KINPA - I have never needed to proselytize in any way

[Henosis Sage]

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KINPA SAYS 07/09/2014


i also use ALL of the plagiarized works of others along side of those of Paul Twitchell and Harold Klemp, including all of the writings and talks of Neville Goddard, Hazrat Inayat Khan, and even Édouard Shuré , and people find it all very interesting, and decide to join anyhow...

....i know of more than 50 individuals that have met these so called "fictional" ECK Masters that Mr. Twitchell created from fantasy, or from changing names in his writings (or plagiarisms, however you see it)

it makes no difference to me, but honestly, do you REALLY need attention THIS bad?

i just thought i would make a sarcastic statement or five, because it amuses me to do so....


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On Thursday, September 4, 2014 12:44:49 AM UTC-4, Peetee Aitchei wrote:
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it simply makes no sense to YOU, and is therefore irrational...to YOU! LOL...youre a funny funny person...its all good, i seriously DONT care whether you sue Eckankar or not, but to be honest, constantly whining on the internet is a waste of time....to each his or her own however, all personal problems that are NOT mine, so enjoy that....i AM an ECKist, and i have never had any problem with how anyone leads the Org, or anything else, as those too are personal things, each individual has no choice but to deal with what their own perspective manifests for them....one funny thing is the way i have never needed to proselytize in any way, and i also use ALL of the plagiarized works of others along side of those of Paul Twitchell and Harold Klemp, including all of the writings and talks of Neville Goddard, Hazrat Inayat Khan, and even Édouard Shuré , and people find it all very interesting, and decide to join anyhow...when a method works, it simply works, and that has absolutely NO bearing on what one or another person's point of view, level of acceptance (or lack thereof) might be about what was done or not done by whomever....i know of more than 50 individuals that have met these so called "fictional" ECK Masters that Mr. Twitchell created from fantasy, or from changing names in his writings (or plagiarisms, however you see it) and yet people who happen to be wide awake see and speak to them....if it makes you feel better, feel free to decide that each of these persons is obviously perhaps a bit mentally challenged, or even "crazy", it makes no difference to me, but honestly, do you REALLY need attention THIS bad? you seem to be one particularly squeeky wheel over here, for whatever reason...it IS your time and energy, so far be it from me to tell you how to or how not to spend them, i just thought i would make a sarcastic statement or five, because it amuses me to do so....enjoy the rest of your day regardless~!

[Henosis Sage]

KINPA 07/09/2014

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how about YOU prove to ME and the rest of the world that they were in fact %100 made up by Paul Twitchell?? can you do that?? i dont actually care that he changed Kirpal Singh's name and Swami Premenanda's names to someone else
because i have enough common sense to know that you are already getting ahead of yourself based only on assumptions, and those just dont hold weight in a court of law, or anywhere else either, which in layman's terms means that you have absolutely NOTHING to prove that lol....but please, by all means continue with the rant!


you messed in your pants peetee LOL, on anything other than the physical planes, my sons are always with me you silly man...you may not believe what you are told, but you also arent so good at getting the information directly on the inner either are you? i dont have that trouble ;) anyhow, you were warned...im still waiting to see the proof you have of Masters that dont exist peetee boy! bring it if youve got it!

[Henosis Sage]

KINPA Kinpa 23/12/2014

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and still not able to show one bit of proof that PT intended to make money.....regardless of whether or not you use David Lane's book or the claims of other persons, you simply need to show proof, there is NO getting around that one without making yourself look foolish....the so called "evidence" you have shown thus far would never hold up in court anywhere in the world....since you bring it up and try to change tacts so often, i will have to look and find which other things you are missing and trying to use in a false manner that is equally not showing any form of actual truth....but just the same, have a happy holidays none the less!

so you keep claiming, but i have as of yet seen no evidence of it....but hey, have yourself a wonderful Christmas just the same Sean!

[Kinpa]

And??

[Henosis Sage]

On Sunday, 22 February 2015 14:23:27 UTC+11, Kinpa wrote:

> You're starting to sound like a bit of a crybaby...im going to ignore now
> because you SO want and need the attention! Have an awesome morning posting for the 3 people that read here. I have a number of other folks to speak with. buh-bye!


My Eckankar/ATOM Status?:

blessy...@yahoo.com (Kinpa) wrote in message news:<4190bbe9.03060...@posting.google.com>...

