Hare Krishna's updates (re: bad gurus?)

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Dear Prabhus, pammho. agtsp.
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CHAKRA WRITES:
A Peek into the Mind of One Puranjana dasa, A Fanatical Hater:

An Essay in Pneumopathology (or The Study of Spiritual Disease)

by Ravindra Svarupa dasa

PART 1: The Fanatical Hater as Anti-Semite

I recently received a letter from a friend, to which he attached a
little clipping. My friend identified the clipping as "some classic
ranting from Puranjana, excerpted from his latest mailout." Like many
others, my correspondent detected the presence of psychopathology.
"This is really looney-tunes," he said. He asked whether I might have
anything to offer by way of "clear brahminical analysis."

Now Ive always regarded Puranjana to be like one of those insects;
predatory and busy, but, all the same, very tiny something you just
try to swat away and ignore.

As a fanatical hater of ISKCON leaders and as the major torchbearer of
the notorious "ritvik conspiracy theory," Puranjana has for some time
exploited the resources of modern communications technology to spread
his message far and wide.

I've been receiving his vitriol by post for several years; after
giving it a glance, I usually toss it into the pile with the other
crazy mail. I thought him to be so obviously deranged that no one
would take him seriously.

I was wrong. I forgot that these are times that empower psychopaths,
and I fear that I would have been among those who had dismissed Hitler
as too crazy to be taken seriously.

Of course, some people may be influenced by Puranjana simply because
they don't know who he is. In his current raids in cyberland as the
Poison Spammer, he floods newsgroups and list-servers with
pseudonymous "warnings" about ISKCON.

For too many others, craziness is just what they are looking for.
Puranjana articulates their own disappointments, rages, and
resentments. After all, the World Health Organization has predicted
that mental illness shall soon be the gravest medical danger humanity
faces. There are large and growing audiences for people like
Puranjana, and insanity nowadays has a frightful tendency to become
organized.

So let us turn to the sample my friend sent of Puranjanas latest
"rant," directed, as usual, against leaders of ISKCON, which he calls
"the Judas element."


'The "intimate follower of Jesus," the Judas of Christ's time, he
got some gold. The Judas' of ISKCON also got gold. Judas of yore had a
little sensitivity, he knew he had committed wrong. He repented. Not
our Judas camp. They go on and beat up the saints followers for the
past 20 years. Death to the offenders who do not worship the poisoners
of prophets for profit! All I can say is, thank you Lord, for saving
us from partaking from that poison plate! The Judas of yore did not
deal the fatal blow, ISKCON's Judas did. ISKCON's Judas went on to
ban, beat, harass and kill the followers of the saint and militantly
establish their pedophiles as the "successors" of the saint.'

Well, you get the idea.

