EKANKAR - A Name for God
surmaddream
through the path of initiation. Truth, the knowledge of God, is called by
a Sufi "haqq". If we divide the word "haqq" into two parts, its assonant
sounds become "hu ek", HU signifying God or truth.
SIKHISM: Ekankar or Ekankar or Ek-Omkar One absolute Being, God is one.
One, Oneness.
SUFI Saying: Baraka bashad - meaning, "May the blessing be."
SUFI: Shariat is a stage in which the seeker has to live according to laws
of religion as strictly laid down, observing all the rituals. Shariat - Ki
- Ekankar – The way of the One, Oneness.
SUFI: Surmad the universal sound within all space, God in a non-western
way verse. ECKANKAR Sugmad
SANSKRIT: Sri Hinduism used as a title for a deity or holy man.
ASCENDED MASTERS: Mahamta, Mahamta Consciousness Published as part of a
set in the 1930s and '40s by Theosophical University Press. Two Sanskrit
words: maha, "great;" and atman, "soul." Thus the word mahatma means
literally "a great soul." Eckankar Mahanta, Mahanta Consciousness maha
"great" atna, "?" Thus great life insurance???
It would be so easy to pervert any HOLY word and make a claim to IT. To
state that there true meanings have been lost, then restate your
definition for profit and ego is the breaking of the most sacred of all
tenets of spiritually. Those shall be known as the great detractors to
heaven and they shall inherit their own sacred cows, the eating of bitter
grass, the light of deception and the sound of constant language.
sean
So, do we now get a treatise on the use of the TRINITY as it was used in the
more ancient religions before Christianity picked it up in 200's AD ???
Huh?
Amazing how universal truth keeps sticking it head up over and over and over
again in all sorts of forms isn't it?
"surmaddream" <surma...@hu.com> wrote in message
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> SUFI: hu and 'hu ek' The mystery of HU is revealed to the Sufi who
journeys
> through the path of initiation. Truth, the knowledge of God, is called by
> a Sufi "haqq". If we divide the word "haqq" into two parts, its assonant
> sounds become "hu ek", HU signifying God or truth.
>
> SIKHISM: Ekankar or Ekankar or Ek-Omkar One absolute Being, God is one.
> One, Oneness.
>
> SUFI Saying: Baraka bashad - meaning, "May the blessing be."
>
> SUFI: Shariat is a stage in which the seeker has to live according to laws
> of religion as strictly laid down, observing all the rituals. Shariat - Ki
> - Ekankar - The way of the One, Oneness.
Galuuk
I realize you might find this hard to believe but there have been claims by a
number of organizations, groups, and individuals that ECKANKAR is a branch or
revision of their particular belief.
That list includes those like you just mentioned, the Sufis. It also includes
the Sant Mat folks, who with nearly fanatical insistence by David Lane that the
entire concept of ECKANKAR springs from Sant Mat. There are Scientoligists who
swear that Paul Twitchell learned everything he knew from L.R. Hubbard. There
are others as well.
Surma, all these claims can't be correct. If you look at it closely, you will
discover that Paul Twitchell studied all the worlds religions. He immersed
himself in quite a few. Often times what he synthezizd was the core concepts
of each. For whatever reason, he was able to sift through the thousands of
pages of teachings and identify the core truths. Some of the names for these
core truths Paul decided to use, some he altered slightly, some he just made up
his own, but the important thing is he not only identified what the core truths
were, but how to best access the deep mystical and spiritual regions while
still existing within the physical body. No one had ever really done that
before. It was quite a remarkable feat. And he did it with a twinkle in his
eye, a grin on his face, and a notebook in his pocket.
In order to really grasp these truths one must be able to get past who did what
and when and under which flag. the important thing is....He did it!
People learned from Paul. Those people, in turn, taught others. What he
taught was true...that's why it lasted, that's why it not only survived, but
why it has thrived despite tremedous opposition and ridicule.
Joey
surmaddream
So, do we now get a treatise on the use of the TRINITY as it was used in
the more ancient religions before Christianity picked it up in 200's AD
???
Huh?
Amazing how universal truth keeps sticking it head up over and over and
over again in all sorts of forms isn't it?
