Maharishi Mahesh Yogi retires from running TM organization on 12 Jan 2003
Lawson English
recently on the alt.meditation.transcendental newsgroup, it's interesting to
note that no-one has mentioned that the founding guru of the TM
organization, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, has just [more or less formally]
retired from the demands of running said organization on his birthday, 12
Jan 2003, and has turned over the administration of the organization to his
protige, "King Raja Raam" (aka Lebanese MD and neuroscientist, Tony
Abu-Nader).
The implicit change of authority can be seen online at
http://www.globalcountry.org where Maharishi Mahesh Yogi conducts a TM puja
(the ceremony always performed before TM instruction that is dedicated to
Maharishi's teacher) and then announces that he is essentially giving over
the task assigned to him [posthumously] by his teacher many years ago and
directs Abu-Nader to continue to promote world peace and spiritual
development for the world by establishing "TM peace palaces" in every
country.
Maharishi also made reference to the ongoing "Enlightenment Courses" that he
has been conducting to provide personal month-long spiritual guidance to
wealthy individuals who donate $1 millionUSA in order to fund the creation
of several groups of 8,000 vedic pundits in India to practice TM, Yogic
Flying and Vedic recitation together to create world peace.
The claim has been made that over $80 million USA has been raised so far
this way and that the establishment of the first permanent group of 8,000
Vedic Pundits should be announced shortly, possibly even today (13 Jan
2003).
It seems obvious that Maharishi has decided to devote his remaining life to
the funding of such groups through his personalized instruction of wealthy
individuals and is no longer willing to divide his energy between the
mundane issues of running the organization that he founded and fulfilling
the most important goal of said organization, the creation of
consciousness-raising groups with a noticeable effect on the consciousness
and behavior of the world.
I wish Maharishi well in his endeavors and wish Tony Abu-Nader (Raja Raam)
well in his, and thought that the online spiritual community might want to
do the same.
angela
<engl...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>protige, "King Raja Raam" (aka Lebanese MD and neuroscientist, Tony
>Abu-Nader).
>
how do you pronounce "abu-nader"?
is it nay-der or nah-der?
angela
BillyG.
"Lawson English" <engl...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Judy Stein
> recently on the alt.meditation.transcendental newsgroup, it's interesting to
> note that no-one has mentioned that the founding guru of the TM
> organization, Maharishi Mahesh Yogi, has just [more or less formally]
> retired from the demands of running said organization on his birthday, 12
> Jan 2003, and has turned over the administration of the organization to his
> protige, "King Raja Raam" (aka Lebanese MD and neuroscientist, Tony
> Abu-Nader).
Maybe nobody's mentioned it because this is the first we've heard
of it, given that it only happened yesterday and all?
<snip>
> It seems obvious that Maharishi has decided to devote his remaining life to
> the funding of such groups through his personalized instruction of wealthy
> individuals and is no longer willing to divide his energy between the
> mundane issues of running the organization that he founded and fulfilling
> the most important goal of said organization, the creation of
> consciousness-raising groups with a noticeable effect on the consciousness
> and behavior of the world.
That sounds right, and it's a good move, assuming Nader knows
what he's doing. A lot better than running the risk of MMY
becoming incapacitated or dying suddenly and Nader having to
take over the whole thing without any warning. Also gives the
movement as a whole the chance to switch its focus from MMY
to Nader as its day-to-day leader, so when MMY finally leaves
us it won't be quite so much of a shock.
I said some time ago I thought the whole "Global Country"
business was more than anything else a framework for Nader
to assume leadership of the movement, to have his own command,
so to speak, to have his own top-banana status while MMY was
still alive rather than remaining MMY's second banana for an
indefinite period. I strongly suspect it was all very
carefully planned, and if Nader rises to the challenge, it
looks like it will have been an ingenious plan.
> I wish Maharishi well in his endeavors and wish Tony Abu-Nader (Raja Raam)
> well in his, and thought that the online spiritual community might want to
> do the same.
Dittoes here.
