Secret Holey Eckankar Discourses!! (Joke of the Day)
Sharo...@playful.com
This discourse has been reviewed, updated, and published under the
supervision of the Living ECK Master, Sri Harold Klemp. It is the Word of
ECK.
This discourse is your private and confidential study of the ECK teachings.
To reveal its contents to anyone outside your immediate household or ECK
study class will halt any spiritual growth you may have.)
<giggle> What bullshit! This is just typical garbage used to brainwash
the cult member. No doubt if the public had a chance to see this crap
before they joined, they'd see it for what it is.
THE PRECEPTS OF ECKANKAR
#11 - The Adepts of the Ancient Order of Vairagi
(Okay, explanation that "An Adept of the Ancient Order of the Vairagi is an
ECK Master" ... "reached the heights of spiritual attainment" ... "have
become Co-workers with the SUGMAD"... definite of vairag, sanskrit word,
"freedom from the physical and psychic desires of anything within these
worlds. Parenthetical note, "Yet, ECKANKAR is anything but a path of
asceticism."
(No doubt Twitch threw this non-asceticism stuff in for the many early
members who knew about his womanizing, which he was doing up until the
moment of his death.)
Okay...blah blah...."ECK Adept...proficient as Soul Traveler...gone through
all the ECK initiations...perfected himself as a Master on this direct path
to God. His attention is on nothing but love for God (except for those
damn pesky masterly power flows <gg>)
Masters of the Worlds (in bold print)
The ECK Adepts are the Masters of the worlds. (the following is in bold
print) They have control over every universe and plane and act as the
transformers of the ECK power, which we often call Divine Spirit. (unbold)
All human and spiritual history, whether it is recorded on the major
planets of this universe or in the subhuman arena of this physical life, is
proof of the existence of the ECK Avatars. (what incredible bullshit!!!!)
The ECK chela must know these supernatural ones, for his own survival
depends upon them ...
One of the outstanding examples of the influence of an ECK Master is that
of Benjamin Franklin, who was approached during his childhood by Rebazar
Tarzs and given instruction in the spiritual works.
(Oh, puh-leeeze!!!)
Franklin's own contribution to humanity is a living monument. We have
thousands upon thousands of such examples in the annals of our world
affairs since the beginning of time on earth.
(What incredible bullshit!!! Yes...there are thousands of examples, but
NONE of "eckmasters" inspiring ANYONE, except in Twitchler's cultbooks.
Oh...I'd say this "Ben Franklin" stuff is original, not plagiarized! <gg>)
Few institutions left by the founders of the orthodox religions have
contributed anything toward keeping the great truths of their teachings
alive.
(Excuse me? Now, Twitch claimed to have read tens of thousands of books.
Wasn't he ever in the "religion" section at the library? This is an
outright and blatant lie!!!)
Therefore it's practical that ECK is reestablishing truth in the world.
(bold) IT IS THE ONLY DIRECT PATH TO GOD, AND WHEN WE DISCOVER IT AND HAVE
A STRONG FAITH IN IT, THERE IS NO TURNING BACK. (unbold)
(More bullshit. I've been studying more of the Catholic saints lately.
Twitch copied the basic spiritual principles from them, too.)
We will cotinue until heaven is reached, although the realization will come
to us, after following the path of ECK for a short time...
(This is just FILLED with so much total crap!! I don't feel like
typing...I'm skipping through to bullshit towards the end.)
The ECK Masters do not perform their missions under the orders of the lords
and governors of the hierarchy, but directly with God. These Adepts of the
Ancient Order of the Vairagi are the messengers of God, ITS special envoys
on earth and within the many planes and worlds. Each has a special duty,
much different from those of the grand hierarchy. These Adepts have a
special duty while on earth, much different from those of the grand
hierarchy.
(There's a lot of emphasis about the "hierarchy" because basically, as we
shall see, the Twitchster has grouped anything "non-ECKANKAR" as...BAD.
NEGATIVE.)
(bold) The Living ECK Master is a Co-worker with God assigned this unique
missio because there is no other way that Souls entrapped in the prison of
Maya, the bondage of Kal, can escape. (unbold)
All Souls would be doomed to the Wheel of the Eighty-Four, and its vicious
circle of death and incarnations of pain and darkness for ages, if the
Living ECK Master were not assigned the task of releasing them. It is
because God loves man that IT send ITS son into the world to release Sols
and give them spiritual freedom on the Soul Plane.
