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Satguru or Sadguru (Sanskrit: ??????) means true guru. The term
distinguishes itself from other forms of gurus, such as musical instructors,
scriptural teachers, parents, and so on. The satguru is a title given
specifically only to an enlightened rishi/sant whose life's purpose is to
guide initiated shishya along the spiritual path, the summation of which is
the realization of the Self through realization of the God.

Ancient and traditional sources
The recommendation says that the first and the foremost qualification of the
True Master (Satguru) is that he must have known the True Lord (God)
himself. [1]

In one of Kabir's songs[2] the satguru is described as the real sadhu:

"He is the real Sadhu, who can reveal the form of the Formless to the
vision of these eyes; Who teaches the simple way of attaining Him, that is
other than rites or ceremonies; Who does not make you close the doors, and
hold the breath, and renounce the world; Who makes you perceive the Supreme
Spirit wherever the mind attaches itself; Who teaches you to be still in the
midst of all your activities. Ever immersed in bliss, having no fear in his
mind, he keeps the spirit of union in the midst of all enjoyments. The
infinite dwelling of the Infinite Being is everywhere: in earth, water, sky,
and air; Firm as the thunderbolt, the seat of the seeker is established
above the void. He who is within is without: I see Him and none else."[3]

Vashishta, Lord Rama's Guru was the satguru in Treta yuga. Swami Shankar
Purushottam Tirtha quotes Yoga Vasistha:

"A real preceptor is one who can produce blissful sensation in the body of
the disciple by their sight, touch, or instructions."[4]

According to Satguru Sivaya Subramuniyaswami, a Hindu satguru is always a
sannyasin, an unmarried renunciate.[5]

However, not all writers include this stricture.[6] For instance, "Tukaram,
a Hindu satguru, is known to have had a family. Moinuddin Chishti also had
children. The satguru Kabir had a son, Kamal, who was very devout." [7]

Other usages
a.. In Sikhism, Satguru symbolizes a mediator and directs one toward God.
b.. In path to self-realization, Satguru is the one who initiates
followers into the path.
c.. In Sant Mat and Advait Mat the living Satguru is considered the path
to God-realization[8].
[edit]Analogous concepts
a.. The Sufi concept of the Qutub (literally, pole, tower, lighthouse)
could be viewed as analogous to the satguru. The Qutub is the shaykh who
provides a focus for spiritual teachings.[9] Other terms include Pir and
Sarkar.
b.. Jacques Vigne, in his book Indian Wisdom, Modern Psychology and
Christianity asserts that John the Baptist might be looked upon as someone
very much like a satguru.[10]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satguru

Kabir (also Kabira) (Hindi: ????, Punjabi: ????, Urdu: ????? (1440-1518)[1]
was a mysticcomposer and saint of India, whose literature has greatly
influenced the Bhakti movement of India.[2]
Kabir was raised by childless weavers named Niru and Nimma (it is disputed
whether they were Muslim or Hindu), who found him near Lahara Tara Lake,
adjacent to the holy city of Varanasi.[3] But his birth is surrounded by
legends. The most popular belief is that being the supreme power, he
appeared in form of a baby. He was never "born" as such.

He was a Bhakti saint, who sang the ideals of seeing all of humanity as one,
his name, Kabir, is often interpreted as Guru's Grace. He kept himself away
from the fundamentalism of all the religions and explained the root
philosophies of spirituality.

A weaver by profession, Kabir ranks among the world's greatest poets. In
India, he is perhaps the most quoted author. The holy book of the Sikhs the
Guru Granth Sahib contains over 500 verses by Kabir. The Sikh community
refers to Kabir as a Bhagat, while others who hold the Granth in high
reverence call him a Guru.

Kabir openly criticized all sects and gave a new direction to Indian
philosophy. This is due to his straight forward approach that has a
universal appeal. It is for this reason that Kabir is held in high esteem
all over the world. To call Kabir a universal Guru is not an exaggeration.

He is also considered one of the early northern India Sants. One source for
modern adaptations of Kabir's poetry is Robert Bly's The Kabir Book:
Forty-Four of the Ecstatic Poems of Kabir.


Kabir is associated with the Sant Mat, a loosely related group of teachers
(Sanskrit: Guru) that assumed prominence in the northern part of the Indian
sub-continent from about the 13th century.

Their teachings are distinguished theologically by inward loving devotion to
a divine principle, and socially by an egalitarianism opposed to the
qualitative distinctions of the Hindu caste hierarchy and to the religious
differences betweenHindu and Muslim.[4] The sants were not homogeneous,
consisting mostly of these sants' presentation of socio-religious attitudes
based onbhakti (devotion) as described earlier in the Bhagavad Gita.[5]
Sharing as few conventions with each other as with the followers of the
traditions they challenged, the sants appear more as a diverse collection of
spiritual personalities than a specific religious tradition, although they
acknowledged a common spiritual root.[6]

The first generation of north Indian sants, (which included Kabir), appeared
in the region of Benares in the mid 15th century. Preceding them were two
notable 13th and 14th century figures, Namdev and Ramananda. The latter, a
Vaishnava ascetic, initiated Kabir, Ravidas, and other sants, according to
tradition. Ramananda's story is told differently by his lineage of
"Ramanandi" monks, by other Sants preceding him, and later by the Guru Nanak
and subsequent Sikh Gurus. What is known is that Ramananda accepted students
of all castes, a fact that was contested by the orthodox Hindus of that
time, and that his students formed the first generation of Sants.[7]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagat_Kabir

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Sikhism was established by Guru Nanak and nine other Sikh Gurus over the
period of 1469 to 1708. Most of the Gurus were born in Northern India,
although they traveled extensively from as far west as Iraq to Assam in the
east and Sri Lanka in the south. Guru Nanak, the first Guru was born in
modern day Pakistan, and Guru Gobind Singh, the tenth Guru was born in
Patna, Bihar in modern day India. Before his death, Guru Gobind Singh
nominated theSikh holy scripture, the Guru Granth Sahib as the final and
eternal Guru of Sikhism. All Sikhs are required to follow the teachings of
the Gurus, which upon meditation leads to salvation. The Gurus are
considered as a path to reach union with God.

The followers of Sikhism hold the number of Gurus to be Ten, beginning from
Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji and continuing till Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji. The
successor to the ten Gurus of Sikhism is Guru Granth Sahib, who is the
eternal Guru of Sikhs. The Sikhs revere Guru Granth Sahib in the same manner
in which they revere their Ten Gurus.

The Sikhs do not bow or pay homage to any mortal, and consider Guru Granth
Sahib as reflection of their Ten Gurus. The teachings and words of the Sikh
Gurus are recorded in Guru Granth Sahib, which are without any alteration
and appear as they were uttered.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/26/Guru_family_Tree.jpg

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikh_Gurus

Guru Nanak Dev was born on 15th April 1469[2][3], now celebrated as Prakash
Divas of Guru Nanak, into the BediKshatriya family (a prominent Hindu
community of Punjab),[4] in the village of Rai Bhoi di Talwandi, now
calledNankana Sahib, near Lahore, Pakistan.[5] Today, his birthplace is
marked by Gurdwara Janam Asthan. His father, Mehta Kalyan Das Bedi,
popularly shortened to Mehta Kalu[6], was the patwari (accountant) of crop
revenue for the village of Talwandi in the employment of a Muslim landlord
of that area, Rai Bular Bhatti [7]. Guru Nanak's mother was Tripta Devi and
he had one elder sister, Bebe Nanaki.

