A.M.U. MUSLIMS SUPPORT PAKI CRICKET TEAM
Dr. Jai Maharaj
[ From: "G.Subramaniam" <gsu...@comcast.net>
[ Subject: AMU muslims support Pakistani cricket team
[ Date: Sun, 21 Mar 2004
Rediff
In Aligarh Muslim University in Uttar Pradesh, the common
room of each hostel is like a war room with supporters of
India and Pakistan sitting separately.
"The supporters of the winning team take out procession
in the hostel to embarrass their opponents," says
research scholar Sauban Ghani, who stays in Sir Syed
Hall. It's a good fun. But it becomes dirty when people
start abusing others.
"I see many people who become very emotional. I cannot do
that and it is foolish."
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Neil Kashmiri - Hindu Sikh
Porkistan!
Dr. Jai Maharaj <use...@mantra.com> wrote in message
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Satya Das
"Neil Kashmiri - Hindu Sikh" <neil_k...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> If they love Porkistan so much then they should be sent "paking" to
> Porkistan!
At least they know to love.
But think of yourself,
how unlucky you are that you know to hate.
kris
Satya Das
Dont be a fucking Gandhi and let the rest of remaining India to be infested
with ENEMY LOVING TRAITAROUS muslim pigs.
"Satya Das" <sr...@adobe.com> wrote in message
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kris
kicked out of India and air dropped in their LAND OF THE PURE namely
PUKISTAN which was EXCLUSIVELY created for these pigs.
"Dr. Jai Maharaj" <use...@mantra.com> wrote in message
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Kshatriya
> news:c3ma59$t3d$1...@merki.connect.com.au...
> > If they love Porkistan so much then they should be sent "paking" to
> > Porkistan!
>
> At least they know to love.
> But think of yourself,
> how unlucky you are that you know to hate.
>
To love Pakistan you have to hate India , because Pakistan stands for
everything that India is against. Of course what would a
psuedo-secularist idiot like you know about the danger posed by these
Paki sympathisers?
Right now these "Paki" sympathisers would be about 30% of muslims and
6-7% of population, so they cannot pose a threat but what will you do
when they become the majority ? This is a danger which MUST be
confronted now through education and if necesary , packing away the
Paki sympathiser traitors to Pakistan.
Bangladesh was Hindu majority in 1800's , during independence it was
nearly 40% Hindu and now it is only 10% left with the remaining Hindus
being terrorized to flee or convert. It is a succesfull case of a
moderate muslim area being radicalized by Saudi and Gulf money and
hatred of idolators to becoming another Dar-ul-Islam. Now the people
there openly destroy any Durga Pundals , and adopt the Arab Burqa tent
culture throwing away thier glorius Hindu culture and past. Waste
Bengal is on a similar path too under the cowardly communist traitors.
Same is the case of Pakistan , 30-40% Hindu/Sikh during independence
and almost nothing left now. The ancient festivals and culture are
banned and the Arab Burqa tent culture has destroyed the colourful
local culture there too.
You cal yourself "Satya" Das but you fail to see the truth written on
the wall. The RADICAL muslims must be dealth with.
kris
"Kshatriya" <kshatriy...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Well said Kshatriya. We also have to deal the millions of these BLIND enemy
loving psecs like Satya too.
Satya Das
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> > "Neil Kashmiri - Hindu Sikh" <neil_k...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:c3ma59$t3d$1...@merki.connect.com.au...
> > > If they love Porkistan so much then they should be sent "paking" to
> > > Porkistan!
> >
> > At least they know to love.
> > But think of yourself,
> > how unlucky you are that you know to hate.
> >
>
> To love Pakistan you have to hate India , because Pakistan stands for
> everything that India is against. Of course what would a
> psuedo-secularist idiot like you know about the danger posed by these
> Paki sympathisers?
> Right now these "Paki" sympathisers would be about 30% of muslims and
> 6-7% of population, so they cannot pose a threat but what will you do
> when they become the majority ? This is a danger which MUST be
> confronted now through education and if necesary , packing away the
> Paki sympathiser traitors to Pakistan.