**************
Sean you give the trinity talk. All I know is ekankar doesn't belong to
us. It's a name for GOD. It belongs to SIKHISM and Paul changed the
meaning to fit his creation. He had no right to pervert it. It would be
like taking HU and calling IT, HU - The religion of Light and Sound. HK
needs to take a few more right turns to get back home to the source of
these words. This isn't universal truth sticking it head up over and over
and over again in all sorts of forms, its perverting a name of God into a
Corporate word Inc.
Plachowitz
you're leaving out of your biased lexicon. Written Thai and much of
spoken Thai is based on Pali. A Thai scholar told me once S-U-G-M-A-D
means 'supreme happiness.' He said SUGMAD is pronounced with gusto;
accent on the last syllable (soog-MAHDt). Maybe if you were more open
minded and not trying to disprove ECKANKAR so much you would be more
informed. I don't have a copy of the current ECKANKAR lexicon, but I
believe the original dictionary declared the language on which many of
its words were based. You would have a lot to contribute if you put
more effort into your homework. :) Plachowitz
sean
> Sean writes:
> So, do we now get a treatise on the use of the TRINITY as it was used in
> the more ancient religions before Christianity picked it up in 200's AD
> ???
>
> Huh?
>
> Amazing how universal truth keeps sticking it head up over and over and
> over again in all sorts of forms isn't it?
> **************
>
> Sean you give the trinity talk.
I don't I need to, or want to. It's already included as part of the works of
Eckankar, plus the story is available across the world.
> All I know is ekankar doesn't belong to
> us. It's a name for GOD. It belongs to SIKHISM and Paul changed the
> meaning to fit his creation.
Did you mean "eckankar" or "ekankar" or "ekonkar" or "ikonkar"
eg http://www.stormcity.com/ikonkar/ Apparently even the Sikhs can't agree.
;-)
fwiw ECKANKAR means:
- The Path of Total Awareness
- Co-Worker with God
- A teaching which gives knowledge of both the light and sound which
contains the total sum of all teaching emanating from God
- The key to success in unfolding all spiritual powers
- The Ancient Science of Soul Travel
- Projection of the inner consciousness
That's straight out of the Eckankar Dictionary btw, Copyright 1973, and my
book published in 1986.
Anyway, it appears to me that it is NOT a name for God. But, I would suggest
that if it was a name for God, it would belong to God, and not to the Sikhs.
Whatever belongs to God, I would also imagine belongs to us, all people, all
Souls. That was what I was getting at re the Universal truth coming forward
in many "forms" throughout time, and repeatedly so.
If ECKANKAR was Paul Twitchell's "creation" then it belonged to him as the
creator, and as the creator he had every right to do with it as he pleased.
He chose to give it away. That means he gave it away to a Board of
Trustee's, and now they are responsible for it and the direction in which it
goes according to the terms laid down when it was created. It was all done
by agreement, and continues to be so.
ECKists since 1965 have chosen to join and learn from what Paul created and
gave away, that is our choice, not of Paul Twitchell's making, and today
those choices are not of Sri Harold Klemp's making either, imho.
Stay or go, is what the Master has said, on more than one occasion. My
choice, your choice, and it always was.
Eckankar is a hierarchial organisation with the Living ECK Master at the top
of the pyramid working in harmony with the Board of Trustee's. When people
agree to join as a student/member they are making an agreement that this is
so, whether they totally realise that at the time or not.
Members have no automatic "rights" to suggest the teaching, as given out by
the Living ECK Master is in error or should be changed. That's how I see it
anyhow.
> He had no right to pervert it. It would be
> like taking HU and calling IT, HU - The religion of Light and Sound. HK
> needs to take a few more right turns to get back home to the source of
> these words. This isn't universal truth sticking it head up over and over
> and over again in all sorts of forms, its perverting a name of God into a
> Corporate word Inc.
>
You're entitled to your opinion of these matters. I don't agree that things
are as simple as you describe in the above paragraph. I hope I have
provided a bit more information that can help you work through this.
It's certainly not easy, and it's ok to get things ass up every now and
then. Hey, I have made that an art in my journey to date. ;-))
Whilst hanging out here creating heaps of karma, I have learnt an amazing
amount about the history of Eckankar and the teachings at all sorts of
levels. I'm unsure if I personally could have got all that being anywhere
else.
Good luck finding what you need.
