I was born into Eckankar
sunny
am now certain that Eckankar is a cult, and I wish I could take back
the twenty years of my life that were wasted in it.
I am an ex-cult member, and I had no choice in the matter. If there
is anybody else out there who was born into eck and has now left,
please email me. I'd really like to talk about things, so I can move
on.
Anybody still in ECK, please, no replies, especially not if you know
me. I have no interest and I will not reply to you.
DarwinT...@yahoo.com
As a parent of one of the very first children born into eckankar, I
congratulate you.
My son was born 2-7-70 just prior to the whole family receiving the 3rd
initiation (sic) from Millie Workman (Moore). As an aside, Millie had a
'revelation' during the group initiation that my son would be a
"well-known politician". I later asked Gail about this and she
confirmed it. Well, guess what? Jason is no more a politician than
Barry Bonds which is to say, not at all! Their prediction was no more
accurate than Paul's 100% wrong predictions. Big surprise.
Anyway, welcome to the rest of your life. I'm sure you've read the
David Lane and Ford Johnson material. There are also years of posts
here that effectively show eckankar for what it is, a fringe cult group
that preys on lost or wounded souls.
Harold, Darwin and Paul were no more "masters" than the next swinging
dick.
This is not to say the Spiritual Quest is wrongheaded or unneccessary.
It just takes a very disciplined, mature and discerning mind to find
the Way. If an Org offers you automatic entry into the God Worlds if
you merely join them (send money)....run in the opposite direction like
your hair was on fire.
Keep posting. Get angry. It will help you to move on.
Regards
tianyue
There are others like you. Try visiting the following newsgroup
(Eckankartruth--see the link below), and repost your message there. The
group is moderated, which minimizes the chance of becoming flamed, as
will certainly happen here, eventually. There is at least one other
person who posts there with a story similar to yours. In the links
section of the group, there are listed two other ex-eckankar groups as
well.
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eckankartruth/
I wasn't born into eckankar, but I was 14 when I first read Eckankar,
Key to Secret Worlds, officially becoming a member at age 16. Eckankar
became my family. I became a sixth initiate, etc. I can only imagine
what you've been through in terms of mind-f*** from your parents and
the org. Thankfully you got away and can get on with your life without
the conflicted baggage, although it may take time to work out the
"cowpaths of the mind." <g>
Tianyue
wernertrp
This is an open forum.
We are eckists, noneckists, ex-eckist, never-eckists, hardcore-eckists,
no, low, medium and high initiated, long-time-eckists, short time
eckists,
very-short-time eckists (oh that's me).
Asks your questions, spill out your guts, show us your up's and down's,
bite and hit the eck-org, waste your time in a.r.e.
And last but not least: Now learn German.
werner-VI Lüsternes Lästermaul
surmaddream
I read your post and just wanted to say, remember one thing. As you well
know "ENERGY CAN NOT BE CREATED NOR DESTROYED", so your time in "Dull
Care, Ek" was not wasted. The social love you felt from the people you
meet in Ek is real, its how that social consciousness was used by those
in power that needs balancing. The balancing has began and you now stand
free of its dogma and myth! Do not be sad, BE happy. Your relationship
now with the One Oneness has no obstacles, only becoming.
The old ekankar had magic and you were told to stand on your own. Today's
modern religion has no real magic and standing on your own seems to not be
allowed. That which is the Mahatma consciousness( not Mahanta )belongs to
all and has in fact been broken so all who leave may embrass their
rightful ownership. Stand and claim yours, for as "tianyue" stated "There
are others like you", many others. It is our work as the awakened ones to
keep balance, teach and restore light and sound, while here in this grand
illusion. The true master is always with you and a true master never need
say "I am always with you" for oneness can never have separation. We
inherently know truth, why because IT IS the makeup of our very Being.
Yes, the best way to control is to mix truth with lies and mask power as
love, because most folks are in themselves good and trusting. Thats why I
don't believe they the folks in control, even know what has their tail.
