Legacy of Lineage, or L.O.L. for short

[Etznab]

Do a Google search for the following and you will see what I mean.

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Sudar Singh

Rebazar Tarzs

Paul Twitchell

John-Roger Hinkins

Darwin Gross

Harold Klemp

Timothy Arnold

Graham Forsyth

Duane Heppner

Michael Owens

Paul Marche

Allen Feldman

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Did I forget anybody?

How many of the above individuals claimed to have had contact with a Rebazar Tarzs?

[Etznab]

All of the above look to Rebazar Tarzs for a pedigree, or have descended from the same lineage that contains him one might assume. So this is a good reason to establish whether Rebazar Tarzs is real, or fiction. Afterall, How many of the above names has Rebazar Tarzs (truth, or fiction?)supposedly endorsed? And how many more are yet to follow?

Better to nip this in the bud now, me thinks. Look at the numerous plagiarisms attributed to Rebazar Tarzs and it looks like the former has not only supported several different masters and spiritual paths, but was / is also a plagiarist to boot!

Rebazar Tarzs. Truth or fiction?

[wernertrp]

If you join a Perry Rhodan fan-club ...
Rebazar Terze is missing total,
but Gucky and Atlan and Icho Tolot is stil alive.

[sign...@gmail.com]

I've met Rebazar loads of times. Why? Because of spiritual need. How? Via the Spiritual Exercises of ECK. They work. And always will.

[sign...@gmail.com]

On Sunday, July 16, 2017 at 2:52:00 AM UTC+1, Etznab wrote:

And whilst we are on this topic, what about the wider question of whether the ECK Masters as an order exist? Most of the Masters I've met are completely unknown in the outer works.

[wernertrp]

the earth is fat.
that's not a writing error.

[Etznab]

On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 8:43:19 PM UTC-5, Etznab wrote:

Sudar Singh

(?) A.D. - Eck Master Sudar Singh? - 1885? "The next Master was Sudar Singh of Allahabad who spread ECK to Europe and other places on the globe. He lived into his nineties before passing away." [Based on: The Spiritual Notebook, by Paul Twitchell, 10th printing 1983, p. 195]

*Trivia: "Sudar Singh was reported to be approximately 105 years old at the time of his death." [Based on: ECKANKAR, Compiled Writings Volume 1, Paul Twitchell - Copyright 1975 by Gail T. Gross, p. 84. Compiled from: All About ECK, Paul Twitchell, Copyright 1968]

*Trivia: "It was upon their return to Paris that Paul met Sudar Singh for the first time. The Indian holy man was lecturing in France in an effort to gain sincere disciples." [Based on: IN MY SOUL I AM FREE (ISBN 0-914766-11-2), by Brad Steiger (Copyright 1968?), p. 51]

*Trivia: "[....] The stories about Kay-Dee's trip to Paris to study art, which came from Brad Steiger's biography on Paul Twitchell, took another fascinating turn. Iverlet claimed that Kay-Dee never left the United States her whole life. What came out in another post, however, was the information that Kay-Dee had indeed gone to Paris to study art - however, it was not Paris, France but Paris, Kentucky.
"The story in Steiger's, In My Soul I Am Free, tells us that Paul also visited Kay-Dee while she was in Paris. According to the book, this was one year after Paul graduated high school. Wouldn't you know it, but a biographical listing on Paul that appeared in the Kentucky Who's Who for 1927, found in the Paducah Library files, showed that Paul lived in Paris, Kentucky the year after he graduated High School!
"But why call it Paris, France instead of Paris, Kentucky?
"Oddly, David Lane provided the answer to this as well. He had confronted Brad Steiger and asked Steiger why he had published such false stories about Paul in his book. Brad Steiger answered, according to David, that it was common to substitute names and places in biographies back then. [....]" [Based on: Dialogue in the Age of Criticism, Chap. 11]

*Trivia: "[...] The Lady of ECK, which was a title that was hand written afterward. The original manuscript, however, was typed in 1960 and 1961. This was about a year or so after Paul's sister, Katie, died. In the manuscript he is taken out of his body by the one he calls The Lady of ECK and meets with his sister. She berates him for not settling down to do his work and he talks with her about their early days together in Paris, going through an old cemetery and being with the presence of Master Singh. [....]" [Based on: Doug Marman A.R.E. post, about 02/27/10]

