Something to consider

[Etznab]

IMO there is a good possibility Paul Twitchell and Eckankar made up many things that were not literally true and that no one (not even members) have to accept any fictions, pseudo history and religion. In fact, I would argue that Eckists are serving Eckankar well to clarify truth about what was made up in the past and what might be made up in the future. That is, if "truth" is a part of Eckankar religion and outright lies are frowned upon.

On the other hand, if a religion (any religion) engages in running a propaganda campaign to the extent of censoring truth and personally attacking those who love the truth I would have to say that practice probably doesn't bode well for any religion in the long run.

There are many tools that can be used today to study and explore the writings and the reported sayings of Eck Masters. And if Paul made up Rebazar Tarzs and others to use them as a literary device then I would vote to let that truth be known. Doug seems to know about it and has admitted as much. And from what Doug has said, a "growing list" was already discovered by Harold Klemp back in the 1980s.

Look at this. How many spin-off groups to Eckankar are there now (there's a post on a.r.e. with links someplace) that all use some of the same Eck Master names and take liberty to change the history at will? Is this all literal truth? Or is this people competing to have the most bells and whistles?

I've seen so many websites with grand claims of here a master, there a master, everywhere a spiritual master. I see the glitzy graphics and drawings and I have to say, So what? I see graphics every day in the cartoon section of the newspaper! And yeah, I really like some of the cartoons, the cartoon characters and the graphics. I wouldn't count on Ziggy, however, to give me an accurate account of world history because he is a graphic on paper and not a real being. Does that mean Ziggy can't meet me in a dream and show me things that are true if that form was used by the subconscious, etc? I think the image could be used and I also think the images of Eck Masters could be used to. It doesn't mean to me, however, that any Eck Masters animated by copied and plagiarized words of other writers were, or are real living beings.

How much text appears identical in these two books?

"[...] One further word of warning must be given here. Even if you see visions inside, beware of them. If you meet individuals -- men, angels, even someone appearing as God or claiming to be God, or any saint -- beware that you are not deceived. If you were a disciple of a real Master, you could not be deceived. You would have a definite and infallible method of testing each vision or appearance to prove if they are genuine as claimed. But if you have not this armament, you are almost sure to be misled. [... .]"

http://www.archive.org/stream/ThePathOfTheMasters/ThePathOfTheMasters_djvu.txt

"[...] A further word of warning has to be given here. Even if the seeker sees visions inside, he must beware of them. If he meets individuals, men, angels, even someone appearing as the Supreme Deity, or claiming to be IT or Jesus or a saint, beware that he is not deceived. If the seeker is a disciple of a real spiritual traveler, he cannot be deceived.

"He would have a definite infallible method of testing each vision, or appearance, to prove if they were genuine, as claimed. But should he not have this armament, he could almost be assured that he was being misled. [... .]"

https://archive.org/stream/farcountry017342mbp/farcountry017342mbp_djvu.txt

So when someone suggests that was the Eck Master Rebazar Tarzs I have to pause and say: Yeah, but there's a greater chance that was Paul Twitchell copying, paraphrasing and plagiarizing a book (something he had quite the history of doing) and making up a pseudo character like a fiction writer might do.

Now does Kinpa, or Rob, or J.R., or anybody have a problem that I wrote this post? Does anything in it disturb them? If so then try to participate in a discussion board and state your views. Become part of a discussion and feel free to join the research.

If, on the other hand, people want to act like trolls and cyber bullies by attacking participants personally then don't be surprised to be ignored.