My children are about your age and have as well come to ensights such as
yours and left the religion. They have become beautiful flowers in the
soil of life and share that new openness with all in their lives. That
openness is because they no longer need to make everyone a member of their
former religion.
God is not lonely and freedom is not hard, stay true to yourself and
reshape the lies into a greatness beyond the old. Richness is not found
in temples or symbols, but inside with who you are.
Thanks for the allowing me a chance to reply, : )
only a surmaddream *
Ken
Hey Gary, when you're finished pumping up your ego . . .
> If an Org offers you automatic entry into the God Worlds if
> you merely join them (send money)....run in the opposite
> direction
> like your hair was on fire.
>
> Keep posting. Get angry. It will help you to move on.
Maybe. But of all of the spiritually inclined authors I've
read, most have recomended avoiding dwelling on anger.
--
Ken
DarwinT...@yahoo.com
If it's true, it ain't braggin'.
Old cultists like Ken, Doug and Rich can't stand me because I was in
eekanker when their mommies were still powdering their butts. I knew
Paul T. and he knew me. It drives them crazy that I agree almost 100%
with all the Lane and Johnson info. about Eekankar, Paul, Darwin and
Harold. I was a first hand witness to many of the shenanigans that
surround the founding and perpetuation of ekanker.
>
>
>
> > If an Org offers you automatic entry into the God Worlds if
> > you merely join them (send money)....run in the opposite
> > direction
> > like your hair was on fire.
> >
> > Keep posting. Get angry. It will help you to move on.
>
>
> Maybe. But of all of the spiritually inclined authors I've
> read, most have recomended avoiding dwelling on anger.
You still here Kendoll? Barbi hasn't asked for a divorce yet??
LOL....
>
> --
>
> Ken
tianyue
Anger is one of those emotions that can cause problems if supressed.
Supression of emotion, including anger, can lead to disease. Its better
to let out the anger when its still small and managable, rather than to
let it build and build to explosive degrees. So, it can be very healthy
to let out the anger, before it causes problems.
Tianyue
Ken
> Ken wrote:
>> DarwinT...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> If an Org offers you automatic entry into the God Worlds if
>>> you merely join them (send money)....run in the opposite
>>> direction
>>> like your hair was on fire.
>>>
>>> Keep posting. Get angry. It will help you to move on.
>>
>>
>> Maybe. But of all of the spiritually inclined authors I've
>> read, most have recomended avoiding dwelling on anger.
>>> Ken
>
>
> Anger is one of those emotions that can cause problems if
> supressed.
> Supression of emotion, including anger, can lead to disease.
> Its
> better to let out the anger when its still small and
> managable,
> rather than to let it build and build to explosive degrees.
> So, it
> can be very healthy to let out the anger, before it causes
> problems.
Yeah, let it go. Don't hang on to it.
--
Ken
Ken
>>> unneccessary.
>>> It just takes a very disciplined, mature and discerning
>>> mind
>>> to find
>>> the Way.
>>
>>
>> Hey Gary, when you're finished pumping up your ego . . .
>
> If it's true, it ain't braggin'.
If you're using it to prop up your self-image, it ain't real.
>
> Old cultists like Ken, Doug and Rich can't stand me because I
> was in
> eekanker when their mommies were still powdering their butts.
> I knew
> Paul T. and he knew me. It drives them crazy that I agree
> almost 100%
> with all the Lane and Johnson info. about Eekankar, Paul,
> Darwin and
> Harold. I was a first hand witness to many of the shenanigans
> that
> surround the founding and perpetuation of ekanker.
You really ought to get over yourself already. The fact is,
being there and meeting Paul once or twice does not give your
current viewpoints any more validity than anyone else connected
with Eckankar. In fact, it's been yeeears since you had any
real-world contact with the teaching. It's all memories for
you, and anyone who's past the age of 45 knows how reliable
those are.
--
Ken
tianyue
Sure....let go of it when one feels naturally ready to let go of it.
One cannot force letting go. That would be similar to an oxymoron.
Letting go might be, in some instances, harmonizing with feelings and
emotions, not fighting them. Only by allowing emotional breathing room
can one truly find harmony and then release of emotional energy.