The earliest biographical sources on the life of Guru Nanak recognized today
are the Janamsakhis (life accounts) and the vars (expounding verses) of the
scribeBhai Gurdas. The most popular Janamsakhi are written by a close
companion of the Guru, Bhai Bala.

Bhai Gurdas, a purported scribe of the Guru Granth, also wrote about Guru
Nanak's life in his vars.

Although these too were compiled some time after Guru Nanak's time, they are
less detailed than the Janamsakhis. The Janamsakhis recount in minute detail
the circumstances of the birth of the guru.

The Janamsakhis state that at his birth an astrologer, who came to write his
horoscope, insisted on seeing the child. On seeing the infant, he is said to
have worshipped him with clasped hands and remarked that "I regret that I
shall never live to see young Guru Nanak as an adult."

At the age of five years Guru Nanak is said to have voiced interest in
divine subjects. At age seven, his father, Mehta Kalu, enrolled him at the
village school as was the custom.[8] Notable lore recounts that as a child
Guru Nanak astonished his teacher by describing the implicit symbolism of
the first letter of the alphabet, which is an almost straight stroke in
Persian or Arabic, resembling the mathematical version of one, as denoting
the unity or oneness ofGod[9].

Other childhood accounts refer to strange and miraculous events about Guru
Nanak witnessed by Rai Bular such as a poisonous cobra being seen to shield
the sleeping child's head from the harsh sunlight.

Foundation of Sikhism and travels
Rai Bular Bhatti, the local landlord and Guru Nanak's sister Bibi Nanaki
were the first people who recognised divine qualities in Guru Nanak. They
encouraged and supported Guru Nanak to study and travel. Sikh tradition
states that around c. 1499, at the age of thirty, Guru Nanak went missing
and was presumed to have drowned after going for one of his morning baths to
a local stream called the Kali Bein.

One day, he declared: "There is no Hindu, there is no Muslim" (in Punjabi,
"na koi hindu na koi musalman").[10][11] It was from this moment that Guru
Nanak would begin to spread the teachings of what was then the beginning of
Sikhism.

Although the exact account of his itinerary is disputed, he is widely
acknowledged to have made four major journeys, spanning thousands of
kilometres, the first tour being east towards Bengal and Assam, the second
south towards Tamil Nadu, the third north towards Kashmir,Ladakh, and Tibet,
and the final tour west towards Baghdad, Mecca and Medina on the Arabian
Peninsula.[12].

At Mecca, Guru Nanak was found sleeping with his feet towards the Kaaba[13]
Kazi Rukan-ud-din, who observed this, angrily objected. Guru Nanak replied
with a request to turn his feet in a direction in which God or the House of
God is not. The Qadi understood the meaning of what the Guru was saying "God
is everywhere".[14] The Qadi was struck with wonder. He then recognised the
glory of Guru Nanak[15].

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guru_Nanak_Dev

KABIR cont'''
Kabir was influenced by prevailing religious mood such as old Brahmanic
Hinduism, Hindu and Buddhist Tantrism, teachings of Nath yogis and the
personal devotionalism from South India mixed with imageless God of
Islam.[8] The influence of these various doctrines is clearly evident in
Kabir's verses. Eminent Historians like R.C.Mazumbar, P.N. Chopra, B.N.Puri
and M.N. Das, etc have held that Kabir is the first Indian Saint to have
harmonised Hinduism and Islam by preaching a universal path which both
Hindus and Muslims could tread together[9] . But there are a few critics who
contest such claims.[8]

The basic religious principles he espoused are simple. According to Kabir,
all life is an interplay of two spiritual principles. One is the personal
soul (Jivatma) and the other is God (Paramatma). It is Kabir's view that
salvation is the process of bringing into union these two divine principles.
The social and practical manifestation of Kabir's philosophy has rung
through the ages.[10]. Despite legend that claims Kabir met with Guru Nanak,
their lifespans do not overlap in time.[11] The presence of much of his
verse in Sikh scripture and the fact that Kabir was a predecessor of Nanak
has led some western scholars to mistakenly describe him as a forerunner of
Sikhism.[11]

His greatest work is the Bijak (the "Seedling"), an idea of the fundamental
one. This collection of poems demonstrates Kabir's own universal view of
spirituality.

His vocabulary is replete with ideas regarding Brahman and Hindu ideas of
karma and reincarnation. His Hindi was avernacular, straightforward kind,
much like his philosophies. He often advocated leaving aside the Qur'an and
Vedas and to simply follow Sahajapath, or the Simple/Natural Way to oneness
in God.

He believed in the Vedantic concept of atman, but unlike earlier orthodox
Vedantins, he followed this philosophy to its logical end by spurning the
Hindu societal caste system and worship of murti, showing clear belief in
both bhaktiand sufi ideas.

The major part of Kabir's work as a bhagat was collected by the fifth Sikh
guru, Guru Arjan Dev, and forms a part of the Sikhscripture Guru Granth
Sahib.

While many ideas reign as to who his living influences were, the only Guru
of whom he ever spoke was Satguru. Kabir never made a mention of any human
guru in his life or verses, the only reference found in his verses is of God
as Satguru.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bhagat_Kabir

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Talwandi is said to have been originally built by a Hindu king called Raja
Vairat. It was sacked and destroyed by fire and crowbar. The Punjab was
parcelled out to Muslim warrior chiefs in exchange for peace by the
sovereigns of Delhi (Delhi Sultanate). One of these chiefs was Rai Bhoi
Bhatti, a Muslim of the Bhatti Rajput tribe. Rai Bhoi along with his son
salvaged Talwandi and restored it and built a fort on the summit of the
tumulus, in which he lived the secure and happy ruler of his estate with
several thousand acres of cultivated land, and a boundless wilderness.
Nankana was subsequently known then as Rai-Bhoi-Di-Talwandi (or Rai Bhoi's
Talwandi). After Rai Bhoi's death, his heritage descended to his only son
Rai Bular Bhatti, who governed the land and town at the birth and during the
youth of Nanak.

During Rai Bular's rule, Talwandi did not share the tumults and excitements
of the outer political world. Rai Bular was a 'gentle giant', towering in
stature, but quiet and solitary. Talwandi became a reflection of his
personality. It was a quiet place for the training of a prophet or religious
teacher who was to lead his countrymen to the sacred path of truth, and
disenthral their minds from the superstitions of ages.

In this retreat was born Guru Nanak, the founder of the Sikh religion. His
birth took place on the third day of the light half of the month of Baisakh
(April-May) in the year 1526 of the Vikramaditya era, corresponding to A.D.
1469.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nankana_Sahib

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Merging the Soul With Eternal Reality

A simple step was taken in colonial India over a century and half ago in the
city of eternal love, the abode of the Taj Mahal, Agra. The man who took
that step was Swami Shiv Dayal Singh Ji Maharaj, and today that one step has
emerged into one of the largest spiritual movements in the world known as
the Radhasoami Satsang, with a following of over two million people
world-wide.


