Recent Updates on the Twitchell Eckankar history archive

[Peetee Aitchei]

Recent Updates on the TEHA


TEHA Main Directory with Spiritual Research Library Directory links

(Jacob) Paul Twitchell 1909–1971 Timeline of events

[TEHA 2014] From a not knower to knowing some things - the Making of an Archive

Copyright Published Dates of Twitchell's Eckankar Bibliography (booklets books discourses)

Timeline of major Eckankar publications by Paul Twitchell

[TEHA 2014] PLAGIARISM by Paul Twitchell Listed by Author Book Movement

[PTHA 2012] (Jacob) Paul Twitchell Family Genealogy and American History

[TEHA 2014] A Biography of Jacob Paul Twitchell 1909-1971

[TEHA 2014] Files about Patti Simpson-Rivinus on Paul Twitchell, Eckankar, the 'spiritual path'

Using the Paul Twitchell Eckankar archive as a history research tool

2014-12 alt.religion.eckankar › Living what ... living History (Patti Simpson)

2014-04 The Difference Between Spirituality and Religion by Doug Marman

2014-12 Ekankar Origins (etymology use of the word) from RS & Sikh sources

2014-01 Origins of the word Ekankar and the HU by James Bean (Radhasoami)

2014-12 'Ik Onkar' 'Ek Onkar' 'Ekankar' 'Eckankar' and 'Marmankar'

Paul Twitchell as Self-described New Age Messiah - with References

2014-12 Derren Brown Fear & Faith TV Placebo effect NLP mastery




To see the above files, copy and paste the title into the Search Box at the

PAUL TWITCHELL ECKANKAR HISTORY ARCHIVE

Short URL http://goo.gl/bTUVSK



Season's Greetings from a Busy Beaver and a Wascally Wabbit

[Kinpa]

and you still use James Bean's origin of the word HU? seriously? that is not yet accurate being that it is first found in the Rig Veda and does not at all have any origins in Sufism. He did however listen to me and amend his words to an extent. make sure you have his recent update on the matter. In Sufism they use the Arabic word Hu, which is different than the Sanskrit word.the word has origins in either proto-Germanic or Sanskrit. this of course does not yet include the view that at one point in time the world spoke a single language, and there IS an ever growing body of evidence to support this "Tower of Babel idea. do the research and KNOW what you speak of rather than doing a half-assed job of it that supports your prejudiced view. get the etymology correct and accurate or you are spreading falsehoods just as you claim that Paul Twitchell did. abide by the standard you're holding him to or otherwise be discounted!

[Peetee Aitchei]

Two more ...

Marine Ways Paducah Jacob Howard Paul Twitchell 1902-1964 (to Today)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-M0yAR0UPhPNU54emxadGxPaHM&authuser=0

1954 Kirpal Singh Messages - Sawan Singh Kabir Nanak St Paul Hafiz Jesus Guru Arjuna Living Master (Copy)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B-M0yAR0UPhPdHhWbkI3QVdYejQ/view?usp=sharing

[Etznab]

The Eckankar website includes:

"Many Eckankar terms trace their historical roots to the Far East; however, they have their own meaning and application in Eckankar."

http://www.eckankar.org/FAQ/index.html#wherefrom

The meaning of Sanskrit "Hu", Arabic "Hu" and others may not match the way that Eckankar defines "Hu" today.

When Paul Twitchell wrote about "Hu" he apparently borrowed from Hazrat Inayat Khan's book and what it said about Hu.

[Etznab]

Hu was mentioned in the Paul Twitchell book: The Flute of God; believed written as early as 1959. Therefore, this was one of the earliest written sources about Hu by Paul Twitchell. One can compare what Paul wrote (and when) and what Hazrat Inayat Khan wrote (many years earlier than Paul).

Perhaps Paul believed that Hazrat Inayat Khan said it better than Paul could, so Paul copied it? IMO this is hardly evidence that Paul Twitchell learned about "Hu" (and many other things) outside of the public library. Also it is not necessarily hard evidence that this is what people believed in the ancient past.

As a sound, "hu" is a very common one. It could have had many meanings and not necessarily what the modern-day writers have made of it. This is a possibility.

[Kinpa]

do the research Richard....and do be sure not to drink too much tonite...most of your friends are quite the bunch of lushes ;) but you know that do you not?

