Muhammad Rapes little girls....one sick religion,
Aramathaia
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The thought of an old man becoming aroused by a child is one of the most
disturbing thoughts that makes us cringe as it reminds us of pedophilia and
the most despicable people. It is difficult to accept that the Holy Prophet
married Ayesha when she was 6-years-old and consummated his marriage with
her when she was 9. He was then, 54 years old.
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3310:
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported: Allah's Apostle (may peace be
upon him) married me when I was six years old, and I was admitted to his
house when I was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated
his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for
nine years (i.e., till his death).
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 65
Narrated 'Aisha:
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated
his marriage when she was nine years old. Hisham said: I have been informed
that 'Aisha remained with the Prophet for nine years (i.e. till his death)."
what you know of the Quran (by heart)'
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 88
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet wrote the (marriage contract) with 'Aisha while she was six
years old and consummated his marriage with her while she was nine years old
and she remained with him for nine years (i.e. till his death).
Some Muslims claim that it was Abu Bakr who approached Muhammad asking him
to marry his daughter. This is of course not true and here is the proof.
Sahih Bukhari 7.18
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said "But
I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in Allah's
religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to marry."
Arabs were a primitive lot with little rules to abide. Yet they had some
code of ethics that they honored scrupulously. For example, although they
fought all the year round, they abstained from hostilities during certain
holy months of the year. They also considered Mecca to be a holy city and
did not make war against it. A adopted son's wife was deemed to be a
daughter in law and they would not marry her. Also it was costmary that
close friends made a pact of brotherhood and considered each other as true
brothers. The Prophet disregarded all of these rules anytime they stood
between him and his interests or whims.
Abu Bakr and Muhammad had pledged to each other to be brothers. So according
to their costumes Ayesha was supposed to be like a niece to the Holy
Prophet. Yet that did not stop him to ask her hand even when she was only
six years old.
But this moral relativist Prophet would use the same excuse to reject a
woman he did not like.
Sahih Bukhari V.7, B62, N. 37
Narrated Ibn 'Abbas:
It was said to the Prophet, "Won't you marry the daughter of Hamza?" He
said, "She is my foster niece (brother's daughter). "
Hamza and Abu Bakr both were the foster brothers of Muhammad. But Ayesha
must have been too pretty for the Prophet to abide by the codes of ethics
and custom.
In the following Hadith he confided to Ahesha that he had dreamed of her
before soliciting her from her father.
Sahih Bukhari 9.140
Narrated 'Aisha:
Allah's Apostle said to me, "You were shown to me twice (in my dream) before
I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I
said to him, 'Uncover (her),' and behold, it was you. I said (to myself),
'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.' Then you were shown to me, the
angel carrying you in a silken piece of cloth, and I said (to him), 'Uncover
(her), and behold, it was you. I said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah,
then it must happen.' "
Whether Muhammad had actually such dream or he just said it to please Ayesha
is not the point. What matters here is that it indicates that Ayesaha was a
baby being "carried" by an angel when the Prophet dreamed of her.
There are numerous hadithes that explicitly reveal the age of Ayesha at the
time of her marriage. Here are some of them.
Sahih Bukhari 5.236.
Narrated Hisham's father:
Khadija died three years before the Prophet departed to Medina. He stayed
there for two years or so and then he married 'Aisha when she was a girl of
six years of age, and he consumed that marriage when she was nine years old.
Sahih Bukhari 5.234
Narrated Aisha:
The Prophet engaged me when I was a girl of six (years). We went to Medina
and stayed at the home of Bani-al-Harith bin Khazraj. Then I got ill and my
hair fell down. Later on my hair grew (again) and my mother, Um Ruman, came
to me while I was playing in a swing with some of my girl friends. She
called me, and I went to her, not knowing what she wanted to do to me. She
caught me by the hand and made me stand at the door of the house. I was
breathless then, and when my breathing became Allright, she took some water
and rubbed my face and head with it. Then she took me into the house. There
in the house I saw some Ansari women who said, "Best wishes and Allah's
Blessing and a good luck." Then she entrusted me to them and they prepared
me (for the marriage). Unexpectedly Allah's Apostle came to me in the
forenoon and my mother handed me over to him, and at that time I was a girl
of nine years of age.
And in another Hadith we read.
Sunan Abu-Dawud Book 41, Number 4915, also Number 4915 and Number 4915
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
The Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) married me when I was seven or six.
When we came to Medina, some women came. according to Bishr's version: Umm
Ruman came to me when I was swinging. They took me, made me prepared and
decorated me. I was then brought to the Apostle of Allah
(peace_be_upon_him), and he took up cohabitation with me when I was nine.
She halted me at the door, and I burst into laughter.
In the above hadith we read that Ayesha was swinging, This is a play of
little girls not grown up people. The following Hadith is particularly
interesting because it shows that Ayesha was so small that was not aware
what was going on when the Holy Prophet "surprised" her by going to her.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 7, Book 62, Number 90
Narrated Aisha:
When the Prophet married me, my mother came to me and made me enter the
house (of the Prophet) and nothing surprised me but the coming of Allah's
Apostle to me in the forenoon.