When you will start thinking in a different way you will get a better and
realistic picture.
Stop thinking in terms of the magnificent threat that never existed and will
never exist.
See it is a fact that we have got some people in our society who do not love
our country; there is no doubt about it.
But thinking radically to solve this problem will only create a great chaos
and will eventually make the situation worse.
We have seen Ghodhra and we have seen the aftermath of Godhra; how long we
can see these things happening?
The way you want to solve the problem is not new, it has been implemented
many times and being implemented right from the time muslim-invaders invaded
us, and you know the result. We came under british rule, we faced the deadly
and bloody partican. We have seen roits of Meruth, Bhagalpur, and Gujrat.
It's time to realize the situation.
Since we have seen many failures of the solutions that have been floating on
this news-group by people who have got anti-islam mentality we need to
revise the solutions again. Lets talk practically: You say send all muslims
to pakistan, think again, this statement can not come from a mind who thinks
logically and realistically. It can come from the mind who just hates,
without knowing the consequence. If the consequence is not very bad it is at
least fruitless.
The solution would be to accept all indians as our brother.
Accept the pro-pakistani indians as brother who has broken the norms of the
society.
It is our responsibiliy to make our brother realize he has taken the wrong
path.
To me this only seems to be a solution, and if this and only this is not
done then 100 years down the line indians will be discussing the same thing.
I can bet on this prophecy.
> Bangladesh was Hindu majority in 1800's , during independence it was
> nearly 40% Hindu and now it is only 10% left with the remaining Hindus
> being terrorized to flee or convert. It is a succesfull case of a
> moderate muslim area being radicalized by Saudi and Gulf money and
> hatred of idolators to becoming another Dar-ul-Islam. Now the people
> there openly destroy any Durga Pundals , and adopt the Arab Burqa tent
> culture throwing away thier glorius Hindu culture and past. Waste
> Bengal is on a similar path too under the cowardly communist traitors.
> Same is the case of Pakistan , 30-40% Hindu/Sikh during independence
> and almost nothing left now. The ancient festivals and culture are
> banned and the Arab Burqa tent culture has destroyed the colourful
> local culture there too.
When you compare Bangladesh with India you are actually doing harm to the
reputation of India in your own mind.
And how sad you are unaware of your own mind.
> You cal yourself "Satya" Das but you fail to see the truth written on
> the wall. The RADICAL muslims must be dealth with.
My parents gave me this name, so it is not only me who calls me Satya.
I did see the truth in true form, you saw the truth in a different form.
If still you are not convinced then I may suggest you a different path to
look at the situation.
First you need to understand that it was not you who had decided to get
birth in a Hindu family.
It just happened that your parents are Hindu.
Suppose you had got a fairly good logical understanding and your parents
were Muslims.
Then by seeing pro-Pakistani Muslim brothers around you, you might have
thought to make them understand about their ignorance.
The same solution need to be applied regardless of the fact that you are a
non-Muslim.
Since it was not your decision to take birth in a Hindu family you have to
deal with Muslims as if you were born in a Muslim family.
Satya Das
I know you can not understand the saying 'ignorance is bliss', so I can
not make you accountable for the wrong you have done.
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kris
SELF LOATHING pussies like you are more dangerous than the hindu hating puki
muslims or indian muslims.
Morons of your ilk should be purged first from india. You immature kunts can
never see the reality.
"Satya Das" <sr...@adobe.com> wrote in message
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indic
Have you tried to use a white flag against a leopard, or a tiger? Will they
understand your message of "love"?
The pro-pak muslims are as dumb as those animals who will not understand
either.
Yes, killing or deporting may not be the practical solutions, but we atleast
need to keep their population at bay and monitor their activities.
We need to pass some laws if necessary.
They are useless elements whose contribution to the nation is negative. They
will give birth to generations of useless elements who will be taught to
grow anti-Indian feelings.
Now keep in mind there are useless hindu elements as well as very useful
muslim elements. But the topic of this discussion is about the anti-indian
muslims.
kris
"indic" <indic@india,net> wrote in message
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>
> Have you tried to use a white flag against a leopard, or a tiger? Will
they
> understand your message of "love"?
