Paul Twitchell on Jesus being the son of Satan
Darrick Evenson
"Satan is that power we know as the Kal Niranjan. Personified by the
Christian literature as the fallen angel he stands for everything that
is materialistic and evil. He is the force that wishes us to stay in
the lower worlds and worship him." (The Precepts of Eckankar, L.5)
"Therefore we see him [Jesus] as really a son of Kal Niranjan who is
king of the lower worlds who expresses himself in the male gender."
(Letters to a Chela #3)
M B
according to Letters to Gail. The book was called Sar Bachan & was written
in a prose and poetry version in the 1800's.
Now if one were to look in the beginning of the new SKS, one will in a
directly opposing statement where is called JC, Budda,Osisis... and others,
'mahantas'.
So then as with other conflicting views, the one that takes precedence it
not defined , but the one in the SKS SEEMS to be the most consistant with
some other writings..... who knows ????
Michael
false idols...
So there you go, the Catch 22 strikes again...
Love
Michael
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M B
M B
written word dogmatically, fanatically and to take precedence over what you
feel at the core of your own being.
Sean
The point being what????
If you think this means that PT was saying Jesus is satan in the context of
what Christians believe satan to be, and in the context of the Christian
world view, and the Christian view of the afterlife, then one would be
surely mistaken.
How does one integrate the idea that others have suggested here that "jesus"
was the son of god, as we ALL surely are, and then also being the Son of
Satan in this Christian context.
It simply does not fit. The mind cannot accept both ideas when it is fixated
on the only truth being one.
Therefore, if one seeks to understand what it is that PT was expressing, one
would need to SHIFT their state of consciousness and world-view to one that
is capable of seeing that BOTH the above ideas, points of view, are
simulaneously true and correct.
Whilst one remains in line with the basic and fundamental teachings of
Christianity, ie literal interpretations of the written word of God, one
will never be able to come to an understanding of what it is PT means by the
quotes you have posted.
Your choice about what you want to do about that. One does not learn the
teachings of Christianity in a few minutes by reading a few selected posts
from the Bible, and the same is true with ECkankar's teachings. One needs to
put in a bit of time reading first.
Some have sent 30 years as an Eckist and still seem to miss much about this
teaching, as do Christians about their own. <G>
cheers
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Lurk Ann Johnson
Good points Sean.
There certainly has been an update since Paul came around. I remember watching
a play at a seminar, that basically acted out how Jesus is simply hanging out
with the Lords of Karma having to answer to all those people who think they
have been saved by him. He is a real busy dude on the Astral. Every time a
Christian dies, he has got to go to court.
@aloha.net Rich
"Darrick Evenson" <darrick...@yahoo.com> wrote
Sorry, way out of contest, so wrong conclusions can be drawn.
Nice try. Or are are you relying on the integrity and intelligence of
Sharon, who first purposefully took this out of context?
http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=3BB42908.6EA5%40aloha.net
Either way, who are you trying to convince? You have seen many answers
by the Eckists here. Apparently you don't want to accept them because
they wouldn't fit into an anti-cult cult book.
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Sean
"Lurk Ann Johnson" <Som...@maybe.com> wrote in message
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> Good points Sean.
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Thankyou, who ever you are. <G>
Yes, I remember this being written about in eckankar, not sure where, and I
did get a laugh from it too.
Not laughing at Jesus, it's the situation. ;-))
NoCa...@webtv.net
"Showtime" in the book, In the Company of Eck Masters, by Phil
Morimitsu.
Michael
"M B" <mb1...@ix.netcom.com> wrote in message
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On this point, I agree with you, Michael B...
If people need to take written text as "God's Word" this simsply means they
are too insecure to come to their own understanding of life, or too lazy to
really have a good search and get a comparison from other areas.
When the Catholic Church invented "Modernism" they thought they would really
destroy the Lutheran Scholars who were tearing the dogma and beliefs of the
Catholic Church to pieces. WHat happened was that the study of Modernism,
with access to the Vatican Documents, PROVED the Lutheran Scholars to be if
anything understating the case. Quite a few Jesuits took a walk...
Now the study of Modernism is BANNED and new priests take a vow swaering
against it <G>
Gotta love it...