Must have been quite a surprise! But the following is also interesting
because it demonstrates that she was just a kid playing with her dolls. Pay
attention to what the interpreter wrote in the parenthesis. (She was a
little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty)
Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151
Narrated 'Aisha:
I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the Prophet, and my girl
friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle used to enter (my
dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call
them to join and play with me. (The playing with the dolls and similar
images is forbidden, but it was allowed for 'Aisha at that time, as she was
a little girl, not yet reached the age of puberty.) (Fateh-al-Bari page 143,
Vol.13)
Sahih Muslim Book 008, Number 3311
'A'isha (Allah be pleased with her) reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace
be upon him) married her when she was seven years old, and he was taken to
his house as a bride when she was nine, and her dolls were with her; and
when he (the Holy Prophet) died she was eighteen years old.
The holy Prophet died when he was 63. So he must have married Ayesha when he
as 51 and went to her when he was 54.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 8, Book 73, Number 33
Narrated 'Aisha:
I never felt so jealous of any woman as I did of Khadija, though she had
died three years before the Prophet married me, and that was because I heard
him mentioning her too often, and because his Lord had ordered him to give
her the glad tidings that she would have a palace in Paradise, made of Qasab
and because he used to slaughter a sheep and distribute its meat among her
friends.
Khadija died in December of 619 AD. That is two years before Hijra. At that
time the Prophet was 51-years-old. So in the same year that Khadija died the
prophet married Ayesha and took her to his home 3 years later, i.e. one year
after Hijra. But until she grow up he married Umm Salama.
In another part Ayesha claims that as long as she remembers her parents were
always Muslims.
Sahih Bukhari Volume 5, Book 58, Number 245
Narrated 'Aisha:
(the wife of the Prophet) I never remembered my parents believing in any
religion other than the true religion (i.e. Islam),
If Ayesha was older i.e. 16 or 18 as some Muslims claim, she would have
remembered the religion of her parents prior to becoming Muslims.
Now someone may still claim that all these hadithes are lies. People are
free to say whatever they want. But truth is clear like the Sun for those
who have eyes.
No sane person would be aroused by a 9-year-old child. Decent people wince
at the thought of this shameful act. Yet some Muslims deny them. The
question is why so many followers of Muhammad would fabricate so many false
hadithes about the age of Ayisha, which incidentally confirm each other?
I can tell you why people would attribute false miracles to their prophet.
Babis believe that Bab started to praise God as soon as he was born. There
is a Hadith like that also about Muhammad. Christians believe the birth of
the Christ was miraculous and the Jews believe Moses opened a dry passageway
through the Red See. Believers love to hear these stories. It confirms their
faith. There are many absurd miracles attributed to Muhammad in the
hadithes, despite the fact that he denied being able to perform any
miracles. But why should anyone fabricate a lie about the age of Ayisha that
would portray his Prophet as a pedophile?
PEM
"Aramathaia" <docto...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Girls are married in many countries at that age and even younger. I am not
saying it is right but a fact.
IRAN still have laws allowing marriage of girls from birth and to be
consumated at about 9.
Many african states have no age limit.
Mexico also have local laws allowing marriage ot nine.
Australia allowed 12 year old Girls to marry up to mid 1950s.
Some US native tribes also have such rules.
Phillipines still allow 12 year old Girls to get married.
Hollands age of consent are 12 and Spain 13.
It have always bein going on and still is.
PEM
Aramathaia
> Girls are married in many countries at that age and even younger. I am not
> saying it is right but a fact.
> IRAN still have laws allowing marriage of girls from birth and to be
> consumated at about 9.
> Many african states have no age limit.
> Mexico also have local laws allowing marriage ot nine.
> Australia allowed 12 year old Girls to marry up to mid 1950s.
> Some US native tribes also have such rules.
> Phillipines still allow 12 year old Girls to get married.
> Hollands age of consent are 12 and Spain 13.
> It have always bein going on and still is.
> PEM
>
Well its fucking disgusting any adult who does that to kid should have there
testicles removed with a butter knife, acid sprayed on there face and have
there eyelids removed.
And this Muhammed fuckwit started Islam and billions of people actually
follow this sick cunt.
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Boondock Saint
> "Aramathaia" <docto...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>>Ayesha the Child Wife of Muhammad
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>>faith. There are many absurd miracles attributed to Muhammad in the
>>hadithes, despite the fact that he denied being able to perform any
>>miracles. But why should anyone fabricate a lie about the age of Ayisha
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> that
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>>would portray his Prophet as a pedophile?
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> What is your point?
> Girls are married in many countries at that age and even younger. I am not
> saying it is right but a fact.
> IRAN still have laws allowing marriage of girls from birth and to be
> consumated at about 9.
> Many african states have no age limit.
> Mexico also have local laws allowing marriage ot nine.
> Australia allowed 12 year old Girls to marry up to mid 1950s.
> Some US native tribes also have such rules.
> Phillipines still allow 12 year old Girls to get married.
