How to prove the reality of Rebazar Tarzs
signon77
Is Rebazar Tarzs real ?
For the sincere truth seeker - and I must stress the term "sincere
truth seeker" as opposed to serial debater - there is a way to prove
the reality of Rebazar Tarzs. Tonight at bedtime, close your eyes,
relax and gently place your attention on the spiritual eye, (between
and slightly behind your eyebrows), and sing the word "HU" (pronounced
like the man's name Hugh) for as long as you feel comfortable. Just
before you fall asleep, all the while maintaining the HU chant, ask
yourself this question : "Is Rebazar Tarzs real?"
Years ago in Nigeria I used this same technique to prove to myself
that Sri Harold Klemp is the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master of our
times. At the time, sincere truth seekers, I had my doubts.
May the blessings be.
Rob
Sean
Hi Rob,
This is an interesting topic. I'd like to share a few things from moy pov
about it, if that's ok.
"signon77" <sign...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
news:f92b86eb-a1e8-4e4c...@t13g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> Time and again over the years on this forum the question has arisen:
> Is Rebazar Tarzs real ?
>
> For the sincere truth seeker - and I must stress the term "sincere
> truth seeker" as opposed to serial debater - there is a way to prove
> the reality of Rebazar Tarzs.
I am far from convinced that anyone being a serial debater is automatically
precluded from being a sincere truth seeker. I believe that such comparisons
are a false dichotomy. Which means that for me it isn't an either or option.
Both can exist within the same same space, imho. I am not sure why you would
believe there is a separation between the two. Though I can see that from
time to time one could opine that another is perhaps not sincere, I have
found that it is not the wisest thing to guess at or assume the intentions
and motivations of others.
Especially on a public newsgroup which naturally develops into a style of
debate no matter how much one may wish or intend for it to a be an open
dialogue or discussion, and the sahring of various ideas and questions that
arise for individuals.
At least that is the way I see it these days. Haven't always, but I do now.
> Tonight at bedtime, close your eyes,
> relax and gently place your attention on the spiritual eye, (between
> and slightly behind your eyebrows), and sing the word "HU" (pronounced
> like the man's name Hugh) for as long as you feel comfortable. Just
> before you fall asleep, all the while maintaining the HU chant, ask
> yourself this question : "Is Rebazar Tarzs real?"
>
There's a couple of things I'd like to say about this suggestion.
Firstly, a quick scan of the topics would seem to suggest that your
recommendation may be being directed at a particular individual who keeps
raising this topic about Rebazar.
IF so, then given they have a been an eckankar member for something like 20
years, wouldn't it be safe to assume that they are aware of this aspect/tool
of Eckankar:101 already?
IF not, then ignore my prior comment altogether.
Secondly, let's imagine as an example that I did exactly what you described
above last night and did it very sincerely.
Nothing happened -- does this then "prove" that Rebazar Tarzs is NOT real?
I don't think it would prove anything of the kind.
Let's say an answer came thru as a direct spiritual inner experience that
said in conclusion: "Nope, rebazar is merely a creation of the imagine!"
Does this then prove that Rebazar is not real? Again, I don't think it does
necessarily. And therefore if it doesn't, then the opposite is also not
necessarily "proof" either for all individuals.
Do you see what I am getting at here?
Lastly, it seems to me that one of the questions that keeps coming up is
whether or not Rebazar Tarz [ whatever his name in prior lives ] was
actually a living human being on Earth, just like you and me are.
I think that there is a difference between accepting whether or not Rebazar
as described in the texts is a spiritual being voicing the spiritual
teachings of ECK, appearing to Eckists and others on the "inner" and
subsequently accepting that as true or proof, .... as opposed to questioning
whether or not he lived on earth during a particular time frame and walked
and talked just like Paul or Harold are known to have done.
Can you see the difference here Rob, and accept that others have there own
ways and means of working through their own personal life issues/quest, for
their own reasons?
> Years ago in Nigeria I used this same technique to prove to myself
> that Sri Harold Klemp is the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master of our
> times. At the time, sincere truth seekers, I had my doubts.
