Gandhi's Incest with His Grand-Niece
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Ghandi.
http://www.freespeech.org/delhi/teling/a-h/gan_inc.html
Gandhi's Incest with His Grand-Niece
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Free Press Journal, January 12, 1997
The Mahatma and his `girls'
Arvind Kala
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"Bal Thackeray's sarcasm about Mahatma Gandhi being in the company of
young girls in the twilight of his life has created a mini political
storm, but his comment is based on history. In fact, Gandhi's life-long
quest to eliminate all sexual desire from his being prompted him to try
experiments which even troubled his followers. For instance, while
touring Noakhali to calm Hindu-Muslim communal passions, Gandhi shared
his bed every night with his 19-year-old great-niece and constant
companion, Manu.
This greatly shocked his followers and one of them, Nirmal Kumar Bose,
who worked closely with Gandhi during the months of 1946-47, mentioned
this in a letter he wrote to another troubled associate. Bose
wrote: "When I first learnt in detail about Gandhi's prayog or
experiment, I felt genuinely surprised. I was informed that he
sometimes asked women to share his bed and even the cover which he
used, and tried to ascertain if even the least trace of sensual feeling
had been evoked in himself or his companion.
"Personally, I would never tempt myself like that; nor would my respect
for a woman's personality permit me to treat her as an instrument of an
experiment undertaken only for my own sake. But when I learnt about
this technique of self-examination employed by Gandhiji, I felt that I
had discovered the reason why some regarded Gandhiji as their private
possession, this feeling often leading them to a kind of emotional
imbalance. The behaviour of A, B, or C, for instance, is no proof of a
healthy psychological relationship.
"Whatever may be the value of the prayog on Gandhiji's own case, it
does leave a mark of injury on the personality of others who are not of
the same moral stature as he himself is, and for whom sharing in
Gandhiji's experiment is no spiritual necessity."
These paragraphs come from a book. My days with Gandhi, that Bose wrote
in 1953. But before mailing this letter, Bose showed it to Gandhi and
Gandhi replied that his self-examination was part of his dharma. It lid
not imply any assumption of a woman's authority. Gandhi replied to Bose
thus: "I believed in a woman's perfect equality with man. My wife
was 'inferior' when she was the instrument of my lust. She ceased to be
that when she lay with me naked as my sister. If she and I were not
lustfully agitated in our minds and bodies, the contact raised both of
us ...
"I do hope you will acquit me of having any lustful designs upon women
or girls who have been naked with me.
A campaign of calumny began against him and news of his sleeping with
Manu spread intense shock among Congress leaders in Delhi waiting to
begin their critical talks with India's new Viceroy. Gandhi remained
untroubled. He calmed his immediate followers in Noakhali, but when he
sent his views to his newspaper, Harijan, about why Manu shared his
bed, the storm broke out again. Two of Harijan's editors quit in
protest. Its trustees, fearful of a scandal, did something they had
never dreamed of doing before. They refused to publish the text written
by the Mahatma.
Larry Collins and Dominique Lapierre record in Freedom at Midnight that
a series of emissaries discreetly asked Gandhi to abandon his
relationship with Manu. But he refused. He had to leave for Bihar and
he said he would take Manu along with him. Finally, Manu herself
suggested to Gandhi that they suspend the practice.
In a sense, Bal Thackeray has done a great service to India by re-
opening a part of Gandhi's life that Indians never discuss out of
misplaced loyalty to the Mahatma. The irony is that if Gandhi had been
alive, he would have welcomed Thackeray's criticism to have another
look at himself. In fact, Gandhi has already passed into history as one
of the greatest men of all times and his greatness cannot be diminished
by his sexual experiments.
Gandhi's association with young women in his last years has been
documented by several writers. One of them was Margaret Bourke-White, a
photographer of Life magazine, who spent several months in India in the
tumultuous months before Independence. In her book, Halfway to Freedom,
Bourke-White wrote that in 1946, Gandhi used to receive daily two-hour
massages from Sushila or one of his other women in his ashram. A few
decades later, American writer Ronald Segal wrote in is book, Criss of
India, that Gandhi's close association with women was frequently
harmful to them. Many of them became neurotic, few of them married or
even led normal or apparently contented lives. One of them, according
to Bourke-White, was Raj Kumari Amrit Kaur, India's first health
minister, who left her home at a young age to spend the next 30 years
around the Mahatma. A woman friend of Raj Kumari told Bourke-White that
Raj Kumari's first meeting with Gandhi "almost made a slave of her".
About Gandhi and his sexuality, we have to consult history. At 37, he
took a vow of sexual abstinence because 21 years earlier, his father
passed away in his house while Gandhi was making love to his wife in
another room. That memory always tormented Gandhi. The fact that a bout
of lust had kept him away from his father in his dying moments. So he
spent his life trying to conquer his sexual urge. The perfect
Brahmachari in Gandhi's mind was a man who could 'lie by the side even
of a Venus in all her naked beauty without being physically or mentally
disturbed'.
