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HE got it all wrong, not me Paul Twitchell, it wasn't that Rama it was this Rama, see?
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Peetee Aitchei
Sep 5, 2014, 12:45:16 AM9/5/14
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September 16, 1971
Paul Twitchell recorded on tape in a "business meeting" on the day he died - via "Difficulties of Becoming the Living ECK Master" published in 1980
Pages 133-139
PT: On the other hand, we've had one problem ever since we've been in this work and that is getting people on the right track to talk about the right things and do the right things. You follow?
It's easier to start them from the beginning and say "Here, do it this way," than it is for them to get it out and then have to come back and repeat, and do everything, and try to straighten it out.
It doesn't work, see? Because the impression is already out there.
Now, a lot of the impressions that I first set out in my first work, I'm having to go back and redo these things and try to correct them.
And I'm like the fellow who felt his way along in a college course and they told him he had to write a book in order to keep in the work, and he didn't know what to say and he had to go, and he had to do something, and when he did, he got it all wrong.
And by getting it all wrong, ten years from there, he had to go back and correct his book and rewrite it, and nobody believed him because they were believing the first impression of what he made.
And this is the position I'm in.
Now, for example, the first Youth Seminar, some man came down from the Detroit Daily News. But he got it all wrong on the philosophy, and everything else, because he viewed Rama, and Rama [ie Ramaj in Eckankar] is not the same Rama on the Hindu Trinity that we're talking about.
But he goes over and gets it out, and I hadn't corrected that, so now I'm in the position of correcting a lot of this. And the only thing I can do, I can't go back and straighten out the writings that way, but I have to make it stronger in other areas now today.
It's coming through-the whole history of ECK is coming through now in The Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad, and this is where all you people are going to be at an advantage because you've been at a disadvantage before.
When somebody asks you about the background of ECKANKAR, you never knew what to say, so now you're going to have the advantage of it.
'Cause with all of that, see, I write books in series. I have four books that are finished now; well, the Shariyat is a continued writing, but I've got three books actually.
In my next series, I'm taking up the MAHANTA and all the history of the MAHANTA back to the beginning, so you people will have something you can go by.
You won't flounder around like this fellow floundered around. He didn't know what to say; nobody told him, and he just took what he thought was being said, see?
I don't like for people to have to go out and do their own research.
[End Quote]
One thing about Paul Twitchell .. he sure can make me luagh some days. At least once the true facts are known and know what's actually going on. Then he cracks me up with stuff like ..... "some man came down from the Detroit Daily News. But he got it all wrong on the philosophy, and everything else"
Newspapermen, hey Paul, they can be such a big pain in the butt when they get their STORIES WRONG .... ahem ahem, cough cough. I really feel for you Paul, NOT!
Please see recent post here: Edouard Schuré -The Great Initiates 1961 aka The Spiritual Notebook by Jacob Paul Twitchell
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/4lrr4m9uKeY
Follow the book link
Go to page 14 see the word RAMA?
Start reading and keep going until to get to page 32
Well there you go. Now can you see how utterly incompetent that newspaper journalist was? No, no! Not the one from the Detroit Daily News, the other "newspaperman".
OK class, now you must come with me on a journey to the temple of golden wisdom, at the Katsupari Monastery in Northern Tibet. Fubbi Quantz is going to give a little talk about this RAMA dude, and you'll need to take down what he says as he dictates it. So bring your pencils .....
Oh, the lucky ones who already have a copy of the SKS Book I, or perhaps don't have the ability to BILOCATE in the Sat Surap to Northern Tibet, then you can have the night off and go read that at home yourself. You'll find what you are looking for on pages 6, 55 and 56 .... off you go now. Do your own HOMEWORK and RESEARCH and stop trusting other people, especially unsuccessful and dyslexic newspapermen unable to spell anyone's name properly or recall what he had said yesterday, to do all the work for you, ok? Be self-responsible.
The Koolaide can kill you, you know that at least, don't you? <smile>
Luckily for Paul, he didn't need to read that 1961 new edition english language book publication by Edouard Schuré written before PT was born , see? Because Fubbi Quantz told him all about RAMA after Rebazar Tarszu took him on a trip to AGam Des to meet Fubbi and Yaubl those well known God-Eater chaps aka *ancient* Vairagi ECK masters who told him all about THIS RAMA, this first world saviour.
