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Etznab
Jun 15, 2015, 10:55:57 PM6/15/15
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Please elaborate on the following:
Kinpa wrote: "... but why are YOU so unable to let another be? ... ."
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/DlzYeLgqcA0
Who is this "another"? Is it you? Kinpa? Is it other people who you (and others perhaps) don't want to learn about pseudo-masters?
Kinpa wrote: "... but why are YOU so unable to let another be? ... ."
https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/DlzYeLgqcA0
Who is this "another"? Is it you? Kinpa? Is it other people who you (and others perhaps) don't want to learn about pseudo-masters?
Kinpa
Jun 16, 2015, 12:30:51 AM6/16/15
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Etznab
Jun 16, 2015, 8:29:31 AM6/16/15
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If there were nothing to worry about then you and others would not be the least disturbed, concerned and forcing opinions onto me, or others, about our own beliefs, our own lives, our own bodies, own neighborhoods, parties and friends, etc.
I refer to the sick and twisted things you said about my consumption habits, my friends and places I go. How I called you on that and other things not being true and that your supposed remote viewing abilities were wrong. Then you, yes you, Kinpa, insisted I was wrong and you were right. So there is an example of someone trying to force their opinions onto another.
And I think you should remember I gave written examples of your writings so that everybody could see I was not making these things up what I have said about you. Even just yesterday I again showed the very example just referred to.
I see you want to remove your own faults as if to put them onto others, but given your habit of making things up good luck with that. I can call you and remind you about all of your mean and nasty lies.
Also I am referring (see above paragraphs) to the many other people from a.r.e. in the past who have also felt threatened by the beliefs and opinions of other people, and to the point of denial. I refer to their personal attacks against other people who didn't agree with their faith in Eck Masters who later were discovered to be so many plagiarisms.
Kinpa
Jun 16, 2015, 12:21:59 PM6/16/15
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On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 12:29:31 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> On Monday, June 15, 2015 at 11:30:51 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 2:55:57 AM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > Please elaborate on the following:
> > >
> > > Kinpa wrote: "... but why are YOU so unable to let another be? ... ."
> > >
> > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/DlzYeLgqcA0
> > >
> > > Who is this "another"? Is it you? Kinpa? Is it other people who you (and others perhaps) don't want to learn about pseudo-masters?
> >
> > It is everyone that doesn't agree with you, why? Do you think you have a right to force YOUR opinions down another's throat? That you are an authority on who is or is not a pseudo-master? I do not think you have the experience with either to properly discern one from the other, however, despite my disagreeing, I still do not try to force MY opinions down YOUR throat...the way you worded this you sound as if you expect to be able to force your opinions into another's mind....you both seem to have NO ability to agree to disagree, and often it appears as if YOU have the denial at play within yourself, and that that potentially is the very reason you act this way...or perhaps it is because you have become overly used to having no one disagree with you for many years, or have you failed to notice that I am pretty much the only person that posts here besides you, seanie and werner....there is only one other ECKist that ever posts here....you never allow anyone to have their own opinion, and this is proven by many of your posts...
>
> I see. It's a defensive posture where reality feels threatened by the truth.
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> On Monday, June 15, 2015 at 11:30:51 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 2:55:57 AM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > Please elaborate on the following:
> > >
> > > Kinpa wrote: "... but why are YOU so unable to let another be? ... ."
> > >
> > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/DlzYeLgqcA0
> > >
> > > Who is this "another"? Is it you? Kinpa? Is it other people who you (and others perhaps) don't want to learn about pseudo-masters?
> >
> > It is everyone that doesn't agree with you, why? Do you think you have a right to force YOUR opinions down another's throat? That you are an authority on who is or is not a pseudo-master? I do not think you have the experience with either to properly discern one from the other, however, despite my disagreeing, I still do not try to force MY opinions down YOUR throat...the way you worded this you sound as if you expect to be able to force your opinions into another's mind....you both seem to have NO ability to agree to disagree, and often it appears as if YOU have the denial at play within yourself, and that that potentially is the very reason you act this way...or perhaps it is because you have become overly used to having no one disagree with you for many years, or have you failed to notice that I am pretty much the only person that posts here besides you, seanie and werner....there is only one other ECKist that ever posts here....you never allow anyone to have their own opinion, and this is proven by many of your posts...
>
> I see. It's a defensive posture where reality feels threatened by the truth.
No Richard, but it DOES seem that YOU are feeling defensive about it, is that merely because I just don't agree with you? That is entirely my own choice, you might consider learning to let things go, you have absolutely NO say over what another perceives, or his opinion of it. Get used to that, it won't ever change. And once again do not falsely accuse me of defensiveness, there was never a defense needed on my part, therefore I would never so much as attempt to make one, there is just NO need for it.
> If there were nothing to worry about then you and others would not be the least disturbed, concerned and forcing opinions onto me, or others, about our own beliefs, our own lives, our own bodies, own neighborhoods, parties and friends, etc.
>
> I refer to the sick and twisted things you said about my consumption habits, my friends and places I go. How I called you on that and other things not being true and that your supposed remote viewing abilities were wrong. Then you, yes you, Kinpa, insisted I was wrong and you were right. So there is an example of someone trying to force their opinions onto another.
That simply is not it however. But I allow you the right to perceive it that way if you choose to, however, that only relates to you and your perceptions, it does not make it accurate or true, it is simply your opinion. I didn't in any way try to force any opinion of mine on you, I merely stated that my opinion has every right to exist just as your own does. You do not have to agree, but mine won't be going away either. That's just how life works.
> And I think you should remember I gave written examples of your writings so that everybody could see I was not making these things up what I have said about you. Even just yesterday I again showed the very example just referred to.
How could I not be aware of that Richard? You seem to be going to extremes once again to force YOUR opinion down my throat! However, I have already given you leave to have your opinion, so you need not feel threatened. My opinion is here with us in the room too, get used to that, I am.
> I see you want to remove your own faults as if to put them onto others, but given your habit of making things up good luck with that. I can call you and remind you about all of your mean and nasty lies.
Now see? Here you go yet again trying to do exactly what you accuse me of doing! I have no habit of making things up, in fact, if anything, the things I say are proven true more times than not. You are welcomed to having your own opinion about the matter however, but DO realize, that my opinion will not change to meet yours just because you demand it should.
