Plagiarism in Stranger by the River book?

[Etznab]

Quoting ...

Compare pages 129 and 130 of Paul Twitchell's STRANGER BY THE RIVER (1970) with page 67 of Kirpal Singh's MAN! KNOW THYSELF (first published in 1954) in THE WAY OF THE SAINTS. The following is a glimpse:

Writes Kirpal Singh: "The repetition of the holy names is given to the disciple at the time of initiation AS A GUARD AGAINST ALL DANGERS. IT ACTS ALSO AS A PASSWORD TO ALL SPIRITUAL PLANES, GIVES STRENGTH AND SUSTENANCE TO THE BODY AND MIND DURING TROUBLE AND AFFLICTIONS, BRINGS THE SOUL NEARER TO THE MASTER, IS INSTRUMENTAL
IN ACHIEVING concentration..." (page 67, Kirpal Singh)

Writes Paul Twitchell: "You must sit in silence chanting the sacred names of the Sugmad. The practice is A WEAPON AGAINST ALL DANGERS. IT IS A PASSWORD TO ALL SPIRITUAL PLANES, GIVES STRENGTH AND SUSTENANCE TO THE BODY AND MIND DURING TROUBLE AND AFFLICTION, BRINGS SOUL NEARER TO GOD, AND ACHIEVES happiness while
on this plane." (pages 129-130, Paul Twitchell)

Sidebar: Guess who is talking in Twitchell's excerpt? Rebazar Tarzs.

http://web.archive.org/web/20140304174659/http://dlane5.tripod.com/newplag98.html

[Etznab]

Compare Stranger by the River (by Paul Twitchell, 1970) chapter No Greater Love (beginning at 8th paragraph; ex. "Love is most sublime ... .") with Radhasoami Mat Prakash, A Brief View of Radhasoami Faith — Being a message of Eternal Peace and Joy to All Nations — Originally Written by Hazur Maharaj in English and Published in 1897 (Section: The Supreme Being, A Boundless Ocean of Spirit and Love)

https://medium.com/radhasoami-spirituality/the-supreme-being-a-boundless-ocean-of-spirit-and-love-8291528c92

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Ref# 41391720 Stranger by the River (1970) vs Hazur Maharaj (1897)

[Etznab]

Meher Baba vs. Rebazar Tarzs

Compare Meher Baba's "The Path of Love" with S.B.T.R. chapter: The Master's Gaze. Search from immediately before and after the phrase "Love is dynamic in action ..."

http://www.avatarmeherbaba.org/erics/god-love.html

Earliest copyright for this writing appears to be 1953. Example:

© 1953, 1954, 1955, 1956, 1958, 1959, 1960, 1961, 1963,
1964, 1965, 1967, 1969 by The Universal Spiritual League in
America, Inc.

© 1976 by Adi K. Irani

© 2000 by Avatar Meher Baba Public Perpetual Charitable Trust

All rights reserved.

Printed in the USA by Sheriar Press, Inc

http://www.fwb104.org/Book_Files/POL.pdf

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Ref# 41391720 Stranger by the River (1970) vs Meher Baba (1953-)

[Etznab]

Note: Consider use of the word Shariat* (in italics) on page 58. Example: "... the Shariat* of every religion ... ."

http://www.fwb104.org/Book_Files/POL.pdf

[Etznab]

http://www.avatarmeherbaba.org/erics/creedofbirth.html

[Etznab]

Rebazar Tarzs vs. Ramakrishna

Compare Stranger by the River (1970, by Paul Twitchell) Chapter: Jewels of Wisdom

with

Chapter 2 / KEEP HOLY COMPANY from The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna.

http://tinyurl.com/n6yygv8

https://books.google.com/books?id=Fi7i1xRSbwsC&pg=PT35&lpg=PT35&dq=%22secure+the+oil+of+divine+love%22&source=bl&ots=8IK4oYwxMT&sig=If3StrgdvZjvJhzqxof7gCPXdBk&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Zy3OVIrPFYXegwTz1ILIBQ&ved=0CCYQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=%22secure%20the%20oil%20of%20divine%20love%22&f=false

[Etznab]

Rebazar Tarzs says: "God is beyond vidya and avidya ... ."