[PADA: What benefits does Ravindra and co. get from supporting the
alleged poisoner's party? Why aren't the principals, like Tamal,
coming out and defending themselves? Why is it that Ravindra,
Nirantara, and folks like this are defending the false appointees and
alleged poisoners? Why is the "biggest pundit" RSD coming forward to
defend now, but the principals will not come forward themselves?
Thousands of folks are asking: why won't Tamal go on the radio in
Houston? Why did he go instead to Mexico?
Ravindra said in 1985: "'There may be some mahabhagavata devotees
among us,' said Ravindra swarupa on the phone, 'but Srila Prabhupada
is a maha-mahabhagavata. He is extraordinary. Srila Prabhupada should
have a place in our movement like Jesus Christ has in the Christian
Church.'" ("Journals and Poems," book2, page 74, by Satsvarupa dasa
Gowswami, 1985.)
Ravindra later said, in 1990, "Why not write a letter to Srila
Prabhupada and see if you get a reply." So, he now de facto says: that
prayers to folks like Jesus is a bogus idea meant for dummies, fools
and rascals. So, now we are going to inform many Perhaps we should ask
the Christians in Philli, why does Mr. Ravindra say that they are
essentially a bunch of foolish dumb rednecks for stoopidly worshiping
and praying to Lord Jesus, and not worshipping Mr. RSD's homosexual
pedophile alleged "Jesus" project (Mr. Deadwyler and co.)?
Apparently, the idea that "Jesus was killed by a conspiracy," and
"Srila Prabhupada may also have been killed by a conspriacy," is
really hitting a raw nerve, and it is grinding on the minds of the
likes of Ravindra Swarupa dasa. "Methinks he protests too much"? Maybe
there is some truth to these two conspiracy ideas, and this is why
Ravindra is writing so wildly? And did Tamal and Hridayananda meet in
Mexico? And is Hridayananda going on to meet with another suspected
culprit, Bhavananda, by flying to Australia?
Even Nirantara admits that there should be an investigation into
the murder of our saint? He admits that this is potentially what
happened?
Ravindra Swarupa dasa, we may recall, is the guy who got a "big
guru certificate" simultaneously when a known homosexual pedophile was
re-instated in 1986. So, according to Srila Prabhupada, he does not
have the moral discrimination of a common street dog.
As one of our contributors has recently stated about
Ravindra-swarupa's PHD title, considering his guru history: "Ravindra
swarupa's "philosophy": (P)-edophile (H)-omosexual (less than)
(D)-og." Now, he is writing some big philosophical thesis about:
relgion?
As we know, Srila Prabhupada predicted Mr. Ravindra's pedophile
guru cult, and passed his own judgement upon this:
"When the world becomes degraded civilization becomes demoniac, and
for the common man the RECTUM and the GENITAL are taken very seriously
as the centers for all activity. Even in such a sacred place as
Vrindavana unintelligent men pass off this rectal and genital business
as spiritual activity." (Srila Prabhupada)
Nirantara dasa, Ravindra's local cheerleader, confirms this, he
says (we have the tape) that we need to "bust" the "gurus" who are
having "homosex in the holy dham." Of course, now Mr. Nirantara has
joined Ravinra in licking the boots of these "rectal and genital"
child molester guru lineage's founders, and insisting that small
children worship same.
RSD makes noxious "homosexual pedophile guru lineages," then he
writes about "poison conspiracies"? Isn't his homosexual pedophile
guru lineage itself a poisonous element? This is ALSO an insult to all
of the children who were molested: "you have to worship Ravindra
because he was voted in with your molester's leader." Wow, talk about
salt in the wound.... !
First of all, Ravindra Swarupa militantly endorsed, supported, and
upheld the reinstatement of the worship (as "Vishnupada": equal to
God's feet) a known homosexual pedophile. In sum, RSD thinks that
folks like Jesus might be "preaching" by spreading AIDS to children.
And the result? The GBC created the "cult ritualistic worhip" of
their pedophile gurus, which resulted in the molestation of hundreds,
maybe a thousand or more children. Ravindra was then voted in "as good
as God and Jesus," with one of the worst of these known pedophiles in
1986, which means, he hasn't got a clue who God and Jesus are?
Of course, perhaps now I will write some of the Churches in Philli
and tell them that Ravindra Swarupa says that folks like Jesus are to
be re-instated, when it is known that they are homosexual pedophiles?
And he not only endorsed that, and helped re-instate that, but he
banned the critic of his homosexual pedophile bogus "Jesus" program,
namely Sulochana dasa.
So, he wants to be voted in as "Jesus" along with cult ritualistic
(little children's) worship of pedophiles "as good as God and Jesus."
RSD wants people to worship those voted in as "Jesus" with known
pedophiles (himself), and then he writes some big scholarly paper?
First, get some moral standing, and try to get a little above "less
than dog level" please, Ravindra Swarupa dasa, then write about the
next levels: philosophy.