> Also I am referring (see above paragraphs) to the many other people from a.r.e. in the past who have also felt threatened by the beliefs and opinions of other people, and to the point of denial. I refer to their personal attacks against other people who didn't agree with their faith in Eck Masters who later were discovered to be so many plagiarisms.
Who are you to speak of them? Now you are "talking out of school," a bad habit. Let those individuals speak for themselves, because all that you have to offer is merely your opinion of what happened to them. Do you see the pattern yet? The denial isn't following anyone else around, it is following YOU! Why? Because it belongs to YOU! Good luck in finding a solution for that problem Richard.
As I have repeated almost endlessly here in recent years, there ARE a great many who simply do NOT care about plagiarism! That must be an astounding revelation to you, being that you use it for your support mechanism, but the problem with that is that it just has no use in every circle of people. It appears to me to be a limitation that you are willingly hauling around with you. Being that only YOU made that choice, why do you so often insist that others value it as much as you do? That, if anything, seems like a defense mechanism, and one you seem unable to do without. You might consider freeing yourself from it, as well as the desire and inclination to convert all others to YOUR religion, that of Anti-ECKist. If anyone wants to join, I'm sure they would let you know.
Kinpa
Jun 16, 2015, 3:54:36 PM6/16/15
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On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 12:29:31 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
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Jun 16, 2015, 7:52:09 PM6/16/15
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Jun 16, 2015, 10:47:30 PM6/16/15
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If you haven't noticed that, try paying attention. I know you HAVE seen it at points in the past, but, will you ever again? How freely do you REALLY think? That's a rhetorical question btw, the answer matters not to me, but should you ask it, you might pay attention to the way you answer it.
Etznab
Jun 17, 2015, 8:28:57 AM6/17/15
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Have you proved the existence of Rebazar Tarzs?
Kinpa
Jun 18, 2015, 12:28:27 AM6/18/15
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Henosis Sage
Jun 18, 2015, 12:45:47 AM6/18/15
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MIRROR MIRROR
"End of story. What you choose to do with your own mind is your own
business, however, you incessantly attempt to convert people."
Etznab
Jun 18, 2015, 12:48:02 AM6/18/15
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You wrote: "I have never so much as attempted to. Why would I? It is not my concern what is proven to you or anyone else, I am only concerned with what is proven to me. ... ."
Isn't that special.
Kinpa
Jun 18, 2015, 12:57:17 AM6/18/15
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Jun 18, 2015, 12:59:31 AM6/18/15
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Henosis Sage
Jun 18, 2015, 1:09:29 AM6/18/15
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re: "I have never told you that ................."
THIS DYSFUNCTIONAL IDIOT CAN NEVER REMEMBER WHAT HE SAID A MINUTE AGO, LET ALONE A WEEK OR YEARS PAST...
SHOW A POST FROM YESTERDAY AND HE CONTINUES TO DENY WHAT HE SAID.
SOME PEOPLE ON THE LFN SITE MIGHT FIND THIS KIND OF BEHAVIOUR AS SUPERIOR
AND SPIRITUAL AND DYNAMIC AND ASSERTIVE AND JUSTIFIABLE, and all bout Wisdom, Charity and Freedom .. the Doctrine of ECK.
But people can come to believe all kinds of SHIT and ERRORS and LIES.
Etznab
Jun 18, 2015, 6:12:15 PM6/18/15
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Etznab
Jun 18, 2015, 6:15:11 PM6/18/15
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Kinpa writes: You have never proven that I ever attempted to convert anyone to Eckankar, this is just another empty claim you make daily. Karma shall introduce itself to you however, wait and see. All of the false accusations you have made will be things that enter your life, wait, watch and see...then come back and deny it ever happened!
And when other people use the word karma you turn deaf.
How old are you?
Kinpa
Jun 18, 2015, 10:04:27 PM6/18/15
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On Thursday, June 18, 2015 at 5:05:48 AM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:
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>
> SUCH A DUMB IDIOT THIS SICK CRETIN IS ..... LONI HAAS, WTF WERE YOU THINKING????
You are no one to talk....you have quite a history that is STILL available on the net (despite your claimed lawsuits that never happened) so, keep on talking, whatever gets YOU through the night, however, I still do not care a whole lot...
>
> "You have never proven that I ever attempted to convert anyone to Eckankar"
>
> No one needs to when he HAS proven it himself ALL BY HIMSELF, ALL OVER THE INTERNET
> "You have never proven that I ever attempted to convert anyone to Eckankar"
>
>
> SUCH A DUMB IDIOT THIS SICK CRETIN IS ..... LONI HAAS, WTF WERE YOU THINKING????
You are no one to talk....you have quite a history that is STILL available on the net (despite your claimed lawsuits that never happened) so, keep on talking, whatever gets YOU through the night, however, I still do not care a whole lot...
Kinpa
Jun 18, 2015, 10:06:02 PM6/18/15
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Henosis Sage
Jun 18, 2015, 11:12:26 PM6/18/15
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OH FUCK OFF WITH YOUR CHILDISH DISINGENUOUS LYING AD NAUSEUM
How old are you? Maybe these matters should be heard in the Children's Courts?
Henosis Sage
Jun 18, 2015, 11:24:24 PM6/18/15
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Dickhead: "....you have quite a history that is STILL available on the net"
Yes I do. It's called "my personal reputation" across 17 years that stands on
it's own. You're suck hole opinion does not rate; and your repeated Defamations,
intentional LIES, and Online Abuse will be attacked vociferously in Court and
the proper action taken to defend my public reputation ... no matter what YOU
think about that is IRRELEVANT, as it is a matter of Law and not "opinion".
The facts are the facts.
Your posts here will be deleted by Court Order.
Your TWO google account/s will be deleted by Court Order.
You will be made by Court Order to APOLOGIZE PUBLICLY AND WITHDRAW EVERY FALSE
CLAIM AND LIE YOU HAVE TOLD ABOUT ME.
You will be forced to PAY Compensation and Court Costs by Court Order.
Those Court Orders will be forwarded to the US Justice Department for consideration of any US Laws that have been broken in the process.
And Forwarded to Comcast, Google and Yahoo as well.
And Forwarded to Loni Haas and Peter Skelskey of ECKANKAR.
