An Introduction to Eckankar for Newcomers: Part I
mi...@cellbio.wustl
Dear Newcomers:
There is always a lot of quibbling on this newsgroup by members of the
eckankar religion concerning the opposing faction. They question our
motives, despite the fact that we are a diverse group of people who, for
the most part, don't know each other and have little in common other than
a desire to let the truth be known about the fallacy of Eckankar.
Unfortunately for the supporters of Eckankar, the facts about this
religious cult speak for themselves.
The members of eckankar follow a religious leader whom they call the
Mahanta or the Living Eck Master. Eckankar has had 3 Mahantas in its 30
year history. I will let the documented facts about these individuals
speak for themselves. The reader can then make an informed decision as to
the authenticity and legitimacy of Eckankar's claims.
All of the following information about eckankar, and much more, can be
found in fully documented and referenced form at David Lane's Web Site,
URL: http://weber.ucsd.edu/~dlane/; or at David Rife's Unofficial Eckankar
Homepage URL :http://www.crl.com/~ozark/eck/rsch3.htm
Mahanta #1, Paul Twitchell. Most of what we know about Paul Twitchell,
the founder of eckankar, has come from the research of David Lane,
Professor of Philosophy at Mount San Antonio College and an acknowledged
expert on eastern-influenced religious movements and Shabd Yoga, which
figures prominently in Twitchell's religion. The information I provide
here is largely a summary of Professor Lane's research.
Twitchell was a writer with a life-long interest in eastern religions. He
had been a follower of several religious figures, including L. Ron
Hubbard, Kirpal Singh, and Swami Premananda, before he decided to start
his own religion in 1965. The most notable fact about Twitchell is that he
was one of the most notorious plagiarists of the 20th century. He
plagiarized extensively from the writings of Julian Johnson (as well as
several other authors,including L. Ron Hubbard), a follower of Sawan
Singh, the famous Sant Mat Guru. Twitchell often placed the words of
Julian Johnson in the mouths of ficticious beings he called Eck Masters.
Lane's research has proven that these Eck Masters are actually aliases for
Twitchell's real life gurus, such as Swami Premananda and Kirpal Singh.
Not a single piece of historic evidence has ever been produced supporting
Eckankar's claims that Twitchell's Masters are real. Twitchell, on the
other hand, made fantastic claims that these masters would come in their
soul bodies to dictate the books to him from their homes in India or
Tibet. Two of Twitchell's books, The Far Country and Dialogues With the
Master, which were extensively plagiarized from Johnson, have been
withdrawn by Eckankar, Inc. from publication, but no admission of
plagiarism has ever been forthcoming. The extent of Twitchell's
plagiarism seems to have been voluminous and has been documented by
several other scholars in addition to Lane. Most notably, a recent
doctoral thesis demonstrates that the Shariyat-ki-Sugmad, the holy book of
eckankar, which Twitchell claimed to be an ancient text maintained by Eck
Masters in various Golden Wisdom Temples, was plagiarized in part from
Johnson's "The Path of the Masters". Note that Twitchell duplicated
spelling errors and grammatical errors that were only corrected in later
versions of Johnson's books, so that the claim by Twitchell devotees that
both authors obtained their material from the same source, is unfounded.
This claim is also severely called into question by the observation that
Twitchell was always, without exception, the second author to have
"accessed" the proposed source material.
Twitchell went to great pains to cover up his past after forming eckankar,
to the extent of creating a highly fictional autobiography published as
"In My Soul I am Free". Lane has documented that Twitchell lied about his
age to his second wife, Gail, who was nearly forty years younger than he.
Louis Bluth, the President of Eckankar under Twitchell, who was also
Twitchell's friend and personal physician and the most advanced Initiate
in Eckankar under Twitchell, wrote in a letter to Professor Lane that
Twitchell started eckankar in order to make enough money to satisfy Gail's
desire for a better life style. Bluth also stated that Twitchell admitted
to him that he had plagiarized from Julian Johnson's books, which Bluth
had lent him. Lane discovered that Twitchell, unbeknownst to anyone
connected with eckankar, had been previously married. His first wife
commented to Lane that Twitchell was known as a teller of tall tales.
