YA ALI MADAD -- *IN THE HOLY QUR'AN*
Navali
IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, RAHMAN, RAHIM
001.001 In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
001.002 Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds,
001.003 ar-Rahmanir Rahiim
001.004 Malik Yawmid Diin--
Master of the Day of Judgment,
:
001.005 THEE WE WORSHIP; THEE WE ASK FOR HELP.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^...
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What does the above mean according to the Holy Qur'an only?
017.078 Establish WORSHIP at the going down of the sun until the dark of
night, and ^^^^^^^^^^^^ (the recital of) the QUR'AN at dawn. Lo! (the
recital of) the QUR'AN at dawn is ever witnessed. 017.079 And some PART OF
^^^^^^^^^^ THE NIGHT awake for it, a largess for thee. It may be that thy
Lord will raise thee to a praised estate.
017.080 And say: My Lord! .... AND GIVE ME
FROM THY PRESENCE A POWERFUL HELPER
-- WAJ-ALII MILLADUNKA SULTAANAN NASIIRAA
017.081 And say: TRUTH hath come and falsehood hath vanished away. Lo!
FALSEHOOD is ever bound to vanish. 017.082 And We reveal of the QUR'AN that
which is a healing and a mercy for believers though it increase the
evil-doers in naught save ruin.
004.075 How should ye not fight for the cause of Allah ..... men and
of the women and the children who are crying: OUR LORD! ...
OH, GIVE US FROM THY PRESENCE SOME PROTECTING FRIEND! OH, GIVE US FROM THY
PRESENCE SOME DEFENDER! ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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http://www.imamali.8m.com/english/
This is the very reason why the Prophet (P.B.U.H.) said: "This Ali, is my
borther and successor listen and lend ears to what he
says and obey his orders. " When Ali (A.S.) entered from his early youth
into the phase of puberty, the part of age when all the
human energies and powers are strong and firm, even in this part of the life
he remained closely associated to the Prophet
(P.B.U.H.) like a flying moth which moves around the candle. He defended
Islam and the Prophet (P.B.U.H.) with his strong,
energetic arms. When the enemy besieged and surrounded the Muslims in the
battle of Hunain and they abondoned and left
behind the Prophet (P.B.U.H.) runing away for their lives, it was only and
only Ali (A.S.) who defended and saved the Prophet
(P.B.U.H.) and made the enemies retreat and take their heals. Ali (A.S.)
killed Marhab the chilef of army of Jews in the
Khyber battle, whose power and bravery was making everybody tremble but Ali
(A.S.) cut him into two and pulled apart the
gate of the Khyber fort which used to be opened and closed by twenty men
together. Ali (A.S.) used it as a bridge over the
trench for the Islamic army to cross over to the Khyber fort. Many such
events are the specimens and evidences about the
faith, and spirit of selt sacrifice and devotion of Ali (A.S.).
Self Sacrifice and Devotion
There is no doubt to it that every body loves his soul and very rarely gets
ready to sacrifice it for another person but because of the fact that Ali
(A.S.) loved the soul of the Prophet (P.B.U.H.) even more than his own one,
he got prepared to lay his life for him. The event takes shape like this.
When the polytheists saw that they are in danger, they jointly made a firm
determination to take the Prophet (P.B.U.H.) by surprise and martyr him. So
all of them gathered in "Dar un Nadva" and choose one person from each
family so that every tribe gets involved in getting Mohammad (P.B.U.H.)
killed and then no one could take the revenge of him. The Prophet (P.B.U.H.)
had come to know about this conspiracy through revelation. God ordered him
(P.B.U.H.) to migrate from Mecca in the darkness of the night. The Prophet
(P.B.U.H.) needed someone, prepared to sacrifice his life and must be a
trustworthy secret holder.
Hence, there was no one else except Ali (A.S.) in whom he confided, and told
him "God has informed me that the infidels will break through the house to
kill me so today you sleep on my bed." Ali (A.S.) smilingly accepted it.
Then the time came when the darkness of the night covered everything and Ali
(A.S.) was sleeping on the Prophet愀 (P.B.U.H.) came out of his house and
started proceeeding towards the Cave of Saur. The infidels besiegen the
house and got prepared to make it, they break through the house rushing with
naked swords. But when theyfound Ali (A.S.) laying on the bed of the Prophet
(P.B.U.H.) they immidiately moved out of the house desperate and astonished,
and sent a few horsemen to search the prophet ( P.B.U.H.) But not very long
afterwards they too returned defeated and hopeless.
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NAVALI: SHALLOW KNOWLEDGE IS DANGEROUS BUT IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE!!!!!
In article <rtlr8h...@corp.supernews.com>,
"American_Muslim" <America...@spamfree.com> wrote:
> Laurence Galian wrote in message <37DA86AF...@systec.com>...
>
> Anyone who uses "Ya Ali Madad!" in the title of his posting
> has a serious problem with his faith! I suggest you repent
> from this act of shirk and disbelief.
>
>
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Lakum Diinukum--Unto you your Religion
WA LIYA DIIN--AND UNTO ME MY RELIGION
Kaafiruun--Disbelievers - Surah 109:6
Navali
YA ALI MADAD!
IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, RAHMAN, RAHIM
001.001 In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
001.002 Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds,
001.003 ar-Rahmanir Rahiim
001.004 Malik Yawmid Diin--
Master of the Day of Judgment,
:
001.005 THEE WE WORSHIP; THEE WE ASK FOR HELP.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
001.006 Guide us the Right Path--SIRATAAL MUSTAQIIM
001.007 The Path of Those -- SIRATAAL-LAZIINA
...
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What does the above mean according to the Holy Qur'an only:
002.027 Those who break the covenant of ALLAH
after ratifying it, AND SEVER THAT-MAA-HE
WHO -- WHICH ALLAH __ORDERED TO BE
JOINED__ UNTO HIM--BIHII,
and make mischief in the earth: Those
are they who are the losers.
[ref. 5:67;13:19-25]
002.185 The month of RAMADAN in which was revealed the
1. QUR'AN, A GUIDANCE for mankind,
2. AND MANIFEST PROOFS OF THE GUIDANCE,
3. and the FURQAAN.
003.019 Lo! religion with ALLAH ISLAM. Those who received
the Scripture differed only ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ after knowledge came unto them,
through transgression among themselves. Whoso disbelieveth the REVELATIONS
of ALLAH. Lo! ALLAH is swift at reckoning.
002.151 Even as We have sent unto you a
1. MESSENGER from among you, who reciteth unto you
2, OUR REVELATIONS
3. and PURIFIES YOU,
4. and teacheth you the SCRIPTURE
5. and WISDOM,
6. and teacheth YOU THAT WHICH YE KNEW NOT.
003.164 ALLAH verily hath shown grace to the believers
by sending unto them
1, a messenger of their own
who reciteth unto them
2. His REVELATIONS,
3. and purifies then
4, and teacheth them the Scripture
5. and wisdom;
6. although before they were in error
MANIFEST--MUBIIN.
AltWay
wrote:
This is the very reason why the Prophet (P.B.U.H.) said: "This Ali, is my
borther and successor listen and lend ears to what he
says and obey his orders. " When Ali (A.S.) entered from his early youth
into the phase of puberty, the part of age when all the
human energies and powers are strong and firm, even in this part of the
life he remained closely associated to the Prophet
(P.B.U.H.) like a flying moth which moves around the candle. He defended
Islam and the Prophet (P.B.U.H.) with his strong,
Comment :-
Yes Ali was a good, saintly and brace man.
Wherein does it say that he was a god or even a prophet?
Where does it say in the Quran we must worship anything apart from Allah?
What do the words "islam" and "muslim" mean? Do they mean something other
than "submission to Allah."?
But do not bother answering. Muslims already know the answer.
H.S.Aziz
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Hajar
What translation of the Quran do you use?
WaSalaam, Hajar
American_Muslim
in lieu of Allah(SWT). Ali(RA) was a great Sahaba(RA), but he is a
dead person: he can not even help himself, let alone others.
"'Nor call on any, other than Allah;- Such will neither profit thee nor hurt
thee: if thou dost, behold! thou shalt certainly be of those who do wrong.'"
(10.106)
It was not We that wronged them: They wronged their own souls: the deities,
other than Allah, whom they invoked, profited them no whit when there issued
the decree of thy Lord: Nor did they add aught (to their lot) but perdition!
(11.101)
Say: "Think ye to yourselves, if there come upon you the wrath of Allah, or
the Hour (that ye dread), would ye then call upon other than Allah?- (reply)
if ye are truthful! (6.40)
Behold! verily to Allah belong all creatures, in the heavens and on earth.
What do they follow who worship as His "partners" other than Allah? They
follow nothing but fancy, and they do nothing but lie.
(10.66)
We gave strength to their hearts: Behold, they stood up and said: "Our Lord
is the Lord of the heavens and of the earth: never shall we call upon any
god other than Him: if we did, we should indeed have uttered an enormity!
(18.14)
O men! Call to mind the grace of Allah unto you! is there a creator, other
than Allah, to give you sustenance from heaven or earth? There is no god but
He: how then are ye deluded away from the Truth? (35.3)
American_Muslim
>With all due respect, it is very convencong to close your eyes and say:
Shia
>worship Ali. Read "Then I was Guided" By Dr. Tijaani.
I have a copy of the book: it is written with the same eye as the books
written by some Christian missionaries. It is truly worthless and a childish
attempt at misguiding the naive and the unlearned.
>People should dare to question what they are taught!
Try reading Quran!
Navali
pages (from Allah).
075.017 Lo! upon Us (resteth) the putting together thereof and the
reading thereof.
075.018 And when We read it, follow thou the reading;
075.019 Then lo! upon Us (resteth) the explanation thereof.
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you said among other hings:
;> What do the words "islam" and "muslim" mean? Do they mean something
other
;> than "submission to Allah."?
;>
;> But do not bother answering. Muslims already know the answer.
----
Are you a MUSLIM? if you are and know the answer then why bother to ask
and make a fool of yourself?
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AltWay wrote:
>
> In article <7ri7p7$jip$1...@iceman.tac.net>, "Navali" <nav...@cybersurf.com>
> wrote:
> This is the very reason why the Prophet (P.B.U.H.) said: "This Ali, is my
> borther and successor
> Comment :-
>
> Yes Ali was a good, saintly and brace man.
>
> Wherein does it say that he was a god or even a prophet?
> Where does it say in the Quran we must worship anything apart from Allah?
>
> What do the words "islam" and "muslim" mean? Do they mean something other
> than "submission to Allah."?
>
> But do not bother answering. Muslims already know the answer.
>
> H.S.Aziz
> --------
Navali
023.068 Have they not PONDERED THE WORD, or hath that come unto them which
came not unto their fathers of old ?
038.029 (This is) a Scripture that We have revealed unto thee, full of
blessing, that they may PONDER ITS REVELATIONS, and that men of
understanding may reflect.
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Hajar <haj...@home.com> wrote in message news:37DD1AA8...@home.com...
: Salaam alaikum,
Navali
IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, RAHMAN, RAHIM
001.001 In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
001.002 Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds,
001.003 ar-Rahmanir Rahiim
001.004 Malik Yawmid Diin--
Master of the Day of Judgment,
:
001.005 THEE WE WORSHIP; THEE WE ASK FOR HELP.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^...
---------
What does the above mean according to the Holy Qur'an only?
017.078 Establish WORSHIP at the going down of the sun until the dark of
night, and ^^^^^^^^^^^^ (the recital of) the QUR'AN at dawn. Lo! ( the
recital of) the QUR'AN at dawn is ever witnessed. 017.079 And ome PART OF
^^^^^^^^^^ THE NIGHT awake for it, a largess for thee. It may be that thy
Lord will raise thee to a praised estate.
017.080 And say: My Lord! .... AND GIVE ME
FROM THY PRESENCE A POWERFUL HELPER
-- WAJ-ALII MILLADUNKA SULTAANAN NASIIRAA
017.081 And say: TRUTH hath come and falsehood hath vanished away. Lo!
FALSEHOOD is ever bound to vanish. 017.082 And We reveal of the QUR'AN that
which is a healing and a mercy for believers though it increase the
evil-doers in naught save ruin.
004.075 How should ye not fight for the cause of Allah ..... men and
of the women and the children who are crying: OUR LORD! ...
OH, GIVE US FROM THY PRESENCE SOME
PROTECTING FRIEND! OH, GIVE US FROM THY
PRESENCE SOME DEFENDER! ^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Waht does the above mean??
http://www.sabr.com/quran/maududi/i033.htm
33. Ahzab
Syed Abu-Ala' Maududi's Chapter Introductions to the Quran
Raid on Bani Quraizah
When the Holy Prophet returned from the Trench Gabriel came to him in the
early afternoon with the Divine Command the the Muslims should not lay aside
the arms yet but should deal with the Bani Quraizah as well. On receipt of
this Command the Holy Prophet got announced: Everyone who is steadfast in
obedience should not offer his Asr Prayer till he reahes the locality of the
Bani Quraizah." Immediately after this he despatched Hadrat Ali with a
contingent of soldiers as vanguard towards the Quraizah. When they reached
there the Jews climbed on to their roof tops and started hurling abuses on
the Holy Prophet and the Muslims but their invectives could not save them
from the consequences of their treachery. They had committed breach of the
treaty right at the most critical moment of the war joined hands with the
invaders and endangered the entire population of
Madinah. When they saw the contingent of Hadrat Ali they thought that they
had come only to overawe them. But when the whole Islamic army arrived under
the command of the Holy Prophet himself and laid siege to their quarters
they were very frightened. They could not stand the severity of the siege
for more than two or three weeks. At last they surrendered themselves to the
Holy Prophet on the condition that they would accept whatever decision
Hadrat Sad bin Muadh the chief of the Aus would give. They had accepted
Hadrat Sad as their judge because in the pre-Islamic days the Aus and the
Quraizah had been
confederates and they hoped that in view of the past ties he would help them
quit Madinah as had happened in the case of the Bani Qainuqa and the Bani
an-Nadir before. The people of the Aus themselves wished that Hadrat Sad
treat their previous allies leniently. But Hadrat Sad had just experienced
and seen how the two Jewish tribes who had been allowed to leave Madinah
previously had instigated the other tribes living around Madinah and
summoned the united front of ten to twelve thousand men against the Muslims.
He was also aware how treacherously this last Jewish tribe had behaved right
on the occasion when the city was under attack from outside and threatened
the safety of the whole of its population. Therefore he
decreed that all the male members of the Quraizah should be put to death
their women and children taken prisoners and their properties distributed
among the Muslims. The sentence was carried out duly. When the Muslims
entered their strongholds they found that the treacherous people had
collected 1 500 swords 300 coats of mail 2 000 spears and 1 500 shields in
order to join the war. If Allah's succour had not reached the Muslims all
this military equipment would have been used to attack Madinah from the rear
right at the time when the polytheists were making preparations for a
general assault on the Muslims after crossing the Trench. After this
disclosure there remained no doubt that the decision of Hadrat Sad
concerning those
people was absolutely correct.
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Navali
YA ALI MADAD
IN THE NAME OF ALLAH, RAHMAN, RAHIM
001.001 In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.
001.002 Praise be to Allah, Lord of the Worlds,
001.003 ar-Rahmanir Rahiim
001.004 Malik Yawmid Diin--
Master of the Day of Judgment,
:
001.005 THEE WE WORSHIP; THEE WE ASK FOR HELP.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^...
---------
What does the above mean according to the Holy Qur'an only?
017.078 Establish WORSHIP at the going down of the sun until the dark of
night, and ^^^^^^^^^^^^ (the recital of) the QUR'AN at dawn. Lo! ( the
recital of) the QUR'AN at dawn is ever witnessed. 017.079 And ome PART OF
^^^^^^^^^^ THE NIGHT awake for it, a largess for thee. It may be that thy
Lord will raise thee to a praised estate.
017.080 And say: My Lord! .... AND GIVE ME
FROM THY PRESENCE A POWERFUL HELPER
-- WAJ-ALII MILLADUNKA SULTAANAN NASIIRAA
017.081 And say: TRUTH hath come and falsehood hath vanished away. Lo!
FALSEHOOD is ever bound to vanish. 017.082 And We reveal of the QUR'AN that
which is a healing and a mercy for believers though it increase the
evil-doers in naught save ruin.
004.075 How should ye not fight for the cause of Allah ..... men and
of the women and the children who are crying: OUR LORD! ...
OH, GIVE US FROM THY PRESENCE SOME
PROTECTING FRIEND! OH, GIVE US FROM THY
PRESENCE SOME DEFENDER! ^^^^^^^^^^^^
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What does the above mean?? Let ISLAMIC HISTORY speak for itself
Naadey Ali! Nade Ali!
Naadey Aliyyan
Mazharal Ajayeb
Tajidahu Aunun Laka Finnwaeb
Kullu Hamin wa Gamin Sayanjali
Bi Wilayatika
Ya Ali! Ya Ali! Ya Ali!
Call Ali! Call Ali!
Call aloud to Ali
Who is the epiphanic source of wonders
You shall surely find him helping in your troubles
All grief and anxiety will disappear
By Your power and Authority!
O Ali! O Ali! O Ali!