... and more! LOMAO~~~!!!
FUCK YOU ARSEHOLE .. you're an Idiot.
Kinpa
Jun 19, 2015, 12:25:42 AM6/19/15
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Kinpa
Jun 19, 2015, 12:33:06 AM6/19/15
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The word, as used by you, is spelt "your". Your personal reputatiopn is a thing that only Etznab will support...I have yet to see anyone else speak up for you. Your spam emails are also on record, for your information...
> intentional LIES, and Online Abuse will be attacked vociferously in Court and
> the proper action taken to defend my public reputation ... no matter what YOU
> think about that is IRRELEVANT, as it is a matter of Law and not "opinion".
>
> The facts are the facts.
I can't wait to see you get to the US! Let me know when and I'll come pick you up at the airport! Don't forget that lawyer! I'll be in court with bells on! Count on that!
> Your posts here will be deleted by Court Order.
> Your TWO google account/s will be deleted by Court Order.
> You will be made by Court Order to APOLOGIZE PUBLICLY AND WITHDRAW EVERY FALSE
> CLAIM AND LIE YOU HAVE TOLD ABOUT ME.
> You will be forced to PAY Compensation and Court Costs by Court Order.
> Those Court Orders will be forwarded to the US Justice Department for consideration of any US Laws that have been broken in the process.
> And Forwarded to Comcast, Google and Yahoo as well.
> And Forwarded to Loni Haas and Peter Skelskey of ECKANKAR.
Wrong on ALL counts, but you go ahead with it, as I have always said, I have already been waiting for months since the first time you threatened me with this. Still not running away from you OR from anyone else. I would be happy to repeat the things I actually DID say...be sure to bring proof that you did NOT add anything into your claimed quotes! And send that to eberyone also with the other stuff...
> ... and more! LOMAO~~~!!!
>
> FUCK YOU ARSEHOLE .. you're an Idiot.
More? was that another threat? BRING IT! Talk is extremely cheap, especially on the internet! I have over 1400 witnesses that will gladly speak on my behalf, so I am quite ready for you seanie-boy, as I have always said!
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Jun 19, 2015, 6:48:21 PM6/19/15
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On Friday, June 19, 2015 at 5:57:36 AM UTC, Henosis Sage wrote:
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> DROP DEAD YOU PIECE OF SHIT
Not going to happen, but have a great day despite that fact!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPcJEamJk-s
>
> DROP DEAD YOU PIECE OF SHIT
Not going to happen, but have a great day despite that fact!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DPcJEamJk-s
Etznab
Jun 19, 2015, 7:37:38 PM6/19/15
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On Monday, June 15, 2015 at 11:30:51 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
"It is everyone that doesn't agree with you, why? ..."
That looks to me very defensive on your part, along with the other language in that response. Defensive to the point of paranoia and delusions.
And you expect me to believe that you don't try to force opinions down the throat?; instead trying to project blame on anybody but yourself?
Remember I called you on many things Kinpa and you denied what I said, then you insisted on your opinions instead.
I don't believe you, Kinpa. I call you a liar here because - as much as you might want to deny and refuse to take responsibility for your actions - you can't fool everybody.
Kinpa
Jun 19, 2015, 9:18:09 PM6/19/15
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On Friday, June 19, 2015 at 11:37:38 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> On Monday, June 15, 2015 at 11:30:51 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 2:55:57 AM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > Please elaborate on the following:
> > >
> > > Kinpa wrote: "... but why are YOU so unable to let another be? ... ."
> > >
> > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/DlzYeLgqcA0
> > >
> > > Who is this "another"? Is it you? Kinpa? Is it other people who you (and others perhaps) don't want to learn about pseudo-masters?
> >
> > It is everyone that doesn't agree with you, why? Do you think you have a right to force YOUR opinions down another's throat? That you are an authority on who is or is not a pseudo-master? I do not think you have the experience with either to properly discern one from the other, however, despite my disagreeing, I still do not try to force MY opinions down YOUR throat...the way you worded this you sound as if you expect to be able to force your opinions into another's mind....you both seem to have NO ability to agree to disagree, and often it appears as if YOU have the denial at play within yourself, and that that potentially is the very reason you act this way...or perhaps it is because you have become overly used to having no one disagree with you for many years, or have you failed to notice that I am pretty much the only person that posts here besides you, seanie and werner....there is only one other ECKist that ever posts here....you never allow anyone to have their own opinion, and this is proven by many of your posts...
>
> Kinpa is speaking for everyone who doesn't agree with me?
>
> "It is everyone that doesn't agree with you, why? ..."
>------------------------------------------------------------
> On Monday, June 15, 2015 at 11:30:51 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 2:55:57 AM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > > Please elaborate on the following:
> > >
> > > Kinpa wrote: "... but why are YOU so unable to let another be? ... ."
> > >
> > > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/DlzYeLgqcA0
> > >
> > > Who is this "another"? Is it you? Kinpa? Is it other people who you (and others perhaps) don't want to learn about pseudo-masters?
> >
> > It is everyone that doesn't agree with you, why? Do you think you have a right to force YOUR opinions down another's throat? That you are an authority on who is or is not a pseudo-master? I do not think you have the experience with either to properly discern one from the other, however, despite my disagreeing, I still do not try to force MY opinions down YOUR throat...the way you worded this you sound as if you expect to be able to force your opinions into another's mind....you both seem to have NO ability to agree to disagree, and often it appears as if YOU have the denial at play within yourself, and that that potentially is the very reason you act this way...or perhaps it is because you have become overly used to having no one disagree with you for many years, or have you failed to notice that I am pretty much the only person that posts here besides you, seanie and werner....there is only one other ECKist that ever posts here....you never allow anyone to have their own opinion, and this is proven by many of your posts...
>
> Kinpa is speaking for everyone who doesn't agree with me?
>
> "It is everyone that doesn't agree with you, why? ..."
They call that "common sense" a thing you seem to be unaware of by the things you say....why so huffy tonight Richard?
> That looks to me very defensive on your part, along with the other language in that response. Defensive to the point of paranoia and delusions.
As always, you are welcomed to your OPINION, but that IS all it is, so why do you state it as if it has some value to anyone but yourself?
> And you expect me to believe that you don't try to force opinions down the throat?; instead trying to project blame on anybody but yourself?