>
> May the blessings be.
>
> Rob
Yes, May the Blessings Be.
To me that means that there is never a need to force anything. Things come
to us all when we are each ready.
Personally I can say that I am unaware of any direct spiritual experience or
contact with Rebazar Tarz that I have had since I first saw his name
mentioned in a book well over 20 years ago. This is despite doing requests
and exercises like you mentioned above.
I don't take this as being a "proof" that Rebazar Tarz does not exist, or
isn't real. Simply speaking, I do not know either way. In fact, such an
issue is not important to me, and changes nothing. I simply accept that
those people that have had experiences that they either *believe* are real,
or *know* are real, are genuine. But others opinions, beliefs and
experiences are not my concern, and neither do they influence me to think a
particular way or another.
I haven't always approached things this way, but have for a long time now,
and that works great for me.
A few years back I was at a major seminar and a 7th Initiate was giving a
very vibrant and energetic talk on stage almost bouncing out of his skin. He
said, and I will quote it verbatim for you here : "Sri Harold Klemp is God
on Earth." end quote
Only a few months before this, another HI, I think a 6th at the time told me
point blank that Sri Harold was no longer the Mahanta, hadn't been for some
time, and that he was refusing to step aside for the new one. He even gave
me the new man's spiritual name.
Who should I believe? Which one should I listen to? <G>
Really this topic is a good one Rob, as it opens up all sorts of notions and
approaches. I much prefer these tyopes of discussions than American politics
and economic theory, but hey, I don't control what issues others bring to
the group that are calling out for attention.
Anyway, lastly I'd like to add a final thought, or contemplation seed
perhaps. When people use the term "truth seeker" isn't that refering to
someone who has not yet found Truth for themselves?
As in, they are still a seeker looking , rather than one who has actually
found IT.
Just a thought.
Thanks for the discussion, I'd be interested to hear your comments. And, so
glad you are here!
Cheers Sean
signon77
> Hi Rob,
>
> This is an interesting topic. I'd like to share a few things from moy pov
> about it, if that's ok.
>
Hello Sean,
Your response above was pretty fascinating. I was about to take my
wife (also an ECKist) shopping just now but thought I'd better respond
to you first.
When I first began an earnest study of the teachings I was an
undergraduate at the University of Nigeria. The designated ECK leader
on our campus stressed the importance of the Kundun, practising the
Master's presence. Mentioned on page 77 of the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad,
Book 1, what I eventually realised was that this technique makes Soul
Travel much easier for me. Harold, in a rather subtle manner also
refers to it in the latter part of his book, Past Lives Dreams and
Soul Travel where, if memory serves me correctly, he reproduces the
Shariyat quote verbatim.
I use Soul Travel here in its widest possible context, incorporating
leaving the body in full consciousness, experiencing the Light and
Sound of God and just about any spiritual experience imaginable -
including meeting ECK Masters of the Ancient Order of the Vairagi.
Publishing the exercise above was really to give people a chance to
investigate the ECK teachings on a personal, active basis should they
wish to. It wasn't directed at any one in particular.
The account of the 6th initiate who said that Harold was not the true
Living ECK Master was fascinating and illustrates how important it is
for one to build up a strong close relationship with the ECK. Once a
chela does this his/her own experiences become the final word on
truth. Even what is written in any of the ECK books should play second
fiddle to personal experience. Back in Nigeria a chela observed that
it pays to think less because less time spent thinking means more time
with the attention on the Mahanta. This remains one of the most
profound things I've ever heard yet it didn't come from an ECK book,
just the experience of a chela hell bent on practicing the Master's
presence as much as possible.
Rob
Etznab
Years ago I did an exercise and asked to have an experience
with Eck Master Rebazar Tarzs. I didn't specify what type, but
left it up to "him".
That night I had a very vivid experience with a being that look-
ed just like Rebazar Tarzs.
It wouldn't be until many years later, and after digesting Ford
Johnson's book from about 2003 to 2005, that I began to look
at the "historical" record for Rebazar Tarzs.