With Love in ECK
Sean
sean
fwiw from the Eckankar Dictionary printed 1986
Fisrt Page after copyright notice
"The ECKANKAR Dictionary was researched and compiled from the works of Paul
Twitchell listed below. Pronounciations and meanings are given as used in
ECKANKAR and are not to be confused with pronunciations and meanings of
other paths or languages."
Couldnt see anything about "original dictionary declared the language" in
the book.
Cheers
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@aloha.net Rich
"surmaddream" <surma...@hu.com> wrote
It's even more perverse to allude that Eckankar makes any claims to
these words. Eckankar uses different words to impart different meaning.
> To state that there true meanings have been lost,
Strawman...
> then restate your definition for profit
It's telling about people who focus on money in attempting to diminish
and attack Eckankar. Especially when Eckankar didn't make any money from
these words in the first place. When looking in the mirror, what do
they see > ego is the breaking of the most sacred of all tenets of
> spiritually. Those shall be known as the great detractors to heaven
> and they shall inherit their own sacred cows, the eating of bitter
> grass, the light of deception and the sound of constant language.
Did those groups make a claim to the words for profit when they had
taken and modified them from others that came before?
Forgetting the nonsense I'll expand the Subject.
http://www.allthenamesofgod.com/
http://www.drjoshuadavidstone.com/72mantras.htm
http://www.arthafez.com/Gallery/99_Names_of_Allah/Thumbnails/01.htm
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@aloha.net Rich
Sean wrote:
> "surmaddream" <surma...@hu.com> wrote
> > Sean writes:
> > So, do we now get a treatise on the use of the TRINITY as it was
used in
> > the more ancient religions before Christianity picked it up in 200's
AD
> > ???
> >
> > Huh?
> >
> > Amazing how universal truth keeps sticking it head up over and over
and
> > over again in all sorts of forms isn't it?
> > **************
> >
> > Sean you give the trinity talk.
>
> I don't I need to, or want to. It's already included as part of the
works of
> Eckankar, plus the story is available across the world.
>
> > All I know is ekankar doesn't belong to
> > us. It's a name for GOD. It belongs to SIKHISM and Paul changed the
> > meaning to fit his creation.
>
> Did you mean "eckankar" or "ekankar" or "ekonkar" or "ikonkar"
or Ek-Omkar... We know Eckankar came last but which of the four came
first? Who "preverted' the first one, and the third one from that
and...<G> and does God care?
> eg http://www.stormcity.com/ikonkar/ Apparently even the Sikhs can't
agree.
> ;-)
Nice music.
> fwiw ECKANKAR means:
>
> - The Path of Total Awareness
> - Co-Worker with God
> - A teaching which gives knowledge of both the light and sound which
> contains the total sum of all teaching emanating from God
> - The key to success in unfolding all spiritual powers
> - The Ancient Science of Soul Travel
> - Projection of the inner consciousness
None of which surmad dreams those words mean. Thanks Sean. `
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Plachowitz
a particular language either. Pronunciations were done by linguist Dr.
Frederick Foos; research and compilation of definitions were by Frances
C. Parsons and further research with editing was done Sandra Goff and
Helen Baird. Somewhere in the ECK works Paulji says something about the
Pali language. I believe he was talking about the history of it
compared to Sanskrit. I am guessing I read it in ECKANKAR: Key to
Secret Worlds. Plachowitz
sean
Yeah that sounds about right. Don't have the KTSW anymore, it grew legs like
many books do. ;-))
btw intersting snippet of info about Thai and Pali ...... I didn;t know
that.
Cheers
surmaddream
>Forgetting the nonsense I'll expand the Subject.
*********
So what you are doing by your reply is creating nonsense? Stop, Stop ego
will speak I'll expand the Subject. <LO?>
EKANKAR - A Name for God taken and perverted by PT for his matrix of your
God. In my talks with Surmad he finds it offensive that such a thing
would be done with a name IT loved. The One, Oneness nice sound? Ha.....
Try chanting ekomkar which is ekankar just used when spoken with the
voice.
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@aloha.net Rich
"surmaddream" <surma...@hu.com> wrote
What's all this got to do with the links I posted to try and expand the
Subject? Nothing. It's only contracting back to the original nonsense
of trying to contract Eckankar backwards into other teachings. That was
already addressed in the previous post which was snipped from this
pseudo reply.
surmaddream
charged words origins are. Even our own writings have been twisted, edit
it and pervert it into a non-original word meanings. Folks I love the
approach but what are we doing? We're excepting things on faith. Read
a little Ron Hubbard and discover how the mind controls our very actions.