SOME OF RAVINDRA'S PARTY'S POISONOUS PHILOSOPHY:
--The bogus appointment theory;
--The bogus zonal guru system;
--The bogus 2/3 acharya by vote system;
--The bogus idea that the acharyas need to be reformed;
--The bogus idea that homosexuals, pedophles and murderers are
components of the parampara and they are, were or could be equal to
folks like Jesus;
--The bogus cult ritualistic worship of pedophiles;
--The bogus idea that it is common for acharyas to fail;
--The bogus idea that gurus become demons;
--The bogus idea that gurus can be suspended, censured, corrected by
votes;
--The bogus idea that gurus can be removed by vote;
--The bogus idea that Lord Brahma and similar acharyas fall down;
--The bogus idea that Srila Prabhupada could fall down;
--Ravindra is also the founding father of the cow torture program at
Gita Nagari. So, when he is not busy making children worship pedophile
lineages, he is "getting the herd down to size" by getting idiots to
hook up tractors to the cow's necks and breaking their necks, and
kicking out the poor cowherds who knew this was wrong.....
And a host of similar deviations.......]

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Dear Pada,

By the way, I've also heard that Hrdayananda DG is taking yoga lessons
in the Los
Angeles area. This is basically misleading and against the spirit of
the sixth chapter of the Gita. This development had begun before the
visit of the Brazilian yoga instructor who went to associate with him.
I'm not referring to her. Her interest doesn't seem to be hanky-panky
or anything, I'm not trying to say that. But why is he practicing
yoga, of all things?

Yours Truly,
Dd

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[PADA: Below, we find a letter from Amala Bhakta dasa wherein he
prescribes various "attonements" for Bhavananda, the GBC's alleged
"previous link in the chain of pure devotee acharyas." Of course,
neither Amala Bhatka, or his masters in the GBC have ever explained
how any link; past, present or future, in the Vaishnava "pure chain of
gurus" could behave so abominably? Never any explanation, especially,
since shastra tells us it is a severe offense to consider that the
acharya becomes subject to contaminaton?
It is also considered a severe offense to create "attonements" for
any past, present or future member of the parampara. The members of
the parampara are always to be considered as above these
"prayascittas."
We may recall that Amala Bhakta still mainatains that Srila
Prabhupada had "appointed" Bhavananda as his guru successor, as he
told me personally. Thus, according to Amala Bhakta, the acharya does
not know who is a guru and who is not, so he "appoints" fallen,
conditioned, and materially contaminated persons to be worshipped like
Jesus in his society after his departure?
Why would someone like Jesus want contaminated souls to be
worshipped as good as God, and as his successors? Amala Bhatka has
never explained? Of course, every two-bit fool who thinks he is Jesus,
including some who are in jail for mass murder, think they were
"appointed by Jesus as his successor." "Appointments" are not the real
system. The real successor is not "ecclessiastically apppointed,"
rather he is qualified and thus his qualities are "self-effulgent."
In sum, it is still unresolved. Amala Bhakta and Nirantara et al.
have made numerous statements that they agree with the agenda that
"homosexual pedophiles are components of the parampara," but they have
never provided any proof whatsoever to substatinate this: that Srila
Prabhupada had appointed any guru successors? In fact, Amala bhakta
and co. tosses out reams and reams of pages of Srila Prabhupada's
writings wherein he says that: "gurus are NOT appointed."
Anyway, assuming that Amala Bhatka is correct, "Bhavananda is a
component acharya in the parampara." There is a contradiction, how can
a person who is, was, or could have been an acharya: have to perform
"attonements"? In sastra it says that it is a severe offense to
consider that any parampara acharya has to perform attonements? Yet
Amala Bhatka says that Bhavananda is a component of the parampara, and
he needs to perform attonements?
Of course, notice, that Amala Bhakta and ISKCON are always figuring
out how to get folks like Bhavananda back, but Amala Bhakta makes no
blueprint how everyone else can come back? Read: we like homosexual
pedophiles who have posed themselves as gurus, and we'll "bend over
backwards" (no pun intended!) to get them back.]

Letter from Amala Bhakta dasa:

Bhavananda's Involvement Questioned

Dec, 12, 1997

Dear Chakra prabhus,

Please accept my humble obeisances. All glories to Srila Prabhupada.

Thank you for your news service. It was long overdue and I think it is
serving a useful purpose by providing devotees information that they
otherwise might not obtain--answers to questions that might otherwise
be left in a cloud of doubt and uncertainty. So I commend you. Please
continue in your useful work.