One reason I did that, probably the greatest reason, resulted
from reading numerous quotes in books by other authors similar,
if not identical, to what Paul Twitchell had Rebazar Tarzs saying
to him.
I looked at this from many angles. Trying to imagine how the
Eck Master Rebazar Tarzs (by that name) spoke to Paul as if
Paul were reading words out of a book. Julian Johnson's Path
Of The Masters, for one, published in 1939.
I tried to imagine it was an inner communication whereby a
guide will use words in a person's memory to inspire and / or
to communicate with them. Sentences from a book, sayings
from a master, popular legend, myth and history, etc.
It is not an uncommon phenomenon where information will
come to a person as if by their own conscience. I wondered
if this was the case for so much of Rebazar Tarzs' words in
The Far Country (the book).
There were a number of experiences & dialogues recorded
by Paul Twitchell where he got information from Eck Masters.
However - and this is the thing I'm looking to verify - some of
those encounters described Rebazar Tarzs as if not an inner
experience. Some of the history makes Rebazar Tarzs out to
be a real person that Paul Twitchell met in the physical, not
only once, but several times. Including Paul's reported trips to
India and the times when Rebazar came to his house and he
dictated manuscripts to him.
There is a difference between a person speaking words to
another - whether on the inner or the outer - telling them what
to write in a book, and a person getting the information from
their own self, IMO. From memory, their conscience, etc. if
the person allegedly speaking to them is an historical person
with a living physical body to match. Especially if the latter is
there in front of you like another person in the flesh.
I didn't describe my earlier experience with Rebazar Tarzs
because I want to keep it personal, for now (although I might
have shared it here, or online at some time in the past).
What I will describe is another experience that happened
about four or five years ago.
I asked for guidance about how to go about sorting out the
"context" of Eckankar literature that I had read. By "context"
I mean fact from fiction, myth from legend, etc. (If you read
beginning section in one of the Shariyat books it mentions
some of these - what I call - "contexts".)
Well, the answer that came to me was "Why don't you
illustrate all the history on a timeline and then take a look
at what results?" (Might not have been those exact words).
I didn't see Rebazar Tarzs, but it came as if my own con-
science were speaking to me. What amazed me, however,
was that I'd never thought about doing that before. Making
a separate timeline for Eckankar trivia exclusively. And it
came to me not long after having asked what to do.
I don't know what books you (Rob), or others have read.
And I don't know what methods you employ to verify what
is true historically from what is pseudo (or partly) true. For
myself I looked at and are familiar with a number of books
and authors the "master compiler" Paul Twitchell had acc-
ess to. Besides that I spent about five years looking at the
material by David Lane and Doug Marman. I read the book
by Ford Johnson and the statistical information he shared.
I looked at Julian Johnson's Path Of the Masters and read
the book a number of times. I read material by the Sufi
Hazrat Inayat Khan and several other gurus and masters
that Paul had contact with and / or had read their writings.
Unlike most researchers on the topic of Eckankar history
and trivia, however, I did something probably more or less
unique by putting the information on an illustrated timeline.
That file is not on the Net now, but I have added to it and
contemplated it for roughly five years now. Since about 2005.
Aside from all that, I have asked many questions and got
many answers from others on the topic of Eckankar and
the history, trivia, what is real and what is not.
I still question a number of things. Understandably.
What I'm not saying is that this is the same path - even
the same "Eckankar" - in the way that others know, or
see it. It might be fair to conclude we all have our own
"reality" and it might not compare with everybody else,
as if all were experienced by the same one undivided
being. However, I've seen people get along nevertheless.
I've seen Eckankar communities survive for decades.
I've watched people (members or not) benefit regardless
whether all their personal beliefs agreed the same.
The possibly to argue and debate is always an option.
And so is the option to dialogue. It's up to us how each
of us walk our path. IMO. Ultimately it's up to us and not
somebody else, because nobody else can walk the path
for us. This is my opinion, at least.