> The pro-pak muslims are as dumb as those animals who will not understand
> either.
>
> Yes, killing or deporting may not be the practical solutions, but we
atleast
> need to keep their population at bay and monitor their activities.
> We need to pass some laws if necessary.
>
> They are useless elements whose contribution to the nation is negative.
They
> will give birth to generations of useless elements who will be taught to
> grow anti-Indian feelings.
They dont just grow up with anti-indian feelings, they END UP AS TERRORISTS.
Satya Das
And if you really want to show that Muslims are bad, you start calling
yourself a Muslim.
I do not see any other way to make more harm to the religion you hate.
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Kshatriya
You fool , 60 years back Bangladesh was PART of India. The
psuedo-secularist and leftist scum in there were supporting the
radical muslims , thinking that they could "impress" them about
becoming modern and civilized. What instead happened was that after
Independence ALL leftists and pseudo-secularists , and a lot of Hindus
were targeted and KILLED like rats. This is a lesson of history that
Hindus and Sikhs of India must always be wary about. Once these
radical terrorists become the majority they will ruthlessly and
mercilessly carry out thier agenda just the way it has been done in
Bangladesh.
>
> > You cal yourself "Satya" Das but you fail to see the truth written on
> > the wall. The RADICAL muslims must be dealth with.
>
> My parents gave me this name, so it is not only me who calls me Satya.
> I did see the truth in true form, you saw the truth in a different form.
>
> If still you are not convinced then I may suggest you a different path to
> look at the situation.
> First you need to understand that it was not you who had decided to get
> birth in a Hindu family.
> It just happened that your parents are Hindu.
> Suppose you had got a fairly good logical understanding and your parents
> were Muslims.
> Then by seeing pro-Pakistani Muslim brothers around you, you might have
> thought to make them understand about their ignorance.
> The same solution need to be applied regardless of the fact that you are a
> non-Muslim.
> Since it was not your decision to take birth in a Hindu family you have to
> deal with Muslims as if you were born in a Muslim family.
The fact is i am a Hindu and proud to be one , celebrating the
coulorful festivals like Diwali, Dusshera , Holi and many others. I do
not go around telling everyone to kill all non-Hindu's unlike the hate
filled quotes in the Koran encouraging muslims to kill all non-muslims
and idolators. This very extreme part of the Koran is what these
radical scum believe in and unfortunately the only way to deal with
them is to throw them out of the country and make an example of them.
Only the famous chappal and beatings will bring these mujahideen scum
to thier senses , they are immune to logic after reading Koran for
years in madrassahs.
It is easy for an Indian like you living in the US who is far removed
from reality to fantasise about reasoning with these people. You talk
about Godhra, but what about the 100+ riots like Godhra where Hindus
were killed ? Even Godhra would never have occured if it weren't for
the outrage at the train. What about Marad in Kerala where Hindus were
senselessly killed without any reason, none of the psuedo-secs like
you talk about it. Unlike Bilkis Yakoob they were just mere Hindus or
Sikhs like Khem Singh (
http://in.rediff.com/news/2004/mar/22rajeev.htm ).
Ask the Hindus and reporters of Bangladesh and Kashmir how they tried
to reason with the radical muslims. Are websites like
http://www.hrtribune.com/Article/article.html lying about what
happened or is happening in Bangladesh ? Another perfect case is
Kashmir where Kashmiri Pandits are thrown out of thier own lands ,
just 300 years back Kashmir was Hindu majority like Bangladesh. The
fact is that reasoning and logic will work against civilized people ,
not the radical muslims who read the Koran to the letter.
M. Ranjit Mathews
> "Kshatriya" <kshatriy...@yahoo.com> wrote ...
> >
> > To love Pakistan you have to hate India , because Pakistan stands for
> > everything that India is against. Of course what would a
> > psuedo-secularist idiot like you know about the danger posed by these
> > Paki sympathisers?