Why on earth the journalist didn't sniff out the story himself and go interview RAMA directly via Bilocation anytime between say 8 years old and well 60 years old, is anyone's guess .. or shall we say a Harold Marman Mahanta Rationalization (whenever they can get away with it, ie get away with not being very bright fellows)
Class Dismissed <smile>
Paul Twitchell recorded on tape in a "business meeting" on the day he died - via "Difficulties of Becoming the Living ECK Master" published in 1980
Pages 133-139
PT: On the other hand, we've had one problem ever since we've been in this work and that is getting people on the right track to talk about the right things and do the right things. You follow?
It's easier to start them from the beginning and say "Here, do it this way," than it is for them to get it out and then have to come back and repeat, and do everything, and try to straighten it out.
It doesn't work, see? Because the impression is already out there.
Now, a lot of the impressions that I first set out in my first work, I'm having to go back and redo these things and try to correct them.
And I'm like the fellow who felt his way along in a college course and they told him he had to write a book in order to keep in the work, and he didn't know what to say and he had to go, and he had to do something, and when he did, he got it all wrong.
And by getting it all wrong, ten years from there, he had to go back and correct his book and rewrite it, and nobody believed him because they were believing the first impression of what he made.
And this is the position I'm in.
Now, for example, the first Youth Seminar, some man came down from the Detroit Daily News. But he got it all wrong on the philosophy, and everything else, because he viewed Rama, and Rama [ie Ramaj in Eckankar] is not the same Rama on the Hindu Trinity that we're talking about.
But he goes over and gets it out, and I hadn't corrected that, so now I'm in the position of correcting a lot of this. And the only thing I can do, I can't go back and straighten out the writings that way, but I have to make it stronger in other areas now today.
It's coming through-the whole history of ECK is coming through now in The Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad, and this is where all you people are going to be at an advantage because you've been at a disadvantage before.
When somebody asks you about the background of ECKANKAR, you never knew what to say, so now you're going to have the advantage of it.
'Cause with all of that, see, I write books in series. I have four books that are finished now; well, the Shariyat is a continued writing, but I've got three books actually.
In my next series, I'm taking up the MAHANTA and all the history of the MAHANTA back to the beginning, so you people will have something you can go by.
You won't flounder around like this fellow floundered around. He didn't know what to say; nobody told him, and he just took what he thought was being said, see?
I don't like for people to have to go out and do their own research.
[End Quote]
One thing about Paul Twitchell .. he sure can make me luagh some days. At least once the true facts are known and know what's actually going on. Then he cracks me up with stuff like ..... "some man came down from the Detroit Daily News. But he got it all wrong on the philosophy, and everything else"
Newspapermen, hey Paul, they can be such a big pain in the butt when they get their STORIES WRONG .... ahem ahem, cough cough. I really feel for you Paul, NOT!
Please see recent post here: Edouard Schuré -The Great Initiates 1961 aka The Spiritual Notebook by Jacob Paul Twitchell
https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups=#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/4lrr4m9uKeY
Follow the book link
Go to page 14 see the word RAMA?
Start reading and keep going until to get to page 32
Well there you go. Now can you see how utterly incompetent that newspaper journalist was? No, no! Not the one from the Detroit Daily News, the other "newspaperman".
OK class, now you must come with me on a journey to the temple of golden wisdom, at the Katsupari Monastery in Northern Tibet. Fubbi Quantz is going to give a little talk about this RAMA dude, and you'll need to take down what he says as he dictates it. So bring your pencils .....
Oh, the lucky ones who already have a copy of the SKS Book I, or perhaps don't have the ability to BILOCATE in the Sat Surap to Northern Tibet, then you can have the night off and go read that at home yourself. You'll find what you are looking for on pages 6, 55 and 56 .... off you go now. Do your own HOMEWORK and RESEARCH and stop trusting other people, especially unsuccessful and dyslexic newspapermen unable to spell anyone's name properly or recall what he had said yesterday, to do all the work for you, ok? Be self-responsible.