Jaimal Singh, another of Soamiji's disciples, established his satsang on the
banks of the river Beas in undivided Punjab. And today this satsang is the
most famous of the Radhasoami satsangs across the world. In fact, its
followers number more than the followers of the rest of the satsangs put
together.

http://www.sikh-heritage.co.uk/movements/radhasoamis/The%20radhasoamis.htm

Beas is a small town in the Amritsar District of Punjab state of India,
located between the cities of Amritsar (42 km) and Jalandhar (35 km) along
the banks of the Beas River on National Highway 1.

Five miles to the east, there is a small town called 'Dera Baba Jaimal
Singh' PIN (ZIP)143204, originally founded by the spiritual mystic, Baba
Jaimal Singh, as his 'dera' or farm house, and who knew it was going to
grow. It is today, as then, the headquarters of Radha Soami Satsang Beas, a
spiritual group with a considerable following among Hindus and Sikhs,
especially of Northern India, as well as by many people around the globe.

Every year, millions of Radha Soami followers travel to Beas to attend
satsangs (discourses) often held at the Dera for weeks at a time. The
number of sangat (devotees) present on these days reaches several hundred
thousands on the days of the Satsangs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beas,_Punjab

Welcome to the Beas google satellite map! This place is situated in
Amritsar, Punjab, India, its geographical coordinates are 31� 31' 0" North,
75� 18' 16" East and its original name (with diacritics) is Beas. See Beas
photos and images from satellite below,

http://www.maplandia.com/india/punjab/amritsar/beas/

The Indus region, which covers a considerable amount of Pakistan, was the
site of several ancient cultures including the Neolithic era Mehrgarh and
the Bronze era Indus Valley Civilisation (2500 BCE - 1500 BCE) at Harappa
and Mohenjo-Daro.[22]

Waves of conquerors and migrants from the west-including Harappan,
Indo-Aryan, Persian, Greek, Saka, Parthian,Kushan, Hephthalite, Afghan,
Arab, Turkics and Mughal-settled in the region through out the centuries,
influencing the locals and being absorbed among them.[23] Ancient empires of
the east-such as the Nandas, Mauryas, Sungas, Guptas, and the
Palas-ruled these territories at different times from Patliputra.

However, in the medieval period, while the eastern provinces of Punjab and
Sindh grew aligned with Indo-Islamic civilisation, the western areas became
culturally allied with the Iranian civilisation of Afghanistan and Iran.[24]

The region served as crossroads of historic trade routes, including the Silk
Road, and as a maritime entreport for the coastal trade between Mesopotamia
and beyond up to Rome in the west and Malabar and beyond up to China in the
east.

Successive ancient empires and kingdoms ruled the region: the Achaemenid
Persian empire[25] around 543 BCE, Greek empire founded by Alexander the
Great[26] in 326 BCE and the Mauryan empire there after.

The Indo-Greek Kingdom founded by Demetrius of Bactria included Gandhara
and Punjabfrom 184 BCE, and reached its greatest extent under Menander,
establishing the Greco-Buddhist period with advances in trade and culture.

The city of Taxila (Takshashila) became a major centre of learning in
ancient times-the remains of the city, located to the west of Islamabad, are
one of the country's major archaeological sites. The Rai Dynasty (c.489-632)
of Sindh, at its zenith, ruled this region and the surrounding territories.

In 712 CE, the Arab general Muhammad bin Qasim[27] conquered Sindh and
Multan in southern Punjab. The Pakistan government's official chronology
states that "its foundation was laid" as a result of this conquest.[28]This
Arab and Islamic victory would set the stage for several successive Muslim
empires in South Asia, including the Ghaznavid Empire, theGhorid Kingdom,
the Delhi Sultanate and the Mughal Empire.

During this period, Sufi missionaries played a pivotal role in converting a
majority of the regional Buddhist and Hindu population to Islam.

The gradual decline of the Mughal Empire in the early eighteenth century
provided opportunities for theAfghans, Balochis and Sikhs to exercise
control over large areas until the British East India Company[29]gained
ascendancy over South Asia.

The Indian Rebellion of 1857, also known as the Indian Mutiny, was the
region's last major armed struggle against the British Raj, and it laid the
foundations for the generally unarmed freedom struggle led by the Indian
National Congress in the twentieth century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pakistan

hindu kush region
The mountains of the Hindu Kush system diminish in height as they stretch
westward: toward the middle, near Kabul, they extend from 4,500 to 6,000
meters (14,700 feet to 19,100 feet); in the west, they attain heights of
3,500 to 4,000 meters (11,500 feet to 13,000 feet). The average altitude of
the Hindu Kush is 4,500 meters (14,700 feet). The Hindu Kush system
stretches about 966 kilometres (600 miles) laterally, and its median
north-south measurement is about 240 kilometres (150 miles). Only about 600
kilometres (370 miles) of the Hindu Kush system is called the Hindu Kush
mountains.

The Hindu Kush is a mountain range stretching between north-western Pakistan
and eastern and central Afghanistan. The highest point in the Hindu Kush is
Tirich Mir (7,708 m or 25,289 ft) in theChitral region of the North-West
Frontier Province of Pakistan.

It is the westernmost extension of the Pamir Mountains, the Karakoram Range,
and is a sub-range of the Himalayas. It is also calculated to be the
geographic center of population of the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hindu_Kush

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/dyfi/events/us/2009nbbf/us/index.html


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nankana_Sahib


Srinagar pronunciation (help�info) (Dogri: ???????; Kashmiri: ???????,
????????? ; Urdu: ??????), is the capital of the northernmost state of the
disputed Jammu and Kashmir that is situated inIndia-administered Kashmir. It
is situated in Kashmir Valley and lies on the banks of theJhelum River, a
tributary of the Indus. The city is famous for its lakes and houseboats. It
is also known for traditional Kashmiri handicrafts and dry fruits. It is
also the headquarters ofSrinagar district.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Srinagar

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Sean

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1469 - Birth / Nanak - November 5th, 1469: "NANAK (1469-1539)-The founder of
Sikhism, born in the village of Talwandi, near Lahore in the Pumjab. A scion
of a Khatri family, he had close associations with Kabir and like his great
contemporary, he preached monotheistic faith, compounded out of Hindu and
Muslim elements and as such, was equally acclaimed and admired by both."

[Based on: http://www.ruhanisatsangusa.org/gloss.htm]

1469 - Founded / Sikhism - 1469:

Sikhism is the youngest of the World Religions, barely 500 years old. It was
founded by Siri Guru Nanak Dev Ji in 1469 who laid the basic principles of
Sikhism. It offered the people a simple Sikh religion teaching "Oneness of
God", whose name is TRUTH. Nine Gurus followed him who all reinforced and
added to what was taught by the first Guru. After which in 1708, the holy
book of the Sikhs, The Siri GURU GRANTH SAHIB JI was Proclaimed to be the
only Guru by the last Guru, Siri Guru Gobind Singh Ji. This holy book
embodies the philosophy and fundamentals of Sikhism. It is the only holy
book of a major religion which was written and authenticated by its
founders.