For the most part I don't debate and argue Eckankar
history / trivia at official Eckankar events and Worship
Services. For the most part I have not spoke a peep of
what I know, or have discovered on the topic, myself. I
would say that is a generous observance of the law of
Kamit, or silence, generally. Given the fact I've probably
attended regular Eckankar events as much as anybody
else. If not more! With froends and family I hardly ever
mention Eckankar unless they are interested, But even
then I would seek to describe it in their own "language".
On the Internet, where Eckankar is being debated
and argued over, etc. I do participate a lot more than
probably anywhere else. In spite of the sometimes
"negative" feeds, the Net has basically enriched my
experience.
I hope this helps to explain where I'm coming from
on the topic.
Etznab
Sean
Hello Sean,
Rob
-----------------------------------
Hello Rob,
Thanks so much for your reply here. How did the shopping go? :)
Sorry for the delay in my reply here, I needed to clear the decks first.
I can agree with all that have said above. It's great, imho.
such as "Even what is written in any of the ECK books should play second
fiddle to personal experience." is always good to keep in mind. I think that
the path has be found where the rubber meets the road. Folks may well be on
the same path and yet find various roads upon which their personal life
mission takes them. We can't find agreement with everyone, and that's ok and
natural.
I'd like to add a comment about what you said here about the 6th : "....
was fascinating and illustrates how important it is for one to build up a
strong close relationship with the ECK. Once a chela does this his/her own
experiences become the final word on truth."
I think if we are to take this idea to heart and follow it thru to where it
leads, then it's important to respect and not second guess or pre-judge the
causes of why people make the choices they do about something we also have a
strong interest in. That doesn't mean we can't disagree or see things
differently for ourselves. Still whether it is from our expereinces or from
our beliefs or anything else, each person be they a chela of ECK or not is
the only person who can be the final word of truth for them.
Practicing the presence is a good thing too. At times when my mind has been
doing a F1 race, simply repeating the word mahanta has helped bring things
back into balance and slow it all down. Such things are great tools. The
trick is to remember to do them. :)
Thanks for the discussion .... I'll add a few short comments on your other
reply too. cheers sean
Sean
>
>> Personally I can say that I am unaware of any direct spiritual experience
>> or
>> contact with Rebazar Tarz that I have had since I first saw his name
>> mentioned in a book well over 20 years ago. This is despite doing
>> requests
>> and exercises like you mentioned above.
>>
>
>
> Your observation above got me thinking a bit more about my experiences
> with Rebazar Tarzs. For a long while I too felt that I hadn't had any
> experiences with this ECK Master. That all changed at the 2006
> WorldWide. Shortly after we'd flown in from London I was suddenly
> aware of the nature of the help I'd been receiving on the inner planes
> from him.
>
> At our recent ECK Regional Seminar here in England I was chatting to
> Canadian ECKist about past life experiences. Although she'd had many
> past life experiences, not one had come by the "orthodox" approach of
> chanting the word MANA. A review of my own past life episodes, later
> on, revealed that only 2 of them had come to me via this method. Like
> her, the rest had come via Soul Travel exercises or simply opened up
> spontaneously while watching a movie or listening to music or
> something.
>
> One of the wonders of the path is how any experience can occur at any
> time as long as we're ready for them.
>
> Rob
Hi Rob,
I can certainly relate to your example of coming into knowledge about our
past lives.
RE : "One of the wonders of the path is how any experience can occur at any
time as long as we're ready for them."
So true .... I think it's also true that some very unexpected things can
occur when we thought we really weren't ready, or in any shape to cope. :)
Still, in the bigger picture maybe we were ready, or another thing can
happen too which is we asked for something we weren't ready for and given
the Law we got what we asked for anyway.
Anyway, you might enjoy hearing this little story. Not long after to sent
the reply before you went shopping I was going to have dinner with friends.
There was a large print of a painting/etching by an Australian Eckist of
Rebazar Tarz up on the wall.
I had never seen this rendition of Rebazar before, which is quite different
than the usual picture issued by Eckankar, and yet instantly I just knew who
it was. But more than that I feel certain that it is a more accurate
depiction of him, or at least one which *feels* more *true* for me.