Creative Powers
One of the popular delusions about God and the creative powers is that IT
is the only being endowed with supernatural creativity. This is not true;
for when we acquaint ourselves with the teachings of the ECK, we learn that
(bold) many of the grand hierarchy have such powers (unbold) to some
extent. The Kal Niranjan, the name of the negative force in the lower
worlds, is the creator of the spirito-material regions. Because of this,
he is often worshiped (sic) by sincere religionists as the true God.
(read that again. This message is repeated elsewhere in the "teachings"
... the only "True" God is, the cult's "SUGMAD")
When they find him, their seeking for the Godhead halts; for he creates the
illusion that he is at the top of the grand hierarchy, when in truth he is
only another lord and ruler in the long list of those serving God.
The Kal is at the negative pole of creation, but his powers are great when
compared with ours; and we find that he works by creating and dissolving.
Thus he accounts for the living and dying of all things within this world.
<snipped a few repetitive/reinforcing lines about the "Kal's" negativity">
The great point to make is that the Living ECK Master does have creative
powers and, if so ordered by the SUGMAD, could create a world or wipe one
out.
(Geez...sorry here, but...evidently the SUGMAD felt it best that Klemp &
his HIs couldn't do much about those pesky witches & warlocks at the
European hotel, and the SUGMAD is evidently ignoring the problem of bad
psychic vibes & the threat of invaders from Latin America & just advised
Klemp to flee to MN? BWAHAHA!)
He also has the power of life and death in his hands, of creation and
dissolution.
(Well...in Klemp's case, see...this is why I felt that silly excuse he gave
about his divorce was, well...it just didn't "feel" right. I mean...Klemp
couldn't "balance" #1's vibes? At least for the sake of his daughter!)
He is greater in every respect than the Kal, who actually created the lower
worlds; but (bold) the Master's powers seldom, if ever, are put to use
because his duty is in the direction of taking Souls back to God again.
This is his mission, and he has no part in creating or governing worlds.
<unbold>
The ruler of the negative power is called the Kal Niranjan. His dwelling
place is at the top of the three worlds, which is often called the Brahm
Lok. this is know as...okay...bunch of blah blah...subdivisions ruled by
agents & subordinates under the Kal...most religions believe this is the
whole of creation...this is as far as they have gone, and they think of the
Kal Niranjan as the supreme God over all creation.
But to the followers of ECK he is the negative power so named because he is
at the negative pole of creation.
In conclusion I wish to point out that the fammous trinity of the Hindu
religion---Brahma, Vishnu, and Shiva---is subordinate to the Kal Niranjan.
These forces of power branch off from the Kal power, and their mother is
the Shakti. A closer looks shows us that this is the same as the Christian
Trinity, in which we find the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost; three powers
which are dominated by the Virgin Mother. Comparatively, they are alike.
(Hmmmm...what a funny thing to say, that the trinity is "dominated" by the
Virgin Mother?)
Furthermore, the Kal is the Jehovah of the Jewish faith, the Father of the
Christian teachings, and the Allah of the Muhammadans. He is the Brahm of
the Vedantists and the supreme God of practically all religions.
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Oh...and some crap from Precepts #10, just for fun:
"Only when one enters into the ECK does the SUGMAD become the great reality
for him. IT becoes dominant in one's life, and all lower attractions
cease. Here we find that which we call the eternal, or immortality,
beginning in our lives. This is the ECK Marg, the path of emancipation.
Therefore, we find that nothing in this universe can ever free Soul except
the Mahanta, the Living Eck Master and the ECK, which is the Life Current
of God.
(for more of this sick shit about the LEM, see:
http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/godman.html )
Initiation can only be from the perfect Living ECK Master, in person, or
through his authorized representatives. (bold) The boon of any initiation
is only possible through the grace of the Living ECK Master. (unbold)
(this is all disgusting, and I don't feel like typing)
"Many are enmeshed in the illusions of mind and matter and cannot escape,
or make any linkup with the ECK. It is only through the Living ECK Master
that we will make this joining up with the worlds of God and start working
of our karma in this lifetime. It is the ECK personified, or the Word,
that gives the initiation, and at tat time the Living ECK Master takes his
position at the Third Eye of the initiate and takes care of him
thereafter."
"The seeds of ECK have been planted and will grow (why do I think of cancer
or the AIDS virus?) regardless of any condition or assault by the Kal
(negative) powers, for the ECK cannot be obliterated under any
circumstances.
