Why not Christianity? --- Who Was Jesus?
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Who Was Jesus?
The Bible gave a warning about a dangerous, false prophet who would arise to
test our faith in G-d. In Deuteronomy 13, G-d describes this false prophet
as a member of the Jewish people (v. 2, 7) who would tell true prophecies
and would have the power of miracles. G-d Himself would give this false
prophet the power to perform miracles and reveal prophecy, but the false
prophet would try to seduce the people away from G-d's Law and towards
strange gods unknown to Judaism. The purpose would be to test whether we are
truly committed to living under the Law, or whether we will be dazzled and
fall for the temptation to join a false path to salvation (v. 3-6, 7-8, 11).
In this Biblical passage, G-d repeatedly commands the Jews to kill this
false prophet, lest the evil spread and destroy many souls.
To be accepted by the people, the false prophet would sometimes pretend to
be a righteous Jew who fulfills the Law, but at key moments he would turn
against certain details of the Law in order to make the breach (v. 6, 7).
This is the reason that verse 1 commands us not to add or subtract any
details from the Law, and verse 5 warns us to remain steadfast with all the
traditions of the Law.
In Deuteronomy 17, this false prophet is also described as someone who would
rebel against the authority of the judges of the Jewish people, and who
should be put to death for his rebelliousness (v. 8-13, esp. v. 12). Who are
the judges? The highest court in Israel was the Sanhedrin, which was
established by Moses (Exodus 18:13-26; Numbers 11:16-29), and which lasted
more than 15 centuries. The members of the Sanhedrin were the rabbis known
as "Pharisees" (Pirushim, "those with the explanation"). G-d gave permanent
authority to these judges to interpret the Law and G-d's Word, and it is a
commandment to follow their decisions without turning even slightly to the
right or the left (Deut. 17:11). But the false prophet would challenge the
authority of the Sanhedrin, thus revealing himself to be an evil man.
In the book of the prophet Daniel, this false prophet is described as a king
(the eleventh horn on a terrible beast) who would wage war against the Jews
(the "holy ones"; see Deut. 14:2 on this term) and would change the Law -
including the calendar and the holidays (Daniel 7:8, 20-25). Elsewhere, this
false prophet is described as a king who would disregard the G-d of his
fathers, exalting himself as a god and giving honor to this new god-head
(Daniel 11:36-39).
The man known today as "Jesus" fulfilled all these prophecies. He became a
"king" (over the Christian church) who changed the original Law, doing away
with the Hebrew calendar and the Biblical holidays (Rosh Hashanah, Yom
Kippur, Sukkos - the Festival of Tabernacles, Passover, etc.). He
disregarded the one, infinite G-d of the Hebrew Bible in favor of a new
"trinity" that included himself. And he repeatedly broke the Law by
committing terrible sins, while openly challenging the G-d-given authority
of the rabbis of the Sanhedrin.
Naturally, Jesus did sometimes pretend to respect the Law, but whenever he
thought he could get away with it, he turned right around and broke that
same Law. In Matthew 5:17-19, he declared that he came to fulfill the Law,
and in Matthew 23:1-3 he defended the authority of the rabbis. But the rest
of the time, he rebelled against the Law - thus showing that his occasional
words of piety were meant only to hide his evil agenda. The following sins
of Jesus are recorded in the "New Testament":
1) Jesus repudiated the laws of kosher food (Mark 7:18-19). [Compare this to
the prophet Daniel's strict adherence to kashrus, in Daniel chapter 1.]
2) He repudiated the laws of honoring one's parents, and called on his
followers to hate their parents; he also dishonored his own mother (Matthew
10:34-36; Matthew 12:46-50; Luke 14:26).
3) He violated the Sabbath by picking grain, and incited his disciples to do
the same (Matthew 12:1-8; Mark 2:23-26).
4) He again violated the Sabbath by healing a man's arm, which was not a
matter of saving a life, and he openly defied the rabbis in his total
repudiation of the Sabbath (Matthew 12:9-13; Mark 3:1-5). [Compare this to
G-d's view of violating the Sabbath, in Numbers 15:32-36, Nehemiah 10:30-32,
and dozens of other places throughout the Bible.]