[Etznab]

Excuse me? Am I listening to an Eckankar Higher Initiate and clergy member speaking to me in that tone of voice?

[Kinpa]

excuse me richard? i am curious as to how exactly you heard my typed words? and am i to understand that you believe that you "heard a tone" to my words that came from me? you must realize of course that the very idea is ridiculous, if you "heard a tone" it was the tone of your own prejudice speaking to your ears and had not one thing to do with me.

i must ask however, were you honest with the couple that hosted your party of friends last night? you DO realize that they know exactly who made that mess in the bathroom. both of you can rationalize all that you want to, but that will not change a thing. dont take my word for it, observe with your own eyes. you know what happens to you each week, as do i, and the same with your other friend here! how many months will it continue before you decide to see a doctor? what will you think if the prescription he gives you never works?

i have never told anyone my initiation, but i DO so enjoy the way yourself and Sean are SO enslaved by Eckankar, which you both HATE so strongly, and yet find yourselves powerless to walk away from! do you ever wonder about that? neither of you have said anything new about it, you just continue trying to extract proofs of things from plagiarisms, that do not prove anything BUT plagiarism.

of course you ARE free to view anything in any way you want to, thats why it is called free will, but insisting that plagiarisms prove the non existence of Masters is downright silly, equally as silly as Sean using Radhasoami to attempt to prove the same point. i have had, and continue to have experiences, and yet i have never met up with Shiv Dayal Singh...if he is such a huge and prominent figure in the reality of God/Radhasoami/or whatever NAME one wishes to use, would i not have met him by now? what about all of the other rumored masters of this and that or any other thing?

the point is a VERY simple one. a prejudiced mind can never perceive a thing that its prejudice will not allow to exist (in its perception)so the mind continues to rationalize and make excuses to explain away what i cannot explain.

all of which gives me absolutely no trouble, i dont have to deal with it! but you DO have to because you CANNOT be free of your accepted prejudices....it makes NO difference what spiritual path you were on, if you chose to not believe in the gurus or masters of another path, you would simply never see them, your mind would change the perceptions to turn that person into a figure it was more comfortable with ;) it isnt rocket science mister...i dare you however, just once....to walk away....show us all how great your need is NOT! IF you dare that is.... ;)

[Etznab]

I will rephrase the question for you.

"Excuse me? An Eckankar Higher Initiate and clergy member wrote those words to me?"

And btw, What did you mean by:

"Coffin, Pie Floater, or Blade Steak or Chuck Steak..."

and

"which shall it be for Christmas Eve dinner?? Happy Holidays everyone!!"

https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups&hl=en#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/0yZOjotIE3E

[Kinpa]

did you for some strange reason think that this was directed at you? it was not, believe it or not, the world doesn't revolve around you. in any case, a coffin and a floater pie are the exact same thing, and i think a blade steak or chuck steak speaks for themselves...they are cuts of meat...

[Etznab]

Who was it directed at?

[Kinpa]

On Monday, December 29, 2014 7:36:23 PM UTC-5, Peetee Aitchei wrote:

> RE "in any case, a coffin and a floater pie are the exact same thing"
>
> No they aren't. Wrong again diddums. Don't give up your day job of being a wanker.
>
> RE "did you for some strange reason think that this was directed at you?"
>
> Then who was it directed at and what did you actually mean by it?
>
> (rhetorical question, really do not care to know ..... gibberish is gibberish)

if you really dont care to know, why ever do you make a comment, methinks you are obviously lying to yourself again....a thing that is obvious to any that actually have an education in psychology...go back to your wikipedia definitions mister....enjoy those

[Kinpa]

does that really make any difference? no one ever claimed it was directed at anyone did they? but it certainly got reactions just the same...

[Etznab]

Kinpa suggests I don't drink too much and then comments about most of my friends.

"do the research Richard....and do be sure not to drink too much tonite...most of your friends are quite the bunch of lushes ;) but you know that do you not?"

When you take your screenshots, Kinpa, be sure to include my growing list of your behavior.

Not only did you come into a.r.e. insulting people, but you got personal and did so even when others were not doing those kind of things to you.

You know my friends, Kinpa? What then was the meaning of those remarks? And when you mentioned "drink", What sort of drink were you referring to?

