Galuuk's New role: Kennth Star & Spanish Inquisition
Leaf
gal...@aol.com wrote on 11/10/04 6:43 PM:
> Lurk says....
>
> <<< You can think up all kinds of silly scenarios to defend your
> unsubstantiated position, but Colleen has informed you this person was
> not a client. >>>
>
> And Bill Clinton said "I didn't have sex with THAT woman."
>
>
> Joey
It seems that Galuk, in referencing Clinton (see post above) has taken up
the role of Kenneth Star, the infamous Washington Special Prosecutor who
dogged Clinton like a rabid hound. Galuk (Joey) would hound Colleen to the
end of the earth, in similar fashion to Mr. Star.
With Galuuk now present, we can all retire. He will demonstrate through his
posts more about the cult aspects of Eckankar than all of us. He has decided
to be the Grand Inquisitor, as well as the judge and the jury, of his
one-man crusade against Colleen.
As he has implored us to do on numerous occasions, sit back, folks, and
watch the Joey show. He has promised us all it will be a good one. We can
consider it to be like "reality television." We can watch Joey swagger, we
can watch him lust for revenge (or justice!), we can watch him play his role
to the essence of Mr. Star. He will pursue his quarry, like the viciously
obsessive Inspector Javer in Les Miserables, and he will never surrender his
resolve until he has driven his sword, dagger, or sharp wooden stake into
the heart of the evil transgressor.
Adding to the drama is the fact that, unlike the character Jean Valjean in
les Miserables, Colleen has not actually commited any trangressions against
the law. Jean Valjean stole a loaf of bread to fill his empty stomach.
Colleen merely exercised her freedom of speech.
But I digress into triviality, for Colleen's lack of wrongdoing is hardly
relevant or of import. What is important is Joey's enormous appetite for
playing the role of the star inquisitor, even if he has to invent a crime!
It is the drama of a huge ego, fundamentalist passion, misguided motives,
and unabashed grandstanding that is promised in Joey's show. With all of
these incendiary ingredients, it is guaranteed to be a major hit!
So find a good seat, pop up the corn, settle back and enjoy the spectacle,
compliments of Joey, the Grand High Initiate Inquisitor of Eckankar, the New
Age Religion of the Light and Sound of God Almightly!
Leafeater
@aloha.net Rich
"Leaf" <tomlea...@earthlink.net> wrote
> It seems that Galuk, in referencing Clinton (see post above) has taken
up
> the role of Kenneth Star,
And it shouldn't be forgotten that Clinton _was_ impeached...
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cher
>
> "Leaf" <tomlea...@earthlink.net> wrote
>
> > It seems that Galuk, in referencing Clinton (see post above) has taken
> up
> > the role of Kenneth Star,
>
> And it shouldn't be forgotten that Clinton _was_ impeached...
Odd that... he never left office though. I guess now they feel appeased?
<smile>
Now the question is... will this assuage their anger and embarrassment
over Richard Nixon or will they need more blood to still the beast
within? I bet they need to take out Roosevelt too make it all better.
When it comes to vanity it's difficult to say how much is enough... we
see that on this newsgroup everyday! <smiling>
Leaf
"Rich" <rsmith @aloha.net> wrote in message
news:cmvk2...@news4.newsguy.com...
>
> "Leaf" <tomlea...@earthlink.net> wrote
>
> > It seems that Galuk, in referencing Clinton (see post above) has taken
> up
> > the role of Kenneth Star,
>
> And it shouldn't be forgotten that Clinton _was_ impeached...
Yes, he was. And following this, Kenneth Star's conservative radicalism
received criticism from even the Republicans, to the extent that the
"Independent Prosecutor" provision in the law was repealed with votes from
both parties.
Most in either party never wanted to see such extravagant waste, extremism,
or rabid partisanship ever again, unless, of course, one was an extremist
partisan.
Leaf
> Rich
Galuuk
Then take a close look in the mirror. Which role are you playing in this
drama?
Joey
@aloha.net Rich
"cher" <gruen...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:4193924F...@worldnet.att.net...
> Rich wrote:
> >
> > "Leaf" <tomlea...@earthlink.net> wrote
> >
> > > It seems that Galuk, in referencing Clinton (see post above) has
taken
> > up
> > > the role of Kenneth Star,
> >
> > And it shouldn't be forgotten that Clinton _was_ impeached...
>
> Odd that... he never left office though. I guess now they feel
appeased?
> <smile>
> Now the question is... will this assuage their anger and embarrassment
> over Richard Nixon or will they need more blood to still the beast
> within? I bet they need to take out Roosevelt too make it all better.