I expect nothing from you, other than that you WILL be what you are...there is no projecting blame on my part, but I witness that you are attempting to do the very same thing you accuse me of....funny how that works for you...
> Remember I called you on many things Kinpa and you denied what I said, then you insisted on your opinions instead.
Have a problem with that? Sorry, but I simply do not care, you might consider finding someone who does, perhaps seanie-boy or a local psychologist might respond with what you want to hear...
> I don't believe you, Kinpa. I call you a liar here because - as much as you might want to deny and refuse to take responsibility for your actions - you can't fool everybody.
I care not what you believe, and you are a liar, deal with it, if you don't like that, that is tough luck for you. I am fooling no one, there are only the two of you continual;ly accusing that, however, your repeated attempts are meaningless and they prove nothing, now run along and take your opinion with you, you need it far more than I do...you have been excused, have a great evening!
Henosis Sage
Jun 20, 2015, 3:00:49 AM6/20/15
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On Saturday, 20 June 2015 08:48:21 UTC+10, Kinpa wrote: "Not going to happen"
YOU WANNA BET?
LMAO~~~!!!
I guarantee you a re DEAD WRONG in that dumb belief.
Can't stop the lying.
Can't stop posting here.
Can't help yourself.
SO .. how the fuck do you expect to be qualified to help anyone else?
Stupid jack ass, lying scum bag, and the biggest hypocrite I have ever
had the displeasure to know.
Time for a shower, to wash the slime off me.
YOU WANNA BET?
LMAO~~~!!!
I guarantee you a re DEAD WRONG in that dumb belief.
Can't stop the lying.
Can't stop posting here.
Can't help yourself.
SO .. how the fuck do you expect to be qualified to help anyone else?
Stupid jack ass, lying scum bag, and the biggest hypocrite I have ever
had the displeasure to know.
Time for a shower, to wash the slime off me.
Kinpa
Jun 20, 2015, 1:11:13 PM6/20/15
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Henosis Sage
Jun 20, 2015, 1:29:27 PM6/20/15
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Have a great Saturday afternoon :-)
Henosis Sage
Jun 20, 2015, 5:11:13 PM6/20/15
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In Eckankar we refer to this as the Law of Non-Interference, which states " Anyone who uses any means of change or influence on another's mind, including prayer, is violating a law of spiritual consciousness." *
A person's space is no different than a home owned by one, no one can enter it unless first invited or allowed by the owner, and any who enter under any other circumstance, is a CRIMINAL.
GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY SPACE NOW
3. Psychic Space and the Law of Non-Interference © 2014 - Matt Sharpe
One thing that can often make for problematic situations amongst groups of people is the idea of, or lack of, recognized psychic space by which is meant the emotional and varying mental aspects of space, both on the inner planes and relating states of consciousness, as well as the inner states of every human being in the Physical Realm. The boundaries of these are often not recognized or shared between any group in particular, and that only becomes harder between different groups of people, one often refusing to respect the space and freedom of choice, as well as the basic right to make a choice of any other. In Eckankar we refer to this as the Law of Non-Interference, which states " Anyone who uses any means of change or influence on another's mind, including prayer, is violating a law of spiritual consciousness." *
A person's space is no different than a home owned by one, no one can enter it unless first invited or allowed by the owner, and any who enter under any other circumstance, is a criminal. And this works to the same extent in reverse. It can be said that a person's space extends right out to the point where another's begins. Any individual who is minding their own business, and is not stepping out into another's, may do as they see fit, so long as it harms no other. A situation where a person wants another to do a thing that they have said no to, who then proceeds to attempt to talk the person into doing that thing, is quite literally attempting mind control. There are no exceptions within that framework. Not many would recognize such a simple, everyday situation such as that as being an attempt at mind control until it is done to themselves, where it suddenly becomes far more obvious.
One who has perceptive "gifts", that can perceive more deeply than the average person must also be very careful not to invade another's space without first gaining permission. While they might well have a flow of information incoming that can be turned off, also if one hasn't yet learned how to do that, the very least they can do is be respectful and remain silent. Not everything that comes in necessarily needs to be said aloud. This is often a matter of self-control, and if one says something that causes a disturbance, they may find themselves rightfully to blame for that.
In any such case where one's psychic space has been invaded, there will always be a karmic debt incurred. This is simply another way of saying that that individual that used the invasive behavior has chosen to learn the principles of the lesson in a harder way, one that is generally referred to as "bad" karma. When this happens, the individual themselves have made and are responsible for, the choice that brought the karma into being. Because of this, they and they alone can re-balance the scales, and in every case, the way this occurs is by completing the cycle of karma and learning the lesson, also putting into being a more evolved choice which proves the lesson has indeed been learned. Thenceforth the individual can recognize the same circumstances in a great many situations and have better options to deal with them and by doing that, avoid a cycle of repeating the same mistakes.
Where the psychic space of others and the Law of Non-Interference are concerned, the Golden Rule definitely applies: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." And after applying the Law of Karma to it, one might add to the quote: "Because they WILL!" Those that consistently indulge themselves in following a double standard will undoubtedly find that karmic law is very detailed and accurate. It cannot be dodged or outrun, and it never falls victim to trickery and cannot be deceived.
A thing as simple as talking someone into something, is nothing less than an attempt at mind control as well as an invasion of another's space that might not seem so obvious at first glance. The fact that a person needs to be talked into a thing denotes that they are not willing to engage in it to begin with, and thus, an attempt to change that person's decision is invasive. Many have no idea of this fact. It is no different when a child seeks to talk a parent into giving them a liberty they might otherwise not have available to them, however, in such a case generally no grudge is held and rightly so, however, after a certain age, such things will most often no longer be tolerated. It lasts as long as does that child's cuteness, and is outgrown quickly.