Lots of stuff you spouted out I let go over the months. And because I remember having had decent and interesting conversations with you in the past. However, your intent to defame appears to be not only constant, but growing in intensity with time.

[Etznab]

So I addressed you about what you said. And how did you respond? You just went and continued with more of the same; which evidences a patter and cruel intent on your part.

"excuse me richard? i am curious as to how exactly you heard my typed words? and am i to understand that you believe that you 'heard a tone' to my words that came from me? you must realize of course that the very idea is ridiculous, if you 'heard a tone' it was the tone of your own prejudice speaking to your ears and had not one thing to do with me.

"i must ask however, were you honest with the couple that hosted your party of friends last night? you DO realize that they know exactly who made that mess in the bathroom. both of you can rationalize all that you want to, but that will not change a thing. dont take my word for it, observe with your own eyes. you know what happens to you each week, as do i, and the same with your other friend here! how many months will it continue before you decide to see a doctor? what will you think if the prescription he gives you never works?"

Couple that hosted my party?

Mess in the bathroom?

There you go talking shit again. A clear pattern on your part.

I admit that Sean is not me and he has treated you differently. But Sean was not born in the U.S.A. (that I know of) and maybe they just don't so much take shit from people over there in Australia without letting the other person know what they think about it; in no uncertain terms. However, I must honestly say that your language here rivals even that of J.R. And given the pattern and trend I could say it is even more insidious.

This is your service to Eckankar? Talking about messes in other people's pants? Insulting their friends and making up stories to degrade their characters?

[Etznab]

Kinpa says what he wants. Erroneous statements about people and later suggests his abilities at remote viewing. I see very little responsibility on his part when the people he makes accusations about publicly state to him that his predictions (whatever) are wrong and after they express displeasure at his actions and tell him so.

Kinpa continues to do and say what he wants, dismissing what he has done as if to deny it altogether. This is what I see going on here.

Numerous examples of plagiarism credited to ancient masters and he says that it only proves plagiarism. My point being that many discussions have filled this group where people are exploring suspicions of fictions. That Kinpa, as part of his arguments, would repeatedly create fictions and flaunt them at other people here imho shows that he has no respect for other participants here who are and have been discussing the topics of plagiarism, etc.

Look at the examples and the word for word matches. Then ask yourself if that was really an Eck Master speaking to Paul Twitchell the same things. Typos and all! And if you conclude that it was not an Eck Master, but plagiarism, then tell me how plagiarism amounts to an Eck Master.

O.K.? Fair enough? I'm asking to see what is your viewpoint about this.

[Kinpa]

On Friday, June 12, 2015 at 5:27:38 AM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:

> On Friday, 12 June 2015 15:26:05 UTC+10, Henosis Sage wrote:
> Recent Updates on the TEHA
>
>
> TEHA Main Directory with Spiritual Research Library Directory links
>
> (Jacob) Paul Twitchell 1909–1971 Timeline of events
>
> [TEHA 2014] From a not knower to knowing some things - the Making of an Archive
>
> Copyright Published Dates of Twitchell's Eckankar Bibliography (booklets books discourses)
>
> Timeline of major Eckankar publications by Paul Twitchell
>
> [TEHA 2014] PLAGIARISM by Paul Twitchell Listed by Author Book Movement
>
> [PTHA 2012] (Jacob) Paul Twitchell Family Genealogy and American History
>
> [TEHA 2014] A Biography of Jacob Paul Twitchell 1909-1971
>
> [TEHA 2014] Files about Patti Simpson-Rivinus on Paul Twitchell, Eckankar, the 'spiritual path'
>
> Using the Paul Twitchell Eckankar archive as a history research tool
>
> 2014-12 alt.religion.eckankar › Living what ... living History (Patti Simpson)
>
> 2014-04 The Difference Between Spirituality and Religion by Doug Marman
>
> 2014-12 Ekankar Origins (etymology use of the word) from RS & Sikh sources
>
> 2014-01 Origins of the word Ekankar and the HU by James Bean (Radhasoami)
>
> 2014-12 'Ik Onkar' 'Ek Onkar' 'Ekankar' 'Eckankar' and 'Marmankar'
>
> Paul Twitchell as Self-described New Age Messiah - with References
>
> 2014-12 Derren Brown Fear & Faith TV Placebo effect NLP mastery
>
>
>
>
> To see the above files, copy and paste the title into the Search Box at the
>
> PAUL TWITCHELL ECKANKAR HISTORY ARCHIVE
>
> Short URL http://goo.gl/bTUVSK
>
>
>
> Season's Greetings from a Busy Beaver and a Wascally Wabbit

Why is the PTHA all private now? Hiding something??? Many files are no longer there...why did you remove them???