> When it comes to vanity it's difficult to say how much is enough... we
> see that on this newsgroup everyday! <smiling>
I expect that the blood lust will be worse for whoever the next
President is.(think Dialog on the Age of Criticism) I also think that
it's as much the media throwing gasoline on the flames of spin and
undocumented theory as anything else. Media Literacy coupled with an
understanding of Logical Fallacies has a long way to go. That's tied
into better education, which is tied into politics which is tied into
media...
cher
It's a larger reflection in our own country of what's happening around
the world, actually. The bitterness and sarcasm that fill this planet
leaves little room for reseach or lessons. Is media responsible for
people accepting someone elses word for what to think? Or was that
laziness inherent? I signed up for several democratic mailing lists
before the election, and all I received were constant requests for funds
and reiteration of talking points. Too bad people like colleen who call
themselves professionals missed the boat on what mind control actually
looks like in the real world. <smiling> This election was more like 1984
then any I've seen to date. But then I have not recovered those sorts of
memories from past lives. <wink> Steve R. buys newpapers from our
past... and the rhetoric surrounding such topics as freeing the slaves
and what to do about native americans is eye openning. We're no
different today then we were 150 years ago. <sigh> I keep telling him he
needs to do a web site of these papers... to share with all of us how
little progress we've made in a century and a half. It took longer for
the news to get to people, but the touches of intention are all right
there, clear as day. That's what helps me stay balanced in the midst of
these highly charged arguments that surround these debates. Realizing
that this isn't a fight to move forward, it's a rehash of the same old
thing. And if it hasn't changed us in on over two hundred years.... why
would I expect a change today? Overnight? Just trying to keep it all in
perspective somehow. <smile>
@aloha.net Rich
"cher" <gruen...@worldnet.att.net> wrote
> Rich wrote:
> > "cher" <gruen...@worldnet.att.net> wrote
> > I expect that the blood lust will be worse for whoever the next
> > President is.(think Dialog on the Age of Criticism) I also think
that
> > it's as much the media throwing gasoline on the flames of spin and
> > undocumented theory as anything else. Media Literacy coupled with an
> > understanding of Logical Fallacies has a long way to go. That's tied
> > into better education, which is tied into politics which is tied
into
> > media...
>
> It's a larger reflection in our own country of what's happening around
> the world, actually. The bitterness and sarcasm that fill this planet
> leaves little room for reseach or lessons. Is media responsible for
> people accepting someone elses word for what to think? Or was that
> laziness inherent?
Both? The TV, that children are raised with, is totally passive. The
Internet is passive except for the small parts of NG's, mailing lists &
chats.
> I signed up for several democratic mailing lists
> before the election, and all I received were constant requests for
funds
> and reiteration of talking points. Too bad people like colleen who
call
> themselves professionals missed the boat on what mind control actually
> looks like in the real world. <smiling> This election was more like
1984
> then any I've seen to date.
In the way of bombardment, yes. But there were two side that were
_very_ active.
> But then I have not recovered those sorts of
> memories from past lives. <wink> Steve R. buys newpapers from our
> past... and the rhetoric surrounding such topics as freeing the slaves
> and what to do about native americans is eye openning. We're no
> different today then we were 150 years ago. <sigh> I keep telling him
he
> needs to do a web site of these papers... to share with all of us how
> little progress we've made in a century and a half. It took longer for
> the news to get to people, but the touches of intention are all right
> there, clear as day.
What prompted my response to the 'Some things never change' thread was
that I was in the middle of reading an article in Smithsonian about "The
Law That Ripped America in Two"(Kansas-Nebraska Act). It cause real
violence(John Brown) then, lead down the path to disunion and shattered
the Democratic Party. The newspaper ads and articles were, as you say,
eye opening.
> That's what helps me stay balanced in the midst of
> these highly charged arguments that surround these debates. Realizing
> that this isn't a fight to move forward, it's a rehash of the same old
> thing. And if it hasn't changed us in on over two hundred years....
why
> would I expect a change today? Overnight? Just trying to keep it all
in
> perspective somehow. <smile>
I too find the long view or an overview brings these situations into
perspective. Like, 40 years from now how significant will this be in
the overall scope of my life?;-) Truth be told it's not much right now
in terms of how my day to day life is changed.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?O501255C9
cher
>
> "cher" <gruen...@worldnet.att.net> wrote
>
> > Rich wrote:
> > > "cher" <gruen...@worldnet.att.net> wrote
>
> > > I expect that the blood lust will be worse for whoever the next
> > > President is.(think Dialog on the Age of Criticism) I also think
> that
> > > it's as much the media throwing gasoline on the flames of spin and
> > > undocumented theory as anything else. Media Literacy coupled with an
> > > understanding of Logical Fallacies has a long way to go. That's tied
> > > into better education, which is tied into politics which is tied
> into
> > > media...
> >
> > It's a larger reflection in our own country of what's happening around
> > the world, actually. The bitterness and sarcasm that fill this planet
> > leaves little room for reseach or lessons. Is media responsible for
> > people accepting someone elses word for what to think? Or was that
> > laziness inherent?
>
> Both? The TV, that children are raised with, is totally passive. The
> Internet is passive except for the small parts of NG's, mailing lists &
> chats.
Odd that. I know that there are times when I turn something off in mid
stream because the vibes of the thing are just too fragmented. Silence
is a wonderful environment. <smile> I love the book discussion lists but
there again, only a handful of people participate at any given time.
Most people join and read, but never post.
> > I signed up for several democratic mailing lists
> > before the election, and all I received were constant requests for
> funds
> > and reiteration of talking points. Too bad people like colleen who
> call
> > themselves professionals missed the boat on what mind control actually
> > looks like in the real world. <smiling> This election was more like
> 1984
> > then any I've seen to date.