There more love in knowing than in not understanding, even if the truth
hurts.
*
JS
surmaddream at surma...@hu.com wrote on 11/18/04 12:15 pm:
Surmad, if I may...
The word Eckankar has an ancient etymology, and as you say, its
ancestor-words mean something like "One Reality" or "One Oneness" or One
God" or "The One Life Breath". What really counts is the timeless meaning
behind words, and it is the meaning that no one "owns", since the meaning
pre-exists both owning and speaking.
Any word or words pointing to that meaning can, however, be owned, borrowed,
bought, or sold by the individual experiencer of that meaning. And that
would be anyone.
Nanak wrote the Jap-Ji of the Guru Granth Sahib and began it with something
usually transliterated as ik-oNkaar. But that word itself speaks of a
greater word: The Word. There is little special about whatever word or words
we use to describe or convey That Wordless Word Itself. It Itself is the
only truly special Word.
You certainly can't get a more timeless meaning than the meaning of "One
Oneness", but how we evolve words to describe that is a matter of social
interaction and consciousness, and personal creativity. That's what words
are for.
But the words are not timeless. Words are ephemeral, always changing, always
sprouting new branches, new leaves, new fruit.
The many words themselves are not truths. The many words themselves are just
handles. Create a handle, and it's yours, if you want it. Or if someone else
creates a handle, it's theirs if they want it. It is the wordless truths
behind the words that no one can call their own, because they belong to
everyone.
All words derive from the Same One Word, and some of them have been
registered as a trademark and/or defined specifically within a teaching or
business, like "Coca-Cola" or "Budweiser" or "Atom" or "Eckankar", but the
fact is that all these words are derivatives, or "perversions" of The Word.
That includes "Eckankar" and that includes all its ancient derivatives. It
even includes "HU", which, like "OM", is also a derivative of The Original
Word. No word is holy any more than it is profane.
The true name of God can't be perverted, because it can't even be thought,
much less uttered. The rest is just a crazy, convoluted dream.
You use the word "Surmad" as your online moniker. I believe I remember that
you identify yourself as "Degar", as well. Either of these words/names are
"yours" if you choose them or find yourself in them, or find them in you,
but they are still derivatives of older and more pure words. And they in
turn are derived from still more pure words. And on and on and on. And who
knows how many others call themselves "Surmad" or "Degar"? But the truth of
you is still you, right?
--JS
surmaddream
make a couple of responds to your words and I place no energy in my words
but compassion and kindness?
The word Eckankar has an ancient etymology. I do not really see Eckankar
as having an ancient etymology, nor was that stated. Eckankar etymology
began around 1965.
Eckankar dictionary defines it as 'co-worker with God' today it has become
an 'co-worker for the Org'. Ekankar as defined by SIKHISM is a name or a
chant, which brings you to a point of understand the tri-nature of word
ek-an(om)-kar. My point is that all life is vibration, change the
frequency and vibration changes.
HU is the only word Paul or Eckankar didn't copyright or change for that I
am truely thankful. What I have found is that HU has been pervert in a
couple ways. 1) HU is a Love Song to God, when HU is Love Song From God
or HU is HU. 2) All sound produced with the voice is AUM. HU was never
mean't to be chanted out loud and if chant out loud it is only the OM at a
higher tone. HU is always just behind the AUM in this world, sitting,
waiting, ever present. The hearing of HU inside is true, the outer
sound of HU is AUM a reflection. HU is not a group thing, it is the
listening to thy beloved nature showing us, US.
>The true name of God can't be perverted, because it >can't even be
thought, much less uttered.
I agree as to what you state above.
>The rest is just a crazy, convoluted dream.
A dream yes, convoluted ????
******
>You use the word "Surmad" as your online moniker. I >believe I remember
that you identify yourself as >"Degar", as well. Either of these
words/names are >"yours" if you choose them or find yourself in them, or
>find them in you, but they are still derivatives of older >and more pure
words.
*****
I don't make money from them, nor have I changed Degar to Dear or Surmad
to Sugmad.