The Koolaide can kill you, you know that at least, don't you? <smile>
Luckily for Paul, he didn't need to read that 1961 new edition english language book publication by Edouard Schuré written before PT was born , see? Because Fubbi Quantz told him all about RAMA after Rebazar Tarszu took him on a trip to AGam Des to meet Fubbi and Yaubl those well known God-Eater chaps aka *ancient* Vairagi ECK masters who told him all about THIS RAMA, this first world saviour.
Why on earth the journalist didn't sniff out the story himself and go interview RAMA directly via Bilocation anytime between say 8 years old and well 60 years old, is anyone's guess .. or shall we say a Harold Marman Mahanta Rationalization (whenever they can get away with it, ie get away with not being very bright fellows)
Class Dismissed <smile>
Kinpa
Sep 5, 2014, 6:06:50 PM9/5/14
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you're an amusing person :D but you haven't quite got the whole story of things yet....you've missed a considerable amount actually...perhaps you shouldn't point so many fingers...
Peetee Aitchei
Sep 6, 2014, 4:40:51 AM9/6/14
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On Saturday, 6 September 2014 08:06:50 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
> you're an amusing person :D but you haven't quite got the whole story of things yet....you've missed a considerable amount actually...perhaps you shouldn't point so many fingers...
If I have missed something, please feel free to fill me in (and anyone who might read this one day in the future) with the whole story, if you would like to. I'm curious about what you might be referring to. Thanks.
> you're an amusing person :D but you haven't quite got the whole story of things yet....you've missed a considerable amount actually...perhaps you shouldn't point so many fingers...
Peetee Aitchei
Sep 7, 2014, 1:26:43 PM9/7/14
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On Saturday, 6 September 2014 08:06:50 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote:
> you're an amusing person :D but you haven't quite got the whole story of things yet....you've missed a considerable amount actually...perhaps you shouldn't point so many fingers...
Can't figure it out yet, hey. Cat got your tongue? Too hard to explain "the whole story of things yet"? :D
That's because it is quite complicated. First it was a jumbled mess thanks to Paul Twitchell who wasn't competent enough or fit for purpose. After that the 'whole' thing has been further twisted out of shape by (... well makes no difference anymore why, how or who). A waste of time even thinking about laying fault or blame or criticizing others who were as naive and gullible and trusting and "well intentioned" as the next person. The last thing anyone wants to face is accepting they have been repeatedly lied to and misinformed for YEARS by people you trusted and valued.
Yeah, good hearted well meaning and well intentioned people and some people you might know really well Kinpa ...
Matt Sharpe, who on May 11, 2014 at 3:15 pm said:
I've now read nearly half of the (Sukhmani) book, and i must say, quite well done! It is refreshing to see a modern interpretation of this writing that doesn't seek to write off or deny the interpretations that any Chela of Eckankar would easily arrive at. While some choose to use the concept of time to attempt to show the integrity of a truth or teaching, and using the same to dismiss the entirety of Eckankar or any points of view or personal experiences that might be had, any that have an eye for Truth, regardless of whether or not they be a student of Eckankar, can easily see where the truths shown in the Sukhmani, regardless of the interpretations or wordings used in any version, have much in common. It isn't at all dependent on one's religious or spiritual choice so much as it is upon one's ability to read and recognize truthful spiritual concepts, and also the willingness to see the evidence that these exist throughout, regardless of any particular point of view, or limitations of view. While ECKist readers will obviously enjoy and value your efforts, hopefully there will not be any such limitation overall. I think a great many could and shall find value in your interpretations and commentaries. Thank you.