> Hollands age of consent are 12 and Spain 13.
> It have always bein going on and still is.
> PEM
How did you come about to memorize these statistics?
I have memorized similiar statistics about democracy which I defend, and
here, you defend pedophilia in this same way.
Is it not obvious?
It is true, many people do not know the difference between their left
hand and their right.
PEM
"Boondock Saint" <anon...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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I simply made a statement of facts.
Trey to go to www.ageofconsent.com and you will find out for yourself.
In those countries it was/is not regarded as pedophilia as such marriage is
legal.
If you where to molest a child not being your wife you would be punished
severely in most such countries.
In Turkey a convicted pedophile will be strapped to a table and his penis
sliced in half..lenghtwise, without anstetic.
PEM
PEM
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H. DICKMANN
> > What is your point?
> > Girls are married in many countries at that age and even younger. I am
not
> > saying it is right but a fact.
> > IRAN still have laws allowing marriage of girls from birth and to be
> > consumated at about 9.
> > Many african states have no age limit.
> > Mexico also have local laws allowing marriage ot nine.
> > Australia allowed 12 year old Girls to marry up to mid 1950s.
> > Some US native tribes also have such rules.
> > Phillipines still allow 12 year old Girls to get married.
The legal age to get married in the Philippines is 18 years. Girls under 21
years must have parental consent. Girls between 21 and 25 years must have
sought advise and guidance from their parents.
Jon
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> "Aramathaia" <docto...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > Ayesha the Child Wife of Muhammad
> What is your point?
> Girls are married in many countries at that age and even younger. I am not
> saying it is right but a fact.
> IRAN still have laws allowing marriage of girls from birth and to be
> consumated at about 9.
> Many african states have no age limit.
> Mexico also have local laws allowing marriage ot nine.
> Australia allowed 12 year old Girls to marry up to mid 1950s.
> Some US native tribes also have such rules.
> Phillipines still allow 12 year old Girls to get married.
> Hollands age of consent are 12 and Spain 13.
> It have always bein going on and still is.
> PEM
Here's an excerpt from a post a while back -
Subject: MUHAMMAD THE PEDOPHILE (3).
From: Anonymous...@See.Comment.Header (David)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.islam,aus.religion.islam,uk.religion.islam
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 7:57 PM
Message-ID: <MTX4TRQW3767...@anonymous.poster>
Ayesha, the Child Wife of Muhammad
By Ali Sina
<http://www.geocities.com/islampencereleri3/ayesha.htm>
...
Having sex with a minor may not have been immoral for Muhammad and his
contemporaries in that uncivilized culture, but it was ethically wrong.
If Muhammad was a messenger of God or an honorable man, as he made his
Allah to proclaim him thus, he should have known that what he was doing
was dishonorable and unethical.
Although it is true that in the past people married at very young age.
And it is also true that occasionally wealthy old men married very
young girls. We have to realize that these people acted on their
culture. We do not condemn them for they did not know better. What they
did was the norm. But we do condemn those cultures.
However, we cannot forgive with the same amnesty those who claimed to
be the standard of rectitude amongst mankind. If average people could
not distinguish the right from the wrong, the messengers of God, if
they were from God, should have known better. If their claim was true,
if their knowledge was divine, if they were inspired, they should not
have followed the tradition of their people but should have set the
example. Muhammad followed the morality of his people. But that
morality was ethically wrong. He claimed to be the best human and the
last messenger of God. According to him God has said to people all he
wanted to say in Quran and his religion is complete. There is no more
guidance to come and his examples and his teachings are all we need to
know and follow for eternity. Yet what he did and said, under the light
of modern values prove to be very wrong.
...
--
Jon
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"Going to war without France on our side is like going deer hunting
without an accordion." - H. Ross Perot.
IR
> > What is your point?
> > Girls are married in many countries at that age and even younger. I am
not
> > saying it is right but a fact.
> > IRAN still have laws allowing marriage of girls from birth and to be
> > consumated at about 9.
> > Many african states have no age limit.
> > Mexico also have local laws allowing marriage ot nine.
> > Australia allowed 12 year old Girls to marry up to mid 1950s.
> > Some US native tribes also have such rules.
> > Phillipines still allow 12 year old Girls to get married.
> > Hollands age of consent are 12 and Spain 13.
> > It have always bein going on and still is.
> > PEM
> >
>
> Well its fucking disgusting any adult who does that to kid should have
there
> testicles removed with a butter knife, acid sprayed on there face and have
> there eyelids removed.
Does what to a kid? It's THEIR cultures. If their
cultures allows marriages at that young an age
there must be a reason such as their life
expectancy could be 20 years of age and that means
that the culture MUST provide for marriages by
the age of 12 (as an example only.)
To us it sounds horrible, but it "may" be the only
way "that" culture can continue.
Chances are that such cultures won't surive
the 21st century.
ir
PEM
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> "Aramathaia" <docto...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > What is your point?
> > > Girls are married in many countries at that age and even younger. I am
> not
> > > saying it is right but a fact.