>
> why do YOU continue to bullshit every eckist on the planet?
Because there is NO CONNECTION between the crap Klemp is dishing
out and the teachings of Paulji, other than a hijacked outer
organization, and I'm damn well gonna let as many poeple as I can know
about it!

> if ATOM is
> so wonderful,
I'm not a current "subscriber" to ATOM (or a member of Eckankar),
so nothing I say is official ATOM anything. HOWEVER, I am still a 3rd
initiate of Darji (since June, 1973, via Mildred Moore in Los
Angeles), and contrary to Klemp's jive, that cannot be taken away from
me by any pseudo-Master like Klemp.

> and darwin is the true Mahanta, then get thee gone and
> shut thy ragged hole..
Don't you fucking wish! :) I managed to flush your sorry ass out of
the "bushes", didn't I? :)

>for someone who is on the "true" path to
> enlughtenment, you sure do alot of pissing and moaning...
Not half as much as Klemp does in his phony "Wisdom Notes".

>one would
> think you'd be too busy gaining experience with Sugmad to have the
> time to judge and argue with others who obviously just dont want
> anything to do with darwin...GET OVER IT ALREADY~!

Spiritual unfoldment for spiritual unfoldment's sake is ancient
history. You oughta know that much! :)

> if your music is anything like the rhetoric you display here, you can
> keep it!

Well, if you haven't got the balls to listen to it, then that's
your problem. But it proves that anybody claiming "God-Realization"
that didn't also have an aesthetic "rebirth" is a phony, and Klemp
definitely fills that bill.


Bill Flavell

[Kinpa]

I see no proselytizing, but here you prove exactly what i said above! Funny! Go for it! :D

[Kinpa]

You're still very irrational...but continue on! LOL

[Kinpa]

On Saturday, February 21, 2015 at 10:19:02 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:

[Kinpa]

pros·e·lyt·ize
ˈpräs(ə)ləˌtīz/
verb
convert or attempt to convert (someone) from one religion, belief, or opinion to another.

Hmmm...i'm just not seeing any of this...but your point of view is obviously less than objective...

[Henosis Sage]

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QUOTING MATTHEW SHARPE one year ago this month


Kinpa

22/02/2015

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You're starting to sound like a bit of a crybaby...im going to ignore now
because you SO want and need the attention! Have an awesome morning posting for the 3 people that read here. I have a number of other folks to speak with. buh-bye!

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Sure does NOT look to me that KINPA the SRI SANT SHABDA is ignoring me at all.

The evidence is overwhelming of 17 months of non-stop STALKING, LIES & ABUSE.

It's called PROOF btw, in case anyone is interested.

Holmes? Darael? Loni? Anyone?

Are any of you awake yet?

Besides those "members" that have PERMANENTLY LEFT the LFN in the last
several months?

LMAO~!!!

(shrug)

[Kinpa]

There is not one member that has "PERMANENTLY LEFT" in the last month! You ARE hilarious in your constant delusions however. Also, this is NOT proof of anything! It is hilarious when fools believe that the conversational definitions of words are the same as the words in a law. Not the same in ANY way however, reading a legal dictionary makes this FACT very very clear...but sean does have the right to be a public idiot as much and for as long as he wants to! Keep bringing it son!

And may your heart be blessed by Divine Light and Love, and Perfect Health, in the Name of the SUGMAD, the ECK, and the Mahanta!

[Etznab]

Last several months (not "last month") is what I saw.

[Kinpa]

Where is the proof? Anything?? LOL It's too bad that you believe that your association with sean is in any way helping you, but now it's far too late to have nothing to do with it. Be sure and tell sean to go ahead and show the proof that even ONE member has left....because that was just a lie....but you have a great night richie mcclintock!

[Etznab]

What?

[Henosis Sage]

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Nice opinion, however, it IS nothing more than your opinion. It is all fine for you to talk smack about anyone YOU want to, but no one is allowed to serve you the same? Funny, another double standard! Enjoy that MATTHEW, but it IS yours alone. I have yet to be "called on" my actions. You have yet to prove that you ARE an ECKist, and I still proclaim that you are not and that you are a liar. You don't have to like that, but I don't have to care if you don't either.

Show proof, and that stops being said, but you have no trouble THREATENING me with proof that you have never been able to produce. That simply will never work. I am calling YOU out for being a liar, and not a very good one either.