For years after taking his vow, Gandhi experimented with different
diets, looking for one which would have the slightest possible impact
on his sexual organs. "While thousands of Indians sought out exotic
foods to stimulate their desire, Gandhi spurned in turn, spices, green
vegetables, certain fruits, in his efforts to stifle his," wrote
Lapierre and Collins in Freedom at Midnight.
But at the age of 67, Gandhi got a shock one night when he woke up
sexually aroused. He was so anguished by 'this frightful experience'
that he swore a vow of total silence for six weeks. To master his
desires, he gradually extended the range of physical contact he allowed
himself with women. He nursed them when they were ill and allowed them
to nurse him. He took his bath in full view of his fellow ashramites,
male and female. He had his daily massage virtually naked, with young
girls most frequently serving as his masseuses. He often gave
interviews or consulted the leaders of the Congress Party while the
girls massaged him. He wore few clothes and urged his disciples, male
and female, to do likewise because clothes, he said, only encouraged a
false sense of modesty. "
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Notes to Electronic Edition
` The Mahatma and His Girls', Free Press Journal, Jan 12, 1997, by
Arvind Kala was also web-published at :
http://www.hvk.org/hvk/articles/0197/0041.html
As per Manu-Smrti, Gandhi's actions are incest.
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Nitin Batra
> Arvind Kala was also web-published at :
> http://www.hvk.org/hvk/articles/0197/0041.html
>
> As per Manu-Smrti, Gandhi's actions are incest.
Please provide the verse in Manu-smrti that says sleeping
in the same bed as your mamaji is incest.
naz...@my-deja.com
100...@rigel.oac.uci.edu>,
Nitin Batra <nba...@rigel.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
> > ` The Mahatma and His Girls', Free Press Journal, Jan 12, 1997, by
> > Arvind Kala was also web-published at :
> > http://www.hvk.org/hvk/articles/0197/0041.html
> >
> > As per Manu-Smrti, Gandhi's actions are incest.
>
> in the same bed as your mamaji is incest.
I admit it is not incest, just quoting from the web site. But do you
think it is normal practice or o.k. to sleep in the same bed as your
mamaji?
naz...@my-deja.com
100...@rigel.oac.uci.edu>,
Nitin Batra <nba...@rigel.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
> > Arvind Kala was also web-published at :
> > http://www.hvk.org/hvk/articles/0197/0041.html
> >
> > As per Manu-Smrti, Gandhi's actions are incest.
>
> in the same bed as your mamaji is incest.
I admit it is not incest, just quoting from the web site. But do you
think it is normal practice or o.k. to sleep in the same bed as your
mamaji?
Mirza Ghalib
not sleeping with his grand neice for sexual gratification
at all. He is said to have been testing his "Brahmcharya",
one of the tenets of which is absolute celebacy of the
body as well as mind. I know, the news was reported in the
press after Gandhi's lifetime, and if it is correct, I simply
conclude that Gandhi was showing signs of senility in his
old age. I doubt a man of seventy-five would have the
power even to keep awake in bed, let alone think about sex.
naz...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <Pine.SOL.4.05.10008170325010.10444-
> 100...@rigel.oac.uci.edu>,
> Nitin Batra <nba...@rigel.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
Romanize
> Mirza Ghalib <urv...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> I am not a great admirer of Gandhi. But he was
> not sleeping with his grand neice for sexual gratification
> at all. He is said to have been testing his "Brahmcharya",
> one of the tenets of which is absolute celebacy of the
> body as well as mind. I know, the news was reported in the
> press after Gandhi's lifetime, and if it is correct, I simply
> conclude that Gandhi was showing signs of senility in his
> old age. I doubt a man of seventy-five would have the
> power even to keep awake in bed, let alone think about sex.
I have never bothered to read about it, but if true he was trying to
prove something at the expense of the poor girl(s). If one wants he can
bre praised for him being candid about feeling uneasy regarding his sex
impulses. I think most people in future will free themselves from
inhibitions, repressions, oedipus complexes, narcissisums through
pornography on the internet.
--
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http://www.eurosys.net/gujarati
Shivadaasa
naz...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Is this true, i always wondered why his niece follows him in the film
> Ghandi.
>
> http://www.freespeech.org/delhi/teling/a-h/gan_inc.html
>
> Gandhi's Incest with His Grand-Niece
[.....]
This is quite possibly true. Gandhi was a demented man who for the most
part did not know what he was doing. In his book, "My Experiments With
Truth", he is quite open about sleeping with young women to find out if
he had conquered his lust.
Which is fine if he had hired prostitutes to do this job. Unfortunately,
he used his trusted followers for this sickening experiment.
Interestingly, no one seems to be interested in knowing how his victims
reacted or suffered while being used as specimens in his experiments. I
can imagine that the emotional pain and confusion caused by this crazy
man who was revered by the whole world as "Mahatma" was quite
unbearable for these poor women.
Gandhi was a bundle of emotions himself. He created or contributed to
the creation of many problems that still have not been resolved. With
all his "goodness", he was a great pain to India, both past and present.
