What religion is most like emacs?
Steve
I think its Buddhism:
- buddhism believes it is the one true path to the end of suffering,
though other religions have partial aspects of that path. Emacsen
believe emacs is the one true editor, though other editors have some
of its feature set.
- buddhism comes in many forms for many differnt people and cultures.
emacs runs on a lot of platforms
- buddhism emphasizes action and self discovery of truth from its
adherrents. Emacs pushes its users to improve their educations ( all
those modes, commands, lisp) and to customize.
- buddhism was started by a single founder and then augmented by
people who came later. Emacs was invented by a single guy and later
developed by a pool of people.
- buddhist texts refer to terms and concepts from a dead language as
well as a dead culture ( Pali, ancient India ). Emacs is written in
C & Lisp. Refers to things that don't really exist in computing
anymore like the meta key in the docs.
- buddhism, despite the afforementioned is still relevant to modern
life. Emacs supports modern technologies like Java, perl, php using
lisp.
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
> What religion is most similar to the emacs faith?
The worship of Emacs needs no comparison to lesser religions.
Accept Emacs as your path to felicity.
--
(domestic pets only, the antidote for overdose, milk.)
la...@gnus.org * Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
Thien-Thi Nguyen
> What religion is most similar to the emacs faith?
>
> I think its Buddhism: [...]
now the next step is to unthink that
(despite the merit of the listed points).
i know a buddhist monk who doesn't use emacs, happily.
thi
Kai Großjohann
> Accept Emacs as your path to felicity.
Anyone else here who associated felicity with felinity, err,
feline-ness? But maybe that's just because English is not my native
language, and because Lars is cat people.
kai
--
A large number of young women don't trust men with beards. (BFBS Radio)
Oliver Scholz
> What religion is most similar to the emacs faith?
>
> I think its Buddhism:
[...]
Yes, it seems that Emacs has affected Buddhism a lot. But there are
other Emacs-sects that had their influence on other religions,
too. (Most of them are heretic, of course, but -- hey! -- at least
they all believe in the One True Editor.)
-- Oliver
--
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Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité!
Jym Dyer
Originally there was TECO, a powerful but wrathful editor.
EMACS (all caps) fulfilled some of TECO's prophecies. Then
an outsider had a vision, and came up with an Emacs that had
something akin to Lisp (he called it "Emacs" but these days
it's generally known as "Gosmacs").
=v= This new wrinkle won some converts, and a Gnustic sect
then came out with an Emacs with *real* Lisp, but then there
was a Great Schism over the theological question of X-Windows.
=v= I'm still waiting to see the arrival of analogs to Islam
and Mormonism.
<_Jym_>
Steve
> What religion is most similar to the emacs faith?
>
> I think its Buddhism:
<snip>
AND Siddhatta Gautama, the historical "buddha" forbade his students
from making images of him.
I have NEVER seen a picture of RMS
Steve
Islam analouge - editor users who start off legitimatley angry at the
discrimination pushed on them by big corporate tech platforms, but
then take that anger way beyond to a new level. They write malicious
code to disable other developement tools or make those other tools be
more like emacs by force.
Mormonism emacsen - a charismatic, but undereducated emacs user gains
a following, writes a dumbed down version of emacs, claims that it is
a lost upgrade of earlier emacs, sends out evanglists into the office
to do demos of the new emacs. Will not let anyone who isn't a new
emacsen into their development offices or read their docs.
Steve
Ben Pfaff
> I have NEVER seen a picture of RMS
http://www.stallman.org/rms.jpg
http://www.stallman.org/rms-bw.jpeg
Christopher League
| AND Siddhatta Gautama, the historical "buddha" forbade his students
| from making images of him.
| I have NEVER seen a picture of RMS
You're kidding, right? Here is a page full:
http://images.google.com/images?q=richard+stallman
--Chris
Kai Großjohann
> I have NEVER seen a picture of RMS
Thou shalt not lose face in the religion that is Emacs. For RMS is
Saint IGNUtius himself, brother, the savior of our poor souls.