(Note: This cult is trying to suck in new victims by bleating that their
"ECK" is simply the "Holy Spirit" of the rest of the world? Excuse
me...but that's an absolute lie. These "secret discourses" aren't the only
place where it's made quite clear what the cult *really* teaches about
other religions & even "Holy Spirit" being under the "Kal")
Erasing Karma
(here we get more of the cult's "exclusive" bullshit"
The eradication of the initiate's karmic load during this lifetime is
something that no other path can promise.
(probably because no other path lies as much! <gg>)
Hey!! This is neat!!! Twitch is bashing MOTHERS here! <gg> What's this
thing about women? Up above, he's bitching about how the Virgin Mother
dominates Christianity's Trinity...)
(bullshit story where Twitch is at Delphi getting "eckrevelations")
"But then suddenly I was pulled up abruptly by a small childhood tune that
went dancing through my mind. It was a little nursery song that my
stepsister used to sing when I was practically still in the cradle. I
realized that this was God's way of revealing that no matter how we
supposedly progressed in a single lifetime, is we are all the products of
what is learned at our mother's knee.
"All our character for this lifetime is formed during this particular
period of life. Therefore, we are the products of this training in every
past life spent during our earthly existence. No psychologist, no
psyciatrist, nor any spiritual path, be it a church, religion, philosophy,
or occult group, can obliterate this pasrt of our basic character, which is
more or less the karmic load we are carrying.
(bold) ECK is the only path in existence that we know which can erase the
karmic burden of the past lives, (unbold) the basic characteristics learned
at the mother's knee in those incarnations. It can do this because ECK
gives Its own initiates the opportunity to get out of their physical states
of consciousness and travel in the other worlds. This gets them above the
aberrations; and once in contact with the heavenly music, the Sound
Current, the ECK, then all problems and troubles, whether they are results
of past lives or the present one, will begin to dissolve. Tis is the only
way that one can become clear of his aberrations, and the only way that he
can enter into the spiritual kingdoms. He is no longer earthbound. All his
weaknesses and shortcomings are overcome by the regular practice of the
spiritual exercises given during and after the initiation. He develops
physically, morally, intellectually, and spiritually as well.
(Just wondering...anyone familiar with $cientology? Is this sort of the
same thing, except $cientology blames alien implants, and Twitchler is
blaming mothers! <ggg>) (And I wonder, did Twitch's mother teach him to
lie, plagiarize, and screw around? I think he learned philandering from
his father, didn't he? Or so the cult claims! )
"It is common knowledge that the ECK initiate will be finished with birth
and death in this lifetime, but again this depends upon the circumstances
of spiritual things and the degree to which the chela devotes his time to
the Spiritual Exercises of ECK."
(Needless to say, the cult member who thinls they *will* have to
reincarnate is extremely rare, if not totally nonexistent.)
Geez, I'm going into "retirement" again. And work on the website.
Sharon
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gruendemann
Sharo...@playful.com wrote:
>
> (Inside front cover:
Dealing with trolls
When dealing with suspected trolls, there are various strategies that
you can employ. First of all, remember that just because you suspect
that someone is a troll, it doesn't mean that they are a troll; also,
just because you suspect someone is genuine, it doesn't mean that they
are genuine. In view of this, the best tactics are:
• ignore postings that you suspect may be from trolls.
• don't invest any of your self emotionally until you have verified
beyond all doubt that the person you are dealing with is genuine
• beware of off list emails that praise and flatter, or seem to evoke
sympathy. If you feel yourself beginning to like someone, ask first: how
much verifiable data do I have about them?
• if you do get involved in anyone, seek out verifiable data. Trolls
will provide some data that will lead to dead ends; real people will
provide some data that is open-ended and leads to a myriad of sources
which enable you to verify their genuine status
• if you must respond to a troll posting, don't get involved in the
argument; limit it to pointing out that the posting may be considered as
trollish, for the benefit of other list members.
• Write to the listmaster to highlight what is happening
• Write to the postmaster of the troll's domain. Keep it simple, polite
and to the point (they are very busy!). Include your evidence (e.g.:
offensive emails) and the full email header information, so that the
troll can be properly traced.
• Listmasters can also make their lists restricted, and conduct a
security analysis of each list application before allowing them to
subscribe. This is probably easier to do in areas that have professional
associations or qualifications.
http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/troll.htm
Dealing with trolls
When dealing with suspected trolls, there are various strategies that
you can employ. First of all, remember that just because you suspect
that someone is a troll, it doesn't mean that they are a troll; also,
just because you suspect someone is genuine, it doesn't mean that they
are genuine. In view of this, the best tactics are:
• ignore postings that you suspect may be from trolls.