His followers are blind to his faults and are quick to defend the
Mahatma's actions. That is called rationalization.
--
Shivadaasa
"Jagathah Pitharou Vande Paarvathee Parameshvarou"
saty...@my-deja.com
Shivadaasa <shiva...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <8ng817$56d$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> naz...@my-deja.com wrote:
film
> > Ghandi.
> >
> > http://www.freespeech.org/delhi/teling/a-h/gan_inc.html
> >
> > Gandhi's Incest with His Grand-Niece
>
>
> This is quite possibly true. Gandhi was a demented man who for the
most
> part did not know what he was doing. In his book, "My Experiments With
> Truth", he is quite open about sleeping with young women to find out
if
I vehemently disagree that this constitutes sex even remotely just
because he shared the same bed!. Gandhiji was a man of spiritual quest
and wanted to master his feelings.
To say he gave into them is nonsense. The Jains profoundly influenced
him and they have a sect whose monks dont wear clothes(digambars). We
have to be careful when we criticise people like Gandhi and try to
understand his mind and not project our views and desires on him. He
was one for going beyond the attachment to the body.
Mirza Ghalib
Bose) found him lying naked with his grand neice is
described in "Gandhi: Voice of a New Age Revolution",
by Martin Green. It happened during Gandhi's tour during the
massacres in East Bengal, and upon hearing protests
from other people in his party, he discontinued it. The book
also describes his other dalliances, all strictly platonic.
According to the book Gandhi loved female company, but never
on a physical plane.
naz...@my-deja.com
> This is quite possibly true. Gandhi was a demented man who for the
most
> part did not know what he was doing. In his book, "My Experiments With
> Truth", he is quite open about sleeping with young women to find out
if
> he had conquered his lust.
>
> Which is fine if he had hired prostitutes to do this job.
Unfortunately,
> he used his trusted followers for this sickening experiment.
>
> Interestingly, no one seems to be interested in knowing how his
victims
> reacted or suffered while being used as specimens in his experiments.
I
> can imagine that the emotional pain and confusion caused by this crazy
> man who was revered by the whole world as "Mahatma" was quite
> unbearable for these poor women.
>
> Gandhi was a bundle of emotions himself. He created or contributed to
> the creation of many problems that still have not been resolved. With
> all his "goodness", he was a great pain to India, both past and
present.
>
> His followers are blind to his faults and are quick to defend the
> Mahatma's actions. That is called rationalization.
>
> --
> Shivadaasa
> "Jagathah Pitharou Vande Paarvathee Parameshvarou"
Thanks for the reply. It looks like it had a profound affect on the
girls, see below.
Gandhi's association with young women in his last years has been
documented by several writers. One of them was Margaret Bourke-White, a
photographer of Life magazine, who spent several months in India in the
tumultuous months before Independence. In her book, Halfway to Freedom,
Bourke-White wrote that in 1946, Gandhi used to receive daily two-hour
massages from Sushila or one of his other women in his ashram. A few
decades later, American writer Ronald Segal wrote in is book, Criss of
India, that Gandhi's close association with women was frequently
harmful to them. Many of them became neurotic, few of them married or
even led normal or apparently contented lives. One of them, according
to Bourke-White, was Raj Kumari Amrit Kaur, India's first health
minister, who left her home at a young age to spend the next 30 years
around the Mahatma. A woman friend of Raj Kumari told Bourke-White that
Raj Kumari's first meeting with Gandhi "almost made a slave of her".
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saty...@my-deja.com
> documented by several writers. One of them was Margaret Bourke-White,
a
> photographer of Life magazine, who spent several months in India in
the
> tumultuous months before Independence. In her book, Halfway to
Freedom,
> Bourke-White wrote that in 1946, Gandhi used to receive daily two-hour
> massages from Sushila or one of his other women in his ashram. A few
> decades later, American writer Ronald Segal wrote in is book, Criss of
> India, that Gandhi's close association with women was frequently
> harmful to them. Many of them became neurotic, few of them married or
> even led normal or apparently contented lives. One of them, according
> to Bourke-White, was Raj Kumari Amrit Kaur, India's first health
> minister, who left her home at a young age to spend the next 30 years
> around the Mahatma. A woman friend of Raj Kumari told Bourke-White
that
> Raj Kumari's first meeting with Gandhi "almost made a slave of her".
So did Jesus Christ who attracted Brides!!! This kind of
interpretation is nonsense! Muslims say they are slaves of Mohammad!!!
All this is immature and rubbish. U have to elevate ur self to even
understand Gandhi!
naz...@my-deja.com
> So did Jesus Christ who attracted Brides!!! This kind of
> interpretation is nonsense! Muslims say they are slaves of Mohammad!!!
> All this is immature and rubbish. U have to elevate ur self to even
> understand Gandhi!
I disagree with you that Jesus attracted brides. Face the facts, Ghandi
did sleep naked with his niece and other women. He even admits it in
his Autobiography. Also, read Mirza Ghalibs article.
Shivadaasa
saty...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <8nj36e$d7s$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> naz...@my-deja.com wrote:
> >
> >
> > > This is quite possibly true. Gandhi was a demented man who for the
[....]