How many people here have considered the possibility that Rebazar Tarzs and other Eck masters could very well be fictions? Could very well have been fictions from the very beginning? and that people (over half a dozen groups and growing now) have animated them by their imaginations? If this be the case then isn't it a foolish and futile attempt to forego death of an ideal? Isn't it foolish and futile to get angry and imagine other people shitting their pants? Shitting blood? Having fire ants crawl on people's privates? I mean, that is really evidence of a sick and twisted behavior the person who says such things is it not? How about telling people what their Eckankar membership card says when the information said was a lie? These types of actions of attacking people by making up lies is a pathetic attempt of a desperate mind seeking to bargain about, or deny the truth presented to them. It, denial and bargaining (along with anger) are all stages in the death of an ideal. So I think some people just might want to look at the evidence and consider just because Harold Klemp, or the Eckankar organization don't frankly admit any fictions were created it doesn't prove that fictions were not created. Case in point. Go here (as just one example)

"[...] One further word of warning must be given here. Even if you see visions inside, beware of them. If you meet individuals -- men, angels, even someone appearing as God or claiming to be God, or any saint -- beware that you are not deceived. If you were a disciple of a real Master, you could not be deceived. You would have a definite and infallible method of testing each vision or appearance to prove if they are genuine as claimed. But if you have not this armament, you are almost sure to be misled. [... .]"

http://www.archive.org/stream/ThePathOfTheMasters/ThePathOfTheMasters_djvu.txt

"[...] A further word of warning has to be given here. Even if the seeker sees visions inside, he must beware of them. If he meets individuals, men, angels, even someone appearing as the Supreme Deity, or claiming to be IT or Jesus or a saint, beware that he is not deceived. If the seeker is a disciple of a real spiritual traveler, he cannot be deceived.

"He would have a definite infallible method of testing each vision, or appearance, to prove if they were genuine, as claimed. But should he not have this armament, he could almost be assured that he was being misled. [... .]"

https://archive.org/stream/farcountry017342mbp/farcountry017342mbp_djvu.txt


and ask yourself if a 500+-year-old Tibetan Master by the name of Rebazar Tarzs really said those things to Paul Twitchell, or if Paul copied them out of a book (like a past president of Eckankar said he did) because others said it better than he could.

Was "that" Rebazar Tarzs? This is a question I have been asking and offering up for discussion. And if it was Paul copying from library books and not Rebazar Tarzs then what does it prove about "that" (the one portrayed in the book) Rebazar Tarzs?

Stories abound, and I have not invested total belief in all of them, but sometimes it is good to follow leads and see if anything more. For example, when the plagiarism evidence became more widely known: Did people actually go to Gail and ask her about the truth? Did Gail really ever say that Paul made anything up?

I am looking at the real evidence that anybody can see. It doesn't require imagination. All one has to do is look at the similarity of texts and the order of so many paragraphs in the books. This is what I woke up to and saw over a decade ago and I'm not gonna take a back seat to any Eckankar apologists and / or spin meisters not wanting to look at this, but if they act like trolls and cyber bullies I will call them that. Then I'll continue to find and illustrate examples of all these "golden teachings" scattered to the far corners of the earth that Paul Twitchell compiled. The reason is to look at the history and development and to learn about the sources of information. Fictions (IMO) will always remain secondary in this pursuit because fictional characters don't have an opinion and don't have a voice to speak when questioned.

It doesn't take a lot of imagination to realize why a religion would not want to admit ignorance about newly discovered truths if in the process they have to suffer death of an ideal, or death of what so many people were taught to believe in as real. It just plain doesn't look good because people could ask: Why didn't you know about these things? And then why didn't you tell us the plain truth?

I didn't write the Eckankar books. Didn't introduce so many Eck Masters and tell histories about them. neither did I copy, paraphrase and plagiarize New Age writings and animate them by characters said to be hundreds of years old, etc. I didn't do it and I won't take responsibility for doing it. Neither will I try to cover it up because I'm afraid of how things might change. Maybe this is for the better. Change. Who can argue that?