"Hazrat Ali was never defeated in a war or a combat throughout his
life. His physical strength was beyond human comprehension. He removed from
the hinges the strong doors of the Khyber fort with a single jolt of his
hand. Later, seven strong men with Abu Ra'fe', the famous strongman, could
not lift even an inch from the ground one of the corners of the door. When
asked about his wonderful display of strength, in removing the doors, Hazrat
Ali replied that it was his divine power." (Sayyidul Ausiya, p. 65)
"Ali, Son of Abu Talib, Son-in-Law and first cousin of Prophet
Mohammad (Peace be upon him), father of Imam Hasan and the greatest Martyr
Imam Husain, the Lion of God, Gateway of Knowledge, the mightiest of
mighty; does not need an introduction, He was at the same time master of
the Pen and Sword -- a rare combination. Even today in the battle fields the
Cry of "Ya Ali !" resounds, invoking his help. Sportsmen, Wrestlers
and Athletes, taking part in manly games, chant the Slogan of "Ya Ali !"
for their victory. On the other hand, the pious devoted entirely to the
service of God, almost all of them trace the spiritual lineage from Ali
and believe him to be the Fountain Head of all Knowledge." - S.M.A. Rizvi
"Ali is absent today from our midst only physically. His soul even
to this day is the greatest spiritual resort to everyone who seeks the help
of God through his medium. Thousands and thousands of people call out to him
in their difficulties, and the word "Ya Ali Madad", automatically comes to
them. A famous prayer known as "NADEY ALI" (Call Ali) is recited wherever
abound the lovers of Ali." - Majlisi
"Here the garrison came out in great force, and on that day every
attack made by the Muslims was repulsed. "Tomorrow," said the Prophet,
"will I give the standard unto a man whom God and His messenger love. God
will give us the victory by his hands; he is not one who turneth back in
flight."
"In his previous campaigns the Prophet had used relatively small
flags as standards, but to Khaybar he had brought a great black standard
made from a cloak of A'isha's. They called it 'the Eagle', and this he now
gave to Ali." - Martin Lings in his book: "Muhammad - his life based on the
earliest sources"
"Ali was one of the most courageous and able men in the Muslim
army. He was appointed the standard-bearer at the battles of both Badr and
Khaybar. At Khaybar (A.H. 7) the following tradition is related by several
Sunni and Shi'i histories. This is the version found in a Sunni collection
of Traditions, the Sahih of Muslim:
'The Apostle of God said on the day of Khaybar: "I shall certainly
give this banner to a man who loves God and His Apostle and through whom
God will give victory." Umar ibn al-Khattab said: "I never wished
for a leadership except on that day." And he also said: "And so I leapt up
towards it hoping to claim it as a right." And the Apostle of God summoned
Ali, the son of Abu Talib, and gave it to him and said "Go! And do not turn
aside until God gives you victory."
"When the Prophet left to go on his longest expedition, to Tabuk,
Ali was left in charge at Medina. According to some accounts, Ali felt
insulted to be left with the women and children while, according to others,
rumours spread that Ali had been left behind because it was feared he would
bring misfortune to the expedition. In any case, Ali went to the Prophet
voicing his discontent at being left behind. It was at this time,
according to numerous Sunni and Shi'i Traditionists, that the famous Hadith
of Manzilat Harun (position of Aaron) was revealed. According to this
Tradition, Muhammad said to Ali: " Are you not content to be with respect
to me as Aaron was to Moses, except that after me there shall be no other
Prophet." The implication was that Ali was to be Muhammad's chief
assistant in his lifetime and his successor after him." - Moojan Momen's "An
introduction to Shi'i Islam" published by Yale University Press
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AltWay
With all due respect, it is very convencong to close your eyes and say:
Shia worship Ali. Read "Then I was Guided" By Dr. Tijaani
Comment :-
With all due respect, I did not say Shia worship Ali.
I was only speaking about those people, regardless of sect, who do.
H.S.Aziz
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Navali
have done instead of giving us your baseless and worthless personal
opinions for a change? Says the Holy Qur'an:
015.086 Lo! Thy Lord! He is the All-Wise Creator.
015.087 We have given thee seven of the oft-repeated
(verses) and the great Qur'an.
---
Surah Fatihah:
001.005 THEE WE WORSHIP; THEE WE ASK FOR HELP.
..... ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^...
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What does the above mean according to the Holy Qur'an only?
017.078 Establish WORSHIP at the going down of the sun until the dark
of night, and ^^^^^^^^^^^^ (the recital of) the QUR'AN at dawn. Lo! (the
recital of) the QUR'AN at dawn is ever witnessed.
017.079 And ome PART ^^^^^^ OF THE NIGHT awake for it, a largess for
thee. It may be that thy Lord will raise thee to a praised estate.
017.080 And say: My Lord! .... AND GIVE ME
FROM THY PRESENCE A POWERFUL HELPER
-- WAJ-ALII MILLADUNKA SULTAANAN NASIIRAA
017.081 And say: TRUTH hath come and falsehood hath
vanished away. Lo!FALSEHOOD is ever bound to vanish.
017.082 And We reveal of the QUR'AN that which is a
healing and a mercy for believers though it increase
the evil-doers in naught save ruin.
004.075 How should ye not fight for the cause of Allah .....
men and of the women and the children who are crying: OUR LORD! ...
OH, GIVE US FROM THY PRESENCE A WALIYYAN! OH, GIVE US FROM THY
PRESENCE A NASIIRAA! ^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Here is all the evidence you need from the Holy Qur'an:
004.045 AND Allah knoweth best your enemies.
Allah is sufficient as a WALIYYAN,
and Allah is sufficient as a NASIIRAA.
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CARE TO REFUTE THE ABOVE WITH THE HOLY QUR'AN ONLY?
YA ALI MADAD,
NAVALI
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AltWay wrote:
>
> Massoud Ajami wrote in message ...
>
> With all due respect, it is very convencong to close your eyes and say:
> Shia worship Ali. Read "Then I was Guided" By Dr. Tijaani
>
> Comment :-
>
> With all due respect, I did not say Shia worship Ali.
>
> I was only speaking about those people, regardless of sect, who do.
>
> H.S.Aziz
>
> --
> _ -------------
AltWay
wrote:
Why don't you start by explaining the Qur'an by the Qur'an only, as they
have done instead of giving us your baseless and worthless personal
opinions for a change? Says the Holy Qur'an:
Comment :-
Please explain all these verses to us ignorant people.
We can only read what it says there - no doubt the hidden meaning is
accessible only to wise men like you. So share with us your wisdom.
Navali :-
015.086 Lo! Thy Lord! He is the All-Wise Creator.
> 015.087 We have given thee seven of the oft-repeated
> (verses) and the great Qur'an.
> Surah Fatihah:
>
> 001.005 THEE WE WORSHIP; THEE WE ASK FOR HELP.
> What does the above mean according to the Holy Qur'an only?
Comment :-
Let me guess, no doubt you will put me right : Does it mean Ali according to
you?
> 017.078 Establish WORSHIP at the going down of the sun until the dark
> of night, and ^^^^^^^^^^^^ (the recital of) the QUR'AN at dawn. Lo! (the
> recital of) the QUR'AN at dawn is ever witnessed.
> 017.079 And ome PART ^^^^^^ OF THE NIGHT awake for it, a largess for
> thee. It may be that thy Lord will raise thee to a praised estate.
>
> 017.080 And say: My Lord! .... AND GIVE ME
> FROM THY PRESENCE A POWERFUL HELPER
> -- WAJ-ALII MILLADUNKA SULTAANAN NASIIRAA
> 017.081 And say: TRUTH hath come and falsehood hath
> vanished away. Lo!FALSEHOOD is ever bound to vanish.
> 017.082 And We reveal of the QUR'AN that which is a
> healing and a mercy for believers though it increase
> the evil-doers in naught save ruin.
>
> 004.075 How should ye not fight for the cause of Allah .....
> men and of the women and the children who are crying: OUR LORD! ...
> OH, GIVE US FROM THY PRESENCE A WALIYYAN! OH, GIVE US FROM THY
> PRESENCE A NASIIRAA! ^^^^^^^^^^^^
> -------
>
> Here is all the evidence you need from the Holy Qur'an:
>
> 004.045 AND Allah knoweth best your enemies.
> Allah is sufficient as a WALIYYAN,
> and Allah is sufficient as a NASIIRAA.
>
> --------
>
> CARE TO REFUTE THE ABOVE WITH THE HOLY QUR'AN ONLY?
> NAVALI
> ---------
Comment :-
Aha, I see. the syllable "Ali" is part of a word, therefore, the person Ali
is the powerful helper in 17:80 and the protecting friend in 4:75 and 4:45,
and the whole section you have quoted is about Ali.
So whenever these letters appear in an Arabic word it refers to him? Is that
your position?
Let me understand your logic :-
In Quran 4:45 the middle bit where WALIYYAN occurs is translated "..Allah is
sufficient as a PROTECTING FRIEND...".
In Quran 4:75 the bit where WALIYYAN occurs is translated "Our Lord! Bring
us forth from out of this town (Mecca) of which the people are oppressors!
Oh, give us from Thy presence some PROTECTING FRIEND!"
So now in 4:45 the Waliyyan is Allah, and in 4:75 the Waliyyan is someone
from the presence of Allah.
So according to you this must be Ali in both cases because "ali" is part of
the word Waliyyan. Therefore, Ali is Allah. Is this your argument?
If I have got your argument wrong please enlighten me. You see I am trying
hard to understand!
H.S.Aziz
--
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Navali
AltWay wrote:
>
> In article <37DE61A0...@cybersurf.com>, Navali <nav...@cybersurf.com>
> wrote:
>
> Why don't you start by explaining the Qur'an by the Qur'an only, as they
> have done instead of giving us your baseless and worthless personal
> opinions for a change? Says the Holy Qur'an:
>
> Comment :-
> Please explain all these verses to us ignorant people.
> We can only read what it says there - no doubt the hidden meaning is
> accessible only to wise men like you. So share with us your wisdom.
>
> Navali :-
> 015.086 Lo! Thy Lord! He is the All-Wise Creator.
>
> > 015.087 We have given thee seven of the oft-repeated
> > (verses) and the great Qur'an.
>
> > Surah Fatihah:
> >
> > 001.005 THEE WE WORSHIP; THEE WE ASK FOR HELP.
> > What does the above mean according to the Holy Qur'an only?
>
> Comment :-
> Let me guess, no doubt you will put me right : Does it mean Ali according to
> you?
>
> > 017.078 Establish WORSHIP at the going down of the sun until the dark
> > of night, and ^^^^^^^^^^^^ (the recital of) the QUR'AN at dawn. Lo! (the
> > recital of) the QUR'AN at dawn is ever witnessed.
> > 017.079 And ome PART ^^^^^^ OF THE NIGHT awake for it, a largess for
> > thee. It may be that thy Lord will raise thee to a praised estate.
> >
> > 017.080 And say: My Lord! .... AND GIVE ME
> > FROM THY PRESENCE A POWERFUL HELPER
> > -- WAJ-ALII MILLADUNKA SULTAANAN NASIIRAA
>
>
> > 017.081 And say: TRUTH hath come and falsehood hath
> > vanished away. Lo!FALSEHOOD is ever bound to vanish.
> > 017.082 And We reveal of the QUR'AN that which is a
> > healing and a mercy for believers though it increase
> > the evil-doers in naught save ruin.
> >
> > 004.075 How should ye not fight for the cause of Allah .....
> > men and of the women and the children who are crying: OUR LORD! ...
--
Please reply: nav...@cybersurf.net
Navali
he still calls himself a MUSLIM, if such were his views? You are following a
wrong religion for sure!
Regardless, the SHIA FAITH OF ISLAM is based on this fundamental pillar of
the Holy Qur'an -- because had it not been for Hzt. Ali (as) -- Islam would
not have been.
002.154 And call not those who are slain in the way of Allah "dead." Nay,
they are living, only ye perceive not.
003.169 Think not of those, who are slain in the way of Allah, as dead. Nay,
they are living. With their Lord they have provision.
---------
However, did not the Holy Prophet (SAS) pass away physically from this world
as well? If so, then what is Islam minus the Holy Prophet and Messenger of
Allah (SAS)?
And how will you approach Allah without the Holy Prophet (SAS)? Why do you
still believe in a Prophet whom you have NEVER met?
And now please explain the following QUR'ANIC verses -- if they are still
valid today:
004.014 And whoso DISOBEYETH ALLAH and His messenger and transgresseth His
limits, He will make him enter Fire, where he will dwell for ever; his will
be a shameful doom.
008.020 O ye who believe! OBEY ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER,
AND TURN NOT AWAY FROM HIM WHEN YE HEAR (him speak). 008.021 Be not as
those who say, WE HEAR, and they hear not. 008.022 Lo! the worst of beasts
in ALLAH's sight are the deaf, the dumb, who have no sense.
-----------
005.035 O ye who believe! Be mindful of your duty to Allah, AND
SEEK THE WAY OF APPROACH UNTO HIM, and strive in His way in order that ye
may succeed.
006.102 Such is Allah, your Lord. There is no God save Him, the Creator of
all things, so WORSHIP Him. And He taketh care of all things. 006.103
VISION COMPREHENDETH HIM NOT, but He comprehendeth (all) vision. He is the
Subtile, Aware.
006.104 MANIFEST--VISIBLE PROOFS have come unto you from your Lord, so
whoso seeth, it is for his own SOUL, and whoso is BLIND IS BLIND to his own
hurt. And I am not a keeper over you.
-----------
<America...@spamfree.com> writes:
>From: "American_Muslim" <America...@spamfree.com>
>Subject: Re: YA ALI MADAD -- *IN THE HOLY QUR'AN*
>Date: Mon, 13 Sep 1999 22:48:31 -0400
>It is major shirk to take partners with Allah(SWT) and to call on them,
>in lieu of Allah(SWT). Ali(RA) was a great Sahaba(RA), but he is a
>dead person: he can not even help himself, let alone others.
-------------
AltWay
wrote:
DON'T BE STUPID!
Altway Comment :-
Is this the answer to my questions?
Yes I knew you were an intelligent, humble and polite person who had all the
answers and could explain them clearly!!! Otherwise I would not have
bothered asking.
But the above advice does not make sense. If I am stupid how can I not be.
If I am not stupid but only ignorant would it not be an intelligent thing to
do to explain things to me and other readers, patiently? There are millions
of Muslims who would welcome a justifying explanation of Navali's beliefs.
Or is this a secret? If it is a secret why is he telling us about it?
What do readers think. Have I asked ligitimate questions? And has Navali
answered them? I will resubmit his argument and my questions.
-------------------------
Navali :-
015.086 Lo! Thy Lord! He is the All-Wise Creator.
015.087 We have given thee seven of the oft-repeated
(verses) and the great Qur'an.
Surah Fatihah:
001.005 THEE WE WORSHIP; THEE WE ASK FOR HELP.
What does the above mean according to the Holy Qur'an only?
Altway Question :-
Let me guess, no doubt you will put me right : Does it mean Ali
according to you?
Navali :-
017.078 Establish WORSHIP at the going down of the sun until the dark
of night, and ........ (the recital of) the QUR'AN at dawn. Lo!
(the recital of) the QUR'AN at dawn is ever witnessed.
017.079 And ome PART ...... OF THE NIGHT awake for it, a largess for
thee. It may be that thy Lord will raise thee to a praised estate.
017.080 And say: My Lord! .... AND GIVE ME FROM THY PRESENCE A POWERFUL
HELPER -- WAJ-ALII MILLADUNKA SULTAANAN NASIIRAA
017.081 And say: TRUTH hath come and falsehood hath vanished away.
Lo!FALSEHOOD is ever bound to vanish.
017.082 And We reveal of the QUR'AN that which is a healing and a mercy
for believers though it increase the evil-doers in naught save ruin.
004.075 How should ye not fight for the cause of Allah ..... men and of
the women and the children who are crying: OUR LORD! ... OH, GIVE US FROM
THY PRESENCE A WALIYYAN! OH, GIVE US FROM THY PRESENCE A NASIIRAA!
Here is all the evidence you need from the Holy Qur'an:
004.045 AND Allah knoweth best your enemies. Allah is sufficient as a
WALIYYAN, and Allah is sufficient as a NASIIRAA.
CARE TO REFUTE THE ABOVE WITH THE HOLY QUR'AN ONLY?
NAVALI
Altway Question :-
Ah, I see. the syllable "Ali" is part of a word, therefore, the person
AltWay
wrote:
See another Khalifite [Rashad Khalifa's follower] at work here. Wonder why
he still calls himself a MUSLIM, if such were his views? You are following
a wrong religion for sure!
Comment :-
Who are you writing about.
If it is me then you are making false assertions in ignorance.
Does not your faith tell you not to tell lies?
But if you worship other than Allah why do YOU call YOURSELF Muslim.
Navali :-
002.154 And call not those who are slain in the way of Allah "dead." Nay,
they are living, only ye perceive not.
003.169 Think not of those, who are slain in the way of Allah, as dead.
Nay, they are living. With their Lord they have provision.
However, did not the Holy Prophet (SAS) pass away physically from this
world as well? If so, then what is Islam minus the Holy Prophet and
Messenger of Allah (SAS)?
And how will you approach Allah without the Holy Prophet (SAS)? Why do you
still believe in a Prophet whom you have NEVER met?
Comment :-
And did not Ali pass away physically from this world as well.
And where in the Quran does is say that we must worship the Prophet or the
matyrs, dead or living. We already have Christianity in which a martyr god
is worshipped.
"Mohammed is but a Messenger, messengers ( the like of whom) have passed
away before his time; what if he die or is killed, will ye retreat upon your
heels? He who retreats does no harm to Allah at all; but Allah will
recompense the thankful." 3:144
Is Ali more than this?
Navali :-
And now please explain the following QUR'ANIC verses -- if they are still
valid today:
004.014 And whoso DISOBEYETH ALLAH and His messenger and transgresseth His
limits, He will make him enter Fire, where he will dwell for ever; his
will be a shameful doom.