*Link: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/msg/2b9f58371fba501a?hl=en

*Trivia "[....] Paul was learning how to put the truths he found on the inner planes into writing. He had a very difficult time figuring out a way to present Eckankar to this society. The earliest mention of his use of the word Eckankar was about 1960 or 1961. He said he had come across the teachings through Sudar Singh in a general way as early as 1935, then studied them in depth with Rebazar Tarzs starting in 1951. But the teachings were difficult for him to bring out, because nobody cared. [....]" [Based on: Article (Getting the ECK Message Out) by Harold Klemp - see link]

*Link: http://www.eckankar.org/Masters/Peddar/man.html#training [T.D. - November 2006]

*Trivia: "I began my study of ECKANKAR under the tutelage of Sat Guru Sudar Singh in Allahabad, India. Later I studied under Rebazar Tarzs." [Based on: ECKANKAR, Compiled Writings, Vol. 1 (Copyright 1975 by Gail T. Gross), by Paul Twitchell, p. 50]

*Trivia: "[....] Sudar Singh often spoke of Rebazar Tarzs, a Tibetan saint, whom he said was reputed to be over five hundred years old, and was at the time living in the foothills between Darjeeling and Gangtock somewhere, but presently has a small abode in the Hindu Kush mountains on the Afghanistan-Kashmir frontier, near Tibet. [....]" [Based on: ECKANKAR, Compiled Writings Volume 1, Paul Twitchell (Copyright 1975 by Gail T. Gross), p. 32]

*Trivia: Q: "Was there a Living ECK Master before 1965?" HK: "Yes, there was. This was Sudar Singh from India who died in the 1940s. Then Rebazar Tarzs, the torchbearer of the leadership of ECK who had been the Living ECK Master some time before, came in. He took the leadership until 1965, when Paul Twitchell had earned the right. Paul Twitchell had to earn it, as did all the others. There has been an unbroken succession of ECK Masters that goes quite far back. Some of them are described in 'The Spiritual Notebook.' [....]" [Based on: How To Find God, p. 162]

*Trivia: "We are making an effort to construct a physical history of ECKANKAR, looking for actual physical records to verify the existence of some of the ECK Masters in a way that historians of the future will be able to accept; something beyond just the words of one of the Living ECK Masters of the past. It will be vital for the survival of ECKANKAR as a religious teaching in the future."

"As we began research in a number of different areas around the world, we got reports that Sudar Singh had lived and really was an ECK Master. Many ECKists have experiences with Rebazar Tarzs, Yaubl Sacabi, Fubbi Quantz, and other ECK Masters, but very few see Sudar Singh. As it turns out, he did live and work in Allahabad. Paul mentioned he died around the 1940s, but it seems to have been around 1955."

"The research we do today will someday be pored over by historians. They will get into great debates about this or that crisis, about this or that person. We are living the historical moments today, and whatever later historians want to make of it for their own unfoldment is up to them. For now, we continue to live our lives in the mainstream of Spirit."

[Based on: Harold Klemp, The Secret Teachings, p. 246]

[Etznab]

On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 8:43:19 PM UTC-5, Etznab wrote:

Rebazar Tarzs

"He [Rebazar Tarzs] was born in a western province of China, near Chamdo, on the border of Tibet." [Based on: Herbs The Magic Healers (1968?) by Paul Twitchell, Second Printing 1987, p. 138]

*Trivia: "... St. Catherine of Siena was an eater of the Cosmic Spirit, as is Rebazar Tarzs, the great ECK Master who has lived here since 1452. [... .]"

[Based on: Herbs The Magic Healers (1968?) by Paul Twitchell, Second Printing 1987, p. 211]
*Trivia: Rebazar Tarzs was born in the year of 1461, in the mountain village of Sarana in northern Tibet. He developed into mastership under the spiritual guidance of Yaubl Sacabi. It was he who was responsible for Christopher Columbus' inner guidance. He stayed on earth for seventy-five years [until 1536?] teaching ECK, then he retired in the same body to the mountainous vastness of the Himalayas. He has spiritually developed several ECK Masters, and is responsible for the passing of the Rod of ECK power from one master to his successor. He also developed spiritually Peddar Zaskq." [Based on: The Spiritual Notebook, by Paul Twitchell, 10th printing 1983, pp. 193-194]