>
> In the way of bombardment, yes. But there were two side that were
> _very_ active.
You got it too, hey? <sigh> I got posts via email and snail mail and
phone calls... it was unreal! Got to a point where I checked my caller
ID before I answered my phone... I just got tired of telling them that
one contribution was all they were getting this time around. tsk... And
yes, that was a passive solution to the problem. ;-)
> > But then I have not recovered those sorts of
> > memories from past lives. <wink> Steve R. buys newpapers from our
> > past... and the rhetoric surrounding such topics as freeing the slaves
> > and what to do about native americans is eye openning. We're no
> > different today then we were 150 years ago. <sigh> I keep telling him
> he
> > needs to do a web site of these papers... to share with all of us how
> > little progress we've made in a century and a half. It took longer for
> > the news to get to people, but the touches of intention are all right
> > there, clear as day.
>
> What prompted my response to the 'Some things never change' thread was
> that I was in the middle of reading an article in Smithsonian about "The
> Law That Ripped America in Two"(Kansas-Nebraska Act). It cause real
> violence(John Brown) then, lead down the path to disunion and shattered
> the Democratic Party. The newspaper ads and articles were, as you say,
> eye opening.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smithsonian/issues04/may04/kansas.html
What a great find!! Thank you! I was raised in the south, and to be
honest with a yankee mother I was lucky that we didn't pretend the war
had been stolen at the ballot box by republicans. <wink> She just calmly
said, "they lost honey, but let's not tell them just yet". <giggling>
> > That's what helps me stay balanced in the midst of
> > these highly charged arguments that surround these debates. Realizing
> > that this isn't a fight to move forward, it's a rehash of the same old
> > thing. And if it hasn't changed us in on over two hundred years....
> why
> > would I expect a change today? Overnight? Just trying to keep it all
> in
> > perspective somehow. <smile>
>
> I too find the long view or an overview brings these situations into
> perspective. Like, 40 years from now how significant will this be in
> the overall scope of my life?;-) Truth be told it's not much right now
> in terms of how my day to day life is changed.
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?O501255C9
Another great read! <smile> In fact I should get another copy of that
one... everytime I buy one I end up loaning it out and never see it
again. Well... how do you make an issue over that one? <smile>
sean
So the repeal of the existing law, and handing the matter over to the new
terriotries to decide for themsleves, ie following the democratic principle,
failed ?? because it inflamed peoples emotions and all went unsunder again
which later moved onto the civil war?
In other words democracy led to the civil war? and by association democracy
is what is inflaming peoples passions now ............... just being devil's
advocate here so please be kind.
Is there any value in a benevolent dictator if people are still free to live
their lives without harrassment?
Is democracy living life by agreement or something else. If the family was
run on "democratic principle" how long before the father would be sacked by
the children?
And is democracy really the core value or principle upon which personal
liberty and freedom is based ......... or is it something else entirely, and
the cry from the roof that there is freedom in democractic process really
only more spin and mis-guided beliefs that have been taught as being so when
in truth it is not?
mmmmmmmmmm
"cher" <gruen...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
news:4195498F...@worldnet.att.net...
cher
>
> So the repeal of the existing law, and handing the matter over to the new
> terriotries to decide for themsleves, ie following the democratic principle,
> failed ?? because it inflamed peoples emotions and all went unsunder again
> which later moved onto the civil war?
> In other words democracy led to the civil war? and by association democracy
> is what is inflaming peoples passions now ............... just being devil's
> advocate here so please be kind.
No, just a historical context as most americans right now pretty much
agree that all this is somehow linked to the civil war. They actually
discussed this on several of the news shows I watched election coverage
on! Pretty neat, hey? Causal connections and all! <smile>
> Is there any value in a benevolent dictator if people are still free to live
> their lives without harrassment?
Not particularly. That's where the levels of government come into play,
and when necessary the actions of the people. It's not all cut and
dry... one guy running things here. Even with the majority in the
senate, the democrats still hold the power to fillibuster any vote.
> Is democracy living life by agreement or something else. If the family was
> run on "democratic principle" how long before the father would be sacked by
> the children?
<smile> Depends upon the family doesn't it? Dan was head of the
household.... when I let him feel like it. <smile> The same thing held
true with me. ;-) But the reality was neither son had the power of veto
until he paid better than half the rent and utilities... Dan rule. And
that never happened.
> And is democracy really the core value or principle upon which personal
> liberty and freedom is based ......... or is it something else entirely, and
> the cry from the roof that there is freedom in democractic process really
> only more spin and mis-guided beliefs that have been taught as being so when
> in truth it is not?
there is no such thing as complete freedom on this planet. That's the
territory of Soul. At least that's my understanding of the thing. It's
the best government basis so far to date though. As far as absolute
freedom... well there's little wilderness left on this planet. And in
the wilderness, it's seldom democracy that rules. IMHO.
sean
> sean wrote:
> >
> > So the repeal of the existing law, and handing the matter over to the
new
> > terriotries to decide for themsleves, ie following the democratic
principle,
> > failed ?? because it inflamed peoples emotions and all went unsunder
again
> > which later moved onto the civil war?