[Based on: http://www.sikh.net/SIKHISM/Sikhism.htm]

http://mirrorh.com/timelinead14.html

1522 - Trivia / Japji - "[....] Going back even further, I came to the
founder of the Sikh religion, Guru Nanak, whom Paul [Paul Twitchell] has
written about many times. Guru Nanak's most famous piece is known as the
Japji. Written around 1522, it was chosen by Guru Arjan to begin the first
edition of the Guru Granth Sahib, the sacred Bible of the Sikhs. The Japji
opens with these words from the first stanza:

Ek onkar satnam karta purakhu

Obviously, as others have pointed out, it is likely that Paul's name for
ECKANKAR came from this poem of Nanak's. A translation of the whole opening
stanza goes like this:

The One Reality, the True Name, the Eternal and Creative Source of
all,

Without fear, without hatred,

Timeless, unborn and self-existent,

The Enlightener through grace,

Present in the beginning before all the ages began,

He is present even now, O Nanak,

As He will always be.

[....]" [Based on: Dialogue in the Age of Criticism, Chap. 12]

*Trivia: The Concept of Ek-Onkar by Prof. Harmindar Singh

Guru Nanak's concept and vision of the Supreme Being is embodied in terse
terms in the Sikh Fundamental Creed, Mool Mantra, literally meaning the Root
Formula. Because of its importance as a basic theological declaration around
which revolves the whole Sikh philosophical thought, it is most
appropriately placed in the very beginning of the Sikh scripture, the Guru
Granth Sahib. It affirms in unequivocal terms Guru Nanak's uncompromising
belief in monotheism. In the original the text read as:

"Ek Onkar Satnam Karta Purush Nirbhau Virvair Akal Murat, Ajuni Saibhang
Gurprasad(i)"

The English rendering would approximate to:

There is One and only One God who is transcendent as well as immanent. True
and Eternal Name. Creator and Person. Without Fear and without Enmity.
Timeless Form, Unborn, Self-existent. Realized by Divine Grace.

[....]

[Based on: http://www.sikhs.org/art1.htm]

*Trivia: "The Sanskrit word omkara (from which came Punjabi onkar, etc),
literally "OM-maker", has two families of meanings:-

Brahma (god) in his role as creator, and thus a word for "creator".

Writers' term for the OM sign.

[Based on: http://encyclopedie-en.snyke.com/articles/_aum.html]

*Links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ek_Onkar

1676 - Guru Gobind Singh - "GOBIND SINGH, Guru (Ministry 16761708)-A
soldier-saint ranking as tenth in succession to Nanak, brought about the
transformation of Sikhs (mere disciples) into Singhs (militant lions), a
martial race for the defense of the country against injustice and tyranny of
the rulers, and gave the new institution the name of Khalsa-the brotherhood
of the pure, by a form of baptism, called Khanda-di-Pahul or 'Baptism of the
Sword.' "

[Based on: http://www.ruhanisatsangusa.org/gloss.htm]

1761 - Ahmad Shah Abdali / India - "The gradual decline in power of the
Mughals in the eighteenth century resulted in anarchy in India's political
life. Confusion, disorder and disunity reigned supreme. The pleasure-loving
later Mughals, the very antithesis of their great forebears, and their
corrupt nobility who were engrossed in mutual rivalries weakened the central
authority. Several provincial dynasties sprang up to reduce the Mughal
Emperor to insignificance. The Maratha ascendancy in the north, series of
foreign invasions and the terror they struck, and the defeat of Marathas at
the hands of Ahmad Shah Abdali in 1761 made the condition worse. [....]"

[Based on: http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Academy/9563/chapter1.html] -
[T.D. - 12/15/08]

1769 - Venus Transit - "The transit of Venus in 1769 found observers around
the globe - including Capt. James Cook in Tahiti - taking measurements in a
joint effort to figure the distance from Earth to the sun. They were off by
only two million miles. It's 93 million miles away [the sun], on average,
and its light makes the trip in about eight minutes." [N.G.M., July 2004]

1773 - Boston Tea Party - "A party of Massachusetts colonists led by Samuel
Adams [and disguised as Indians] dumped tea into Boston harbour. Reportedly,
the members of the Boston Tea Party were all Freemasons who belonged to the
St. Andrews lodge in the city."

1783 - American Independence - "The Treaty of Paris was ratified on April
17, 1783, and it officially recognized American independence."

1786 - Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom - "The Virginia House of
Burgesses passed a statute, written by Thomas Jefferson in 1779 and
sponsored by James Madison, declaring that no person should be discriminated
against because of religious belief, or compelled to join or support any
church. This statute helped shape the First Amendment of the United States
Constitution."

1787 - Delaware - December 7th, 1787: "The 1st American state."

1788 - First Fleet Lands - British Penal Colony / Botany Bay, Australia -
"British penal colony established in Australia" 26th January, 1788. Later
moved to Sydney Harbour

Baba Jaimal Singh Ji (1839 - 1903), also known as "Babaji Maharaj," was the
first Satguru of Radha Soami Satsang Beas (RSSB) until his death in 1903.
[1]

Baba Sawan Singh succeeded him as the second RSSB Satguru.

Baba Jaimal Singh ji was born in village Lath Ghuman near Batala, Distt.
Gurdaspur, Punjab, India, in July, 1839. His father was Sardar Jodh Singh ji
and mother was Sardarni Daya Kaur ji.

She was a dvotee of Bhakt Naamdev ji, and Baba ji started visiting him at
the age of four.

At the age of five he started his education with Baba Khem Singh ji, a
Vedanti sage. Within two years he became a good reader of Guru Granth Sahib
and read Dasam Granth also.

At the age of 12-13 years he again started studying Guru Granth Sahib at
home and came to the realization that this holy book rejects Pranayama,
Vairagya, Hatha yoga, Japa, places of pilgrimage, fasting and rituals as
means to finding the absolute God described by Nanak and the other sikh
gurus.

He reached the conclusion that to find God, he must first find a perfect
Master, a Satguru who practices Anhad Shabad, the meditation on the inner
sound principle. He started the search for a Perfect Master as per the
description in the Guru Granth Sahib, undergoing a long and arduous journey
around northern India from age fifteen to seventeen.

Finally, in Swamiji Shiv Dayal Singh of Agra, he found his Satguru and was
initiated by him 1856.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaimal_Singh

Shiv Dayal Singh (also known as Swami ji) was the first Satguru to start the
teachings of Radha Soami faith. His actual name was Seth Shiv Dayal Singh
ji. He was born on August 25, 1818 inAgra, Uttar Pradesh, India on the
Janmashtmi day. At the age of five, he was sent to school where he learnt
Hindi, Urdu, Persian and Gurumukhi. He also acquired a working knowledge of
Arabic andSanskrit. His parents were the followers of Param Sant Tulsi Sahib
from Hathras, India.[2] Sant Tulsi Sahib ji initiated him at the age of six.
[3][4]

He practiced Surat Shabd Yoga for 15 years and started satsang publicly on
Vasant Panchami (a spring festival) in 1861.

This schedule continued for 17 years.