> So did Jesus Christ who attracted Brides!!! This kind of
> interpretation is nonsense! Muslims say they are slaves of Mohammad!!!
> All this is immature and rubbish. U have to elevate ur self to even
> understand Gandhi!
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
You have a great name (Satya) but you somehow sound like one incapable
of digesting the Truth.
Throw away all these prejudices in your mind and start looking at the
world like an impassionate Lord Shiva (with the poison in His throat)
would, and you will see the Supreme Truth.
Gandhi slept with girls to test his victory over sexual urges. If this
is not sex (like you suggest in the other post), I don't know what is.
Let's face it! Gandhi did many ugly things in his life. But all those
are drowned in the tremendous applause the western world has been
according him. Humble Indians such as yourself have been beaming at all
the attention given to this imbecile.
If you strip all the jewelry off his pedestal, then you will see Gandhi
as ugliness personified.
By the way, Jesus Christ himself did not ask for any brides. That came
much later. Mohammed was a womanizer and a great butcher of humanity.
Gandhi undoubtedly was better than him. But comparing Gandhi to Christ
is totally immature.
--
Shivadaasa
"Jagathah Pitharou Vande Paarvathee Parameshvarou"
saty...@my-deja.com
Shivadaasa <shiva...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> In article <8nj9dj$k3u$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> saty...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > In article <8nj36e$d7s$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > naz...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > > This is quite possibly true. Gandhi was a demented man who for
the
>
> [....]
>
> > So did Jesus Christ who attracted Brides!!! This kind of
> > interpretation is nonsense! Muslims say they are slaves of
Mohammad!!!
> > All this is immature and rubbish. U have to elevate ur self to even
> > understand Gandhi!
> >
> of digesting the Truth.
>
> Throw away all these prejudices in your mind and start looking at the
> world like an impassionate Lord Shiva (with the poison in His throat)
> would, and you will see the Supreme Truth.
>
> Gandhi slept with girls to test his victory over sexual urges. If this
> is not sex (like you suggest in the other post), I don't know what is.
>
> Let's face it! Gandhi did many ugly things in his life. But all those
> are drowned in the tremendous applause the western world has been
> according him. Humble Indians such as yourself have been beaming at
all
> the attention given to this imbecile.
>
> If you strip all the jewelry off his pedestal, then you will see
Gandhi
> as ugliness personified.
>
> By the way, Jesus Christ himself did not ask for any brides. That came
> much later. Mohammed was a womanizer and a great butcher of humanity.
> Gandhi undoubtedly was better than him. But comparing Gandhi to Christ
> is totally immature.
>
> --
> Shivadaasa
> "Jagathah Pitharou Vande Paarvathee Parameshvarou"
U are a bhaktha of the Supreme Lord Shiva. So u get some concessions!!!
Tell me what u mean by sleeping with? Does that mean he had sexual
intercourse? Gandhi slept in the same bed!! Did so to test his
brahmacharya! That is all in history! Sexual intercourse is ur
imagination. Verify facts please.Please.
Om namah sivaaya!
Romanize
>saty...@my-deja.com wrote:
>U are a bhaktha of the Supreme Lord Shiva.So u get some concessions!!!
> Tell me what u mean by sleeping with? Does that mean he had sexual
> intercourse? Gandhi slept in the same bed!! Did so to test his
> brahmacharya!
I am not sure if you know anything about human beings. You know at what
age Gandhi got married and what age his wife was? Do you know humans of
what age exposed to physical reality of those other than their parents
form impressions about their own sexual worth? Do you know at what age a
girl enters puberty? What mental state children are at the onset of
puberty?
Why did Gandhi not hire services of a whore to test his brahmacharya? I
am sure she would have not charged him for her time. With fully
developed body she could have been a better test material than prepubert
or just pubert girl.
If it was or has been testing your own brahmacharya who would you sleep
with?
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Let k t p represent vowel A in them.
http://www.eurosys.net/gujarati
Shomir
> I am not sure if you know anything about human beings. You know at what
> age Gandhi got married and what age his wife was? Do you know humans of
> what age exposed to physical reality of those other than their parents
> form impressions about their own sexual worth? Do you know at what age a
> girl enters puberty? What mental state children are at the onset of
> puberty?
> Why did Gandhi not hire services of a whore to test his brahmacharya? I
> am sure she would have not charged him for her time. With fully
> developed body she could have been a better test material than prepubert
> or just pubert girl.
> If it was or has been testing your own brahmacharya who would you sleep
> with?
Whatever experimentation Mr. Gandhi might have participated in at that
ripe old age of 75 or so, does not display a sense of good judgment, in
my opinion. I dare ask how would it be perceived if one tries the same
experiment today? What was it that he (Gandhi) wanted to prove, and why
was it important? Indeed, I see it as a form of perversion, and no
matter how one tries to rationalize, it still stinks badly.
Shomir
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Mirza Ghalib
Gandhi's credibility, already shaky in 1946-47. Let us simply
assume that he was a little cranky.