Emotions are wonderful. They are essential. Who would want to live in a
world empty of emotions? (Well, there are apparently a few).
This could be said to be a form of wu wei, or no effort. By allowing
oneself to be angry, the anger is lessoned, and it passes in a natural,
unforced manner. On the other hand, too much talk of unnatural
"detachment" that is not arrived at naturally, but instead is strived
at, is not detachment, but suppression. Suppression gives followers the
impression they have found detachment, but in fact, they may be more
bound and attached than ever. It is a step backward into even more
attachment.
So the first step is to identify the suppressed emotions one has forced
into submission through "detachment", and allow them some room to
naturally exist without guilt or self-recrimination. Its okay to have
emotions, in fact, it is desirable, unless one wants to be a stiff,
mechanized, neurotic, repressed individual who can't get a little mad
once in a while when its appropriate. Such a condition is not
detachment, but self delusion, and sadly, there are more than a few
self-deluded people prancing around who think they are detached, but
are far from such a state.
True release is found naturally, but in a community of people who are
all bent on being "detached" come hell or high water, naturalness and
healthy emotions become distorted, suppressed, and stagnation soon sets
in, which can lead to ill-health. Suppression of emotions is far, far,
more damaging to one's physical and emotional health than natural,
healthy, necessary release of emotions.
As I said, release of anger before it becomes too charged and
destructive is a better way to find "detachment."
Tianyue
wernertrp
Sean
"tianyue" <tia...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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I think that was one of the better explaniations of this idea that i have
heard from detractors many a time on the group here Leaf ... maybe i'm just
seeing it better though, as i used to react to such comments out of an
opinion of an ideology vs what was being said. i guess i used to think what
was meant by these types of comments was "be angry" it's good for you .....
when really maybe what was being said was don't pretend ur not angry but be
aware that you are .. or whatever emotion it may happen to be. .... and
follow that thru to where it is coming from. Then get to a *space* where you
can let it go.
Still that is so much easier to say, than do for us mere humans.
I think i used to bail out [suppress/repress] of that process too soon all
the time, and wasn;t getting to the core issue that was causing all the
drama in myself. Therefore it would naturally come out when i least expected
wanted it to. Damn this awareness stuff is hard work. ;-)
this really does get confusing, this sort of talk that you convey above,
because people have specific pov in their own heads about what is said
"means" to them vs what is being intended. I can now accept what you mean by
.. you cant force detachment [ or it;s best not to ] I don;t think that i
got that in the past .. the ego is a tricky bugger it seems.
It's one thing to say "let go of the anger" it;s another thing to really
know what attachment is behind that anger in the first place, or what is
triggering things at the emotional level.
Conveying these ideas really does seem to be a very difficult thing to do ,
as Paul T often referred to semantics, so much gets lost in the telling of
it. The mind, intellect and ego is such a pain in the ass in this respect
it appears. It really must be an art to be able to convey ones meaning and
content accurately where others will actually "hear" what you say, and what
you meant. Every 'spiritual' master has been miscontrued, and their words
twisted into things that were never ever intended by them. What a dilemma
this is. I sure get frustrated when I am misunderstood, a lifetime
affilciction to me, one day I'll get over it, or let it go. <smile>
have been reading eckhart tolle new book called the New Earth. I found his
power of now very helpful last year, but have still been falling into the
same traps as ever. This book is being helpful, takes things to another
level of understanding for me .. very much the right thing at the right time
for me. reading about ego, thoughts and emotions at present, and seeing many
conections in it in myself and around the world, as per collective ego and
the responses that are occurring everywhere. i can see the connections with
the eck teachings too, as well as other stuff. including the connection of
the Kal to the Ego ... mmmm not sure if i can explain that though at
present, needless to say it;s about thoughts that run thru our mind, and
these lead to emotions and reactions, how we react to others and so on.