Swami ji named his philosophy "Satnaam Anaami". The movement became known
as Radha Soami, Radha meaning "Soul" and Soami meaning "Lord", hence "Lord
of the Soul". The yoga system taught by Swami Ji is known as Surat Shabd
Yoga.

Swami ji has described the secret of divine and true 'Naam'.

He wrote Saar Vachan book.

Saar Vachan Vartik contain the discourses of Swami ji Maharaj, which he
delivered in the satsang up to 1878. They cover important teachings of the
faith. His poems in Saar Vachan Chhand Band are replete with emotional
appeal - a successful blending of popular poetic expressions from different
languages of north India such as, Khari-Boli, Awadhi, Brijbhasha, Rajasthani
andGurumukhi.

He departed from this world on June 15, 1878 in Agra, India.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiv_Dayal_Singh

According to Radha Soami Satsang Beas, his guru was Tulsi Sahib of Hathras.
According to Soami Bagh and Dayal Bagh successors, Tulsi Sahib [5] was a
contemporary guru of the same teachings, but being a natural born Satguru,
Shiv Dayal Singh himself had no guru.

Master Path is another contemporary American movement of Surat Shabda Yogat.
The founder and self-proclaimed Living Master, Gary Olsen, contends that
several historical figures are Sat Gurus of Surat Shabda Yoga as
representatives for the eternal Inner Shabda Master. A few of these Living
Masters of their times include Lao Tsu, Jesus, Pythagoras, Socrates,
Kabir, the Sufi Masters and mystic poets Hafez and Rumi, the Ten Sikh Gurus
beginning with Guru Nanak, Tulsi Sahib, and the Radhasoami/Radha Soami and
offshoot Masters, including Shiv Dayal Singh, Baba Sawan Singh and Sant
Kirpal Singh.

The ten Sikh Satgurus discuss the inner sound and inner light a lot in their
scriptures. The first Sikh Satguru was Guru Nanak, but his master (guru) was
Waheguru. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surat_Shabd_Yoga

---------------------------

Waheguru (Punjabi: ????????, vahiguru or ???????, vahguru; also
transliterated as Vahiguru) is a term most often used in Sikhism to refer to
God, the Supreme Being or the creator of all.

It means "The Wonderful Teacher" in the Punjabi language. "Wah" translates
to "wonder" and "Guru" (Sanskrit: ????), is a term denoting "teacher".

Guru Gobind Singh, Nanak X (1666-1708), used "Vahiguru" in the invocatory
formula ("Ik Onkar Sri Vahiguru ji ki Fateh", besides the traditional "Ik
Onkar Satigur Prasadi") at the beginning of some of his compositions as well
as in the Sikh salutation ("Vahiguru ji ka Khalsa Vahiguru ji ki Fateh" or
"Sri Vahiguru ji ki Fateh").

Bhai Gurdas at one place in his Varan (I.49) construes "vahiguru" as an
acrostic using the first consonants of the names of four divine incarnations
of the Hindu tradition appearing in four successive eons.

Vahiguru is a compound of two words, one from Persian[citation needed] and
the other from Sanskrit, joined in a symbiotic relationship to define the
indefinable indescribable Ultimate Reality.

"Vah" in Persian is an interjection of wonder and admiration[citation
needed], and "guru" (Sanskrit guru: "heavy, weighty, great, venerable; a
spiritual parent or preceptor") has been frequently used by Guru Nanak and
his successors for "satiguru "(True Guru) or God.

Bhai Santokh Singh, in Sri Gur Nanak Prakash (pp. 1249-51), reporting Guru
Nanak's testament to the Sikhs has thus explicated "Vahiguru": "Vah" is
wonder at the Divine might; while guru means a spiritual and devotional
teacher.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Waheguru


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1818 - Birth / Seth Shiv Dayal Singh - "SHIV DAYAL SINGH JI, Soami
(1818-1878)-Seth Shiv Dayal Singh Ji of Agra, popularly known as Soami Ji
Maharaj who, in the modern age, revived the teachings of ancient Masters
including those of the later times like Kabir and Nanak; with emphasis on
the Surat Shabd Yoga or Yoga of the Sound Current providing way back to the
Kingdom of God from where this creative life-principle descended." [Based
on: http://www.ruhanisatsangusa.org/gloss.htm]


1839 - Guru Jaimal Singh - "JAIMAL SINGH (1839-1903 A.D.)-A soldier-saint
initiated into the sacred teachings of Surat Shabd Yoga by Soami Ji Maharai
of Agra, who deputed Him to carry on His Mission in the Punjab so as to
repay, in some measure, the debt the world owed to Guru Nanak who came from
the Punjab and whose teachings had imbibed and influenced Soami Jo Maharaj.
Baba Jaimal Singh Ji in his turn, left his spiritual mantle on Hazur Baba
Sawan Singh Ji. " [Based on: http://www.ruhanisatsangusa.org/gloss.htm]

1858 - Birth / Sawan Singh - "SAWAN SINGH (1858 [July 20th]-1948 A.D.)-The
Great Master who succeeded Baba Jaimal Singh Ji Maharaj at Beas." [Based on:
http://www.ruhanisatsangusa.org/gloss.htm]
*Links: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baba_Sawan_Singh
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.eckankar/browse_thread/thread/0560ea865304b67e#
[July 4th, Michael Turner]

*Trivia: "[....] In fact, except for Maharaj Charan Singh, the Satguru at
Beas from 1951 to 1990, Sawan Singh attracted the largest following of any
shabd yoga master in history, initiating more than 125,000 people into the
mystic practice. [....]"

[Based on: http://vclass.mtsac.edu:930/phil/saint.htm]

1861 - Offering Satsang / Shiv Dayal Singh - January 1861:

Soamiji Maharaj Shiv Dayal Singh (1818-1878) (also known as Siva Dayal
Sahib), the first Satguru of Radhasoami, was born August 25, 1818, into a
khatri family, residing in Panni Gali, Agra, India. On the request of his
disciple, Rai Saligram Bahadur, also known as Hazur Maharaj, he began
offering satsang on Basant-Panchami day in January 1861. Around 1866, the
satsang was named "Radhasoami Satsang." Soamiji Maharaj presided over the
satsang meetings for seventeen years at Panni Gali and Soami Bagh in Agra
until he died on June 15, 1878. [....]

[Based on: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shiv_Dayal_Singh]

1861 - Trivia / Kriya Yoga - "Throughout the history of creation, the divine
teachings of Kriya Yoga were introduced and lost countless times, in
accordance with the different cycles of human consciousness. [NP] The
contemporary re-introduction of Kriya Yoga began in 1861 in a remote
mountain cave in northern India, and has been since then transmitted through
an unbroken lineage of realized masters."