[Kinpa]

On Tuesday, February 9, 2016 at 11:42:44 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> IMO there is a good possibility Paul Twitchell and Eckankar made up many things that were not literally true and that no one (not even members) have to accept any fictions, pseudo history and religion. In fact, I would argue that Eckists are serving Eckankar well to clarify truth about what was made up in the past and what might be made up in the future. That is, if "truth" is a part of Eckankar religion and outright lies are frowned upon.
>
> On the other hand, if a religion (any religion) engages in running a propaganda campaign to the extent of censoring truth and personally attacking those who love the truth I would have to say that practice probably doesn't bode well for any religion in the long run.
>
> There are many tools that can be used today to study and explore the writings and the reported sayings of Eck Masters. And if Paul made up Rebazar Tarzs and others to use them as a literary device then I would vote to let that truth be known. Doug seems to know about it and has admitted as much. And from what Doug has said, a "growing list" was already discovered by Harold Klemp back in the 1980s.
>
> Look at this. How many spin-off groups to Eckankar are there now (there's a post on a.r.e. with links someplace) that all use some of the same Eck Master names and take liberty to change the history at will? Is this all literal truth? Or is this people competing to have the most bells and whistles?
>
> I've seen so many websites with grand claims of here a master, there a master, everywhere a spiritual master. I see the glitzy graphics and drawings and I have to say, So what? I see graphics every day in the cartoon section of the newspaper! And yeah, I really like some of the cartoons, the cartoon characters and the graphics. I wouldn't count on Ziggy, however, to give me an accurate account of world history because he is a graphic on paper and not a real being. Does that mean Ziggy can't meet me in a dream and show me things that are true if that form was used by the subconscious, etc? I think the image could be used and I also think the images of Eck Masters could be used to. It doesn't mean to me, however, that any Eck Masters animated by copied and plagiarized words of other writers were, or are real living beings.
>
> How much text appears identical in these two books?
>
> "[...] One further word of warning must be given here. Even if you see visions inside, beware of them. If you meet individuals -- men, angels, even someone appearing as God or claiming to be God, or any saint -- beware that you are not deceived. If you were a disciple of a real Master, you could not be deceived. You would have a definite and infallible method of testing each vision or appearance to prove if they are genuine as claimed. But if you have not this armament, you are almost sure to be misled. [... .]"
>
> http://www.archive.org/stream/ThePathOfTheMasters/ThePathOfTheMasters_djvu.txt
>
> "[...] A further word of warning has to be given here. Even if the seeker sees visions inside, he must beware of them. If he meets individuals, men, angels, even someone appearing as the Supreme Deity, or claiming to be IT or Jesus or a saint, beware that he is not deceived. If the seeker is a disciple of a real spiritual traveler, he cannot be deceived.
>
> "He would have a definite infallible method of testing each vision, or appearance, to prove if they were genuine, as claimed. But should he not have this armament, he could almost be assured that he was being misled. [... .]"
>
> https://archive.org/stream/farcountry017342mbp/farcountry017342mbp_djvu.txt
>
> So when someone suggests that was the Eck Master Rebazar Tarzs I have to pause and say: Yeah, but there's a greater chance that was Paul Twitchell copying, paraphrasing and plagiarizing a book (something he had quite the history of doing) and making up a pseudo character like a fiction writer might do.
>
> Now does Kinpa, or Rob, or J.R., or anybody have a problem that I wrote this post? Does anything in it disturb them? If so then try to participate in a discussion board and state your views. Become part of a discussion and feel free to join the research.
>
> If, on the other hand, people want to act like trolls and cyber bullies by attacking participants personally then don't be surprised to be ignored.
>
> How many people here have considered the possibility that Rebazar Tarzs and other Eck masters could very well be fictions? Could very well have been fictions from the very beginning? and that people (over half a dozen groups and growing now) have animated them by their imaginations? If this be the case then isn't it a foolish and futile attempt to forego death of an ideal? Isn't it foolish and futile to get angry and imagine other people shitting their pants? Shitting blood? Having fire ants crawl on people's privates? I mean, that is really evidence of a sick and twisted behavior the person who says such things is it not? How about telling people what their Eckankar membership card says when the information said was a lie? These types of actions of attacking people by making up lies is a pathetic attempt of a desperate mind seeking to bargain about, or deny the truth presented to them. It, denial and bargaining (along with anger) are all stages in the death of an ideal. So I think some people just might want to look at the evidence and consider just because Harold Klemp, or the Eckankar organization don't frankly admit any fictions were created it doesn't prove that fictions were not created. Case in point. Go here (as just one example)
>
> "[...] One further word of warning must be given here. Even if you see visions inside, beware of them. If you meet individuals -- men, angels, even someone appearing as God or claiming to be God, or any saint -- beware that you are not deceived. If you were a disciple of a real Master, you could not be deceived. You would have a definite and infallible method of testing each vision or appearance to prove if they are genuine as claimed. But if you have not this armament, you are almost sure to be misled. [... .]"
>
> http://www.archive.org/stream/ThePathOfTheMasters/ThePathOfTheMasters_djvu.txt
>
> "[...] A further word of warning has to be given here. Even if the seeker sees visions inside, he must beware of them. If he meets individuals, men, angels, even someone appearing as the Supreme Deity, or claiming to be IT or Jesus or a saint, beware that he is not deceived. If the seeker is a disciple of a real spiritual traveler, he cannot be deceived.
>
> "He would have a definite infallible method of testing each vision, or appearance, to prove if they were genuine, as claimed. But should he not have this armament, he could almost be assured that he was being misled. [... .]"
>
> https://archive.org/stream/farcountry017342mbp/farcountry017342mbp_djvu.txt
>
>
> and ask yourself if a 500+-year-old Tibetan Master by the name of Rebazar Tarzs really said those things to Paul Twitchell, or if Paul copied them out of a book (like a past president of Eckankar said he did) because others said it better than he could.
>
> Was "that" Rebazar Tarzs? This is a question I have been asking and offering up for discussion. And if it was Paul copying from library books and not Rebazar Tarzs then what does it prove about "that" (the one portrayed in the book) Rebazar Tarzs?