008.020 O ye who believe! OBEY ALLAH AND HIS MESSENGER, AND TURN NOT AWAY
FROM HIM WHEN YE HEAR (him speak). 008.021 Be not as those who say, WE
HEAR, and they hear not. 008.022 Lo! the worst of beasts in ALLAH's sight
are the deaf, the dumb, who have no sense.
.............etc etc etc
Comment :-
We already know how we understand these verses.
None of the verses you quoted or any other in the Quran or Hadith tell us to
worship anyone but Allah, and none tell us that Ali was Allah. And nowhere
does the Prophet Muhammad (saw) tell us these things either. But there are
Christians who say Jesus was a martyr, a god and should be worshipped,
though their scripture does not say this. So are you and your sect a
Christian offshoot or heresy, or answer to Christianity by substituting Ali
for Jesus?
But it is your explanations which I am interested in.
So please enlighten us.
kena...@my-deja.com
SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. REVIEW THE FOLLOWING AGAIN AND TELL ME, HOW
WOULD YOU REACT TO THESE ABSURD NOTIONS that you are trying to
attribute to me?
If you want answers to your questions then LEARN to ask them and also
respect the beliefs of others, regardless. And please don't try to
mislead other Muslims through your false piety or incite something here
because that is your usual practice. Your record speaks for itself.
YOU wrote:
>>
Altway Question :-
Ah, I see. the syllable "Ali" is part of a word, therefore, the person
Ali is the powerful helper in 17:80 and the protecting friend in 4:75
and 4:45, and the whole section you have quoted is about Ali.
So whenever these letters appear in an Arabic word it refers to him? Is
that your position?
Let me understand your logic :-
In Quran 4:45 the middle bit where WALIYYAN occurs is translated
"..Allah is sufficient as a PROTECTING FRIEND...".
In Quran 4:75 the bit where WALIYYAN occurs is translated "Our Lord!
Bring us forth from out of this town (Mecca) of which the people are
oppressors! Oh, give us from Thy presence some PROTECTING FRIEND!"
So now in 4:45 the Waliyyan is Allah, and in 4:75 the Waliyyan is
someone from the presence of Allah.
So according to you this must be Ali in both cases because "ali" is
part of the word Waliyyan. Therefore, Ali is Allah. Is this your
argument?
If I have got your argument wrong please enlighten me. You see I am
trying hard to understand!
H.S.Aziz
>>
NOW THIS IS BEING STUPID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
--------------
In article <na.b4d8d7494...@argonet.co.uk>,
> 001.005 THEE WE WORSHIP; THEE WE ASK FOR HELP.
> What does the above mean according to the Holy Qur'an only?
>
> Altway Question :-
> Let me guess, no doubt you will put me right : Does it mean Ali
> according to you?
>
> Navali :-
> 017.078 Establish WORSHIP at the going down of the sun until the
dark
> of night, and ........ (the recital of) the QUR'AN at dawn. Lo!
> (the recital of) the QUR'AN at dawn is ever witnessed.
> 017.079 And ome PART ...... OF THE NIGHT awake for it, a largess for
> thee. It may be that thy Lord will raise thee to a praised estate.
>
> 017.080 And say: My Lord! .... AND GIVE ME FROM THY PRESENCE A
POWERFUL
> HELPER -- WAJ-ALII MILLADUNKA SULTAANAN NASIIRAA
>
> 017.081 And say: TRUTH hath come and falsehood hath vanished away.
> Lo!FALSEHOOD is ever bound to vanish.
> 017.082 And We reveal of the QUR'AN that which is a healing and a
mercy
> for believers though it increase the evil-doers in naught save
ruin.
>
> 004.075 How should ye not fight for the cause of Allah ..... men and
of
> the women and the children who are crying: OUR LORD! ... OH, GIVE US
FROM
--
Navali
Lakum Diinukum--Unto you your Religion
WA LIYA DIIN--AND UNTO ME MY RELIGION
Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
Share what you know. Learn what you don't.
kena...@my-deja.com
fits, who am i to say otherwise?
>>
Subject: Re: YA ALI MADAD -- *IN THE HOLY QUR'AN*
Author: American_Muslim
<America...@spamfree.com>
It is major shirk to take partners with Allah(SWT) and to call on them,
in lieu of Allah(SWT). Ali(RA) was a great Sahaba(RA), but he is a
dead person: he can not even help himself, let alone others.
"'Nor call on any, other than Allah;- Such will neither profit thee
nor hurt thee: if thou dost, behold! thou shalt certainly be of those
who do wrong.'" (10.106)
[SNIP]
>>
--------
In article <na.3fdb1c494...@argonet.co.uk>,
AltWay <ha...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> In article <7rmc1a$gc7$1...@iceman.tac.net>, "Navali"
<nav...@cybersurf.com>
> wrote:
>
> See another Khalifite [Rashad Khalifa's follower] at work here.
Wonder why
> he still calls himself a MUSLIM, if such were his views? You are
following
> a wrong religion for sure!
>
NAVALI: VERSES AND CONTEXT IGNORED BY ALTWAY:
002.154 And call not those who are slain in the way of Allah "dead."
Nay, they are living, only ye perceive not.
003.169 Think not of those, who are slain in the way of Allah, as dead.
Nay, they are living. With their Lord they have provision.
-----------
they are living, only ye perceive not.
Nay, they are living.
--------
> altway Comment :-
> Who are you writing about.
> If it is me then you are making false assertions in ignorance.
> Does not your faith tell you not to tell lies?
>
> But if you worship other than Allah why do YOU call YOURSELF Muslim.
>
>
[DELETED]
--
NAVALI: NOTE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
In article <na.3fdb1c494...@argonet.co.uk>,
AltWay <ha...@argonet.co.uk> wrote:
> Comment :-
> Who are you writing about.
> If it is me then you are making false assertions in ignorance.
> Does not your faith tell you not to tell lies?
>
> But if you worship other than Allah why do YOU call YOURSELF Muslim.
>
> Navali :-
> 002.154 And call not those who are slain in the way of Allah "dead."
Nay,
> they are living, only ye perceive not.
>
> 003.169 Think not of those, who are slain in the way of Allah, as
dead.
> Nay, they are living. With their Lord they have provision.
>
--------------
>
> ALTWAY Comment :-
> And did not Ali pass away physically from this world as well.
------
NAVALI: Arguing falsely comes naturally to you. What do you expect me to
say after Allah has rendered His on VERDICT on the matter which you
cannot and will not ACCEPT? And still, you call yourself a MUSLIM? gimme
a break!!!!!!!
002.154 And call not those who are slain in the way of Allah "dead."
Nay, they are living, only ye perceive not.
003.169 Think not of those, who are slain in the way of Allah, as dead.
Nay, they are living. With their Lord they have provision.
-----------
1. they are living, only ye perceive not.
2. Nay, they are living.
[FALSE ARGUMENTS -- DELETED]
--
Navali
Lakum Diinukum--Unto you your Religion
WA LIYA DIIN--AND UNTO ME MY RELIGION
AltWay
PLEASE DON'T BE STUPID OR PLAY A DOUBLE GAME HERE. YOUR ULTERIOR MOTIVES
SPEAK LOUDER THAN WORDS. REVIEW THE FOLLOWING AGAIN AND TELL ME, HOW
WOULD YOU REACT TO THESE ABSURD NOTIONS that you are trying to
attribute to me?
Comment :-
I know how I would react to these notions, and I expect others to react to
them in the same way.
But this reaction is the only one I can have from the explanation you gave.
That is why I posted them twice. I thought you would have realised this!!!
I was hoping that you would show me some other way of interpreting what you
said for not only my enlightenment but that of others.
Would I have bothered continuing to write otherwise?
But either you have no other explanation or you do not want to give it to
us. Why then continue to write.
But note that I do not use abusive words about you.
Navali :-
> If you want answers to your questions then LEARN to ask them and also
> respect the beliefs of others, regardless. And please don't try to
> mislead other Muslims through your false piety or incite something here
> because that is your usual practice. Your record speaks for itself.
Comment :-
How can I respect your beliefs if I do not know what they are and you will
not answer my questions.
I have heard several versions :- From one point of view you appear to be a
worshipper of Ali as Christians are of Jesus. From another point of view Ali
is said to be an attribute of Allah. I cannot find this in the Quran. But
even if it is, why is concentrate attention on just one attribute? According
to another you take Ali to be a Prophet. According to still another you
think that Ali is still alive in spirit and believe that it is his spirit
which is pervading your sect. And so on.
Do you refuse to answer because you think you have been insulted? You are
letting personal matters intefere with what might enlighten many.
If I am correct in my provisional assumption about which I am asking the
question, then it is you who are insulting Islam which requires worship of
Allah exclusively. I am trying to repel such insults whether you believe it
or not. If you worship something other than Allah then call yourself
something else - Alites, for instance.
But if you cannot or do not wish to answer then please say so and cease
writing about this subject. I will then cease writing about this subject
too.
AltWay
DELETE_Mas...@sdsu.edu (Massoud Ajami) wrote:
Regarding :- So are you and your sect a Christian offshoot or heresy, or
answer to Christianity by substituting Ali for Jesus?
So what if he does! Why one is so deeply commited to blast on one who says
such a thing -- mention the name Ali -- while MO(ron) et al goes free?
Isn't down deep the hate for Ali that make peole do that? Or down deep the
respect that he (Ali) gets, even Moawiyeh ordered insults on "manbars" for
him and his family for 30 years?
Comment :-
You are mistaking my intentions.
Mo and others are openly anti-muslim and usually write obvious rubbish. It
is not worth replying to them. More damage can be done by the more subtle
and cunning.
Navali preaches his ideas on this site making himself out to be a Muslim.
This may or may not be very deceptive - even Satan poses as a muslim. His
ideas seem heretical to me, but I want clarification, so that all can see
what they are. I do not get this from him though I use all kinds of tactics
to try and get him to respond intelligently.
Once he has told us what he really believes and wants to propogate, I will
leave him alone.
I have no hate for Ali. Why should I? Have I not said that he was a good,
pious, wise and courageous person, one of the foremost? Why else would the
Prophet (saw) honour him?
MOHAMMED HANIF
far to easily to an exchange of abuse but I do have a few questions to ask
Navali and any other Shia reading this.
What exactly is your belief about Sayyidna Ali, may Allah enoble his
countenance? Do you believe that Allah allows muslims to worship Ali. Do you
belive Ali is a manifestation of Allah?
I ask these questions because I am confused about what you believe and can't
work it out from your emails.
Also, Massoud Ajami seems to think that non-Shia's somehow become enraged
when the blessed name of Sayyidna Ali is mentioned. What you do not seem to
understand is that any muslim with a jot of iman loves Ali more than his own
life and we are jealous that his legacy and name are not defamed by people
who claim him in their shirk.
How many Shia's name their children Abu Bakr or Umar or Uthman? I know many
Sunni Muslims named after Sayyidna Ali. Why are Shias enraged with the
companions of the Blessed Prophet, peace be upon him?
Sayyidna Ali was a lion: the lion raws and all the mice run for their lives.
What has the lion to do with concealment and political expedience. By Allah,
you claim to follow him but how little you understand the greatness of this
man!
Navali
and/or beyond your comprehension then tough luck! don't expect me to spoon
feed you anymore especially, after you have already made up your mind about
what Islam should/n't BE.
let Allah judge between us. no one has given you a right to do His Work for
Him:
109.000 The Unbelievers
--------------------------------------------------
109.001 Say: O disbelievers!
109.002 I worship not that which ye worship;
109.003 Nor worship ye that which I worship.
109.004 And I shall not worship that which ye worship.
109.005 Nor will ye worship that which I worship.
109.006 Unto you your religion, and unto me my religion.
----------
Lakum Diinukum--Unto you your Religion
WA LIYA DIIN--AND UNTO ME MY RELIGION
Hajar
The majority Shia, Shia Ithna Asheri(12 Imam Shia)do not believe that
Imam Ali(AS) is Allah(SWT) or is in any way equal to Him. We also do
not believe that Allah allows Muslims to worship anyone other than Allah
Himself (SWT). I can not speak for any other Shia groups as I don't
know what they believe in this respect.
WaSalaam, Hajar
MOHAMMED HANIF
Massoud Ajami wrote in message ...
>In article <7rqrmv$jd7$1...@lure.pipex.net>
>
>Good Morning,
>
>And about the Shia (Imammiyeh) and them being enraged of few Sahabehs, is
>because it was the Abu Baker who denied the daughter of prophet her right;
>it was Omar who slapped the daughter of prophet, and it was for their
>political gain who put fire on Fatima's house and broke her ribs and caused
>her miscarage. Who would you know today, who would get the same treatment
>and yet name their children after them. For the love of Prophet, we don't!
>
>Ali is praised by friends and foes!
>
>
>--
>Peace and Prosperity!
> ---==< 110 >==---
Thank you for your civil reply. I say this bcos of my experience of ng's
(based on a few emails to alt.atheism) is to expect to be (deliberately ?)
misunderstood and receive abuse.
I do not wish to argue about the historcal evidence for your claims about
the actions of Hazrat Abu Bakr and Hazrat Umar, may Allah be pleased with
them, because I frankly am not qualified to debate on this point bcos who am
I to judge between Sunni/Shia claims and their interpretations of texts and
reports. Perhaps, when i have understood Imam Razi's "The Defence Against
Disaster" I might be in a position to do so.
My comment is that from what i have read Shia's believe that all apart from
a handful of the companions of the prophet became apostates after the death
of the Prophet, peace be upon him.
I find this morally and psychologically untenable and a slur on the ability
of the Prophet to transform the lives of his followers. I simply find it
impossible to believe that people who were his followers when there was no
advantage in following, but who suffered immense hardship, the abuse of
their tribe, who left everything to follow him in the hijra, who fought for
him aginst their own parents, brothers and friends, and showed all the signs
of being sincere for over twenty years COULD ALL HAVE ABANDONED THEIR FAITH
ONCE THE PROPHET DIED BECAUSE OF POLITICAL ADVANTAGE OR THEIR HATE OF
SAYYIDNA ALI.
If you can believe this mass apostacy, then what does this say about the
Prophet in choosing his followers and in training them. Was Sayyidna Jafar
as-Sadiq better than his forefather in this respect?
Perhaps, I could believe something like this of those Qurashites who
reluctantly became Muslims after the conquest of Makka but not of such noble
personages as the initmate companions of the Prophet who were of his earlist
followers and who were honoured by Allah and His Prophet in life and in
death.
If all things have a purpose, what is the purpose of allowing Abu Bakr and
~Umar to be buried alongside their blessed son-in-law? EXCEPT TO HONOUR THEM
AND TO GIVE THEM THE STATION IN DEATH THAT THEY HAD IN LIFE.
If they became apostates, then there is no hope for the rest of us AND ISLAM
IS A FAILURE.
Secondly, there is no unequivocal statement in the Quran supporting the
Shiite claim that Sayyidna Ali was to be the successor of the Prophet.
Considering that Shias claim that belief in the imamate of Ali is
fundemental to Islam, one would expect it to be mentioned in the Quran.
In all the translations that i have read I have not read an aayah that
unequivocally (or even equivocally) names Sayyidna Ali as the successor to
the Prophet, peace be upon him. If there is, please supply it as you would
have found a convert.
Please, this is a sincere question as I want to know what you have to say
about this.
May Allah increase you and me in guidance and treu knowledge of faith,
Hanif
Navali
Salaam,
Navali
---------------
>>
as-salaamu 'alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakaatuhu!
I am sending both of you Bcc copies because my posts have been being
blocked from Deja.com by an unknown enemy. Please forgive me for any
inconvenience in this.
AltWay wrote:
Massou...@sdsu.edu (Massoud Ajami) wrote:
(Regarding :- So are you and your sect a Christian
offshoot or heresy, or answer to Christianity by
substituting Ali for Jesus?)
So what if he does! Why one is so deeply commited to
blast on one who says such a thing -- mention the name Ali --
while MO(ron) et al goes free?
[paranoid comments snipped]
[Altway's] Comment :
Mo and others are openly anti-muslim and usually write
obvious rubbish. It is not worth replying to them. More
damage can be done by the more subtle and cunning.
Who ALLAH guides, no one can mislead him. What "damage" do you
mean?
Navali preaches his ideas on this site making himself out
to be a Muslim. This may or may not be very deceptive -
even Satan poses as a muslim. His ideas seem heretical to
me, but I want clarification, so that all can see what they are.
I do not get this from him though I use all kinds of tactics to try
and get him to respond intelligently.
His "ideas" are what you have not been able to elicit. Thus how can
you conclude that they "seem" heretical? And should they be, what muslim is
in need of your protection from them? I believe most muslims on guidance
from ALLAH can detect heretical doctrines quite readily, certainly those who
are only minimally on guidance from ALLAH detect heresies and apostacies all
the time in just about everyone they meet, or so one would surmise from what
young, intolerant muslims say these days.
Even in the case of a concerted ideological attack coming from a
known party, it is often better to wait before reacting, to determine what
might lie behind the apparent attack -- which may be a feint or a
distraction. Assuming only for the sake of argument that Navali is as you
imagine him to be, it is also the case that he has been much more expressive
of late, while for years he has been characteristically very closed, posting
long tracts dealing with catholic heresies and biblical matters and not that
often muslim doctrines. Continuing this paranoid fantasy, as a member of an
initiatory order perhaps he has received marching orders -- do you think it
wise to move before you see (1) where he is going, and (2) why someone has
sent him there?
Once he has told us what he really believes and
wants to propogate, I will leave him alone.
Navali is a follower of the Aga Khan, an Isma'ili Shi'ah muslim. It
is an initiatory order, and what the adherents believe is not generally
expressed other than to initiates in their ascending degrees. This accords
with the doctrine of taqiyyah (spelling?), which requires a muslim to
conceal his beliefs when expression would result in some proximate harm.