5) Jesus brazenly defied and disobeyed the rabbis of the Sanhedrin,
repudiating their authority (This is recorded in many places throughout the
New Testament, but look especially at Matthew 23:13-39 and John 8:44-45).
The Talmud (Babylonian edition) records other sins of "Jesus the Nazarene":
1) He and his disciples practiced sorcery and black magic, led Jews astray
into idolatry, and were sponsored by foreign, gentile powers for the purpose
of subverting Jewish worship (Sanhedrin 43a).
2) He was sexually immoral, worshipped statues of stone (a brick is
mentioned), was cut off from the Jewish people for his wickedness, and
refused to repent (Sanhedrin 107b; Sotah 47a).
3) He learned witchcraft in Egypt and, to perform miracles, used procedures
that involved cutting his flesh - which is also explicitly banned in the
Bible (Shabbos 104b).
The false, rebellious message of Jesus has been thoroughly rejected by the
vast majority of the Jewish people, as G-d commanded. Unfortunately,
however, this same message has brought a terrible darkness upon the world;
today, over 1.5 billion gentiles believe in Jesus. These lost souls
mistakenly think they have found salvation in Jesus; tragically, they are in
for a rude awakening. Truth and eternal life are found directly from G-d,
through performing His Law. Any "mediator" only separates man from G-d:
1) "G-d is not a man, who can lie, nor the son of man, who relents.. He has
not beheld iniquity in Jacob, nor has He seen perverseness in Israel"
(Numbers 23:19).
2) Speaking prophetically of the Christian church, Moses declared, "For
their 'rock' is not like our Rock.. Where is their god, in whom they
trusted?" (Deut. 32:31, 37).
3) "'See now that I, only I, am He, and there is no god with Me. I kill, and
I bring to life; I wound, and I heal, and there is none who can rescue from
My Hand.'. Sing songs of joy, gentiles, with His people, for He will avenge
the blood of His servants, and will take vengeance on His enemies, and will
forgive His land and His people" (Deut. 32:39, 43).
4) "I, only I am Hashem (the L-rd), and besides Me there is no savior"
(Isaiah 43:11).
5) "I am the First and I am the Last; besides me there is no god.. Is there
a god besides Me? There is no rock; I do not know any" (Isaiah 44:6).
6) "Israel is saved in Hashem with an eternal salvation.. Assemble
yourselves and come, come near together, you gentiles who have escaped [the
judgment]. (They have no knowledge, those who carry wooden sculptures and
who pray to a god that does not save.) Announce and bring near, even take
counsel together: Who declared this from ancient times, and announced it
from then? Is it not I, Hashem? And there are no other gods beside Me, nor
any righteous and saving god other than Me. Turn to Me and be saved, all
ends of the earth, for I am G-d and there is none else. By Myself I swore, a
righteous word went out of my mouth and it will not be withdrawn, that to Me
every knee will bow and every tongue will swear" (Isaiah 45:17, 20-23).
What is the true key to salvation? Those who return to the Law (the Seven
Commandments for the Children of Noah, according to the eternal covenant
made with Noah in Genesis 9) and who assist the Jewish people (Isaiah 60,
61, 66) will be saved and will participate in the miracles and revelations,
including worshipping in the Third Temple, under the kingship of the
Messiah. As described in many places, including Jeremiah 16:19-21 and
Zechariah 8:20-23, all the old gentile religions of the world will
disappear, and their followers will turn to the Jews for spiritual
leadership. Until then, Christians are spiritually blinded, and cannot yet
understand G-d's wisdom in the Bible.
In our day, the Messiah has finally arrived. For the first time in history,
there is a growing consensus of rabbis willing to name the Messiah, and they
are agreeing that he is the Lubavitcher Rebbe, Rabbi Menachem Mendel
Schneerson. The Rebbe is the spiritual leader of our generation, a true
prophet who has upheld the Law perfectly and who has worked mightily to
strengthen the observance of the Law by Jews, as well as the observance of
the Noachide Law by gentiles. Through his teaching of chasidus (Jewish
mystical teachings, preserved from Moses and Mount Sinai), he has taught the
world that G-d is One, the Infinite Who renews creation at every moment. The
Rebbe is a direct descendant of King David, and many rabbis are now prepared
to crown him as the King Messiah. Indeed, they are eagerly anticipating the
Rebbe's resurrection from the grave, ready to re-establish the Sanhedrin and
anoint the king.