> Yep! That pretty much sums it up!
>
> > In other words democracy led to the civil war? and by association
democracy
> > is what is inflaming peoples passions now ............... just being
devil's
> > advocate here so please be kind.
>
> No, just a historical context as most americans right now pretty much
> agree that all this is somehow linked to the civil war. They actually
> discussed this on several of the news shows I watched election coverage
> on! Pretty neat, hey? Causal connections and all! <smile>
>
That is interesting ..... I sorta noticed when I was there that the civil
war was not far under the surface of life. I know it's held in deep respect
by most people, and the impact of it. I enjoyed going to Manassas and a few
other places I just stopped and had a look around and a sit. eerie.
So it's the passions revisited perhaps?
> > Is there any value in a benevolent dictator if people are still free to
live
> > their lives without harrassment?
>
> Not particularly. That's where the levels of government come into play,
> and when necessary the actions of the people. It's not all cut and
> dry... one guy running things here. Even with the majority in the
> senate, the democrats still hold the power to fillibuster any vote.
Well in a dictatorship there is still government and all, only that there's
one person where the buck stops and who can over-ride anything to be sure
Justice is done. Solomon did ok i thought.
It also seems to me that the people still had the freedom and got rid of
manevolent kings quite often, so I still can;t see the real difference yet.
Except that voting sheds less blood than swords. Well it's supposed to! ;-)
> > Is democracy living life by agreement or something else. If the family
was
> > run on "democratic principle" how long before the father would be sacked
by
> > the children?
>
> <smile> Depends upon the family doesn't it? Dan was head of the
> household.... when I let him feel like it. <smile> The same thing held
> true with me. ;-) But the reality was neither son had the power of veto
> until he paid better than half the rent and utilities... Dan rule. And
> that never happened.
>
Of course, Dan then let you feel like that too, right? <smile>
Dan ruled, that's my point, and I'm sure he was quite benevolent. ;-))
I guess it goes like this, I am God in this space, all things come from me,
I have the power to give and the power to take away............. above that
I also am your protector and your guide and teacher ....... follow me, abide
by my law and all shall be given unto you.
Spiritual Law 101 All things come from God
Spiritual Law 102 See Law 101
So what were we saying about democracy again? ;-))
> > And is democracy really the core value or principle upon which personal
> > liberty and freedom is based ......... or is it something else entirely,
and
> > the cry from the roof that there is freedom in democractic process
really
> > only more spin and mis-guided beliefs that have been taught as being so
when
> > in truth it is not?
>
> there is no such thing as complete freedom on this planet.
> That's the territory of Soul. At least that's my understanding of the
thing.
May I take that as a YES to my question then? :-)
Democracy is not the principle upon which personal liberty and freedom is
based.
And that's what I have been saying in many different ways here since
November 4th
It's
> the best government basis so far to date though. As far as absolute
> freedom... well there's little wilderness left on this planet. And in
> the wilderness, it's seldom democracy that rules. IMHO.
>
Ah, the good old days, when men were men, and women worked hard and both
still loved with great abandon.
<sigh>
Love Sean
Leaf
gal...@aol.com wrote on 11/11/04 4:14 PM:
Joey, I'll give you 48 hours to supply the following to the newsgroup:
Clear, irrefutable evidence of your accusations that Colleen revealed
information about a client without the clients permission. Specifically, you
must prove beyond any doubt that:
1) The e-mail Colleen posted was from a client of Colleen's service as a
professional therapist.
If you don't supply the evidence within that period, it will be clear you
are making defamatory allegations that are unprovable. An apology to Colleen
that you wrongly accused her will be expected. After that period, it will
also be expected you to move on from this issue.
Time to shit or get off the pot, brother.
Leaf
sean
small correction, clarification
"sean" <som...@microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:WK2dnQAuebo...@inspired.net.au...
Actually, the real point is that you both ruled, as a team, either way the
"dynamic" was as a benelolent dictator .....that's the issue I'm suggesting
.... in a family love also comes from that too .... pls don;t jump to
conclusions about what i didn;t say.... cheers
@aloha.net Rich
"cher" <gruen...@worldnet.att.net> wrote
Ah... yes. With that thought I flash to the rainforest, the smell, the
vibe of the sound current, audible above the birds and the wind thru the
trees...
> I love the book discussion lists but
> there again, only a handful of people participate at any given time.
> Most people join and read, but never post.
Haven't done any of that in a long time. Did an ECK Vidya one once
which was great and fairly active. But true, most folks appear passive
or shy online... or maybe are that way, which is fine. Being active,
which Eckankar suggests, doesn't mean an A type personality. That's not
the same as being active in ones own spiritual growth.
> > > I signed up for several democratic mailing lists
> > > before the election, and all I received were constant requests for
> > funds
> > > and reiteration of talking points. Too bad people like colleen who
> > call
> > > themselves professionals missed the boat on what mind control
actually
> > > looks like in the real world. <smiling> This election was more
like
> > 1984
> > > then any I've seen to date.
> >
> > In the way of bombardment, yes. But there were two side that were
> > _very_ active.