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That proves not even one thing about Rebazar Tarzs. Two separate subjects, you cannot lump them in together and assume one proves the other doesn't exist. Plagiarism doesn't in any way address Rebazar's existence or lack thereof. Simple common sense.

If you CHOOSE to assume the plagiarism proves Rebazar to be fictional, hey fine, but that is only your personal opinion, and is one that has no direct evidence to support it.

> Stories abound, and I have not invested total belief in all of them, but sometimes it is good to follow leads and see if anything more. For example, when the plagiarism evidence became more widely known: Did people actually go to Gail and ask her about the truth? Did Gail really ever say that Paul made anything up?

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Whether you invest belief in a thing or not is a personal matter. Gail has never been on record saying anything about any of it, and no one has ever shown evidence to the contrary.

> I am looking at the real evidence that anybody can see. It doesn't require imagination. All one has to do is look at the similarity of texts and the order of so many paragraphs in the books. This is what I woke up to and saw over a decade ago and I'm not gonna take a back seat to any Eckankar apologists and / or spin meisters not wanting to look at this, but if they act like trolls and cyber bullies I will call them that. Then I'll continue to find and illustrate examples of all these "golden teachings" scattered to the far corners of the earth that Paul Twitchell compiled. The reason is to look at the history and development and to learn about the sources of information. Fictions (IMO) will always remain secondary in this pursuit because fictional characters don't have an opinion and don't have a voice to speak when questioned.

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So what? Are you expecting a medal or something? Illustrate whatever you want to, but be sure to be careful that you aren't simply forming information to fill in what you already believe, because that is simply another fiction that you could very well fill in the spaces with. Not hard to do. Ask any licensed psychologist about that.

> It doesn't take a lot of imagination to realize why a religion would not want to admit ignorance about newly discovered truths if in the process they have to suffer death of an ideal, or death of what so many people were taught to believe in as real. It just plain doesn't look good because people could ask: Why didn't you know about these things? And then why didn't you tell us the plain truth?

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Well that is where any individual that is actually interested HAS to go to the inner and not be lazy about it and demand only PHYSICAL proofs. Yet you seem to be willing to accept ONLY those. Are you less able to go OBE in full consciousness than some others? Sean has claimed here that a very slim few EVER do that consciously, but he has also never had any actual figures to support his conclusions. I think that is likely just his personal belief about the subject. But he is not the most able among humanity. But hey, as you both choose to do right! Have at it! I won't try to stop you!