http://spiritualdialogues.com/books/sukhmani-the-secret-of-inner-peace/#comment-261
Shabda on September 24, 2013 at 1:52 pm said:
Hello Doug, i am also one person that bought The Whole Truth 5 or so years ago...has it been out that long? to my memory it was 2007 or so, in any case, i have also been an ARE member for many years, and witnessed a number of your dialogues there with David Lane, as well as many of the posts given in recent years that show further plagiarisms by Paul Twitchell, now, having said that, i also bring the works of Eckankar to a large number of non students, having been one myself for roughly 30 years....i have a site now, run by a friend who has just joined Eckankar, and there are a number of others who have become new students as well, and, at this site we have a considerably large ebook library, showcasing many, if not all spiritual paths, including Eckankar, so, my basic question to you is a very serious one, will you, at any time, be introducing a kindle version of The Whole Truth? in the way that i present Eckankar, i openly include Paul's usage and collections from other writers, and overall, a great many simply do not care in the way many former students who have decided to take the opposite side do, for these folks, plagiarisms are natural, as they are obviously found in nearly every religion on the face of the earth, having been based in, or a reformation of, one religion or another, and so, in displaying the teachings in this way, i am also able to openly use the wisdom of other writers, for example Sufi Murshid Hazrat Inayat Khan, who's writings have an entire chapter on the HU, and who also show a great potential in having been one of Paul's starting points, in the personage of ECK Master Sudar Singh....i will not openly say that such a Master does not at all exist, nor will i say that this name is a redaction to hide Kirpal Singh's involvement with Paul early on, but the spots in his writings that speak of Sudar Singh as having been a sort of Sufi, who at some point began teaching Eckankar, is beyond being able to miss, as Inayat Khan's eldest son is on record saying the very same thing, only without using the name of Eckankar, and instead saying "the path" as opposed to "the Sufi way"....obviously, your own work in The Whole Truth, which shows the different ways that plagiarism has been used and the varying meanings accepted by society at large, plays in this in a very direct fashion (and i DO also use quotes from your book, and give due credit)....so, an ebook version that could be purchased at some point would be a thing I and many others would be willing to pay for, if you happen to be at all considering the idea, and if not, I'd like to suggest it to you so that you might actually consider it, as it would indeed serve a great need that exists in the world of the seeker, and on the internet in general! thank you for your time!
http://spiritualdialogues.com/books/the-whole-truth-the-spiritual-legacy-of-paul-twitchell/#comment-1129
TWT? Just what the world needs, even more distortions and untruths filling people's heads, NOT!
Etznab
Jun 8, 2015, 10:24:15 PM6/8/15
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On Friday, September 5, 2014 at 5:06:50 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> you're an amusing person :D but you haven't quite got the whole story of things yet....you've missed a considerable amount actually...perhaps you shouldn't point so many fingers...
After a nearly two month hiatus Kinpa returned to a.r.e. and made a comment.
> you're an amusing person :D but you haven't quite got the whole story of things yet....you've missed a considerable amount actually...perhaps you shouldn't point so many fingers...
"you're an amusing person :D but you haven't quite got the whole story of things yet....you've missed a considerable amount actually...perhaps you shouldn't point so many fingers..."
"If I have missed something, please feel free to fill me in (and anyone who might read this one day in the future) with the whole story, if you would like to. I'm curious about what you might be referring to. Thanks."
"... its surprising how many people do not care in the least, at this point in time, about Paul Twitchell's plagiarisms, being that every spiritual path on the planet took from previous teachings and then propelled them into further development and evolution....great stuff! ... ."
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!search/authormsg$3Aalt.religion.eckankar$2CdGmOq0EiQR4J$20after$3A2014$2F5$2F1$20before$3A2014$2F6$2F1|sort:date|spell:false/alt.religion.eckankar/A6-M2o6FDeM/6avOAVYTHEsJ
Henosis Sage
Jun 9, 2015, 1:56:13 AM6/9/15
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RE: SEPT 6TH 2014 MATT SHARPE KINPA (resident a.r.e. nutter) SAID
"... but you haven't quite got the whole story of things yet.
...you've missed a considerable amount actually... "
20 MONTHS LATER ... DICK HEAD STILL HASN'T ANSWERED PROVIDED ONE ITEM
HE FALSELY CLAIMED I HAVE MISSED IN THE STORY -- ZIP NADA NUFFIN'
AGAIN A LIAR, RIGHT?
IS THAT WHY HIS WIFE LEFT HIM? MAKING PROMISES HE NEVER EVER KEPT
(shrug)
Kinpa
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Kinpa
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On Tuesday, June 9, 2015 at 5:56:13 AM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:
Etznab
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