I am writing to you today in regard to the story you printed about
Bhavananda prabhu. While I am heartened and happy to learn that he has
returned to ISKCON, the Sydney temple in particular, to engage in
devotional service, I wish to ask a few questions regarding this.
Though it is certainly welcome news to know that Bhavananda prabhu is
trying to rectify himself by performing basic devotional
activities--chanting Hare Krsna, attending the morning program, and
reading Srila Prabhupada's books--I question whether he should be
allowed by our GBC authorities at this time to 1) live in the Sydney
temple; 2) speak as a representative of ISKCON, even at a "Food For
Life" gathering.

For example, if I had committed the many offenses against ISKCON
(Srila Prabhupada, the GBC, all devotees) that Bhavananda had, and if,
after leaving the movement for sometime, I later wanted to return to
it and be accepted as a devotee in good standing, I would first want
to do several important things to prove my seriousness and sincerity.
Otherwise, it would appear that I regarded my past offenses as
unimportant if not trivial and thus not even worthy of addressing. If
this were my attitude, what would hinder or stop me from repeating the
same offenses again? It is a fact that once a tendency is strongly
established in one's mental makeup, unless it is overcome by an even
stronger tendency, it may very likey repeat itself when a favorable
circumstance arises.

Knowing this, what would I do?

Well, I would first try to understand the enormity of my offenses--how
they caused so much distress to so many persons in terms of their loss
of faith, hope, trust, and reputation. I would beg Srila Prabhupada
and Lord Krishna to help me to feel the pain and agony that my
offensive actions caused so many devotees. For only by deeply feeling
their distresses could I hope to never again repeat such offenses. For
it is only callous disregard born of thick ignorance that makes us
commit them.

If, by Srila Prabhupada's and Lord Krishna's grace I was able to feel
even a small amount of the pain I gave, I would then want to perform
some kind of penance to atone for my offenses so as to remind myself
never to commit them again. For voluntary discomfort pounds a deep
impression into the mind and helps one to NOT forget. One might ask,
"Isn't performing devotional service--chanting 16 rounds, morning
program, etc.--enough "penance?" No, it isn't, for everyone who lives
in a temple does that. It is expected of us, so it isn't something
extra. But if I've offended many devotees, that requires more
austerity than usual, else I will quickly forget my offenses and their
ramifications, and I may possibly and unfortunately repeat them. A
truly repentant person would rather die a million deaths before
committing the same offense again. Junior Haridas, a sannyasi, amply
demonstrated this by taking his own life--after Lord Caitanya had
rejected him for talking frivolously with a woman.

So as a minimum, I would probably fast completely one day each week
for as many years as I had been committing my offenses. I would then
go to all the persons I had offended--including the GBC Body--and
apologize by word and letter for the distress I had caused them, offer
my full obeisances to them, beg for their forgiveness, and then ask
them what I could do to make amends or compensate them. For I would
owe them--and very much!-- thus I would want to, if possible, satisfy
them. Didn't the redeemed Madhai say to someone who had thrown a stone
at him, "In my pride of power I trampled everything sacred under foot.
Will you now confer an inestimable obligation on me by trampling me
under foot?" And didn't the offensive Durvasa Muni throw himself at
the feet of Ambarisha Maharaja and beg for his forgiveness?

Only after I had done all of the above, and after I knew that a large
majority of my godbrothers and former disciples had forgiven me,
accepted me, and blessed me, would I consider moving into an ISKCON
temple. And I would do so only after I had asked permission from the
GBC body--not just one GBC member--and had received a majority of its
blessings. I would want to be sure that they felt I was not a further
threat to or burden on either ISKCON'S reputation or to some of the
young men or even children in or around the temple. And regarding
lecturing--anywhere, anyplace--I would not do so until I was in good
standing with the GBC and ISKCON in general--in other words, until
after I had LONG proven that I had overcome my tendency to commit base
offenses and that there was no reason for anyone to be apprehensive
about me anymore.

So my question is--HAS BHAVANANDA PRABHU DONE ALL OR ANY OF THE ABOVE?