> > Right now these "Paki" sympathisers would be about 30% of muslims and
> > 6-7% of population, so they cannot pose a threat but what will you do
> > when they become the majority ? This is a danger which MUST be
> > confronted now through education and if necesary , packing away the
> > Paki sympathiser traitors to Pakistan.
>
> When you will start thinking in a different way you will get a better and
> realistic picture. Stop thinking in terms of the magnificent threat that
> never existed and will never exist.
Suppose you were sent in a time machine to the Sonargaon (near Dhaka)
of 200 years back. Suppose you found Hindus apprehensive that if
demographic trends persisted and Muslims gained a majority, they and
their kind would find it impossible to live in Sonargaon and would be
forced to seek shelter in distant lands with a Hindu majority?
Would you tell them, "When you will start thinking in a different way
you will get a better and realistic picture. Stop thinking in terms of
the magnificent threat that never existed and will never exist."? If
not, what would you tell them? If it's possible for you to come up
with enough words, please make your hypothetical spiel to them as long
and detailed as the one I replied to.
kris
you.
Muslims practice taquiyah and hudubiyah. Go read koran and educate yourself.
FYI, Moderate Muslim is an Oxymoron.
"Satya Das" <sr...@adobe.com> wrote in message
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kris
Please use the term "beggerdesh".
Allan Lazrado
> understand your message of "love"?
> The pro-pak muslims are as dumb as those animals who will not understand
> either.
>
> Yes, killing or deporting may not be the practical solutions, but we atleast
> need to keep their population at bay and monitor their activities.
> We need to pass some laws if necessary.
Yes, deporting is not a solution for those rabid fanatics. In fact, I'm
surprised that 57 years after Indian Independence, there still exists a
section of pro-Pak Muslims. Maybe we should encourage them to migrate to
Pakistan and observe the plight of Indian Muslims who migrated during
Partition. They are called 'mohajirs' and are treated like second-class
citizens. The bureaucracy and military is dominated by the Punjabi-Pathan
elite with Musharraf being an exceptional case.
> They are useless elements whose contribution to the nation is negative. They
> will give birth to generations of useless elements who will be taught to
> grow anti-Indian feelings.
Yes, they don't understand the concepts of patriotism and nationalism. So
probably their children too will not feel any love for India.
> Now keep in mind there are useless hindu elements as well as very useful
> muslim elements. But the topic of this discussion is about the anti-indian
> muslims.
There are plenty of rabid fanatics among Hindus as well. This is sad because
Hinduism preaches 'Sarva Dharma Samabhav' - equal respect for all relgions.
Satya Das
"indic" <indic@india,net> wrote in message
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>
they
> understand your message of "love"?
> The pro-pak muslims are as dumb as those animals who will not understand
> either.
I see a big and wrong assumption here.
> Yes, killing or deporting may not be the practical solutions, but we
atleast
> need to keep their population at bay and monitor their activities.
> We need to pass some laws if necessary.
> They are useless elements whose contribution to the nation is negative.
They
> will give birth to generations of useless elements who will be taught to
> grow anti-Indian feelings.
Anyone who has seen the contribution of all elements in present and past
india will never say they are useless elements.
> Now keep in mind there are useless hindu elements as well as very useful
> muslim elements. But the topic of this discussion is about the anti-indian
> muslims.
I see more percentage of useless Hindus than any other religion.
What's the role of VHP in a civilized society?
They only show that Hindus acted cowardly in the past.
And they want to take revenge now when Hindu population alone can be used to
suppress the Muslims.
Always remember that India was once ruled by Muslims.
And if you understand the fact that intelligent and powerful rules the weak
and dumb then you will see the importance of Muslims.
If anyone fails to understand such things then they are allowed to speak
anything because no good can be expected from such people.
I know these facts hurt.
But facts are facts, and facts can not be denied.
Phoenix
What do you do, when your kid(if you have any) starts saying, "Hey Dad
(or mom or whatever), I think the neighbour is much better person than
you ever can be. I love our neighbour. I will eat your food, you bring
me up, your take the trouble to educate me, you feel the pain when I
am hurt but I will praise the neighbour"
What do you do Mr. (Ms. or whatever) Das?