Nothing even remotely illegal about me doing so either. I suggest that you get over it. YOU are the only person that finds the subject all that important. I honestly could care less what you are. It has not one thing to do with my life, in any way.

Oh do cry me a river won't you? Do you a problem with understanding reality?

Apparently you aren't very familiar with this thing we call the internet....as a person who has been on various forums of all sorts and types, I have had many a run in with some whom much like yourself, didn't care for my opinion or anything I had to say....at this point you seemed to have the definite impression that you expected me to care one bit about your words and judgments to and of me. You ended up being very very wrong about that. That's just the way the cookie crumbles now isn't it?

If I were you I wouldn't lose any sleep over it, but if you do, you will still have no one to blame other than yourself. THAT is reality by most folks standards, whether you like to hear it from me or not, I care not one bit. You ARE free to NOT read what I write here, unless I am mistaken and you are a prisoner somewhere where your captors force you to read what I write at ARE. You tell me why you continue to do it.

No one forces you to act or write the way you do, the difference is, that a person like me finds it easy to just not care and then walk away. You on the other hand have shown a very definite problem of being at all able to do that.

I try to take you seriously KINPA but it just doesn;t work that way for me...you will have to excuse me for that, but that IS what posting in public is like, you HAVE to have a spine of your own or it isn't worth even bothering! I have a spine, I am not at all worried about anything I've ever said here, and that is why none of them are deleted....you two can't say the same however....ENJOY~!!!

It's funny that you claim:" I've watched both unable to disengage. Unable to even admit what they were doing in public."

That is nothing more than opinion, and your opinions are undoubtedly prejudiced by the fact that you didn't like what you were hearing. You like to pretend that you are all fair and civil, but you are not. It is funny that you believe that I was "unable to disengage" when in fact, I never was engaged to begin with.

As for "unable to admit what they were doing in public." I can just as easily say the same of you. So what? More irrelevant opinion. So you enjoy yours, but no one other than LONI might agree with you. And even if anyone did, why would I care? Stop whining already. Try to be a man for once in your life. Why don't YOU "admit what you are doing in public?"

Don't insist that I do something that you will not. Therefore it is an empty claim, as is your own to be in possession of a current membership card. Same story, different day.

And whining KINPA continues his useless rants that no one seems to care much about! H0w about proving to the world how HARD it is to make a fake Eckankar ID card? Or are you scared to back your words??? Too scared to show your ID number and expiry date?

You're starting to sound like a bit of a crybaby KINPA...im going to ignore now
because you SO want and need the attention! Have an awesome morning posting for the 2 people that read here. I have a number of other folks to speak with.

buh-bye!

And may your heart be blessed by Divine Light and Love, and Perfect Health, in the Name of the SUGMAD, the ECK, and the Mahanta!

*twinkle*


==

sound familiar?

try here
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!searchin/alt.religion.eckankar/kinpa$20crying$20/alt.religion.eckankar/BjKec_moewg/VyFU7SsGBgAJ

and here
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!searchin/alt.religion.eckankar/kinpa$20crying$20/alt.religion.eckankar/DlzYeLgqcA0/pHJKh3N6M9MJ

ROFL

(shrug)

[Henosis Sage]

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RE "Where is the proof? Anything??"


NOT to belay the point but KINPA also said this:

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Look into the mirror, you are the dolt that thinks he can intimidate folks from behind his keyboard LOL....how did it feel to threaten to rape a woman on the internet at David Lane's forum? That must feel EXACTLY like an idiot, being that you have always been one!

Also, here in the USA everyone is INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty! Dolt! LOL
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Group Creator: SRI SHABDA - Preceptor
Members: 31
Make God an everyday experience in your life.
http://www.lightforcenetwork.com/group/eckankar


on the 7th January 2016 it was:
Group: Eckankar
Group Creator: SHABDA - Preceptor
Members: 31
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/QSZwWAGeH9o/R1JpIZXaBAAJ


Looks like Kinpa got a NEW INITIATION from the Living Mistress of the LFN.
I wonder what SRI Harold Klemp and Susan Miller will think about that and
about all the Shamans there and the rest of the 'crap'?

and this is a MISTAKE by me and my memory:- IT WAS 31 MEMBERS A YEAR AGO - in Jan 2015

Not so for on the 8th July 2015 there was only 28 members of that ECKANKAR Group
operated by SRI SHABDA aka Kinpa aka Matthew Sharpe who claims to be an ECKist.