• don't invest any of your self emotionally until you have verified
beyond all doubt that the person you are dealing with is genuine
• beware of off list emails that praise and flatter, or seem to evoke
sympathy. If you feel yourself beginning to like someone, ask first: how
much verifiable data do I have about them?
• if you do get involved in anyone, seek out verifiable data. Trolls
will provide some data that will lead to dead ends; real people will
provide some data that is open-ended and leads to a myriad of sources
which enable you to verify their genuine status
• if you must respond to a troll posting, don't get involved in the
argument; limit it to pointing out that the posting may be considered as
trollish, for the benefit of other list members.
• Write to the listmaster to highlight what is happening
• Write to the postmaster of the troll's domain. Keep it simple, polite
and to the point (they are very busy!). Include your evidence (e.g.:
offensive emails) and the full email header information, so that the
troll can be properly traced.
• Listmasters can also make their lists restricted, and conduct a
security analysis of each list application before allowing them to
subscribe. This is probably easier to do in areas that have professional
associations or qualifications.
http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/troll.htm
Unfortunately, there is only ONE sure way to beat a troll, and that is
to IGNORE them.
A troll "feeds" off of the chaos he wreaks in a NG. If he can get even a
single person to respond to him, he will be happy. Once he gets the
first "victim", it is only a matter of time until he suckers someone
else into the arguement. He will turn the NG on its ear and make it so
that the ONLY topic of real discussion is HIM and what HE is posting,
instead of the proper topic for that NG.
Posters that respond to trolls, or constantly post threads asking OTHERS
to ignore the trolls wind up doing the dirty work FOR the troll, even
though their intentions are exactly the opposite. By posting to these
threads, you only keep the off-topic threads going, and the troll's name
at the top of the NG, which is EXACTLY what he wants!
Bottom line, to kill a troll, IGNORE him!! A troll that can't incite you
has no power and WILL eventually move on. For those that have a hard
time NOT responding to trolls, your best defense is to NEVER click on a
post with the trolls name on it. Once you have identified someone as a
troll, bypass their posts from then on and don't even read them,
REGARDLESS of what you see in the subject heading!
If you want your NG to stay on-topic, you have to make an effort to KEEP
it that way. And sometimes, the best way to do that is to do NOTHING AT
ALL.
http://members.tripod.com/~thewebtvguru/trolls/index.html#3
That is the difference between them and us. They have turned abusive.
Yes, that does make a difference. I've encountered some recovering
abusers on the net, and I learned a few things from that experience. The
one thing that sustains an abuser is denial; an abuser cannot allow
hirself to be open to the slightest possibility that sie is harming
another human being. They blame anyone and anything else in sight, but
virtually all of that blame is directed at the victim, in one way or
another. Abusers REFUSE to take responsibility
for their behavior.
In dealing with an abuser, particularly from a treatment perspective,
the first and most important step is to break that denial. It is not
only breaking the denial about hurting other people. It is essential to
break the denial that they are not responsible for their behavior. They
must learn that they have to take responsibility for everything that
they do, and it is a hard lesson to teach.
Until an abuser's denial is broken, it is dangerous to give them any
sympathy. Sympathy gives them a way out, a way to avoid taking
responsibility. Someone else made them the way they are; they're not
responsible. This is utter garbage, and to give them this opening is
truly a disservice.
So.
They are here to feed on our pain. We don't have to give them that
satisfaction.
They stay only as long as we feed them well. If we want them to go, all
we have to do is to stop feeding them.
The solution for trolls is in two parts. First, recognize and understand
that they are here to hurt us. The way that they hurt us is to beat on
us with their own rage. Recognize that everything they say about us is a
reflection of their own self-hate. Even when they hit our triggers, it
is their rage, their self-hatred that they are giving us. We don't have
to let ourselves be hurt by the fact that they hate themselves. We don't
have to accept that. We can let them drown in their self-hate, simply by
ignoring them.
And that is the second part. If you want a troll to go away, ignore hir.
When no one responds to them, they are left with their own venom. That
is the last thing that a troll wants to have to deal with.
Let us build an ASD zoo. Let us build cages, and put the appropriate
names on those cages. Then let us put a sign in front of those cages:
DO NOT FEED THE ANIMALS.
