When ECKANKAR works
Terry Campbell
techniques written by Paul Twitchell might not really work for me.
I was really tuned into what this man said because he spoke a language that I
had not heard spoken before. I was starved to hear other people speak this
language and I was not dissappointed when I went to the ECKANKAR seminars.
Other people spoke this language that I thought might be only inside me.
At my first seminar I sat in the first ten rows near Paul as he spoke. Suddenly
without warning a blue thread of light came right to me and hit me in the area
of my eyes. I knew that Paul Twitchell was my master. I didn't like his
southern accent. Later I read this recognition of the master is called the
Darshan. This term fortunately is used outside of ECKANKAR. Many of the
concepts in ECKANKAR are found all over this earth and in other religions. I
found out that having spiritual experiences was not unusual and that people in
many religions have them. I was grateful that Paul was able to condense a
spiritual language whereby I could talk to others who also had these
experiences. I found plenty of people of all walks of live, in most of the age
groups talking this language at the meetings on ECKANKAR.
I was there when Paul died. I saw his body without the soul being in it. I
announced at the seminar in Cincinnati that Rebazar Tarz would be the ECK Master
until the next master was announced. Boy was I glad to see it in print later
because the only information I had was from Rebazar himself in my contemplation
the night Paul Translated.
I accepted Darwin Gross as the next worldwide the moment it was announced. The
words on my lips were,"I knew It, I knew it." I learned much studying under
Darwin but after Darwin handed the Rod of power over to Harold Klemp I served
the present Living ECK Master, Harold Klemp and not the old master exactly the
same as I had done in accepting Darwin after Paul's Death. I knew there was
something wrong and I wrote a letter to Darwin and it stated I thought that his
words would loose the power of the ECK if he didn't let Harold become the head
of ECKANKAR.
Well Harold claimed his mastership in ECKANKAR and vowed not to let the
membership of ECKANKAR have a chance to become attached to him. I really like
that because when Harold Klemp steps down and a new master accepts
responsibility I expect it will be easy for all students in ECKANKAR to accept
the next master when that time comes.
Yes, I was scared I would be left behind without experiences. You know it took
me four months of studying ECKANKAR before I found out what Soul Travel was and
it took me maybe four years to find out that this path was directly about my
relationship with GOD. Sometimes I am slow about catching a spiritual message
but I have no doubts that they are being sent in my direction.
The techniques set forth in ECKANKAR work for me. I can talk about how they
work. But don't ask me what it's like when they don't work. In that area I am
no expert. I understand when someone does not find ECKANKAR to work for them
and I give them unconditional love.
I appreciate the research people put into ECKANKAR and I study it even when it
is worded against the experiences I know I am having. I feel that we must all
look very closely at everything we accept in our lives and then our choices will
be wise choices.
I am thankful for an opportunity to express my findings.
Love N ECK,
Terry
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David Rife
>>>
I was there when Paul died. I saw his body without the soul being in it. I
announced at the seminar in Cincinnati that Rebazar Tarz would be the ECK Master
until the next master was announced.
<<<
Terry, can you confirm or deny the following since you were there? If this is
true can you tell us what you know about the situation?
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Lane sez:
Concerning the personal stuff on Twitchell, it is a bit lurid.
I was informed on a number of occasions by Ed Pecen and Dr. Louis
Bluth about what happened with Twitchell the nite he died.
He was with another woman (I know her name--she even did a tape,
which Pecen has, describing what happened); apparently Twitchell
died during or after having sex with the alleged woman. Apparently
there was also a number of sexual aids/pornographic materials in the
room also--which Bluth and Pecen cleaned up when they discovered the
body.
It was difficult for Eckankar to explain why another woman, not Gail,
was with Twitchell when he died. The official story is that she wanted to be
with a master when he translated (of course, Eckankar didn't say that she
also wanted to sleep with him before he died).
There was also some reports about Gail's relationship with Darwin before
Twitchell's death, which Pecen went into some detail about.
Paul Twitchell also apparently had a few encounters with Eckists (women)
in his personal interviews/conferences.