> > > IRAN still have laws allowing marriage of girls from birth and to be
> > > consumated at about 9.
> > > Many african states have no age limit.
> > > Mexico also have local laws allowing marriage ot nine.
> > > Australia allowed 12 year old Girls to marry up to mid 1950s.
> > > Some US native tribes also have such rules.
> > > Phillipines still allow 12 year old Girls to get married.
>
> The legal age to get married in the Philippines is 18 years. Girls under
21
> years must have parental consent. Girls between 21 and 25 years must have
> sought advise and guidance from their parents.
The PI laws regarding this are very confusing at times.
All Provinces have their own rules and laws and Manila have theirs, often
conflicting laws and rules.
The final outcome will be the desision of a Judge or in some provinces the
Baringay elders.
Parents permissen is needed for all under 21, but a Judge or Council elders
can take their place.
In southers provinces Girls can marry as young as 12 but the marriage can
not be registred with the National registry until they are 16. The Catholic
Church also require that they are 16 with Parents/and /or a Judges
permission if under 21.
Girls under 18 generally need both a guardian and a Judge permission.
I am not sure where you got the 21-25 information from but I will not say
you are wrong as ther are many By-Laws and even more loop holes in the
system.
The fact is an Australian can marry a Girl at 16 as this is Australian Law
as long as they get permission from the Australian Ambassy as well as
parents permission and get married before a Judge. A small fee too the Judge
will normally get a favourable desision.
Try to look at www.ageofconsent.com and click "Philippines."
PEM
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> > "Aramathaia" <docto...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > Ayesha the Child Wife of Muhammad
Interesting titbit from australia where all groups are treated equally, a
jewish lady and husband were before court for knocking of a lousy million or
so.
Judge said of course she couldnt go to jail, her religion would have made
her a victim, uncomfortable etc. etc so he excused her. then he had to
excuse husband because she had to have somebody look after her???
Like i told my girlfriend, of course he would have said the same about a
nice catholic girl????
Yes well the present issue is not anti semiticism, so stop screaming anti
semiticism and ans wer the question. Why are jews using their position in
our country only to further the interests of israel.
And you brought yourself centre stage, this isnt about catholics, the price
of beer or cigarettes.
it ios quite clearly about whether we should act on israeli instructions in
what is quite clearly israeli interests on israel sanitised information put
forward as the case.
THIS WHOLE ARGUMENT BETWEEN FELLOW CITIZENS BRINGS A WHOLE NEW MEANING
AUSTRALIA
And never mind a sanitised israeli version of the events to date.
And you rationalisation that it wont cost us money, it will cost us lives,
and even one life without good reason is to much.
We should not be in the two groups we are in now.With the cessation of the
cold war, israel has managed on its own to force two groups on the world.
Pro and anti israel, with israeli tenrtacles right into our government, the
liberals at the moment by the look of it.
Lets forget about Germany, forget about the past. The Jews stopped
whingeing , they can keep suing everybody.
Not that they did not go through a lot.
But I have an older relative who is lucky to have outlived the war. At the
time an absolutely silly young catholic woman in my eyes. But with with
german officers billeted in her home, she hid some jews in her warbrobe and
then got them away.
She was well aware of what would happen, because her husband had previously
been picked up, and when she got to see him, she could not recognise him.
He was so scared that she might become involved he told her to piss off,
and not to be silly coming round.
Now she told me that there were a lot of people that she knew that did the
same thing, and there was a lot of them that ended up facing the tender
mercies of the Gestapo.
In fact there were thousands of people that went to nazi prisons, for
helping jews.
I guess in the early days they just could not believe those nice german boys
could turn real nasty.
Others for simply being jewish sympathisers.
And active persons who even after they realised the danger, helped jews,
like the dutch people who helped hide anne franke’s family who get a
mention, and the thousands who don’t get a mention because no diaries or
other attractive evidence was left.
The Christian people that suffered as much as the jews. Who aren’t still
using the cruelty and unfairness of that period for profit.
To do exactly the same to other peoples that they apparently believe was
done to them.
With one cruel twist. Because the jews know that they would not get away
with it if the Christian population even suspected what they were up to they
would not support them.
The opposite view is suppressed, by law in some cases, by important news
sources being controlled by jews.
So that all we have ever seen is a view sanitised by israel.
And political control of the Christian countries to suppress, put up
rationalisations, and generally make sure that the Christians did not have
any evidence to make negative judgements on. Subletly done so as not to
attract attention.
The political control on all three Christian countries involved in the so
called willing , whats that mean, willing to accept jewish control without
question??
For the Christians in the last war, there has been no large payouts for
slave labor, loss of property, loss of opportunity by loss of education,
loss of family and friends.
No big land grants, huge loans, and quite possibly, as the jews are always
claiming, the sick, homeless and unemployed on our streets might well be the
result of WWII.
They have certainly been looked after, and no foolish offers to Christians.
One big land grab, financing, private financing. Aspparently some of the
well to do citizens don’t mind contributing to housing for people as long
as they are in Israel and are of the jewish fate.