One aspect of "space" in general that isn't often considered at all is whether or not a person is extending their own space outward to include things they would rather not include or be affected by. Often this can be causing a reaction unconsciously for one. A thing one had never thought of as having any effect on them can be having an unknown effect that isn't so easily recognized by all. It pays to become aware of all of the things one's attention is extended to include. Some of the time problems can actually be drawn towards ourselves by ourselves acting in an unconscious way. What I mean is that we don't always realize the true effect a thing might have upon us, so that we continue onward never realizing that a thing we have extended our attention in some way out to include might have a negative effect upon us, and the only way to remove that is to become aware of it, and removing our attention and thus our state of consciousness away from it, and in this way becoming better aware of the true effect a thing can have in this way, so that we can look out for this happening again. For example, one might think something not so nice or considerate about a friend, based on a prejudicial attitude one some aspect of that person's life, one which is completely within their rights to have. By not having been aware of in the first place, our mistake in judgment, and in the second place, the effect of said judgment, we can bring negativity into our purview that we would rather not have to deal with.
In this case a more honest and complete view of the self is needed, as well as the development of a less judgmental view of others and the choices some might make. Nothing less than adapting in this way will begin chipping away at the formation of a less than advantageous point of view of others. It is generally not a terrible way of looking at a situation, by placing ourselves in that other's position so as to gain a notion of what it would be like were positions reversed. This can go far for developing degrees of consideration that may not have been so easily come by before then.
The idea of psychic space is on one hand a very familiar concept to some, but on the other hand, almost unheard or thought of by many others, and because of this the rules regarding it are often unclear to many. Healing of any sort is a thing that falls very much within the area of an individual's space, and stands at risk to be possibly invaded by those unaware of the limits of their own free will, which are of course up to the point at which another's space begins. Any average doctor would never begin medical treatment until any potential patient came to them willingly, seeking medical help. This obvious situation is many times much less obvious in the area of psychic or spiritual healers, and most often this is the specific area where invasions occur.
This area shares a considerable amount with various religious groups that proselytize. If one hasn't actually asked or expressed interest in the "help" it simply cannot be given to a person, especially under the guise of doing a thing deemed (by another) to be for their own best interests. A happy Muslim isn't likely to enjoy having Jehova's Witnesses coming to their door weekly attempting to "save" them by convincing them to change their religion. In the very same way any healer will find it not only impossible to heal a person that hasn't yet asked to be healed, but also that if they go forward uninvited with such an action, there will be a heavy karmic burden to bear. These things, regardless of motivation, break spiritual law and bear a karmic price.
And on the positive side of this, if a person is unwell and asks for a healing, or for further infprmation on a different spiritual path than the one they had been on, an interested person can certainly offer aid and information that they might have the capacity to perform. And the very same standard applies to inner spiritual teachings, one who considers themselves, or is considered by others to be a teacher, and who actually has the ability to channel spiritual teachings and experience to a student, cannot ever do so without first asking permission, or being invited to do so, this is a part of the Law of Non-Interference, the same law governs all three of those various but similar circumstances.
A person's space is no different than a home owned by one, no one can enter it unless first invited or allowed by the owner, and any who enter under any other circumstance, is a CRIMINAL.
GET THE FUCK OUT OF MY SPACE NOW
3. Psychic Space and the Law of Non-Interference © 2014 - Matt Sharpe
One thing that can often make for problematic situations amongst groups of people is the idea of, or lack of, recognized psychic space by which is meant the emotional and varying mental aspects of space, both on the inner planes and relating states of consciousness, as well as the inner states of every human being in the Physical Realm. The boundaries of these are often not recognized or shared between any group in particular, and that only becomes harder between different groups of people, one often refusing to respect the space and freedom of choice, as well as the basic right to make a choice of any other. In Eckankar we refer to this as the Law of Non-Interference, which states " Anyone who uses any means of change or influence on another's mind, including prayer, is violating a law of spiritual consciousness." *
A person's space is no different than a home owned by one, no one can enter it unless first invited or allowed by the owner, and any who enter under any other circumstance, is a criminal. And this works to the same extent in reverse. It can be said that a person's space extends right out to the point where another's begins. Any individual who is minding their own business, and is not stepping out into another's, may do as they see fit, so long as it harms no other. A situation where a person wants another to do a thing that they have said no to, who then proceeds to attempt to talk the person into doing that thing, is quite literally attempting mind control. There are no exceptions within that framework. Not many would recognize such a simple, everyday situation such as that as being an attempt at mind control until it is done to themselves, where it suddenly becomes far more obvious.
One who has perceptive "gifts", that can perceive more deeply than the average person must also be very careful not to invade another's space without first gaining permission. While they might well have a flow of information incoming that can be turned off, also if one hasn't yet learned how to do that, the very least they can do is be respectful and remain silent. Not everything that comes in necessarily needs to be said aloud. This is often a matter of self-control, and if one says something that causes a disturbance, they may find themselves rightfully to blame for that.
In any such case where one's psychic space has been invaded, there will always be a karmic debt incurred. This is simply another way of saying that that individual that used the invasive behavior has chosen to learn the principles of the lesson in a harder way, one that is generally referred to as "bad" karma. When this happens, the individual themselves have made and are responsible for, the choice that brought the karma into being. Because of this, they and they alone can re-balance the scales, and in every case, the way this occurs is by completing the cycle of karma and learning the lesson, also putting into being a more evolved choice which proves the lesson has indeed been learned. Thenceforth the individual can recognize the same circumstances in a great many situations and have better options to deal with them and by doing that, avoid a cycle of repeating the same mistakes.
Where the psychic space of others and the Law of Non-Interference are concerned, the Golden Rule definitely applies: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you." And after applying the Law of Karma to it, one might add to the quote: "Because they WILL!" Those that consistently indulge themselves in following a double standard will undoubtedly find that karmic law is very detailed and accurate. It cannot be dodged or outrun, and it never falls victim to trickery and cannot be deceived.
A thing as simple as talking someone into something, is nothing less than an attempt at mind control as well as an invasion of another's space that might not seem so obvious at first glance. The fact that a person needs to be talked into a thing denotes that they are not willing to engage in it to begin with, and thus, an attempt to change that person's decision is invasive. Many have no idea of this fact. It is no different when a child seeks to talk a parent into giving them a liberty they might otherwise not have available to them, however, in such a case generally no grudge is held and rightly so, however, after a certain age, such things will most often no longer be tolerated. It lasts as long as does that child's cuteness, and is outgrown quickly.