Back then Loni aka LOGOS had this to say:

LOGOS - Overseer: "If you have a personal issue, a concern or an admonition with an individual it serves mutual harmony to handle it privately ... not in the court (usually of the kangaroo genre) of public opinion. Anyone who avoids this is cowardly, and has no real desire for harmony... It is their greed to appear 'right,' or the 'victim.'" - William Dargin

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quoting the lfn

LOGOS is a Light Force Network PROFICIENT
LOGOS is the Owner and CEO of the Light Force Network
aka Reverend Doctor Loni J. Haas. (and by other names)

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and SHABDA - Preceptor had this to say:
SHABDA - Preceptor: "Each individual composes the music of his own life; if he injures another he breaks the harmony and there is discord in the melody of his life." - Hazrat Inayat Khan

and dear old retired police officer Darael had this to say:
DARAEL HIGHBORN...: "He who says, 'I cast no shadow,' is the shadow."

and flavour of the moment HOLMES had this to say:
Holmes: "The more you grasp at control, the faster you lose your grip."

but the best of the bunch is this one:

Magia: "He who busies himself with things other than improvement of his own self becomes perplexed in darkness and entangled in ruin. His evil spirits immerse him deep in vices and make his bad actions seem handsome." - Ali ibn Abi Talib

Like, how true is that? :-)



~LFN GUARDIANS~

Darael Highborn

Shabda

Salaam

Orun Aye

Rabbi Ezra Stern

Sáncte Míchael Archángele, defénde nos in proélio, cóntra nequítiam et insídias diáboli ésto præsídium.

Ímperet ílli Déus, súpplices deprecámur: tuque, prínceps milítiæ cæléstis, Sátanam aliósque spíritus malígnos, qui ad perditiónem animárum pervagántur in múndo, divína virtúte, in inférnum detrúde. Ámen.

Synopsis:
This group is for the LFN Guardians who are unique spiritual warriors and give selfless service to the site by protecting it spiritually and etherically AND for those who desire to support that effort. All spiritual belief systems are accepted.


BUT NO MAHANTA, and nothing in alignment with ECKANKAR?

The translation from the Latin goes:
Saint Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle, be our safeguard against the wickedness and snares of the devil.

May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou, O prince of the heavenly army, Satan and all evil spirits who wander through the world seeking the ruin of souls, the divine power, and thrust into hell Satan. Amen.

HS: What a bunch of absolute paranoid and delusional garbage that is.

OK but what about the "Dream Master/s" of ECKANKAR?

Ms Loni says:
The Dream Masters are spirits of the Night Realm and the Twilight Recesses of the Collective who guide the nature and necessity of all dreams. They bear no harm to the dreamer. Their intent is to bring realization and release from internal fears which may be blocking the dreamer from success in the hours of wakefulness.

HS: That doesn't sound like ECKANKAR teachings or coming from SRI Harold Klemp, the LEM and MAHANTA to me.

[Kinpa]

Aww still coming up with nothing are you? Of course....poor sean...crying his river to no one but etznab....enjoy while you are able, but that won't last terribly long....

[Kinpa]

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OBVIOUSLY poor sean is asleep at the wheel again, dreaming that even ONE member has "PERMANENTLY LEFT" because none have, not that he would know anyhow, due to the extreme LACK of any rushing here to hear HIS opinion about himself! A big 0% thus far, with NO indication that that will ever change...but allow sean his delusions, he is SO in need of them...

> > > > There is not one member that has "PERMANENTLY LEFT" in the last month! You ARE hilarious in your constant delusions however. Also, this is NOT proof of anything! It is hilarious when fools believe that the conversational definitions of words are the same as the words in a law. Not the same in ANY way however, reading a legal dictionary makes this FACT very very clear...but sean does have the right to be a public idiot as much and for as long as he wants to! Keep bringing it son!
> > > >
> > > > And may your heart be blessed by Divine Light and Love, and Perfect Health, in the Name of the SUGMAD, the ECK, and the Mahanta!
> > >
> > > Last several months (not "last month") is what I saw.

> >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
There is no difference between EITHER, as BOTH are not true....come again??