i guess i'm simply trying to acknowledge that what is important is to bring
the light of our own awareness to these thoughts, emotions and reactions,
our need to be right and making others wrong, and so forth ....... anyway a
few thoughts and i;d recommend the book to anyone feeling a little stuck,
frustrated, or angry, or unhappy in them selves or life in general. I feel
like the gas has been turned up on the cooking pot of the earth pf late, [
whio hasn't ] and what Tolle is saying in a gentle way is pointing to a
way out of the insanity of it all. If something is useful, it;s worth using
imho.
at the same time I have also found much in Dialogues with the master by Paul
twtichell the last 6 months as well. VERY helpful in fact, a clarity in some
of that I;d never known/seen before. "timeless" value iow. And for some
reason when picking up Illuminated Way Letters and jumping into that at
random, I always seem to get a wisdom note from Paul that fits perfectly for
me in the moment. I think one could argue about the "form" of the teaching
takes, but it still shows me over and over that what Paul brought out &
pointed too was pretty spot on in many many ways, and very effective.
"getting it" or blending it all together appears to be the hard part that
causes difficulty for folks. horses for courses in other words.
eg practicing the presence of the inner master .......... well Tolle speaks
of the same thing but it is couched in different terms, and he calls it The
Presence .... to be aware in the Now. Both end up pointing to the same thing
as a process which as best as i can say is expanding our awareness is a key.
About seeing past form, and Mind, and getting to the core of our own
BEingness ..... Soul and our direct connection with Spirit and God, ECK and
SUGMAD ..... the ONENESS
Tis a strange world we create for ourselves at times, and I sure wish it was
easier than it was to get a handle on all this stuff ... LOL ..... I wish
everyone well.
Cheers sean
Sean
"wernertrp" <schube...@t-online.de> wrote in message
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>I was born in Leipzig.
>
What are they going to feed Armin Meiwes in prison?
I'd like to see a wernerwizwieg VI list of possibilities. <G>
wernertrp
Meat Eater
Man Eater
God Eater
werner-VI wird ab sofort vegetarier
wernertrp
Werner gibt ein großes Fest
und wir feiern durch die Nacht
nach dem großen Festgelage
wird der Nachtisch gleich gebracht.
Mit dem goldnen Löffel speisen
wir nicht Leichen sondern Schädel
die sind offen gut gekühlt das Gehirn
zur Mahlzeit führt.
Denn das Gehirn fühlt keinen Schmerz,
fährt die Seele himmelwärts.
Dreht sich dir der Magen um
schwing' den Löffel, sei nicht dumm.
werner-VI inspiriert von einem indischen Maharadscha Märchenfilm.
Sean
But what happened to Vegetarian Eater. So few Buddhists in Germany I gather.
;-))
"wernertrp" <schube...@t-online.de> wrote in message
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DarwinT...@yahoo.com
Ken wrote:
> DarwinT...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > Ken wrote:
> >>>
> DarwinT...@yahoo.com wrote:
> >>> This is not to say the Spiritual Quest is wrongheaded or
> >>> unneccessary.
> >>> It just takes a very disciplined, mature and discerning
> >>> mind
> >>> to find
> >>> the Way.
> >>
> >>
> >> Hey Gary, when you're finished pumping up your ego . . .
> >
> > If it's true, it ain't braggin'.
>
>
> If you're using it to prop up your self-image, it ain't real.
Darwin Twitchell doesn't need any propping up.
>
> >
> > Old cultists like Ken, Doug and Rich can't stand me because I
> > was in
> > eekanker when their mommies were still powdering their butts.
> > I knew
> > Paul T. and he knew me. It drives them crazy that I agree
> > almost 100%
> > with all the Lane and Johnson info. about Eekankar, Paul,
> > Darwin and
> > Harold. I was a first hand witness to many of the shenanigans
> > that
> > surround the founding and perpetuation of ekanker.
>
>
> You really ought to get over yourself already. The fact is,
> being there and meeting Paul once or twice does not give your
> current viewpoints any more validity than anyone else connected
> with Eckankar. In fact, it's been yeeears since you had any
> real-world contact with the teaching. It's all memories for
> you, and anyone who's past the age of 45 knows how reliable
> those are.