>
> You got it too, hey? <sigh> I got posts via email and snail mail and
> phone calls... it was unreal! Got to a point where I checked my caller
> ID before I answered my phone...
I was there too. I got three calls from pollsters, a great call from a
liberal on the East Coast calling from the phone book at the last minute
to get people out to vote, multiple recorded messages, snail mail(which
got spanked from the media here for being false), lots of E-mail from
both sides. Still getting E-mail from liberal friends... Still, I
think it's a good thing in that people are engaged. Who knows, some day
they might even _listen_ to each other.<g>
> I just got tired of telling them that
> one contribution was all they were getting this time around. tsk...
And
> yes, that was a passive solution to the problem. ;-)
Yeah, sometimes it's like, "Enough already!"
Cool! I get the mag so didn't know it was online.
> I was raised in the south, and to be
> honest with a yankee mother I was lucky that we didn't pretend the war
> had been stolen at the ballot box by republicans. <wink>
I did LOL on that.
> She just calmly
> said, "they lost honey, but let's not tell them just yet". <giggling>
Ha!
> > > That's what helps me stay balanced in the midst of
> > > these highly charged arguments that surround these debates.
Realizing
> > > that this isn't a fight to move forward, it's a rehash of the same
old
> > > thing. And if it hasn't changed us in on over two hundred
years....
> > why
> > > would I expect a change today? Overnight? Just trying to keep it
all
> > in
> > > perspective somehow. <smile>
> >
> > I too find the long view or an overview brings these situations into
> > perspective. Like, 40 years from now how significant will this be
in
> > the overall scope of my life?;-) Truth be told it's not much right
now
> > in terms of how my day to day life is changed.
> > http://makeashorterlink.com/?O501255C9
>
> Another great read! <smile> In fact I should get another copy of that
> one... everytime I buy one I end up loaning it out and never see it
> again. Well... how do you make an issue over that one? <smile>
Don't encourage anyone! It heresy to the blood lust of the hard core
skeptic.<G> People get so caught up in the minutia of spheres of
experience that are not theirs, and relegate greater importance to that
than their own. Of course that's why we are here, to learn to sort that
out. What's the bottom line of our existence here? I can tell you one
thing. It sure ain't politics!!<G> Logic, facts, evidence? It really
don't _mean_ athing. All this stuff can be fun and mentally and
emotionally stimulating, but learning to most often default to the
spiritual perspective is where it's at, for me. So some day... I'll
practice what I preach.;-)
@aloha.net Rich
"sean" <som...@microsoft.com> wrote in
> So the repeal of the existing law, and handing the matter over to the
new
> terriotries to decide for themsleves, ie following the democratic
principle,
> failed ?? because it inflamed peoples emotions and all went unsunder
again
> which later moved onto the civil war?
Right. Funny that. Democracy in the extreme is anarchy which lead to
violence. However, "all men are created equal" prevailed. Given the
dualistic nature of the human experience, it could have gone the other
way.
> In other words democracy led to the civil war? and by association
democracy
> is what is inflaming peoples passions now ...............
Nah... It's not democracy. To me it looks more like misconceptions.
> just being devil's
> advocate here so please be kind.
Damn Aussie!;-)
> Is there any value in a benevolent dictator if people are still free
to live
> their lives without harrassment?
I know so, based on past life experiences. Problem is it's all too rare.
Given that half the people are below average, a benevolent leader who
has exceptional qualities can rule to the satisfaction of most.
> Is democracy living life by agreement or something else. If the family
was
> run on "democratic principle" how long before the father would be
sacked by
> the children?
There's the issue. If there are more children than adults then it's
likely to fail. Education, experience and conscious spiritual awareness
are factors that, if ignored, will lead to sacking.
One problem is gluttony. In the US many of people on welfare have more
than a great deal of third world people even dream of. If the have nots,
be it material things or power, are given the rule, they will tend to
take from and destroy the haves. Democracy is a relatively new
experiment that is delicately balanced. For it to work it needs most the
people to accept their place in the spectrum, knowing that they are free
to move up within their own capabilities. But then many don't know
that... That's where spiritual awareness can come into play. IMO that
trumps materiality, IQ, education and even experience. None of those
affect Love and happiness. How can a government give those? It can't.
It boils down to one of my favorite themes, awareness of
Self-responsibility. But then the lower half of that spectrum don't grok
that. So any resolution conceived can only be temporary. But
temporarily, despite the whining, the US has the most of it all. The
only constant is change but I don't see the wisdom of tearing down what
is(Optimism Warning) what's working so well.
There is a win-win perspective that I see. The meme of karma and
reincarnation. The long view that ones place in the spectrum is a
process that changes with each lifetime in an expanding learning
experience.
> And is democracy really the core value or principle upon which
personal
> liberty and freedom is based ......... or is it something else
entirely, and
> the cry from the roof that there is freedom in democractic process
really
> only more spin and mis-guided beliefs that have been taught as being
so when
> in truth it is not?
>
> mmmmmmmmmm
Right. It's not Truth.