My question is 'Do see man moving forward or backwards?' If you answer is
backwards then it could just be his perversions of sacred and holy trusts
are being perverted or destroyed, much like Tibet.
Finally I do believe that Paul used many of best ideas and words from all
religions, that is the secret power of the path of total awareness isn't
it now JS.
*
surmaddream
make a couple of responds to your words and I place no energy in my words
but compassion and kindness?
The word Eckankar has an ancient etymology. I do not really see Eckankar
as having an ancient etymology, nor was that stated. Eckankar etymology
began around 1965.
Eckankar dictionary defines it as 'co-worker with God' today it has become
an 'co-worker for the Org'. Ekankar as defined by SIKHISM is a name or a
chant, which brings you to a point of understand the tri-nature of word
ek-an(om)-kar. My point is that all life is vibration, change the
frequency and vibration changes.
HU is the only word Paul or Eckankar didn't copyright or change for that I
am truely thankful. What I have found is that HU has been pervert in a
couple ways. 1) HU is a Love Song to God, when HU is Love Song From God
or HU is HU. 2) All sound produced with the voice is AUM. HU was never
mean't to be chanted out loud and if chant out loud it is only the OM at a
higher tone. HU is always just behind the AUM in this world, sitting,
waiting, ever present. The hearing of HU inside is true, the outer
sound of HU is AUM a reflection. HU is not a group thing, it is the
listening to thy beloved nature showing us, US.
>The true name of God can't be perverted, because it >can't even be
thought, much less uttered.
I agree as to what you state above.
>The rest is just a crazy, convoluted dream.
A dream yes, convoluted ????
******
>You use the word "Surmad" as your online moniker. I >believe I remember
that you identify yourself as >"Degar", as well. Either of these
words/names are >"yours" if you choose them or find yourself in them, or
>find them in you, but they are still derivatives of older >and more pure
words.
cher
use. It's not any more complex then this, actually. The idea that
there's specific words that are allowed to be charged appears to me to
be a trap of sorts. Where they originate from and how they change over
lifetimes is not an indication of something menacing, but rather an
idication of changing consciousness from where i view this issue. But
that's just my humble opinion.... :-)
JS
surmaddream at surma...@hu.com wrote on 11/19/04 10:35 pm:
> JS think you for your kind words and I have taken them to heart. If I may
> make a couple of responds to your words and I place no energy in my words
> but compassion and kindness?
>
Hey, think you, too. ;-)
> The word Eckankar has an ancient etymology. I do not really see Eckankar
> as having an ancient etymology, nor was that stated. Eckankar etymology
> began around 1965.
>
> Eckankar dictionary defines it as 'co-worker with God' today it has become
> an 'co-worker for the Org'.
There's a truth in that, but there's Eckankar, and then there's Eckankar...
> Ekankar as defined by SIKHISM is a name or a
> chant, which brings you to a point of understand the tri-nature of word
> ek-an(om)-kar.
I respect your opinions here, but I am neither a Sikh nor an Eckist, so I
don't necessarily buy into any of that. Neither do I assume that because
it's older, it's truer. Neither do I assume that because it's newer, it's
truer. Gold is gold.
Let's extrapolate by imagination and intuition, rather than interpolate from
logic, doctrine, or even evidence. The extremes are not what they seem.
> My point is that all life is vibration, change the
> frequency and vibration changes.
And of course I agree with your point. But frequencies and vibrations all
arise within our form-perception and form-experience of the formless -- so,
in a way, they're all equal energies.
> HU is the only word Paul or Eckankar didn't copyright or change for that I
> am truely thankful. What I have found is that HU has been pervert in a
> couple ways. 1) HU is a Love Song to God, when HU is Love Song From God
> or HU is HU. 2) All sound produced with the voice is AUM. HU was never
> mean't to be chanted out loud and if chant out loud it is only the OM at a
> higher tone. HU is always just behind the AUM in this world, sitting,
> waiting, ever present. The hearing of HU inside is true, the outer
> sound of HU is AUM a reflection. HU is not a group thing, it is the
> listening to thy beloved nature showing us, US.
>
>> The true name of God can't be perverted, because it >can't even be
> thought, much less uttered.
> I agree as to what you state above.
>
>> The rest is just a crazy, convoluted dream.
> A dream yes, convoluted ????