[Based on:
http://www.hariharananda.org/english/who_we_are/kriya/kriya_linage.htm] -
[T.D. - 01/15/07]
[Other links: http://www.geocities.com/chelab4/]

According to Yogananda, Kriya Yoga was well-known in ancient India, but was
eventually lost, due to "priestly secrecy and man's indifference." The story
of Lahiri Mahasaya receiving initiation into Kriya Yoga by the immortal yogi
Mahavatar Babaji in 1861 is recounted in Autobiography of a Yogi.[2] At that
meeting, Yogananda wrote that Mahavatar Babaji told Lahiri Mahasaya, "The
Kriya Yoga that I am giving to the world through you in this nineteenth
century, is a revival of the same science that Krishna gave milleniums ago
to Arjuna; and was later known to Patanjali and Christ." [Based on:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kriya_Yoga] - [T.D. - 01/15/07]

861 - Confederate Constitution / U.S.A - February, 1861: "At a convention in
Montgomery, Alabama, the seven seceding states created the Confederate
Constitution, a document similar to the United States Constitution, but with
greater stress on the autonomy of each state. Jefferson Davis was named
provisional president of the Confederacy until elections could be held."
[Link: 1]

all from ....

http://mirrorh.com/timelinead18.html

Mahavatar Babaji is the name given to an Indian saint by Lahiri Mahasaya and
several of his disciples[1]who met Mahavatar Babaji between 1861 and 1935.
Some of these meetings were described byParamahansa Yogananda in his book
Autobiography of a Yogi (1946), including a first hand telling of Yogananda's
own meeting with Mahavatar Babaji.[2] Another first hand account was given
by Sri Yukteswar Giri in his book The Holy Science.[3] All of these
accounts, along with additional meetings with Mahavatar Babaji, are
described in various biographies[4][5][6] of those mentioned by Yogananda.

Mahavatar Babaji's given name and date of birth are not known, so those who
met him during that period all called him by the title first given to him by
Lahiri Mahasaya.[2][6] "Mahavatar" means "great avatar", and "Babaji" simply
means "revered father". Some of the encounters included two or more
witnesses-discussions between those who met Mahavatar Babaji indicate that
they all met the same person.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahavatar_Babaji

Lahiri Mahasaya
The first reported encounter with Mahavatar Babaji was in 1861, when Lahiri
Mahasaya was posted to Ranikhet in his work as an accountant for the British
government. One day while walking in the hills above Ranikhet, he heard a
voice calling his name. Following the voice up the mountain, he met a "tall,
divinely radiant sadhu."[6] He was amazed to find that the sadhu knew his
name.[2][6] This sadhu was Mahavatar Babaji.

Disciples of Lahiri Mahasaya
Several disciples of Lahiri Mahasaya also said they met Babaji. Through
discussion with each other, and the fact that some of these encounters
included two or more witnesses, they confirmed that the person they saw was
the same sadhu that Lahiri called Mahavatar Babaji.[2][6][8]

In 1894, at the Kumbha Mela in Allahabad, Sri Yukteswar Giri, a disciple of
Lahiri Mahasaya, met Mahavatar Babaji. He was surprised by the striking
resemblance between Lahiri Mahasaya and Mahavatar Babaji.[2][5]

Others who met Babaji also commented on the resemblance.[6] It was at this
meeting that Mahavatar Babaji instructed Sri Yukteswar to write the book
that was to become Kaivalya Darshanam, or The Holy Science.[3]

Sri Yukteswar had two more meetings with Mahavatar Babaji, including one in
the presence of Lahiri Mahasaya.

Mahavatar Babaji as Krishna
Lahiri Mahasaya wrote in his diary that Mahavatar Babaji was Lord
Krishna.[7] Two disciples of Paramahansa Yogananda report that he also
stated Mahavatar Babaji was Krishna in a former lifetime.[10][11] Yogananda
also frequently prayed out loud to "Babaji-Krishna."[12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mahavatar_Babaji

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Brief Biography of Hazrat Inayat Khan
based on quotes from Biography of Pir-o-Murshid Inayat Khan, East-West
Publications, 1979

http://wahiduddin.net/hik/hik_origins.htm

Inayat Khan was born in Baroda, India on July 5, 1882.

Following a vision of meeting a Sufi teacher, he met Muhammad Abu Hashim
Madani who trained him in the ways of the Chishti, Naqshbandi, Qadiri, and
Suhrawardi Sufi orders.

He said to himself: "It matters not how much time you have spent to gain
that which never belonged to you, but which you called your own; today you
comprehend it is yours no longer. And it is the same with all you possess in
life, your property, friends, relations, even your own body and mind. All
which you call 'my', not being your true property, will leave you; and only
what you name 'I', which is absolutely disconnected with all that is called
'my', will remain." He knelt down and thanked God for the loss of his
medals, crying: "Let all be lost from my imperfect vision, but Thy true
Self, ya Allah!"

Shortly before the death of his beloved teacher, Inayat had been instructed:

"Fare forth into the world, my child, and harmonize the East and the West
with the harmony of thy music. Spread the wisdom of Sufism abroad, for to
this end art thou gifted by Allah, the most merciful and compassionate."

To fulfill that mission, Inayat along with his cousin and brother sailed
from India to America on September 13, 1910. In his autobiography, Inayat
wrote of that voyage:

I was transported by destiny from the world of lyric and poetry to the
world of industry and commerce on the 13th of September 1910. I bade
farewell to my motherland, the soil of India, the land of the sun, for
America the land of my future, wondering: "perhaps I shall return some day",
and yet I did not know how long it would be before I should return. The
ocean that I had to cross seemed to me a gulf between the life that was
passed and the life which was to begin. I spent my moments on the ship
looking at the rising and falling of the waves and realizing in this rise
and fall the picture of life reflected, the life of individuals, of nations,
of races, and of the world.

I tried to think where I was going, why I was going, what I was going to
do, what was in store for me. "How shall I set to work? Will the people be
favorable or unfavorable to the Message which I am taking from one end of
the world to the other?" It seemed my mind moved curiously on these
questions, but my heart refused to ponder upon them even for a moment,
answering apart one constant voice I always heard coming from within, urging
me constantly onward to my task, saying: "Thou art sent on Our service, and
it is We Who will make thy way clear." This alone was my consolation.

Initially, their public performances centered on Indian music and they
accompanied dancers such as Mata Hari and Ruth St. Denis in both America and
Europe.

I found Miss Ruth St. Denis an inventive genius, and I was struck with a
witty answer she gave upon hearing my ideas about human brotherhood, uniting
East and West. She said, "Yes, we, the people of the Occident and Orient may
be brothers, but not twins."

In addition to the musical performances, Inayat gave Sufi lectures that were
often held in bookstores or homes. Rabia Martin, of San Francisco, became
one of his first students and was soon appointed as his American
representative.

I had a vision that night that the whole room became filled with light, no
trace of darkness was to be found. I certainly thought that there was some
important thing that was to be done next day, which I found was the
initiation of Mrs. Ada Martin, the first mureed on my arrival to the West
and, knowing that this soul will spread light and illuminate all those who
will come in contact with her, I initiated her and named her Rabia after
the name of a great woman Sufi saint of Basra.

Inayat traveled widely in America and Europe from 1910 until 1920, when he
set up a residence in France, where he focused on summer schools, classes
and lectures.

His message was always aimed at unity, bringing together all of humanity,
rising above the differences and distinctions that have separated us.