@aloha.net Rich
"cher" <gruen...@worldnet.att.net> wrote
> there is no such thing as complete freedom on this planet. That's the
> territory of Soul. At least that's my understanding of the thing. It's
> the best government basis so far to date though. As far as absolute
> freedom... well there's little wilderness left on this planet. And in
> the wilderness, it's seldom democracy that rules. IMHO.
Hear hear!
cher
Okay, I'd honestly need to dip into past life files to explore kings.
<wink> Perhaps I'm tripping over this post because I've had previous
experiences with the projections of GW being the U.S. king and dictator.
And for that I apologize... unworthy projection on my part. <smile> I'll
try to stay in the loop and broaden my perspective here. <wink>
> > > Is democracy living life by agreement or something else. If the family
> was
> > > run on "democratic principle" how long before the father would be sacked
> by
> > > the children?
> >
> > <smile> Depends upon the family doesn't it? Dan was head of the
> > household.... when I let him feel like it. <smile> The same thing held
> > true with me. ;-) But the reality was neither son had the power of veto
> > until he paid better than half the rent and utilities... Dan rule. And
> > that never happened.
> >
>
> Of course, Dan then let you feel like that too, right? <smile>
>
> Dan ruled, that's my point, and I'm sure he was quite benevolent. ;-))
Wait a minute! How did you come to that conclusion? <sigh> At his last
job, he was baffled by the way things worked in the civilian world....
so accustomed to military life. The ladies in his office were almost
afraid of him, he was so "work oriented" and had so little room for the
common wastes of time that people take for granted. They told me at his
memorial service that they would secretly hope I'd call him at work,
because his entire demeanor would change instantly when I called. He'd
soften up and smile and become comfortable with himself. I guess that's
what he meant when he called me his "better half". <smile> See.... there
was no ruler, there was love. Responsibility shifted according to who
was better at what job, and we shared these roles in order to help
improve ourselves! Back up systems sort of thing. That's what life is
like as a military wife... one day you're the better half, the next
you're a single parent taking care of bills and auto repairs for heaven
only knows how long, and then your loved one comes home... you have to
shift back into couple mode again. In the process children age and go
through different experiences... nothing stays the same. It's an art
form, managing that type of relationship and all the problems that come
with personalities. So the only ruler of the day ends up being "love"
based on respect and a desire to share that most cherished expression of
self. <smile> It's called flexibility.
> I guess it goes like this, I am God in this space, all things come from me,
> I have the power to give and the power to take away............. above that
> I also am your protector and your guide and teacher ....... follow me, abide
> by my law and all shall be given unto you.
>
> Spiritual Law 101 All things come from God
> Spiritual Law 102 See Law 101
>
> So what were we saying about democracy again? ;-))
See above! <smile> Heaven takes many hands and hearts. <wink> It's never
about how runs the show... it's about the show being one beings chose to
experience.
> > > And is democracy really the core value or principle upon which personal
> > > liberty and freedom is based ......... or is it something else entirely,
> and
> > > the cry from the roof that there is freedom in democractic process
> really
> > > only more spin and mis-guided beliefs that have been taught as being so
> when
> > > in truth it is not?
> >
> > there is no such thing as complete freedom on this planet.
> > That's the territory of Soul. At least that's my understanding of the
> thing.
>
> May I take that as a YES to my question then? :-)
>
> Democracy is not the principle upon which personal liberty and freedom is
> based.
True! Unless you're a politician, that is. <smile>
> And that's what I have been saying in many different ways here since
> November 4th
>
> It's
> > the best government basis so far to date though. As far as absolute
> > freedom... well there's little wilderness left on this planet. And in
> > the wilderness, it's seldom democracy that rules. IMHO.
> >
>
> Ah, the good old days, when men were men, and women worked hard and both
> still loved with great abandon.
Yeah... scenes of Deliverance fill my happy mind! I can hear the banjo
from here! <smiling> No thank you..... <smile> The old west doesn't hold
any allure for me.... I'm part cherokee! <grinning> That and I love
washing machines! I've done laundry by hand, blue jeans and bed
sheets.... ignorant hippie days! If there was no other way to do things,
I know I can manage and survive because I've proven it to myself, but if
there's a choice? I'll take out anyone who comes between me and my
toaster! And that's a promise! <beaming>
> <sigh>
>
> Love Sean
cher
died and appointed you the law on this newsgroup! If colleen is
concerned about this issue then she is the one who needs to come forward
and make any demands on her behalf. Beyond that.... there is no
obligation to be met!
cher
LOL... no fears mate! I most clearly defined it for you. <chuckle>
cher
It must be wonderful... <sigh> I love the land around here... the hills.
Something about it calls me back over and over again. The woods and
streams and rocks .... yes... the sound does come through... with an
open heart. <smile>
> > I love the book discussion lists but
> > there again, only a handful of people participate at any given time.
> > Most people join and read, but never post.
>
> Haven't done any of that in a long time. Did an ECK Vidya one once
> which was great and fairly active. But true, most folks appear passive
> or shy online... or maybe are that way, which is fine. Being active,
> which Eckankar suggests, doesn't mean an A type personality. That's not
> the same as being active in ones own spiritual growth.
True... The groups that are on line now are actually RESA approved
groups, there's three of them right now and each has it's own
personality. Nice place to explore though. <smile> Very different from
the Vidya class, too.