>
Well, OK, how about this:
Convoluted beautifully and perfectly (disregarding a Pythagorean comma).
> ******
>> You use the word "Surmad" as your online moniker. I >believe I remember
> that you identify yourself as >"Degar", as well. Either of these
> words/names are >"yours" if you choose them or find yourself in them, or
>> find them in you, but they are still derivatives of older >and more pure
> words.
> *****
> I don't make money from them, nor have I changed Degar to Dear or Surmad
> to Sugmad.
>
Money does not pervert energy, any more than a handshake perverts
friendship.
> My question is 'Do see man moving forward or backwards?' If you answer is
> backwards then it could just be his perversions of sacred and holy trusts
> are being perverted or destroyed, much like Tibet.
>
I guess you could say I don't really care if a man, or mankind, is moving
forwards or backwards. It's only forwards or backwards within the context of
the dream of forgetting.
> Finally I do believe that Paul used many of best ideas and words from all
> religions, that is the secret power of the path of total awareness isn't
> it now JS.
>
It's the Baby within the bathwater.
And total awareness is the Soul within the Baby.
--JS
> *
>
surmaddream
"Preach the gospel at all times.
Use words if necessary."
~ St. Francis of Assisi
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cher
Those who love, give.
JS
surmaddream at surma...@hu.com wrote on 11/21/04 8:02 pm:
> JS had heard this a long time ago and thought you may like it, it fits.
>
No, I (JS) had not heard it before. But, thanks!
> "Preach the gospel at all times.
> Use words if necessary."
>
> ~ St. Francis of Assisi
>
> *
>
Preaching the presence is practicing the absence.
Therefore: "Shut up!"
(Verily say I unto I)
--JS
sean
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> Those who can't love, preach
> Those who love, give.
>
cher
>
> "cher" <gruen...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
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> > Those who can't love, preach
> > Those who love, give.
> >
> and give, and give, and give, and keep on giving. ;-))
.....there you go! That's the whole key. <smiling>
surmaddream
; )
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Leaf
som...@microsoft.com wrote on 11/22/04 5:49 PM:
God has no names. Eckankar is just a label someone caame up with.
I like to call it the nameless, which is just another name, but at least it
reminds one that god has no names.
Leaf
James
originated with some primitive man a million years ago grunting at the
sun. You can take any word (make one up), give it your personal meaning,
and if enough people believe in it (give it energy), it will become
charged too!
James
Ken
"James" <j...@fromvenus.com> wrote ...
>
> Leaf wrote:
>
>> God has no names. Eckankar is just a label someone caame up with.
>>
>> I like to call it the nameless, which is just another name, but at least it
>> reminds one that god has no names.
>>
>> Leaf
>
>I agree with you. These so-called 'charged' names etc. could have originated with some primitive
>man a million years ago grunting at the sun. You can take any word (make one up), give it your
>personal meaning, and if enough people believe in it (give it energy), it will become charged too!
That's probably the most accepted way to look at mantras. Is there
any way to prove this theory?
Alternatively, I could say that mantras are inherently special and that
they are discovered, the way one discovers anything of value. This
could be equally true.
Michael Wallace
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Hya Ken,
Can't speak for ALL Mantra but something few people know, and which I only
discovered a couple of years ago is that Mantrum like "Om Mane Padre Hum"
came about because of the invasion of India by some "Pol Pot" type of regime
that killed intellectuals.
The words "Om Mane Padre Hum" are a Vedic Math Sutra that is the
mathematical equation for "Pi"
All the ancient Vedic Chants are mthematical equations and all the drawn
symbols (Like the "om" sign) are also Mathematical equations. So maybe there
is more to these Mantra than meets the eye??
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"Michael Wallace" <yoyoe...@waffle.com.au> wrote ...
Maybe so. That sounds very cool, if it is true. I find myself
wondering though how these mathematical formulas are
encoded in words. And I wonder if the mathematical aspects are
something that was designed, or just happened syncronisticly.
(Not to say that it isn't exactly the way you say it is ;-)
Ken
>>>>> Can't speak for ALL Mantra but something few people know, and which I
>>> only discovered a couple of years ago is that Mantrum like "Om Mane Padre Hum" came about
>>> because of the invasion of India by some "Pol Pot" type of regime that killed intellectuals.