Beginning of Chapter Four from the Ramakrishna book says: "Brahman is beyond vidya and avidya ... ."

It is possible that Paul Twitchell took piecemeal sections from Ramakrishna's writings to compose the Jewels of Wisdom chapter for his book Stranger by the River.

Btw, look at the portrait of Vivekananda in that book. Look at the facial features and compare with the various drawings of Rebazar Tarzs.

[Etznab]

"... And you should always discriminate between the Real and the unreal. God alone is real, the Eternal Substance; all else is unreal, that is, impermanent. By discriminating thus, one should shake off impermanent objects from the mind."

[Based on: The Gospel of Ramakrishna (1882), Chapter 1: MASTER AND DISCIPLE]

http://www.belurmath.org/gospel/chapter01.htm

"... And you should always discriminate between the real and the unreal. God alone is real, the eternal substance; all else is unreal, that is, impermanent. By discriminating thus one should shut out the impermanent objects from the mind."

[Based on: Stranger by the River, by Paul Twitchell (1970), Third Edition - 1987, Chapter: Jewels of Wisdom]

[Etznab]

On Saturday, January 31, 2015 at 8:27:14 PM UTC-6, Etznab wrote:

Appropriated sources (gathered, borrowed, compiled) for Paul Twitchell's book Stranger by the River (evidently illustrated as if coming from Rebazar Tarzs) so far appear to include:

(1) MAN, KNOW THYSELF! by Kirpal Singh, 1954

(2) RADHASOAMI MAT PRAKASH by Hazur Maharaj, 1897

(3) The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna, 1882

Questions:

(1) How many authors and creative works have Paul Twitchell and "Eckankar" evidently illustrated "as if" having come from Rebazar Tarzs?

(2) How does this make Rebazar Tarzs into a real living human being?

[Kinpa]

(1) No one really cares much at this point.
(2) How does that make him not a real living being? You have yet to show ANY actual proof of that and plagiarism proves nothing other than plagiarism, whether you like it or don't.

[Henosis Sage]

That's interesting, tell me more about your psychosis, ooops sorry, Psychic ability that makes you believe you know what EVERYONE ELSE cares about, and your egomania that makes you believe you are qualified to speak for others.


(2) How does that make him not a real living being? "... plagiarism proves nothing other than plagiarism, whether you like it or don't."

Plagiarism proves that Twitchell, Gail, Simpson-Rivinus, Klemp, Gross, Marman, et al are ALL liars, manipulators, incompetents, intellectual lightweights, psychotics, immoral users, with ZERO integrity, proven IDIOTS and generally unconscionable low life scum.

That is what it proves beyond all doubt (except for IDIOTS of course).

Punishment follows closely on Guilt.

But hey, if anyone wishes to revere these personality disordered and psychotic afflicted, and willingly believe them and honour them and then go out into the world and cyberspace to proselytize these dangerous FALSE teachings of the mind and the corrupt organisation that is based upon them, then feel free.

Freedom of choice. What goes on inside your own head is no one's responsibility but your own.

[Kinpa]

Plagiarism proves NONE of those things, it proves only plagiarism. now stop being so damned greedy and go find actual evidence of the claims you make...not that that will ever provide you with anything, you can't afford to sue them anyhow...oh well....still endlessly hilarious however, thanks for the comedy routine!

[Henosis Sage]

You are very welcome. Harold Klemp, on the other hand, has not been so grateful.

I do not need to sue anyone, I have no reason to. But I do know how to send someone over the edge by speaking truth directly to power.

It is far more injurious than simply slipping on black ice and breaking a hip. Hips can be repaired by professionals. Nothing can fix Harold Klemp.