---

He found no effort on the part of Murshid to force his ideas upon anybody.
He saw in Murshid the tendency to appreciate every kind of idea, for in
every idea there is a good side and he felt that the tendency was to be
sympathetic rather than antagonistic. He saw that there was nothing that
Murshid stood for, but only believed that the truth was in every heart and
no-one else can give it to another unless it rose up from the heart of a
person as a spring of water from the mountain. He became so softened in his
tone and in his manner after an hour's conversation that he parted quite a
different man from what he had come. He shook hands with Pir-o-Murshid and
said, "We shall always be friends" and Murshid thought that it was not a
small achievement.

In this uniquely western form of Sufism, there are no barriers of race,
creed or religion, it is not a religion, but rather a way of life that
enhances and fulfills every religion. As Inayat Khan said, "The Sufi sees
the truth in every religion."

"You have nicely said to us, Murshid, how Sufism is one with all
religions. Now please tell us, what is the difference between Sufism and
other religions."

Then Murshid said, "The difference is that it casts away all differences."

Inayat promoted unity and understanding in every aspect of life, and said
"religion is the foundation of the whole life in the world, and as long as
an understanding is not established between the followers of all different
religions, it will always be difficult to hope for better conditions."

In speaking about mankind's longing for the Divine message, yet rebelling
against every messenger that has ever come to show the way, Inayat once
wrote:

... who can answer this demand? He alone who is sent from above, who is
appointed by God to deliver His Message, who is empowered by the Almighty to
stand by them in their struggles, and who is made compassionate by the most
Merciful to heal their wounds. Man wants something he cannot get, man wishes
to believe in something he cannot understand, man wishes to touch something
he cannot reach. It is the continual struggle for the unattainable that
blinds man, and he forms such high ideas even of the prophet who is only a
Messenger, a human being, one like every one else, and who is subject to
death and destruction and all the limitations of life, that the prophet does
not seem to come up to man's ideal until he has left the world, leaving
behind the memory which again rises as a resurrection of the prophet,
spreading the influence of all he brought to the world and pouring from
above that blessing which arose as vapour and came back from above as a
rainfall.

The Sufi Message of Inayat Khan is the echo of the same Divine message which
has always come and will always come to enlighten humanity. It is not a new
religion or a new message; it is the same message of Unity that has been
given to humanity again and again, yet so few hearts are open to hear it.

Inayat continued to travel widely, offering the message to all who were
ready to hear it, but in 1926 as he was becoming physically exhausted, he
decided to go home to India to rest. However, his popularity was so great in
India that he found himself once again endlessly traveling to spread the
Message, and while traveling he became ill with pneumonia..

Following the brief illness, Inayat Khan departed from this world in Delhi
on February 5, 1927, at the Tilak Lodge on the banks of the river Yamuna.
His dargah (burial tomb) is in Delhi.

http://wahiduddin.net/hik/hik_origins.htm

-- Inayat traveled widely in America and Europe from 1910 until 1920, when
he set up a residence in France, where he focused on summer schools, classes
and lectures.

-- It has been said that sometime during the period 1924-1926 -- when Paul
Twitchell was about 15-16 years old, that he and Kaydee spent a Year with
Sudar Singh in Paris while Kaydee was studing Art in Paris France.

-- After this Paul then spent some time with Rebazar Tarz in the Himalayas
.... probably returning ot the USA around 1926 to early 1927 at the latest.

-- I can't recall how this may fit in with other known and confirmed dates
for Paul at school or College or other key dates.

hang on I'll check the Mirrorh

1909 - Birth? / Paul Twitchell - 22nd October 1909:

"One of the more credible birthdate's attributed to Paul Twitchell, the
modern day founder [1965] of ECKANKAR, the Religion of the Light & Sound of
God." [E.M.]

1909 - Earthquake / Kentucky - October 23rd, 1909: "One of the 13
earthquakes listed for 1909 occurred shortly after midnight of October 22.
It was a 4.5 magnitude quake, centered on the Mississippi River, about 30
miles from Paul's [Paul Twitchell's] first home in Paducah, Kentucky."
[Based on: Dialogue in the Age of Criticism, Chap. One]

1923 - The Mysticism of Sound - 1923: "The Mysticism of Sound, by Hazrat
Inayat Khan. Original copyright date 1923." [Source link:
http://vclass.mtsac.edu:930/phil/center.htm ]

The Supreme Being has been called by various names in different languages,
but the mystics have known him as HU. . . the only name of the Nameless. . .
The word Hu is the spirit of all sounds and of all words, and is hidden
within them all, as the spirit in the body. It does not belong to any
language, but no language can help belonging to it. This alone is the true
name of God, a name that no people and no religion can claim as their own.

[Based on: The Mysticism of Sound, by Hazrat Inayat Khan, pages 64-65
(original copyright date 1923)]

1939 - Coins of Gold - "Reportedly, the first published book by Paul
Twitchell [The modern day founder of Eckankar - 1965] was entitled Coins of
Gold, first printed in 1939."

1939 - The Path of the Masters - "The Path of the Masters was first
published in France in 1939; its author was Julian P. Johnson

---

---

According to Paul, he only learned the truth about his birth when his
grandmother told him in private, after he had graduated high school and
Kay-Dee had gone off to college. So, it is quite possible that other family
members either didn't know the whole story, or simply chose not to talk
about it. This does offer one explanation why there was so much confusion
over Paul's exact birth date in his family.

On the other hand, Paul's story about meeting Sudar Singh as a teenager
is fraught with troubles. Since Kay-Dee's birth records, according to the
family bible and her death certificate, indicate that she was born in 1904,
and Paul's story indicated that their visit to Paris was interrupted by
their mother's death, which took place in 1940, then Kay-Dee would have been
about 36 years old, and Paul, himself, would hardly have been a teenager
either. Also, Kay-Dee's husband, Paul Iverlet, swears that not only did
Kay-Dee never visit India, or France, but in fact she had never even been
outside the US her whole life. Something about this story doesn't add up
with the facts.

However, as fate would have it, some new information surfaced that
fills in this picture a little more. I discovered, from a 1920's Who's Who
in Kentucky article on Paul that he had, in fact, been in Paris the year
after graduating high school. Only it was Paris, Kentucky, not Paris,
France. Was this more than a coincidence? Yes, since we later confirmed that
Kay-Dee had also gone to Paris, Kentucky, to study art. (For more
information, see the addendums.)

http://www.littleknownpubs.com/Dialog_Ch._One.htm

here we have Doug being thrown about another story anecdote circumstance ..
and assuming that the part about when Paul's mother died would be the more
accurate.

But which mother Doug? Mrs Twitchell or his birth mother?

In this same page you mention about Paul and others mixing up things on
purpose like China Pouint, but you neevr would think somehting about paul's
mother dying must be "true" and strsaight forward?

Did Paul's grandmother pay for kay dees ART college ? does anyone know? Was
she ok financially, or had she maybe come into some money, and was willing
to indulge her grand kids with a life changing trweat of going to Europe?

When did Paul finish high school? the Autumn of 1925 or early 1926 perhaps??

Kay Dee would have been then about 21 years old .....

Add to this "story" that Paul has said .. [ where's the details ??? ] that
his Father was into esoteric things, that his DAD met Sudar Singh in England
when his dad was there travelling or something for work.

or something like that ... didn't paul say that his father would meditate
and do o-o-b projection too, all 3 of them could.