Lane also contacted Twitchell's step brother and brother-in-law, both of
whom confirmed that Twitchell's autobiography was highly fictional, and
they provided information that seriously calls into question Twitchell's
claim that he, together with his sister, visited India where they
supposedly first met an Eck Master. Paul Iverlet, Twitchell's
brother-in-law, called Twitchell's account of his early family life "an
atrocious lie".
Twitchell claimed to be able to access the "soul plane", above space and
time,from which he could accurately predict the future. His legacy
includes a list of predictions published in 1968 concerning events that
would occur before the end of the 20th century. Not one of these
predictions has proven to be accurate. Among these predictions is the
statement that the next major war would be fought between the earth and
one of the other planets in our solar system.
After he started Eckankar, Twitchell vehemently denied any connection to
his past teachers, especially Kirpal Singh, the Shabd Yoga Guru.
Twitchell threatened Kirpal with a lawsuit in 1971 in order to force Singh
to refrain from speaking about their association and the origins of
eckankar. Twitchell died of a heart attack a few months later.
Previously that year, he had told his followers that he would be with them
for at least another 15 years, and that he was training a young boy in
California to be his replacement. Both of these predictions proved to be
wrong.
Part II: Darwin Gross
kmcre8pc
In article <mike-22069...@128.252.206.209>, mi...@cellbio.wustl says:
< Eckankar has had 3 Mahantas in its 30
>year history.>
Incorrect. Two Mahantas. The other one was a Living ECK Master only.
>All of the following information about eckankar, and much more, can be
>found in fully documented and referenced form at David Lane's Web Site,
>URL: http://weber.ucsd.edu/~dlane/; or at David Rife's Unofficial Eckankar
>Homepage URL :http://www.crl.com/~ozark/eck/rsch3.htm
None of which are associated with ECKANKAR. These web sites are by people
who are not members of ECKANKAR, and are not and never will be representative
of ECKANKAR.
For the proper web site go to -
http://www.eckankar.org/
From there, you will find links to official ECKANKAR sites from around the world.
>Mahanta #1, Paul Twitchell. Most of what we know about Paul Twitchell,
>the founder of eckankar, has come from the research of David Lane,
Completely biased information and not written objectively as well as based
on ancient history that has nothing to do with the ECKANKAR of today.
To know about Paul Twitchell, read his own writings, of which there are many.
His books are available in many libraries and bookstores around the world.
>Twitchell claimed to be able to access the "soul plane", above space and
>time,from which he could accurately predict the future. His legacy
>includes a list of predictions published in 1968 concerning events that
>would occur before the end of the 20th century. Not one of these
>predictions has proven to be accurate.
Ah yes. For all the other prophecies from around the world, see the Millenium web
site. Listen to the Mayans and Native Americans, the Jehovah Witnesses and
Christians. The aboriginies, the pygmies, and ....
End of Mike's point of view, not an ECKist, and therefore not equipped to accurately
portray ECKANKAR.
Steven K. Wong
Wrong Mike. David Lane is a professor at the University of California San Diego.
mi...@cellbio.wustl
> In article <mike-22069...@128.252.206.209>, mi...@cellbio.wustl says:
> < Eckankar has had 3 Mahantas in its 30
> >year history.>
>
> Incorrect. Two Mahantas. The other one was a Living ECK Master only.
>
Are you claiming that Darwin Gross was not the Mahanta? If so, that is
wrong.
I have every eck publication from the 1970s, Mystic Worlds, Eck World
News, special notices, Wisdom Notes, etc. Gross is referred to as the
Mahanta.
From the Eck World News, June, 1976:
"In this painting by Diana Stanley, the Ancient Order of Vairagi Masters
gather on October 22, 1971 to welcome the MAHANTA Sri Darwin Gross, the
972nd Living ECK Master in this unbroken line....."
"The spirit body of the MAHANTA, the Living ECK Master, known in the
physical body as Sri Darwin Gross,..."
Picked at random from the pile.
Apparently I know more about your religion than you do, Kim. Or has
someone been feeding you a load of bull? Perhaps someone trying to
rationalize Gross's behavior?
Why dont you tell us all where you came by this misinformation?
SAMOREZ
>End of Mike's point of view, not an ECKist, and therefore not equipped to
>accurately
>portray ECKANKAR.