Even were Navali's beliefs susceptible to rational explication and were he
sufficiently articulate to express his beliefs according to your
understanding -- and I do not suggest in either case the contrary -- it is
entirely possible and indeed probable that he would be constrained from
doing so outside the initiatory structure.
This is NOT in principle contrary to DEENALLAHI ISLAM, we are explicitly
instructed by ALLAH ta'ala in His Book to "conspire to do good." Affairs
are to be rendered to their people, not everything to everybody, and every
House of faith -- including Islam -- includes initiatory orders whose
members do not disclose all that they know. The Isma'ili are merely another
such order, there are many that are not at all as visible. I am not aware
of their blood having been made lawful, and am not myself interested in
rendering any such determination against anyone who pronounces the shahadah.
The enemies of ALLAH among us serve His purposes, and hypocrisy itself is
not capital, but only specified acts invoke retributions.
I have no hate for Ali. Why should I? Have I not said that he was a good,
pious, wise and courageous person, one of the foremost? Why else would the
Prophet (saw) honour him?
This is pretty much the point. Certainly there are those who
excessively exalt both 'Ali radi ALLAHU anhu and Rasulullah sallallahu
'alaihi was-sallam, in varying degree. I personally am somewhat more
concerned with the specific groups about whom we were explicitly warned --
those who say "Qur'an only" and abandon or denigrate the examples of
Rasulullah sallallahu 'alaihi was-sallam and the Sahaba radi ALLAHU anhum
ajma'een; the followers of false prophets like the Bab (#26), Baha'ullah
(#27), Ghulam Ahmad of Qadian (#28), Noble Drew 'Ali (#29), and Elijah
Muhammad (#30); and those who revile the Sahaba radi ALLAHU anhum ajma'een.
I do not believe that Navali is among them.
H.S.Aziz
was-salaam,
abujamal
>>
Navali
Massoud Ajami
Subject: Ghadir Khum (Part 2 of 3)
Date: 27 May 1994 04:43:29 -0400
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On the Memory of Ghadir Khum
Part 2 of 3
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The Meaning Wali, Mawla, and Wilayah
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Putting Ibn Taymiyyah aside, no Muslim scholar could cast any doubt in the
documentation of the Tradition of Ghadir Khum, for it is the greatest
parallel (Mutawatir) report in the history of Islam. (Please see Part III
for the evidences in this regard). A Mutawatir report is a report which has
been narrated unbrokenly and independently by so many people so that no
doubt can be entertained about their authenticity. Even the students of Ibn
Taymiyyah such as al-Dhahabi and Ibn Kathir left him alone in this issue.
However some people did try to interpret the tradition in a different way.
They particularly tried to translate the words WALI (guardian), MAWLA
(leader), and WILAYAH (leadership/guardianship) as friend and friendship.
Dictionaries give a minimum of 20 meanings for the Arabic word WALI,
depending on context, most have to do with the position of leadership and
guardianship. Only in one instance it could mean a friend.
Arabic Reference:
- Elias' Modern Dictionary, by Elias A. Elias, Arabic-English, p815-816,
Lebanon.
- al-Munjid fi al-Lughah, v1.
Some suggested that what really the Prophet (PBUH&HF) wanted to say was:
"Whoever I am his friend, Ali is his friend."
There was no doubt that Imam Ali (AS) had a very high status in comparison
with all other people. He was the first male who embraced Islam (Sahih
Tirmidhi, V5, p642; Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal v4, p317; Mustadrak by al-
Hakim, v3, pp 111,136; Sirah Ibn Hisham, p345; Tabaqat by Ibn Sa'd, v3,
p71,72; al-Istiab by Ibn Abd al-Bar, v3, p30). He received the title of
the "brother" of Prophet (Sahih Tirmidhi v5, p363; Sirah Ibn Hisham, p504;
Tahdhib v4, p251). He was the one for whom Prophet said: "Loving Ali is
believing, hating Ali is hypocrisy." (Sahih Muslim, v1, p48; Sahih
Tirmidhi, p5, v643; Sunan Ibn Majah, v1, p142; Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal v1,
pp 84,95,128). Thus it does not seem to be logical for Prophet (PBUH&HF) to
keep more than a hundred thousand people in such unbeatable heat, and keep
them waiting in such condition until those who have left behind reach the
place, and then all to tell them was that "Ali is the friend of believers"!
Moreover how can we justify the verse 5:67 in which Allah warns his Prophet
that if he does not convey this message, he has spoiled all he has done?
Also what danger can be imagined for Prophet if he states "Ali is the
friend of believers"? Then what danger from the side of people is the verse
5:67 referring to?
Furthermore, how can the phrase "Ali is the friend of believers" complete
the religion? Is the verse of completeness of religion (5:3) which was
revealed after the speech of Prophet suggesting that without saying "Ali is
the friend of believers" the religion is not complete?
Also, as we quoted in the first part, Umar and Abu Bakr congratulated Ali
by saying: "Congratulations O son of Abu Talib! This morning you became the
MAWLA of all believing men and women." If the word MAWLA means friend then
why the congratulations? Was Ali the enemy of all believers before that
time, so that Umar said that this morning you BECAME the friend of them?
In fact, every WALI is a friend, but the reverse is not always true. This
is why Arabs use "Wali al-Amr" for the rulers, meaning the master of the
affairs. Thus logically speaking the word MAWLA can not be interpreted as
friend, and we should rather use its other more-frequently-used meanings
which are Leader and Guardian.
Perhaps you would say why Prophet didn't use other words to further explain
his intention. In fact people asked him the same question, and the
following Sunni documentations are the answers of Prophet (PBUH&HF):
1. When the Messenger of Allah (s) was asked about the meaning
of "whomever I am his MAWLA then Ali is his MAWLA". He said:
"Allah is my MAWLA more deserving of me (my obedience) than
myself, I do not dispute him. I am the MAWLA of the believers,
more deserving in them than themselves, they do not dispute me.
Therefore, whomever I was his MAWLA, more deserving in him
than himself (and) does not dispute me, then Ali is MAWLA,
more deserving in him than himself, he does not dispute him."
Sunni references:
- Shamsul Akhbar, by al-Qurashi, Ali Ibn Hamid, p38
- Salwat al-'Arifin, by al-Muwaffaq billah, Al-Husain Ibn Isma'il al
Jurjani.
2. During the reign of Uthman, Ali protested by reminding people the
following tradition. Also, he reminded it again during the war of
Siffin:
When the Messenger of Allah spoke of (Tradition of Ghadir)...,
Salman stood up and said: "O' Messenger of Allah? What does WALAA
mean? and how?" Prophet replied: "The same way that I am your WALI
(Wala-un ka wala'i). Whomever (considered me) I was more deserving in
him than himself, then Ali is more deserving in him than himself."
Sunni reference: Fara'id al-Samtain, by Hamawaini (Abu Is'haq Ibrahim Ibn
Sa'd al-Din Ibn al-Hamawiyia), section 58.
3. Ali Ibn Abi Talib was asked about the saying of the Messenger
of Allah "Whomever I am his MAWLA then Ali is his MAWLA". He said:
"He erected me chief ['alaman]. To the time I am up there, whomever
contradicts me then he is lost (misguided in religion)."
Sunni reference: Zain al-Fata, by al-Hafiz al-'Asimi
4. al-Hafiz al-Wahidi, after mentioning the Tradition of Ghadir
(where the Prophet said that he has delivered the message and
advised people, and that Allah is his witness on the people):
"This WILAYAH that the Prophet (PBUH) affirmed to Ali, will be asked
about on the Day of Judgment. It is said that WILAYAH is what Allah
meant in the verse 37:24 of Quran where He said: "And stop them, they
are to be asked [37:24]". This means that they will be asked about the
WILAYAH of Ali (RA). The meaning is: They will be asked if they truly
accepted him as their WALI as they were instructed by the Prophet
(PBUH)? or did they loose and ignore it? Therefore, the asking and
following."
Sunni references:
- Fara'id al-Samtain, by Hamawaini (Abu Is'haq Ibrahim Ibn Sa'd al-Din Ibn
al-Hamawiyia), section 14
- Nudhum Durar al-Samtain, by Jaml al-Din al-Zarandi
- al-Rashfah, by al-Hadhrami, p24
- al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah, by Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, p89;
Countless scholars of Quran, Arabic grammar, and literature have
interpreted the word MAWLA as Awla which means "having more authority."
The following Sunni specialists all confirmed the above meaning:
1. al-Wahidi (d. 468), in "al-Wasit"
2. al-Akhfash Nahwi (d. 215), in "Nihayat al-Uqul"
3. al-Tha'labi (d. 427), in "al-Kashf wal Bayan"
4. Ibn Qutaybah (d. 276), in "al-Qurtayan", v2, p164
5. al-Kalbi (d. 146, quoted in "Tafsir al-Kabir", by al-Razi, v29, p227)
6. al-Farra' (as quoted in "Ruhul Ma'ani", by al-Alusi, v27, p178)
7. al-Nasafi (d. 701), in his "Tafsir", v4, p229
8. al-Tabari (d. 310), in "Tafsir al-Tabari", v9, p117
9. al-Bukhari (d. 215), in "Sahih al-Bukhari", v7, p271
10. al-Zamakhshari (d. 538), in "Tafsir al-Kashshaf", v2, p435
11. Qazi Nasiruddin al-Baydawi (d. 692), in "tafsir al-Baydawi", v2, p497
12. al-Khazin al-Baghdadi (d. 741), in his "Tafsir", v4, p229
13. Muhib al-Din al-Afandi, in "Tanzil al-Ayat"
14. Mu'ammar Ibn Muthanna al-Basri (as quoted in "Sharh al-Mawaqif", by
al-Sharif al-Jurjani, v3, p271)
15. Abul Abbas Tha'lab (as quoted in "Sharh al-Sab'ah al-Mu'allaqah", by
al-Zuzani)
16. Ibn Abbas, in his "Tafsir" written on the margin of Durr al-Manthur,
v5, p355
17. Abu al-Saud al-Hanafi (d. 972), in his "Tafsir"
18. and many more such as Yahya Ibn Zaid Kufi (d. 207), Abu Ubaida Basri
(d. 210), Abu Zaid Ibn Aus Basri (d. 125), Abu Bakr Anbari (d. 328),
Abul Hasan Rummani (d. 384), Sa'd al-Din Taftazani (d. 791), Shaba
Uddin Khafaji (d. 1069), Hamzawi Maliki (d. 1303), Husain Ibn Mas'd
(d. 510), Abu Baqa Ukbari (d. 616), Ibn Hajar al-Haythmai (d. 974),
Sharif Jurjani (d. 618), Abdul Abbas Mubarrad (d. 285), Abu Nasr Farabi
(d. 393) and, Abu Zakariya Khateeb Tarizi (d. 502),...
Thus the word WALI or MAWLA in the tradition of Ghadir Khum does not mean a
simple friend, rather it means master and guardian who has more authority
over believers than what they have over themselves as Prophet himself
mentioned by saying "Don't I have more authority (Awla) on believers than
what they have over themselves?". At least 64 Sunni traditionists have
quoted this preceding question of Prophet, among them are al-Tirmidhi, al-
Nisa'i, Ibn Majah, Ahmad In Hanbal. Therefore the opinion of the above
Sunni scholars accords with what Prophet (PBUH&HF) said by using the word
Awla before the word MAWLA. In fact, when a word has more than one meaning,
the best way to find out its true connotation is to look at the association
(qarinah) and the context. The word Awla (having more authority) used by
Prophet gives a good association for the word MAWLA.
Also the prayer of Prophet after his declaration in which he said: "O' God,
love those who love him, and be hostile to those who are hostile to him",
shows that Ali on that day was entrusted with a responsibility (rulership)
which, by its nature, would make some people his enemy, and in carrying out
that responsibility he would need some helpers and supporters. Are helpers
ever needed to carry on a "friendship"?
Moreover, The declaration of Prophet (PBUH&HF) that "It seems the time is
approached when I will be called away (by Allah) and I will answer that
call" clearly shows that he was making arrangements for the leadership of
Muslims after his death.
It is worth mentioning that Prophet *did* use the word Caliph in his speech
in Ghadir Khum, but it does not appear in the majority of Sunni documents
since there is no way to fool around with that word. However Prophet
(PBUH&HF) also used the word WALI in his speech to survive this event from
being wiped up from the surface of History with no trace.
It is interesting to note that the word WALI is also used in Quran
frequently with the meaning of master and guardian. For instance, Quran
states:
"Allah is the WALI of those who believe; He brings them out of
darkness (and takes them) into light." (Quran 2:257)
The above verse does not mean that Allah is just a friend of believers,
because a simple friend who has no authority can not move anybody into
light. Rather it means Allah is the Master of believers and that is why He
moves them from darkness to light. In another verse Allah said:
"Surely the AWLIYAA of Allah have no fear nor do they grieve."
(Quran 10:62)
The word AWLIYAA is the plural form of WALI. The above verse does not mean
that whoever is the friend of Allah does not have any fear. Many good
Muslims may have experienced fear for some events in their lifetime while
they are NOT the enemies of Allah. Thus the above verse suggests something
else than a simple friend. Here the word WALI is in the form of FAEEL with
the meaning of MAF'OOL. So the above verse means: "Those whose guardian and
the master of their affairs is Allah are not subject to fear and
apprehension." So if a believer *totally* submits to Allah, he then will
not have any fear. But ordinary believers like us whose submissiveness is
not perfect, will probably be subject to fear of this and that, while we
are still friends of Allah. Thus "WALI of Allah" is a person who has
totally submitted his affairs to Allah and thus he is totally protected by
Allah from any kind of flaw and sin. This status is much higher than
position of being just a "Friend of Allah".
Nevertheless Allah uses the world AWLIYAA in its general meaning that is
"protectors". The Holy Quran states:
"The believers, men and women, are AWLIYAA of one to the other:
they command to what is just and forbid what is evil" (Quran 9:71).
If you look at different translations, they have used the word "protectors"
for the meaning of AWLIYAA. The above verse does not want to say that
believers are just friends of each other. Rather the believers are under a
mutual obligation to one another, and are occupied with each other's
affair. As a result of these obligations, they "command each other what is
good and forbid each other what is evil" as the rest of above verse
suggests. Thus here the meaning of AWLIYAA, though is higher than
"friends", but it is clearly lower than "master" and "leader". Here AWLIYAA
has been used in its general meaning. But for a special meaning of WALI,
see the following verse:
"*Only* Allah is your WALI, and His Messenger and those among
believers who keep alive prayer AND pay Zakat while they are in the
state of bowing." (Quran 5:55)
The above verse clearly suggests that *not* all believers are your WALI
with the special meaning of WALI in this verse which is "master" and
"leader". Here again, WALI does not mean just friend, because all the
believers are friends of each other. The above verse mentions that only
three items are your special WALI: Allah, Prophet Muhammad, and Imam Ali
for he was the only one at the time of Prophet who paid Zakat while he was
in the state bowing (ruku'). Muslim scholars are unanonymous in accepting
this event. Here are just some of the Sunni references which confirm that
the above verse was revealed exclusively in the honor of Imam Ali:
(1) Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v5, p38
(2) Tafsir al-Kashshaf, by al-Zamakhshari, Egypt 1373, v1, pp 505,649
(3) Tafsir al-Kabir, by Fakhr al-Razi, Egypt 1357, v12, pp 24-30
(4) Tafsir al-Kabir, by Ahmad Ibn Muhammad al-Tha'labi
(5) Tafsir al-Bayan, by Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, v6, pp 186,288-289
(6) Tafsir Jamiul Hukam al-Quran, by Muhammad Ibn Ahmad Qurtubi, v6, p219
(7) Tafsir al-Khazin, v2, p68
(8) Durr al-Manthur, by al-Suyuti, v2, pp 293-294
(9) Asbab al-Nuzool, by Jalaluddin al-Suyuti, Egypt 1382, v1, p73 on the
authority of Ibn Abbas
(10) Asbab al-Nuzool, by al-Wahidi
(11) Sharh al-Tjrid, by Allama Qushji
(12) Ahkam al-Quran, al-Jassas, v2, pp 542-543
(13) Kanzul Ummal, by al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, v6, p391
(14) al-Awsat, by Tabarani
(15) Ibn Mardawayh, on the authority of Ibn Abbas
Paying zakat during bowing (ruku') is not a Sunnah. This is accepted by ALL
Muslim scholars. Thus the above verse does not seek to set down the
desirability or the necessity of paying zakat during bowing (ruku'), nor
does it want to lay it down as duty or something recommended legally in the
Islamic sense as a kind of Divine Law (Shari'ah). Rather it is a
*reference* to an action which took place when someone did something in the
external world, and now Quran is pointing that action to indicate that
person. In an indirect way, the verse wants to say that this WALI is a
special WALI whose authority has been put beside the authority of Prophet
Muhammad (PBUH&HF).
One may object that even though Ali did this action, a plural form has been
used in the above verse, thus it might encompass some other people as well.
First, the history tells us that there was no other individual who did this
at the time of Prophet. Second, this way of approach in Quran which uses
plural form but actually referring to just one person who did that
particular act, is *not* uncommon in Quran. For instance Allah mentioned:
"*They* say: If we return to Medina the mightier (element) will soon
drive out the weaker." (63:8)
Here also Quran is referring to a story which took place, and uses the
phrase "They say" while the speaker of the above sentence was not any more
than one person. According to Shia and Sunni commentators he was Abdullah
Ibn Ubayy Ibn Salul.
Quran tries to avoid using names of people as much as possible. This is
done for many reasons such as generality to make it a universal book, and
also to make Quran safer from alteration by those who hate a special
individual.
Using plural while referring to single, has another application too.