> I didn't write the Eckankar books. Didn't introduce so many Eck Masters and tell histories about them. neither did I copy, paraphrase and plagiarize New Age writings and animate them by characters said to be hundreds of years old, etc. I didn't do it and I won't take responsibility for doing it. Neither will I try to cover it up because I'm afraid of how things might change. Maybe this is for the better. Change. Who can argue that?

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Do what you want to. It IS your life after all.....btw, I notice that my name and the name of my site has not been mentioned in this thread, and for that reason you will see nothing flagged for abuse here. See how easy that was to accomplish?

[Etznab]

Psychotics and criminals also go to the "inner" and subsequently believe all kinds of things. My point is how it's good to know the difference.

Do you remember Harold writing something about Paul Twitchell, or Eck Masters on a bridge? My impression was he convinced himself that doing a certain act would lead to something else. But those people on the bridge turned out not to be what he thought, and there was nobody to help him out of the river. He nearly drowned. And then with the airport thinking that taking his clothes off would make the clouds go away.

I think you know as well as I that Paul Twitchell wrote about imagination and he spelled out the fact that there is also a negative side. So please don't go and try to paint the "inner" as all peaches and cream. People from religions - including Eckankar - have argued with one another over different experiences on the inner. As Eckists we are taught to check things out and this is what I am doing. I'm not trying to go to a "Happy Place" so I can forget about reality right here on Earth. People can go to the "inner" and see all kinds of things from mind altering drugs. Does that make the visions real and worth following?

There was a book, I wish I could remember the name, that looked at all the stories of evil things and monsters, etc. from a historical perspective showing where the stories came from and how the history was retold to make them into something scary. Practically every scary thing had a reasonable explanation and was not anything evil to begin with. Not when the truth was told. Iow, people made up the stories about evil things by changing the real history. And this is why I think it possible to do the same with religions and the pseudo man-made elements. One can discover how they got there and as a result learn what was there in the beginning. Iow, learn the truth. I think this is a lot more noble venture than going on a personal head trip and joining one of numerous galactic federations strewn all over cyberspace, etc.

Btw, "inner experiences" and "spiritual exercises" are what led me to the discoveries of plagiarisms and information not in the books. I went out and found information. (I didn't imagine it.) And I was able to confirm the findings and know that the guidance was correct because it brought results. So did Sean. In fact, there were numerous times when Sean and I received the same information even before we talked about it! Iow, we had inner communications not once, but several times and there was proof on numerous occasions when we wrote about the same things in emails even before sharing them with each other.

Those defamations by you and Rob about other people's inner experiences and not having any are (IMHO) but more of your telling immaturity & inferiority complex when faced with someone else who knows more than you.

[Kinpa]

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Again, your OPINION is noted. I have absolutely NO problem discerning the difference between:

"Psychotics and criminals also go to the "inner" and subsequently believe all kinds of things. My point is how it's good to know the difference."

However, claiming that you and sean know more than I do is not only plainly false, but is a thing you can't possibly know. Therefore it is simple imagination. I can go within at will and check on you, and see exactly what you know. Whatever I might say about that is not a thing you HAVE ti agree to, but your claiming it a lie is not going to stop me from saying it.

Personally, I don't think you have the experience to know WHAT was inwardly communicating with you....feel free to have a different opinion, but hey, ANYTIME you would like to go before a higher authority with me on the matter, say so! That can easily be done!

Otherwise, you have a differing opinion. It is valuable to you, but doesn't have to be to me. That is how free will operates. Like it or lump it, it remains just the same either way....

As far as "immaturity & inferiority complex" that is just another opinion. You are welcome to it, BUT, it does not actually exist in the physical world. So run along and notify someone if you want to. I will take care of my end of things. I think that you are unprepared to deal with anyone that actually knows even half of what I know. So what? No one really cares. Stop whining. Man up and grow a thicker skin, or file a suit if you feel you can. Just don't believe your buddy when he claims to have done anything, because he is lying to your face. But hey, that is YOUR business isn't it? I am NOT in any way worried in the slightest.