>
Sorry, Kim but this has to be the most singularly absurd statement made in
a.r.e. in quite a while. And that's saying alot.
It is mind-boggling. Mike presents a very cogent, emotionally un-charged
synopsis of the history of Eckankar, a statement that is probably provable
in a court of law, and the readers of a.r.e. get this fluff as a response.
I will never argue the importance of anyone's inner life...........in or
out of Eckankar.
That's not the point here. The point here is Eck, Inc's continued
deception of its followers and the public regarding its creation and its
founder.
Sorry Kim
Sam
You all owe it to yourselves.
Sam
"The most liberating initiation was my resignation from the cult."
mi...@cellbio.wustl
> Completely biased information and not written objectively
Written by a religious scholar. Who better to give an objective view of a
religion, one of its followers?
as well as based
> on ancient history
30 years ago = ancient history?
>that has nothing to do with the ECKANKAR of today.
The facts surrounding the founding of your religion and its founder,
idolized by your current master, are not relevant? We will get to Klemp
soon enough.
> To know about Paul Twitchell, read his own writings, of which there are many.
Do you mean the things he plagiarized from other authors?
>
> Ah yes. For all the other prophecies from around the world, see the
Millenium web
> site. Listen to the Mayans and Native Americans, the Jehovah Witnesses and
> Christians. The aboriginies, the pygmies, and ....
Are you making fun of the 971st Mahanta?
>
> End of Mike's point of view, not an ECKist, and therefore not equipped
to accurately
> portray ECKANKAR.
And how could a member accurately portray eckankar? That is the first
rule of scholarship-- dissociation from the object of study. Would you
rather rely on an autobiography by Stalin, or a biography on Stalin?
THINK.
Blavatsky Foundation
(Steven K. Wong) writes:
>Wrong Mike. David Lane is a professor at the University of California San Diego.
Steven, I'm sorry, but I think you are the one who is wrong on this fact.
David Lane is a Professor of Philosophy at Mount San Antonio College, Walnut,
California.
I call him from time to time at Mt. Sac.
Daniel Caldwell
Blavatsky Foundation
>Subject: An Introduction to Eckankar for Newcomers: Part I
I think Dr. M has done an excellent job of summarizing David Lane's
research.
Daniel Caldwell
Steven K. Wong
In article <blafoun.28...@azstarnet.com>, bla...@azstarnet.com
(Blavatsky Foundation) wrote:
**It cant be. His e-mail is UCSD.edu which stands for The University of
California at San Diego.
Perhaps he has holds other jobs but UCSD.edu does not stand for Mt. San Antonio.
I'll look it up and get back to you on this.
Glen Stevens
In article <mike-22069...@128.252.206.209>, mi...@cellbio.wustl wrote:
A half-decent post for Mikey, but the editorializing is atrocious. Mikey
has taken a page from DAVE Lane. Half truths and innuendo do not make a
posting factual.
Closer Mikey but not quite.
--
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"Cherish your visions and your dreams as they are the children of your soul and the blueprints of your ultimate achievements."
Michael Turner
In article <4qi6aq$s...@iz.comcat.com> kmcr...@comcat.com (kmcre8pc) writes:
>From: kmcr...@comcat.com (kmcre8pc)
>Subject: Re: An Introduction to Eckankar for Newcomers: Part I
>Date: 23 Jun 1996 01:23:38 GMT
>In article <mike-22069...@128.252.206.209>, mi...@cellbio.wustl says:
>< Eckankar has had 3 Mahantas in its 30
>>year history.>
> Incorrect. Two Mahantas. The other one was a Living ECK Master only.
Just a quick point of clarification. Throughout his tenure as the spiritual
leader of Eckankar (1971-1981), Sri Darwin Gross was consistently introduced
as "Sri Darwin Gross, the Mahanta, the Living Eck Master." Also, if you
recall, from 1981-1983 (Sri Harold Klemp's first two years of tenure as the
spiritual leader of Eckankar) the operating paradigm was that, while Sri
Harold was indeed the current Living Eck Master, Sri Darwin retained the
Mahantaship.
Historical revisionism is not a pretty sight.
