HOW One Is Picked For Eckankar Initiations
REM460
The following article, written and posted on Usenet by a former
Eckankar Initiator, CONFIRMS what I have SUSPECTED for SEVERAL YEARS
now. It raises SERIOUS QUESTIONS, INCLUDING:
(1) WHY should Eckankar Members have to SUCK-UP to VAINGLORIOUS
Eckankar "leaders" in order to receive the TIMELY Initiations to which
they are ENTITLED (EVERY FIVE YEARS) ?!
(2) DOES HAROLD KNOW about this CULT-ish CORRUPTION and ABUSE of
POWER ?!
(3) What is the PENALTY for DELAYING or HOLDING BACK an Eckankar
Member's Spiritual Progress, Unfoldment, and Liberation ?!
(4) WHY are Eckankar Members ALWAYS being LIED TO by their CULT-
minded "leaders" ?!
From: Tom Leafeater (tomlea...@aol.com)
Subject: how one is picked for initiations
Newsgroups: alt.religion.eckankar
Date: 2001-10-28 17:30:47 PST
"(Some of the contents of this post derive from a previous post of
mine on a.r.e.. My views are based on experiences as a long time member
of eckankar, and also from my experiences as an eck initiator.)
"When I received the sixth initiation, I had essentially already
decided to leave eckankar. I was still hanging on out of some slight
uncertainty, and also had decided to maintain my membership due to the
fact that my partner still remained loyal to eckankar. A year or two
had passed while I was in this state of serious doubt and skepticism,
when the pink slip for the sixth initiation came. I was surprised to
say the least. Yet I wasn't too surprised. This confirmed what I
already suspected: Initiations are not overseen or approved by a
mahanta or some omniscient being, but by a computer, with the
assistance of initiate reports, and recommendations by the local Resa
and other local high initiates. I remained in eckankar for years after
this, until the day my mate felt as I did, and we both resigned.
"Lest there are those in eckankar who don't yet know this, lists
are periodically sent out with names generated by a computer to the
state Resa, who confers with local high initiates/clergy/initiators/
/esa's to either recommend or not, an initiation. (Klemp himself wrote
of the computers producing the initiation lists a while back as I
recall). Around the time I left eckankar, most eckists were
automatically placed on the list every four or five years or so. If for
some reason an eckist was denied, they would usually show up again on
the next year's list. Local h.i's in my area (including myself) would
routinely talk over the names on the list via the telephone, and give
their recommendations to the RESA according to each chela's loyalty and
degree of outer service to the org. Those who were especially
"troublesome" could be denied the initiation. The RESA emphasized
loyalty as the most important trait. [ SUCKING-UP ! ]
"The results from the RESA are sent back to Minneapolis where,
most likely, assistants appointed by Harold approve or deny the
initiation based on the time served as a dues paying member, the RESA
recommendations, and very likely, initiate reports. Some, including
myself, have observed that initiate reports (especially those which are
positive or are written in praise of the org) play a role in the
initiation approval process." [ SUCKING-UP ! ]
"Despite this, few people were denied an initiation if they were
on the list. Eckankar has a very liberal policy toward initiations. I
noticed that those who followed the disciplines well fared no better or
worse than those who didn't. I noticed people who smoked, drank or
never did their exercises stood just as great a chance of receiving the
fifth initiation as anyone. More than anything, the initiations were
awarded based on time as a member. The rate at which initiations were
received could be accelerated or delayed based on the chelas
relationship with local H.I's and, especially, the state RESA, who has
a great deal of influence in such matters from my experience. And one
thing is clear: Those who do not substantially conform to the
expectations of the group are the ones most likely to be denied an
initiation. Despite this, the H.I.'s or RESA's in different areas may
vary in their tolerance levels, which accounts for the stories heard
about individuals who never received initiations in one local suddenly
begin to receive them after moving to another area. Also, I've
witnessed initiations being approved after three or four H.I's gave
their unsolicited recommendations to Spiritual Services on behalf of
certain chelas who were thought of as exceptionally deserving."
[ SUCKING-UP ! ]
"I once had a friend who was extremely devoted to eckankar, who
had lived in a remote area during most of her time as a member, and
didn't realize eckankar's policy that time served as a dues paying
member counted toward initiation. As a result, she didn't receive
initiations for years do to the fact that she kept forgetting to renew
her membership, thinking such things to be of the material worlds! She
had no idea such trivialities mattered to the omniscient mahanta! This
woman had a life membership (at one time you could pay a large one time
fee, $2,000, for a membership for life) but was still required to
notify eckankar of her intent to renew annually, though no additional
fee was required. She didn't think such formalities were all that
important, and as a result, due to a less than exemplary membership
record, received no initiations beyond the second, despite years of
devotion to eckankar. One often may hear eckists parroting that such
outer initiations matter little, yet privately, most eckists seem to
feel very strongly about the initiations they are awarded.