He was much younger looking, the detail was as good as a photo and he had
some distinct African features as opposed to Asian/Tibetan. The effect was
immediate and I just smiled. Almost laughing to myself on the inside, it was
hard to stay focused on the greeting conversation when I arrived. As usual I
came across a little odd for a while, but there was a very good reason for
that. :)
Thanks for the chat, I enjoyed it. Glad you're here!!!
Sean
Etznab
At least, that is the first question I would ask him.
If he were a real person, that is; as opposed to what people conjure up in their imaginations.
sign...@gmail.com
sign...@gmail.com
Henosis Sage
It tells me several things all at once.
1) some peoplen can take as long as a decade to respond on a.r.e., Rob in this case.
2) But even when they do they still ignore the content of what wa said anyway.
3) Beware holding your breath too long. :-)
and
4) This is again proof positive that being nice and friendly and honest and open and positive does not help one bit.
5) For that too gets ignored when it does not compute or accord with the fixed beliefs of reality.
*twinkle*
wernertrp
RT is not real as my best friend "Sindbad der Seefahrer" is not real but useful.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSax1NO-oUw
gbo...@gmail.com
fife
OMG are you late to the party, the show, the square dance.
Is this your first rodeo with the idea of "stupid" ?
fife
Just can't resist, can you? It's like driving by an awful traffic accident. You just can't help slowing down and gawking.
fife
fife
Etznab
Gbo. Ask Rebazar Tarzs why he went and plagiarized numerous times and dictated all that to Twitchell. I mean, next time you see him, that is :)
Etznab
fife
fife
Etznab
https://www.webmd.com/schizophrenia/what-are-hallucinations
Etznab
It may not be phycosis, or hallucination. Could be active imagination ungrounded in reality.
fife
And you could be a moron who will never see beyond the tips of his shoes. What do you think?
Oh, no. On second thought, spare me what you "think". 😊
fife
P.S.
Just for the record, this is what you said about "know".
Dec 18Etznab
If you want to get technical, there is a "g" in know.
There isn't of course. There's a g in gnosis which is an english language word borrowed from greek but spelled with the latin alphabet not the greek alphabet and which comes from a root which means "to know" (particularly, spiritual knowledge).
Dec 18Etznab
If you want to get technical, there is a "g" in know.
Is a usual and typical example of your mixed up thought field at work. Which is cool. But it's not prescient.
Tisra Til
fife
4:50 PMTisra Til
If it's for me, I don't think it's formless or space. If it's for Etznab he'll probably give you a link to a dictionary definition or an etymological reference.
fife
5:20 PMme
Tisra Til
fife
Henosis Sage
That should be emblazoned on all their headstones or jars of ashes.
Henosis Sage
> Sadly, Fife's response is typical of the level of spiritual discourse on this forum. I would recommend chela-only groups on Facebook as a better choice for enlightened spiritual interaction.
On my it's TEAM WORK.
Rob's been chatting with a friend seeking some moral support for his beliefs
and commentary here. Go Rob! (big smile)
Henosis Sage
Or there's an F in Philip.
And an AUGH in Straw.
Etymology and Linguistics is not really about LETTERS.
But you **know** that right? (smile)
I AM Henosis Sage - The Truth Teller I AM!
And yet, I do not work in a Bank.
btw, there is a G in Henosis too!
Can you see it as well as gbo...@gmail.com and Rob see Rebazar Tarzs ;-)
Etznab
Etznab
fife
... and a leek, garlic, onion farmer in Leighton.
Henosis Sage
> On 5 Sep, 03:36, "Sean" <h...@du.oz.com.au> wrote:
> > Hi Rob,
> >
> > This is an interesting topic. I'd like to share a few things from moy pov
> > about it, if that's ok.
> >
> > "signon77" <signo...@googlemail.com> wrote in message
> >
> > news:f92b86eb-a1e8-4e4c...@t13g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
> > > Time and again over the years on this forum the question has arisen:
> > > Is Rebazar Tarzs real ?
