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Etznab

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Aug 5, 2016, 4:20:00 PM8/5/16
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"The Order of the Vairagi is the only pure line of spiritual Masters in the world. Although I did not go into any of the very ancient periods of Lemuria or Atlantis, nevertheless, the living ECK Masters were prominent. Some persons have tried to identify the Masters with other ancient cults but they must always remember that ECK is the pure line, the original source out of which all life, religions and philosophies have sprung. Once they accept this, then all things fall into line. Every religion, every cult, and every philosophy is only an echo or mirror of ECKANKAR."

[Based on: The Spiritual Notebook, by Paul Twitchell [d. 1971], Original copyright 1971, 10th printing 1983, p. 196]

Here is part of what I found about those claims by Paul Twitchell.

The Spiritual Notebook includes:

"Although I did not go into any of the very ancient periods of Lemuria or Atlantis, nevertheless, the living ECK Masters were prominent."

However, The Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad, Book One (original copyright 1970), mentions ECK Master Malati [first ECK Master of record], Kai-Kuas [during the 2nd root race, the Hyperboreans], Geutan [during the 3rd root race, the Lemurians], Castrog [during the 4th root race, the Atlantean], and Rama (sounds like Ramaj) during the 5th root race, the Aryan.

Etznab

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Aug 5, 2016, 4:38:27 PM8/5/16
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What others have said. Including ...

1.) Doug Marman:

"... Paul was bringing to ECKANKAR a freedom from past traditions while incorporating the elements from them that were vital. The concept of spiritual lineage was important, but the restrictions, traditions and worship that go along with physical lineage was not. Therefore, Paul described the spiritual line of ECK Masters, not for its historical accuracy based upon historical records, but to show that as the Sufis say there is always one who is the spiritual Pole of the world, and this light has passed from continent to continent, from race to race, from culture to culture, down through time. ... ."

[Based on: http://www.littleknownpubs.com/Dialog_Ch_Five.htm (Copyright 2000)]

2.) Ford Johnson:

"[....] Paul's lineage of Eck Masters was indeed mysterious. He was forced to construct a history for himself worthy of the standard he had set. Paul's great misfortune was that he wrote his numerous books at the dawn of the computer age. How could he have known the ease with which information could be checked and challenged, and the truth disseminated to millions at the push of a button? Most religions ... have hundreds if not thousands of years to create and bury the truth of their origins. In time, myth circulates as truth, and there is little opportunity to challenge it. This is not the case for Paul Twitchell and Eckankar. ... ."

[Based on: Confessions of a God Seeker, A Journey to Higher Consciousness, by Ford Johnson, Copyright 2003, p. 110]

Speaking about the Eck Master Dayaka.

"Ramaj was one of the first initiates in the ancient Order of the Vairagi. Before him was Dayaka, who was a great ECK Master in Lemuria. Then there was Kassapa, the living ECK Master who preceded the antediluvian disaster of Atlantis. The line can be traced all the way back to Gakko who came out of the heart of God into this world about six million years ago. The whole line of ECK Masters has descended from him in an unbroken lineage."

[Based on: The Spiritual Notebook, by Paul Twitchell [d. 1971], 10th printing 1983, pp. 196-197]

"Morimitsu tells of ECK Master Dayaka, who shares the tale of Gakko on Venus."

http://www.abebooks.com/9781570430589/Company-Eck-Masters-Real-Life-Experiences-1570430586/plp

"Gakko" was described as a state of consciousness in Paul Twitchell's Eckankar dictionary. However, the Spiritual Notebook mentions a "him".

Henosis Sage

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Aug 5, 2016, 9:04:39 PM8/5/16
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Twitchell was a liar and a fraud.
Klemp is a liar and a fraud.
Marman is a disordered fool, a liar and a fraud.
Morimitsu the same.

Matthew Sharpe, well he's just an idiot.

Henosis Sage

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Aug 5, 2016, 9:22:56 PM8/5/16
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On Saturday, 6 August 2016 06:38:27 UTC+10, Etznab wrote:
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Btw, The Finding Truth section includes:

"[...] You're going to hear so many different versions of what is truth and
what is not that finally you can't believe anyone. This is good, because it
puts the responsibility back upon you to learn how to get the answer for
yourself. Otherwise, you're just going to have to take someone else's word
for it -- and this is not a position you want to be in as a person who's
looking for spiritual freedom. [... .]"

http://www.eckankar.org/Masters/Peddar/writings.html

Booyah!


Screw you Harold.

How can people get the right answers for themselves when it is YOU who is
intentionally hiding those very answers from them under lock and key?

Lying manipulative little creep that you are Harold.

Kinpa

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Aug 6, 2016, 9:24:07 AM8/6/16
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No, that is you looking into your black etznab again.....

Kinpa

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Aug 6, 2016, 9:24:45 AM8/6/16
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And this is an example of the same......enjoy the fruits of your labors! I certainly will!

Henosis Sage

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Aug 6, 2016, 11:19:13 AM8/6/16
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Hoi, nutcase, you're a disgusting lying whore, enjoy the fruits of thine own
labour .... while you continue to pretend and deny it.

The lying manipulative little evil creep that you are Matthew.

Kinpa

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Aug 6, 2016, 12:08:25 PM8/6/16
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Nice delusions....enjoy your own ye who have NO say or right in handing anyone karma! What a joke!

Henosis Sage

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Aug 6, 2016, 7:51:45 PM8/6/16
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Fuckwit

Kinpa

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Aug 6, 2016, 9:26:45 PM8/6/16
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You have every right to be...if you choose to waste your time that way

Henosis Sage

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Aug 7, 2016, 12:37:29 AM8/7/16
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Idiot

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