Michael
Michael Turner
In article <skwong-2306...@comserv-h-23.usc.edu> skw...@mekab.usc.edu (Steven K. Wong) writes:
>From: skw...@mekab.usc.edu (Steven K. Wong)
>Subject: Re: S.K. Wong's assertion that Dr. Lane is a professor at UCSD
>Date: 23 Jun 1996 18:27:15 GMT
Actually, David *is* a professor at Mt. San Antonio College. From what I
understand, he just has an e-mail account through UCSD.
Michael
Glen Stevens
None of which are associated with ECKANKAR. These web sites are by people
who are not members of ECKANKAR, and are not and never will be representative
of ECKANKAR.
For the proper web site go to -
http://www.eckankar.org/
From there, you will find links to official ECKANKAR sites from
around the world.
......................
An excellent point Kim. Folks, you can listen to the hangers on from both
sides of the fence, and we do go at it sometimes, but in the end, the best
advice any of us can give you is "Make up your own mind.
The ECK web site is one place to go to help do that. Some would say that
Rife's and Lane's are also places to look.
You decide.
Your pal
Glen
kmcre8pc
>>End of Mike's point of view, not an ECKist, and therefore not equipped to
>>accurately
>>portray ECKANKAR.
>>
>
>a.r.e. in quite a while. And that's saying alot.
>
a follower of David Lane?
Would I send them to you or have them write the main office.?
What is illogical about that???
I stated a fact, and it was perceived as an attack on Mike. It was intended as
an attempt to clarify something for a new person, who might believe he is
a member of ECKANKAR, of which he is not. Mike's intent is not to portray ECKANKAR
but to portray HIS and Lane's perception of ECKANKAR. I feel the OBJECTIVE
thing would have been to direct his readers to ECKANKAR!! And let them decide for
themselves.
Kim
An eckist
Mi...@cellbio.wustl wrote:
>After he started Eckankar, Twitchell vehemently denied any connection to
his past teachers, especially Kirpal Singh, the Shabd Yoga Guru.
Twitchell threatened Kirpal with a lawsuit in 1971 in order to force Singh
to refrain from speaking about their association and the origins of
eckankar. Twitchell died of a heart attack a few months later.
Previously that year, he had told his followers that he would be with them
for at least another 15 years, and that he was training a young boy in
California to be his replacement. Both of these predictions proved to be
wrong.
Why are words of people sometimes taken and changed; oh just a little and
surely that doesn't change the meaning? Or does it? Much of the
interpretations of mi...@cellbio.wustl's post I and other Eckists would
consider quite incorrect.
The words of Paul Twitchell from "Eckankar: Illuminated Way Letters,"
page 230, the January 1971 letter:
"The next MAHANTA is about fifteen years away. He is now in training but
where he is nobody knows and won't know for a long time yet. Meanwhile, I
am serving as the MAHANTA the Living ECK Master, until the time comes to
appoint an ECK Master who may serve in the interim until the next MAHANTA
is appointed."
Please note in the above paragraph the phrase -- "until the time comes to
appoint an ECK Master who may serve in the interim until the next
MAHANTA..." and "The next MAHANTA is about fifteen years away." Paul did
not say he would be with his followers another fifteen years.
Many Eckists from those times soon after Paul translated, including myself
had soul experiences with the Mahanta and soul experienes with the Living
Eck Master, and they were not one and the same.
Also, one who is familiar with the history is quite aware of the falling
out between Paul Twitchell and Kirpal Singh.
Much of mike@cellbio's post is repeated from Lane material, with its
attendant judgment and personal interpretation factor. Such as
interpretation of Paul Twitchell's personal reasons that he may have not
wished to reveal factors relating to other teachings and other Masters.
After reading about the falling out with Kirpal Singh, it is not as simple
as they proclaim; and anything said by them would be purely speculative
analysis. In addition, it would seem that Lane has an obsession to try to
prove things in the external world which can only be a matter for inner,
spiritually proven results, and rationalizing that they cannot be proven
in the physical world and therefore must not be true. Such as his
insistence that the ECK Masters do not exist, when their existence is very
well known by many Eckists who have direct experience with these Masters,
as a result of putting in years of training and the spiritual exercises of
ECK.