Love
Michael
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M B
Lunatics and other fanatics latch on to such stuff as a personal power
trip - even when authors say not take written or spoken words that way...
happens in ALL religions - and even in industry in many cases...Industry
fanatics often mimic the words of cherish lead as if from GOd - even when
they are kidding - happens ALL the time ! Insecure is an understatement ! In
industry they work real hard to make products and documents 'idiot proof '
in common terms !
M B
standards they are often far to easy to take out of context !
M B
Shiv Dayal Singh, (or 1800's promotor) also promoted widow suicide, spit
drinking and considered himself to be God on earth...so might be well to
view these types of books as having opinion and cultural bias among the
pearls... if you care to ...
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M B
In the Essene Gospel there is a strong emphasis on balancing the physical
body & the spiritual body. They called the material stuff the mother and the
more etheric stuff the father.
Interesting comcept in that I known folks that get too far in either
direction and become imbalanced ...in certain ways and then besome
'inefficient' .
M B
The Mother, representing material survival will develop strategies to help
one survive on Earth for example. When these strategies become inbalanced by
being to forceful that tend to become the negatives. Anger may follow
trauma, while greed may follow a fallow season.... and so forth. While the
Hindu view has always been big on deities ( and maybe even postulates them
into existance of perpetuation), the Essence view is more easy to reconsile
into Western scientific terms. The father represents more abstract thing
including the 'esoteric'.
In the Essene view the focus is on balance of the mother / father energies,
like Yin and Yang before embarking too deeply into the more esoteric
domains. Or at least this is one explanation !
Michael
Which is why the HP people sent out the flyer on advising people the CD
caddy was NOT a drinks holder, right?
Michael, what you are talking about is the AMERICAN way of doing things. In
Europe, where a greater degree of common sense reigns, it is not such an
issue. In Europw, where litigation is not a way of life, it is not such a
big deal if somone chooses to use their CD caddy as a drinks holder... The
courts there accept that an idiot is an idiot, and gives them no special
treatment.
The tradition of the Villiage Idiot goes back a long way, and on that note,
Lurk's Mum called me yesterday to say the Villiage misses their idiot, and
wants him back <G>
Love
Michael
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Michael
> When things are written without consideration for "design for clarity"
> standards they are often far to easy to take out of context !
The Ancient Greeks considered the notion of writing to the lowest common
denominator as the equivalent to anarchy ... Where stupidity reigns the mob
is not far behind!
Is that a mob behind Joe?? <G>
Love
Michael
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Darrick Evenson
M B
and if this is NOT the current 'official' position, then lots wasted
'uneconomical' - reactions have occured for nothing...IF you reported a more
complete view you will also state that PT contradicts this statement several
times in the same book--but how is the reader to know what position is
higher from the authors persective....
"Darrick Evenson" <darrick...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Sean
> It is absolutely true that this type of thing is still in the PT
literature
> and if this is NOT the current 'official' position, then lots wasted
> 'uneconomical' - reactions have occured for nothing...IF you reported a
more
> complete view you will also state that PT contradicts this statement
several
> times in the same book--but how is the reader to know what position is
> higher from the authors persective....
>
Doing the spiritual exercises ................ surrendering to spirit, and
detachment.
The author mentions them in the exact same book.
M B
and PT that JC is from the lower ecshelon is totally erroneous... the
writing of PT that JC was of the highest levels is more accurate IN MY
OPINION..
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Sean
> Did that and thereafter felt more strongly feel that writing from SD Singh
> and PT that JC is from the lower ecshelon is totally erroneous... the
> writing of PT that JC was of the highest levels is more accurate IN MY
> OPINION..
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So FINALLY you admit that the words in a book are not what is important, but
following the solid advice of PT & HK that the real answers can only ever
come from within. That the way to do this is to follow the advice given and
actually let go of the outer stuff and practice contemplation and surrender
to divine inspiration and see what comes thru. That is the foundation of the
entire teachings of ECK.
Now what were you saying about lower world "texts" again?
M B
wrote about ANY of this stuff beyond food for thought, possible guidelines
and great stuff to ponder... and sometimes FUN to critique...adn quite
interestign to see the reactions that sometimes result when the critiquing
occurs...hmmmmm, Cheers guy...
I don't care who is for or against ANY religious documentation... I just
don't give a shit, but am grateful for what I have learned along the way...
Michael~
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