"This isn't spoken of very much out in the open in eckankar, but
people such as the woman in the example can become quite disillusioned
and depressed over not keeping up with their peers, feeling left
behind, unwanted, and forgotten by the Mahanta. They see others who are
seemingly less deserving receiving initiations, whereas they, despite
being very devoted to eckankar and the associated disciplines, seem to
fall hopelessly behind. Due to eckankar's policy that one not ever
request initiations, many suffer in silence, sensing justifiably that
something isn't quite right, yet fear to even ask about the possibility
of an error. In many cases, even when they do ask, they face a stony
silence from the org, or are told they are being "tested" spiritually,
when all that is needed is a quick check of the record. This is one of
the way's such a system can inflict undue pain upon its members, and is
one reason I am taking the time to write about this in detail.
"Think about the numbers involved in the initiation approval
process. If there are, as claimed, 50,000 members in the org, and each
is considered for an initiation every five years or so, then that would
average 10,000 per year, or 833 per month, or about 40 per day
(excluding weekends), or about one initiation to be approved every 10
to 15 minutes in an average eight hour day. Klemp would have to work
full time on initiations every day for the rest of his life to spend 10
to 15 minutes every five years on the "individual" member. He is said
to check the inner akashic and soul records to make such a choice.
Remember that this would have to be done to merely *consider* a person
for initiation, that is, to give each chela the individual attention
and consideration that is due, whether or not the chela is actually
approved for initiation.
"Klemp would have to live out of the body most of his life to
accomplish such a feat. He would have no time for seminars, writing his
constant supply of books, writing his speeches, eating, drinking,
sleeping, going to meetings, running the corporation, etc.
"From this I deduce that Klemp has, for the most part, nothing to
do with the initiations, other than, perhaps, performing a perfunctory
blessing of them in the eckankar offices to fool the membership. He
simply doesn't have the time. Remember, it's a fact that someone would
have to act on the physical plane to approve the initiations and send
out pink slips. No matter how you slice it, this person (or more
likely, persons) is not the living eck master.
"Thus, the initiations are entirely bogus. They represent nothing
more than organizational status. Observe the behavior of the online
clergy. These are not enlightened beings. They are ordinary people
caught up in the throes of everyday life, like most people are in the
rest of the world.
"Food for thought..."
-Leafeater
[The article above was in reply to the question shown below from
ANOTHER Eckankar Member (NOT from me).]:
"I have heard and want to verify if it is true that when someone
gets an initiation, it is from one of the HI's in the local area that
is asked if they would recommend that person or from a local RESA which
would recommend that person based on what HI said, (whether they are
ready or not). I thought Sri Harold did that on the inner. If not, then
there is a conflict here. A person may be ready spiritually but if the
reviewer thinks unhighly of that person they won't get initiated.
Thanks."
This copy was sent or reposted by Robert E. McElwaine
Eckankar Initiate
http://www.angelfire.com/wi/mcelwaine
http://members.aol.com/rem460
Rich
>
> The following article, written and posted on Usenet by a former
> Eckankar Initiator, CONFIRMS what I have SUSPECTED for SEVERAL YEARS
> now. It raises SERIOUS QUESTIONS, INCLUDING:
Get a grip man. Leafeater is intent on completely misrepresenting
everything about Eckankar. If you read thru his posts you will see
nothing positive about Eckankar. Do you believe that Eckankar is
completely a lie and has no valid teachings? Do you believe, as he
does, that the ECK Masters are fakes? Have you had no inner experiences
that show you otherwise? Look to your inner guidance if you wonder
about your initiations.
> (1) WHY should Eckankar Members have to SUCK-UP to VAINGLORIOUS
> Eckankar "leaders" in order to receive the TIMELY Initiations to which
> they are ENTITLED (EVERY FIVE YEARS) ?!
Should? If they do it won't do them any good. Initiations are not
based on false actions. Those that attack and misrepresent Eckankar may
have to wait until they resolve there problems. How long has it been
since you got your last initiation Robert?
> (2) DOES HAROLD KNOW about this CULT-ish CORRUPTION and ABUSE of
> POWER ?!
No, because that is not the case?