Apparently this also applies to contributions for businesses, industries,
farmers, hospitals and whatever it takes in arms.
And the local Christians, as is our wont, suffer in silence.
Not that jews were even honest enough to admit that this was happening. And
if you commented you were immediately labelled a nazi or anti semitic.
Well in this clear cut case in the matter of iraq, we know exactly where the
government party in control and the jewish portion of our community stand.
In an action which only makes us a target for terrosists in a matter that
has only to do with the Israelis, where again rather than an honest do you
want to stick your neck out for jewish interests, we are lied to so badly
that anyone in the know is either giggling or bewildered depending on their
politics.
Which in this case is not the catholics, RSL, price of beer, but support for
Israel and support for Israel to kill arabs and extend their territory. And
that benefits only one group in our country.
Will the jews ever let us go.
We have become like the negros in arpatheid America, money is used as
efficiently as any ‘negros to the back of the bus ‘signs.
Most of the important people are to scared to talk, it could mean their
careers, on every interview you will not notice the difference, but if you
do not have the accepted views about Israel and the jews, that important
job might slip by.
Yeah well I don’t know whether we have just fallen into this just by
carelessness, but unless you are completed brain washed, it is obvious we
no longer have control of our country.
Well the yanks might be used to that, they are used to just asking how high
when asked to jump by the people in power, but we in Australia are not, we
expected the liberal party to be independent of influence of factional
interests.
However they are showing us just where we stand, labor or jews, not a free
capitalist party.
And the faceless jewish men running John howards liberal party is demanding
that we make ourselves targets for terrosists whether Israel is right or
wrong.
We take on nuclear armed north korea and china simply to expand israels
territory.
So like king I say we had a dream
We had a dream that we could treat jews fairly and our hospital system
would keep working because our jewish citizens voluntarily stopped
sending all their money to Israel.
We had a dream that we could treat jews fairly and our homeless again
because our jewish citizens voluntarily stopped sending all their money
to Israel homeless and used that money locally.
We had a dream that we could treat jews fairly and our mental hospitals
could open again because we weren’t putting all our money into weapons for
Israel.
We had a dream that we could treat jews fairly and our jewish neighbours
would treat us fairly and not get strung up by Israel.
We had a dream that we could treat jews fairly and we did not have to
quarrel with our bosses views because they joined us as citizens of the same
country.
We had a dream that we could treat jews fairly and our business people
were happy again because they did not have to be pro Israel to obtain a
loan.
We had a dream that we could treat jews fairly and our reporters young and
old could once more report the news as it was, because their owners joined
us as citizens of the same country again.
We had a dream that we could treat jews fairly that senators and public
figures were no longer perjuring themselves pushing Israel propaganda, but
actually spoke as our honest representatives.
We had a dream that we could treat jews fairly our movies and TV would
once again present the case of the poor and the weak, and were not simply
aimed at israeli enemies.
We had a dream that we could treat jews fairly and that this was a new
dawn, a new millennium and we would be making peace all over the world.
We had a dream that we could treat jews fairly and that our jewish citizens
were finally able to let go and realise that there were not in germanies any
more and live with us like Australian, American and English citizens.
We had a dream that we could treat jews fairly and that this didn’t exactly
make us a land of milk and honey, but we could talk to each other because of
our patriotic felings towards this country.
And in this dream, nobody was afraid to speak honestly against Israel if it
was required because we were one people, and nobody was so afraid of being
called anti-semitic because of the way the jewish people had been treated,
because it was not necessary any more because they knew anti semeticism
was not the reason we were questioning those views.
And our jewish citizens knew they were already in the land of milk and
honey, the citizens around them did not hate them, just what they were
doing to the arabs by supporting israel. And at the same time appeared to be
deceiving their fellow citizens as to their real motives.
And achieving that aim by acting as citizens of Israel rather than their
native countries where they now resided.
And they realised that their fellow citizens like them knew that there were
a few rich and greedy citizens amongst them as among every other group that
did not value their countries happiness, or placed the loss and gains of
some of their immense fortunes above the lives and happiness of some of
their fellow citizens.
We had a dream that we could treat jews fairly and that we all came
together and solved our problems without discriminating against any of our
citizens.
Jews use TV ads to spread the word - smh.com.au
Jewish groups in the United States are starting a television advertising
campaign and will spend more than $A1.83 million ($3.36 billion) to promote
Israel's side in its
URL: http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/09/18/10320...
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/09/18/1032054865394.html
Jews do not allow us into there sanitised little groups.
Your message has been rejected because it violates our newsgroup charter.
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> Subject: Re: The promised land
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> "Aramathaia" <docto...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > What is your point?
> > > Girls are married in many countries at that age and even younger. I am
> not
> > > saying it is right but a fact.
Interesting titbit from australia where all groups are treated equally, a
jewish lady and husband were before court for knocking of a lousy million or
so.
Judge said of course she couldnt go to jail, her religion would have made
her a victim, uncomfortable etc. etc so he excused her. then he had to
excuse husband because she had to have somebody look after her???
Like i told my girlfriend, of course he would have said the same about a
nice catholic girl????