In Hindu belief, loss of semen from body adversely
affects other functions, such as intelligence, memory,
physical well being, etc. This is an erroneous belief.
Following Gandhi's footsteps, Jaya Prakash Narain and
Morarji Desai had also taken vows of lifelong celibacy.
I undersrtand in case of JP, who died childless, it caused
some dissensions in their marital life.
On a very light note, whores also expect some action,
they do not want to be paid for nothing.
Romanize wrote:
>
> I am not sure if you know anything about human beings. You know at what
> age Gandhi got married and what age his wife was? Do you know humans of
> what age exposed to physical reality of those other than their parents
> form impressions about their own sexual worth? Do you know at what age a
> girl enters puberty? What mental state children are at the onset of
> puberty?
> Why did Gandhi not hire services of a whore to test his brahmacharya? I
> am sure she would have not charged him for her time. With fully
> developed body she could have been a better test material than prepubert
> or just pubert girl.
> If it was or has been testing your own brahmacharya who would you sleep
> with?
>
> --
> Let k t p represent vowel A in them.
> http://www.eurosys.net/gujarati
>
Mirza Ghalib
Sarika Gurpur wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> This is my first attempt at the newsgroup and read with profound confusion
> on the above topic! Wat I cant understand despite the truth of the matter
> or not, why all these people are so worked up about it? and why they'd feel
> they are in a position to judge/comment on Mahatma, Jesus of Nazarath or
> even Mohd! These are historical figures who have impacted and contributed
> to the shaping of the present. Why not leave it at that? Unless there is a
> room of improvement one feels they can learn fr these people...hmmmm??
>
> Thanks for the attention!
Mo
your grandaughter will it be such a terrible thing ?
For a grandfather who married a six year old child Muslims can hardly
point the finger at others who didnt have sex ..
Sarika Gurpur
news:399DBB3C...@My-dejanews.com...
> Romanize wrote:
>
> > I am not sure if you know anything about human beings. You know at what
> > age Gandhi got married and what age his wife was? Do you know humans of
> > what age exposed to physical reality of those other than their parents
> > form impressions about their own sexual worth? Do you know at what age a
> > girl enters puberty? What mental state children are at the onset of
> > puberty?
> > Why did Gandhi not hire services of a whore to test his brahmacharya? I
> > am sure she would have not charged him for her time. With fully
> > developed body she could have been a better test material than prepubert
> > or just pubert girl.
> > If it was or has been testing your own brahmacharya who would you sleep
> > with?
>
>
> ripe old age of 75 or so, does not display a sense of good judgment, in
> my opinion. I dare ask how would it be perceived if one tries the same
> experiment today? What was it that he (Gandhi) wanted to prove, and why
> was it important? Indeed, I see it as a form of perversion, and no
> matter how one tries to rationalize, it still stinks badly.
>
> Shomir
>
> ====================
Hi All,
Shomir
old man corrupting the morals of a child, can be a leader to you, but in
my book, he is a pervert. Tell me, what was he proving? At 70 years of
age, what did he expect..stars flying?? Imagine the scandal it will be,
if any of today's politicians, say Atal Bihari Vajpayee tried the same
experiment! Would you accept that for any reason? If not, what is so
sacred about a mortal soul, who pretended to be a mahatma? By the way,
I am not aware of any instances where Jesus of Nazareth performed any
such "experiments" even before he was crucified at a premature age! I
know Mohammed did have a 6 year old girl for his legal wife, so he did
not have to pretend or prove anything! At least Mohammed was honest!
The way I see it is.. if it waddles like a duck... quacks like a duck...
it probably is a duck! Our mortal soul was just that, a little old,
senile and perhaps a little perverted. Most humans will acknowledge
that it was a sorry episode, and will apologize, unfortunately our
"mahatma" came out swinging the "bat"... claiming total immunity from
alleged acts of impropriety!! Such is the state of our beloved, holy
motherland!
Shomir
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Romanize
>This is my first attempt at the newsgroup and read with profound
>confusion on the above topic! Wat I cant understand despite the truth
>of the matter or not, why all these people are so worked up about it?
>and why they'd feel they are in a position to judge/comment on
>Mahatma, Jesus of Nazarath or even Mohd! These are historical figures
>who have impacted and contributed to the shaping of the present. Why
>not leave it at that? Unless there is a room of improvement one feels
>they can learn fr these people...hmmmm??
Yes there is room for improvement, lots of it, particularly for the
youth of India that they come to grips with sexual realities and are
not carried away by socalled experiments of truth of a man who was born
exactly two kilometers away from where I was born. Mirza Galib has
written elsewhere on this very thread about our foolish tradition of
conserving semen. Let me add to it. As a young boy in puberty I was
thoroughly confused about sex, particularly when I read that to be
powerful one must not only not let a drop of semen fall out but become
urdhvaretas, meaning, take all the semen up in one's brain because true
strength is semen and pumped up in brain by yaugika powers one can
become powerful enough to create other universes like Vishvamitra did
for Trishanku. The absurdity of the tenets went as far as propounding
that in the intercourse with a woman man is not only not supposed to
let his semen go (which is good as far as it tells one the desirability
of not ejaculating till female partner is all set for orgasm) but man
is supposed to syphon up whatever retas (the semen counterpart) woman
is releasing by way of orgasm (though I really doubt if kaamasuutra has
anything really worthwhile on female orgasm), so much so that a Yogi
can eat off one after another many women, may be even continue such
eating ups to ensure his immortality.