See, this is the sorry ploy of the unqualified, of the diletantte, the
poser. It's called "The Big Lie". Those who use "The Big Lie" to prop
up their distorted agended are to be assidiously avoided as there is no
defence against "The Big Lie". See, I not only knew Paul on a first
name basis, he was at my house several times. This was in 64-65. Gail
used to come by my apt. in Hillcrest when I was older with my Sunasu
order. This was when she was married to Darwin Gross, the Mahanta, the
Living Eck Master of the day. <smirk> He used to come with her. It was
the year I was "granted" the ridiculous 5th initiation, 1971.
I joined eekanker in 1967 in Las Vegas. I was the S.D. Area Rep 1969 -
1973. Think what the cities of L.V. and S.D. have in common with
eekanker. These were eckanker's birth places. I was there. You and the
rest of your crowd weren't. Get over arguing about what happened with
somebody who was there! That is the height of arrogance. What happened,
happened. You can depend on what I tell you as I'm not a pathological
liar and plagiarist like all of the so-called ek masters. You've been
conned and now, because you won't admit to the truth about ekankar, are
a con artist. Eckanker is not what it pretends to be and you, Doug,
Rich, Cher, Sean and the rest of the Usual Suspects know it. That is
shameful. You should be ashamed.
Real-world contact? What a laugh. Ekanker is a fringe cult that lives
at the very edge of reality. It's now led by a failed Luthern
seminarian with a history of mental problems and feels like warmed-over
protestantism. As nefarious as Paul was he is turning in his grave to
see what Harold has done to his little baby ekankar.
Yes, Kendoll. It is all memories now. Duh. What I had for breakast is a
memory, you Knucklehead, you.
What a cultist you turned out to be Ken. Congratulations.
Say hi to Barbie.
> --
> Ken
Ken
> Ken wrote:
>> DarwinT...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>> Ken wrote:
>>>>>
>> DarwinT...@yahoo.com wrote:
>>>>> This is not to say the Spiritual Quest is wrongheaded or
>>>>> unneccessary.
>>>>> It just takes a very disciplined, mature and discerning
>>>>> mind
>>>>> to find
>>>>> the Way.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hey Gary, when you're finished pumping up your ego . . .
>>>
>>> If it's true, it ain't braggin'.
>>
>>
>> If you're using it to prop up your self-image, it ain't
>> real.
>
> Darwin Twitchell doesn't need any propping up.
Inflatable then, eh?
My point stands, Mr. Living In The Past. You're rapidly
approaching old-geezerism. Maybe you can gum Eckankar to
death.
--
Ken
DarwinT...@yahoo.com
Geezer ? Gum to death ? The only thing that would be dying is you as
you try to keep up with me for one hour in the desert.
Go run your cultic con on somebody more stupid than you Ken...if you
can find them. Barbie only fell for your B.S. because she is blond.
LoL...
cher
DarwinT...@yahoo.com wrote:
> And my points stand too, Mr. Big Fat Liar.
>
> Geezer ? Gum to death ? The only thing that would be dying is you as
> you try to keep up with me for one hour in the desert.
LOL..... Man, Pavlov would've put you on salary! LOL.....
> Go run your cultic con on somebody more stupid than you Ken...if you
> can find them. Barbie only fell for your B.S. because she is blond.
> LoL...
And you expect people to believe your stories about 30 or 40 years ago,
when you just proved to the group that you're a 10 year old? <chuckle>
Sure, whatever..... <grin>
cher
group! Sure... <chuckle> If moving on is your goal, why are you here?
Why not just find something productive to do with your time besides
wallowing in what used to be? <shrug> Oh well... enjoy the ride....
cause you're about to step into the world of dwelling in past with
masters of wallowing in self pity! For what it's worth, that the
antithesis of "moving on"! <shrug>
cher
tianyue wrote:
<snip>
>
> Anger is one of those emotions that can cause problems if supressed.