If he has, then I offer my obeisances to him and beg his forgiveness
for even intimating herein that perhaps he had not--for thus far I,
and many other devotees, have not heard that he had. But if he has NOT
done all of the above, then it would appear that the principle of
forgiveness in our society has become a somewhat cheap, insubstantial
thing, and that as a result, we may be compromising the safety and
well being of the young men in the Sydney temple as well as the
reputation of Srila Prabhupada and his ISKCON society--as we so
carelessly and irresponsibly did some years ago. Shouldn't we learn
from our past mistakes?

Yes, let there be forgiveness and forgetfulnes of Bhavananda prabhu's
offenses, but only after Bhavananda prabhu has done the needful and
demonstated that he is truly worthy of such forgiveness and
forgetfulness. Only then can Bhavananda prabhu and ISKCON be
benefitted.

But what does Bhavananda prabhu say on this matter? The ISKCON world
is waiting to hear from him.

Your servant,

Amala-bhakta dasa

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"mahaksa dasa"
Cc: pa...@netroplex.com
Subject: haribol
Date: Fri, 02 Jan 1998 13:44:08 PST

Sri Gurudeva Krpa Bindhu Diya

Haribol, o he Vaisnava Thakur! All glories to Sri Gurudeva. All
glories to transcendental sound vibrations, the songs of Sri
Bhaktivinode, Sri Narottama Dasa, Sri Dvija Haridas. The old
manuscript I use for Harinama Bhajana is the best of songbooks.
Without Srila Prabhupada's causeless mercy, these songs would be
meaningless, but Sri
Patita-Pavana filled the empty notes of my heart with Gokula-laia,
Nabadvipa-lila, Purosattama-ksetra-lila. What can be said of my
fortune?

Looks like we find opposing camps. Some occupy the town, some are
banished to the wood to live in exile. CHAKRA is fortifying defenses,
PADA has confirmation and desire for justice, VADA is Sanjaya the
witness, the free flow of information, Rtviks hold tradition and ring
liberty bells, the Commission holds the gold, Paundrakas, you know who
you are (reread story and note Sri Krsna's reaction), VNN live at
eleven. Can't we get along?
Sri Krsna asked Duryodhana this question. The answer is an ironic
benefit to us all, even though a great war to take place, causing
widows to curse saints. As the Brahmastras fell, Kail-yuga began,
casting all Dvarapa-yuga denizens to Dharma. Our saber-rattling is a
laughable imitation of the real heroes of Srimad Mahabharata.
We cannot co-operate, we cannot follow his desire. Why? To
ISKCON/GBC leaders: Are you so tall that you cannot fit under the
straw in the street? Are you so stiff that you cannot be more tolerant
than the tree? Even though some of your management techniques are
seriously, obviously flawed, can you not admit to your limitations?
When Srila Prabhupada said, "I am just an old man, soon to pass away,"
did he not set the example on how one should deal with the illusion of
self-importance?
If your CHAKRA newsletter convinces all to reject Tim Lee, shun
Islandnet, and tune out VNN, that's OK, but you still have to change
the books, lest someone finds you out.
You still have to deal with the perverts in your hierarchy that are
not only discrediting your stated purpose in the religious sector, but
make your society an
embarassment to the human being community.
Pretty tough words from the Beaver, eh, but if you ever were my
friends and ever had the initial sincerity that led you yo my Guru
Maharaja, you would search for validity in this criticism rather than
wonder who this maha-aparadhi mahaksadasa is and how to shut him up. I
desire criticism from Sri Gurudeva, be he Srila Prabhupada, or
Siksa-guru which may include many readers herein. The main thing is,
WHEN DEVOTEES SPEAK, DEVOTEES LISTEN.
A writer asks how Srila Prabhupada treated lowly, left-out, poor,
younger, latter, rtvik, discriminated against, unconsidered,
unrespected disciples. I know, I fit that description. In the Mela, I
wrote my best Samkirtana memory. It was just me and Srila Prabhupada
at the Honolulu airport. Lots of commotion at his arrival, some were
engaged in kirtana, many important elite were divvying up the spoils
of Hawaii's
driven out GBC (Gaurasundara) right in the midst of Srila Prabhupada.