The intention of the person who started the thread were thoroughly
dishonourable, the person thought Indians will die of shame and
publicly accept their humiliation vis a vis triumphant Pakistanis.
Well, India can survive by utter rationality and Indians better begin
to question irrationality of their own parents.
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this:
>:>Well, India can survive by utter rationality and Indians better begin
>:>to question irrationality of their own parents.
My mother used to shout at me if I asked her where she was going when
she was leaving the house. So to irritate her I'd make it a point to
ask her all the same and now she doesn't care for that silly
superstition. There are many such silly belief's in our "culture" and
certain people seek to "protect" our "culture". The day of the thought
and moral police is not very far off.
Chirag Patnaik
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Nitin Batra
spade, and never call it either more positively than it is-- a scepter--
or more negative than it is-- a machete. just call it what is. So call
sexism, sexism--- but do not call it incest- it is not incest to sleep in
the same bed as your mamaji, nor call it innocent-- it was not innocent.
On Sat, 19 Aug 2000, Shomir wrote:
> Date: Sat, 19 Aug 2000 04:53:25 GMT
> From: Shomir <sho...@My-dejanews.com>
> Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian, alt.religion.hindu, uk.religion.hindu
> Subject: Re: Gandhi's Incest with His Grand-Niece
Nitin Batra
> to the shaping of the present. Why not leave it at that? Unless there is a
> room of improvement one feels they can learn fr these people...hmmmm??
the point of such information as Shomir's is exactly to leave it
at that, as you say--that they have impacted history--today, most of us
don't leave it at their historical contribution, but take them as
infallible and do idiotic, idiotic things in their name, acting without
reason because of blind faith in them...Shomir's information about MK
Gandhi reveals that the man was a sexist and that we should hold reason
higher than MKG-worship, Jesus-worship, or Mohammed-worship. Sometimes,
they were right; sometimes, they were wrong...Jesus said never get
divorced no matter what...well what about divorcing someone beating and
abusing his/her spouse or child!!!...only last year did Ireland legalize
divorce because of this silly hero-worship.
sandeep patel
have to do incest?
saty...@my-deja.com
naz...@my-deja.com wrote:
>
> > So did Jesus Christ who attracted Brides!!! This kind of
> > interpretation is nonsense! Muslims say they are slaves of
Mohammad!!!
> > All this is immature and rubbish. U have to elevate ur self to even
> > understand Gandhi!
>
Ghandi
> did sleep naked with his niece and other women. He even admits it in
> his Autobiography. Also, read Mirza Ghalibs article.
Do u know what being the bride of christ means? AlsoSleeping with is
not sex. Bet that. That is what Gandhi wanted u to know that animals
only think of sex and mating automatically and humans have a will that
they can use . May be the muslim mind can never understand that.
Thoku 123
As if he (gandhi) would announce his physical encounters with females!
Come off dude have some sense.
Thoku 123
In article <399CCB6D...@ix.netcom.com>,
Mirza Ghalib
purpose that you describe was Gandhi's motive. What
he wanted was to test whether he was aroused in the
company of a young woman, or not. In other words, if he
had an erection, he would have flunked in his Brahmachaya.
He never published the results of this test, but guess
he passed. Bizarre, is it not, from the "father of the nation"?
Martin Green's book also indicates that the same girl used to
administer enema to Gandhi in morning of the day on which
he used to keep a fast. Apparently, he used to be a little cranky
when the tube was inserted, and he chided the
poor girl often. This bit of trivia is also from the same
book.
saty...@my-deja.com wrote:
naz...@my-deja.com
to sleep in the same bed. In regards to your second point, there have
been many articles posted on this ng to clarify that situation.
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Shivadaasa <shiva...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
news:8nhikb$nqo$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <8ng817$56d$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> naz...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > Is this true, i always wondered why his niece follows him in the film
> > Ghandi.
> >
> > http://www.freespeech.org/delhi/teling/a-h/gan_inc.html
> >
> > Gandhi's Incest with His Grand-Niece
>
> [.....]
>
> This is quite possibly true. Gandhi was a demented man who for the most
> part did not know what he was doing. In his book, "My Experiments With
> Truth", he is quite open about sleeping with young women to find out if
> he had conquered his lust.
>
> Which is fine if he had hired prostitutes to do this job. Unfortunately,
> he used his trusted followers for this sickening experiment.
>
> Interestingly, no one seems to be interested in knowing how his victims
> reacted or suffered while being used as specimens in his experiments. I
> can imagine that the emotional pain and confusion caused by this crazy
> man who was revered by the whole world as "Mahatma" was quite
> unbearable for these poor women.