As for type A's... well, after living with one of those for over twenty
years.. I did actually discover the subtleties of active and aggressive.
<wink> Active imparts "in the moment", type A imparts getting there at
all costs. <grinning>
> > > > I signed up for several democratic mailing lists
> > > > before the election, and all I received were constant requests for
> > > funds
> > > > and reiteration of talking points. Too bad people like colleen who
> > > call
> > > > themselves professionals missed the boat on what mind control
> actually
> > > > looks like in the real world. <smiling> This election was more
> like
> > > 1984
> > > > then any I've seen to date.
> > >
> > > In the way of bombardment, yes. But there were two side that were
> > > _very_ active.
> >
> > You got it too, hey? <sigh> I got posts via email and snail mail and
> > phone calls... it was unreal! Got to a point where I checked my caller
> > ID before I answered my phone...
>
> I was there too. I got three calls from pollsters, a great call from a
> liberal on the East Coast calling from the phone book at the last minute
> to get people out to vote, multiple recorded messages, snail mail(which
> got spanked from the media here for being false), lots of E-mail from
> both sides. Still getting E-mail from liberal friends... Still, I
> think it's a good thing in that people are engaged. Who knows, some day
> they might even _listen_ to each other.<g>
Now that's become the dream. Learning to listen, discovering respect.
What a world that will be!
> > I just got tired of telling them that
> > one contribution was all they were getting this time around. tsk...
> And
> > yes, that was a passive solution to the problem. ;-)
>
> Yeah, sometimes it's like, "Enough already!"
I told my son that this is like ramping up to the wedding day...
anything that can wrong will. <wink> It's the heightened energy of
emotions. If nothing else it made for a great platform for studying
human nature. <smile>
I earned my humor the hard way... being born between the north and the
south. <wink>
LOL.... I love the details, I hate to admit it. Dan used to call me
"digger". Get caught up in the minutia of the thing and forget to let go
and take a deep breath. Especially when I get caught up in devils
advocate. Now that's an addictive game! <sigh> Have to continually
remind myself. When I step back from it all... really let it go, and
suddenly realize how off base I actually am... wow.. it amazes me I can
find my socks in the morning. <chuckle> But once that experience of
within comes through.... well, it gets easier each time to slip past
this stuff. A genuine gift!!! And seldom a constant... as that spiritual
perspective keeps shifting on me... especially with this election, the
reality that social consciousness is so deeply woven within our
spiritual expectations. It's such an eye opener to suddenly start
pealing off those layers and discover that none of this is real....
<shudder> That desire to bring this inner world experience down into
this physical realm as a representation is truly strong current. <sigh>
The magnetism of "heaven on earth" has amazed me.
cher
>
> "cher" <gruen...@worldnet.att.net> wrote
>
> > there is no such thing as complete freedom on this planet. That's the
> > territory of Soul. At least that's my understanding of the thing. It's
> > the best government basis so far to date though. As far as absolute
> > freedom... well there's little wilderness left on this planet. And in
> > the wilderness, it's seldom democracy that rules. IMHO.
>
> Hear hear!
<smiling> Thanks Rich.
sean
hehehehehe ..... I get that ;-))
sean
Funny that's what I was trying to do for myself. <wink>
> > > > Is democracy living life by agreement or something else. If the
family
> > was
> > > > run on "democratic principle" how long before the father would be
sacked
> > by
> > > > the children?
> > >
> > > <smile> Depends upon the family doesn't it? Dan was head of the
> > > household.... when I let him feel like it. <smile> The same thing held
> > > true with me. ;-) But the reality was neither son had the power of
veto
> > > until he paid better than half the rent and utilities... Dan rule. And
> > > that never happened.
> > >
> >
> > Of course, Dan then let you feel like that too, right? <smile>
> >
> > Dan ruled, that's my point, and I'm sure he was quite benevolent. ;-))
>
> Wait a minute! How did you come to that conclusion? <sigh>
Yeah, not good to personalise it ........... could have been better.
clarlify later.
At his last
> job, he was baffled by the way things worked in the civilian world....
> so accustomed to military life. The ladies in his office were almost
> afraid of him, he was so "work oriented" and had so little room for the
> common wastes of time that people take for granted. They told me at his
> memorial service that they would secretly hope I'd call him at work,
> because his entire demeanor would change instantly when I called. He'd
> soften up and smile and become comfortable with himself. I guess that's
> what he meant when he called me his "better half". <smile> See.... there
> was no ruler, there was love. Responsibility shifted according to who
> was better at what job, and we shared these roles in order to help
> improve ourselves! Back up systems sort of thing. That's what life is
> like as a military wife... one day you're the better half, the next
> you're a single parent taking care of bills and auto repairs for heaven
> only knows how long, and then your loved one comes home... you have to
> shift back into couple mode again. In the process children age and go
> through different experiences... nothing stays the same. It's an art
> form, managing that type of relationship and all the problems that come
> with personalities. So the only ruler of the day ends up being "love"
> based on respect and a desire to share that most cherished expression of
> self. <smile> It's called flexibility.
>
BEUATIFUL Cher .......... you know I really get that fwiw.