Sometimes the act of a single person is worthier than the deeds of a whole
nation. This was the case for Prophet Muhammad, Imam Ali, as well as the
case for Prophet Abraham. Quran mentions that Abraham (AS) was a nation
(Ummah), meaning that his deeds was more valuable than all other people.
Allah stated:
"Lo! Abraham was a nation (Ummah) who was obedient to Allah,
by nature upright, and he was not of the idolaters" (Quran 16:120)
The famous and respectable companion of Prophet, Ibn Abbas (RA) said:
"There is no verse in Quran in which the term `Believers', unless Ali
is at the top of them and the chief of them and the more virtuous one
among them. Surely Allah has admonished the companions of Muhammad
(PBUH) in Quran, but He did not refer to Ali except with honor."
Sunni references:
- Fada'il al-Sahaba, by Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v2, p654, tradition #1114
- al-Riyad al-Nadirah, by al-Muhib al-Tabari, v3, p229
- Tarikh al-Khulafa, by al-Hafiz al-Suyuti, p171
- Dhakha'ir al-Uqba, p89
Thus the verse (5:55) is actually saying that *Only* Allah is your WALI,
and then Prophet Muhammad, and Imam Ali. Thus we can conclude that the
WILAYAH (mastership) of Imam Ali is the same as that of Prophet Muhammad
(PBUH&HF) since Allah put them beside each other. The authority of Prophet
Muhammad is given by the following verse:
"The Prophet has a greater priority/authority (Awla) over the
believers than what they have over themselves" (Quran 33:6)
or:
"O' you who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the Messenger and those from
among you who are given authority (by Allah)." (Quran 4:59)
You may look at other verses in regard to the authority of Prophet such as
4:65, 59:7, 9:103, 33:21. Putting all these verses beside the verse 5:55
one can derive that this priority and authority will also be for Imam Ali
after the demise of the Messenger of Allah.
al-Nisa'i and al-Hakim have also recorded another version of the tradition
of Ghadir Khum with an extra wordings of the Prophet. They narrated on the
authority of Zayd Ibn Arqam that:
Prophet added: "Certainly Allah is my MAWLA and I am WALI (master;
guardian) of all the faithful." Then he grasped the hand of Ali and
said: "He (Ali) is the WALI of all those of whom I am WALI. O Allah!
Love those who love him and hate those who hate him."
Sunni references:
- Khasa'is, by al-Nisa'i, p21
- al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, p109
In another wordings:
Prophet (PBUH) asked three times: "O' people! Who is your MAWLA? They
replied: Allah and His Messenger." Then he grasped the hand of Ali and
raised it and said: "Whoever his WALI is Allah and his Messenger, then
this man is his WALI also."
Sunni reference: Khasa'is, by al-Nisa'i, p6
If WALI means friend, then why people answered only Allah and His
Messenger are WALI. They should have answered all the believers are WALI.
This clearly shows that people got it right, but they later chose to act
otherwise. Now let us look at the following tradition:
Ali came to the plain of Rahbah, and some people told him "Peace on
you o' our MAWLA!" Ali replied: "How can I be your MAWLA while you are
Arabs (free men)?" They said: "We heard the Messenger of Allah (PBUH)
on the day of Ghadir Khum who said: `Whoever I was his MAWLA he (Ali)
is his MAWLA.'"
Sunni Reference: Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, v5, p419
If MAWLA means friend, then why was Ali (AS) asking the above question?
Was friendship new to Arabs? In fact Imam Ali was asking this question
to reiterate the importance of the word MAWLA and showing that people
at that time did not mean it friend for him.
Concluding the above discussion, it is clear that any individual who tries
to trivialize the tradition of Ghadir Khum by saying that Prophet just
wanted to say "Ali is the friend of believers", is neglecting the above-
mentioned traditions of prophet in which he explained what he meant by
WALI, and also neglecting the above-mentioned verses of Quran (those which
were revealed in Ghadir Khum and those which explain the importance of
WALI). Finally, the following tradition from Sunni references further
illuminates the fact that WALI means Imam since the tradition uses the
phrase "follow them" and "Imam". The Messenger of Allah said:
"Whoever wishes to live and die like me, and to abide in the Garden
of Eden after death, should acknowledge Ali as WALI after me, and take
his WALI (i.e., Imams after him) as WALI, and should *follow* the
Imams after me for they are my Ahlul-Bayt and were created from my
clay and are gifted with the same knowledge and wisdom as myself.
Woe unto those who deny their virtues and those who disregard their
relationship and affinity with me, for my intercession shall never
reach them."
Sunni references:
(1) Hilyatul Awliya', by Abu Nu'aym, v1, p86
(2) al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, p128
(3) al-Jamiul Kabir, by al-Tabarani
(4) al-Isabah, by Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani
(5) Kanzul Ummal, v6, p155
(6) al-Manaqib, by al-Khawarizmi, p34
(7) Yanabi' al-Mawaddah, by al-Qunduzi al-Hanafi, p149
(8) History of Ibn Asakir, v2, p95
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Ali vs. truth (right path):
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In some versions of the Tradition of Ghadir Khum there is an extra strange
sentence which is: The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "Wa dara al-haqq ma'ahu
haithu dar", literally: "And the truth (right path) turns with him (i.e.
Ali) which ever way he turns."
In Arabic, linguistically, the wording (balagha) could play tricks on the
listener. Logically, truth is absolute and not variable. A person, relative
to the truth, could be variable in action.
In this case, the person (i.e. Imam Ali) is placed as the absolute fixed
axes around which the event is taking place; such that, if anything changes
in the person's decision, the event is the thing that will change its track
-- truth in this case!!! Since, such change is not logically reasonable
due to the absolute nature of truth, then one can conclude that the two are
married and are inseparable. Hence, Ali (AS) stands for truth at all
times.
Thus the saying of the Prophet (PBUH&HF) is a metaphoric way to stress
Ali's importance and attachment to the truth (right path) such that
Ali (AS) and the "right path" are indistinguishable.
Whereas, if put in the reverse order (i.e. Ali turns with truth...) it
would leave room, theoretically, for Ali to make other possible turns, by
virtue of Ali being the moving object. This would sound weaker, and would
imply the nature of a non-infallible person.
end of part 2 of 3
Massoud Ajami
Subject: Ghadir Khum (Part 3 of 3)
Date: 30 May 1994 03:47:00 -0400
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On the Memory of Ghadir Khum
Part 3 of 3
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The chains (asnad) of narrations of Ghadir Khum
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The importance of the tradition of Ghadir Khum in history is reflected in
its widespread documentation and mentioned by the multitude of
personalities over the centuries. Although, some trivialized, only listed
the occurrence among the historical events without giving it a thought, or
discussed the matter in a mixture of emotional judgments, none could deny
the authenticity of these narrations. The essence of what the Messenger of
Allah (PBUH&HF) delivered on the day of Ghadir was not disputed among any,
even if they disagreed on its interpretation, for reasons obvious to
the alert.
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Sunni Traditionists who mentioned the Tradition of Ghadir Khum
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1. al-Tirmidhi (d. 279), in "Sahih al-Tirmidhi"
2. Ibn Majah (d. 273), in "Sunan Ibn Majah"
3. al-Nisa'i (d. 303), in "al-Khasa'is"
4. Mohammed Ibn Idris al-Shafi'i (Imam al-Shafi'i, d. 204) per
"al-Nihayah" by Ibn al-Athir
5. Ahmad Ibn Hanbal (Imam al-Hanbali, d. 241), in "Masnad" and "al-Manaqib"
6. Abu-Ya'la al-Mousilli (d. 307), in "al-Masnad"
7. al-Baghawi (d. 317), in "al-Sunan"
8. al-Doolabi (d. 320), in "al-Kuna wal Asmaa"
9. al-Tahawi (d. 321), in "Mushkil al-Athar"
10. al-Hakim (d. 405), in "al-Mustadrak"
11. Ibn al-Maghazili al-Shafi'i (d. 483), in "al-Manaqib"
12. Muhammad al-Ghazzali (d. 505), in "Sirrul `Alamayn"
13. Ibn Mindah al-Asbahani (d. 512), in his book
14. al-Khatib al-Khawarizmi (d. 568), in "al-Manaqib" and "Maqtal al-Imam
al-Sibt"
15. Abul Faraj Ibn al-Jawzi (d. 597), in "Manaqib"
16. al-Ganji al-Shafi'i (d. 658), in "Kifayat al-Talib"
17. Muhib al-din al-Tabari (d. 694), in "al-Riyadh al-Nadhirah" and
"Dhakha'ir al-'Aqabi"
18. al-Hamawainy (d. 722), in "Fara'id al-Samdtin"
19. al-Dhahabi (d. 748), in "al-Talkhis"
20. al-Khatib al-Tabrizi (d. 8th century), in "Mishkat al-Masabih"
21. al-Haythami (d. 807), in "Majma' al-Zawa'id"
22. al-Jazri (d. 830), in "Asna al-Matalib"
23. Abul Abbas al-Qastalani (d. 923), in "al-Mawahib al-Ladaniya"
24. al-Muttaqi al-Hindi (d. 975), in "Kanz al-Ummal"
25. Abdul Haqq al-Dihlawi, in "Sharh al-Mishkat"
26. al-Hurawi al-Qari (d. 1014), in "al-Muraqat fi Sharh al-Mishkat"
27. Taj al-din al-Manawi (d. 1031), in "Kunooz al-Haqa'iq fi Hadith
Khairul Khala'iq" and "Faidul Qadir"
28. al-Shaikhani al-Qadiri, in "al-Siratul Sawi fi Manaqib Aal al-Nabi"
29. Ba Kathir al-Makki (d. 1047), in "Wasilatul Amal fi Manaqib al-Aal"
30. Abu-Abdullah al-Zarqani al-Maliki (d. 1122), in "Sharh al-Mawahib"
31. Ibn Hamzah al-Dimashqi al-Hanafi, in "al-Bayan wal Taarif"
32. ... and many others
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Sunni Commentators of Quran who mentioned Ghadir Khum
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The following Sunni commentators mentioned that some of the verses of Quran
(e.g. [5:67] which was about the Allah's order to Prophet for announcement
of appointment of Ali, [5:3] which was about completeness of religion, and
[70:1] which was about the curse of a person who became angry at Prophet
for this announcement) were in connection with the event of event of Ghadir
Khum:
1. Ibn Jarir al-Tabari (d. 310), in "Tafsir al-Bayan"
2. al-Jassas (d. 370), in "Ahkam al-Quran"
3. al-Hafiz Abu Nu'aym (d. 430), in "Asbab al-Nuzool"
4. al-Tha'labi (d. 427 or 437), in "Tafsir al-Tha'labi"
5. al-Wahidi (d. 468), in "Asbab al-Nuzool"
6. al-Qurtubi (d. 568), in "Tafsir Jamiul Hukam al-Quran"
7. al-Fakhr al-Razi (d. 606), in "al-Tafsir al-Kabir"
8. al-Khazin Baghdadi (d. 741), in "Tafsir al-Khazin"
9. Ibn Kathir (d. 774), in "Tafsir Ibn Kathir"
10. al-Nisaboori (8th century), in "Tafsir al-Nisaboori"
11. Jalaluddin al-Suyuti (d. 910), in his "Tafsir"
12. al-Khatib al-Sharbini, in his "Tafsir"
13. Abu al-Saud al-Hanafi (d. 972), in his "Tafsir"
14. al-Aloosi al-Baghdadi (d. 1270), in his "Tafsir"
15. ... and many others.
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Sunni Historians who mentioned the Tradition of Ghadir Khum
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1. Ibn Qutaybah (d. 276), in "Ma'arif" and "Imamah wal Siyasah"
2. al-Baladheri (d. 279), in "Ansab al-ashraf"
3. Ibn Zawlaq al-Laithi al-Misri (d. 287), in his book
4. Ibn Jarir al-Tabari (d. 310), in an exclussive book "Kitabul Wilayah"
5. al-Khatib al-Baghdadi (d. 463), in "Tarikh Baghdad"
6. Ibn Abd al-Bar (d. 463), in "al-Isti'ab"
7. al-Shahristani (d. 548), in "al-Milal wal Nihal"
8. Ibn 'Asakir (d. 571), in "Tarikh Ibn 'Asakir" and "Yaqoot al-Hamawi"
9. Ibn al-Athir (d. 630), in "Usd al-Ghabah"
10. Sibt Ibn al-Jawzi (d. 654), in "Tadhkirat Khawas al-Ummah"
11. Ibn Abi al-Hadid (d. 656), in "Sharh Nahjul Balagha"
12. Ibn Khalkan (d. 681), in "Tarikh Ibn Khalkan"
13. Abul Fida (d. 732), in his "Tarikh"
14. al-Dhahabi (d. 748) , in "Tadhkirat al-Huffadh"
15. al-Yafi'i (d. 768), in "Miraat al-Jinan"
16. Ibn al-Shaikh al-Balawi, in "Alef Baa"
17. Ibn Kathir (d. 774), in "al-Bidayah wal Nihayah"
18. Ibn Khaldoon (d. 808), in "al-Muqaddimah"
19. al-Nuwairi (d. ~833), in "Nihayat al-Irab fi Finoon al-Adab"
20. al-Maqrizi (d. 845), in "al-Khitat"
21. Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (d. 852), in "al-Isabah" and "Tahdhib al-Tahdhib"
22. Ibn al-Sabbagh al-Maliki (d. 855), in "al-Fusool al-Muhimmah"
23. Mir Khand (d. 903), in "Habib al-Siyar"
24. Jalalulddin al-Suyuti (d. 910), in "Tarikh al-Khulafa"
25. Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, (d. 974), in "al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah"
26. al-Hafiz Ahmad Ibn Muhammad al-'Asimi, in "Zain al-Fata"
27. al-Qirmani al-Dimashqi (d. 1019), in "Akhbar al-Duwal"
28. Noor al-din al-Halabi (d. 1044), in "al-Sirah al-Halabiyah"
29. ... and many others.
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The Tradition of Ghadir Khum is parallel (mutawatir)
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The Tradition of Ghadir is reported in parallel (mutawatir) and
proven by the Sunnis to be from numerous chain of transmitters:
1. Ahmad Ibn Hanbal narrated it from 40 chains;
2. Ibn Jarir al-Tabari in more than 70 chains;
3. Abu Sa'id al-Sajistani from 120 chains;
4. Abu Bakir al-Jaabi from 125 chains;
5. al-Amir Muhammad al-Yamani (2nd century poet) had 150 chains;
6. al-Dhahabi has written a complete book on its chains and passed a
verdict that it is Mutawatir;
7. Abul Abbas Ibn `Uqdah has narrated it through 150 chains.
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The Tradition of Ghadir Khum is authentic (sahih)
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1. al-Hafiz Abu Isa al-Tirmidhi (d. 279, the author of Sahih Tirmidhi)
wrote: "This is an acceptable (hasan) and authentic (sahih) tradition."
(Sahih Tirmidi, v2, P.298)
2. Muhammad Ibn Abdillah al-Hakim (d. 405) wrote: "This tradition is
authentic (Sahih) with the criteria of two shaykhs, al-Bukhari and
Muslim." (al-Mustadrak al-Sahihain, v3, pp 108-110)
3. al-Hafiz Ahmad Ibn Muhammad al-Tahawi (d. 321) wrote: "This Hadith is
authentic (Sahih) according to the chains of narrators (asnad) and no
one has said anything contrary to its narrators." (Mushkil al-Athar, v2,
pp 307-308)
4. al-Hafiz Ahmad Ibn Muhammad al-'Asimi wrote: "This tradition is accepted
by Ummah and it is in conformity with the principles." (Zain al-Fata)
Likewise the following Sunni scholars and many more pointed that the
Tradition of Ghadir Khum is authentic (sahih) with no doubt:
5. al-Mahamili al-Baghdadi, in "Amali"
6. Ibn Abd al-Bar (d. 463), in "al-Isti'ab"
7. Ibn al-Maghazili al-Shafi'i (d. 483), in "al-Manaqib"
8. Muhammad al-Ghazzali (d. 505), in "Sirrul `Alamayn"
9. Abul Faraj Ibn al-Jawzi (d. 597), in "Manaqib"
10. Sibt Ibn al-Jawzi (d. 654), in "Tadhkirat Khawas al-Ummah"
11. Ibn Abi al-Hadid (d. 656), in "Sharh Nahjul Balagha"
12. al-Ganji al-Shafi'i (d. 658), in "Kifayat al-Talib"
13. Ibn Kathir (d. 774), in his "Tarikh"
14. `Ala al-Din al-Simnani, in "Al-'Urwatul Wuthqa"
15. Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (d. 852), in "Tahdhib al-Tahdhib"
16. Jalalulddin al-Suyuti (d. 910), in several of his books
17. Abul Abbas al-Qastalani (d. 923), in "al-Mawahib al-Ladaniya"
18. Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, (d. 974), in "al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah"
19. Abdul Haqq al-Dihlawi, in "Sharh al-Mishkat"
20. ... and many others.
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The Companions who narrated the Tradition of Ghadir Khum
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At least 110 companions of the Prophet (PBUH&HF) narrated the Tradition of
Ghadir Khum. Here is their names listed alphabetically (Arabic), followed
by some of the Sunni references in which their traditions are located. Most
of them heard it first hand at the site.
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1. Abu Huraira al-Dowsi (d. 57~59):
* al-Khatib al-Baghdadi, in "Tarikh Baghdad", v8, p290; from two ways.