> > Where is the proof? Anything?? LOL It's too bad that you believe that your association with sean is in any way helping you, but now it's far too late to have nothing to do with it. Be sure and tell sean to go ahead and show the proof that even ONE member has left....because that was just a lie....but you have a great night richie mcclintock!
>
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>
> RE "Where is the proof? Anything??"
>
>
> NOT to belay the point but KINPA also said this:
>
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> Look into the mirror, you are the dolt that thinks he can intimidate folks from behind his keyboard LOL....how did it feel to threaten to rape a woman on the internet at David Lane's forum? That must feel EXACTLY like an idiot, being that you have always been one!
>
> Also, here in the USA everyone is INNOCENT until PROVEN guilty! Dolt! LOL
> [end quote]

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YOUR response to that entire issue is proof enough....besides the fact that your comments to her ARE still there, saved for eternity and for ANYONE to go and look at if they so wish...come again?? something to say?? I thought not...

> Group Creator: SRI SHABDA - Preceptor
> Members: 31
> Make God an everyday experience in your life.
> http://www.lightforcenetwork.com/group/eckankar
>
>
> on the 7th January 2016 it was:
> Group: Eckankar
> Group Creator: SHABDA - Preceptor
> Members: 31
> https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/QSZwWAGeH9o/R1JpIZXaBAAJ

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Unfortunately this is yet another LIE uttered by sean, as he is looking at a screenshot from 2013 and has NO clue what the membership number is currently, his putting the date of "2016" is not the same as any actual CURRENT screen shot (which he is 100% unable to see or get), therefore, nice lie, but NO cigar....typical

>
> Looks like Kinpa got a NEW INITIATION from the Living Mistress of the LFN.
> I wonder what SRI Harold Klemp and Susan Miller will think about that and
> about all the Shamans there and the rest of the 'crap'?

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
NONE of the above have had any problem with anything, however, it IS sort of hilarious that some words on a website get you all worked up and making claims....would you respond the same if the screen name said "GOD" ???? I think that you probably would, being rather simpleminded....but hey, you go ahead and send ANYTHING to Eckankar, because thus far you have never sent even ONE thing!

> and this is a MISTAKE by me and my memory:- IT WAS 31 MEMBERS A YEAR AGO - in Jan 2015

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Another time period that you were 100% unable to view any member numbers....try again!

> Not so for on the 8th July 2015 there was only 28 members of that ECKANKAR Group
> operated by SRI SHABDA aka Kinpa aka Matthew Sharpe who claims to be an ECKist.

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One who not only claims, but has actually proven the current membership to be the case...keep trying if you feel you must....funny that no one but richard mcclintock seems to care to listen....oh well, in the words of John Lennon "whatever gets you through the night, it's alright, it's alright..."

> Back then Loni aka LOGOS had this to say:
>
> LOGOS - Overseer: "If you have a personal issue, a concern or an admonition with an individual it serves mutual harmony to handle it privately ... not in the court (usually of the kangaroo genre) of public opinion. Anyone who avoids this is cowardly, and has no real desire for harmony... It is their greed to appear 'right,' or the 'victim.'" - William Dargin
>
> ----------------------------------------------------
> quoting the lfn
>
> LOGOS is a Light Force Network PROFICIENT
> LOGOS is the Owner and CEO of the Light Force Network
> aka Reverend Doctor Loni J. Haas. (and by other names)
>
> ------------------------------------------------------
>
> and SHABDA - Preceptor had this to say:
> SHABDA - Preceptor: "Each individual composes the music of his own life; if he injures another he breaks the harmony and there is discord in the melody of his life." - Hazrat Inayat Khan

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Having a problem with the daily postings in the shoutbox??? It would seem that you do the way you keep copying things from it and posting them here with your opinions....such a shame that no one ever actually asks you for your opinions...oh well, see the John Lennon quote above...

> and dear old retired police officer Darael had this to say:
> DARAEL HIGHBORN...: "He who says, 'I cast no shadow,' is the shadow."

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Another problem you are having??

> and flavour of the moment HOLMES had this to say:
> Holmes: "The more you grasp at control, the faster you lose your grip."

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
You often seem to have a problem with Holmes, not to mention with nabbing his copyrighted original writings....lol

> but the best of the bunch is this one:
>
> Magia: "He who busies himself with things other than improvement of his own self becomes perplexed in darkness and entangled in ruin. His evil spirits immerse him deep in vices and make his bad actions seem handsome." - Ali ibn Abi Talib
>
> Like, how true is that? :-)

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Absolutely true of you! Funny that you pointed this out yourself!