[Etznab]

Hiding from the remote viewer???

[Kinpa]

Not at all! They are simply no longer there is what the case is...seanie-boy never actually looks or checks there....just as he never hired any American attorny and didn't do more than think about writing Eckankar...I invite him to do so if he wants to...but that will never excuse him from thieving and plagiarizing an original piece of writing from my site...you still going to defend his doing that? It IS pretty hilarious that he got caught plagiarizing...how many other double standards do you two employ?

[Kinpa]

On Friday, June 26, 2015 at 12:40:16 AM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:
> GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY SPACE NOW
>
> "In Eckankar we refer to this as the Law of Non-Interference,
> which states " Anyone who uses any means of change or
> influence on another's mind, including prayer, is violating a
> LAW of spiritual consciousness." *
>
> "A person's space is no different than a home owned by one,
> no one can enter it unless first invited or allowed by the owner,
> and any who enter under any other circumstance, is a CRIMINAL."
>
> Copied, plagiarised, written by KINPA aka Matt Sharpe
> aka A Compulsive Lying Manipulator & Abuser & a
> Delusional Psychotic Dishonest Nutcase and Idiot!!!
>
> 3. Psychic Space and the Law of Non-Interference (c) 2014 - Matt Sharpe
> (via the Light Force Network ...)
>
> One thing that can often make for problematic situations amongst groups of people is the idea of, or lack of, recognized psychic space by which is meant the emotional and varying mental aspects of space, both on the inner planes and relating states of consciousness, as well as the inner states of every human being in the Physical Realm. The boundaries of these are often not recognized or shared between any group in particular, and that only becomes harder between different groups of people, one often refusing to respect the space and freedom of choice, as well as the basic right to make a choice of any other. In Eckankar we refer to this as the Law of Non-Interference, which states " Anyone who uses any means of change or influence on another's mind, including prayer, is violating a law of spiritual consciousness." *
>
> A person's space is no different than a home owned by one, no one can enter it unless first invited or allowed by the owner, and any who enter under any other circumstance, is a criminal. And this works to the same extent in reverse. It can be said that a person's space extends right out to the point where another's begins. Any individual who is minding their own business, and is not stepping out into another's, may do as they see fit, so long as it harms no other. A situation where a person wants another to do a thing that they have said no to, who then proceeds to attempt to talk the person into doing that thing, is quite literally attempting mind control. There are no exceptions within that framework. Not many would recognize such a simple, everyday situation such as that as being an attempt at mind control until it is done to themselves, where it suddenly becomes far more obvious.
>
> One who has perceptive "gifts", that can perceive more deeply than the average person must also be very careful not to invade another's space without first gaining permission. While they might well have a flow of information incoming that can be turned off, also if one hasn't yet learned how to do that, the very least they can do is be respectful and remain silent. Not everything that comes in necessarily needs to be said aloud. This is often a matter of self-control, and if one says something that causes a disturbance, they may find themselves rightfully to blame for that.
>
> In any such case where one's psychic space has been invaded, there will always be a karmic debt incurred. This is simply another way of saying that that individual that used the invasive behavior has chosen to learn the principles of the lesson in a harder way, one that is generally referred to as "bad" karma. When this happens, the individual themselves have made and are responsible for, the choice that brought the karma into being. Because of this, they and they alone can re-balance the scales, and in every case, the way this occurs is by completing the cycle of karma and learning the lesson, also putting into being a more evolved choice which proves the lesson has indeed been learned. Thenceforth the individual can recognize the same circumstances in a great many situations and have better options to deal with them and by doing that, avoid a cycle of repeating the same mistakes.
>
> Where the psychic space of others and the Law of Non-Interference are concerned, the Golden Rule definitely applies: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." And after applying the Law of Karma to it, one might add to the quote: "Because they WILL!" Those that consistently indulge themselves in following a double standard will undoubtedly find that karmic law is very detailed and accurate. It cannot be dodged or outrun, and it never falls victim to trickery and cannot be deceived.
>