Much is said concerning supposed plagiarism by Paul Twitchell of works by
Julian Johnson. I do not wish to speculate at this time concerning any of
Paul Twitchell's writings. Perhaps there may be other Eckists who feel
comfortable saying that he must have done so, after all several religious
scholars have "proven" such. I prefer to allow the ECK (holy spirit) to
reveal any relative truth involved with that. Experience of the inner
worlds shows that there is more that goes on than is readily apparent to
our mortal minds. I know that the inner-plane library system, as was
spoken about by Sri Harold Klemp in his book, "The Secret Teachings" is a
source for much in the material worlds. This is well known by those who
have gained the ability of soul travel.
The long and the short of this whole subject and the only thing of any
importance to those who wish to participate in Eckankar is not what words
and writings are employed, but what Inner teachings. attendant
transformations of conscousness and truths are gained.
Paul Twitchell's goal of bringing access to God consciousness and the
spiritual worlds to the western people with their specific differences of
culture from the eastern world people works very well.
kmcre8pc
In article <mike-23069...@128.252.206.209>, mi...@cellbio.wustl says:
Dear Mike,
I wrote my responses to your post and let them go. They are the Truth as
I know it, including who actually held the Rod of ECK power. My Truth is not yours, and
there's no sense (to me) in arguing about it. You appear pretty emotionally wrapped
up in your long post. I had no emotions when responding. I felt a view points needed
to made clear for anyone new to ECKANKAR, that you avoided making. For example,
the official ECKANKAR site. This IS alt.relgion,eckanar, and not alt, David.Lane.
I will not banter with you because I have no need for your anger.
Kim
kmcre8pc
>religion, one of its followers?
When it comes to being objective neither you nor I nor David Lane will be able
to. Of the three, I am the only remaining member. Your post is aimed at newcomers,
so you claim, but you presented nothing that relates to the ECKANKAR teachings
of TODAY. Nor does David Lane. Your mission is the past and so be it.
You could be more direct in your posts by admitting you know little about
present day ECKANKAR, and your position is based on your past experiences,
Lane's research on past history, and possibly the newcomer just might want to
check out ALL the facts. Not just your point of view.
It would also appear that my information on how many LEM's were also the
Mahanta was inaccurate. I e-mailed privately several sources and also took
Michael Turner's post into consideration. The stories
surrounding Darwin are so confusing that it's easy to assume or be lead to believe
he was not the Mahanta, as I had understood it. None of that time period is cut and
dried or easily discussed. I came in just as Darwin was leaving and the ECK
community was reeling in shock. I heard many stories. For my own spiritual
journey to progess, it was best for me to move on. It's important to me to be
fair and I retract my statement to you, Mike, concerning the LEM's.
Kim
SAMOREZ
In article <4ql45g$n...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, anec...@aol.com (An eckist)
writes:
>Paul Twitchell's goal of bringing access to God consciousness and the
>spiritual worlds to the western people with their specific differences of
>culture from the eastern world people works very well.
>
>
You think God has a plan for the eastern world and a different plan for
the western world?
I applaud your nerve for bringing up the "astral library" defense. I
wouldn't have the guts.
IMO, a person will never see in the inner worlds if they can't first see
what's in front of their noses.
Steve Runfeldt
sam...@aol.com (SAMOREZ) wrote:
>You think God has a plan for the eastern world and a different plan for
>the western world?
I think that God has a plan for each of us, and I suspect that we each
will eventually discover that it was our own plan all along.
The way we approach God and the sorts of mental blocks we run into are
very largely culturally determined. Have you ever met an Eckist from
Asia or Africa? They tend to be much more accepting of some things
that we westerners have a harder time swallowing.
Steve
kmcre8pc
In article <4qptmu$p...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, sam...@aol.com (SAMOREZ) says:
>IMO, a person will never see in the inner worlds if they can't first see
>what's in front of their noses.
Yeah Sam. Locating that third eye can be damned near impossible huh?
:)
Kim
An eckist
Sam wrote:
>You think God has a plan for the eastern world and a different plan for
the western world?
God gives to all in whatever way they can receive.
>I applaud your nerve for bringing up the "astral library" defense. I
wouldn't have the guts.