*Trivia: "Rebazar Tarzs told him [Paul Twitchell] that his mission in his present life was to serve as the Living ECK Master for the modern world, to bring to a confused and materialistic era an ages-old message, the message of ECK." [Based on: ECKANKAR, Compiled Writings Volume 1, Paul Twitchell (Copyright 1975 by Gail T. Gross), p. 176]

*Trivia: [Rebazar Tarzs to Paul Twitchell] "[....] Remember all that has been told you. You are next in line for the spiritual mantle, to become the Mahanta, the living ECK Master. [NP] This is all!" [Based on: Dialogues with the Master, Original copyright 1970 by Paul Twitchell; copyright transferred to ECKANKAR 1982, Eighth Printing - 1983, p. 238]

[Etznab]

On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 8:43:19 PM UTC-5, Etznab wrote:

Paul Twitchell

"[....] Following him [Sudar Singh] is Peddar Zaskq, who was born on a packetboat in the midst of the Missippi River, a few minutes after a great earthquake shook the mid-South and formed a great lake in this region. He [Paul Twitchell] became the Mahanta, the living ECK Master after studying under Rebazar Tarzs." [Based on: The Spiritual Notebook, by Paul Twitchell, 10th printing 1983, p. 195]

[Henosis Sage]

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Well well well.

AS doug says way back to you Mr Etznab:

"Actually, if I was going to give it a name I would call it editorial changes.
Editing is done all the time. And authors do have the right to edit their own
writings. I don't see the crime."

AND

"Little things like this can change everything, and my point is that we
know so little, but people have formed such strong opinions when there
is really a lot less that we know than what we don't know." 02/28/2010

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/RE5XRpHP0Wg/GlC6HzdYnysJ

Don't let that stop you from forming your own strong emotional opinions Doug and
spending decades instilling those very opinions into others and arguing endlessly
with people who do not agree with your unsubstantiated unproven OPINIONS Doug Marman!!!

[Etznab]

On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 8:43:19 PM UTC-5, Etznab wrote:

John-Roger Hinkins

"[....] According to Eckankar, John-Roger 'joined Eckankar in Sept. 1967. He received his second initiation from Paul Twitchell in 1968. A short time after this he became inactive in Eckankar (...)' [24]. MSIA has no quarrel with the dates, but denies that John-Roger ever really 'joined' Eckankar, let alone received the 'second initiation' and thus become technically an Eckankar initiate (the so called first initiation, not unlike AMORC's first Temple Degrees, does not require the physical presence of a minister of Eckankar). John-Roger only read Eckankar's literature and occasionally met with Twitchell. Most Eckankar students would receive their ("second") initiation during their second year of involvement in the movement. John-Roger, however, certainly did not devote his time exclusively, or even predominantly, to Eckankar during 1967-1968, nor does he acknowledge to have received any 'initiation' [25]. [... .]

[Based on: http://www.cesnur.org/testi/msia.htm] - [T.D. - 06/25/10]

"[....] John-Roger is known to members of M.S.I.A. as the physical manifestation of the Mystical Traveler Consciousness (a concept quite similar to the Satguru in the Radhasoami tradition and the Mahanta in Eckankar). According to Roger's account, the mantleship of the MTC was passed on to him in or around 1963. During this time, Roger claims to have met Sawan Singh, the late Radhasoami Satsang Beas master. 'J.R.', as he is affectionately called, holds that the Great Master of Beas was the previous carrier of the Mystical Traveler Consciousness and passed on the 'keys to the Kingdom' to him on the inner spiritual planes. However, 'J.R.' at that time did not recognize the luminous being as Sawan Singh. It was only later when he saw a photograph of the guru that he placed the picture of the Great Master with the powerful entity he encountered in meditation. [... .]"

[Based on: http://webspace.webring.com/people/de/eckcult/chapters/tmsma1.html]

"[...] MSIA developed out of a series of six seminars held at the home of Muriel Engle in Santa Barbara, California. The first seminar took place on May 4, 1968. Across the course of six evenings, the audience was modest. Attendance ranged from 13 to 30 persons, depending upon the evening.
"A number of people who came to the early seminars drove from other cities in southern California. As the seminars became regular, ongoing meetings, these 'long-distance' attendees were able to persuade John-Roger to begin holding seminars outside of Santa Barbara. This expansion of J-R's activities continued until he was doing five seminars a week at different homes in different cities. The Church of the Movement of Spiritual Inner Awareness was formally incorporated three years later, in 1971. [....]"