> A thing as simple as talking someone into something, is nothing less than an attempt at mind control as well as an invasion of another's space that might not seem so obvious at first glance. The fact that a person needs to be talked into a thing denotes that they are not willing to engage in it to begin with, and thus, an attempt to change that person's decision is invasive. Many have no idea of this fact. It is no different when a child seeks to talk a parent into giving them a liberty they might otherwise not have available to them, however, in such a case generally no grudge is held and rightly so, however, after a certain age, such things will most often no longer be tolerated. It lasts as long as does that child's cuteness, and is outgrown quickly.
>
> One aspect of "space" in general that isn't often considered at all is whether or not a person is extending their own space outward to include things they would rather not include or be affected by. Often this can be causing a reaction unconsciously for one. A thing one had never thought of as having any effect on them can be having an unknown effect that isn't so easily recognized by all. It pays to become aware of all of the things one's attention is extended to include. Some of the time problems can actually be drawn towards ourselves by ourselves acting in an unconscious way. What I mean is that we don't always realize the true effect a thing might have upon us, so that we continue onward never realizing that a thing we have extended our attention in some way out to include might have a negative effect upon us, and the only way to remove that is to become aware of it, and removing our attention and thus our state of consciousness away from it, and in this way becoming better aware of the true effect a thing can have in this way, so that we can look out for this happening again. For example, one might think something not so nice or considerate about a friend, based on a prejudicial attitude one some aspect of that person's life, one which is completely within their rights to have. By not having been aware of in the first place, our mistake in judgment, and in the second place, the effect of said judgment, we can bring negativity into our purview that we would rather not have to deal with.
>
> In this case a more honest and complete view of the self is needed, as well as the development of a less judgmental view of others and the choices some might make. Nothing less than adapting in this way will begin chipping away at the formation of a less than advantageous point of view of others. It is generally not a terrible way of looking at a situation, by placing ourselves in that other's position so as to gain a notion of what it would be like were positions reversed. This can go far for developing degrees of consideration that may not have been so easily come by before then.
>
> The idea of psychic space is on one hand a very familiar concept to some, but on the other hand, almost unheard or thought of by many others, and because of this the rules regarding it are often unclear to many. Healing of any sort is a thing that falls very much within the area of an individual's space, and stands at risk to be possibly invaded by those unaware of the limits of their own free will, which are of course up to the point at which another's space begins. Any average doctor would never begin medical treatment until any potential patient came to them willingly, seeking medical help. This obvious situation is many times much less obvious in the area of psychic or spiritual healers, and most often this is the specific area where invasions occur.
>
> This area shares a considerable amount with various religious groups that proselytize. If one hasn't actually asked or expressed interest in the "help" it simply cannot be given to a person, especially under the guise of doing a thing deemed (by another) to be for their own best interests. A happy Muslim isn't likely to enjoy having Jehova's Witnesses coming to their door weekly attempting to "save" them by convincing them to change their religion. In the very same way any healer will find it not only impossible to heal a person that hasn't yet asked to be healed, but also that if they go forward uninvited with such an action, there will be a heavy karmic burden to bear. These things, regardless of motivation, break spiritual law and bear a karmic price.
>
> And on the positive side of this, if a person is unwell and asks for a healing, or for further infprmation on a different spiritual path than the one they had been on, an interested person can certainly offer aid and information that they might have the capacity to perform. And the very same standard applies to inner spiritual teachings, one who considers themselves, or is considered by others to be a teacher, and who actually has the ability to channel spiritual teachings and experience to a student, cannot ever do so without first asking permission, or being invited to do so, this is a part of the Law of Non-Interference, the same law governs all three of those various but similar circumstances.
>
> [ end quote ]

Copied and plagiarized from where? Be specific now...

[Etznab]

Still what?

[Kinpa]

Did I stutter young man?