I am the child of a military man and his wife ............. not an easy
trip. I get the absent father thing, and the strugggles to hold the
relationship together in love.
You have captured the model I was alluding to above, but I didn't quite pull
it all together. Yes, flexibility of strengths etc, what I needed to say
came later last night .... especially when there's a mini crisis .......
both wear the pants, both need a say when they have something to say, both
listen and adjust.
And RESPECT .......... boy how many times has that word been around me
lately. <sigh> Without respect there can be no love, it isn't love it's
little self, power, and controlling behaviours. Toss in honesty and trust
too, and love has the soil in which it can always florish. imho and
experience.
Sri Harold said something in a talk not so long ago, that the foundation or
pre-requisite for a good marriage is when "All things are done with love,
and agreement." That really hit home to me, and I have been patiently
looking for that in my life ever since he said it. <sigh>
> > I guess it goes like this, I am God in this space, all things come from
me,
> > I have the power to give and the power to take away............. above
that
> > I also am your protector and your guide and teacher ....... follow me,
abide
> > by my law and all shall be given unto you.
> >
> > Spiritual Law 101 All things come from God
> > Spiritual Law 102 See Law 101
> >
> > So what were we saying about democracy again? ;-))
>
> See above! <smile> Heaven takes many hands and hearts. <wink> It's never
> about how runs the show... it's about the show being one beings chose to
> experience.
>
Yes.
> > > > And is democracy really the core value or principle upon which
personal
> > > > liberty and freedom is based ......... or is it something else
entirely,
> > and
> > > > the cry from the roof that there is freedom in democractic process
> > really
> > > > only more spin and mis-guided beliefs that have been taught as being
so
> > when
> > > > in truth it is not?
> > >
> > > there is no such thing as complete freedom on this planet.
> > > That's the territory of Soul. At least that's my understanding of the
> > thing.
> >
> > May I take that as a YES to my question then? :-)
> >
> > Democracy is not the principle upon which personal liberty and freedom
is
> > based.
>
> True! Unless you're a politician, that is. <smile>
>
I'll skip that this life thank you very much. ;-))
> > And that's what I have been saying in many different ways here since
> > November 4th
> >
> > It's
> > > the best government basis so far to date though. As far as absolute
> > > freedom... well there's little wilderness left on this planet. And in
> > > the wilderness, it's seldom democracy that rules. IMHO.
> > >
> >
> > Ah, the good old days, when men were men, and women worked hard and both
> > still loved with great abandon.
>
> Yeah... scenes of Deliverance fill my happy mind! I can hear the banjo
> from here! <smiling> No thank you..... <smile> The old west doesn't hold
> any allure for me.... I'm part cherokee! <grinning> That and I love
> washing machines! I've done laundry by hand, blue jeans and bed
> sheets.... ignorant hippie days! If there was no other way to do things,
> I know I can manage and survive because I've proven it to myself, but if
> there's a choice? I'll take out anyone who comes between me and my
> toaster! And that's a promise! <beaming>
>
ROTFLOL and waving my arms about ............ so funny.
> > <sigh>
> >
> > Love Sean
cher
It's difficult to see our own emotions within a given topic.... a fine
exercise though. <smile> I know for me, it's been tremendous training of
late. <wink>
It's odd how few people seem to realize that travel and seperation shape
a marriage into something that is constantly negotiated as people grow
from the life experience of the thing. Shifting roles and
responsibilities mean constant re-evaluation of ones ego and needs. If
I'd known going into the marriage what I learned coming out of it I
don't know if I'd have had the courage to take that step in the first
place. But as trainning in life experience, I cannot think of anything
that brings one so much experience in such a way.
> You have captured the model I was alluding to above, but I didn't quite pull
> it all together. Yes, flexibility of strengths etc, what I needed to say
> came later last night .... especially when there's a mini crisis .......
> both wear the pants, both need a say when they have something to say, both
> listen and adjust.
Exactly! Honoring the strength in the other, while feeling confident in
ones own abilities is a different level of relationship... one of quiet
confidence that gains value via love and acceptance.
> And RESPECT .......... boy how many times has that word been around me
> lately. <sigh> Without respect there can be no love, it isn't love it's
> little self, power, and controlling behaviours. Toss in honesty and trust
> too, and love has the soil in which it can always florish. imho and
> experience.
I'm amazed at how often I hear the lament of "respect me", but seldom a
discussion of respecting another. A significant clue into the self
esteem issues so many people bring into co-dependent relationships.
Relationships show us all that we are, good and bad... right and wrong.
Not just about the other person but of ourselves as well, if we've the
courage to look there. Bundaries are built against what we don't want to
see of ourselves more often then to seperate us from any one else. But
that's just my thoughts on it all... <smile>
> Sri Harold said something in a talk not so long ago, that the foundation or
> pre-requisite for a good marriage is when "All things are done with love,
> and agreement." That really hit home to me, and I have been patiently
> looking for that in my life ever since he said it. <sigh>
The question is... agreement of what? <smile> He's a wise man in all
things. <smile>
My life is a chinese curse, sean. <wink> It's been interesting to say
the least! <wink>
> > > <sigh>
> > >
> > > Love Sean