[Henosis Sage]

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RE: "Gail has never been on record saying anything about any of it, and no

one has ever shown evidence to the contrary."

That's a LIE, aka total bullshit.

Denial and ignorance doesn't make the truth go away.

RE: " and for that reason you will see nothing flagged for abuse here.

That's a LIE too. (shrug)

[Henosis Sage]

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RE: "I can go within at will and check on you, and see exactly what you know."

That's another LIE.

By a deranged psychotic mentally disturbed individual.

[Etznab]

You've been caught Kinpa. Somebody caught you and that is what you don't like isn't it? You can't go on talking smack now because there is a record. A very long record of it.

In the future when you try this stuff on the wrong person and if they file a suit the same person(s) can look back here and see a pattern of behavior by you. It is as clear as day how rude and utterly disrespectful you have been. Nobody did it to you, but you did it yourself. I tried to help you see it. Tried explaining things to you many times and in a number of different ways and now you are caught in your own trap. Iow, you caught yourself. Caught in your own karmic trap.

A little humility might help you out. May The Blessing Be!

[Kinpa]

Yes, that all changed with YOU! Being flagged! Not able to shut your yap are you?

[Kinpa]

Try a bit yourself! I am hardly caught, a thing you both are unwilling to admit, but that will become ever more self-evident! You richard WILL go down with sean...you BOTH chose your karma, so please DO enjoy that! I shall enjoy watching it!

[Kinpa]

Oh and by the way...no one is even looking at your "record"....must be a tremendous disappointment for you....oh well...no problemo for me either way...

[Henosis Sage]

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You're a deranged nut case who needs to be taken off the streets, removed from the internet, and then locked up for the safety of society and the protection of your own children, family, 'associates', ECKists, and your ex-wives.

Yes Matthew, you are insane. Your delusional crap about remote viewing and the lunacy of being able to know what others think or know or do is proof enough
how totally off the rails you are mentally.

This started long before the Voodoo practitioners and the Shamans found you.

You're a psychic vampire who sucks the life force out of the living. Anyone
who has ever been close to you knows this and avoids you like the plague.

You're a user and an abuser. And a pathetic misogynist of the worse kind.

You're an utter disgrace to Eckankar and what it represents, and to everyone
who has ever gained some value from it.....

[Henosis Sage]

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LIAR

Cannot stop himself, has absolutely no self-control and in serious need of
intervention.


You're a LIAR a USER and an ABUSER 24/7 .... this one is for Tiffany you sick evil fcuk!

[Etznab]

3. Psychic Space and the Law of Non-Interference © 2014 - Matt Sharpe

ENJOY .... ;-)