>>>
>>> The words "Om Mane Padre Hum" are a Vedic Math Sutra that is the mathematical equation for "Pi"
>>>
>>> All the ancient Vedic Chants are mthematical equations and all the drawn symbols (Like the "om"
>>> sign) are also Mathematical equations. So maybe there is more to these Mantra than meets the
>>> eye??
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>> Maybe so. That sounds very cool, if it is true. I find myself
>> wondering though how these mathematical formulas are
>> encoded in words. And I wonder if the mathematical aspects are
>> something that was designed, or just happened syncronisticly.
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>> (Not to say that it isn't exactly the way you say it is ;-)
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> instance, There is a song for everything. The reason was that written works could cause a person
> to be killed, so it all had to be retained in song.
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> The difference between Vedic Math and western Math is that the Vedic system looks at the PATTERN
> of number. I have seen a fellow do what was an 87 line equation in Western Math in a single line,
> and do it BACKWARDS in under a minute on a blackboard in front of people.
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> He stressed that he was just a beginner, that's why it took him so long <G>
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> The Pattern of Number never changes, and the Patterns are specific codes. Rather than
> multiplying, dividing, adding and subtracting, Vedic Math processes according to Sutras. All the
> Vedic Chants are related to these original sutras.
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> I did not get into it fully, as the books I ordered never arrived, but what I did see was a
> fascinating, revitalized ways of approaching number. The PATTERN gives the answer. The Numbers
> present the facts, but it is the Pattern in the facts that distills, rather than analyses, the
> answer. That is the best way i can describe my understanding of this mathematical system... It
> DISTILLS an answer from facts.
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> I am not sure of the exact connection between the Vedic Chants and the Sutras. The fellow who
> introduced this all to me said that his teacher, who was one of the leading Vedic Mathematician
> in India, pointed it out to him. I think the American land-sculpture (He scuplts the land)
> Witherspoon (as I recall) uses the Vedic Patterns in his work to extraordinary effect.
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> Anyways... I think www.vedicmath.org is a good place to start if you are interested in following
> it all up.
I'm not particularly interested in math and find numbers to be kind of
tedious to tell you the truth. It's funny. In college I was excellent in
accounting even though I had absolutely no interest in it. The idea of a
mathematical system that completely diverges from the western style is
intriguing. But I suspect that I won't get into it because of the near
antipathy I feel towards working with numbers that aren't in a
spreadsheet. At any rate I went to that web site and couldn't make heads
or tales out of it in the short 5 minutes I was willing to give it. Maybe
it's a past life thing, I don't know <G>
Michael Wallace
"Ken" <kah...@att.not> wrote in message
Vedic Math is ALL song. The Sutra is a math "song" that describes the way
"The Vedas are ancient holy texts from India than can be legitimately
characterized as the all-encompassing repository of (Hindu) knowledge from
eons past. The term Vedic Mathematics refers to a set of sixteen
mathematical formulae or sutras and their corollaries derived from the
Vedas. The sixteen sutras are:
1.. Ekadhikena Purvena
2.. Nikhilam Navatashcaramam Dashatah
3.. Urdhva-tiryagbhyam
4.. Paraavartya Yojayet
5.. Shunyam Saamyasamuccaye
6.. (Anurupye) Shunyamanyat
7.. Sankalana-vyavakalanabhyam
8.. Puranapuranabhyam
9.. Chalana-Kalanabhyam
10.. Yaavadunam
11.. Vyashtisamanshtih
12.. Shesanyankena Charamena
13.. Sopaantyadvayamantyam
14.. Ekanynena Purvena
15.. Gunitasamuchyah
16.. Gunakasamuchyah "
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"Ken" <kah...@att.not> wrote in message
Hey... You and I both...
But I am assured that once you get past the language aspect, it is pretty
simple. Friends who did get into it got really pissed off that Math was made
SO difficult, when it could have been so easy. Curiously, the German
education system incorporates "Number Pattern" math in their kindergarden
schools.
In India, apparently they have 5 year old kids doing complex equations ...
It is easier for them, because they lean the song, and apply it as they
go... and the whole thing unravels itself.
I noted how EK in Pail means One... So on that alone you find pieces of the
words Paul used scattered throughout. I recall where Rebazar refers to
Mathematics as a way to get to Soul.
When the book falls into my hands, I will see how I cope then <G>
Love
Michael
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