>
>
> ~LFN GUARDIANS~
>
> Darael Highborn
>
> Shabda
>
> Salaam
>
> Orun Aye
>
> Rabbi Ezra Stern
>
> Sáncte Míchael Archángele, defénde nos in proélio, cóntra nequítiam et insídias diáboli ésto præsídium.
>
> Ímperet ílli Déus, súpplices deprecámur: tuque, prínceps milítiæ cæléstis, Sátanam aliósque spíritus malígnos, qui ad perditiónem animárum pervagántur in múndo, divína virtúte, in inférnum detrúde. Ámen.
>
> Synopsis:
> This group is for the LFN Guardians who are unique spiritual warriors and give selfless service to the site by protecting it spiritually and etherically AND for those who desire to support that effort. All spiritual belief systems are accepted.
>
>
> BUT NO MAHANTA, and nothing in alignment with ECKANKAR?

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Says whom? YOU?? LOL as if you would have ANY idea! See the previous John Lennon quote once again, in fact, memorize those words, you will be hearing them frequently!

> The translation from the Latin goes:
> Saint Michael, the Archangel, defend us in battle, be our safeguard against the wickedness and snares of the devil.
>
> May God rebuke him, we humbly pray, and do thou, O prince of the heavenly army, Satan and all evil spirits who wander through the world seeking the ruin of souls, the divine power, and thrust into hell Satan. Amen.
>
> HS: What a bunch of absolute paranoid and delusional garbage that is.

> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
No one has denied you the right to have your own opinions about anything, but please forgive us for not caring any about those....

> OK but what about the "Dream Master/s" of ECKANKAR?
>
> Ms Loni says:
> The Dream Masters are spirits of the Night Realm and the Twilight Recesses of the Collective who guide the nature and necessity of all dreams. They bear no harm to the dreamer. Their intent is to bring realization and release from internal fears which may be blocking the dreamer from success in the hours of wakefulness.

>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Only YOU called them, what was it? '"Dream Master/s" of ECKANKAR?'.....something that YOU made up actually, that particular private group happens to include ECK Masters, but our site, being open to nearly all faiths from around the world, says nothing about limiting this group to ONLY ECK Masters.....again, reiterate that John Lennon quote and apply it heartily to your opinions, and realize that only YOU care about your opinions!

> HS: That doesn't sound like ECKANKAR teachings or coming from SRI Harold Klemp, the LEM and MAHANTA to me.

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So what? You are not someone whose opinion is considered valid in ANY case! LOL I find it quite amusing that you feel so insignificant that you need to constantly try to place yourself in somewhere that has relevance or matters in the slightest! That occurs ONLY in your gang of two! Enjoy it while it lasts!

As for what Eckankar's teachings and Sri Harold Klemp have to do with the site itself....HE knows and is quite well aware! But thank you SO much for your worry and consideration. We will not be accepting your threats as anything but some bellyaching and complaining by a person that we are in no way concerned with. However, we ALL would like to extend the Divine Blessings of the Light and Sound of ECK, in the Name of the SUGMAD, the ECK, and the Mahanta, in whatever way and to whatever degree the ECK chooses!

[Henosis Sage]

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RE: "As for what Eckankar's teachings and Sri Harold Klemp have to do

with the site itself....HE knows and is quite well aware!"

Yeah right! ROTFLMFAO .... oh boy.

[Kinpa]

Exactly right, as you are well aware of...not my problem if you BELIEVE anything otherwise, I suggest that you contact a professional about that...unless you want to write Eckankar yourself of course, but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting if I were you...they know ALL about you and your opinions....let us just wait and see what filters through!

[Henosis Sage]

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Amazing isn't it?

RE: "...they know ALL about you and your opinions...."

Do they now? How nice. I'm famous (infamous) too am I? LOL

I'm still waiting ..... try not to flatter yourself too much Matthew in the meantime.