So many sticks to shake a stick at. (The politics of three-pronged
sticks) Like Hrdayananda drove me away by his attitude, I was
literally pushed aside. I was shaggy, I was dirty, I was outcast, but
I had a garland for my Guru Maharaja. As the Limo hurriedly pulled
away, I placed lei on vehicle rear antenna. The Limo stopped, and a
sanyassi (Sudama dasa, teacher, friend, RIP) retrieved garland and
placed it
around Srila Prabhupada.
Later at the temple, he wore only a solid red plumaria garland. He
also had an expression of pure love that only he could exhibit as he
asked Govinda dasi, "Where is Gaurasundara?" (My Guru Maharaja, while
on his last stop, Sri Vrndavana, Fall, 1977, also said, "Where is
Gaurasundara?" Gaurasundara came, but was again driven
away.)
As I stated, this Samkirtana experiance was just me and Srila
Prabhupada. A story of Sri Dronacarya's gifts to his students is as
follows: He had children of demigods to instruct and he wanted the
best student to receive his best weapon. He devised the true ksatriya
contest. Sri Yudhisthira was first-born, so he was first up. Sri
Dronacarya said, "MY dear Yudhisthira, take your arrow and aim at
yonder bird in the tree. Tell me what you see?" Sri Yudhisthira
replied, "I see the sky, the forest, the tree, the branches, the bird,
my bow, my forearm, and my shaft, awaiting your permission to separate
the bird's head from it's body." Drona said, "Well done, step aside."
Duryodhana, Bhimasena, Nakula, Sahadeva, Asvattama, all his students
had similar replies.
When Sri Arjuna stepped up to take his turn, Drona said, "What do
you see?" Arjuna: "A bird." Drona: "Describe the bird." Arjuna: "I
cannot, for I only see it's neck feathers." Drona, extremely pleased,
said, "Release your arrow and send the demigod back to heaven." Point
is, Sri Gurudeva is all there is, all else is the mind's
distraction.
Forgive my preaching, but I need to practice. Back to the point.
Rtvik means proxy. Srila Prabhupada was in Honolulu, I stayed to care
for the cows in Hilo. Sudama explained to Srila Prabhupada that I may
be a good candidate for initiation. Srila Prabhupada told Sudama that
I was a good boy, volunteering to stay with duty than go to big city
for big party. He then chanted on beads. Sudama returned to Hilo farm
and
Subaladasa Goswami performed fire sacrifice. Sudama, although I accept
him as siksa, is not diksa, nor is Subaladasa. They are not
rtvik-gurus, there is no such thing. Diksa is Srila Prabhupada who
accepted me, Siksas are those who cause me to remembrer and restore my
sanity. Rtviks hold to tradition, but who chants on the beads, who
names one perfectly, who is the only one you see in your Samkirtana
story.
I came to be a Christian, not for Bible, but Gospels bring
ecstatic symptoms. I accept Lord Jesus Christ as my guru-maharaja,
accepting my imitations, my unpolished nature, my sinful habits,
always with faith in Sri Krsna's unfathomable mercy. Lord Jesus is
perfect vehicle, guru, plain and simple. Srila Prabhupada appears in
my time, my unique fortune to have heard from him. How are they
different? They are not.
Both are nitya-siddha representatives of Sri Balarama, the Original
Chaita-guru.
Dear ISKCON?GBC leaders, we worry, worry, worry! Who's gonna get?
How we gonna keep? We artificially try to prop up something we have
no faith in. An eternal movement started by Sri Brahma gonna fizzle
out unless one of us (or eleven of us) grabs the helm and steers this
thing through the waters of Armageddon.
Sorry, doesn't work that way. With a blade of grass cutting life
from Romaraharsana, Sri Balarama seated proper one on Vyasasana. Ye of
little faith, first you pretend to be disciple, then pretend to be
guru, now you grab Sri Chaitagurudeva Balarama's chair to appoint your
own gurus.
If one has faith in Guru-Shastra-Sadhu, do not worry. Demons always
lose. Vaisnavas are eternally protected by their servant, Sri Krsna
Chaitanya Mahaprabhu. Parampara continues through time. If one desires
initiation, Sri Balarama will send Sri Gurudeva. He will not escape.
If one places just a fraction of his love on the Supreme Lord
(Lila-Guna-Rupa-Namnam), the only one he sees is Sri Gurudeva.