[Based on: http://www.msia.org/msia.qry?ID=42]

Note: Hinkins doesn't appear affiliated with any Rebazar Tarzs lineage,etc.

http://www.msia.org/faqs

[Etznab]

On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 8:43:19 PM UTC-5, Etznab wrote:

Darwin Gross

"[....] Darwin, himself, went from joining ECKANKAR in 1968, to a Fifth Initiate in 1970, to ECK Mastership in 1971. This is simply too fast, even if he had much of this training in a previous life. But as Paul said, this is the way of the Sugmad to work out ITS purpose in the world. [....]" [Based on: Doug Marman, Dialogue in the Age of Criticism, Chap. 9]

*Trivia: "[....] Masters Rebazar Tarzs, Fubbi Quantz, Yaubl Sacabi, Lai Tsi, and Gopal Das preceded Sri Paul Twitchell, each taking their turn as the Bourchakoum Master of their times. Paul was trained by Rebazar, then accepted the rod of power in 1965, bringing forth the teachings publicly to the world for the first time, via books, discourses, seminar lectures, and tapes. When Paul Twitchell translated, (died), in September 1971, his replacement, Sri Darwin Gross had already been the 972nd master of the time ten months prior to Paul's passing."

[Based on: http://www.atomshop.org/main/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=25&Itemid=37]

*Trivia: "[...] I remember, however, Gail describing how many times she had told Paul that he needed to select his successor before he died - that she wasn't going to be put in a position where she or anyone else should have to make such a decision. Gail told Paul quite clearly that this was Paul's job and if he didn't take care of it before he left this world, well, that was just too bad, because she certainly wasn't going to make the selection.
"Paul apparently did make a list, a short list, of those who were potential successors. But he did not make a final choice before he died. This put Gail in a very awkward position.
"She began to get calls from a few of the prominent leaders, such as the ECKANKAR office manager and Dr. Bluth. They told her that the whole teaching would fall apart without a leader and that no one else except her could say who that leader should be, since she was the closest person to Paul. They urged her again and again to do something. But Gail told them exactly what she had told Paul: It was Paul's choice and he was going to have to make it. She wasn't.
"Then some days later, she had a vivid dream. Paul came to her in the dream and told her that Darwin Gross was the next ECK Master. Paul had not let her down. He made his choice clear to Gail. And to prove to her the truth of this dream Paul told her that the dream would be confirmed twice in the next few days. She would receive two outer confirmations. [... .]"

[Based on: Dialogue in the Age of Criticism, Chap. 4]

Darwin Gross, the 972 nd Eckmaster
The controversy continued following Twitchell's death in 1971 with the new Living Eckmaster Darwin Gross. After an intense struggle for power within Eckankar between 1981 and 1983, Gross was stripped of all his authority and succeeded by Harold Klemp. Gross began his group, The Ancient Teachings of the Masters (ATOM) and claimed he was not starting a new teaching but was merely continuing to spread the teachings of Paul Twitchell. Eckankar banned his use of any trademarked Eckankar terminology. Gross is still considered the 972nd Eckmaster, but his picture is not posted in the Temple of Eck and he is not mentioned in discussion of previous masters.

[Based on: IV. Controversies @ http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/ecka.html]

*Trivia: "... by the end of 1973 and early 1974 Darwin [Darwin Gross] was being introduced as the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master, at all the major seminars, and in the ECK publications. [... .]" [See: Dialogue in the Age of Criticism, Chap. 12]

*Trivia: "At Seattle Worldwide in 1976, Sri Darwin Gross was introduced onstage as 'The Mahanta, The Living Eck Master'. " [Based on: A.R.E. post (Was Darwin Gross a Mahanta) by Michael Turner, 11/22/08]

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/browse_thread/thread/9a82ef98038133da?hl=en#

[Etznab]

On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 8:43:19 PM UTC-5, Etznab wrote:

Harold Klemp

Harold's dizzying ascension from proofreader to Living Eck Master constitutes another intriguing story in the line of the three Eckankar masters. In 1981, the transfer of the Rod of Eck Power took place as Harold Klemp became the 973rd (More accurately, the third) Living Eck Master. Harold was not named the Mahanta at that time as it was Darwin's intention to retain the Mahanta portion of the title. Then too, Paul had messed this up with a story line that a Mahanta would not follow him for quite some time. Both Darwin and eventually Harold disagreed with this and came up with their own story lines to demonstrate that they were "the real deal."
Darwin thought that, though he had relinquished the role of Living Eck Master, he would retain control of the organization and continue wearing the mantle of Mahanta. [... .]