Mysti sez:
Yeah well, Paulji and the babes. And Darwin and more babes. Harold has
been considerably more circumspect, probably even genuinely faithful to
Marge, then Joan. But then there is the Ecclesiastical Impulse
accumulating under his aegis... grrrrooooaaaannn... May we have the babes
back, please... ('just kidding).
The bit about Paul and A'a I knew. She is an old friend, one of my first
real influences in ECK. Brilliant, beautiful, extremely charismatic
individual -- and believe me, she paid the piper in the years following
Paul's death.
Yet the only thing that knowing this has done for me vis.a.vis ECK has
been that I produce AUDIBLE, unmistakeable bronxcheering whenever anyone
becomes too sanctimonious about what constitutes 'genuine' spiritual
behavior. Because none of this 'compromises' the work that PT did with the
Sound Current teachings. I know that it is very hard to break the habit
of mind that says 'master' means 'perfect.'
Gunnar sez:
It was Anya Foos-Graber. Today she's a student of Satya Sai Baba I think,
she's into "deathing", going through the death experience as a therapuetic
thing.
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What!? You mean this isn't alt.religion.enquirer?
Mysti Easterwood
com (David Rife) writes:
>
>Terry, can you confirm or deny the following since you were there? If this is
>true can you tell us what you know about the situation?
>
[Large amounts of David Lane swill deleted... But then dave rife ALLEGES
that...]
>
>Mysti sez:
>>
>The bit about Paul and A'a I knew. She is an old friend, one of my first
>real influences in ECK. Brilliant, beautiful, extremely charismatic
>individual -- and believe me, she paid the piper in the years following
>Paul's death.
>
Thanks for giving me a chance to clear this up, Dave.
The "bit" I was referring to was (admittedly ONLY my opinion) that Paul
and Anya were in love with one another. I never thought, said or implied
agreement with --much less corroborated-- the Lane/Pecen/Reitel/Rife
hallucination around Paulji's death.
Funny how this part of my letter has gotten attached to Rife and Gunnar
and Lane's VERY different context. Such is the nature of authorship,
though. Once you've put the words out there, people can do almost
anything with them. That is, until slander laws begin to penetrate
cyberspace.
As an aside... at the Atlanta seminar I sorta nailed Mike Boaz for saying
that a.r.e. was a 'negative' place for discussing Eckankar: "Not
negative, Mike, CREATIVE." Dave Rife's "creativity" is kind of
breathtaking sometimes, no?
Dave, do you ever wonder what REAL power might feel like?
Kisskiss,
Myst
David Rife
>>>
Funny how this part of my letter has gotten attached to Rife and Gunnar
and Lane's VERY different context. Such is the nature of authorship,
though. Once you've put the words out there, people can do almost
anything with them. That is, until slander laws begin to penetrate
cyberspace.
<<<
So, sue me. (sue me, sue me, sue me, sue me, sue me, sue) (ever heard that old
Steppenwolf song?)
>>>
As an aside... at the Atlanta seminar I sorta nailed Mike Boaz for saying
that a.r.e. was a 'negative' place for discussing Eckankar: "Not
negative, Mike, CREATIVE." Dave Rife's "creativity" is kind of
breathtaking sometimes, no?
<<<
I amaze myself sometimes too. (What is the I that is amazed?)
>>>
Dave, do you ever wonder what REAL power might feel like?
<<<
If I ever do, I will Kisskiss a 220 socket. (220, 221, whatever it takes.)
But what I am really wondering is:
****What is the recipe for making truly excellent Del Mar Lentil Loaf?****
To be honest, I don't care if Paul T was found dead in bed with Mr. Green Jeans.
What is important is to point out the fairy tales that Eckankar Inc has fed us
with over the years.
Suki Suki,
Dave
Gunnar
In article <00006...@eck-online.cupertino.ca.us> Terry_C...@eck-online.cupertino.ca.us (Terry Campbell) writes:
The techniques set forth in ECKANKAR work for me. I can talk about how they
work. But don't ask me what it's like when they don't work. In that area
I am
no expert. I understand when someone does not find ECKANKAR to work for
them
and I give them unconditional love.