>
> Gandhi was a bundle of emotions himself. He created or contributed to
> the creation of many problems that still have not been resolved. With
> all his "goodness", he was a great pain to India, both past and present.
>
> His followers are blind to his faults and are quick to defend the
> Mahatma's actions. That is called rationalization.
>
> --
> Shivadaasa
> "Jagathah Pitharou Vande Paarvathee Parameshvarou"
>
>
Sunil
saty...@my-deja.com wrote:
> In article <8njm8r$3ru$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> Shivadaasa <shiva...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> > In article <8nj9dj$k3u$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > saty...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > In article <8nj36e$d7s$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
> > > naz...@my-deja.com wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > This is quite possibly true. Gandhi was a demented man who for
> the
> >
> > [....]
> >
> > > So did Jesus Christ who attracted Brides!!! This kind of
> > > interpretation is nonsense! Muslims say they are slaves of
> Mohammad!!!
> > > All this is immature and rubbish. U have to elevate ur self to even
> > > understand Gandhi!
> > >
> > > Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> > > Before you buy.
> > >
> >
> > You have a great name (Satya) but you somehow sound like one incapable
> > of digesting the Truth.
> >
> > Throw away all these prejudices in your mind and start looking at the
> > world like an impassionate Lord Shiva (with the poison in His throat)
> > would, and you will see the Supreme Truth.
> >
> > Gandhi slept with girls to test his victory over sexual urges. If this
> > is not sex (like you suggest in the other post), I don't know what is.
> >
> > Let's face it! Gandhi did many ugly things in his life. But all those
> > are drowned in the tremendous applause the western world has been
> > according him. Humble Indians such as yourself have been beaming at
> all
> > the attention given to this imbecile.
> >
> > If you strip all the jewelry off his pedestal, then you will see
> Gandhi
> > as ugliness personified.
> >
> > By the way, Jesus Christ himself did not ask for any brides. That came
> > much later. Mohammed was a womanizer and a great butcher of humanity.
> > Gandhi undoubtedly was better than him. But comparing Gandhi to Christ
> > is totally immature.
> >
> > --
> > Shivadaasa
> > "Jagathah Pitharou Vande Paarvathee Parameshvarou"
>
> U are a bhaktha of the Supreme Lord Shiva. So u get some concessions!!!
> Tell me what u mean by sleeping with? Does that mean he had sexual
> intercourse? Gandhi slept in the same bed!! Did so to test his
> brahmacharya! That is all in history! Sexual intercourse is ur
> imagination. Verify facts please.Please.
Stupid Satya says Gandhi slept with his niece for testing his Brahmacharya !
What if he had failed ? Niece is essentially your daughter.
Will you sleep with your daughter, mother, or sister to perform such tests?
The whole idea behind Gandhi's experiment rakes with filth and disregard for
women. He had achieved a certain level of consciousness but he was still
very far away from God.
Sunil (A Proud Dalit)
>
> Om namah sivaaya!
Sunil
Sunil (A proud Dalit)
Mirza Ghalib wrote:
> Hiring a whore would have completely destroyed
> Gandhi's credibility, already shaky in 1946-47. Let us simply
> assume that he was a little cranky.
>
> In Hindu belief, loss of semen from body adversely
> affects other functions, such as intelligence, memory,
> physical well being, etc.
Crazy Hindu beliefs ! Loss of semen affects intelligence, can you believe
that?
> This is an erroneous belief.
> Following Gandhi's footsteps, Jaya Prakash Narain and
> Morarji Desai had also taken vows of lifelong celibacy.
> I undersrtand in case of JP, who died childless, it caused
> some dissensions in their marital life.
>
> On a very light note, whores also expect some action,
> they do not want to be paid for nothing.
How do you know? They essentially just care for money.
>
>
> Romanize wrote:
>
> >
> > I am not sure if you know anything about human beings. You know at what
> > age Gandhi got married and what age his wife was? Do you know humans of
> > what age exposed to physical reality of those other than their parents
> > form impressions about their own sexual worth? Do you know at what age a
> > girl enters puberty? What mental state children are at the onset of
> > puberty?
> > Why did Gandhi not hire services of a whore to test his brahmacharya? I
> > am sure she would have not charged him for her time. With fully
> > developed body she could have been a better test material than prepubert
> > or just pubert girl.
> > If it was or has been testing your own brahmacharya who would you sleep
> > with?
> >
> > --
> > Let k t p represent vowel A in them.
> > http://www.eurosys.net/gujarati
> >
Shivadaasa
<Pine.SOL.4.05.100081...@rigel.oac.uci.edu>,
Nitin Batra <nba...@rigel.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
> Sarika, I don't follow your second question, but.....
>
> the point of such information as Shomir's is exactly to leave it
> at that, as you say--that they have impacted history--today, most of
us
> don't leave it at their historical contribution, but take them as
> infallible and do idiotic, idiotic things in their name, acting
without
> reason because of blind faith in them...Shomir's information about MK
> Gandhi reveals that the man was a sexist and that we should hold
reason
> higher than MKG-worship, Jesus-worship, or Mohammed-worship.