One thing that can often make for problematic situations amongst groups of people is the idea of, or lack of, recognized psychic space by which is meant the emotional and varying mental aspects of space, both on the inner planes and relating states of consciousness, as well as the inner states of every human being in the Physical Realm. The boundaries of these are often not recognized or shared between any group in particular, and that only becomes harder between different groups of people, one often refusing to respect the space and freedom of choice, as well as the basic right to make a choice of any other. In Eckankar we refer to this as the Law of Non-Interference, which states " Anyone who uses any means of change or influence on another's mind, including prayer, is violating a law of spiritual consciousness." *
A person's space is no different than a home owned by one, no one can enter it unless first invited or allowed by the owner, and any who enter under any other circumstance, is a criminal. And this works to the same extent in reverse. It can be said that a person's space extends right out to the point where another's begins. Any individual who is minding their own business, and is not stepping out into another's, may do as they see fit, so long as it harms no other. A situation where a person wants another to do a thing that they have said no to, who then proceeds to attempt to talk the person into doing that thing, is quite literally attempting mind control. There are no exceptions within that framework. Not many would recognize such a simple, everyday situation such as that as being an attempt at mind control until it is done to themselves, where it suddenly becomes far more obvious.
One who has perceptive "gifts", that can perceive more deeply than the average person must also be very careful not to invade another's space without first gaining permission. While they might well have a flow of information incoming that can be turned off, also if one hasn't yet learned how to do that, the very least they can do is be respectful and remain silent. Not everything that comes in necessarily needs to be said aloud. This is often a matter of self-control, and if one says something that causes a disturbance, they may find themselves rightfully to blame for that.
In any such case where one's psychic space has been invaded, there will always be a karmic debt incurred. This is simply another way of saying that that individual that used the invasive behavior has chosen to learn the principles of the lesson in a harder way, one that is generally referred to as "bad" karma. When this happens, the individual themselves have made and are responsible for, the choice that brought the karma into being. Because of this, they and they alone can re-balance the scales, and in every case, the way this occurs is by completing the cycle of karma and learning the lesson, also putting into being a more evolved choice which proves the lesson has indeed been learned. Thenceforth the individual can recognize the same circumstances in a great many situations and have better options to deal with them and by doing that, avoid a cycle of repeating the same mistakes.
Where the psychic space of others and the Law of Non-Interference are concerned, the Golden Rule definitely applies: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." And after applying the Law of Karma to it, one might add to the quote: "Because they WILL!" Those that consistently indulge themselves in following a double standard will undoubtedly find that karmic law is very detailed and accurate. It cannot be dodged or outrun, and it never falls victim to trickery and cannot be deceived.
A thing as simple as talking someone into something, is nothing less than an attempt at mind control as well as an invasion of another's space that might not seem so obvious at first glance. The fact that a person needs to be talked into a thing denotes that they are not willing to engage in it to begin with, and thus, an attempt to change that person's decision is invasive. Many have no idea of this fact. It is no different when a child seeks to talk a parent into giving them a liberty they might otherwise not have available to them, however, in such a case generally no grudge is held and rightly so, however, after a certain age, such things will most often no longer be tolerated. It lasts as long as does that child's cuteness, and is outgrown quickly.
One aspect of "space" in general that isn't often considered at all is whether or not a person is extending their own space outward to include things they would rather not include or be affected by. Often this can be causing a reaction unconsciously for one. A thing one had never thought of as having any effect on them can be having an unknown effect that isn't so easily recognized by all. It pays to become aware of all of the things one's attention is extended to include. Some of the time problems can actually be drawn towards ourselves by ourselves acting in an unconscious way. What I mean is that we don't always realize the true effect a thing might have upon us, so that we continue onward never realizing that a thing we have extended our attention in some way out to include might have a negative effect upon us, and the only way to remove that is to become aware of it, and removing our attention and thus our state of consciousness away from it, and in this way becoming better aware of the true effect a thing can have in this way, so that we can look out for this happening again. For example, one might think something not so nice or considerate about a friend, based on a prejudicial attitude one some aspect of that person's life, one which is completely within their rights to have. By not having been aware of in the first place, our mistake in judgment, and in the second place, the effect of said judgment, we can bring negativity into our purview that we would rather not have to deal with.
In this case a more honest and complete view of the self is needed, as well as the development of a less judgmental view of others and the choices some might make. Nothing less than adapting in this way will begin chipping away at the formation of a less than advantageous point of view of others. It is generally not a terrible way of looking at a situation, by placing ourselves in that other's position so as to gain a notion of what it would be like were positions reversed. This can go far for developing degrees of consideration that may not have been so easily come by before then.
The idea of psychic space is on one hand a very familiar concept to some, but on the other hand, almost unheard or thought of by many others, and because of this the rules regarding it are often unclear to many. Healing of any sort is a thing that falls very much within the area of an individual's space, and stands at risk to be possibly invaded by those unaware of the limits of their own free will, which are of course up to the point at which another's space begins. Any average doctor would never begin medical treatment until any potential patient came to them willingly, seeking medical help. This obvious situation is many times much less obvious in the area of psychic or spiritual healers, and most often this is the specific area where invasions occur.
This area shares a considerable amount with various religious groups that proselytize. If one hasn't actually asked or expressed interest in the "help" it simply cannot be given to a person, especially under the guise of doing a thing deemed (by another) to be for their own best interests. A happy Muslim isn't likely to enjoy having Jehova's Witnesses coming to their door weekly attempting to "save" them by convincing them to change their religion. In the very same way any healer will find it not only impossible to heal a person that hasn't yet asked to be healed, but also that if they go forward uninvited with such an action, there will be a heavy karmic burden to bear. These things, regardless of motivation, break spiritual law and bear a karmic price.
And on the positive side of this, if a person is unwell and asks for a healing, or for further infprmation on a different spiritual path than the one they had been on, an interested person can certainly offer aid and information that they might have the capacity to perform. And the very same standard applies to inner spiritual teachings, one who considers themselves, or is considered by others to be a teacher, and who actually has the ability to channel spiritual teachings and experience to a student, cannot ever do so without first asking permission, or being invited to do so, this is a part of the Law of Non-Interference, the same law governs all three of those various but similar circumstances.