[Based on: Confessions of a God Seeker, A Journey to Higher Consciousness, copyright 2003, p. 227]

*Trivia: "Klemp became the ECK master in 1981, but struggled for supremacy within the Church with Twitchell's immediate successor Darwin Gross, who maintained the title of Mahanta and as such was still Klemp's superior. In 1983, amid numerous court challenges and other conflicts, Klemp achieved both titles."

[Based on: Biography section (2nd paragraph) @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harold_Klemp]

*Trivia: "According to testimony taken on May 31st, 1984, the former Living ECK Master, Darwin Gross, apparently claimed that in January his successor, Harold Klemp, was asked to step aside. Reportedly, it was Rebazar Tarz and Yaubl Sacabi who asked Harold Klemp to step aside." [Based on: Confessions of a God Seeker, A Journey to Higher Consciousness, p. 239]

*Related Links [see 4th-last paragraph on page]:

http://web.archive.org/web/20091130045935/http://darwingrosstruthfile.homestead.com/DGTFitem5.html

[Etznab]

On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 8:43:19 PM UTC-5, Etznab wrote:

Timothy Arnold

[...] The AKATHA introductory book pictured [see link] was written in 1986 by Sri Timothy Arnold, the Mahaji and 973rd Living SRAOSHA Master. [...] The co-founders of AKATHA are Sri Paul Twitchell (of Eckankar between 1965 and 1971 [deceased]), Sri Fubbi Quantz (presented the name "AKATHA" in 1986 and Sri Timothy's immediate predecessor), and Sri Timothy Martin, Arnold, the present Mahaji, the 973rd Living SRAOSHA Master. These three spiritual masters are of the only unbroken line of masters stretching into eternity and the highest evolved Souls of their time. The eternal unbroken line takes place in a fluctuation of time called "supralaya" not known by other teachings (time comes and goes). Eckankar was the high path (presently AKATHA) from 1965 to 1971 until Paulji passed away and now he is the Guardian of the Temple of Golden Wisdom on the Ninth Plane (see the book "Tiger's Fang" by Paul Twitchell - 1965). [....]

[Based on: http://www.webspawner.com/users/timarnold/]

*Trivia: "[...] Moreover, Kabir's Kabav existed for a short time about 18 years from 1500 until the former's death in 1518. Its present off-shoots are the Bhakti and Sant Mat movements. Jalal al din Rumi in the 13th century founded the form of AKATHA called the Melvev Order until his death in 1273. These bringing the teachings public (called "prakasana") and taking non-public ("aprakasana"s) is the method called "avaksa" that Paulji did also with Eckankar resulting in AKATHA fifteen years later in 1986, publicly presented two years later in 1988. [... .]"

http://www.akatha.com/akatha-history.html

[Etznab]

On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 8:43:19 PM UTC-5, Etznab wrote:

Graham Forsyth

1996 - Journal Entry / Graham Forsyth - October 22nd, 1996 - On The Prospect of Receiving the Rod OF ECK Power (Meeting with Masters)

[... .]

[See: Confessions of a God Seeker, A Journey to Higher Consciousness, by Ford Johnson, pp. 48-49].

[Etznab]

On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 8:43:19 PM UTC-5, Etznab wrote:

Duane Heppner

"[...] Very few knew that Paul Twitchell handed me The Rod of Power in 2001, with Harold and an unconscious Joan standing in the background and watching. Harold decided to go with his attitude about Joan and her relationship with The Three Headed God instead of listening to The RealGuidance. [... .]"

http://www.storyofmylife.com/User/user_story_view.aspx?storyId=4871&UserId=184140&ChapterId=8936

*Trivia: "[...] BOOK TWO...The present day life for Duane and his training up to 2001, when Paul Twitchell gave Duane 'The Rod of Power' for the first time. Rebazar Tarzs once again takes Duane far past The Gods of Man into The TruHeart of The ALL IS. It took Duane 30 years to step into his first attempt at a position most of this world knows nothing about. Then Rebazar, with all The Real Universal Guides and his friends Kathy and Beverly present put Duane into 'The RealLight of The IS' for the second time in 2007. [... .]"

