ECK correct regarding 11 Dimensions...

Darrick Evenson

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Mar 17, 2004, 3:48:34 PM3/17/04

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I have little regard from Paul Twitchell, but I will say one think
about Eckankar; it is correct regarding the 11 Dimensions; at least if
String-Theory proves correct.

DArrick Evenson

M B

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Mar 17, 2004, 5:54:21 PM3/17/04

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Pls elucidate further on your suggested relationship between string theory
and so-called cosmic dimensions, 2 areas of nature that no human or groups
owns in any way...

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M B

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Mar 19, 2004, 10:10:00 AM3/19/04

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Nobody owns any of this stuff...no more thah they own the stars or the deep
blue sea. If you look hard enough you will find info about the planes and no
less than 20 places...online and otherwise & there is probable many more....

Kudos to the many authors who brought some of this stuff out over long
periods of time, accross many cultures and through the deeper parts fo ALL
major religions...

"AL Radzik" <al_r...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> You don't really think that paul, darwin or harji knew that!??
> It was plagiarized.
> Kudos to the true author.
>
> Alf

Darrick Evenson

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Mar 19, 2004, 6:19:56 PM3/19/04

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Paul only knew it because this is what Kirpal Singh taught him. Did
Kirpal "know" it other than this was what "he" was taught by "his"
master? I don't know. Probably yes.

Darrick

AL Radzik <al_r...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<28193$405a3227$18e1a310$29...@allthenewsgroups.com>...
> You don't really think that paul, darwin or harji knew that!??
> It was plagiarized.
> Kudos to the true author.
>
> Alf
>
> Darrick Evenson wrote:
>

AL Radzik

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Mar 19, 2004, 7:26:20 PM3/19/04

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You are sort of right, MB. This silver thread of spiritual knowledge permeates every religion. Many take it to new heights and others fall by the wayside. What puzzles me is that twitchell had literally stolen entire sentences and passages form other authors who did their work dilligently. Paulo just cut and pasted everything and called it his own.

Alf

AL Radzik

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Mar 19, 2004, 7:35:20 PM3/19/04

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Maybe so. Maybe Kirpal was the Twitchell of India reducing every true
spiritual principle into a palatable and easy path for his followers!
These gurus wanted to tap into the West...and the best way was to make
the best "WAY" easy!
Paul wasn't exact wrong in what he taught but he was a plagiarist. If
he was so damned spiritually realized, why did he need to steal so much?
He found another way to the truth via the East picking up the buzzwords
and ideas from those that came before him. His goal was to put him at
the top with some silly thing called Eckankar.

Alf

@aloha.net Rich

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Mar 19, 2004, 7:46:41 PM3/19/04

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"Darrick Evenson" <darrick...@yahoo.com> wrote

> Paul only knew it...

"Only"? Do you believe he had no inner experiences of his own, studied
only with Kirpal, and read no other books?<G>

>...because this is what Kirpal Singh taught him. Did

> Kirpal "know" it other than this was what "he" was taught by "his"
> master? I don't know. Probably yes.

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@aloha.net Rich

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Mar 19, 2004, 8:01:56 PM3/19/04

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"AL Radzik" <al_r...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Paulo just cut and pasted everything and called it his own.

Poor Alfie. There are others like him though, that can't see that 2% is
not equal to "everything". Not to mention that Paul used a manual
typewriter and never "called" the 2% his...

cher

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Mar 20, 2004, 1:51:25 PM3/20/04

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I often wonder how the Babylonians felt about it when the Christians did
the same thing to them! <grin> Gotta work on that absolutist technic to
keep the pure such as alfie happy! LOL......

cher

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Mar 20, 2004, 1:56:24 PM3/20/04

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Alfie learned all he ever needed to know about religion in kindergarten.
He hasn't learned a thing since then. No matter what changes in this
world, he will never move from that little box of safety.

M B

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Mar 20, 2004, 2:30:50 PM3/20/04

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Among many resources, PT, KS.....and many others probabaly learned lots
about one persons subjective commentary about planes, from Shiv Dayal Singhs
to famous books, Sar Bachan Prose and Sar Bachan Poetry vols 1 and 2. There
are MANY contempory and more ancient sources about such things as well &
Shiv Dayal Singh was clearly influenced by Taoism, Egyption Cosmology,
Sikhm, Sufi, Buddist, Vedic and Hindu sources...So, subjective mapping of
'planes' is about as original as mapping the planets, the continents.....and
so forth...and NONE of these relatively modern ( last 200 yrs) 'pioneers'
was all that unique...& very SUBJECTIVE.