Our job is to finish preparing the way, by announcing the truth and bringing
all of mankind back to the Law immediately. Then we shall shortly see the
miraculous redemption with our own eyes!
Glenn Wright
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There were boatloads of false messiahs in the
centuries around the time of Christ. Simon
Bar-Kochba was just one of the more well-known
ones. I thought Moslems respected Jesus as
a great prophet--second only to Mohammed.
Your rather far-fetched post calling Jesus the
false prophet doesn't equate with my understanding
of Islam. Besides, silly Muslim, everyone knows
that Mohammed was the false prophet foretold
in the Old Testament :-)
Glenn Wright
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The members of the Sanhedrin were the rabbis known
> as "Pharisees" (Pirushim, "those with the explanation").
Your etymology is wrong again, Navali.
"Pharisee" comes from the Aramaic "perishayya"
meaning "the separated ones." A related word is
mentioned in Daniel at Belshazzar's Feast when
the handwriting on the wall appears:
MENE MENE TEKEL UPARSHIN
"A mina, a mina, a shekel, divide"
"Uparshin" is related to the Semitic root
P(or F) -- R -- S(or SH)
Navali
of Paul [Pharisee] in the light of Jesus' curses. Please clear these facts
for me if you will:
PAUL CLAIMS TO BE A PHARISEE:
Acts 26:5 Which knew me [PAUL] from the beginning, if they would testify,
that after the most straitest sect of our religion I lived a Pharisee.
Philippians 3:5 Circumcised the eighth day, of the stock of Israel, of the
tribe of Benjamin, an Hebrew of the Hebrews; as touching the law, a
Pharisee;
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WHEREAS JESUS CURSES THEM OPENLY:
Matthew 3:7 But when he saw many of the Pharisees and Sadducees come to his
baptism, he said unto them, O generation of vipers, who hath warned you to
flee from the wrath to come?
Matthew 5:20 For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed
the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter
into the kingdom of heaven.
Matthew 23:13 But woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye
shut up the kingdom of heaven against men: for ye neither go in yourselves,
neither suffer ye them that are entering to go in.
Matthew 23:14 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour
widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall
receive the greater damnation.
Matthew 23:15 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye
compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him
twofold more the child of hell than yourselves.
Matthew 23:23 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay
tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters
of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not
to leave the other undone.
Matthew 23:25 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make
clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of
extortion and excess.
Matthew 23:26 Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the
cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also.
Matthew 23:27 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are
like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are
within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness.
Matthew 23:29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye
build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the
righteous,
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1. Peter, the rock and foundation of the Christian church was
declared to be Satan by Jesus. Peter in turn, forsook and cursed Jesus in
the end, who was also forsaken by God
2. Simon, the Canaanite was Jesus' hand-picked apostle and disicple. The
Canaanites were cursed by God and abhorred by Abraham.
3. Judas, a DEVIL was also chosen by Jesus himself as his apostle.
All of these will judge the 12 tribes of Israel on the judgment day with
Jesus.
And finally, Paul, a Pharisee and founder of Pauline Christianity was openly
cursed by Jesus, as were all the Pharisees and Sadducees
Some track record we have here don't we?
Navali
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> The members of the Sanhedrin were the rabbis known
> > as "Pharisees" (Pirushim, "those with the explanation").
> Your etymology is wrong again, Navali.
> "Pharisee" comes from the Aramaic "perishayya"
> meaning "the separated ones." A related word is
> mentioned in Daniel at Belshazzar's Feast when
> the handwriting on the wall appears:
> MENE MENE TEKEL UPARSHIN
> "A mina, a mina, a shekel, divide"
> "Uparshin" is related to the Semitic root
> P(or F) -- R -- S(or SH)
>
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Navali
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> The members of the Sanhedrin were the rabbis known
> > as "Pharisees" (Pirushim, "those with the explanation").