* Abi al-Hajjaj al-Mazzi, in "Tahdhib al-Kamal fi asmaa al-rijal";
* Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, in "Tahdhib al-Tahdhib", v7, p327;
* al-Khatib al-Khawarizmi, in "al-Manaqib", p 130;
* al-Khatib al-Khawarizmi, in "Maqtal al-Imam al-Sibt";
* al-Jazri, in "Asna al-Matalib", p3;
* Jalalulddin al-Suyuti, in "al-Durr al-Manthoor", v2, p259;
* Jalalulddin al-Suyuti, in "Tarikh al-Khulafaa", p114;
* Hamawaini, in "Fara'id al-Samtain";
* Muttaqi al-Hindi, in "Kanz al-Ummal", v6, p154, p403; also from
12 companions;
* Ibn Abd al-Bar, in "al-Isti'ab", v2, p473;
* Ibn Kathir, in "al-bidaya wal Nihaya", v5, p214; from various
narrators;
* Abi Bakr al-Ja'abi, in "Nukhab al-Manaqib"; via al-Surawi in
"al-Manaqib", v1, p529;
* al-Badukhshi, in "Nuzul al-Abrar", p20.
2. Abu Laila al-Ansari (d. 37 in Siffin):
* al-Khatib al-Khawarizmi, in "Manaqib al-Khawarizmi", p35;
* al-Suyuti, in "Tarikh al-Khulafaa", p114;
* al-Samhoudi, in "Jawahir al-'Aqdain".
3. Abu Zainab Ibn 'Aouf al-Ansari:
* Ibn al-Athir, in "Usd al-Ghabah", v3, p307; and v5, p205;
* Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani, in "al-Isabah", v3, p408; and v4, p80.
4. Abu Fadhalah al-Ansari (who took part in the battle of Badr, was
martyred in Siffin while he was with Ali (AS)):
* Ibn al-Athir, in "Usd al-Ghabah", v3, p307; and v5, p205;
* al-Qadhy Bahlool Bahjat, in "Tarikh Aali Muhammad", p67.
5. Abu Qidamah al-Ansari:
* Ibn al-Athir, in "Usd al-Ghabah", v4, p159; and v5, p276;
* al-Samhoudi, in "Jawahir al-'Aqdain".
6. Abu 'Umrou Ibn Muhsin al-Ansari:
* Ibn al-Athir, in "Usd al-Ghabah", v3, p307;
* Ibn 'Uqdah, in "Hadith al-Wilayah";
7. Abu al-Haitham Ibn al-Tihan (d. 37 in Siffin):
* Ibn 'Uqdah, in "Hadith al-Wilayah";
* Abu Bakr Ju'abi, in "Nakhb al-Manaqib";
* al-Khatib al-Khawarizmi, in "Maqtal al-Imam al-Sibt";
* al-Samhoudi al-Shafi'i, in "Jawahir al-'Aqdain".
* al-Qadhy, in "Tarikh Aali Muhammad", p67.
8. Abu Rafi' al-Qabti (Servent of the Messenger of Allah):
* Ibn 'Uqdah, in "Hadith al-Wilayah";
* Abu Bakr Ju'abi, in "Nakhb al-Manaqib";
* al-Khatib al-Khawarizmi, in "Maqtal al-Imam al-Sibt";
9. Abu Thuwaib Khuwailid (or Khalid) Ibn Khalid Ibn Muhrith Al-Hathli (the
pre-islamic and post-islamic poet, died during the reign of Uthman):
* Ibn 'Uqdah, in "Hadith al-Wilayah";
* al-Khatib al-Khawarizmi, in "Maqtal al-Imam al-Sibt", in section 4.
10. Abu Bakr Ibn Abi Qahafah al-Taymi (the First Caliph, d. 13):
* Ibn 'Uqdah, in "Hadith al-Wilayah";
* Abu Bakr Ju'abi, in "Nakhb al-Manaqib";
* al-Mansour al-Razi, in "al-Ghadir"
* Shams al-Din al-Jazri al-Shafi'i, in "Asna al-Matalib", p3.
11. Usamah Ibn Zaid Ibn Harithah al-Kalbi (d. 54)
* Ibn 'Uqdah, in "Hadith al-Wilayah";
* Abu Bakr Ju'abi, in "Nakhb al-Manaqib";
12. Ubay Ibn Kaab al-Ansari:
* Ibn 'Uqdah, in "Hadith al-Wilayah"; in "al-Yaqin", section 37;
* Abu Bakr Ju'abi, in "Nakhb al-Manaqib";
* Shams al-Din al-Jazri al-Shafi'i, in "Asna al-Matalib", p4.
13. Asmaa bint 'Umaice al-Khadh'amiya
* Ibn 'Uqdah, in "Hadith al-Wilayah"; in "al-Yaqin", section 37;
14. Um Salmah (wife of the Prophet):
* Ibn 'Uqdah, in "Hadith al-Wilayah";
* al-Samhoudi al-Shafi'i, in "Jawahir al-'Aqdain".
* al-Qundoozi al-Hanafi, in "Yanabi' al-Mawaddah", p40;
* Ahmed Ibn al-Fadhl Ibn Muhammed ba-Kathir al-Makki al-Shafi'i,
in "Wasilat al-Ma-al".
16. Um Hani bint Abi Talib:
* al-Bazzar, in "Musnad al-Bazzar";
* al-Samhoudi al-Shafi'i, in "Jawahir al-'Aqdain".
* al-Qundoozi al-Hanafi, in "Yanabi' al-Mawaddah", p40;
* Ibn 'Uqdah, in "Hadith al-Wilayah";
17. Abu Hamzah Anas Ibn Malik al-Ansari al-Khazraji (the servent of the
Prophet, d. 93):
* al-Khatib al-Baghdadi, in "Tarikh Baghdad", v7, p377;
* Ibn Qutaibah al-Daynouri, in "al-Ma'arif", p291;
* Ibn 'Uqdah, in "Hadith al-Wilayah";
* al-Khatib al-Khawarizmi, in "Maqtal al-Imam al-Sibt";
* al-Suyuti, in "Tarikh al-Khulafaa", p114; from al-Tabarani;
* Muttaqqi al-Hindi, in "Kanz al-Ummal", v6, p154, p403;
* al-Badukhshi, in "Nuzul al-Abrar", p20; from al-Tabarani &
al-Khatib.
* Shams al-Din al-Jazri al-Shafi'i, in "Asna al-Matalib", p4.
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18. Baraa Ibn 'Azib al-Ansari al-Awsi (d. 72):
* Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, in "al-Musnad", v4, p281; from two ways;
* Ibn Majah, in "Sunan ibn Majah", v1, p28-29;
* al-Nisa'i, in "al-Khasa'is", p16;
* al-Khatib al-Baghdadi, in "Tarikh Baghdad", v14, p236;
* Ibn Jarir al-Tabari, in "Tafsir al-Tabari", v3, p428;
* Abi al-Hajjaj al-Mazzi, in "Tahdhib al-Kamal fi Asmaa al-rijal";
* al-Tha'labi, in "al-Kashf wal Bayan";
* Ibn Abd al-Bar, in "al-Isti'ab", v2, p473;
* Muhib al-Din al-Tabari, in "al-Riyadh al-Nadhirah", v2, 169;
* Muhib al-Din al-Tabari, in "Dhakha'ir al-'Aqabi", p67;
* al-Khatib al-Khawarizmi, in "al-Manaqib", p94;
* Ibn al-Sabbagh al-Maliki, in "al-Fusool al-Muhimmah", p25;
* al-Hafiz al-Ganji al-Shafi'i, in "Kifayat al-Talib", p14;
* al-Fakhr al-Razi, in "Tafsir al-Fakhr al-Razi", v3, p636;
* al-Nisaboori, in "Tafsir al-Nisaboori", v6, p194;
* Jamaluddin al Zarandi, in "Nudhum Durar al-Samtain";
* "al-Jame' al-Saghir", v2, p555;
* "Mishkat al-Masabeeh", p557;
* Muttaqi al-Hindi, in "Kanz al-Ummal", v6, p152, p397;
* Ibn Kathir, in "al-Bidayah wal Nihayah", v5, p209; v7, p349;
* ... Several others from the above sources.
19. Baridah Ibn al-Hasib Abu-Sahal al-Aslami (d. 63):
* al-Hakim, in "Mustadrak al-Hakim", v3, p110;
* Abu Nu'aym al-Isbahani, in "Hilyat al-Awliyaa", v4, p23;
* Ibn Abd al-Bar, in "al-Isti'ab", v2, p473;
* Shams al-Din al-Jazri, in "Asna al-Matalib", p3;
* al-Suyuti, in "Tarikh al-Khulafaa", p114;
* "al-Jame' al-Saghir", v2, p555;
* al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, in "Kanz al-Ummal", v6, p397;
* al-Badukhshi, in "Nuzul al-Abrar", p20;
* "Tafsir al-Manar", v6, p464.
* ...
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20. Abu Sa'id, Thabit Ibn Wadi'a al-Ansari al-Khazraji al-Madani:
* Ibn al-Athir, in "Usd al-Ghabah", v3, p307; v5, p205;
* Ibn 'Uqdah, in "Hadith al-Wilayah";
* al-Qadhy, in "Tarikh Aali Muhammad", p67.
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21. Jabir Ibn Samrah Ibn Janadah, Abu Sulaiman al-Suwa'i (d. 70~74):
* Ibn 'Uqdah, in "Hadith al-Wilayah";
* al-Khatib al-Khawarizmi, in "Maqtal al-Imam al-Sibt", section 4;
* al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, in "Kanz al-Ummal", v6, p398;
22. Jabir Ibn Abdullah al-Ansari (d. 73/74/78 in Madina):
* Ibn 'Uqdah, in "Hadith al-Wilayah";
* Abu Bakr Ju'abi, in "Nakhb al-Manaqib";
* Ibn Abd al-Bar, in "al-Isti'ab", v2, p473;
* Abi al-Hajjaj al-Mazzi, in "Tahdhib al-Kamal fi asmaa al-rijal";
* Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, in "Tahdhib al-Tahdhib", v7, p337;
* al-Hafiz al-Ganji al-Shafi'i, in "Kifayat al-Talib", p16;
* Ibn Kathir, in "al-Bidayah wal Nihayah", v5, p209;
* Muttaqi al-Hindi, in "Kanz al-Ummal", v6, p398;
* al-Qundoozi al-Hanafi, in "Yanabi' al-Mawaddah", p41;
* Shams al-Din al-Jazri al-Shafi'i, in "Asna al-Matalib", p3.
* al-Tha'labi, in "Tafsir al-Tha'labi"
23. Jublah Ibn 'Amrou al-Ansari:
* Ibn 'Uqdah, in "Hadith al-Wilayah";
24. Jubair Ibn Mut'am Ibn 'Uday al-Qurashi al-Nawfali (d. 57/58/59):
* al-Qadhy Bahlool Bahjat, in "Tarikh Aali Muhammad", p67.
* Shahab al-Din al-Hamadani, in "Mawaddat al-Qurba";
* al-Qundoozi al-Hanafi, in "Yanabi' al-Mawaddah", p31, p336.
25. Jarir Ibn Abdullah Ibn Jabir al-Bajali (d. 51/54):
* al-Haythami, in "Majma' al-Zawa'id", v9, p106; from "al-Mu'jam
al-Kabir" of al-Tabarani;
* al-Suyuti, in "Tarikh al-Khulafaa", p114; from al-Tabarani;
* Muttaqqi al-Hindi, in "Kanz al-Ummal", v6, p154, p399;
* Ibn Kathir, in "al-Bidayah wal Nihayah", v7, p349;
26. Abu Dhar al-Ghafari, Jundub Ibn Janadah (d. 31):
* Hamawaini, in "Fara'id al-Samtayn", section 58;
* al-Khatib al-Khawarizmi, in "Maqtal al-Imam al-Sibt";
* Ibn 'Uqdah, in "Hadith al-Wilayah";
* Abu Bakr Ju'abi, in "Nakhb al-Manaqib";
* Shams al-Din al-Jazri al-Shafi'i, in "Asna al-Matalib", p4.
27. Abu Junaidah, Junda' Ibn 'Amrou Ibn Mazin al-Ansari:
* Ibn al-Athir, in "Usd al-Ghabah", v1, p308;
* al-Qadhy Bahlool Bahjat, in "Tarikh Aali Muhammad", p67.
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28. Habbah Ibn Juwayn, Abu Qudamah al-'Urani al-Bajali (d. 76-79):
* al-Haythami, in "Majma' al-Zawa'id", v9, p103;
* Ibn 'Uqdah, in "Hadith al-Wilayah";
* al-Doolabi, in "al-Kuna wal Asmaa", v2, p88;
* Ibn al-Athir, in "Usd al-Ghabah", v1, p367;
* Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, in "al-Isabah", v1, p372;
* al-Qundoozi al-Hanafi, in "Yanabi' al-Mawaddah", p34;
29. Hubshi Ibn Janadah al-Salouli:
* Ibn al-Athir, in "Usd al-Ghabah", v3, p307; v5, p205;
* Muhib al-Din al-Tabari, in "al-Riyadh al-Nadhirah", v2, p169;
* al-Muttaqi al-Hindi, in "Kanz al-Ummal", v6, p154;
* Ibn Kathir, in "al-Bidayah wal Nihayah", v5, p211; v7, p349.
* al-Haythami, in "Majma' al-Zawa'id", v9, p106;
* al-Suyuti, in "Tarikh al-Khulafaa", p114;
* Shams al-Din al-Jazri, in "Asna al-Matalib", p4;
30. Habib Ibn Badil Ibn Warqaa al-Khaza'i:
* Ibn al-Athir, in "Usd al-Ghabah", v1, p368;
* Ibn Hajar al-'Asqalani, in "al-Isabah", v1, p304;
31. Hudhaifa Ibn Usaid, Abu Sarihah, al-Ghafari (from the companions
who plegde under the "Tree", d. 40~42):
* al-Tirmidhi, in "Sahih al-Tirmidhi", v2, p298;
* al-Qundoozi al-Hanafi, in "Yanabi' al-Mawaddah", p38; from Samhoodi
and Ibn 'Uqdah as in "al-Muwalat".
* Ibn al-Sabbagh al-Maliki, in "al-Fusool al-Muhimmah", p25;
* Ibn Kathir, in "al-Bidayah wal Nihayah", v5, p211; v7, p348.
* Ibn Hajar al-Haythami, in "al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqah", p25;
* Noor al-din al-Halabi, in "al-Sirah al-Halabiyah", v3, p301;
32. Hudhaifa Ibn al-Yaman al-Yamani (d. 36):
* Ibn 'Uqdah, in "Hadith al-Wilayah";
* Abu Bakr Ju'abi, in "Nakhb al-Manaqib";
* al-Hakim al-Hasakani, in "Du'at al-Hudat ila Adaa Haqq al-Muwalat";
* al-Jazri, in "Asna al-Matalib", p4;
33. Hassan Ibn Thabit (one of the poets of al-Ghadir who composed poem
during the ceremony):
* Abu Nu'aym al-Isbahani (d. 430), in "Ma Nazala min al-Quran fi Ali"
34. al-Imam, al-Sibt, al-Mujtaba, al-Hasan Ibn Ali (AS):
* Ibn 'Uqdah, in "Hadith al-Wilayah";
* Abu Bakr Ju'abi, in "Nakhb al-Manaqib";
* al-Khatib al-Khawarizmi, in "Maqtal al-Imam al-Sibt";
35. al-Imam, al-Sibt, al-Shahid, al-Hussain Ibn Ali (AS):
* Ibn 'Uqdah, in "Hadith al-Wilayah";
* Abu Bakr Ju'abi, in "Nakhb al-Manaqib";
* al-Khatib al-Khawarizmi, in "Maqtal al-Imam al-Sibt";
* al-Hafiz Ibn al-Maghazili al-Shafi'i, in "al-Manaqib";
* Abu Nu'aym al-Isbahani, in "Hilyat al-Awliyaa", v9, p64;
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Note: from this piont, for the sake of brevity, we skip the references
under each companion except for the case of few critical individuals.
Interested readers can look up the rest of the references in the book of
"al-Ghadir", volume 1 of 11.
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- KH - (_
36. Abu Ayyoub, Khalid Ibn Zaid al-Ansari (d. 50/51/52):
37. Abu Sulaiman, Khalid Ibn al-Walid Ibn al-Mughairah al-Makhzoomi
(d. 21/22):
38. Khuzimah Ibn Thabit al-Ansari (Dhul Shahadatain, d. 37 in Siffin):
39. Abu Sharih, Khuwailid Ibn 'Amrou al-Khuza'i (d. 68):
- R - /
40. Rufa'ah Ibn Abdul Munthir al-Ansari:
.
- Z - /
41. Zubair Ibn al-'Awwam al-Qurashi (d. 36):
42. Zaid Ibn Arqam al-Ansari al-Khazraji (d. 66~68):
43. Abu Sa'id, Zaid Ibn Thabit (d. 45~48):
44. Zaid/Yazid Ibn Sharahil al-Ansari:
45. Zaid Ibn Abdullah al-Ansari:
w
- S - (_/
46. Abu Is'haq, Sa'd Ibn Abi Waqqas (d. 54-58):
47. Sa'd Ibn Janadah al-'Awfi:
48. Sa'd Ibn 'Abadah al-Ansari al-Khazraji (d. 14~15)
49. Abu Sa'id, Sa'd Ibn Malik al-Ansari al-Khudri (d. 63/65/74):
50. Sa'id Ibn Zaid al-Qurashi al-'Adwi (d. 50~51):
51. Sa'id Ibn Sa'd Ibn 'Abadah al-Ansari:
52. Abu Abdullah, Salman al-Farsi (d. 36~37):
53. Abu Muslim, Salmah Ibn 'Umrou Ibn al-Akwa' al-Aslami (d. 74):
54. Abu Sulaiman, Samrah Ibn Jundab al-Fazari (d. 58~60):
55. Sahl Ibn Hanif al-Ansari al-Awsi (d. 38):
56. Abu al-Abbas, Sahl Ibn Sa'd al-Ansari al-Khazaraji al-Sa'idi (d. 91):
.