I appreciate the research people put into ECKANKAR and I study it even
when it
is worded against the experiences I know I am having. I feel that we must
all
look very closely at everything we accept in our lives and then our choices
will
be wise choices.
*
Thanks. Just be aware that besides
1) those who have the experiences and stay in eck
and
2) those who did not have them and left
are those who
3) did have them AND left
..and they're not all stupid or vain. If you study the structure of
inner experiences and meetings with inner beings you may find out a
lot of things which are not so comfortable. Like a high percentage is
self-projected, and most of the inner beings are unreliable although
they certainly impress an earthling easily.
Recently I got an email by one who reported an awareness that I was
with that person the other day. Certainly doesn't make me a master
although surely other people exploit such situations and - lifting
their right hand - say "I am always with you".
guna
Kent Livingston
my server still ain't sending posts out to the NewsGroup."
"Sure." kent sez >>
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Subject: Re: When ECKANKAR works
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(Mike Boaz) writes:
>Whatever you heard me say, whatever I actually said, I never intended to
>convey that I think a.r.e. is a 'negative' place for discussing Eckankar."
>There's a *BIG* difference between those words and how I feel about a.r.e.
Okay, your intention is clear. And I'm glad to hear it, Mike. I do
realize that you were working like a fieldhand all that day, and that
somethings might have slipped into the hot part of my hearing just because
I was ready to have them there.
It was nothing personal, just the final straw for my experience of that
meeting. There is a part of me that begins to tremble somewhere near the
hysterical zone when I hear the old platitudes about 'privacy' and
'protecting the Eck teachings' and 'individuality' and 'soul' being
projected onto cyberexperience (which is another ORDER of reality, another
plane, if you will, whose actual dimensions and workings are being
thrashed out, mapped, sung out Right Now). The language is inadequate,
not because language is *inherently* inadequate (as the old
Platonist/Augustinians among us would assert) but because people aren't
really noticing what happens to them in c'space, the level of freedom, the
sort of prosthetic for multiple-selves (bodies) that this environment can
provide. Made me CRAZY, crazzzy, ***Crazy*** that this wasn't being
addressed, that its potential was entirely ignored.
But you have to admit, Mike the strike was clean. I didn't rag on you, I
just said: "Not negative, Mike, CREATIVE" -- then went off to dervish a
moment out in the hallway. Kent says: Mysti, you're not running an
organization, you don't know what it's like. To which I reply: Not my
job. THIS is my job.
A few minutes after my paroxysm, Nick came out and peered down at me (I
had collapsed on the floor), saying (roughly), "So, Freaking One, what are
you going to do about it? What are your *concrete* suggestions for what
we can do, how we do it in C'space? Do we have money where there is
mouth?" "I'll get to that Nick, but for now, THIS is what I do. The burn
itself is part of how we get there. I don't see anybody else queued up to
take on this part."
>
>I'll let you be in my scotoma if I can be in yours...<g>
Thank you, Mike. You have a very nice scotoma, and it was very
useful to be t/here. What did Blake say? "Opposition is truest
friendship..." We had to occupy different positions, but I DO trust
that you were holding yours with the greatest possible integrity.
Seeing Here Now,
daf'myst
BaniKalam
wernertrp
... next religion please.
... no more religion please.
Henosis Sage
> Just because someone is a master does not mean he/she is not human. I find this repugnant to talk about PT when he is not here to defend himself Would any of you do it if he were alive today ? I think not becauze you would be slapped with a libel and defemation lawsuit so fadt it would make your egotistical head spin. Pigs.
Well I hope this doens't make your egotistical head spin .... but I find this repugnant to talk about PEOPLE WHO POSTED TO a.r.e. 23 YEARS AGO when they are not here to defend them self ---
RE: "Would any of you do it if THEY were alive today ?"
Because some of them on this thread, and across a.r.e. ain't alive today!!!
Who's da PIGS again?
VAIRAGYA is a Practice, not a Destination.
*twinkle*