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From: Gdd
To: pa...@netroplex.com
Re: REAL SWAMI

In a message dated 12/27/97 3:24:13 PM, you wrote:

CONSCIOUS KRISHNAS
Our spiritual master, His Divine Grace A.C. Bhaktivedanta Swami
Prabhupada, said, ''No one should starve,'' and ''No one should go
hungry within a 10-mile radius of the community center.''
To meet the current hunger crisis which was outlined by Mr.
Ridgeway, we are willing to expand our servings to at least 500 hot
vegetarian meals every day, year-round, so that the descriptions in
his article will become a thing of the past.

KAPINDRA SWAMI, Director
Hare Krishna Food Relief
Manhattan

Hare krsna Prabhus, AgtSP Pamho.
"If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it must be a duck."
I've got to give my kudos to Kapindra Swami for keeping determined to
follow Srila Prabhupada's instruction in this respect. At least this
Swami is giving rtvik initiation and trying to carry out His Divine
Grace's instructions in many respects. He doesn't own a house, has
only two changes of cotton clothes,doesn't have a personal bank
account, distributes alot of
prasadam with others helping and goes on harinama regularily,
faithfully chants his rounds and gives nice classes always with Srila
Prabhupada in the center. I would say Kapindra Swami at least quacks
like a duck.
YS Gdd

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DHAKRA DOESN'T LET ME REPLY!

DEAR PADA!

PAMHO AGTSP!

Could you mention that CHAKRA who is always anxious for balanced news
on
VNN publishes a letter from Narayan Prabhu about me, but does not
publishe any of my responses to letters on their site.

Below, I have included a letter to CHAKRA sent out today, which
re-enforces Amala Bhakta's rather couragous letter To CHAKRA re the
Bhavananda issue.

Hari Bole!

NNVdas

Subject:
Amala Bhakta's letter
Date:
Thu, 01 Jan 1998 11:22:24 -0700
From:
Nathan Zakheim
<zak...@earthlink.net>
Organization:
Zakheim & Associates
To:
vsw...@istar.ca

DEAR CHAKRA:

I fully support the position taken by Amala Bhakta Prabhu concerning
the need for RECTIFICATION of Bhavananda (or for that matter any
person
committing gross offenses against the Lotus Feet of our godbrothers,
our
Spiritual Master, and the humanity at large.

I would add the following:

The "offences" of Bhavananda are not just a matter of "feelings"
between
godbrothers, between Bhavananda and the molested and abused Gurukulies
or even the situation of the postion of Bhavananda as a basic
initiate
who has grossly polluted the sacred connection between himself (as
disciple0 and Srila Prabhupada as Spiritual Master.

The molestations and abuses of the Gurukulies are heinous CRIMES.

In the time of the Great Lawgiver MANU, even an ordinary man would be
severely punished IN ACCORDANCE WITH THE NATURE OF HIS CRIME.

An intelligent man would seek out Manu and demand that an appropriate

punishment be inflicted on him IMMEDIATELY so that he would not be
forced to take a hellish birth in his next life.

The laws of Manu also prescribed far greater punishment for a man who
committed a crime against a person from a higher Varna than from a
lower
Varna. This was due to the fact that the social and Karmic impact of
polluting the Brahmin Varna is far more damaging to the ultimate
purpose
of the Varnashrama Culture which is to gradually and systematically
siphon up the fallen condition souls through the system of Varnas and
finally delivering them from the material condition altogether
directly
through the Unbreakable Line of Disciplic Succession.