> (3) What is the PENALTY for DELAYING or HOLDING BACK an Eckankar
> Member's Spiritual Progress, Unfoldment, and Liberation ?!
I don't think that that is possible.
> (4) WHY are Eckankar Members ALWAYS being LIED TO by their CULT-
> minded "leaders" ?!
Try not being so gullible.
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Michael
Which rail are we falling off today Rob?
I am curious, why do you seek to attribute so much correctness to a usenet
post, and why didn't you bother to follow through the many responses that
already answered many of the questions you propose?
But anyway... I have to confess to the REAL secret of initiations.... We
'think' they are approved through head office, but few realise that the truth
is... the shocking truth... It is the underground people.
Using the worldwide system of Laundromats to sneak in and out of their reality
into ours, they collect information on ECKists and report back to the chief
dwarf.
He carefully goes over every single one, writes a comprehensive report, and
sends these off to the Elvin Lord, who THEN decides who will get a move up.
It is a tricky and carefully orchastrated thing, and anyone who looks like
they are bucking the system gets an automatic black spot on the golden heart
over their report card. Things like irrelevant usenet posting account for a
great deal of 'black spot' activity, btw <G>
Love
Michael
"REM460" <rem...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Sam
The peace
Steals me
The love
The formless
That forms all
Steals me
The piano player
Strokes keys
Makes love
To the muse
That forms all
And steals him
The formless
The grand shaper
Steals us
And draws us
Into our own
Then steals us
Sam
Rich wrote in message <3BFA22...@aloha.net>...
JINGLE JINGLE BONES
did not ioterrupt payment so that's why I am a 100000th initiate.
Michael
This one is a lyric for song, Sam... Wonderful...
May I put it to music??
Love
Michael
"Sam" <I...@2001.n.e.t> wrote in message
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Sam
Michael wrote in message <3XBK7.675$Lf2....@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>...
>
>This one is a lyric for song, Sam... Wonderful...
>
>May I put it to music??
>
>Love
>
>Michael
Feel free to do whatever you wish with it, Michael. You may change the words
if you need to. It's a gift. I wrote it this morning after contemplating
then listening to Ken Davis' CD entitled "Celebration of Life". According to
the info on the CD jacket, Mr. Davis is Australia's leading instrumental
composer.
Sam
P.S. I once put some of Paul Twitchell's poems in his book "Coins of Gold",
to music. One I especially liked was "The Passing." It's great fun to put
poems to music. One of Canada's finest, Loreena McKennitt has mastered that
art. Check this out:
http://www.wbr.com/mckennitt/
Michael
Thank you... Ken Davies... Weeeellll.... Not quite Australia's leading
composer... But he does some good work. I will see what I can put together for
you with the poem!!
Love
Michael
"Sam" <I...@2001.n.e.t> wrote in message
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Michael
But... the new computer... the lack of your Email address on this one...
So maybe if you could post to me once more??
Thanks
Love
Michael
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> Seems like my server didn't pick it up. I even looked for it on a couple
> free servers from Germany and the UK, but still couldn't find it. Could you
> e-mail the file to me, Michael? I'd love to hear it.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Sam
>
>
> Strawberry Fields wrote in message ...
> >Since when was this a binaries ng? <G>
> >
> >Lovely and very soothing, thanks Michael.
> >And thankyou Sam for the Lyrics ..........
> >Sean
> >"Michael" <harm...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> >news:TVOK7.20559$Lf2....@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> >> Well... I took off 20 minutes and whipped this up... Please note the lack
> >of
> >> pop filter is evident <G>
> >>
> >> Love Michael
> >>
> >> (Attached MP3 of 1.3 Meg)
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>
sylvie...@gmail.com
I received the fourth initiation, 17 years ago (2001) and I didn't receive my fith initiation. the person of my area didnt like me, and now he is from the Resa. I understand now why I don't have the initiation anymore. I think seriously the quit Eckankar after 30 years.
wernertrp
dann ist Deine Initiation nicht klein.
Zahlst Du noch mehr ein dann wird sie groß
Hoffentlich passt Du dann noch in Deine Hose.
Das würde aber auch auf Scientology passen.
Paul versuchte sich an Scientology nur anzupassen.
Henosis Sage
PS "My Take on it all" - some stay because they like the power they can wield.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-M0yAR0UPhPNy1YZ2F3VTRNTDA
and
https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B-M0yAR0UPhPbXhCb0FSSDBxTjg
Maybe think of eckankar as an oversized Metaphor with far too many contradictions that simply don;t fly ... don't let the details and the rules screw you over forever.