One aspect of "space" in general that isn't often considered at all is whether or not a person is extending their own space outward to include things they would rather not include or be affected by. Often this can be causing a reaction unconsciously for one. A thing one had never thought of as having any effect on them can be having an unknown effect that isn't so easily recognized by all. It pays to become aware of all of the things one's attention is extended to include. Some of the time problems can actually be drawn towards ourselves by ourselves acting in an unconscious way. What I mean is that we don't always realize the true effect a thing might have upon us, so that we continue onward never realizing that a thing we have extended our attention in some way out to include might have a negative effect upon us, and the only way to remove that is to become aware of it, and removing our attention and thus our state of consciousness away from it, and in this way becoming better aware of the true effect a thing can have in this way, so that we can look out for this happening again. For example, one might think something not so nice or considerate about a friend, based on a prejudicial attitude one some aspect of that person's life, one which is completely within their rights to have. By not having been aware of in the first place, our mistake in judgment, and in the second place, the effect of said judgment, we can bring negativity into our purview that we would rather not have to deal with.
In this case a more honest and complete view of the self is needed, as well as the development of a less judgmental view of others and the choices some might make. Nothing less than adapting in this way will begin chipping away at the formation of a less than advantageous point of view of others. It is generally not a terrible way of looking at a situation, by placing ourselves in that other's position so as to gain a notion of what it would be like were positions reversed. This can go far for developing degrees of consideration that may not have been so easily come by before then.
The idea of psychic space is on one hand a very familiar concept to some, but on the other hand, almost unheard or thought of by many others, and because of this the rules regarding it are often unclear to many. Healing of any sort is a thing that falls very much within the area of an individual's space, and stands at risk to be possibly invaded by those unaware of the limits of their own free will, which are of course up to the point at which another's space begins. Any average doctor would never begin medical treatment until any potential patient came to them willingly, seeking medical help. This obvious situation is many times much less obvious in the area of psychic or spiritual healers, and most often this is the specific area where invasions occur.
This area shares a considerable amount with various religious groups that proselytize. If one hasn't actually asked or expressed interest in the "help" it simply cannot be given to a person, especially under the guise of doing a thing deemed (by another) to be for their own best interests. A happy Muslim isn't likely to enjoy having Jehova's Witnesses coming to their door weekly attempting to "save" them by convincing them to change their religion. In the very same way any healer will find it not only impossible to heal a person that hasn't yet asked to be healed, but also that if they go forward uninvited with such an action, there will be a heavy karmic burden to bear. These things, regardless of motivation, break spiritual law and bear a karmic price.
And on the positive side of this, if a person is unwell and asks for a healing, or for further infprmation on a different spiritual path than the one they had been on, an interested person can certainly offer aid and information that they might have the capacity to perform. And the very same standard applies to inner spiritual teachings, one who considers themselves, or is considered by others to be a teacher, and who actually has the ability to channel spiritual teachings and experience to a student, cannot ever do so without first asking permission, or being invited to do so, this is a part of the Law of Non-Interference, the same law governs all three of those various but similar circumstances.
Etznab
Jan 4, 2016, 3:28:49 PM1/4/16
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On Monday, June 15, 2015 at 11:30:51 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 2:55:57 AM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > Please elaborate on the following:
> >
> > Kinpa wrote: "... but why are YOU so unable to let another be? ... ."
> >
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/DlzYeLgqcA0
> >
> > Who is this "another"? Is it you? Kinpa? Is it other people who you (and others perhaps) don't want to learn about pseudo-masters?
>
> It is everyone that doesn't agree with you, why? Do you think you have a right to force YOUR opinions down another's throat? That you are an authority on who is or is not a pseudo-master? I do not think you have the experience with either to properly discern one from the other, however, despite my disagreeing, I still do not try to force MY opinions down YOUR throat...the way you worded this you sound as if you expect to be able to force your opinions into another's mind....you both seem to have NO ability to agree to disagree, and often it appears as if YOU have the denial at play within yourself, and that that potentially is the very reason you act this way...or perhaps it is because you have become overly used to having no one disagree with you for many years, or have you failed to notice that I am pretty much the only person that posts here besides you, seanie and werner....there is only one other ECKist that ever posts here....you never allow anyone to have their own opinion, and this is proven by many of your posts...
IMO, That was a very "telling" response from Kinpa. Especially when considering the post it responded to.
> On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 2:55:57 AM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > Please elaborate on the following:
> >
> > Kinpa wrote: "... but why are YOU so unable to let another be? ... ."
> >
> > https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/alt.religion.eckankar/DlzYeLgqcA0
> >
> > Who is this "another"? Is it you? Kinpa? Is it other people who you (and others perhaps) don't want to learn about pseudo-masters?
>
> It is everyone that doesn't agree with you, why? Do you think you have a right to force YOUR opinions down another's throat? That you are an authority on who is or is not a pseudo-master? I do not think you have the experience with either to properly discern one from the other, however, despite my disagreeing, I still do not try to force MY opinions down YOUR throat...the way you worded this you sound as if you expect to be able to force your opinions into another's mind....you both seem to have NO ability to agree to disagree, and often it appears as if YOU have the denial at play within yourself, and that that potentially is the very reason you act this way...or perhaps it is because you have become overly used to having no one disagree with you for many years, or have you failed to notice that I am pretty much the only person that posts here besides you, seanie and werner....there is only one other ECKist that ever posts here....you never allow anyone to have their own opinion, and this is proven by many of your posts...
Etznab
Jan 4, 2016, 3:31:56 PM1/4/16
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On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 11:21:59 AM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 12:29:31 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 12:29:31 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > I see. It's a defensive posture where reality feels threatened by the truth.
> >--------------------------------------------------------------------
> No Richard, but it DOES seem that YOU are feeling defensive about it, is that merely because I just don't agree with you? That is entirely my own choice, you might consider learning to let things go, you have absolutely NO say over what another perceives, or his opinion of it. Get used to that, it won't ever change. And once again do not falsely accuse me of defensiveness, there was never a defense needed on my part, therefore I would never so much as attempt to make one, there is just NO need for it.
>
>
> > If there were nothing to worry about then you and others would not be the least disturbed, concerned and forcing opinions onto me, or others, about our own beliefs, our own lives, our own bodies, own neighborhoods, parties and friends, etc.
> >
> > I refer to the sick and twisted things you said about my consumption habits, my friends and places I go. How I called you on that and other things not being true and that your supposed remote viewing abilities were wrong. Then you, yes you, Kinpa, insisted I was wrong and you were right. So there is an example of someone trying to force their opinions onto another.