* ECKANKAR - The Key to Secret Worlds - Paul Twitchell, p.219

https://groups.google.com/d/msg/alt.religion.eckankar/NFmNRLml87s/zjYjsPT2BAAJ

Keyword search "psychic space"

Btw. Nice quote, Rebazar Tarzs.

"It is better to give than to receive."

And Jesus reportedly said something similar over a thousand years earlier.

http://www.vielewelten.at/pdf_en/eckanar%20the%20key%20to%20secret%20worlds.pdf

http://www.angelfire.com/hi2/eckankarsurvivors/data.html

[Kinpa]

And now poor etznab is feeling so desperate that he had to repost my writing! This just gets funnier and funnier by the day! Keep going you two! Plagiarising words and placing them in Rebazar Tarzs' mouth does not, in any way, prove that he does not, and never did exist. It doesn't even address that particular subject.

Thanks for illegally posting my work again richie! Remember doing that when karma comes to call, and she WILL! I feel I ought to mention however, that you have an incomplete copy there...

[Kinpa]

[Henosis Sage]

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On the late shift today Matt? :-)

RE: "Thanks for illegally posting my work again richie! Remember doing that

when karma comes to call, and she WILL! I feel I ought to mention however,
that you have an incomplete copy there..."

Again the LIAR crawls out from under his rock to talk *shit* on a.r.e..

Incomplete? Ya reckon?

Quoting:

This in its entirety is and remains the property of the author and Light Force Network Publishing ®. No copies can be made or posted at any other location without first obtaining written permission. Note that a link to this site and original article does not imply permission granted.
SHABDA - Preceptor's blog

http://www.lightforcenetwork.com/shabda-preceptor/3-psychic-space-and-law-non-interference-%C2%A9-2014-matt-sharpe

Karma is a knocking at your door Matt and is about ready to knock it off it's hinges.

Now what?

[Henosis Sage]

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http://www.lightforcenetwork.com/sites/default/files/styles/large/public/website_under_maintenance_0.png

Oh really? How nice.

[Kinpa]

Wrong yet again....karma has been knocking at YOUR door, and you are unable to recognize it.....watch and wait, I promise that this one WILL be good! Have a great day, and may your black heart be blessed by Divine Light and Love, with Perfect Health, in the Name of the SUGMAD, the ECK, and the Mahanta!

You still owe pretty heavily for Quoc too btw...

[Kinpa]

Aww look, someone got mad! I guess we ought to have asked his permission first....funny thing about that member number too, it went and grew! Have a wonderful day and night sean...

[Henosis Sage]

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RE: "....watch and wait, I promise that this one WILL be good! "

Still waiting!

RE: "You still owe pretty heavily for Quoc too btw... "

This should be good. How so I owe???


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[Henosis Sage]

RE: "....funny thing about that member number too,"

Any webmaster can place ANY info on their website.

The SOP is:

"Don't believe everything you see or have been told on the internet is true."

(shrug)

Feel free to PROVE IT anytime you wish you proven LYING creep.

[Kinpa]

https://youtu.be/1GGCfjWmgrQ

[Henosis Sage]

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Well you did ask for it Matt - and you got it by the dump truck ever since.

(shrug)