_p _p
- SAD & DHAD - (_/ (_/
57. Abu Imamah, al-Sadi Ibn 'Ajlan al-Bahili (d. 86):
58. Dhamirah al-Asadi:
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- TAA - _D
59. Talha Ibn 'Ubaidullah al-Timimi (d. 36):
c
- 'A (AYN) - (_
60. 'Amir Ibn 'Umair al-Numairi:
61. 'Amir Ibn Laila Ibn Dhamrah:
62. 'Amir Ibn Laila al-Ghafari:
63. Abu al-Tufail, 'Amir Ibn Wathilah al-Laithi (d. 100/102/108/110):
64. 'Aisha Ibn Abi Bakr Ibn Abi Qahafah (wife of the Prophet):
65. 'Abbas Ibn Abdul Muttalib Ibn Hashim (Uncle of the Prophet):
66. 'Abdul Rahman Ibn 'Abdu-Rabb al-Ansari:
67. Abu Muhammad, 'Abdul Rahman Ibn 'Aouf al-Qurashi al-Zuhri (d. 31/32):
68. 'Abdul Rahman Ibn Ya'mur al-Daili:
69. 'Abdullah Ibn Abi Abdul Asad al-Makhzoomi:
70. `Abdullah Ibn Badil Ibn Warqaa (d. 37 in Siffin):
71. 'Abdullah Ibn Bashir al-Mazini:
72. 'Abdullah Ibn Thabit al-Ansari:
73. 'Abdullah Ibn Ja'afar Ibn Abi Talib al-Hashimi (d. 80):
74. 'Abdullah Ibn Hantab al-Qurashi al-Makhzoomi:
75. 'Abdullah Ibn Rabi'a:
76. 'Abdullah Ibn Abbas (d. 68):
77. 'Abdullah Ibn Abi Ofa 'Alqamah al-Aslami (d. 86/87):
78. Abu Abdul Rahman, 'Abdullah Ibn Umar Ibn al-Khattab al-'Udawi
(d. 72/73):
79. Abu Abdul Rahman, 'Abdullah Ibn Masoud al-Hathli (d. 32/33):
80. 'Abdullah Ibn Yamil/Yamin:
81. 'Uthman Ibn 'Affan (d. 35):
82. 'Ubaid Ibn 'Azib al-Ansari:
83. Abu Tarif, 'Uday Ibn Hatam (d. 68):
84. 'Atiya Ibn Busr al-Mazini:
85. 'Aqabah Ibn 'Amir al-Jahani:
86. Amirul Mouminin, Ali ibn Abi Talib (AS):
87. Abul Yaqdhan, 'Ammar Ibn Yasir al-'Unsi al-Shahid (in Siffin 37):
88. 'Ammar al-Khazraji al-Ansari (d. ied the day of Yamamah):
89. 'Umar Ibn Abi Salmah Ibn Abdul Asad al-Makhzoomi (his mother
Um Salmah was the wife of the Prophet):
90. 'Umar Ibn al-Khattab (d. 23):
* Ahmad Ibn Hanbal, in "al-Manaqib";
* Muhib al-Din al-Tabari, in "al-Riyadh al-Nadhirah", v2, p161 & p244;
* al-Hafiz Ibn al-Maghazili al-Shafi'i, in "al-Manaqib":
Two narrations, one via Abu Hurairah, Umar Ibn al-Khattab said:
"The Messenger of Allah (s) said: Whomever I was his mawla then
Ali is his mawla."
* al-Khatib al-Khawarizmi, in "Maqtal al-Imam al-Sibt";
* Ibn Kathir, in "al-Bidayah wal Nihayah", v7, p349;
* Shams al-Din al-Jazri, in "Asna al-Matalib", p3;
* Shahab al-Din al-Hamadani, in "Mawaddat al-Qurba" and in:
* al-Qundoozi al-Hanafi, in "Yanabi' al-Mawaddah", p249:
"Umar Ibn al-Khattab (ra) said: The Messenger of Allah raised Ali
up clearly, and said: "Whoever I was his leader [mawlah] then Ali
is his leader [mawlah], O' Allah! Be a gaurd [Wali] to whomever
is his adherent [walah], and be the enemy to his enemy, forsake the
one who forsakes him (abandons him), support the one who supports
him. O' Allah! You are me witness on them." Umar said: "O' Messenger
of Allah? (i.e. Why Ali?) And there was a young man next to me, with
a handsome face and good fragrance. He said to me: "O' Umar, the
Messenger of Allah has agreed to an agreement. No one disolves it
except a hypocrite." Then the Messenger of Allah took my hand and
said: "O' Umar, it is not sons' of Adam (i.e., it not a human
decision), but Gabrael wanted to make certain to you what I said
about Ali."
91. Abu Najid, 'Imran Ibn Hasin al-Khuza'i (d. 52):
92. 'Amrou Ibn al-Hamq al-Khaza'i al-Koufi (d. 50):
93. 'Amrou Ibn Sharahil:
94. 'Amrou Ibn al-'Asy (a poet of al-Ghadir):
95. 'Amrou Ibn Murrah al-Jahani, Abu Talha or Abu Mariam:
.
- F - __9
96. al-Siddiqah, Fatima (AS) (the daughter of the Propet, d. 11):
* Ibn 'Uqdah, in "Hadith al-Wilayah";
* al-Mansour al-Razi, in "al-Ghadir"
* Shams al-Din al-Jazri al-Shafi'i, in "Asna al-Matalib", p3.
* Shahab al-Din al-Hamadani, in "Mawaddat al-Qurba":
She said: "The Messenger of Allah (s) said: Whomever I was
his leader [wali], then Ali is his leader [wali]. And whomever
I was his Imam then Ali is his Imam."
97. Fatima bint Hamzah Ibn Abdul Muttalib:
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- Q & K - (__) q
(_/
98. Qais Ibn Thabit Ibn Shammas al-Ansari:
99. Qais Ibn Sa'd Ibn 'Abadah al-Ansari al-Khazraji:
100. Abu Muhammad, Ka'b Ibn 'Ajrah al-Ansari al-Madani (d. 51):
o
- M - (
101. Abu Sulaiman, Malik Ibn al-Huwairith (d. 74):
102. al-Miqdad Ibn 'Amrou al-Kindi al-Zuhri (d. 33):
.
- N - (_)
103. Najiyah Ibn 'Amrou al-Khaza'i:
104. Abu Barza, Fadhlah Ibn 'Atabah al-Aslami (d. 65)
105. Nu'aman Ibn 'Ajlan al-Ansari:
q
- W & h & Y - (_S _8 /
106. Abu Wasmah, Wahshi Ibn Harb al-Habashi al-Humsi:
107. Wahab Ibn Hamzah:
108. Abu Juhaifah, Wahab Ibn Abdullah al-Suwa'i (d. 74):
109. Hashim al-Murqal Ibn 'Atabah Ibn Abi Waqqas al-Zuhri al-Madani
(d. ied in Siffin year 37):
110. abu Murazim, Ya'la Ibn Murrah Ibn Wahab al-Thaqafi:
==============
More Available
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84 Names of narrators from "Tabi'in" (the following generation of the
companions) who narrated the Tradition of Ghadir Khum.
360 Names of Scholars over the past 14 centuries of the Islamic
calendar who reported the Tradition of Ghadir Khum.
22 Documented Protests with some companions and others about the
event of Ghadir Khum.
======
Poetry
======
Many poems mention the event or are entirely about it. The first poem was
by the famous companion, Hassan Ibn Thabit, the poet of the Messenger of
Allah. Immediately after the Prophet's speech, Hassan asked for the
permission of the Prophet (PBUH) to say a few verses of poetry about Ali
(AS) for the audience. The Prophet said: "Say with the blessings of Allah".
Hassan stood up and said: "O' people of Quraish. I follow with my words
what preceded and witnessed by the Messenger of Allah. He then said:
"He calls them, (on) the day of Ghadir, their Prophet
In Khum so hear (and heed) the Messenger's call,
He said: "Who is your guide and leader? (mowlakum wa waliyukum)"
They said, and there was no apparent blindness (clearly):
"Your God, our guide, and you are our leader
And you won't find from among us, in this, any disobedient,"
He said to him: "rise O' Ali, for I have
Accepted you, after me, and Imam and guide,
So whomever I was his leader, then this is his leader
So be to him supporters in truth and followers,"
There he asked (du'aa): "Allah? Be a friend and guide to his follower
And be, to the one who is Ali's enemy, an enemy"
* Abu Nu'aym al-Isbahani (d. 430), in "Ma Nazala min al-Quran fi Ali"
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Navali
ahahahhahahahaha -- who is playing God here?????
AltWay wrote:
>
> In article <7ronmf$q0e$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, kena...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> Comment :-
> I know how I would react to these notions, and I expect others to react to
> them in the same way.
>
> But this reaction is the only one I can have from the explanation you gave.
> That is why I posted them twice. I thought you would have realised this!!!
>
> I was hoping that you would show me some other way of interpreting what you
> said for not only my enlightenment but that of others.
> Would I have bothered continuing to write otherwise?
>
> But either you have no other explanation or you do not want to give it to
> us. Why then continue to write.
>
> But note that I do not use abusive words about you.
>
> Navali :-
> > If you want answers to your questions then LEARN to ask them and also
> > respect the beliefs of others, regardless. And please don't try to
> > mislead other Muslims through your false piety or incite something here
> > because that is your usual practice. Your record speaks for itself.
>
> Comment :-
> How can I respect your beliefs if I do not know what they are and you will
> not answer my questions.
>
> I have heard several versions :- From one point of view you appear to be a
> worshipper of Ali as Christians are of Jesus. From another point of view Ali
> is said to be an attribute of Allah. I cannot find this in the Quran. But
> even if it is, why is concentrate attention on just one attribute? According
> to another you take Ali to be a Prophet. According to still another you
> think that Ali is still alive in spirit and believe that it is his spirit
> which is pervading your sect. And so on.
>
> Do you refuse to answer because you think you have been insulted? You are
> letting personal matters intefere with what might enlighten many.
>
> If I am correct in my provisional assumption about which I am asking the
> question, then it is you who are insulting Islam which requires worship of
> Allah exclusively. I am trying to repel such insults whether you believe it
> or not. If you worship something other than Allah then call yourself
> something else - Alites, for instance.
>
> But if you cannot or do not wish to answer then please say so and cease
> writing about this subject. I will then cease writing about this subject
> too.
>
> H.S.Aziz
>
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Lakum Diinukum--Unto you your Religion
WA LIYA DIIN--AND UNTO ME MY RELIGION
Navali
AltWay wrote:
>
> In article <DELETE_Massoud.Aj...@sdsu.edu>,
> DELETE_Mas...@sdsu.edu (Massoud Ajami) wrote:
>
> Regarding :- So are you and your sect a Christian offshoot or heresy, or
> answer to Christianity by substituting Ali for Jesus?
>
> So what if he does! Why one is so deeply commited to blast on one who says
> such a thing -- mention the name Ali -- while MO(ron) et al goes free?
> Isn't down deep the hate for Ali that make peole do that? Or down deep the
> respect that he (Ali) gets, even Moawiyeh ordered insults on "manbars" for
> him and his family for 30 years?
>
> Comment :-
>
> You are mistaking my intentions.
>
> Mo and others are openly anti-muslim and usually write obvious rubbish. It
> is not worth replying to them. More damage can be done by the more subtle
> and cunning.
>
> Navali preaches his ideas on this site making himself out to be a Muslim.
> This may or may not be very deceptive - even Satan poses as a muslim. His
> ideas seem heretical to me, but I want clarification, so that all can see
> what they are. I do not get this from him though I use all kinds of tactics
> to try and get him to respond intelligently.
>
> Once he has told us what he really believes and wants to propogate, I will
> leave him alone.
>
> I have no hate for Ali. Why should I? Have I not said that he was a good,
> pious, wise and courageous person, one of the foremost? Why else would the
> Prophet (saw) honour him?
>
Navali
MOHAMMED HANIF wrote:
>
> I usually do not try to contribute to threads like these because it leads
> far to easily to an exchange of abuse but I do have a few questions to ask
> Navali and any other Shia reading this.
>
> What exactly is your belief about Sayyidna Ali, may Allah enoble his
> countenance? Do you believe that Allah allows muslims to worship Ali. Do you
> belive Ali is a manifestation of Allah?
>
> I ask these questions because I am confused about what you believe and can't
> work it out from your emails.
----------
NAVALI::
DID THE HOLY PROPHET(SAS) WORSHIP ALI? Let the fervent disputer, Asgar
Waliji[an Ithna'asharite(?)], disprove the following hadith! Please note
that these have been quoted from the Ithna'asharite sources ONLY.
Ahadith:
1. Ibn Mas'ud says that the Prophet said: TO LOOK UPON ALI IS DEVOTION.
2. Ibn Asakir on the authority of CALIPH ABU BAKR records the Prophet
said: LOOKING UPON ALI IS WORSHIP
[Non-Ismaili source: 'Ali The Magnificent, by Yousuf N. Lalljee [a
Shia 12er- -Ithna'ashari] pp. 251].
--------------
NAVALI: IF THESE HADITH ARE CORRECT AS RECORDED BY NON-ISMAILI
SOURCES THEN DOES IT MEAN THAT LOOKING UPON ALI WAS DEVOTION
AND WORSHIP? IF SO, WHAT DID THE HOLY PROPHET DO WHEN HE LOOKED
UPON ALI [PBUTH]?
-------
From: SADRY2 <Sad...@cris.com>
Subject: Re: Navali claims "Quraan proves Ali is Allah,
Muhammad (saw) worshipped Ali
Date: Tuesday, September 22, 1998 7:39 PM
Navali wrote:
>PICKTHAL: And say (unto them): Act!
> Allah will behold your actions
> and His messenger
> and the believers.
>----------
>
;>WHERE IS THE MESSENGER TODAY AND WHO ARE THE BELIEVERS MEANT HERE? WHY
HAS ALLAH EXALTED THE MESSENGER AND THESE BELIEVERS UNTO HIMSELF AND/OR
ALLOCATED THE SAME _DIVINE_ TASK TO THEM AS HIMSELF?
--------
Excellent point, supported from the Holy Quran. Br Navali, please
accumulate all these points in a single coherent article. Write all
objections and their replies. This would be good to fall on when time is
not enough for many readers like myself.
;>>
-----------------------
NAVALI: THE HOLY PROPHET'S (SAS) _D_I_V_I_N_I_T_Y_ IN THE HOLY
QUR'AN:
1. 004.080 Whoso obeyeth the messenger obeyeth Allah.
2a. 004.041 But how (will it be with them) when We bring of every people
a witness, and We bring thee (O Muhammad) a witness against these?
2b. 016.089 And (bethink you of) the day when We raise in every nation a
witness against them of their own folk, and We bring THEE (Muhammad) as
a WITNESS against these. And We reveal the Scripture unto thee as an
exposition of all things.
3. 008.017 Ye slew them not, but Allah slew them.
And thou (Muhammad)threwest not
when thou didst throw but Allah threw,
that He might TEST the believers
by a fair TEST from Him.
4. a. 048.010 Lo! those who swear allegiance unto THEE (Muhammad),
swear allegiance unto ALLAH.
b. ALLAH'S HAND is UPON their hands.
c. while whosoever keepeth his COVENANT WITH ALLAH,
-----------
ALLAH HAS REVEALED THE _D_I_V_I_N_I_T_Y_ OF THE HOLY PROPHET (SAS)
IN THESE VERSES BEYOND A SHADOW OF DOUBT.
Does it matter what a disbeliever thinks when Allah's word is very
clear in it means?
HADITH RE: THE KABAH
The Holy Prophet said:
I would have dismantled the Ka'ba :
Hadith by Sahih Bukhari.
Volume 1, Book 3, Number 128:
Narrated Aswad:
Ibn Az-Zubair said to me, "Aisha used to tell you secretly a
number of things. What did she tell you about THE KA達A?" I
replied, "She told me that once THE PROPHET SAID 'O 'Aisha!
Had not your people been still close to the pre-Islamic period
of ignorance (infidelity)!
I WOULD HAVE DISMANTLED THE KA達A
and would have made two doors in it; one for entrance and the
other for exit." Later on Ibn Az-Zubair did the same.
---------------
Salaam,
Navali
MOHAMMED HANIF
divine?
If so, none of the verses you quote bear you out.
Are you a Sunni Muslim or a shia. I can'y understand your madness.
Also, Please provide the actual Arabic that is translated as "devotion" and
"worship". I won't debate with you based upon a translation.
Navali wrote in message <37E3B4BE...@cybersurf.com>...
MOHAMMED HANIF
Massoud Ajami wrote in message ...
>X-no-archive: yes
<aax...@hemscott.net> writes:
>>From: "MOHAMMED HANIF" <aax...@hemscott.net>
>>Subject: Re: YA ALI MADAD -- *IN THE HOLY QUR'AN*
>
>
>>If all things have a purpose, what is the purpose of allowing Abu Bakr and
>>~Umar to be buried alongside their blessed son-in-law? EXCEPT TO HONOUR
THEM
>>AND TO GIVE THEM THE STATION IN DEATH THAT THEY HAD IN LIFE.
>
>>If they became apostates, then there is no hope for the rest of us AND
ISLAM
>>IS A FAILURE.
>
>become apostates to carry. If they failed, they failed not Islam. Ayeh
>Fitrat, it say "Farara al-naaso aleihaa," meaning we are created based on
>the religion of God, Islam, not the other way around.