Thou shalt repent. Thou shalt type His name in Google and then thou
shalt worship His image for five minutes at least. Amen!
Martin Thornquist
> Islam analouge - editor users who start off legitimatley angry at the
> discrimination pushed on them by big corporate tech platforms, but
> then take that anger way beyond to a new level. They write malicious
> code to disable other developement tools or make those other tools be
> more like emacs by force.
That isn't funny, unless you hold christianity responsible for the
Unabomber and Timothy McVeigh.
It's true that Islamic Sharia law seems harsh to us in the western
world today, but that's just because Islam lags a few hundred years on
us in that respect. I don't find burning witches and other alleged
heretics very friendly.
Martin
--
"An ideal world is left as an exercise to the reader."
-Paul Graham, On Lisp
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
> Thou shalt repent. Thou shalt type His name in Google and then thou
> shalt worship His image for five minutes at least. Amen!
Heresy!
Even though Emacs' most honored prophet deserves reverence, only the
True One, Emacs Itself, deserves worship.
As penance, kill and yank a line from the Scripture of the Emacs Lisp
Reference Manual 500 times in the *scratch* buffer.
David Kastrup
> steves...@yahoo.com (Steve) writes:
>
> > I have NEVER seen a picture of RMS
>
> Thou shalt not lose face in the religion that is Emacs. For RMS is
> Saint IGNUtius himself, brother, the savior of our poor souls.
When writing Early Modern English, the American spelling "savior"
looks particularly weird.
--
David Kastrup, Kriemhildstr. 15, 44793 Bochum
Email: David....@t-online.de
Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen
> As penance, kill and yank a line from the Scripture of the Emacs Lisp
> Reference Manual 500 times in the *scratch* buffer.
(Note that `C-u 500 C-y' will be sufficient. Emacs is infinitely
merciful, as well as efficient.)
Kai Großjohann
> When writing Early Modern English, the American spelling "savior"
> looks particularly weird.
I just typed "thou savior" into Google. Interesting results :-)
So I wonder what do the Americans say about this?
Steve
> [ steves...@yahoo.com ]
>
>
>>Islam analouge - editor users who start off legitimatley angry at the
>>discrimination pushed on them by big corporate tech platforms, but
>>then take that anger way beyond to a new level. They write malicious
>>code to disable other developement tools or make those other tools be
>>more like emacs by force.
>
>
> That isn't funny, unless you hold christianity responsible for the
> Unabomber and Timothy McVeigh.
I don't.
Its not a fashionable opinion but since 9/11 I have watched the news a
lot and read a lot about Islam. Yes, terrorists are a minority, but
there is a significant amount of Muslim clergy that use their pulpits as
"pulpits" for encouraging anti-americanism. Its there.
No offense and no harm meant.
>
> It's true that Islamic Sharia law seems harsh to us in the western
> world today, but that's just because Islam lags a few hundred years on
> us in that respect.
Exactly, that is way a lot ( not all ) of Muslims are living *now*, as I
wrote above. The future doesn't exist exist yet, unless you have risen
to the level of being able to percieve the uber realm of Savannah.
Ralf Muschall
> =v= I've always thought it more akin to the Abrahamic faiths.
You misspelled "Abrahamsenic".
> =v= This new wrinkle won some converts, and a Gnustic sect
> then came out with an Emacs with *real* Lisp, but then there
I'd really want an emacs with a *real* Lisp - do you know about one?
Ralf
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Oliver Scholz
> Martin Thornquist wrote:
>> [ steves...@yahoo.com ]
>>
>>>Islam analouge - editor users who start off legitimatley angry at the
>>>discrimination pushed on them by big corporate tech platforms, but
>>>then take that anger way beyond to a new level. They write malicious
>>>code to disable other developement tools or make those other tools be
>>>more like emacs by force.