And i dont know why she had to be bald, do you???
do not have the accepted about Israel and the jews, that important job might
slip by.
> > > IRAN still have laws allowing marriage of girls from birth and to be
Jon
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> "Jon" <nos...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> > In article <3e6ed002$0$27770$afc3...@news.optusnet.com.au>, PEM
> > <pemi...@optushome.com> wrote:
> >
> > > "Aramathaia" <docto...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > > > Ayesha the Child Wife of Muhammad
> Look lets keep to the point, if yyou want strange customs heres one???
> Interesting titbit from australia where all groups are treated equally, a
> jewish lady and husband were before court for knocking of a lousy million or
> so.
> Judge said of course she couldnt go to jail, her religion would have made
> her a victim, uncomfortable etc. etc so he excused her. then he had to
> excuse husband because she had to have somebody look after her???
> Like i told my girlfriend, of course he would have said the same about a
> nice catholic girl????
Apart from the fact you posted "War and Peace" which I had no
inclination to read .. your paragraph above contains NO reference, for
all we know you probably made the whole thing up... also .. your post
has absolutely no relevance whatsoever to my post.. you failed to
answer the points raised and instead decided to take the whole thing
off on a tangent of your own making.
Krzysztof Wozniak
PEM wrote:
> "Aramathaia" <docto...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:Otwba.78$%42....@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...
> > Ayesha the Child Wife of Muhammad
> >
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> --
> > ----
> >
[..]
>
> What is your point?
> Girls are married in many countries at that age and even younger. I am not
> saying it is right but a fact.
> IRAN still have laws allowing marriage of girls from birth and to be
> consumated at about 9.
> Many african states have no age limit.
> Mexico also have local laws allowing marriage ot nine.
> Australia allowed 12 year old Girls to marry up to mid 1950s.
> Some US native tribes also have such rules.
> Phillipines still allow 12 year old Girls to get married.
> Hollands age of consent are 12 and Spain 13.
> It have always bein going on and still is.
> PEM
At the time of Mohammed life span was on average approx. 25 years.
Even less for women as they tend to die during childbirth.
When Mohammed died (at approx. 57. I think) he was a very old man.
Likely that he witnessed the deaths of many of his own wives and children.
It was a commonly accepted fact that the younger is the mother
the better are the chances of her survival.
Further - the better were the chances that new-born will be
receiving mother's care.
In such situation there was no time for romance.
Deal was done between parents.
Many religions have a build-in a protection mechanism.
For example: In India Hindu would engage kids very early
(even in a womb before birth, conditionally), marry them
at age of 4 or 5 and send daughter to the husband after
the first menstruation (local temple was charging girl's father
a fee for every menstruation in his house).
Indian Government outlawed the practice and set a high
age limit in a wane attempt to lower population explosion in the 50s.
In a hot climate girls mature much earlier than in Europe.
(The youngest mother in Guinness Book or Records was 4 from Mexico).
Marrying an older man is not exceptional either.
In old Russia 70 was considered a reasonable age for man to
be married. For girls - as young as possible.
Read "The Wedding" by Gogol for a fantastic insight into this situation.
Apparently Ayesha was Prophet's favourite wife and the marriage was
successfull, however strange it seems to us.
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Sultan
Is there no abomination that you won't justify on the basis of
multiculturalism????
Is there no murder, abuse, exploitation, torture, genocide that does
not become acceptable for you from the vantage of moral relativism?
Are you going to use notions of cultural and moral relativism to
justify the abuse of pre-adolescent children?
Even if we accept the notions of multiculturalism and the related
notion of moral relativism, it doesn't follow that we should respect
the kind of moral degeneracy that you seek to justify. For on the
basis of what I presume to be your own moral values such abuse is
deplorable and inexcusable.
Incidentally, if you accept the notions of moral relativism, then it
follows that any established moral system of a society is acceptable
in the way that you seem to find the abuse of children acceptable.
Consequently, you'd have to say that nazi Germany was not inferior to
other societies - only different.
Check out the work of Robert Edgerton, especially his book, "Sick
Societies".
Gonzo Journalism
wrote:
Compare this fuckwit liar PEM's above post with this previous post:
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 16:12:59 +1000, "PEM" <pemi...@optushome.com>
wrote:
>Phillipines still allow 12 year old Girls to get married.
So the fuckwit liar argues that muslim pedaphilia is ok and that
muslims having sex with 9 year olds must be understood in its social
context by making up lies about other social contexts in which he
claims child marriages occur.
This is how the pedaphile lefties argue. Then when he is questioned
about it he starts to waffle on about Australian men marrying 16 year
olds. As if that has anything to do with his lie that:
>Phillipines still allow 12 year old Girls to get married.
Maybe he is confusing the time he had sex with a 12 yo phillipines
child with the marriagable age in that country. Pedaphile sex in a
third world country has been a left wing rite of passage for the last
couple of decades .
PEM
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You are sick.
I do not support underage se. I pointed out the reality.
I am married to a Philippina and we have 7 Kids. I have business in PI as
well in Australia.