*Link: http://www.thereturnofthereal.us/

[Etznab]

On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 8:43:19 PM UTC-5, Etznab wrote:

Michael Owens

"[...] According to him [Michael Owens], he received the 'Rod of Eck Power' in the Valley of Timer, ousting Harold Klemp from this position and presumably taking control of Eckankar. Michael penned his own version of Book IV of the Shariyat Ki Sugmad replete with experiences with Eck masters, some formerly known and some new. [....]" [See link]

[Based on: http://www.thetruth-seeker.com/michael_owens.asp] - [June 2005]

*Trivia: "Michael Owens’ experiences that led to his proclaiming himself the 974th Living Eck Master are much like those of Forsyth and Davis in the detail with which these 'masters' reinforce the Eckankar mythology. Indeed, Owens’ claim to mastership and spiritual pre-eminence reads much like Graham’s in his elevation to an exalted status as the superior spiritual being. Here is a quote from the Shariyat IV by Michael Owens (aka, Dan Rin)

There are five primary Masters that teach within this line of unfoldment. The first and greatest, and the head of all others within this hierarchy of love and unfoldment, is Milarepa. He is the one that guides [of] all others within this universe’s planes, for he does possess the greatest wisdom of all that may be known, except for Dan Rin.

[Based on: http://www.thetruth-seeker.com/michael_owens.asp] - [June 2005]

*Trivia: "[...] As stated earlier, Michael had originally proclaimed himself the 974th Living Eck Master in the line of Variagi Masters. However, this elevation did not last very long. Michael soon received a letter from Eckankar’s attorneys to the effect that not withstanding his self-proclaimed elevation to the 'exalted' position of Mahanta, the Living Eck Master, the franchise is owned by Eckankar and Harold Klemp. No one else is allowed to claim descent from this line of 'Eck Masters.' Recognizing that he could not take over the throne from Harold, Michael apparently abandoned his claim to be the Living Eck Master in the line of Variagi Masters and did a side step, presumable ignoring his anointment from Sugmad and the order of Variagi masters to reemerge, this time, as the 'latest in the long line of ‘Bentels’, Living Spiritual Masters (not known by that name).' [....] [Based on: article by Ford Johnson (The Rise and Fall of the 974th Living Eck Master), past 3/4 down page @:

http://www.thetruth-seeker.com/michael_owens.asp]

*Trivia: "[...] In 2003, the prediction came true. In the Valley of Tirmer, a place in the Far East where new Living Spiritual Masters are introduced, with the contention of opposing factions, Michael received the Rod of Power of the Light and Sound and the mantle of Sehaji, the Living Spiritual Master, and the spiritual name Dan Rin. He had been trained outside the view of his predecessor because the Detached Order wanted the next Spiritual Master not to be trained within the emerging orthodoxy that the Path had become. The entire Detached Order oversaw Michael's training. [... .]"

Of Sri Michael, it has been said:

And so now a new dawn is arisen within the hearts of man and for the growth and evolution and progression of the Light and Sound. And Sri Michael is the 974th Living Spiritual Master who has come to render this service to Sugmad and for the benefit of all souls who seek of realms above. Welcome to you, travelers of the light and sound, for within the warmth of his outstretched arms, and under the cloak of his protection, shall you find the truth and liberation that long have you sought and desired.

May the blessings be, and safe journeys on your path, for the truth above awaits you. Baraka Bashad.

[Based on: http://www.thewayoftruth.com/bios.htm]

https://web.archive.org/web/20091124041417/http://www.thewayoftruth.com:80/

[Etznab]

On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 8:43:19 PM UTC-5, Etznab wrote:

Paul Marche

"Paul Marché has accepted the full responsibility of the job of the 973rd Living ATOM Master of the Time. This is a job he began 2 years ago when Sri Darwin Gross gave him the 12th Initiation on the plane ride home from the October 2006 Cleveland ATOM Event after their early departure from the seminar. Gradually, over the next 2 years, Darji began to turn over more and more of the inner responsibilities associated with the job of the Living ATOM Master culminating in the October 22nd gathering of Vairagi Masters in the Valley of Tirmir for the passing of the Torch of Divine Love."