Or yourself, but you.

[Etznab]

What do you think, Kinpa? Ramakrishna in the 1800s? or Paul Twitchell - in the 1960s, 1970s - paraphrasing, plagiarizing Ramakrishna? and crediting Rebazar Tarzs instead?

Begin quotes ...

[...]

Need of holy company & Meditation in solitude

M. (humbly): "Yes, sir. How, sir, may we fix our minds on God?"

MASTER: "Repeat God's name and sing His glories, and keep holy company; and now and then visit God's devotees and holy men. The mind cannot dwell on God if it is immersed day and night in worldliness, in worldly duties and responsibilities; it is most necessary to go into solitude now and then and think of God. To fix the mind on God is very difficult, in the beginning, unless one practises meditation in solitude. When a tree is young it should be fenced all around; otherwise it may be destroyed by cattle.

"To meditate, you should withdraw within yourself or retire to a secluded corner or to the forest. And you should always discriminate between the Real and the unreal. God alone is real, the Eternal Substance; all else is unreal, that is, impermanent. By discriminating thus, one should shake off impermanent objects from the mind."

God and worldly duties

M. (humbly):"How ought we to live in the world?"

MASTER: "Do all your duties, but keep your mind on God. Live with all - with wife and children, father and mother - and serve them. Treat them as if they were very dear to you, but know in your heart of hearts that they do not belong to you.

"A maidservant in the house of a rich man performs all the household duties, but her thoughts are fixed on her own home in her native village. She brings up her Master's children as if they were her own. She even speaks of them as 'my Rama' or 'my Hari'. But in her own mind she knows very well that they do not belong to her at all.

"The tortoise moves about in the water. But can you guess where her thoughts are? There on the bank, where her eggs are lying. Do all your duties in the world, but keep your mind on God.

"If you enter the world without first cultivating love for God, you will be entangled more and more. You will be overwhelmed with its danger, its grief, its sorrows. And the more you think of worldly things, the more you will be attached to them.

"First rub your hands with oil and then break open the jack-fruit; otherwise they will be smeared with its sticky milk. First secure the oil of divine love, and then set your hands to the duties of the world.

"But one must go into solitude to attain this divine love. To get butter from milk you must let it set into curd in a secluded spot; if it is too much disturbed, milk won't turn into curd. Next, you must put aside all other duties, sit in a quiet spot, and churn the curd. Only then do you get butter.

"Further, by meditating on God in solitude the mind acquires knowledge, dispassion, and devotion. But the very same mind goes downward if it dwells in the world. In the world there is only one thought: 'woman and gold'.2

[Based on: The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna (1882), Chapter 2: IN THE COMPANY OF DEVOTEES]

http://www.belurmath.org/gospel/chapter01.htm

[...]

MASTER: "Brahman is beyond vidya and avidya, knowledge and ignorance. It is beyond maya, the illusion of duality.

[...]

Parable of salt doll

"In samadhi one attains the Knowledge of Brahman - one realizes Brahman. In that state reasoning stops altogether, and man becomes mute. He has no power to describe the nature of Brahman.

[... .]

[Based on: The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna (1882), Chapter 3 VISIT TO VIDYASAGAR]

http://www.belurmath.org/gospel/chapter03.htm

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[...]