> Your etymology is wrong again, Navali.
> "Pharisee" comes from the Aramaic "perishayya"
> meaning "the separated ones." A related word is
> mentioned in Daniel at Belshazzar's Feast when
> the handwriting on the wall appears:
> MENE MENE TEKEL UPARSHIN
> "A mina, a mina, a shekel, divide"
> "Uparshin" is related to the Semitic root
> P(or F) -- R -- S(or SH)
>
>
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JESUS:
Mark 7:3 For the Pharisees, and all the Jews, except they wash their hands
oft, eat not, holding the tradition of the elders.
Luke 5:17 "And it came to pass on a certain day, as he was teaching, that
there were Pharisees and doctors of the law sitting by, which were come out
of every town of Galilee, and Judaea, and Jerusalem: and the power of the
Lord was present to heal them.42"
PAUL:
Acts 26:5 Which knew me from the beginning, if they would testify, that
Mark Radcliffe
> PAUL CLAIMS TO BE A PHARISEE:
Paul for a pharasee and then converted when he saw Jesus on the road the
damascus. Hence the saying
> 1. Peter, the rock and foundation of the Christian church was
> declared to be Satan by Jesus. Peter in turn, forsook and cursed Jesus in
> the end, who was also forsaken by God
Jesus often rebukes his followers because they say the wrong things. When
Jesus calls peter the devil he doesn't mean he is *actually* the devil he
means that what he is saying is influenced by the devil. Jesus was not
forsaken by God, that's just what he said on the cross.
> 2. Simon, the Canaanite was Jesus' hand-picked apostle and disicple.
The
> Canaanites were cursed by God and abhorred by Abraham.
Simon lived in Gallilee where Jesus lived. At the time Gallilee was a gentil
area. It is predicted by Mica that Jesus would come from this area. Jesus
picked his first deciples from this area and converted them.
Remember that it doesn't matter what they were before they converted to
Christ.
> 3. Judas, a DEVIL was also chosen by Jesus himself as his apostle.
This was too fulfill Isaiahs prophecies.
> All of these will judge the 12 tribes of Israel on the judgment day with
> Jesus.
Only Jesus will judge where did you read this ??
> And finally, Paul, a Pharisee and founder of Pauline Christianity was
openly
> cursed by Jesus, as were all the Pharisees and Sadducees
Is this what you said at the beginning or are specifically talking about
Jesus cursing Paul, because I don't remember Jesus doing this.
> Some track record we have here don't we?
Remember that people are converted who they are before doesn't matter.
M,
Glenn Wright
> Please clear these facts for me if you will:
> declared to be Satan by Jesus. Peter in turn, forsook and cursed Jesus in
> the end, who was also forsaken by God
Jesus as the Messiah and was entrusted with the welfare of the
Church by Jesus. Peter was human, and we can all draw encouragement
from the fact that Jesus did not choose the most virtuous or the
most sinless of His followers for this honor. Peter denied Christ
three times, but repented, and ended his life as a martyr for
Christ.
>
> 2. Simon, the Canaanite was Jesus' hand-picked apostle and disicple.
The
> Canaanites were cursed by God and abhorred by Abraham.
to a "Simon the Canaanite." But Jesus clearly did NOT abhor and
despise Canaanites. In Matthew 15:21-28, we read of the faith of
the
Canaanite woman whose daughter Jesus heals and whose faith he
admires. The parable of the Good Samaritan in Luke also clearly
teaches that we are to despise no one for his race, ethnicity, or
place of origin.
>
> 3. Judas, a DEVIL was also chosen by Jesus himself as his apostle.
Judas is not a devil. He was a misguided man who was tempted
to sin by the Devil. If he had repented instead of committing
suicide,
he could have been forgiven for his betrayal--just as Peter was
forgiven for his.
> And finally, Paul, a Pharisee and founder of Pauline Christianity was
openly
> cursed by Jesus, as were all the Pharisees and Sadducees
Jesus was probably raised as a Pharisee. Clearly his teaching
about the resurrection is in keeping with Pharisaic teaching
of the period, and in his public ministry, Jesus makes clear that
his mission is to purify and redeem the lost sheep of Israel.