[Based on: http://www.atomworld.org/] - [T.D. - 11/12/08]

"My work here, in general, is to carry on for my beloved Master Darwin Gross. This is a simple but important point. The incoming Teacher always continues to support his Teacher and the body of works that he produced. The Vairagi, or Boucharan Masters are the only unbroken line of teaching Masters in existence. If you find a break in any line of Masters, you can be sure you're not looking at the most direct path back to Sugmad."

"Peddar Zaskq and DapRen wrote about the special spiritual connection that can exist between a man and a woman. This is something that Peddar had with his wife when he was the Living ATOM Master that carried on with Darji during the times of great growth in Eckankar until the late 70's. It has been a tremendous blessing to me to have a similar circumstance prior to and now during my term in this job. Tammy has been a great help both from the spiritual perspective and as my wife during this transition. Her spiritual standing, along with the work she has chosen in that capacity, allows her to assist with the inner workload giving me more time and energy to devote to the outer work that Peddar Zaskq and DapRen wish to bring forth in this era. Due to the efforts and sacrifices of my predecessors, the way has been cleared in these times for both women and men to take these greater spiritual steps. All that is required is to take the time each day to build one's spiritual foundation and to serve as an open vehicle for the Sugmad, through the Mahanta, in the capacity of one's own choosing." - Paul

[Based on: http://www.atomworld.org/] - [T.D. - 11/12/08]

*Links: https://www.dhunami.org/

[Etznab]

On Saturday, July 15, 2017 at 8:43:19 PM UTC-5, Etznab wrote:

Allen Feldman

"[...] Exciting News! The Current Margatma, The Living VARDAN Master Has Just Gone Public- Currently as of October 22, 2013 this initiate after training with the Ancient VARDAN Masters became the next true successor. The true successor to receive the Spiritual Rod of Power is Sri Allen Feldman (his spiritual name is Nye Dah Zah) who under the guidance of Rebazar Tarzs and Yaubl Sacabi is now bringing the high path now called VARDANKAR public once again! This is exciting for the individual who truly wants to return to HURAY (God) because the high path has been nearly invisible or on the outer sometimes unavailable for many years. For some this is great, exciting news because the long wait is finally over! It was Paul Twitchell himself who on the inner planes guided Allenji back to the true high path of a different name. The HURAY (God) desired that more souls be reached with the most direct route to return to IT. [... .]"

[Based on: http://www.paultwitchelltruth.com/] - [T.D. - 02/03/14]

*Trivia: "[...] And as we mentioned earlier it was at the time of Paul Twitchell's death that Rebazar Tarzs took the Rod of VARDAN power back and held it for a over a decade. [...] After over a decade of holding the Rod of power Rebazar Tarzs once again passed the Rod of VARDAN power to a new master. Unfortunately this new master failed to meet his spiritual mission, broke several spiritual laws, was brought down in consciousness by Vanity and Anger and finally in January of 2013 the Spiritual Hierarchy decided to take back the VARDAN Rod of power and once again Rebazar Tarzs held it. [N.P] The ancient VARDAN Masters such as Yaubl Sacabi and Rebazar Tarzs appointed Sri Allen Feldman who was given the Rod of VARDAN Power from Rebazar Tarzs on October 22nd 2013 in order to bring the teachings out to the public once more. [... .]"

http://www.paultwitchelltruth.com/rebazar-tarzs.html
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/N4RLoWJHesA

*Links: http://vardankar.com/

[wernertrp]

Please put religion or should I say all religions into a trashcan

and join Jan Cox for a while only.

[Tisra Til]

From the Allen Feldman Vadankar PaulTwitchelltruth.com website:

"On another note Paul Twitchell only copied less than 1% in his works and most of his writing were incredibly original. Few people give Paul Twitchell the credit he’s due. Unfortunately when Paul Twitchell translated there was nobody to replace him until very recently (for more information on this go to www.Vardankar.com) . Many thousands of us have experienced leaving our physical bodies in out of body travel to experience these incredible light filled heaven's Paul Twitchell spoke of for ourselves."