> >=--------------------------------------------------------------------
> That simply is not it however. But I allow you the right to perceive it that way if you choose to, however, that only relates to you and your perceptions, it does not make it accurate or true, it is simply your opinion. I didn't in any way try to force any opinion of mine on you, I merely stated that my opinion has every right to exist just as your own does. You do not have to agree, but mine won't be going away either. That's just how life works.
>
>
> > And I think you should remember I gave written examples of your writings so that everybody could see I was not making these things up what I have said about you. Even just yesterday I again showed the very example just referred to.
> >--------------------------------------------------------------------
> How could I not be aware of that Richard? You seem to be going to extremes once again to force YOUR opinion down my throat! However, I have already given you leave to have your opinion, so you need not feel threatened. My opinion is here with us in the room too, get used to that, I am.
>
>
> > I see you want to remove your own faults as if to put them onto others, but given your habit of making things up good luck with that. I can call you and remind you about all of your mean and nasty lies.
> >---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Now see? Here you go yet again trying to do exactly what you accuse me of doing! I have no habit of making things up, in fact, if anything, the things I say are proven true more times than not. You are welcomed to having your own opinion about the matter however, but DO realize, that my opinion will not change to meet yours just because you demand it should.
>
>
>
>
> > Also I am referring (see above paragraphs) to the many other people from a.r.e. in the past who have also felt threatened by the beliefs and opinions of other people, and to the point of denial. I refer to their personal attacks against other people who didn't agree with their faith in Eck Masters who later were discovered to be so many plagiarisms.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Who are you to speak of them? Now you are "talking out of school," a bad habit. Let those individuals speak for themselves, because all that you have to offer is merely your opinion of what happened to them. Do you see the pattern yet? The denial isn't following anyone else around, it is following YOU! Why? Because it belongs to YOU! Good luck in finding a solution for that problem Richard.
>
> As I have repeated almost endlessly here in recent years, there ARE a great many who simply do NOT care about plagiarism! That must be an astounding revelation to you, being that you use it for your support mechanism, but the problem with that is that it just has no use in every circle of people. It appears to me to be a limitation that you are willingly hauling around with you. Being that only YOU made that choice, why do you so often insist that others value it as much as you do? That, if anything, seems like a defense mechanism, and one you seem unable to do without. You might consider freeing yourself from it, as well as the desire and inclination to convert all others to YOUR religion, that of Anti-ECKist. If anyone wants to join, I'm sure they would let you know.
"No Richard, but it DOES seem that YOU are feeling defensive about it, is that merely because I just don't agree with you? That is entirely my own choice, you might consider learning to let things go, you have absolutely NO say over what another perceives, or his opinion of it. Get used to that, it won't ever change. And once again do not falsely accuse me of defensiveness, there was never a defense needed on my part, therefore I would never so much as attempt to make one, there is just NO need for it."
I have a say about your public lies and I think you know that.
> >--------------------------------------------------------------------
> No Richard, but it DOES seem that YOU are feeling defensive about it, is that merely because I just don't agree with you? That is entirely my own choice, you might consider learning to let things go, you have absolutely NO say over what another perceives, or his opinion of it. Get used to that, it won't ever change. And once again do not falsely accuse me of defensiveness, there was never a defense needed on my part, therefore I would never so much as attempt to make one, there is just NO need for it.
>
>
> > If there were nothing to worry about then you and others would not be the least disturbed, concerned and forcing opinions onto me, or others, about our own beliefs, our own lives, our own bodies, own neighborhoods, parties and friends, etc.
> >
> > I refer to the sick and twisted things you said about my consumption habits, my friends and places I go. How I called you on that and other things not being true and that your supposed remote viewing abilities were wrong. Then you, yes you, Kinpa, insisted I was wrong and you were right. So there is an example of someone trying to force their opinions onto another.
> >=--------------------------------------------------------------------
> That simply is not it however. But I allow you the right to perceive it that way if you choose to, however, that only relates to you and your perceptions, it does not make it accurate or true, it is simply your opinion. I didn't in any way try to force any opinion of mine on you, I merely stated that my opinion has every right to exist just as your own does. You do not have to agree, but mine won't be going away either. That's just how life works.
>
>
> > And I think you should remember I gave written examples of your writings so that everybody could see I was not making these things up what I have said about you. Even just yesterday I again showed the very example just referred to.
> >--------------------------------------------------------------------
> How could I not be aware of that Richard? You seem to be going to extremes once again to force YOUR opinion down my throat! However, I have already given you leave to have your opinion, so you need not feel threatened. My opinion is here with us in the room too, get used to that, I am.
>
>
> > I see you want to remove your own faults as if to put them onto others, but given your habit of making things up good luck with that. I can call you and remind you about all of your mean and nasty lies.
> >---------------------------------------------------------------------
> Now see? Here you go yet again trying to do exactly what you accuse me of doing! I have no habit of making things up, in fact, if anything, the things I say are proven true more times than not. You are welcomed to having your own opinion about the matter however, but DO realize, that my opinion will not change to meet yours just because you demand it should.
>
>
>
>
> > Also I am referring (see above paragraphs) to the many other people from a.r.e. in the past who have also felt threatened by the beliefs and opinions of other people, and to the point of denial. I refer to their personal attacks against other people who didn't agree with their faith in Eck Masters who later were discovered to be so many plagiarisms.
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Who are you to speak of them? Now you are "talking out of school," a bad habit. Let those individuals speak for themselves, because all that you have to offer is merely your opinion of what happened to them. Do you see the pattern yet? The denial isn't following anyone else around, it is following YOU! Why? Because it belongs to YOU! Good luck in finding a solution for that problem Richard.
>
> As I have repeated almost endlessly here in recent years, there ARE a great many who simply do NOT care about plagiarism! That must be an astounding revelation to you, being that you use it for your support mechanism, but the problem with that is that it just has no use in every circle of people. It appears to me to be a limitation that you are willingly hauling around with you. Being that only YOU made that choice, why do you so often insist that others value it as much as you do? That, if anything, seems like a defense mechanism, and one you seem unable to do without. You might consider freeing yourself from it, as well as the desire and inclination to convert all others to YOUR religion, that of Anti-ECKist. If anyone wants to join, I'm sure they would let you know.