Then, most importantly, let us not feed the animals. Killfile or ignore
them, but do not respond to them, and do not accept their pain as your
own.
In a more practical manner, John Timothy brings it all down to five
simple rules:
(1) Don't read posts from or about abusers;
(2) Don't read email from or about abusers;
(3) If you can't resist reading, don't respond;
(4) If you can't resist responding, do so by email--not by posting here;
(5) If you are compelled to post a response, if you just can't stop
yourself, at least do the rest of us the favor of adding the abuser's
name to the subject line, so we can avoid reading that post. Thanks.
http://www.firelily.com/support/depression/trolls.html
cosmic...@my-deja.com
CM.
>
>(Geez...sorry here, but...evidently the SUGMAD felt it best that Klemp
&
> his HIs couldn't do much about those pesky witches & warlocks at the
> European hotel, and the SUGMAD is evidently ignoring the problem of
bad
> psychic vibes & the threat of invaders from Latin America & just
advised
> Klemp to flee to MN? BWAHAHA!)
>
> He also has the power of life and death in his hands, of creation and
> dissolution.
>
> (Well...in Klemp's case, see...this is why I felt that silly excuse
he gave
> about his divorce was, well...it just didn't "feel" right. I
mean...Klemp
> couldn't "balance" #1's vibes? At least for the sake of his
daughter!)
>
Signhji***CM
>
> (Note: This cult is trying to suck in new victims by bleating that
their
> "ECK" is simply the "Holy Spirit" of the rest of the world? Excuse
> me...but that's an absolute lie. These "secret discourses" aren't
the only
> place where it's made quite clear what the cult *really* teaches about
> other religions & even "Holy Spirit" being under the "Kal")
>
christian religions is not the Eck of Itself, but psychic currents
fooling the faithful, the old Kal at work along with his astral
minions.***CM
>
> Erasing Karma
>
> (here we get more of the cult's "exclusive" bullshit"
>
> The eradication of the initiate's karmic load during this lifetime is
> something that no other path can promise.
>
> (probably because no other path lies as much! <gg>)
>
> Hey!! This is neat!!! Twitch is bashing MOTHERS here! <gg> What's
this
> thing about women? Up above, he's bitching about how the Virgin
Mother
> dominates Christianity's Trinity...)
>
> (bullshit story where Twitch is at Delphi getting "eckrevelations")
>
women, hate women. Maybe this is why males can only be a LEM. And just
think, Eck women put up with this shit!!!***CM
>
> "But then suddenly I was pulled up abruptly by a small childhood tune
that
> went dancing through my mind. It was a little nursery song that my
> stepsister used to sing when I was practically still in the cradle. I
> realized that this was God's way of revealing that no matter how we
> supposedly progressed in a single lifetime, is we are all the
products of
101***CM)
Singhji knew what he was talking about, just simply drop the Eck words
and you can better understand Sawnji's discourse***CM
>
> (Just wondering...anyone familiar with $cientology? Is this sort of
the
> same thing, except $cientology blames alien implants, and Twitchler is
> blaming mothers! <ggg>) (And I wonder, did Twitch's mother teach
him to
> lie, plagiarize, and screw around? I think he learned philandering
from
did "poke around" which resulted in Paul being a bastard child. It took
Twitchell's Grandma to get Paul's bio dad to do the right thing and
raise Paulji with his dad's name. Paul was not born of a virgin as he
claimed each LEM was born under miracilous circumstances. He was born
of a drunken father and a whore!!!***CM
>
> "It is common knowledge that the ECK initiate will be finished with
birth
> and death in this lifetime, but again this depends upon the
circumstances
> of spiritual things and the degree to which the chela devotes his
time to
excersizes of Eck, Paul used his term in the place of Simran, the RS
Holy Chant.***CM
>
> (Needless to say, the cult member who thinls they *will* have to
> reincarnate is extremely rare, if not totally nonexistent.)
>
> Geez, I'm going into "retirement" again. And work on the website.
>
> Sharon
> --
> Center for Twitchellian Plagiarism:
> http://vclass.mtsac.edu:930/phil/center.htm
> http://members.delphi.com/sharon2000
> http://www.iguild.com/homes/eckcult
>
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cosmic...@my-deja.com
gruendemann <gruen...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>
>
> Sharo...@playful.com wrote:
> >
> > (Inside front cover:
> Dealing with trolls
>
with the truth about Eckanshit, you folks can not offer any real true
defense only empty cult rhetoric. ***CM