If that's not a dead giveaway.... 😳😜🙃

[Tisra Til]

So many masters, so little time.
What to do.... what to do....what to do...?😱😵😴

[Henosis Sage]

Hi Robert, how's it going?

I can accept that Paul Twitchell "meant well".

That he did the best he could at the time.

That his little "trick" of how he presented himself and the teachings was in
good faith and intended to help people.

And that both positive and negative experiences people have within Eckankar
are or can be helpful/useful.

That being said, the road to hell is replete with good intentions.

That they do not excuse a lack of competence nor make up for the harms done
to people as a result of Paul's choices and actions, and those who followed him.

Personal experience and the machinations of people's dreams are important and
can be of great value to the individual, however, but, still .....

How Not To Be Stupid - A Guide To Critical Thinking
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1OedkyxEqtA

[Tisra Til]

Interesting that Hinkins died on October 22nd. Planned that way??

[Etznab]

http://www.eckankar.org/Masters/Rebazar/index.html

https://web.archive.org/web/20070103030915/http://www.atom.org/

https://web.archive.org/web/20100523142406/http://atomdoers.org/DhunMasters.html

http://www.paultwitchelltruth.com/rebazar-tarzs.html

https://outskirtspress.com/rebazartarzs

[Henosis Sage]

(smile)

[Henosis Sage]

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Tis humourous. And sad too.

How about this instead .... "Many thousands to millions of us have experienced leaving our physical bodies in out of body travel to (have) experiences..... who had never ever heard of Twitchell, or Eckankar, or Vardankar, or Radhasoami, or Sufis or Sikhs or Theosophy nor sat at the foot of a Hindu or Buddhist Guru" ????

[Henosis Sage]

RE ..... and join Jan Cox for a while only.

And if enough numbers do that soon enough Jan Cox becomes the new Guru and it all starts over yet again. :-)

It's a mystery to me how humanity is still a living species Werner.

[whattheHnextthen]

So, -- out of all these topics and posts about 50 now I have gone through, is there a seperate thread for those whom have gone through Eck and Duane and are working on their own personal "freedom" so to say (out of creation/simulation), to discontinue reincarnating over and over and over and over. I am tired of coming here. I am tired of being in these lifetimes.

[fife]

whattheHnextthen

"Jivan mukti", "moksha", "spiritual liberation", "nirvana"... Just pick something you like and go with it. Have confidence in it and yourself. You can always change your mind later on if you find something better, something you like more.

I get being tired of it all. But restless, wandering, can't focus all comes from no choice. Better your best guess for where you're coming from than no choice.

[wswh...@gmail.com]

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Forgot which thread / topic but someone mentioned there is lack of photo of Duane, one of the original q's I had when I moved from the Wes Penre doc's / info to Duane's info/yt's, finally found one photo not too long ago, but when he was younger, : https://www.instagram.com/p/KlJZy_IJ8h/
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Yes, I shall just go back now to the waking dream of this reality and focus on raising the children (3) I brought into this odd sickly gross plane(t) world. And leave all this waking up mumbo jumbo to the wayside now. It has total been 5 years of this boot camp journey, to finally get here, and it appears to just be no where which is all fine n dandy now that I can recognize that all info/reference/ideas and etc, ALL ARE AND WILL BE. More and more gets created here. It is endless.

[fife]

:-) Waking dream. Boot camp. But you've obviously got a sense of humor. That's good. A lot of creativity. Yep. Yep. And none of it's worth a damn but yours. But surely you've heard it all before. You sound like a Mom? You sound like a good one. Don't forget to lace up your boots (boot camp). 😉

[fife]

Hey, wswh...@gmail.com !

This ain't no party, this ain't no disco
This ain't no foolin' around
No time for dancin'
Or lovey dovey
I ain't got time for that now

I've changed my hairstyle
So many times now
I don't know what I look like

I've used this a couple of times now and I don't want to wear it out. But some of the verses are funny as outtakes.

☺

[whattheHnexthen]

Appreciate your time to respond, I do.

All just is. I'll hang around here a bit to raise them but then I am movin' on.

Gross plane(t) this is. Yuck.

[fife]

4:53 PMwhattheHnexthen

Appreciate your time to respond, I do.

All just is. I'll hang around here a bit to raise them but then I am movin' on.

Gross plane(t) this is. Yuck.

All good. Drop back any time. Best wishes.