"No Richard, but it DOES seem that YOU are feeling defensive about it, is that merely because I just don't agree with you? That is entirely my own choice, you might consider learning to let things go, you have absolutely NO say over what another perceives, or his opinion of it. Get used to that, it won't ever change. And once again do not falsely accuse me of defensiveness, there was never a defense needed on my part, therefore I would never so much as attempt to make one, there is just NO need for it."
Etznab
Jan 4, 2016, 3:40:27 PM1/4/16
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You do have a history of making things up. Trying to minimize with the terms "poking" and "prophecies" does not help your position. Not only a habit of making things up, but also a habit of denying it.
Etznab
Jan 4, 2016, 3:46:35 PM1/4/16
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Etznab
Jan 4, 2016, 3:52:48 PM1/4/16
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On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 11:28:27 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 12:28:57 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 9:47:30 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
"It merely proves that Paul Twitchell plagiarized. Rebazar's existence is completely independent of that."
I think your responses are looking very much like P.R. spin.
> On Wednesday, June 17, 2015 at 12:28:57 PM UTC, Etznab wrote:
> > On Tuesday, June 16, 2015 at 9:47:30 PM UTC-5, Kinpa wrote:
> > > > Conversation is a continuing thing.
> > >
> > > Except that here, it has not been, except for basically between three people, with a few differences when I or one of the other VERY few ECKists comes along to throw 2 cents in. When one looks back, one very much sees, in the place where you see people running in denial, you and yours gloating in it, somehow thinking that a better place to be. Well do you feel as if you've proven something to anyone? You're still here, exchanging comments with seanie, except for when I'm away and he gets bored with you agreeing with him all the time, then he tends to treat you like shit the way he treats everyone else.
> > >
> > > If you haven't noticed that, try paying attention. I know you HAVE seen it at points in the past, but, will you ever again? How freely do you REALLY think? That's a rhetorical question btw, the answer matters not to me, but should you ask it, you might pay attention to the way you answer it.
> >
> > These are discussions.
> >
> > Have you proved the existence of Rebazar Tarzs?
>
> I have never so much as attempted to. Why would I? It is not my concern what is proven to you or anyone else, I am only concerned with what is proven to me. As for what both of you have come up with, it is understandable how you make that long leap of logic, however, that does not excuse that it is a mistake. The so called evidence simply does NOT prove that he does not exist. It merely proves that Paul Twitchell plagiarized. Rebazar's existence is completely independent of that. The two of you CHOOSE to ignore THAT fact, and thereby make that long and unsupported by evidence, jump of logic. That is your business. Do not be surprised when other choose not to follow you. Some prefer actual direct evidence. I am one of those. End of story. What you choose to do with your own mind is your own business, however, you incessantly attempt to convert people.
Rebazar's existence is completely independent of what? Paul Twitchell's plagiarism? Is that your position? Is that what you meant by:
> > >
> > > Except that here, it has not been, except for basically between three people, with a few differences when I or one of the other VERY few ECKists comes along to throw 2 cents in. When one looks back, one very much sees, in the place where you see people running in denial, you and yours gloating in it, somehow thinking that a better place to be. Well do you feel as if you've proven something to anyone? You're still here, exchanging comments with seanie, except for when I'm away and he gets bored with you agreeing with him all the time, then he tends to treat you like shit the way he treats everyone else.
> > >
> > > If you haven't noticed that, try paying attention. I know you HAVE seen it at points in the past, but, will you ever again? How freely do you REALLY think? That's a rhetorical question btw, the answer matters not to me, but should you ask it, you might pay attention to the way you answer it.
> >
> > These are discussions.
> >
> > Have you proved the existence of Rebazar Tarzs?
>
> I have never so much as attempted to. Why would I? It is not my concern what is proven to you or anyone else, I am only concerned with what is proven to me. As for what both of you have come up with, it is understandable how you make that long leap of logic, however, that does not excuse that it is a mistake. The so called evidence simply does NOT prove that he does not exist. It merely proves that Paul Twitchell plagiarized. Rebazar's existence is completely independent of that. The two of you CHOOSE to ignore THAT fact, and thereby make that long and unsupported by evidence, jump of logic. That is your business. Do not be surprised when other choose not to follow you. Some prefer actual direct evidence. I am one of those. End of story. What you choose to do with your own mind is your own business, however, you incessantly attempt to convert people.
"It merely proves that Paul Twitchell plagiarized. Rebazar's existence is completely independent of that."
Henosis Sage
Jan 4, 2016, 9:57:13 PM1/4/16
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RE: "I [etznab] don't see even one real person come here to a.r.e.
and support your [kinpoo] allegations.
Not only will they NOT show up here Etznab, they most certainly will NOT
lie for him when interviewed by authorities and they most definitely will
NOT back him up in a court of law either.
When the shit continues to hit the fan they will scatter like cockroaches
exposed to the 'light'.
Kinpoo will be alone.
With his kids being looked after by their mother as usual 24/7. "independently
wealthy" he claimed the other for like the nth time already.
The guys a BUM - a PARASITE upon everyone he comes into contact with -
unemployable - an absolute idiot and the proof of that is plastered all over a.r.e.
This is what Eckankar does to some people - it's little different to the operations
and mind set / psychology of those who became involved in Scientology.
Same bone different horse. Neither is a bonafide religion - both are based on
writings STOLEN from others, twisted out of all reason and common sense.
Dianetics had some value because of where some of the core info came from.
Many of the procedures worked the problem was the 'whole' creation of the
system set up by Hubbard - the inmates very much took over the asylum.
Henosis Sage
Jan 4, 2016, 10:07:12 PM1/4/16
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from the truth and the reality:
Kinpoo drops another load of his shit in June 2015 (from above)
"..... however, despite my disagreeing, I still do not try to force MY opinions down YOUR throat...the way you worded this you sound as if you expect to be able to force your opinions into another's mind....you both seem to have NO ability to agree to disagree, and often it appears as if YOU have the denial at play within yourself, and that that potentially is the very reason you act this way...or perhaps it is because you have become overly used to having no one disagree with you for many years...."
= insanity or long term criminality of intimidation, harassment and cyber-stalking.
Kinpa
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