> Supression of emotion, including anger, can lead to disease. Its better
> to let out the anger when its still small and managable, rather than to
> let it build and build to explosive degrees. So, it can be very healthy
> to let out the anger, before it causes problems.
>
> Tianyue
It's not whether you suppress or express the anger that can cause ill
health. What difference does it make whether it's a small anger or
large one, expressed or supressed? If you don't do the hard work to
find out why you react this way what difference does it make? I mean,
once it becomes an emotional reaction it's already after the fact!
There has to be some reason why your thinking leads to this emotion to
begin with. Figure out what that is, if being healthy is the goal! :-D
It's just a thought.... or IMHO... ;-)
Ken
There's truth to what you say here Cher. If I am caught in a
loop of reaction, it is not healthy. It doesn't matter whether
I'm repeatedly expressing or repressing anger, it doesn't lead
to any kind of personal growth. At least not until I break out
of that cycle.
In my experience, these kinds of cycles of reaction have sprung
from trying to control things to my satisfaction. What Idries
Shah called The Commanding Self.
Let it go.
--
Ken
DarwinT...@yahoo.com
JS
santimva...@yahoo.com wrote on 5/12/06 9:15 am:
Actually, what Tianyue said about anger is also true about mind, intellect
and ego. They don't have to be experienced as "such a pain in the ass".
Just substitute the words, experiment, and see if it isn't so:
---------
Letting go might be, in some instances, harmonizing with mind, intellect and
ego, not fighting them. Only by allowing mind, intellect and ego breathing
room can one truly find harmony and then release of such energy. Mind,
intellect and ego are wonderful. They are essential. Who would want to live
in a world empty of mind, intellect and ego? (Well, there are apparently a
few).
By allowing oneself to be mental/intellectual/egoist, the mind, intellect
and ego are lessoned, and they pass in a natural, unforced manner.
---------
(Incidentally, I like that perfect typo, "lessoned"!)
Pretending to let go, or harmonize, or "be detached" just doesn't cut it,
really. Sometimes the first thing to let go of is the desire to let go -- or
especially, the desire to be seen as having let go.
The process of "letting go" of something is really the same process as that
of knowing its source and nature.
>
> have been reading eckhart tolle new book called the New Earth. I found his
> power of now very helpful last year, but have still been falling into the
> same traps as ever. This book is being helpful, takes things to another
> level of understanding for me .. very much the right thing at the right time
> for me. reading about ego, thoughts and emotions at present, and seeing many
> conections in it in myself and around the world, as per collective ego and
> the responses that are occurring everywhere. i can see the connections with
> the eck teachings too, as well as other stuff. including the connection of
> the Kal to the Ego ... mmmm not sure if i can explain that though at
> present, needless to say it;s about thoughts that run thru our mind, and
> these lead to emotions and reactions, how we react to others and so on.
If you find yourself demonizing a thing, that thing might just be your best
teacher right now.
If it were too easy, no one would know it!
>
> Cheers sean
>
>
Cheers to you, too.
--JS
cher
self pity trips, would we? <smiling>
DarwinT...@yahoo.com wrote:
> Demonspawn begone! Lol....
robbie...@gmail.com
Its been a while that I have been suspicious about Eckankar which is a true religion or evilness!
Can you please explain me what happened to you?
Thanks
sign...@gmail.com
This forum is essentially anti-ECKANKAR. The only way to know truth is to experience it for yourself. When I was first introduced to ECKANKAR, aged 16, I chanted HU as recommended. The experiences I had, both in and out of the dream state, have kept me on the path ever since.
I would recommend that you get your own experiences. I certainly disagree that ECKANKAR is a cult. Nobody is forced to do anything against their will or compelled to remain an ECKist if they choose to leave. The "cult" slur is little more than that, a slur. There is even a regular poster on this forum who professes to be an ECKist but whose postings are never positive about ECKANKAR, never.
May the blessings be.
wernertrp
Etznab
Then I must keep notes about your overly critical imagination.
628672
Btw. Remove your "big muddy boots" next time you drop by. "Chicken" is not on the menu.