"Then how do I have total awareness, Sire?" asked the seeker.    
"By fixing thy mind on God!" replied the Tibetan without concern.
[...]    
He said, "How does one fix his mind on God?"    
"By repeating the sacred name of the Lord," said Rebazar, "and singing ITS glories, and visiting God's devotees and holy men. The mind cannot dwell on God if it is immersed day and night in worldliness, in worldly duties and responsibilities; it is most necessary to go into solitude now and then and think of God. To fix the mind on God is difficult in the beginning, unless one practices the Spiritual Exercises of ECK in solitude.    
"I tell you this. There are three exercises one practices; think of God while doing thine own duties, or contemplate God in a secluded corner of thine own house, or contemplate IT in the woods. And you should always discriminate between the real and the unreal. God alone is real, the eternal substance; all else is unreal, that is, impermanent. By discriminating thus one should shut out the impermanent objects from the mind.    
"To live in this world you must do all thy duties, but keep thy mind on God. Live with all, thy own beloved and thy family, and serve them. Treat them with great reverence, and great love, but know that they do not belong to thee. So do as I say - do all thy own duties in this world, but keep thy mind on God.    "If you try to live in this world without cultivating love for God, you will be entangled more and more. You will be overwhelmed with its dangers, its greifs, and its sorrows. And the more you think of worldly things, the more you will be in need of them. Secure the oil of divine love, and then put thyself to the task of thine own duties of this world.    
"So I tell you that by being with God in solitude the mind aquires knowledge and devotion. But the very same mind goes downward if it is disturbed by the very waves of those who seek to disturb you in thy search for God.
[...]
"God is beyond vidya and avidya, knowledge and ignorance. He is beyond all maya, the illusion of duality.    
"One attains the knowledge of God in the ECK and at the same time one realizes God. It is in this state that man, the seeker, stops all reasoning and his tongue is silent. He has no power to describe the nature of God. [... .]"

[Based on: Stranger by the River, by Paul Twitchell (1970), Third Edition - 1987, pp. 185-187]

[Henosis Sage]

Maybe taking the short cut road would be easier and faster.

Asking people to provide a passage/page quote that shows even once something conveyed by RT to Twitchell and he then put it in a book or discourse.

It would be far less time consuming and get to the heart of the issue on an individual basis. (smile)

[Kinpa]

No, you do not....

[Etznab]

On this thread (in another post) Kinpa included:

"Plagiarism proves NONE of those things, it proves only plagiarism"

Plagiarism proves only plagiarism?

Let's look at a definition for plagiarism and see what it means"

"the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own."

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=definition+of+plagiarism

How many times has Kinpa shared the view / opinion that plagiarism proves only plagiarism?

Take out the word "Plagiarism" and substitute the definition instead. What is the result? The definition of plagiarism.

Now contrast that definition with what Paul Twitchell and "Eckankar" sold to people when the books presented Eckankar masters.

See? This was not Paul Twitchell passing off someone else's work as his own. (At least, not in all cases.) Because in numerous cases Paul projected the liability onto what he called Eck Masters by various names.

In the Eckankar teachings, one thing said to be different is the existence of a LIVING master. And those masters made liable for plagiarized and paraphrased (Harold alludes to borrowed) works were cast as if VITALLY important to the Eckankar teachings and part of an ancient lineage.

Taking text and ideas from books amounting to the works of so many New Age pundits is NOT the same thing as dictated material from Rebazar Tarzs and others. IMHO.

This message has not only been spoken by me. It has been spoken and written by several others, including here at a.r.e. over the years. And what has been the effort of the minimizers?

In short, people are "following the leader" ... IMO ... because if the leader doesn't say it then maybe nobody wants to upstage him. The leader believed to have been chosen by "God" (according to some people) and "appointed" by Eck Masters (also according to some people).

But not all people believe these things. Not even all Eckankar members. Not even those who worked with the leader and who listened to the leader tell them about a "growing list". Ex. Doug Marman who, when asked point blank, seems to agree that Paul took other people's works (words) and put them into the mouths of Eck Masters as if the Eck Masters were saying them.

If the leader was not happy about it (a growing list) and felt that he had to do something about it ...

If people having been Eckankar members and clergy for decades were not happy and felt that something had to be done about it ...

Well, why? What for? What is there to be unhappy about? What is the mess?

"The practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own?"

Why is that a mess? The minimizers would have it that: "Oh, bah humbug. Old news. Plagiarism proves only plagiarism.

LOL

I've been here long enough to remember when minimizers tried every which may to minimize the "mess". Going so far to say the amount plagiarized was less than one percent of the total works.