Ken

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Mar 20, 2004, 4:21:09 PM3/20/04

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Plagiarism is irrelevant.

Truth is not found in a book.

AL Radzik

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Mar 21, 2004, 9:11:23 AM3/21/04

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Et tu, Cherius? Seems your a.r.e. posts contain your thoughts just about
everything BUT spiritual principles. It's just a forum for your
malignant condescension.
Now get off the keyboard and cook some Mahanta Clam Chowder for the kids.

A;f

AL Radzik

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Mar 21, 2004, 9:17:14 AM3/21/04

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Then why the books, Ken? If you are going to write a book, I'm sure you
want SOMEONE to read it. Sorry,your little bumper sticker blurb here
doesn't hold water. Plagiarism IS relevant and TRUTH CAN be found in books.
Why Twitchell himself penned the Introduction to his own book, The Far
Country, and deemed it a matchless piece of spiritual literature. I
would say he was trying to get some readership, don't you?

Alf

cher

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Mar 21, 2004, 12:59:35 PM3/21/04

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Gee alfie... can't even spell your name anymore when you're pissed off?
That's a true drop in your over all performance level. tsk..... growing
old fast, alfie.... on so many levels! <grin>

cher

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Mar 21, 2004, 1:08:36 PM3/21/04

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AL Radzik wrote:
>
> Then why the books, Ken? If you are going to write a book, I'm sure you
> want SOMEONE to read it. Sorry,your little bumper sticker blurb here
> doesn't hold water. Plagiarism IS relevant and TRUTH CAN be found in books.

Plagiarism only matters to those who don't study religions, but rather
grade papers for a living. <sigh> As to truth found in books.... true,
it is alluded to in books, but is ONLY PRACTICED IN THE HEART! So one
can lead to the other, but is not mutually exclusive to each other.

> Why Twitchell himself penned the Introduction to his own book, The Far
> Country, and deemed it a matchless piece of spiritual literature. I
> would say he was trying to get some readership, don't you?

So what's your opinion on ford johnson penning his own fabulous first
book review? Hmmm? Just curious, as you raised this issue so perhaps it
is of concern to you?

Sam

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Mar 21, 2004, 4:19:08 PM3/21/04

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AL Radzik <al_r...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:<30e53$405da3c7$18e1a310$32...@allthenewsgroups.com>...

> Then why the books, Ken? If you are going to write a book, I'm sure you
> want SOMEONE to read it. Sorry,your little bumper sticker blurb here
> doesn't hold water. Plagiarism IS relevant and TRUTH CAN be found in books.
> Why Twitchell himself penned the Introduction to his own book, The Far
> Country, and deemed it a matchless piece of spiritual literature. I

> would say he was trying to get some readership, don't you? so
>
> Alf
>

Sorry, Sri Ken, but Sri Alf is right. The premise that truth is not
found in books is a crock. Books are like the pipes that carry water
from the source to our kitchen water taps. The books are what the
trees or whatever the fiber is from, manifested via human invention.
Next, one might say that truth is not found in electricity either.
Well, sure it is. The creator made electricity, and mankind learned
how to harness that energy so that we can express truth - whatever the
hell that means to anybody - via machines. And how is this knowledge
passed on? By books, made from what? Trees, usually.

I understand your argument, Ken, but it's simply not realistic in the
physical realms.
Like God, Truth is everywhere and nowhere. These arguments are really
about evolution and bodies made from cells, be they plant cells, flesh
cells, or any other. They have nothing to do with religion whatsoever.
It's a paradox that serves only to keep the mind chewing away at
things.

Well, I guess we could always go back to the stone-age.

Heck, I think that's what I'll do...go back to the stone-age, where
mineral is mineral and air is air. No bloody way! My physical body
isn't quite dead yet. I love books! That's the real truth, for books
are truth just as are the trees from which they're made of.

Truth is everywhere and in everything, but very elusive as soon as the
mind starts chomping away it.

Am I right? Quite frankly, I don't give a damn. I've never been able
to pulverize rocks into powder by thought alone and I don't believe
anybody has either.

Soul is like pure air. It's invisible and has no colour. On the inner,
I typically see IT/GOD as white or blue.

When I was in my teens I often asked my cousins questions such as:
What's the colour of Wednesday? What's the colour of July? What's the
colour of Chord C? What the colour of Rachel? What's the color of
Paul? Does a new year start in the east and progress towards the west?
Where does a day start - from the top or the bottom?