So what chance when paul just finished high school , found out that he was
adopted , his grandmother was the one who told him finally ... and maybe as
is often the case maybe he was finally told becasue his real BIRTH mother
was known to be dying then.

So Kay Dee was already over in Paris France studying Art as a bright 21-22
year old student would be .. they stayed there about a year [ to paul that
could be anywhere from 4 months to 18 months who klnows?] ........ but then
they had to return because Paul's mother died .. not THEIR mother but Paul's
mother .... Kay dee's mother died in 1940, as Doug says.

And maybe enroute home, Paul did a side trip via the himalayas to see
Rebazar tarz .....

Now another little co-incidence .. did you know that Tibet is not north of
srinagar kashmir or afghanistan or beas or allahabad.... but in fact it is
north of Assam in far eastern India, with Lhasa being directly above the
centre of Assam, whuich is just above bangladesh

also BTW ...

Check out the website for Volker Doormann , he has a good history offering
there.

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> Brief Biography of Hazrat Inayat Khan
> based on quotes from Biography of Pir-o-Murshid Inayat Khan, East-West
> Publications, 1979
>
> http://wahiduddin.net/hik/hik_origins.htm
>
> Inayat Khan was born in Baroda, India on July 5, 1882.
>

> France. Was this more than a coincidence? Yes, since we later confirmed

This of course could be a real trip, or an astral soul travel trip as Paul
slowly came home by ship to the USA, stopping off at some ports to travel
like any normal young man would love to do [ i think ] By this time Paul
would be 18 maybe .... on his way home on a slow boat?

and on this note I recall I think Doug saying that Paul statred College
LATER than normal .. could he have been delayed overseas, on a trip funded
by his grandmother [ or a trust left by his real mother?] , and the timing
connected with his birth mother passing away in 1926.


> Now another little co-incidence .. did you know that Tibet is not north of
> srinagar kashmir or afghanistan or beas or allahabad.... but in fact it is
> north of Assam in far eastern India, with Lhasa being directly above the
> centre of Assam, whuich is just above bangladesh
>

Did you know if one was to trek up to Tibet from Allahabad India, then his
path is blocked by Nepal .. one needs to travel East to Assam and then nip
north between Nepal and Bhutan
Mahapurusha Srimanta Sankaradeva (1449-1568) = 120 years of age


http://www.bookrags.com/wiki/Srimanta_Sankardeva

Etznab

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On Nov 10, 5:27 am, "Sean" <h...@home.net> wrote:
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Interesting.

The other night I was wondering if Paul went with (or to visit)
his sister in Paris Kentucky because she was his ally. Can
you imagine Paul living at home with the others without Kay-
Dee? I think she was his favorite relative. And if she went to
college it might have been the first time they were separated
for such a long time.

For all I know, Paul could have run away from home to live
with his sister at college. This is just a wild guess, though.

However, it would make sense if Paul was away from home
for about two years that he would later have to make those
two years up after he returned home. Didn't Paul say some-
thing about having two years to make up to finish his degree
after he got back from the ashram, and he was about 16?

You wrote:

"When did Paul finish high school? the Autumn of 1925 or
early 1926 perhaps??"

I saw that he graduated in 1928, Sean. It was one of the
dates.

Hey, that math seems to fit. If Paul got home at 16 yrs old
in 1926 then he would have two more years to "make up" &
graduate in 1928. The problem with these dates though, is
that Doug appeared to believe Paul went to Paris after he
graduated high school. The Who's Who article shows Paul
was in Paris Kentucky then.

"Twitchell, John Paul, director municipal recreation; b. Paducah,
Ky., Oca, 22, 1908; s. Jacob Noah and Effie Dorothy Twitchell;
ed. Augusta Tilghman H. S., grad. 1928; Physical dir. Y.M.C.A.,
Paducah, Ky., 1928-31; Paris Ky., 1929; track Coach, Tilghman
H. S., Paducah, 1929-30-31; athletic director Murray State Teach-
ers Coll., 1931-33; Western State Teachers Coll., Bowling Green,
Ky., 1933-35; asst. director Ohio State Univ., fall of 1935;
municipal
recreation director, Paducah, since 1935. Contributor of articles to
Athletic Journal. Office: Campbell Bldg. Mome[sic]: 1625 North
Twelfth St., Paducah, Ky."

[Based on: Who's Who in Kentucky, 1935?]

http://www.littleknownpubs.com/Dialog_careers1.htm

Didn't I just post a photo of an alleged graduation page for Paul
Twitchell, recently? Was the date 1928? I thought it was early
30s. I don't remember.

I think David Lane mentioned that Paul graduated in May 1931
according to a quote by Wilson Gantt, dean of admissions and
registrar.

So the dates range from 1928 to 1931 for graduation according
to the references I have seen.

Doug suggests Paul went to Paris Kentucky after high school?
After 1928?

Well [D.M. to D.L.], go back and re-read the Who's Who article.
You'll see it says quite clearly that Paul was in Paris the year
after he graduated from high school. Exactly like it said in Brad
Steiger's book. Well, except for the fact that it was Paris, Ken-
tucky, not Paris, France!"

http://www.littleknownpubs.com/Dialog_careers1.htm

As I remember it, Paul suggested he was 14 when he went to
Paris, or the ashram in India and was 16 when he got back. If
that were true the years would be about 1923, 24-1925-1926.

When was Kay-Dee at college in Paris, Kentucky? Was it in
1929? I don't know.

Sorry to do that, Sean. I know you don't necessarily have time
to sort out all the facts. Believe you me, I know what that's like!
I'm pretty much burnt out on it myself.

Maybe if Doug, Rich or someone else has time they can clarify
when exactly Paul was in Paris, France, an ashram in India, &
his sister's college in Paris, Kentucky? What years.

Then again, I wouldn't blame anybody for passing on that one.

Etznab


Sean

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etznab said ::


Maybe if Doug, Rich or someone else has time they can clarify
when exactly Paul was in Paris, France, an ashram in India, &
his sister's college in Paris, Kentucky? What years.

Then again, I wouldn't blame anybody for passing on that one.

Etznab

====================

Hi, just quickly ... this is the main problem, blockage that I see now. As
good as what people have done, there is no straighforward timeline that
anyone could call reliable.

Becasue of different "quotes" being used, especially from publications no
one can work which might be the more likely erro. No conspiracy here, it;s
just that vfact is people make mistakes in editing or type-setting, and then
in proof reading too ... all these things take time and money, two things
that Paul did NOT have much of.

So, whatever, but what our problem here now is that all this data is NOT in
a reliable data base that can be looked at without getting a headache from
trying. <g>

You said you found it impossible to keep doing the timelinne about eckankar
history becasue it was to hard and complex -- and un-reliable at times too!.

But what is most un-reliable is all of our individual memories, and that's
where the whole thing becomes a real pain imho. All this stuff is simply all
over the place .. and then websites gets closed and goodness goes where the
source documents and scans and things, and various records of significant
passages in books, or quotes be they by Paul or others ... it goes in the
Cyberspace Blackhole never to be found again eventually.

Oh well ..... at least they found a link between the bipods and the
sauropods :-)


cheers seanaki


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