Sometimes,
> they were right; sometimes, they were wrong...Jesus said never get
> divorced no matter what...well what about divorcing someone beating
and
> abusing his/her spouse or child!!!...only last year did Ireland
legalize
> divorce because of this silly hero-worship.
Very good post, Nitin. I could'nt agree with you more.
--
Shivadaasa
"Jagathah Pitharou Vande Paarvathee Parameshvarou"
Shivadaasa
<Pine.SOL.4.05.100081...@rigel.oac.uci.edu>,
Nitin Batra <nba...@rigel.oac.uci.edu> wrote:
> spade, and never call it either more positively than it is-- a
scepter--
> or more negative than it is-- a machete. just call it what is. So
call
in
> the same bed as your mamaji, nor call it innocent-- it was not
innocent.
If you are five years old and still sleep with your mamaji, then there
is no problem. In such a case, you are only craving for love, warmth and
reassurance. But if you are in your sixties, still fully capable of an
erection and sleep with your niece with the thought of sex firmly
planted in your mind (or excluded from your mind, which is basically
the same thing), then it does tantamount to incest.
People living in the north pole freely sleep with one another's wives;
but in this case, another's wife is just a bundle of warmth. No sexual
thoughts are explicitly expressed here, althought they may implicitly
exist in a few cases. In most cases, however, incest or adultery do not
exist for the Eskimo. A little different from the case of our "Mahatma",
don't you think?
I would maintain that if Gandhi had masturbated a million times with
pictures of whoever he was in love with, it would have been a lot better
than this stupid act. Because here, he hurt other human beings, rather
permanently in some cases.
Shivadaasa
Romanize <joshi...@my-deja.com> wrote:
> Well, India can survive by utter rationality and Indians better begin
> to question irrationality of their own parents.
Excellent post.
I myself had been taught that saving the semen is very important for
one's own development but I found out quickly that doing so results in
such bitter-sweet feelings.
Hindus believe in many silly things. Superstitions abound in India. We
need to re-educate our people in all superstitious matters.
But I have not read any scriptures regarding the Urdhvarethas and other
ideas you have described. Do you have references? Thanks.
Romanize
> > Yes there is room for improvement, lots of it, particularly for the
> > youth of India that they come to grips with sexual realities and are
>>not carried away by socalled experiments oftruth of a man who was born
> > exactly two kilometers away from where I was born. Mirza Galib has
> > written elsewhere on this very thread about our foolish tradition of
> > conserving semen. Let me add to it. As a young boy in puberty I was
> > thoroughly confused about sex, particularly when I read that to be
>>powerful one must not only not let a drop of semen fallout but become
>>urdhvaretas, meaning, take all the semen upin one's brain because true
> > strength is semen and pumped up in brain by yaugika powers one can
>>become powerful enough to create other universes like Vishvamitra did
>>for Trishanku. The absurdity of the tenets went as far as propounding
> > that in the intercourse with a woman man is not only not supposed to
>>let his semen go (which is good as far as it tells one thedesirability
>>of not ejaculating till female partner is all set for orgasm) but man
>>is supposed to syphon up whatever retas (the semen counterpart) woman
>>is releasing by way of orgasm (though Ireally doubt if kaamasuutra has
>> anything really worthwhile on female orgasm), so much so that a Yogi
>> can eat off one after another many women, may be even continue such
>> eating ups to ensure his immortality.
>> The intention of the person who started the thread were thoroughly
> > dishonourable, the person thought Indians will die of shame and
> > publicly accept their humiliation vis a vis triumphant Pakistanis.
>>Well,India can survive by utter rationality and Indians better begin
> > to question irrationality of their own parents.
> Shivadaasa <shiva...@my-deja.com> wrote
> Excellent post.
> I myself had been taught that saving the semen is very important for
> one's own development but I found out quickly that doing so results in
> such bitter-sweet feelings.
Unfortunately in Indian tradition there is no rational thought on this
aspect. Even in Western culture I doubt if youngsters are given proper
constructive info about sexuality. Most man woman relation problems
emanate from hush up manner sexuality related issues get talked.
> Hindus believe in many silly things. Superstitions abound in India. We
> need to re-educate our people in all superstitious matters.
>
>But I have not read any scriptures regarding the Urdhvarethas and other
> ideas you have described. Do you have references? Thanks.
I havent read anything, not even kaamasutra, but have been in Sanskrit
PaaThashaalaa environment for practicall all my student years, where
most these things are discussed as word of mouth fashion. I believe
there is something written on it in Taantrik tradition.
--
Let k t p represent vowel A in them.
http://www.eurosys.net/gujarati
Y2K Pagan
this:
>:>Mirza, you are a Moron.
Why?
V.C.Vijayaraghavan
> Stupid Satya says Gandhi slept with his niece for testing his Brahmacharya !
> What if he had failed ?
Good point. It is egoecentric to involve minors and dependents in your alleged
experiments to control your sex desires