Neil Kashmiri - Hindu Sikh
In fact the Gita is very clear on what faith is ....
BG 18.65: Always think of Me, become My devotee, worship Me and offer your
homage unto Me. Thus you will come to Me without fail. I promise you this
because you are My very dear friend.
BG 18.66: Abandon all varieties of religion and just surrender unto Me. I
shall deliver you from all sinful reactions. Do not fear.
Certainly this is not what God has told us. There are many who are trying to
dilute Sanatan Dharma. In fact ...
Dharma, meaning Eternal Duty, this means we are eternal servants of God and
our nature is to serve God.
sarva, meaning all
sam-abhav, meaning negation of all religions
This is a secular term not one based on Sanatan Dharma and we are getting
brainwashed into thinking it means treat all relgions with equal respect! It
does not ... in fact it contridicts the Gita. Do not lie!
Allan Lazrado <asla...@yahoo.co.in> wrote in message >
Satya Das
"Phoenix" <cheta...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> I have only one question for Mr. Satya Das (or is it Ms.).
> What do you do, when your kid(if you have any)
I am single so I dont have any.
> starts saying, "Hey Dad
> (or mom or whatever),
certainly Dad. :-)
> I think the neighbour is much better person than
> you ever can be. I love our neighbour. I will eat your food, you bring
> me up, your take the trouble to educate me,
I wont feel any trouble
> you feel the pain when I
> am hurt
I wont feel any pain either.
> but I will praise the neighbour"
I will say you praise anything you want, and I will add, please dont praise
me ever
> What do you do Mr. (Ms. or whatever) Das?
nothing.
I apologize if it did not answer your question, and you are free (obviously)
and welcome too, to ask me anything you want me to answer.
Satya Das
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Satya Das
"M. Ranjit Mathews" <ranjit_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> "Satya Das" <sr...@adobe.com> wrote ...
> > "Kshatriya" <kshatriy...@yahoo.com> wrote ...
> > >
> > > To love Pakistan you have to hate India , because Pakistan stands for
> > > everything that India is against. Of course what would a
> > > psuedo-secularist idiot like you know about the danger posed by these
> > > Paki sympathisers?
> > > Right now these "Paki" sympathisers would be about 30% of muslims and
> > > 6-7% of population, so they cannot pose a threat but what will you do
> > > when they become the majority ? This is a danger which MUST be
> > > confronted now through education and if necesary , packing away the
> > > Paki sympathiser traitors to Pakistan.
> >
> > When you will start thinking in a different way you will get a better
and
> > realistic picture. Stop thinking in terms of the magnificent threat that
> > never existed and will never exist.
>
> Suppose you were sent in a time machine to the Sonargaon (near Dhaka)
> of 200 years back. Suppose you found Hindus apprehensive that if
> demographic trends persisted and Muslims gained a majority, they and
> their kind would find it impossible to live in Sonargaon and would be
> forced to seek shelter in distant lands with a Hindu majority?
Why you want to create similar situation in India for the poor muslims who
had nothing to do what happened in Bangladesh a long back?
If you say Islam is bad then why you want to repeat the same ugly story by
Hindus in India?
Dont you think it will only cause harm to Hinduism?
Remember if you want to follow something then that will imply that either
the thing that you are following is right or you are too wrong to be
discussed.
> Would you tell them, "When you will start thinking in a different way
> you will get a better and realistic picture. Stop thinking in terms of
> the magnificent threat that never existed and will never exist."?
No I wont. But do not compare the two things which are actually
incomparable. The world has advanced and I beleive we must learn from the
past, irrespective of knowing who suffered and who caused the devil to act.
Treat everyone equal and dont punish anyone on the basis of his/her
religion.
And certainly, I will add, the situation you want to describe is too far
from the reality as far as our great India is concerned.
>If
> not, what would you tell them?
I will tell to do whatever would be the best at that time and definately I
will ask to put the survivalibility on the top priority.