Jesus is very clear in condemning the corrupt PRACTICES of
the Pharisees and Sadducees of his age (ostentatious public prayer
and almsgiving, emphasis on letter rather than spirit of Law,
overly fastidious rejection of non-Pharisees, etc.)
Peace--Glenn
Navali
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> > Please clear these facts for me if you will:
> > WHEREAS JESUS CURSES THEM OPENLY:
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> Paul for a pharasee and then converted when he saw Jesus on the road the
> damascus. Hence the saying
>
The Book of Acts records 3 versions of one and the same event -- and they
all contradict each other, at best -- or it records 3 separate incidences
during a single journey to Damacus like so:
1. Acts 22:6 And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come
nigh unto Damascus about noon, SUDDENLY THERE SHONE
FROM HEAVEN A GREAT LIGHT ROUND ABOUT ME.
Acts 22:7 AND I FELL UNTO THE GROUND, AND HEARD A VOICE
saying unto me, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Acts 22:8 And I answered, Who art thou, Lord? And he said unto me, I AM
JESUS OF NAZARETH, whom thou persecutest.
Acts 22:9 AND THEY THAT WERE WITH ME SAW INDEED THE
LIGHT, AND WERE AFRAID; BUT THEY HEARD NOT THE
VOICE OF HIM THAT SPAKE TO ME.
Acts 22:10 And I said, What shall I do, Lord? And THE LORD
SAID UNTO ME, ARISE, AND GO INTO DAMASCUS; AND
THERE IT SHALL BE TOLD THEE OF ALL THINGS WHICH ARE APPOINTED FOR THEE TO
DO.
Acts 22:11 And when I could not see for the glory of that light, being
led by the hand of them that were with me, I CAME INTO DAMASCUS.
Acts 22:14 And he said, THE GOD OF OUR FATHERS HATH CHOSEN THEE, THAT THOU
SHOULDEST KNOW HIS WILL,
AND SEE THAT JUST ONE, AND SHOULDEST HEAR THE
VOICE OF HIS MOUTH.
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2. Acts 9:3 And as he journeyed, he came near Damascus:
and suddenly THERE SHINED ROUND ABOUT HIM A LIGHT
FROM HEAVEN:
Acts 9:4 AND HE FELL TO THE EARTH, AND HEARD A
VOICE SAYING UNTO HIM, Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
Acts 9:5 And he said, Who art thou, Lord? And the Lord said, I
AM JESUS whom thou persecutest: it is hard for thee to kick against the
pricks.
Acts 9:6 And he trembling and astonished said, Lord, what wilt
thou have me to do? AND THE LORD SAID UNTO HIM, ARISE, AND GO INTO THE CITY,
AND IT SHALL BE TOLD THEE WHAT THOU MUST DO.
Acts 9:7 And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless, HEARING A
VOICE, BUT SEEING NO MAN.
Acts 9:11 AND THE LORD SAID UNTO HIM, Arise, and go into
the street which is called Straight, and inquire in the house of Judas
for one called SAUL, OF TARSUS: FOR, BEHOLD, he prayeth,
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3. Acts 26:13 At midday, O king, I saw in the way a light from
heaven, above the brightness of the sun, SHINING ROUND
ABOUT ME AND THEM WHICH JOURNEYED WITH ME.
Acts 26:14 And when we were all fallen to the earth, I heard a voice
speaking unto me, and saying in the Hebrew tongue, Saul, Saul, why
persecutest thou me? it is hard for thee to kick against the pricks.
Acts 26:15 And I said, Who art thou, Lord? And he said, I AM JESUS whomthou
persecutest.
Acts 26:16 But rise, and stand upon thy feet: FOR I HAVE APPEARED UNTO THEE
FOR THIS PURPOSE, TO MAKE
THEE A MINISTER AND A WITNESS both of these things which
thou hast seen, and of those things in the which I will appear unto
thee;
Acts 26:17 Delivering thee from the people, and from THE
GENTILES, UNTO WHOM NOW I SEND THEE,
Acts 26:19 Whereupon, O king Agrippa, I was not disobedient unto
the heavenly vision:
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Please reconcile the above flagrant contradictions before we look at Paul's
own mission and message