If a Brahmin, acting in priestly capacity, or person acting as "guru"
(Which is a formal role in which a Brahmin acts in a capacity that
requires that his charges MUST regard him in a role of Absolute Trust
before any transfer of spiritual realization can occur) COMMITTS A
HEINOUS CRIME FULLY PUNISHABLE IN THE COURT OF MANU, such crime cannot
be confused with the crimes of an ordinary man against an ordinary
victim.

Such crimes cannot be confused with personal fall down.(which in
itself
is a spiritual crime, which we have all experienced in one form or
another as disciples of Srila Prabhupada.)

Srila Prabhupada CLEARLY DEFINED THE SECOND (AND THIRD) GENERATION
VAISHNAVAS AS HIS HOPE FOR THE FUTURE OF THE SPIRITUAL TRANSFORMATION
OF
THE WORLD!

Such children, who were clearly selected BY KRISHNA through Srila
Prabhupada, were not under any circumstances to be raped as catamites
for the sexually perverted excesses of persons like Bhavananda.

In other words, those PARTICULAR CHILDREN were ,(and are) TOTALLY OFF
LIMITS.

If Bhavananda had picked up homeless urchins from the street for his
sexual use, the significance of this highly illegal and truly
abominable
crime would have been far less. He (and many others) not only
committed
the crime of sodomy on children, HE MANAGED TO PICK AS HIS VICTIMS
BEINGS THAT HAD BEEN HAND PICKED BY SRILA PRABHUPADA TO BE SPECIALLY
TRAINED TO BE BRHAMINS AND GURUS TO SAVE THE WORLD!

By the standards of Manu this is immeasurably worse than picking on
the
weak in the lower Varnas or even the mlecca class. If we were talking
about "boy child" prostitutes, perhaps then we could talk in terms of
ordinary "apology" and forgiveness by godbrothers, and a simpler
process
of rectification in the eyes of the Spiritual Master.

I fully agree with Amala Bhakta Prabhu that this is not the case.
Rectification is possible, but frankly, I am overwhelmed in trying to
understand in what way it could be made possible.

Vilamangala dasa put out his own eyes with the brooch pins of the
Brhahmin's wife that he wished to seduce.

Vishnujna Swami alledgedly paid money to be bound with ropes and
stones
and cast by professionals into the churning waters of the Triveni.

I cannot recommend such horrible punishments for my godbrother
Bhavanandas (who at one time was a dear and personal associate during
the early days of the movement when he assisted me( in 1969 and 1970)
in
designing the first Rathayatra Cars.

THE PARTICULAR MEANS AND PROCESS OF RECTIFICATON is a matter between
Bhavananda and his own link to the path of spiritual advancement.

Unlike the Catholic church, we members of Iskcon have no official
ritualized mechanism for forgivenenss. Our Vaishnava teachings
instruct
us that even while working through an Ecclesiastic organization such
as
Iskcon, that our path of advancement and deliverance from the thralls
of
this material condition of life DEPEND ENTIRELY ON HOW WE GO ABOUT
DEVELOPING OUR RELATIONSHIP WITH LORD KRISHNA UNDER THE EXPERT AND
INFALLIBLE GUIDANCE OF SRILA PRABHUPADA.

For that reason, we cannot really help Bhavananda, except by
instructing
him in the above. Let us not make the mistake of "aiding and abetting"
his crimes against the SACRED ACOLYTES in our Gurukulas by offering
him
a cheap redemption that will most likely prevent him from seeking and
performing the type of pennance that would gradually lead to genuine

rectification .

SRILA PRABUPADA'S DREAM WAS TO TRAIN SUCH WORLD SAVING BRAHMINS.

We have lost twenty years as well as our collective integrity and
honor
by allowing these crimes to go on. We have to face the fact that EACH
AND EVERY ONE OF US must seek rectification as well for the crime of
covering up the rape of the Gurukulis and having not created the
SPIRITUALLY NURTURING climate that was promised them BY DIVINE DECREE.

Now, wecan and must begin again.

We must create these schools again; teaching them from Srila
Prabhupada's Vani, now that His Vapu is so sadly gone.

Your eternal servant at the Lotus Feet of Sri Sri Radha Krishna,

Nara Narayan Vishwakarma das

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