>
Friend, you have not answered my question. If everything is ordained by
Allah and everything that Allah ordains has a purpose, please will you
inform me what was Allah's purpose in allowing Sayyidna Abu Bakr Siddiq and
Sayyidna Umar in being buried in the most honoured place in creation
alongside the Blessed Prophet, peace be upon him?
The only reasonable answer is that He meant to honour and sanctify them and
to allow them in death the company of him whom they loved more than all
else.
If they were, God forbid, apostates this should cetainly not be the
outcome. Consider that the burial place of Abu Jahl was the well of Badr
were the Arabs used to throw there filth.
Use your wisdom.
>>Secondly, there is no unequivocal statement in the Quran supporting the
>>Shiite claim that Sayyidna Ali was to be the successor of the Prophet.
>>Considering that Shias claim that belief in the imamate of Ali is
>>fundemental to Islam, one would expect it to be mentioned in the Quran.
>
>>In all the translations that i have read I have not read an aayah that
>>unequivocally (or even equivocally) names Sayyidna Ali as the successor to
>>the Prophet, peace be upon him. If there is, please supply it as you would
>>have found a convert.
>
>Since you mentioned it, I took the liberty to post a three part article
>about the subject which was posted while back by one of our brother.
>
I note again that you have not provided an *unequivocal* verse from the
Quran that Sayyidna Ali was to be the Prophet's successor.
Were is Sayyidna Ali mentioned by name so that there is no doubt?
>Revelation of Verse 5:67
> "O Apostle! Deliver what has been sent down to you from your Lord; and
> if you don't do it, you have not delivered His (entire) message; and
> Allah will protect you from the people ..." (Quran 5:67).
>The last sentence in the above verse indicates that the Prophet (PBUH&HF)
>was afraid of the reaction of his people in delivering that message but
>Allah informs him not to worry, for He will protect His Messenger from
>people.
>
>Revelation of Verse 5:3
> "Today I have completed your religion and my bounty upon you, and I
> was satisfied that Islam be your religion." (Quran 5:3)
>
>The above verse clearly indicates that Islam without clearing up matter of
>succession and leadership after Prophet was not complete, and completion of
>religion was due to announcement of Prophet's immediate successor.
>
Friend, where in this verse (5:3) does it mention the imamate of Sayyidna
Ali or the question of succeccion and leadership?
Your assertion that the verse relates to these issues is based on you own
particular interpretation.
It is not an unequivocal statement about Ali.
>
>===================================
>The Number of People in Ghadir Khum
>===================================
>It was Allah's will that an increased popularity is associated with this
>tradition via the tongs of narrators and over the times. So that there is a
>standing proof for the guiding Imam (peace be upon him). Allah ordered His
>Prophet (PBUH&HF) to notify people at a time of crowded populous so that
>all become the narrators of the tradition, while they exceeded a hundred
>thousand.
>
> Narrated by Zaid Ibn Arqam: Abu al-Tufail said: "I heard it from
> the Messenger of Allah, and there was no one (there) unless he
> saw him with his eyes and heard him with his ears."
>
>It is also reported that:
>
> "The Messenger of Allah called at the height of his voice."
>
>>
> "There were with the Messenger (PBUH) from the companions, Arabs,
> residents around Mecca and Medina one hundred and twenty thousand
> (120,000) and they are those who were present in the Farewell
> Pilgrimage and heard this speech."
>
This is the heart of the issue!!!
I find it impossible to believe it reasonable that out of 120,000 Muslims,
all but four or a handful at best deliberately disregarded a categorical
command of Allah and His Prophet. Shia's have to maintain that they did do
so and this is precisely were the whole thing falls down. These people gave
up everything for the Prophet. Why would they disobey him in the end?
Tell me, do you believe that out of the 120,000 Muslims who heard the
Prophet's words all apostacised after his death apart from Abu Dharr, Amr
ibn Yassir, and Salman, may Allah be pleased with them all.
Is it not more reasonable to assume that they understood by "mawla"
something other than what you understand by it?
I haven't got a classical Arabic dictionary at hand, but I bet that the
meaning of "mawla" is a lot less clear-cut than you imagine.
And obvoiusly, there are valid Sunni interpretrations about the incident at
Gadir al Khum which I could track down if I had the time.
>==========================
>Revelation of Verse 70:1-3
>==========================
>Some Sunni commentators further assert that the first three verse of the
>chapter of al-Ma'arij (70:1-3) was revealed when a dispute arose after
>Prophet reached Medina. It is recorded that:
>
> On the day of Ghadir the Messenger of Allah summoned the people
> toward Ali and said: "Ali is the MAWLA of whom I am MAWLA." The news
> spread quickly all over urban and rural areas. When Harith Ibn Nu'man
> al-Fahri came to know of it, he rode his camel and came to Medina and
> went to the Messenger of Allah (PBUH&HF) and said to him: "You
> commanded us to testify that there is no deity but Allah and that you
> are the Messenger of Allah. We obeyed you. You ordered us to perform
> the prayers five times a day and we obeyed. You ordered us to observe
> fasts during the month of Ramadhan and we obeyed. Then you commanded
> us to offer pilgrimage to Mecca and we obeyed. But you are not
> satisfied with all this and you raised your cousin by your hand and
> imposed him upon us as our master by saying `Ali is the MAWLA of
> whom I am MAWLA.' Is this imposition from Allah or from You?" The
> Prophet (PBUH&HF) said : "By Allah who is the only deity! This is from
> Allah, the Mighty and the Glorious."
>
> On hearing this Harith turned back and proceeded towards his she-camel
> saying: "O Allah! If what Muhammad said is correct then fling on us a
> stone from the sky and subject us to severe pain and torture."
> He had not reached his she-camel when Allah, who is above all defects
> flung at him a stone which struck him on his head, penetrated his body
> and passed out through his lower body and left him dead. It was on
> this occasion that Allah, the exalted, caused to descend the first
> three verses of Chapter 70:
>
> "A questioner questioned about the punishment to fall. For the
> disbelievers there is nothing to avert it, from Allah the Lord of the
> Ascent." (70:1-3)
>
>A more detailed speech of Prophet at the Pond of Khum
>======================================================
>First the Messenger of Allah praised Almighty and then addressed People:
>
> (snip)
> "Time has come back to its original state which it had when Allah
>created the Heavens and the Earth. The number of months in the sight of
>Allah is twelve (i.e., twelve Imams). Four of them (i.e., Imam Ali, Hasan,
>Husain, and al-Mahdi) are sacred (i.e., will rise for power), three out of
>these four are consecutive (i.e., the rising of Ali, Hasan, and Husain). Do
>not sin against your souls in their periods (by disobeying them. See Quran
>9:36). Postponement of a sacred month (i.e., delay in accepting their
>leadership) is only an excess of disbelief whereby those who disbelieve are
>misled; they permit what God has forbidden, and forbid what God has
>allowed."
This is precissely what Sunnis claim Shia's do with the Quran: FAR FETCHED
INTERPRETATION
to whit: what reasonable ground is it for you to interpret "the number of
months in the sight of Allah is twelve" to mean that there are twelve imams
and that the four sacred months refers to Ali, Hassan, Hussain and Al-Mahdi?
This is completely arbitary. I don't know how I can take you seriously after
this. he Prophet said *months* and not imam. Is "month" a synonym for
"imam" in Arabic?
My dear friend, that 120,000 companions were motivated by worldy vanity and
that only a handful stayed true to the Prophet demeans his noble life and
his struggle.
hanif.
MOHAMMED HANIF
Massoud Ajami wrote in message ...
>====================================
>The Meaning Wali, Mawla, and Wilayah
>====================================
(snip)
As far as I can judge you make a pretty good case. But, this polemic is not
new, I believe I have read a lot of refutations of what Shias assert about
the meaning of "mawla". No doubt if i read those again they would be just as
convincing.
If MAWLA means what you say it does then why did the companions of the
Prophet not choose Ali, even in opposition to those who met at Saqifah Bani
Saiida.
After all it was an obligation on them. Why did Ali give allegiance to Abu
Bakr, Umar and Uthman?
Why did Ali give his daughter in marriage to Umar, whom you claim was an
apostate?
Anyone can argue till their blue in the face about semantics and
interpretation of words but these facts cannot be ignored and are difficult
to intrpret in a way favourable to the Shia cause.
We Sunnis love the Prophet and all his companions. You love the Prophet and
no more than four. the rest you abuse. You evcen abuse his wives. I have
read quotations about what you believe will happen to Sayyida HAfsa and
Sayyida Aisha, may Allah be pleased with them.
How can you hate the wives of the Prophet when he loved them?
How can you bot be pleased with the people of Badr and Hudaybia when Allah
says HE is pleased with them?
In your hearts you must believe that Allah nade a mistake in choosing the
companions He did for His last messenger.
I feel deeply sorry for you. Just think about the implications of your
beliefs.
There is no wisdom and sense of shame in your assertions.
Navali
MOHAMMED HANIF <aax...@hemscott.net> wrote in message
news:7s3gfv$ae2$1...@lure.pipex.net...
: Excuse me, but are you claiming that the Prophet, peace be upon him, is
: >number of things. What did she tell you about THE KA'BA?" I
: >replied, "She told me that once THE PROPHET SAID 'O 'Aisha!
: >Had not your people been still close to the pre-Islamic period
: >of ignorance (infidelity)!
: >
: > I WOULD HAVE DISMANTLED THE KA'BA
: >
: >and would have made two doors in it; one for entrance and the
:
:
Massoud Ajami
>From: DELETE_Mas...@sdsu.edu (Massoud Ajami)
>Subject: Re: YA ALI MADAD -- *IN THE HOLY QUR'AN* (Reference 2)
>Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 08:25:55
>Because Omar broke his wife (dauther of YOUR beloved prophet, and put roap
>on Ali's neck, and dragged him for alliance.
Let me correct it.
Because Omar broke his wife (dauther of YOUR beloved Prophet) ribs and
caused her to miscariage, and put rope on Ali's neck, and dragged him to
give alliance to Abu Bakr.
(Lack of coffee do you harm.) :) :)
MOHAMMED HANIF
supports your interpretation of these Quranic verses?
Navali wrote in message <37E39D83...@cybersurf.com>...
>
>ahahahhahahahaha -- who is playing God here?????
>
>
>
>AltWay wrote:
>>
>> In article <7ronmf$q0e$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, kena...@my-deja.com wrote:
>>
>> Comment :-
>> I know how I would react to these notions, and I expect others to react
to
>> them in the same way.
>>
>> But this reaction is the only one I can have from the explanation you
gave.
>> That is why I posted them twice. I thought you would have realised
this!!!
>>
>> I was hoping that you would show me some other way of interpreting what
you
>> said for not only my enlightenment but that of others.
>> Would I have bothered continuing to write otherwise?
>>
>> But either you have no other explanation or you do not want to give it to
>> us. Why then continue to write.
>>
>> But note that I do not use abusive words about you.
>>
>> Navali :-
>> > If you want answers to your questions then LEARN to ask them and also
>> > respect the beliefs of others, regardless. And please don't try to
>> > mislead other Muslims through your false piety or incite something here
>> > because that is your usual practice. Your record speaks for itself.
>>
>> H.S.Aziz
>>
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MOHAMMED HANIF
Massoud Ajami wrote in message ...
>In article <7s3jiv$dnk$1...@lure.pipex.net> "MOHAMMED HANIF">>Subject: Re: YA ALI MADAD -- *IN THE HOLY QUR'AN* (Reference 1)
>>Date: Sun, 19 Sep 1999 22:15:51 +0100
>
>
>
>>This is the heart of the issue!!!
>
>>I find it impossible to believe it reasonable that out of 120,000 Muslims,
>>all but four or a handful at best deliberately disregarded a categorical
>>command of Allah and His Prophet. Shia's have to maintain that they did do
>>so and this is precisely were the whole thing falls down. These people
gave
>>up everything for the Prophet. Why would they disobey him in the end?
>
>>Tell me, do you believe that out of the 120,000 Muslims who heard the
>>Prophet's words all apostacised after his death apart from Abu Dharr, Amr
>
>Ten thousand zeros would not add up to one!
>
>Where were one of those 120,000 for burial of the Prophet? No one showed
>up, and you say "These people gave up everything for the Prophet"? It seems
>that, what they all learned was to "leave your dead and go for the power."
>
>I hope the God Almighty "mahshoor" you with Abu Baker, Omar and Othman!
>This, is the grant of your wish I believe.
>
Considering that Abu Bakr and Umar are alongside the Prophet: thank you for
such a wonderful prayer.
Please tell me, I think I am asking for the third time, WHAT IS ALLAH'S
PURPOSE IN ALLOWING ABU BAKR AND UMAR TO BE BURIED ALONGSIDE HIS BELOVED?
IT WOULD BE PERVERSE FOR ALLAH TO ALLOW HIS ENEMIES TO SHARE THE COMPANY OF
HIS BELOVED PROPHET.
If you are simply going to insult me then please don't bother to reply. It
is against your religion.
hanif
MOHAMMED HANIF
Massoud Ajami wrote in message ...
Please go back to my previous email and answer my questions. Especially
about providing an unequivocal quote from the Quran to back your assertions
about Sayyidna Ali. Also, can you please explain to me why you interpret
"twelve months" to mean "twelve imams". I want to undertand your position
for doing so as it seems wholly arbitary to me.
Also, the fabrication about Sayyidna Umar is fanciful. Qoute me the sunni
sources who agree that this event happened. You seem to be fond of quotinf
sunni's when it suites you.
And please explain to me why Sayyidna Ali gave his daughter in marriage to
Sayyidna Umar when you claim that Umar was responsible for the death of
Ali's wife, the blessed daughter of the Prophet, peace be upon him.
It does not make sense. For Ali to give his daughter in marriage to the
killer of his wife.
Please answer this question and do not reply with a sarcastic etc. comment.
Misunderstandings are all to easy in this sort of forum, please I assure you
that my questions are genuine and I really do wish to know your answers to
my questions as I want to know more about Shiaism.
hanif.
MOHAMMED HANIF
do is assert your claim without making any justification and you simply
ignore any facts that cast doubt on your position.
Obviously, none of the points you or I have made are original but have been
garnered from others. I have read all the points you have made before in
shia apologetics as you have no doubt mine in sunni apologetics.
It still shouldn't have stopped us discussing the issues for ourselves.
Wa'ssalaam,
hanif.
Massoud Ajami wrote in message ...
>X-no-archive: yes
>In article <7s5pha$b0c$1...@lure.pipex.net> "MOHAMMED HANIF"
<aax...@hemscott.net> writes:
>>From: "MOHAMMED HANIF" <aax...@hemscott.net>
>>Subject: Re: YA ALI MADAD -- *IN THE HOLY QUR'AN* (Reference 1)
>>Date: Mon, 20 Sep 1999 18:10:06 +0100
>
>>>I hope the God Almighty "mahshoor" you with Abu Baker, Omar and Othman!
>>>This, is the grant of your wish I believe.
>>>
>>Considering that Abu Bakr and Umar are alongside the Prophet: thank you
for
>>such a wonderful prayer.
>
>>Please tell me, I think I am asking for the third time, WHAT IS ALLAH'S
>>PURPOSE IN ALLOWING ABU BAKR AND UMAR TO BE BURIED ALONGSIDE HIS BELOVED?
>
>I don't care. There was no reason ecxept some cruppted people were trying
to
>buy them dignity. Look were Othman was burid; outside of Baghia cemetery,
>why? Because he was a crrupt ruler and even people of his own time didn't
>want him to be buried whith other respected ons, and later, Moaviyeh (LA)
>bought the land next to the cemetery from Jewish people and augmented to
>Baghiea and today Othman is buried in Baghie.
>
>It seemes you have lost the reality of the religion, and putting your
>argument about who was dead where.
>
>
>>IT WOULD BE PERVERSE FOR ALLAH TO ALLOW HIS ENEMIES TO SHARE THE COMPANY
OF
>>HIS BELOVED PROPHET.
>
>>If you are simply going to insult me then please don't bother to reply. It
>>is against your religion.
>
>
>>hanif
>
>Remember the Quran 6:110 I wrote, go figure out what "Awwala marrata"
>actualy means and adjust yourself to the understanding of it. At least read
>some theology (this is not an insult rather a friendly advice) that you can
>argu about the facts. When you find where "Awwala Marata" would lead you,
>then, you understand that the Prophet said:
>
>"konto nabiyyan wa aadama beinal maae watteen."
>
>Being buried next to the Prophet wouldn't serve one if one is your foe.
Dirt
>is cheap and that, is not the reson that the grave of Prophet is holy!
>
>
>Wasalam.
Navali
MOHAMMED HANIF <aax...@hemscott.net> wrote in message
news:7s5ovc$aem$1...@lure.pipex.net...
: Can you quote one relable authority (other than your esteemed self) who
: supports your interpretation of these Quranic verses?
:
:
:
: Navali wrote in message <37E39D83...@cybersurf.com>...
: >
: >ahahahhahahahaha -- who is playing God here?????
: >
: : >
: >Lakum Diinukum--Unto you your Religion
: >WA LIYA DIIN--AND UNTO ME MY RELIGION
: > Kaafiruun--Disbelievers - Surah 109:6
: >
: > Navali
: >http://roswell.fortunecity.com/psychic/435/index.html
:
:
AltWay
Navali has now made his position clear i.e He thinks Ali is Allah.
That is all I wanted to know. Therefore, I have nothing further to say.
As promised, I will now leave him alone.
Navali
this what you think i've said?? why leave me alone -- LEAVE THE HOLY
QUR'AN ALONE if you've your own ideas about ISLAM????
Navali
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