[Etznab]

On Friday, June 26, 2015 at 12:28:05 AM UTC-5, Henosis Sage wrote:
> On Friday, 26 June 2015 11:15:14 UTC+10, Etznab wrote:
>
> Sheesh, IF someone CLAIMS he can see you going to Walmart, and shitting ur
> pants, or claim i do drugs and drink am drunk and you're drinking with all
> you sloshing friends .. then surely he can go see what's on an Google Drive
> and already know why HE can't access it ... right? :-)
>
> Of when they are full of it, and lying non-stop here about other people and
> himself especially, one cannot expect very much from one wiht zero credibility
> than more of the same degree of manipulations, lies and self-delusions, imho.
>
> This is what 30 YEARS in ECKANKAR can bring people ... a complete psychological
> breakdown and a permanent disconnection from normal life and society.
>
> iow living in a fantasy land trying to handle all the astral entities and voices and certainty of being able to do things like "remote viewing" when
> they can't and have never been able to ... it's just another DELUSION of many.

I see.

Sheesh, IF someone CLAIMS he can see you going to Walmart, and shitting ur
pants, or claim i do drugs and drink am drunk and you're drinking with all
you sloshing friends .. then surely he can go see what's on an Google Drive
and already know why HE can't access it ... right? :-)

Of when they are full of it, and lying non-stop here about other people and
himself especially, one cannot expect very much from one wiht zero credibility
than more of the same degree of manipulations, lies and self-delusions, imho.

This is what 30 YEARS in ECKANKAR can bring people ... a complete psychological
breakdown and a permanent disconnection from normal life and society.

iow living in a fantasy land trying to handle all the astral entities and voices and certainty of being able to do things like "remote viewing" when
they can't and have never been able to ... it's just another DELUSION of many.

[Kinpa]

On Friday, June 26, 2015 at 5:28:05 AM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:
> On Friday, 26 June 2015 11:15:14 UTC+10, Etznab wrote:
>
> Sheesh, IF someone CLAIMS he can see you going to Walmart, and shitting ur
> pants, or claim i do drugs and drink am drunk and you're drinking with all
> you sloshing friends .. then surely he can go see what's on an Google Drive
> and already know why HE can't access it ... right? :-)
>
> Of when they are full of it, and lying non-stop here about other people and
> himself especially, one cannot expect very much from one wiht zero credibility
> than more of the same degree of manipulations, lies and self-delusions, imho.
>
> This is what 30 YEARS in ECKANKAR can bring people ... a complete psychological
> breakdown and a permanent disconnection from normal life and society.
>
> iow living in a fantasy land trying to handle all the astral entities and voices and certainty of being able to do things like "remote viewing" when
> they can't and have never been able to ... it's just another DELUSION of many.

Like the delusions you claim are proof above? Nothing works the way you claim it does...but the rant is so devoid of even a BASIC level of intelligence it serves only as a comical waste of time...perhaps you should delete them the way you always do...thanks to your loyal pet I can prove that you do...LOL

[Etznab]

On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 at 7:15:42 PM UTC-6, Kinpa wrote:
> On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 3:52:17 PM UTC-5, Etznab wrote:
> > On Wednesday, December 24, 2014 2:37:03 PM UTC-6, Etznab wrote:
> > > On Tuesday, December 23, 2014 9:55:57 PM UTC-6, Kinpa wrote:

> > > > On Tuesday, December 23, 2014 3:03:01 AM UTC-5, Peetee Aitchei wrote:
> > > > > Recent Updates on the TEHA
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > TEHA Main Directory with Spiritual Research Library Directory links
> > > > >
> > > > > (Jacob) Paul Twitchell 1909–1971 Timeline of events
> > > > >
> > > > > [TEHA 2014] From a not knower to knowing some things - the Making of an Archive
> > > > >
> > > > > Copyright Published Dates of Twitchell's Eckankar Bibliography (booklets books discourses)
> > > > >
> > > > > Timeline of major Eckankar publications by Paul Twitchell
> > > > >
> > > > > [TEHA 2014] PLAGIARISM by Paul Twitchell Listed by Author Book Movement
> > > > >
> > > > > [PTHA 2012] (Jacob) Paul Twitchell Family Genealogy and American History
> > > > >
> > > > > [TEHA 2014] A Biography of Jacob Paul Twitchell 1909-1971
> > > > >
> > > > > [TEHA 2014] Files about Patti Simpson-Rivinus on Paul Twitchell, Eckankar, the 'spiritual path'
> > > > >
> > > > > Using the Paul Twitchell Eckankar archive as a history research tool
> > > > >
> > > > > 2014-12 alt.religion.eckankar › Living what ... living History (Patti Simpson)
> > > > >
> > > > > 2014-04 The Difference Between Spirituality and Religion by Doug Marman
> > > > >
> > > > > 2014-12 Ekankar Origins (etymology use of the word) from RS & Sikh sources
> > > > >
> > > > > 2014-01 Origins of the word Ekankar and the HU by James Bean (Radhasoami)
> > > > >
> > > > > 2014-12 'Ik Onkar' 'Ek Onkar' 'Ekankar' 'Eckankar' and 'Marmankar'
> > > > >
> > > > > Paul Twitchell as Self-described New Age Messiah - with References
> > > > >
> > > > > 2014-12 Derren Brown Fear & Faith TV Placebo effect NLP mastery
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > To see the above files, copy and paste the title into the Search Box at the
> > > > >
> > > > > PAUL TWITCHELL ECKANKAR HISTORY ARCHIVE
> > > > >
> > > > > Short URL http://goo.gl/bTUVSK
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Season's Greetings from a Busy Beaver and a Wascally Wabbit
> > > >

> > > > and you still use James Bean's origin of the word HU? seriously? that is not yet accurate being that it is first found in the Rig Veda and does not at all have any origins in Sufism. He did however listen to me and amend his words to an extent. make sure you have his recent update on the matter. In Sufism they use the Arabic word Hu, which is different than the Sanskrit word.the word has origins in either proto-Germanic or Sanskrit. this of course does not yet include the view that at one point in time the world spoke a single language, and there IS an ever growing body of evidence to support this "Tower of Babel idea. do the research and KNOW what you speak of rather than doing a half-assed job of it that supports your prejudiced view. get the etymology correct and accurate or you are spreading falsehoods just as you claim that Paul Twitchell did. abide by the standard you're holding him to or otherwise be discounted!
> > >
> > > The Eckankar website includes:
> > >
> > > "Many Eckankar terms trace their historical roots to the Far East; however, they have their own meaning and application in Eckankar."
> > >
> > > http://www.eckankar.org/FAQ/index.html#wherefrom
> > >
> > > The meaning of Sanskrit "Hu", Arabic "Hu" and others may not match the way that Eckankar defines "Hu" today.
> > >
> > > When Paul Twitchell wrote about "Hu" he apparently borrowed from Hazrat Inayat Khan's book and what it said about Hu.
> >
> > Hu was mentioned in the Paul Twitchell book: The Flute of God; believed written as early as 1959. Therefore, this was one of the earliest written sources about Hu by Paul Twitchell. One can compare what Paul wrote (and when) and what Hazrat Inayat Khan wrote (many years earlier than Paul).
> >
> > Perhaps Paul believed that Hazrat Inayat Khan said it better than Paul could, so Paul copied it? IMO this is hardly evidence that Paul Twitchell learned about "Hu" (and many other things) outside of the public library. Also it is not necessarily hard evidence that this is what people believed in the ancient past.
> >
> > As a sound, "hu" is a very common one. It could have had many meanings and not necessarily what the modern-day writers have made of it. This is a possibility.
>
> do the research Richard....and do be sure not to drink too much tonite...most of your friends are quite the bunch of lushes ;) but you know that do you not?

Etznab sees how Kinpa responds to questions.

[Henosis Sage]

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JUNE 2015 KINPA ASKS HENOSIS SAGE

"Why is the PTHA all private now? Hiding something???
Many files are no longer there...why did you remove them???"

Now I didn't miss this post last year, I skipped it.

But let me get this straight first because I don't want to be mistaken nor confused.

Kinpa, you arer asking me if the PTHA has been put on "private mode" - is that correct?
And you are interested in knowing if I am "hiding some files" from public view?

Is that correct, I got this right yeah?

Your opinion is that "many files are no longer there" - OK well which one Kinpa do you think are MISSING? How many?

If you tell me that I can make some "inquires' double check my archive and if any
files have been romoved, or perhaps on "private" whenb they shouldn;t be I could get back to you then.

Thanks for the questions Kinpa. I'm am here to help you "understand better"