Tom Pall
"angela" <ange...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Assuming we're talking Arabic pronunciation here. The accent is on the
second syllable and syllables tend to break before the consonant. His name
would traditionally be pronounced ah BOO nah DARE. The R in DARE could
run from very short to long and almost rolled, depending on region.
Interesting that the British and American press would pronounce the exact
opposite: AH bu NAY dir.
BillyG.
"Judy Stein" <jst...@panix.com> wrote in message >
>
> That sounds right, and it's a good move, assuming Nader knows
> what he's doing.
J-Why would you assume that? I know, you're not, actually assuming,
anything. But then, you know what MMY says about passing on the
knowledge.........the one who receives the knowledge, receives it at his
level of consciousness....so, I guess we can assume, (you have used the word
correctly), just about anything from here on in......or is Nader, the
King....enlightened?
A lot better than running the risk of MMY
> becoming incapacitated or dying suddenly and Nader having to
> take over the whole thing without any warning.
Gee Judy-Does that mean MMY may have some outstanding karma?...perish the
thought!
Also gives the
> movement as a whole the chance to switch its focus from MMY
> to Nader as its day-to-day leader, so when MMY finally leaves
> us it won't be quite so much of a shock.
J-Maybe some of us will be celebrating...ya think?
>
> I said some time ago I thought the whole "Global Country"
> business was more than anything else a framework for Nader
> to assume leadership of the movement, to have his own command,
> so to speak, to have his own top-banana status while MMY was
> still alive rather than remaining MMY's second banana for an
> indefinite period. I strongly suspect it was all very
> carefully planned, and if Nader rises to the challenge, it
> looks like it will have been an ingenious plan.
Judy-Then...does that make you third banana? How about me...I was a banana,
at one time!!
>
> > I wish Maharishi well in his endeavors and wish Tony Abu-Nader (Raja
Raam)
> > well in his, and thought that the online spiritual community might want
to
> > do the same.
>
> Dittoes here.
J-What an incredible step down....I predict, it will take 2000 years for MMY
to be recognized for what he had to offer!!
Stefan Anderson
direction of the movement. This is the first year I have had no interest in
hearing Maharishi's new years address at all,as a movement directed at the very
rich holds no interest for me.
yoganta
"Stefan Anderson" <shu...@sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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| well I hope Tony nader has the authority and the sense to totally change
the
| direction of the movement. This is the first year I have had no interest
in
| hearing Maharishi's new years address at all,as a movement directed at the
very
| rich holds no interest for me.
|
ditto
yoganta
is so preposterous that only one thing can be said - the movement's dead.
Long live the movement. Yeah yeah whatever, I puke. Judy can ratiocinate
any way she pleases but it doesn't change my basic awareness that a stupid
and moronic new cult has sprouted like rye mold onto the world scene. I can
only imaging that anyone effected hould experience an ergot-like poisoning.
eki
Just curious, what does "yoganta" mean? Is it perhaps 'yoga'+'anta'
(="yoga-end") like "vedaanta" is 'veda'+'anta'?
Tom Pall
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of soil. But he was the one scattering the seed.
Tom Pall
"yoganta" <y...@anta.com> wrote in message
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lends credence to your words.
Tom Pall
the
> direction of the movement. This is the first year I have had no interest
in
> hearing Maharishi's new years address at all,as a movement directed at the
very
> rich holds no interest for me.
>
I wonder what if a measurement of personality can be correlated with how
many years it's been since someone who used to show interest in MMY's
birthday pronouncements no longer does? For me, it's been about a decade.
ayspoze
days back posted the "thoroughly acceptable" version of
a bio of Maharishi ("He Brought to Light"). A eulogy.
ayspoze
On Mon, 13 Jan 2003 10:21:40 -0700, "Lawson English"
<engl...@mindspring.com> wrote:
Non Skeeter
"BillyG." <wmur...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> >
> > That sounds right, and it's a good move, assuming Nader knows
> > what he's doing.
