Truth in Marketing Does Matter
lalaleel...@yahoo.com
>I find that the proclaimed "Truths" and "obvious conclusions"
>are opportunities to remind you and/or others that there are
>many bridges (as many as there are individuals) to the other
>side (read "changes in consciousness"... or read
>Rumi, Kabir, etc.). These bridges are made up of
>experiences/realizations that are personal relationships with
>Spirit and cannot be simplified as Eckankar, Sant Mant,
>Kriya Yoga, Christianity, etc.. If a teaching offers
>tools (techniques, Masters, Cosmological maps) that can be
>used by individuals to help them construct a unique bridge
>back to the Source - in conjunction with their
>experiences/realizations - who are any of us to
>say: No! That is not possible given that Paul, Gail, Darwin,
>Steve R., David L., Sam, etc. said/did/wrote this or that!
I can't think of too many things that are made public
without being challenged. Yes, it would be simpler if
everyone would just shut up and buy somebody else's
lessons. (Will that be cash or charge?)
But some of us pay attention to the methods used to deliver
marketed versions of the Truth. Asking us to stop is pretty
useless, and even some of the most devout Eckists understand
why some of us do this. I am not your enemy, sir. Why look
upon challenges to your organization's use of your time,
energy and money with fearful anger? Don't you believe it's
exactly these kinds of challenges that bring *any* institution
to honesty? Do you think your belief system will come crashing
down? Why should it? It can be the strength which motivates
you into a proactive investment in Eckankar, rather than a
weakening drain on your reactive defenses.
A construction worker
Galuuk
<<< A construction worker >>>
It's about time, Vatti, that you stop leaning on your shovel. Watching others
do the work and at the same time criticizing their every act will get you no
where.
Joey
At the end of information there is knowledge.....
At the end of knowledge there is Wisdom.....
At the end of Wisdom there is Love.....
cher
detractor. Ranks right up there with a broom, a bucket of hot water and
a good brush! It'll take at least those tools to clean up what they
spread in a day on this group. <wink>
Michael
Sugmad" <G>
Love
Michael
"cher" <gruen...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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cher
cher..........
Michael
we get are weeds!
They are a sad and uninspiring batch of detractors at the moment ... The
thing is, I don't think they realise how lacking in zest and energy they
have become.
You heard of the Bad Old Days of a.r.e.?? These are the Sad Old Days <G>
Love
Michael
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lalaleel...@yahoo.com
What a sad, sad bunch. I repost a message that is full of ideas and
insights from both sides of the fence and all we get is a tired old
litany of Cher's, Joey's, and Michael's inane and off topic responses.
Note that three of them cannot make one intelligent, on-topic comment
amongst them. If I was a conspiracy theorist I would think they've
been sent to a.r.e. to bore it to death. Doug, you have my sympathizes
to b
Vatti
Ken
<lalaleel...@yahoo.com> wrote ...
>
Joey wrote:
> > It's about time, Vatti, that you stop leaning on your shovel.
> > Watching others do the work and at the same time criticizing
> > their every act will get you no where.
> >
> What a sad, sad bunch. I repost a message that is full of ideas and
> insights from both sides of the fence and all we get is a tired old
> litany of Cher's, Joey's, and Michael's inane and off topic responses.
> Note that three of them cannot make one intelligent, on-topic comment
> amongst them. If I was a conspiracy theorist I would think they've
> been sent to a.r.e. to bore it to death. Doug, you have my sympathizes
> to b
>
> Vatti
Joey was pretty much spot on IMO.
Write something original Lala. Reposting old messages out of context
simply for the slant they hold isn't hardly worth paying them much attention.
I didn't see any insight or inspiration in that little excerpt you shared. But
maybe that's my own shortcoming, eh? Why don't you tell us what you
found so interesting in it, in your own words?
Ken
cher
words.... just years old dug out of the archives! ;->
Ken wrote:
>
> <lalaleel...@yahoo.com> wrote ...
> >
<snip>
Galuuk
<<< I repost a message that is full of ideas and
insights from both sides of the fence >>>
Is this self-flagalating or what???
Vatti, your "full of ideas and insights" would be more accurately described as
full of "my opinions".
Your concept of "both sides of the fence" breaks with reality by any stretch of
the imagination. You don't even acknowlede that the other side of the fence
has a legitimate right to exist.
So Vatti, your "opinion" of yourself is at least one brick shy of a load.
lalaleel...@yahoo.com
> REPOST
I think the whole jist of the thread was one side says, in marketing,
"the ends (new members) justifies the means (plethora of hype)" and
the other side says, "we're tired of all the hype, ESPECIALLY when it
comes to other-worldy matters"
Does 21st century marketing have a place in spiritual matters? Is
Spirit a program of attraction or promotion?
This is just a survey. Call 1-888-GODISONMYSIDE to answer a few simple
questions and become eligible for an all-expenses paid vacation to
Retz. No salesman will call on you.
Vatti
cher
nothing remotely resembling these anywhere near what you post.
Someone... please explain to this "being" the difference between
rhetoric and insight! But only volunteer if you have months with nothing
else to do! I fear this guy is a lost cause when it comes to learning
new things! <grin>
Ken
<lalaleel...@yahoo.com> wrote ...
>
> I think the whole jist of the thread was one side says, in marketing,
> "the ends (new members) justifies the means (plethora of hype)"
Who's the one saying this Lala, you? It sure isn't me and I didn't see
that perspective expressed in Joey's, Cher's or Michael's words. It
seems to me that you are just promoting your own viewpoint and
attempting to overlay it on the words of others.
No one has said much of anything at all in this thread to date <g>.
> and
> the other side says, "we're tired of all the hype, ESPECIALLY when it
> comes to other-worldy matters"
Hey, I'm tired of hype too. Prove it, I say. Until claims are proven, I don't
take them as true.
>
> Does 21st century marketing have a place in spiritual matters? Is
> Spirit a program of attraction or promotion?
I'd bet that you are starting out with the assumption that "marketing" and
"promotion" are just other words for lying.
Ken
Troll
SUGMAD, then I would wager three days pay that any One of us would
gladly want a shovel as well. I would assume that Carrying a shovel
and cleaning the stalls of Heaven would be a joyful chore indeed!
Remember Ron Chrislock's song "Ode to a Warrior"? If you recall the
song goes something like...Nine Hundred and Seventy Warriors of the
Light welcomed him home. In one part of the song Ron wrote something
like just to be Rebezar's or Paul's stable boy would be a blessed job
for him. I can not listen to the song so I am unable to do it any real
justice. I have the old album, but no player. He also wrote "Ginseng
and Goldenseal Blues".
I would think that cleaning one of SUGMAD's stalls would be a dream
come true for some.
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eckmocker
lalaleel...@yahoo.com wrote:
>
> What a sad, sad bunch. I repost a message that is full of ideas and
> insights from both sides of the fence and all we get is a tired old
> litany of Cher's, Joey's, and Michael's inane and off topic responses.
> Note that three of them cannot make one intelligent, on-topic comment
> amongst them. If I was a conspiracy theorist I would think they've
> been sent to a.r.e. to bore it to death. Doug, you have my sympathizes
> to b
>
> Vatti
Just in case you are wondering, many people see this, so you are not alone. The Eck Loonies in A.R.E. are the
worst advertising Eckankar has ever had.
ECKmockER