I only answered a post on the subject and submitted a link as I know the
Country in and out. AND by the way
apart of some little part of the South Island with a part Muslim population
the Philippine happen to be 91% Catholic.
You are not very smart with your name calling, however Boy, you can not
embarrass me.
Go back and suck you Mothers Boobs ..or whatever you fancy, see if I care.
PEM
Jon
<k.wo...@cowan.edu.au> wrote:
> At the time of Mohammed life span was on average approx. 25 years.
> Even less for women as they tend to die during childbirth.
They would if they were getting pregnant at such an early age.
> When Mohammed died (at approx. 57. I think) he was a very old man.
He was 63.
> Likely that he witnessed the deaths of many of his own wives and children.
> It was a commonly accepted fact that the younger is the mother
> the better are the chances of her survival.
No, he simply had a taste for young girls ...
Volume 7, Book 62, Number 17:
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
When I got married, Allah's Apostle said to me, "What type of lady have
you married?" I replied, "I have married a matron' He said, "Why, don't
you have a liking for the virgins and for fondling them?" Jabir also
said: Allah's Apostle said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that
you might play with her and she with you?"
> Further - the better were the chances that new-born will be
> receiving mother's care.
Adolescent girls don't make the best mothers .. under developed breasts
are not that great for feeding the child and inexperience often costs
the childs' life.
> In such situation there was no time for romance.
> Deal was done between parents.
Actually the "deal" was done by Muhammed himself .. and apparently
against the initial instincts of Aisha's father ..
Sahih Bukhari 7.18
Narrated 'Ursa:
The Prophet asked Abu Bakr for 'Aisha's hand in marriage. Abu Bakr said
"But I am your brother." The Prophet said, "You are my brother in
Allah's religion and His Book, but she (Aisha) is lawful for me to
marry."
Sahih Bukhari 9.140
Narrated 'Aisha:
Allah's Apostle said to me, "You were shown to me twice (in my dream)
before I married you. I saw an angel carrying you in a silken piece of
cloth, and I said to him, 'Uncover (her),' and behold, it was you. I
said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.'
Then you were shown to me, the angel carrying you in a silken piece of
cloth, and I said (to him), 'Uncover (her), and behold, it was you. I
said (to myself), 'If this is from Allah, then it must happen.' "
> Many religions have a build-in a protection mechanism.
> For example: In India Hindu would engage kids very early
> (even in a womb before birth, conditionally), marry them
> at age of 4 or 5 and send daughter to the husband after
> the first menstruation (local temple was charging girl's father
> a fee for every menstruation in his house).
Some Pakistani tribes today still have a culture of "promised" wives..
sometimes girls are promised to husbands that aren't even born yet.
When the boy is born it's left to his wife to raise him.
> Indian Government outlawed the practice and set a high
> age limit in a wane attempt to lower population explosion in the 50s.
> In a hot climate girls mature much earlier than in Europe.
> (The youngest mother in Guinness Book or Records was 4 from Mexico).
I find that rather difficult to believe .. the foetus is essentially a
parasite leeching the mother of nutrients .. a 4 year old mother would
be lucky to survive the pregancy term let alone the actual delivery..
The youngest parents I've heard of are aged 8 (mother) and 9 (father)
and were from China... sorry I can't give a reference, this was some
piece of trivia I remember from yonks ago.
> Marrying an older man is not exceptional either.
> In old Russia 70 was considered a reasonable age for man to
> be married. For girls - as young as possible.
> Read "The Wedding" by Gogol for a fantastic insight into this situation.
Doesn't sound like a great recipe for the continuation of the species
if men are leaving it till their '70's to get married and start a
family.
> Apparently Ayesha was Prophet's favourite wife and the marriage was
> successfull, however strange it seems to us.
Aisha stayed with Muhammed till his death .. all of 9 years... he died
in her arms.
I can't imagine it would have been easy for her to divorce or leave him.
PEM
This subject have been debated a Billion times.
An Iranian friend of mine explained to me that it was/is normal in Iran to
arrange marriage of Girls at an early age. It is however against the law to
have actual sex whit the Girls until after she reach sexual maturity,
...after the first menstruation.
Such practice have been going on in most if not all societies at one time or
the other.
I guess it have to do with the natural instinct of men as it is also normal
for all other animals to start sexual activities as soon as they are ready
to produce offspring. After all man is just another mammal and would have
the same instinct as all other mammals..even if it is controlled by laws
and/or tribal/religious customs.
So called civilization is just shin deep..as we all know when people act
like animals.
Just take a look at violence and not to mention WARS.
In our society it is wrong to engage minors in sex however we are talking
about other societies and even at a different time and place.
I am not sure if anyone know the actual customs at the time of Mohammad.
The Jews also had those laws at the time of Jesus and it is stated that May
was pregnant at 11 and therefore unmarried as she was promised to Joseph at
a young age and was to get married at 12 years of age. Joseph was said to be
in his mid 40s at that time and died when Jesus was about 12.
For those who believe GOD was the father then God must have sent a message
that 11 was a reasonable age for a girl to produce.