>> That isn't funny, unless you hold christianity responsible for the
>> Unabomber and Timothy McVeigh.
>
> I don't.
>
> Its not a fashionable opinion but since 9/11 I have watched the news a
> lot and read a lot about Islam.
> Yes, terrorists are a minority, but there is a significant amount of
> Muslim clergy that use their pulpits as "pulpits" for encouraging
> anti-americanism. Its there.
Something similar holds true for Christianity in Northern
Ireland. Maybe this is true for some Christians in the middle east,
too (I don't quite remember).
[...]
>> It's true that Islamic Sharia law seems harsh to us in the western
>> world today, but that's just because Islam lags a few hundred years on
>> us in that respect.
This "lags a few hundred years"-thing maybe true for certain
countries. (I do not think this phrase is adequate, but that is not
my point here.) But not for a religion. I really don't think that the
Christians or Buddhists or Hinduists or whatever in certain parts of
the of the world are less violent or "lagging a few more hundred
years" than the Muslims in the same or other parts of the world.
Jym Dyer
=v= Head into your local independent bookstore and take a look
of the cover of _Free_as_in_Freedom_, by Sam Williams:
http://www.booksense.com/product/info.jsp?affiliateId=Meme&isbn=0596002874
> Thou shalt not lose face in the religion that is Emacs. For
> RMS is Saint IGNUtius himself, brother, the savior of our poor
> souls.
=v= Details here (with photo):
http://www.stallman.org/saint.html
<_Jym_>
Steve
> Kai.Gro...@CS.Uni-Dortmund.DE (Kai Großjohann) writes:
> > Thou shalt not lose face in the religion that is Emacs. For RMS is
> > Saint IGNUtius himself, brother, the savior of our poor souls.
>
> When writing Early Modern English, the American spelling "savior"
> looks particularly weird.
Shouldn't the word be spelled in accordance with the language of the savior?
Steve
Dang. He does look like he could be a cult leader :).
I used to have hair that long ( clipped, Washington D.C. is a
conservative town ), but never a beard like that.
David Kastrup
Well, then according to the gospel we get σωτήρ, but that is hardly
going to cut it as English, British, American, Early Modern or
whatever.
David Kastrup
Well, then according to the gospel we get σωτήρ, but that is hardly
going to cut it as English, be it British, American, Early Modern or
whatever.
--
Steve
>
> [...]
> >> It's true that Islamic Sharia law seems harsh to us in the western
> >> world today, but that's just because Islam lags a few hundred years on
> >> us in that respect.
>
> This "lags a few hundred years"-thing maybe true for certain
> countries. (I do not think this phrase is adequate, but that is not
> my point here.) But not for a religion.
The quoted material above is not mine.
Steve
Oliver Scholz
Kai Großjohann
> Well, then according to the gospel we get σωτήρ
So Richard is a Greek?
Oliver Scholz
> David Kastrup <David....@t-online.de> writes:
>
>> Well, then according to the gospel we get σωτήρ
>
> So Richard is a Greek?
[...]
He is the first among the Olympian developers, the mighty son of
Kronos, the savior of men. Like the old Hymn about Emacs, erm, ῏Ημαξ
goes:
῾Ρίχαρδον θεῶν τὸν ἄριστον ἀείσομαι ἠδὲ μέγιστον, εὐρύοπα, κρείοντα,
τελεσφόρον, ὅστε ῎Ημακι ἐγκλιδὸν ἑζομένῷ πυκινοὺς ὀάρους ὀαρίζει.
ἵληθ', εὐρύοπα Κρονίδη, κύδιστε μέγιστε.
"I will sing of Richard, chiefest among the gods and greatest,
all-seeing, the lord of all, the fulfiller who whispers words of
wisdom to Emacs as it sits leaning towards him.
Be gracious, all-seeing Son of Cronos, most excellent and great!"