I speak of things I know about. I don't speak of things I don't know
about -- (Your plagiarism issues). I will let the Eckankar Spiritual
Center take that on, if they need to.
>IMO, a person will never see in the inner worlds if they can't first see
what's in front of their noses.
You don't have any knowledge of what I have seen of the inner worlds.
mi...@cellbio.wustl
In article <4qnlel$h...@iz.comcat.com>, kmcr...@comcat.com (kmcre8pc) wrote:
\
> You could be more direct in your posts by admitting you know little about
> present day ECKANKAR, and your position is based on your past experiences,
> Lane's research on past history, and possibly the newcomer just might want to
> check out ALL the facts. Not just your point of view.
I think I made it very clear that my post was based on Lane's research.
>
It's important to me to be
> fair and I retract my statement to you, Mike, concerning the LEM's.
I don't think that's necessary, Kim, since it all seems to be made up as
one goes along in eckankar. For example, I notice another eckist said
that they never believed that Gross was the Mahanta. What difference does
it make? The vast majority of eckists at that time loved Darwin every bit
as much as you love Harold. Some people didn't believe in Darwin and left
eckankar at that time, and some didn't believe in Darwin but apparently
stuck it out. Those revolutionaries were despised and belittled back
then. With 20/20 hindsight they are probably considered great heroes with
terrific spiritual insight. Now, we have some eckists, like Raph, who
don't believe that Harold is a Master, despite the fact that most eckists
accept Harold. How is that any different?
It would be better, Kim, to simply admit that it is all just a matter of
personal opinion, and that no one's opinion has any objective validity
whatsoever. And yet, you and others belittle and attack Raph. Who knows,
Raph may be the hero when eck history is once again rewritten after Harold
is overthrown.
Perhaps you are even belittling the next Mahanta?
SAMOREZ
In article <4qqcnk$5...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, anec...@aol.com (An
eckist) writes:
>>You think God has a plan for the eastern world and a different plan for
>>the western world?
>God gives to all in whatever way they can receive.
>>I applaud your nerve for bringing up the "astral library" defense. I
>>wouldn't have the guts.
>I speak of things I know about. I don't speak of things I don't know
>about -- (Your plagiarism issues). I will let the Eckankar Spiritual
>Center take that on, if they need to.
My guess is that the Eckankar Spiritual Center won't take direct action on
the plagiarism issue until you members make them. Why should they? Because
no one is pressing the issue they'll just keep removing stolen literature
without comment or explanation. I believe it's called a coverup. BTW, it's
not MY plagiarism issue. Plagiarism is a form of theft and should be
EVERYBODY'S issue. Why don't you empower yourself with a little knowledge
of the history of your chosen system? Seems like such an obvious thing to
do. Unless, of course, fear of what you might find holds you back.
>>IMO, a person will never see in the inner worlds if they can't first see
>>what's in front of their noses.
>You don't have any knowledge of what I have seen of the inner worlds.
What's this got to do with the price of beans?
Sam
"When you have no basis for an argument, abuse the
plaintiff".........Cicero
An eckist
sam...@aol.com (SAMOREZ) wrote:
> ----Unless, of course, fear of what you might find holds you back.
Sam,
You quote, I reply, requote, reply, etc., etc., --- here is my response:
I have no fear of what I find, because whatever found in the outer
physical world cannot be a source of hurt to anyone concerning what Paul
Twitchell wrote in any book. His teachings and the religion of Eckankar
are about love, peace, harmony; teaching about physical as well as other
world laws for the purpose of lifting one's consciousness above the worlds
of matter. Inner experiences with Paul Twitchell and other Eck Masters
have proven and validated that and nothing you could say if you argue for
the next century can change that.
If you choose to put all of your eggs into the basket of physical world,
outer world words, written or spoken, that is your perogative, but I
prefer the experiences of the inner world Light and Sound, and one on one
soul experiences as proof of God and my religion.
mi...@cellbio.wustl.edu
> Please note in the above paragraph the phrase -- "until the time comes to
> appoint an ECK Master who may serve in the interim until the next
> MAHANTA..." and "The next MAHANTA is about fifteen years away." Paul did
> not say he would be with his followers another fifteen years.