> >
> > > For the sincere truth seeker - and I must stress the term "sincere
> > > truth seeker" as opposed to serial debater - there is a way to prove
> > > the reality of Rebazar Tarzs.
> >
> > precluded from being a sincere truth seeker. I believe that such comparisons
> > are a false dichotomy. Which means that for me it isn't an either or option.
> >
> > Both can exist within the same same space, imho. I am not sure why you would
> > believe there is a separation between the two. Though I can see that from
> > time to time one could opine that another is perhaps not sincere, I have
> > found that it is not the wisest thing to guess at or assume the intentions
> > and motivations of others.
> >
> > Especially on a public newsgroup which naturally develops into a style of
> > debate no matter how much one may wish or intend for it to a be an open
> > dialogue or discussion, and the sahring of various ideas and questions that
> > arise for individuals.
> >
> > At least that is the way I see it these days. Haven't always, but I do now.
> > > Tonight at bedtime, close your eyes,
> > > relax and gently place your attention on the spiritual eye, (between
> > > and slightly behind your eyebrows), and sing the word "HU" (pronounced
> > > like the man's name Hugh) for as long as you feel comfortable. Just
> > > before you fall asleep, all the while maintaining the HU chant, ask
> > > yourself this question : "Is Rebazar Tarzs real?"
> >
> >
> > Firstly, a quick scan of the topics would seem to suggest that your
> > recommendation may be being directed at a particular individual who keeps
> > raising this topic about Rebazar.
> >
> > IF so, then given they have a been an eckankar member for something like 20
> > years, wouldn't it be safe to assume that they are aware of this aspect/tool
> > of Eckankar:101 already?
> >
> > IF not, then ignore my prior comment altogether.
> >
> > Secondly, let's imagine as an example that I did exactly what you described
> > above last night and did it very sincerely.
> >
> > Nothing happened -- does this then "prove" that Rebazar Tarzs is NOT real?
> >
> > I don't think it would prove anything of the kind.
> >
> > Let's say an answer came thru as a direct spiritual inner experience that
> > said in conclusion: "Nope, rebazar is merely a creation of the imagine!"
> >
> > Does this then prove that Rebazar is not real? Again, I don't think it does
> > necessarily. And therefore if it doesn't, then the opposite is also not
> > necessarily "proof" either for all individuals.
> >
> > Do you see what I am getting at here?
> >
> > Lastly, it seems to me that one of the questions that keeps coming up is
> > whether or not Rebazar Tarz [ whatever his name in prior lives ] was
> > actually a living human being on Earth, just like you and me are.
> >
> > I think that there is a difference between accepting whether or not Rebazar
> > as described in the texts is a spiritual being voicing the spiritual
> > teachings of ECK, appearing to Eckists and others on the "inner" and
> > subsequently accepting that as true or proof, .... as opposed to questioning
> > whether or not he lived on earth during a particular time frame and walked
> > and talked just like Paul or Harold are known to have done.
> >
> > Can you see the difference here Rob, and accept that others have there own
> > ways and means of working through their own personal life issues/quest, for
> > their own reasons?
> > > Years ago in Nigeria I used this same technique to prove to myself
> > > that Sri Harold Klemp is the Mahanta, the Living ECK Master of our
> > > times. At the time, sincere truth seekers, I had my doubts.
> >
> > > May the blessings be.
> >
> > > Rob
> >
> >
> > To me that means that there is never a need to force anything. Things come
> > to us all when we are each ready.
> >
> > Personally I can say that I am unaware of any direct spiritual experience or
> > contact with Rebazar Tarz that I have had since I first saw his name
> > mentioned in a book well over 20 years ago. This is despite doing requests
> > and exercises like you mentioned above.
> >
> > I don't take this as being a "proof" that Rebazar Tarz does not exist, or
> > isn't real. Simply speaking, I do not know either way. In fact, such an
> > issue is not important to me, and changes nothing. I simply accept that
> > those people that have had experiences that they either *believe* are real,
> > or *know* are real, are genuine. But others opinions, beliefs and
> > experiences are not my concern, and neither do they influence me to think a
> > particular way or another.