David Kastrup
And while this has survived even into modern times, only slightly
altered (oral tradition and everything), Judaism has under the same
number (what a `coincidence') had its own rendition. You know the
stuff about "The Lord is my GNUherd, I shall lack nothing. He lets me
feast upon green cut&pastures".
The usual stuff.
Oliver Scholz
> Oliver Scholz <alkib...@gmx.de> writes:
[...]
>> ῾Ρίχαρδον θεῶν τὸν ἄριστον ἀείσομαι ἠδὲ μέγιστον, εὐρύοπα, κρείοντα,
>> τελεσφόρον, ὅστε ῎Ημακι ἐγκλιδὸν ἑζομένῷ πυκινοὺς ὀάρους ὀαρίζει.
>>
>> ἵληθ', εὐρύοπα Κρονίδη, κύδιστε μέγιστε.
>>
>>
>> "I will sing of Richard, chiefest among the gods and greatest,
>> all-seeing, the lord of all, the fulfiller who whispers words of
>> wisdom to Emacs as it sits leaning towards him.
>>
>> Be gracious, all-seeing Son of Cronos, most excellent and great!"
>
> And while this has survived even into modern times, only slightly
> altered (oral tradition and everything) [...]
Unfortunately only this small fragment survived. The author Homer,
best known for his ilias.el and odyssey.el, lost most of his hymns
about the Emacs-developers due to a disk crash -- or because someone
cracked his server, I forgot which one.
-- Oliver
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Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité!
David Kastrup
It was a cracked hard disk, common writing material, WORM-style.
Glyn Millington
>>
>> Unfortunately only this small fragment survived. The author Homer,
>> best known for his ilias.el and odyssey.el, lost most of his hymns
>> about the Emacs-developers due to a disk crash -- or because someone
>> cracked his server, I forgot which one.
>
> It was a cracked hard disk, common writing material, WORM-style.
Something to do with a Trojan?
Glyn
Per Abrahamsen
> =v= I've always thought it more akin to the Abrahamic faiths.
Obviously.
Rob Reid
>> Thou shalt not lose face in the religion that is Emacs. For RMS is
>> Saint IGNUtius himself, brother, the savior of our poor souls.
That is all true... but ...
Jym> =v= Details here (with photo):
Jym> http://www.stallman.org/saint.html
I was most surprised for the beatified web server to send a cookie of the
nonbaked kind.
Per Abrahamsen
> I'd really want an emacs with a *real* Lisp - do you know about one?
Zmacs?
Jym Dyer
=v= Well, when it comes to Lisp, *my* reality is grounded in
MACLISP, so I've got no complaints about Elisp. I'm not all
that fond of Common Lisp, I'm afraid, though I think Scheme
is mighty decent. At some point it'll all be Guile. :^)
<_Jym_>
Martin Thornquist
> I'd really want an emacs with a *real* Lisp - do you know about one?
Hemlock, the native editor of CMUCL. But I see the vast number of
elisp packages as one of the biggest selling points of (X)Emacs, and
you lose that with a real lisp, as transforming elisp to Common Lisp
isn't all that easy from what I hear.
Nix
>
> Anyone else here who associated felicity with felinity, err,
always have, and yes, `felinity' is a word :)
--
`There's something satisfying about killing JWZ over and over again.'
-- 1i, personal communication
Nix
> Dang. He does look like he could be a cult leader :).
Now, now, `prophet'.
The Church of Emacs is not a cult.
;}
Nix
> Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen <la...@gnus.org> writes:
>
>> As penance, kill and yank a line from the Scripture of the Emacs Lisp
>> Reference Manual 500 times in the *scratch* buffer.
>
> (Note that `C-u 500 C-y' will be sufficient. Emacs is infinitely
> merciful, as well as efficient.)
That's not nearly enough, I think. Writing the elisp to do the same
thing *is* acceptable, though.