I do not state that sex with children is right but I guess we must try to
understand the situation. I have before pointed out that a 12 year old Girl
could get married in Australia right up to the mid 1950s.
I have never been able to find any records of how many young Girls actually
got married over the 200 years but it must have been a lot as there was a
shortage of women.
PEM
Jon
<pemi...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
> This subject have been debated a Billion times.
> An Iranian friend of mine explained to me that it was/is normal in Iran to
> arrange marriage of Girls at an early age. It is however against the law to
> have actual sex whit the Girls until after she reach sexual maturity,
> ...after the first menstruation.
From Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom,
Iran, 1990 :
"A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby.
However he should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man
penetrates and damages the child then he should be responsible for her
subsistence all her life. This girl, however does not count as one of
his four permanent wives. The man will not be eligible to marry the
girls sister."
This gets back to something I posted earlier .. I think it was in this
thread but may have been elsewhere .. an excerpt from someone elses
insightfull post on the subject -
Message-ID: <MTX4TRQW3767...@anonymous.poster>
---
Having sex with a minor may not have been immoral for Muhammad and his
contemporaries in that uncivilized culture, but it was ethically wrong.
If Muhammad was a messenger of God or an honorable man, as he made his
Allah to proclaim him thus, he should have known that what he was doing
was dishonorable and unethical.
Although it is true that in the past people married at very young age.
And it is also true that occasionally wealthy old men married very
young girls. We have to realize that these people acted on their
culture. We do not condemn them for they did not know better. What
they did was the norm. But we do condemn those cultures.
However, we cannot forgive with the same amnesty those who claimed to
be the standard of rectitude amongst mankind. If average people could
not distinguish the right from the wrong, the messengers of God, if
they were from God, should have known better. If their claim was true,
if their knowledge was divine, if they were inspired, they should not
have followed the tradition of their people but should have set the
example. Muhammad followed the morality of his people. But that
morality was ethically wrong. He claimed to be the best human and the
last messenger of God. According to him God has said to people all he
wanted to say in Quran and his religion is complete. There is no more
guidance to come and his examples and his teachings are all we need to
know and follow for eternity. Yet what he did and said, under the light
of modern values prove to be very wrong.
---
PEM
Correct..but as I pointed out Christianity also seem to be build on a
product of underage sex..
I read sometime ago that the Jewish law at the time was that a "promised
Bride" would commence living with her future Husband about a year before
their marriage to get use to his Household. The age of marriage was 12.
However sex before marriage was illegal and Joseph would have been whipped
and Mary Stoned as she was pregnant before the marriage.
The story of GOD being responsible would have saved them as long as the
Church elders believed them.
Naturally I do not know if this is right but it was apparently part of
Dr.Lucasious (later called St.Luke by the Catholic Church) report to Caesar.
Many cultures in this world did and some still do marry 12 year olds as this
is regarded to be the age of sexual maturity.
However Islams 9 year old custom is mush to young I think.
PEM
PEM
> In article <3E718B2F...@cowan.edu.au>, Krzysztof Wozniak
> <k.wo...@cowan.edu.au> wrote:
>
>
> > At the time of Mohammed life span was on average approx. 25 years.
> > Even less for women as they tend to die during childbirth.
>
> They would if they were getting pregnant at such an early age.
>
> > When Mohammed died (at approx. 57. I think) he was a very old man.
>
> He was 63.
>
> > Likely that he witnessed the deaths of many of his own wives and
children.
> > It was a commonly accepted fact that the younger is the mother
> > the better are the chances of her survival.
>
> No, he simply had a taste for young girls ...
>
> Volume 7, Book 62, Number 17:
> Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah:
> When I got married, Allah's Apostle said to me, "What type of lady have
> you married?" I replied, "I have married a matron' He said, "Why, don't
> you have a liking for the virgins and for fondling them?" Jabir also
> said: Allah's Apostle said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that
> you might play with her and she with you?"
>
> > Further - the better were the chances that new-born will be
> > receiving mother's care.
>
> Adolescent girls don't make the best mothers .. under developed breasts
> are not that great for feeding the child and inexperience often costs
> the childs' life.
>
pregnancy. If a Girl are old enough to get pregnant she is also old enough
to devellop breasts with normal milk production. That is nature.
However there are some Mothers of all ages who are NOT able to produce
enough milk or any milk at all. Also some mother have blood in the milk
making it unsuitable for the Baby. That's why we have so many Baby Bottles
around.
PEM
steve2000
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>
>
>
> The thought of an old man becoming aroused by a child is one of the most
> disturbing thoughts that makes us cringe as it reminds us of pedophilia and
> the most despicable people. It is difficult to accept that the Holy Prophet
Yeah, but she had the body of a 4 year old.
tish boom
tas_mania
PEM
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so now we having a problem deciding if Bush had sex with a minor Girl and/or
with her later Husband.
Is he a pedophile or a pufter or both?????????????
At least Clinton only had his cock sucked off.
What is Bush up to? Get the spy camera turned on in the oval office ones
more.
PEM