Ehh gads! Did they even look? Do you think they even went looking for plagiarisms? Did they get out their Eckankar books and check to see if there were any plagiarisms overlooked and not mentioned? How could they know the percentage if they didn't look?

Perhaps they didn't want to look. Perhaps they were afraid of what they would find?

In any case, I did look. And I found much more than one percent. Not only did I look at the existing examples already cited and written about in books, but I found others that were so many I hadn't the time and stamina to keep on looking.

(This post and others like it, by me and others, are too numerous to eliminate every one. So it matters not if I write one more word, but anybody will be able to check out the allegations for themselves in the future. They will not be in the dark if they do, but can follow in the footsteps of others who trod the path to discovery before them. The Mini-Mizers have already failed badly to detract away from what is STILL a big mess. One that will be cleaned up in spite of them. No longer will they be able to intimidate others, convincing them to not be concerned about (what they will tell you) doesn't really matter.)

Nevertheless, I for one still believe there is a mess because nobody can say they have seen every example until they FIRST prove it by illustrating every example; or the greater portion thereof. In conclusion, the percentage HAS NOT REALLY BEEN PUBLISHED. I suggest it is like the tip of an iceberg what people now know.

That Doug Marmnan - who argued with David Lane for years and worked for both Darwin Gross and Harold Klemp - could say something about not three consecutive plagiarized words in a row ... that, to me, is incredible and it is no wonder then that people get angry when minimizers try to deny what others already know and what others have been wanting to explore further.

That J.R. would pretend to be an idiot and shun responsibility for sincere and considerate conversation going on years now says to me that he must be on some kind of mission. And since he has denied being a member of Eckankar, one is left free to guess who that mission is for. Over ten years I have been on this group and I would say that J.R. holds the record for garbage mouth.

Of course it is only a play and J.R. is trying to hide behind insanity as if he is not responsible for the filth that comes out instead of rational thought and coherent, considerate conversation.

People have told J.R. before what they think and people are still doing it. His teeth are not as dirty and scary as the picture he posted here for years.

If you need help, J.R., just stay here and keep reading. We will help you, but don't expect it to be gentle.

Kinpa, I remember years ago having great conversations with. Interesting ones; unless that was some other Kinpa and the one here using the name is someone else. An imposter maybe? Maybe not.

Nobody said that they didn't believe in masters, that they didn't like Paul Twitchell, Eckankar and Eckists. It was the minimizers that said that others said this. Because the minimizers wanted to be as vile as possible, blowing things out of proportion to defame those digging at the hidden truths.

What people are better for now, because of "Eckankar", is that THEY WON'T BE (so easily) FOOLED AGAIN. And people, some people, will ask for proof that so and so master exists instead of the opposite (proof that so and so doesn't exist).

I think David said something along these lines, and I'll say it too, that I would be glad if certain of these Eck Masters existed and were real. Really! But there are charlatans a dime a dozen and unbalanced nutters who think they are doing the work of a higher power that nobody needs to accept without first challenging the claims. All of the whiners asking for proof that the invisible masters don't exist need to come on with something more than plagiarized works and he said / she said.

Already there was a history of these masters written in the Eckankar books and that history can be checked for credibility and verified if true. If the record is faulty and the writer suspect then the path should be followed to the end and the truth reestablished.

This is the next step that will lead to further insight, IMHO. I saw this next step over ten years ago, but it is a step that not everybody is willing to take. However, history shows what happens to those who try and hold to the old deceptions and milk them for every dime. They themselves become history! Replaced with more intelligent understanding.

[Kinpa]

Yes richie, that IS what I said....what do you have such a hard time understanding? Ideas cannot be copyrighted in the first place. Secondly, plagiarism proves nothing other than plagiarism. It does NOT prove that Rebazar Tarzs was a fiction. YOU look like an idiot each time you try to use it as evidence. It simply is NOT evidence of THAT! Understand yet? I guess not because you bothh consistently keep insdisting the same things, but you simply have NO direct evidence of what you claim!