> >
> > I haven't always approached things this way, but have for a long time now,
> > and that works great for me.
> >
> > A few years back I was at a major seminar and a 7th Initiate was giving a
> > very vibrant and energetic talk on stage almost bouncing out of his skin. He
> > said, and I will quote it verbatim for you here : "Sri Harold Klemp is God
> > on Earth." end quote
> >
> > Only a few months before this, another HI, I think a 6th at the time told me
> > point blank that Sri Harold was no longer the Mahanta, hadn't been for some
> > time, and that he was refusing to step aside for the new one. He even gave
> > me the new man's spiritual name.
> >
> > Who should I believe? Which one should I listen to? <G>
> >
> > Really this topic is a good one Rob, as it opens up all sorts of notions and
> > approaches. I much prefer these tyopes of discussions than American politics
> > and economic theory, but hey, I don't control what issues others bring to
> > the group that are calling out for attention.
> >
> > Anyway, lastly I'd like to add a final thought, or contemplation seed
> > perhaps. When people use the term "truth seeker" isn't that refering to
> > someone who has not yet found Truth for themselves?
> >
> > As in, they are still a seeker looking , rather than one who has actually
> > found IT.
> >
> > Just a thought.
> >
> > Thanks for the discussion, I'd be interested to hear your comments. And, so
> > glad you are here!
> >
> > Cheers Sean
> Hello Sean,
> Your response above was pretty fascinating. I was about to take my
> wife (also an ECKist) shopping just now but thought I'd better respond
> to you first.
> When I first began an earnest study of the teachings I was an
> undergraduate at the University of Nigeria. The designated ECK leader
> on our campus stressed the importance of the Kundun, practising the
> Master's presence. Mentioned on page 77 of the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad,
> Book 1, what I eventually realised was that this technique makes Soul
> Travel much easier for me. Harold, in a rather subtle manner also
> refers to it in the latter part of his book, Past Lives Dreams and
> Soul Travel where, if memory serves me correctly, he reproduces the
> Shariyat quote verbatim.
> I use Soul Travel here in its widest possible context, incorporating
> leaving the body in full consciousness, experiencing the Light and
> Sound of God and just about any spiritual experience imaginable -
> including meeting ECK Masters of the Ancient Order of the Vairagi.
> Publishing the exercise above was really to give people a chance to
> investigate the ECK teachings on a personal, active basis should they
> wish to. It wasn't directed at any one in particular.
> The account of the 6th initiate who said that Harold was not the true
> Living ECK Master was fascinating and illustrates how important it is
> for one to build up a strong close relationship with the ECK. Once a
> chela does this his/her own experiences become the final word on
> truth. Even what is written in any of the ECK books should play second
> fiddle to personal experience. Back in Nigeria a chela observed that
> it pays to think less because less time spent thinking means more time
> with the attention on the Mahanta. This remains one of the most
> profound things I've ever heard yet it didn't come from an ECK book,
> just the experience of a chela hell bent on practicing the Master's
> presence as much as possible.
> Rob
RE KUNDUN .....AND ROB'[S REPLY......"The designated ECK leader
on our campus stressed the importance of the Kundun, practising the
Master's presence. Mentioned on page 77 of the Shariyat-Ki-Sugmad,
Book 1, what I eventually realised was that this technique makes Soul
Travel much easier for me. Harold, in a rather subtle manner also
refers to it in the latter part of his book, Past Lives Dreams and
Soul Travel where, if memory serves me correctly, he reproduces the
Shariyat quote verbatim.
I use Soul Travel here in its widest possible context, incorporating
leaving the body in full consciousness, experiencing the Light and
Sound of God and just about any spiritual experience imaginable -
including meeting ECK Masters of the Ancient Order of the Vairagi."
meditation techniques are one thing ....
but FWIW Kundun was also the name given to the child deemed to be the next dalai lama of tibet.
and
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