[Henosis Sage]

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Again KINPA - SRI SHABDA - MATT speaks unmitigated LIES

I reported above that:

on the 7th January 2016 it was:
Group: Eckankar
Group Creator: SHABDA - Preceptor
Members: 31
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/QSZwWAGeH9o/R1JpIZXaBAAJ

KINPA LIES when he calls Me a LIAR yet again here:

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"Unfortunately this is yet another LIE uttered by sean, as he is looking at a
screenshot from 2013 and has NO clue what the membership number is currently,
his putting the date of "2016" is not the same as any actual CURRENT screen
shot (which he is 100% unable to see or get), therefore, nice lie, but NO
cigar....typical"

VIEW THAT PAGE LIVE
http://www.lightforcenetwork.com/group/eckankar

IT STILL STATES CLEARLY TODAY 10th feb 2016 :
Group Creator: SRI SHABDA - Pr...
Members: 31

NOT that one should ever rely on anything said at the LFN site or Matt anywhere.

And THAT 31 does NOT mean they are "eckists" but that out of 1587 "initiates"
or "log-in members" of the site, that 31 of them get updated with any new
posts to the Eckankar "related" blog group that is operated by Matt.

AND THAT IS ALL IT MEANS ..... a handful of people are "subscribed" to get "updates".

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So again with supporting evidence aka as "PROOF" I again state that Matt Sharpe
is a manipulative deceitful duplicitous abusive defaming LIAR and CYBER_STALKER.

As a "teacher/promoter" of "spiritual wisdom/teachings" he is an abject FRAUD.

The entire LFN website is a FRAUD in my humble opinion; a third rate depository
of any and anything materials copied from others, most of whom are nobody hack
writers. It's simply an attempt to be a bunch of control freaks under the
leadership (?) of a LOGOS - Overseer who comes across as more like an officious Concentration Camp Officer, and not some wonderful spiritual guide with a heart
of gold.

But whatever~! People can make their own choices all by themselves.

I DO NOT RECOMMEND THAT WEBSITE FOR ANYTHING TO ANYONE ~!!!

For if Matt Sharpe is an Owner of it, and the biggest contributor to it as stated on the website then that is a default guarantee that it's crap and to
be avoided forever.

THAT'S MY OPINION ... and yeah I will be saying this anywhere and everywhere
I am able to online. People would want to be

[Etznab]

Yes. I see it. Members: 31. Like you said.

Btw, I like the Confucius quotes here

http://www.lightforcenetwork.com/forum/6/six-quotes-confucius-will-have-positive-impact-your-life

but wish they had the native language to accompany them.

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Here is a neat page I found not long ago.

http://www.acmuller.net/con-dao/greatlearning.html

What I find most beneficial about this is the native language and looking at the text in that light. I'm not necessarily endorsing the translations and commentary translations as the best ones available. However, the language and the time period for this piece is interesting.

[Henosis Sage]

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Hi Etznab,

I thought this quote/saying was excellent

[3] 物有本末、事有終始。知所先後則近道矣。

I assume you wouldn't need the english translation. ;-)

It's relevant being a 9 year and all ...

cheers

[Kinpa]

No, there are now 67 ECKist members, is that alright with you two? or we do not have your permission? Or what exactly? Nothing? Oh, that's right....have a great night sean. I and the other happy pagan members must go speak with Lia Tsi! You both have a wonderful night, or day, or midnight sun! But DO be blessed to the greatest extent possibly, but the SUGMAD, who send out ITS everlasting love and blessings, ant the ECK, which does the same, and the Mahanta who wishes you nothing less than Divine Light and Love, with Perfect Health and happiness...have a blessed existence!

[Kinpa]

You interpret everything from the state of consciousness that you inhabit.The language does not matter. If that be the state of consciousness of a nine year old, you have only yourselves to blame...But may you both be content and filled with the blessings of Divine Love, direct from the Godhead!

[Kinpa]

And I STILL do NOT Proselytize! I have NO reason to or need to!

[Henosis Sage]

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RE: "... there are now 67 ECKist members ..."

PROVE IT ... your word is worthless being a proven Liar and serial Cyber-Stalker.

[Kinpa]

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I have no reason to prove to you anything...Not one of them wants to speak you you anyhow....you go ahead and keep crying...you are as much a failure at being a cyber-stalker as you have been at every other endeavor your entire life, but may your darkened heart be blessed by Divine Light and Love, with Perfect Health, in the Name of the SUGMAD, the ECK, and the Mahanta...

[Henosis Sage]

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[Etznab]

Kinpa. have you considered attending some Eckankar events? Singing HU, or something?

How can you write like that (on top of all the other things this past year) and and make it out to be a blessing at the same time?

Who hurt you?