>
> J-Why would you assume that? I know, you're not, actually assuming,
> anything. But then, you know what MMY says about passing on the
> knowledge.........the one who receives the knowledge, receives it at his
> level of consciousness....so, I guess we can assume, (you have used the
word
> correctly), just about anything from here on in......or is Nader, the
> King....enlightened?
>
Well I am sure Nader took the $1,000,000,00 enlightenment course... ;-)
Lawson English
Heh. The movement directed to the very rich has helped define what
consciousness is in mainstream scientific journals, has gotten major
insurance companies to help pay for instruction in its expensive meditation
technique, has gotten independent (i.e. non-meditating) researchers to
publish research showing that its technique is the best available for
treating high blood presssure, etc.
Yeah, I can see why you'd have no interest in the goings on in such an
organization.
willytex
> I'm sorry but the whole notion of having
> a king run a movement of meditators...
yoganta - Excuse me, but I think you spammed on yourself, again. The Dalai
Lama of Tibet is a king and he leads a rather large movement of meditators.
The Venerable Minam Rinpoche is a Tibetan Buddhist, right?
yoganta posted:
From: yoganta (y...@anta.com)
Subject: Buddhist Healing Cycle
Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental
Date: 2003-01-13
Venerable Minam Rinpoche
Healing and Transformation:
Buddhist Empowerments and Teachings
January 31 - February 5, 2003
Howden Hall
Bristol, Vermont
Venerable Minam Rinpoche was ordained in 1980 at Ka-Trashi Monastery of the
Drikung Kagyu tradition, where he received teachings, transmissions and
ritual instructions of the Drikung Kagyu school. Rinpoche attended the
Drikung Kagyu Institute of Buddhist Studies in India and completed the
five-year college education. With the guidance of his root lama, H.H.
Drikung Kyabgon Chetsang Rinpoche, Minam Rinpoche completed the traditional
three-year-three-month retreat. After completing the retreat, he was
appointed by H.H. Chetsang Rinpoche as the retreat master of the Ka-Trashi
Gompa, his home monastery in Tibet. In 1997, Rinpoche was recognized as a
Tulku of the Drukpa Kagyu lineage. Minam Rinpoche's other teachers include
H.E. Garchen Rinpoche and Khenchen Konchog Gyalsten Rinpoche. Please see
www.dminam.org for more details about Venerable Minam Rinpoche, his projects
and tour schedule.
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willytex
>> to be recognized for what he had to offer!!
> >
> But he was the one scattering the seed...
Tom - Yet, you were the one doing the seeking, no?
"Tom Pall" <AWAYtp...@realtimeAWAY.net>
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willytex
Skeeter - You are incorrect. According to my sources, King Nader Ram
conducted the entire enlightenment course himself.
"Non Skeeter" <NO-...@NOWAY.NOWHERE>
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willytex
ayspoze - According to my sources Maharishi 'retired' in 1977 shortly after
introducing the TM-Sidhi Programme, thirty years after he founded the SRM in
1957. Apparently, Maharishi has been on CCP for quite some time and enjoying
himself. However, being retired for Maharsihi doesn't mean being inactive.
In a recent report entitled 'Maharisihi's World' published in India Today
Plus in 1998, Hemant Kamar described a typical day for the Maharsihi:
"At this very moment the man responsible for this modern, mystical nirvana
is meditating in his glass-encased veranda. At 85, the Maharishi still
meditates six to seven hours daily and works longer than any of his ablest
lieutenants can. It is said that no one knows how many hours the Maharishi
actually sleeps. He turns in only after midnight and is up again before
dawn.
Up early at 6.00 a.m., he meditates for a while and goes walking in the
woods for a good hour or so. A quick shower after that and he is ready in a
sparkling white kurta-pyjama. A quick upma or vada-sambar with tea and off
he goes to the Maharishi's house next door in a battery-powered golf cart.
Every morning, without fail, Saxena is at the Maharishi's house sharp at
10.00 a.m. to relieve Mayur, another secretary who has been there since very
early in the morning. By 10.30 a.m. a group of people start filing into the
Maharishi's house. These are vaidyas, allopath doctors and exponents of
Jyotish and the Vedas. In a large hall right below the Maharishi's
first-floor bedroom, they take up positions before huge TV cameras. Soon
they are joined by the Maharishi himself and the day's broadcast on the
Maharishi Channel takes off."