Wrong, any way it is interpreted. What new Mahanta appeared in 1986?
Klemp called himself the Mahanta in 1981. That's ten years, not 15.
> Also, one who is familiar with the history is quite aware of the falling
> out between Paul Twitchell and Kirpal Singh.
Then why did Twitchell threaten to sue Singh, and why did eckankar cover
it up until Lane's research proved the association?
> Much is said concerning supposed plagiarism by Paul Twitchell of works by
> Julian Johnson. I do not wish to speculate at this time concerning any of
> Paul Twitchell's writings.
You don't want to discuss it, because a rational person cannot deny that
Twitchell was a plagiarist extraordinaire.
mi...@cellbio.wustl
mi...@cellbio.wustl.edu
K. Paul Johnson
Mr. Wong. I don't work at the Virginia State Library. Believe
us when we tell you (and anything Daniel Caldwell and I BOTH
agree on is BOUND to be true): Lane works at MSAC, not UCSD
(where he got two graduate degrees).
mi...@cellbio.wustl.edu
> If I you told that because I was at the 1st Worldwide Eck Seminar and Paul
> Twitchell secretly anointed me the future Mahanta, the Living Eck Master,
> in a meeting in the pool cabana behind the Tropicana Hotel, in order to
> revolutionize the heavy thing Eck, Inc. has become, and that it is me, not
> Harold Klemp, who is the real keeper of the Rod of Power, would you follow
> me? If you have a dream tonight, and I'm in it, what would you say then?
>
Sam, don't you have dark hair and brown eyes with a mole on your arm?
Damn! You ARE the frickin Mahanta! I've been seeing you in my inner
visions for years!
Klemp was appointed by Gross, and we know all about Gross.
mi...@cellbio.wustl
> This would also provide the perfect opportunity for eckists to explain
> their position and prove that David Lane's conclusion are wrong.In
article <4qscir$n...@hermes.achilles.net>, Bruce and Denise Wozny
<w...@achilles.net> wrote:
> mi...@cellbio.wustl wrote:
>
> >We will get to Klemp soon enough.
>
> Precisely what do you mean by this, Mike?
>
It means Harold will be covered in Part III of my "Introduction to
Eckankar for Newcomers" posts. What did you think it meant?
Michael Turner
In article <mike-29069...@mueckler.wustl.edu> mi...@cellbio.wustl.edu writes:
>From: mi...@cellbio.wustl.edu
>Subject: Re: An Introduction to Eckankar for Newcomers: Part I
>Date: Sat, 29 Jun 1996 11:25:08 -0500
>In article <4qsrhm$9...@newsbf02.news.aol.com>, sam...@aol.com (SAMOREZ) wrote:
>> If I you told that because I was at the 1st Worldwide Eck Seminar and Paul
>> Twitchell secretly anointed me the future Mahanta, the Living Eck Master,
>> in a meeting in the pool cabana behind the Tropicana Hotel, in order to
>> revolutionize the heavy thing Eck, Inc. has become, and that it is me, not
>> Harold Klemp, who is the real keeper of the Rod of Power, would you follow
>> me? If you have a dream tonight, and I'm in it, what would you say then?
>>
Excellent point, Sam.
>Sam, don't you have dark hair and brown eyes with a mole on your arm?
> Damn! You ARE the frickin Mahanta! I've been seeing you in my inner
>visions for years!
>Klemp was appointed by Gross, and we know all about Gross
LOL
Michael
PS - actually, according to Sant Kirpal Singh Ji, the mole should be on the
face, not the arm - but that could be a typo too.
the fun never stops,
SAMOREZ
In article <mike-29069...@mueckler.wustl.edu>,
mi...@cellbio.wustl.edu writes:
>
>Sam, don't you have dark hair and brown eyes with a mole on your arm?
>
> Damn! You ARE the frickin Mahanta! I've been seeing you in my inner
>visions for years!
>
>
Ahh, my son, it's good to have your recognition. You are the dearest of
dearest of the dearest.
Say, do you still have that Julian Johnson book? I'd like to borrow it for
a couple of days. Seems I have a little writer's block and the wife's
clamouring for some new shoes.
Thanks, Dear One
As it is in your book, so shall it be in mine,
Samji