They asked: "Why the heck are you asking these questions for?"
"I dunno," I said. "I just think about such abstract things, for I
think that's how God thinks."

Anyway, enough abstract thoughts for the day. I'm gonna make me a
vegemite / sauerkraut/ham sandwich and try not to think about it too
much.

Love
Sam

AL Radzik

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Mar 21, 2004, 9:16:15 PM3/21/04

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typo troll. tsk.
Nothing relevant as usual. Now read the post again and catch the
meaning that everyone will agree with.

A;f

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cher

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Mar 21, 2004, 11:23:13 PM3/21/04

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<grin> Like you'd recongnize such things. <chuckle> Keep up the attempt,
old boy.

cher

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Mar 21, 2004, 11:25:12 PM3/21/04

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Can't cope with the truth, hey? <chuckle>

> AL Radzik wrote:
>
> I have no interest in Johnson's book. I get all my info right here.
>
> Alf

Ken

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Mar 22, 2004, 9:56:31 PM3/22/04

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"Sam" <bot...@aol.com> wrote ...

>
> Sorry, Sri Ken, but Sri Alf is right. The premise that truth is not
> found in books is a crock. Books are like the pipes that carry water
> from the source to our kitchen water taps. The books are what the
> trees or whatever the fiber is from, manifested via human invention.
> Next, one might say that truth is not found in electricity either.
> Well, sure it is. The creator made electricity, and mankind learned
> how to harness that energy so that we can express truth - whatever the
> hell that means to anybody - via machines. And how is this knowledge
> passed on? By books, made from what? Trees, usually.

Well yes, truth can be found in trees. While they are alive at
any rate ;-)

I suppose that what I was trying to say is that truth transcends
the words one can find written in books. Words can hint at
the overarching reality, but what is written cannot even begin
to contain the All of It.

Hopefully I won't stretch this metaphor past it's breaking point,
but I see books as carriers of words, and words as carriers of
ideas. Now some ideas can certainly be true but no idea no
matter how noble, is truth in it's entirety.

Another example ...
Pipes can carry water, and everyone enjoys and needs water,
but what is it about water that we find so valuable?

Well obviously, it's because water is what makes life on this
world possible. We couldn't be here without it.

This doesn't mean however that pipes, although they may
assist us in getting the water we need to live, actually carry the
life that the water makes possible.

Likewise truth, which is like life, can't really be found contained
in the words written on pages in a book. Those words can and
do however hint at where this truth is at, and make the passing
of truth from one person to another possible.

I believe the distinction is an important one.

>
> I understand your argument, Ken, but it's simply not realistic in the
> physical realms.
> Like God, Truth is everywhere and nowhere. These arguments are really
> about evolution and bodies made from cells, be they plant cells, flesh
> cells, or any other. They have nothing to do with religion whatsoever.
> It's a paradox that serves only to keep the mind chewing away at
> things.
>
> Well, I guess we could always go back to the stone-age.
>
> Heck, I think that's what I'll do...go back to the stone-age, where
> mineral is mineral and air is air. No bloody way! My physical body
> isn't quite dead yet. I love books! That's the real truth, for books
> are truth just as are the trees from which they're made of.
>
> Truth is everywhere and in everything, but very elusive as soon as the
> mind starts chomping away it.
>
> Am I right? Quite frankly, I don't give a damn. I've never been able
> to pulverize rocks into powder by thought alone and I don't believe
> anybody has either.
>
> Soul is like pure air. It's invisible and has no colour. On the inner,
> I typically see IT/GOD as white or blue.

"The color of Soul is Love".

That's a lyric I came across a few years ago that I realy like.

>
> When I was in my teens I often asked my cousins questions such as:
> What's the colour of Wednesday? What's the colour of July? What's the
> colour of Chord C? What the colour of Rachel? What's the color of
> Paul? Does a new year start in the east and progress towards the west?
> Where does a day start - from the top or the bottom?
>
> They asked: "Why the heck are you asking these questions for?"
> "I dunno," I said. "I just think about such abstract things, for I
> think that's how God thinks."
>
> Anyway, enough abstract thoughts for the day. I'm gonna make me a
> vegemite / sauerkraut/ham sandwich and try not to think about it too
> much.

That's good advice, Sam :-)

Sam

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Mar 22, 2004, 11:55:36 PM3/22/04