In coiurt, you would lose, plain and simple! You have NO evidence of anything BUT plagiarism. NOTHING more! It cannot possibly be made any simpler or easier to understand. It makes no difference how many people insist otherwise, they are ALL flat wrong about it!

[Henosis Sage]

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KEWL


RE: the existence of a LIVING master.

IS PRIMARY, THE CRITICAL KEY THAT MAKES ECKANKAR "SUPERIOR" TO ALL OTHERS

"WE have the Mahanta, the living eck master" drops off everyone's lips.

That is what MATT & LONI still sell to the naive inquirers ... AFTER they twist
the facts about Twitchell's History, the copying, the plagiarism, the lies,
the Gross v Klemp debacle, the gail bluth patti Marman Lane Kirpal debacle....

SKS says: "But this proves that power alone does not lie in the Word;
it is in the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master"

FAQ- The Living ECK Master is chosen by God.
and
The Mahanta is the inner, or spiritual, form of the Living ECK Master.
It is the highest state of God Consciousness known to man.

ALL LIES BY TWITCHELL .... and the LYING KLEMP ...

(shrug)

[Henosis Sage]

RE: "Ideas cannot be copyrighted in the first place."

BIG FUCKING DEAL = IRRELEVANT = TWITCHELL LIED WHERE HE GOT HIS IDEAS FROM

RE: Secondly, plagiarism proves nothing other than plagiarism.

THAT'S A FUCKING LIE = PROVES TWITCHELL WAS A LIAR = HE WAS A TOTAL FRAUD

= ECKANKAR'S TEACHINGS ARE FRAUDULENT AND UNTRUE = ALL OF IT

= ECKANKAR IS NOT A VALID RELIGION BUT A FOR PROFIT PUBLISHING HOUSE THAT
TAKES PEOPLE'S MONEY ON FALSE PRETENSES incl $ for book sales.

= HAROLD KLEMP IS A FRAUD = AS NOTED BY QUOC OF SYDNEY BEFORE HE DIED IN 2005

TOOK DECADES BEFORE A ROYAL COMMISSION WAS SET UP IN SEVERAL NATIONS TO
INVESTIGATE THE INSTITUTIONAL SEXUAL CHILD ABUSE BY CHURCH'S AND RELIGIOUS GROUPS WHO HAD COVERED IT UP FOR CENTURIES - THE WHEEL TURNS

AND ECKANKAR WILL BE HELD TO ACCOUNT = AND THOSE INDIVIDUALS IN IT WHO HAVE
PERPETUATED THIS FRAUD AND THE ABUSE OF POWER OVER OTHERS AND HARM DONE TO
THEM .... TO THE POINT OF PREMATURE DEATH AT TIMES.

THERE IS NO ESCAPE - WHAT THE LEGAL SYSTEM MISSES WILL BE DEALT WITH IN KARMA

RE: " I guess not because you bothh consistently keep insdisting the same things, but you simply have NO direct evidence of what you claim! "

WHAT YOU CLAIM WE CLAIM WE DO NOT CLAIM NOR INSIST = YOU'RE AN IDIOT MAKING SHIT UP.

RE: "You have NO evidence of anything BUT plagiarism. NOTHING more!"

WRONG = DEAD WRONG !!!!!!!!!!!!!

"It cannot possibly be made any simpler or easier to understand."

BUT STILL MATT SHARPE REFUSES = IDIOT

[Henosis Sage]

ETznab, I couldn't locate the recent thread on this topic. so putting it into this 2015 thread.

Here is the edited version side by side - can still make changes if you wish.

2016 PLAGIARISM in SBTR from The Gospel of Sri Ramakrishna
PTEHA
https://drive.google.com/open?id=12r4Zspu7LmGiqsx09rZYzLMITbqskBbn