> If it's possible for you to come up
> with enough words, please make your hypothetical spiel to them as long
> and detailed as the one I replied to.
I can not make my answer intentionally long and detailed. This is beyond my
capability.
M. Ranjit Mathews
> "M. Ranjit Mathews" <ranjit_...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1d4c67e3.04032...@posting.google.com...
> > "Satya Das" <sr...@adobe.com> wrote ...
> > > "Kshatriya" <kshatriy...@yahoo.com> wrote ...
> > > >
> > > > To love Pakistan you have to hate India , because Pakistan stands for
> > > > everything that India is against. Of course what would a
> > > > psuedo-secularist idiot like you know about the danger posed by these
> > > > Paki sympathisers?
> > > > Right now these "Paki" sympathisers would be about 30% of muslims and
> > > > 6-7% of population, so they cannot pose a threat but what will you do
> > > > when they become the majority ? This is a danger which MUST be
> > > > confronted now through education and if necesary , packing away the
> > > > Paki sympathiser traitors to Pakistan.
> > >
> > > When you will start thinking in a different way you will get a better
> and
> > > realistic picture. Stop thinking in terms of the magnificent threat that
> > > never existed and will never exist.
> >
> > Suppose you were sent in a time machine to the Sonargaon (near Dhaka)
> > of 200 years back. Suppose you found Hindus apprehensive that if
> > demographic trends persisted and Muslims gained a majority, they and
> > their kind would find it impossible to live in Sonargaon and would be
> > forced to seek shelter in distant lands with a Hindu majority?
>
> Why you want to create similar situation in India for the poor muslims who
> had nothing to do what happened in Bangladesh a long back?
Where did I say I want to create a similar situation?
> If you say Islam is bad then why you want to repeat the same ugly story by
> Hindus in India?
I didn't say any such thing.
> Dont you think it will only cause harm to Hinduism?
What course, of action, that would not harm Hinduism would you suggest
to (what was then) the Hindu majority of the future Bangladesh?
> Remember if you want to follow something then that will imply that either
> the thing that you are following is right or you are too wrong to be
> discussed.
>
> > Would you tell them, "When you will start thinking in a different way
> > you will get a better and realistic picture. Stop thinking in terms of
> > the magnificent threat that never existed and will never exist."?
> No I wont.
Very good; then what would you tell them?
> But do not compare the two things which are actually
> incomparable. The world has advanced and I beleive we must learn from the
> past, irrespective of knowing who suffered and who caused the devil to act.
> Treat everyone equal and dont punish anyone on the basis of his/her
> religion.
> And certainly, I will add, the situation you want to describe is too far
> from the reality as far as our great India is concerned.
Too far from reality? If you went in a time machine 40 years back to
Jammu and Kashmir or Malappuram*, would you tell non-Muslims "Stop
thinking in terms of the magnificent threat that never existed and
will never exist."?
* a claim by a certain KS Manu:
Manu (ksm...@worldnet.att.net)
Subject: Re: We must bring peace to Kashmir
Newsgroups: soc.culture.indian
Date: 1999/07/08
There are not many non muslims remaining in Malappuram. It used to be
the home of many "aristocratic" hindu families not so long ago (long
after 1947). I think the NSS (Nair Something Something) even had a
college in Malappuram (wonder if they still have it). Gradually, non
muslims (mostly hindus) were kicked out. Initially, hindus started
moving out because of the strength of muslim league which controlled
everything (from police, politics, etc.). Later,
the few remaining were threatened to leave. No political party
(commies or congress) wanted to offend muslims because of the
coalition govts in Kerala. Even after they planned to move out, many
hindu families couldn't sell their property for a fair price because
muslims won't buy it! Finally they had to give it away and leave!
(btw, muslims also won't sell their land to non muslims
even if someone wanted to move there).
> > If not, what would you tell them?
> I will tell to do whatever would be the best at that time and definately I
> will ask to put the survivalibility on the top priority.
Well, 200 years back, what survival strategy would you suggested to
Hindus of the future Bangladesh? That is, a strategy that would ensure
their survival in that area without having to flee to other areas.