You can read Hemant's full report here:
http://willytex.home.texas.net/latest/world.htm
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Swami Da Prem
My goodness, where have you been hiding all these months. I haven't seen
you since early or middle of last year, when you use to post sometimes on
alt.yoga.
Rascal, what have you been up to? :)
Swami Da Prem
Swami Da Prem
Good for him.
Swami
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ayspoze
<will...@texas.net> wrote:
>> I guess this may be why willytex a few days back posted
>> the "thoroughly acceptable" version of a bio of Maharishi...
>
>ayspoze - According to my sources Maharishi 'retired' in 1977 shortly after
>introducing the TM-Sidhi Programme, thirty years after he founded the SRM in
>1957. Apparently, Maharishi has been on CCP for quite some time and enjoying
>himself.
Willy: 1977 is not 30 years after 1957.
57 + 30 = 87. 77 - 30 = 47.
77 - 57 = 20. 1977 - 1957 = 20.
Twenty years, not thirty.
ayspoze
law...@pecos.invalid
Maharishi has not retired, implicitly or otherwise. He might someday,
but I doubt it will be while he is still breathing.
Kurt
Lawson English
the whole proceedings over to Tony Nader. Nader was the center of attention
for just about the entire time on Jan. 12, and every comment about specific
projects that was made by other people was in reference to "Raja Raam's
announcement" or "Raja Raam's plan," etc.
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Lawson English
declares that the year is the year of Ideal Administration which will be
conducted under the able guidance of Raja Raam.
At 1 hour 18 minutes, he goes on to "start this year now with great
surrender of our duty to the lotus feet of Gurudev, to the tradition of
Vedic masters. Jai Gurudev" (though this wording isn't quite what I thought
I heard the first time) and Nader begins to speak on what will happen over
the next year.
As I said, Maharishi will continue to teach, but he has retired from the day
to day running of the TM organization. I really don't see any other
interpretation for what was said and how it was presented.
"Lawson English" <engl...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Judy Stein
> > It seems obvious that Maharishi has decided to devote his remaining life to
> > the funding of such groups through his personalized instruction of wealthy
> > individuals and is no longer willing to divide his energy between the
> > mundane issues of running the organization that he founded and fulfilling
> > the most important goal of said organization, the creation of
> > consciousness-raising groups with a noticeable effect on the consciousness
> > and behavior of the world.
>
> > I wish Maharishi well in his endeavors and wish Tony Abu-Nader (Raja Raam)
> > well in his, and thought that the online spiritual community might want to
> > do the same.
>
> Maharishi has not retired, implicitly or otherwise. He might someday,
> but I doubt it will be while he is still breathing.
I didn't understand Lawson to say that MMY has retired, period,
but rather that he has decided to detach himself from the job
of running the movement day to day in order to devote himself
to longer-range goals.
texasnet
Did I go somewhere?
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Swami Da Prem
staying strictly on alt.yoga and alt.yogananda and only saw your replies due
to the cross-reference of the thread.
Swami
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law...@pecos.invalid
He has not done that so far. He is just as engaged in the day to
day activities now as he was on Dec. 15th (I just picked a date).
I wasn't trying to quibble. For all I know, he could quit tomarrow,
but there is no indication of that from the movement leaders I have
talked to.
Kurt
Lawson English
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[...]
> He has not done that so far. He is just as engaged in the day to
> day activities now as he was on Dec. 15th (I just picked a date).
> I wasn't trying to quibble. For all I know, he could quit tomarrow,
> but there is no indication of that from the movement leaders I have
> talked to.
What was the significance of what he said on Jan 12 then?
Non Skeeter
I have been wondering that about most of the stuff he says.
>
>
>
law...@pecos.invalid
Don't know. For one thing I can't get real playor or win media to not freeze
so I haven't seen it. I doubt I would know even then. I am just reporting.
Kurt