Question - negativity
Greycat
A long-time lurker, I'm finally popping my head up to say 'hi' and also
throw open a question, which I hope people have thoughts on.
As a sufferer of depression, has anyone any experience of using their
worship/practice to dispel or even work through the feelings of negativity?
I've seen a number of anti-negativity spells and wards, but also some
theories on working 'with the darkness'. Do people have any experiences
they'd like to share that may help me?
Love and blessings
Greycat -x-
Searles ODubhain
meditation or calmness when attacks of anxiety or depression start to occur.
The mind is the source of both anxiety and depression, so it should also be
the source of the cure (or the correction).
In a sense, where we are in our minds is our dwelling. We have the choice of
where that is located. We also have the ability to limit how long we stay in
each house. My understanding of depression is that it is a chemical state
of the brain that can be altered through external intervention via drugs,
but that it can also be altered internally by the brain's own bio-chemistry.
The key to using this approach in my experience is to consciously resolve to
remember how it feels when one is calm, safe, enlightened or harmonious.
These memories can act on the mind to sooth it when imbalances occur. At the
least, they can provide an alternative to the build-up of anxiety and/or
depression.
Searles
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In my case, it involved facing my deepest fears and overcoming them in order
to pull myself out of it. As much as I hoped for any kind of help from the
outside - family, friends or even deities of sorts - I was left to my own
will and resources to get that job done. This process took roughly 7 years
to be completed.
- and nowadays, I can only say that it was the best thing that ever happened
in my life.
It seems to me as the state of depression is a state of being unfair with
oneself and the world around. Some subtle herbs such as St. John's Wort can
prove helpful as a support of holistic efforts but I wouldn't recommend any
of the modern anti-depressants, since they have a tendency to wipe out only
symptoms and thus cover up the real cause for this mental condition.
Chemical imbalance or not - Anybody afflicted has to overcome it by
themselves in order to truly become oneself, although the real, new 'self'
might be a whole lot different from the one we might have believed to be
'our true self' before. In my opinion - It's this false perception of
ourselves which brings on the condition in the first place.
I'd recommend to Greycat a radical, merciless evaluation of where he/she
stands in this life and I'd support him/her in any way that this life has to
take on other forms in order to (re)gain the desired direction. Working with
darkness (what darkness anyway...), Spells and Wards seem to be sort of
immature new-agey BS to me.
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Gwydion
I was suffering from severe depression and mild schizophrenia (writing
letters behind my own back, among other things... Odd experience) for quite
a while last fall and early winter. It was no fun, so I decided to do
something about it. On Yule, after I had gone through the basic ceremony, I
made offerings to the five elements and meditated upon my negativity while
staring into a candle and holding a largish lump of black tourmaline. I
don't know if I really accomplished anything or if it was just placebo, but
the next morning I felt like a new man. The depression vanished and with it
my fractured mind recovered.
Good luck!
Gwydion
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DaRC
Hiya,
I have found that St. John Wort does help, it takes time to work
and I used it to help me through a year or so of life events. I'm not
a great fan of prescribed medicines having seen people I know messed
up by being prescribed one that does not suit them.
On particularly bad days I have used poetry to explore and expel my
dark feelings. Poetry is how I express my creativity but if you
don't like Poetry try playing music, painting etc...
Just generally now I find my regular druidic work, I'm a member of
OBOD http://www.druidry.org/
plus the use of the
http://www.dreampower.com/PDF/risinglight.pdf
enable me to keep my balance so that I can stop that downward spiral
of negativity.
Cheers, Dave
Stuart Waldron
would first need to understand why it is there in tne first place
from there you could then start to reconcile these feelings
This is a long hard path to perfection and there will be many many time you
will fall, each time you need to pick your self up and try again to
understnd why you fell.
Eventually you will begin to find yourself able to change your views as you
realise more of your self
This is the real magic of actual performance, to see your self more clearly
to positively create who you are
Dont be upset when people are content to put you down again but remain
attached only to the truth you find
The essence is to control your own existence not others or to be controlled
or this will bring you back to negative feelings
Step free of the worlds troubles to find your own peace and joy
Go well on your path
Love and joy
Stuart
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Pangur Ban
Ah. A fellow cat. I have read the other responses (being mostly, but not
entirely, a lurker myself). I would add to the array of information and
support simply that St. John's Wart and prescription drugs are different
primarily in strength and in anxiolytic properties, and that St. John's is
not the way to go if your depression is debilitating or accompanied by
anxiety. Sorry, but I must disagree with the folks who seem to feel St.
John's is superior to prescription drugs. In fact, it is less effective
unless taken in very large amounts, which is a bit of a "crap shoot" given
the lack of consensus on dosage and the lack of uniformity of potency. All
any substance can do is help with the symptoms. You still need to deal with
the cause(s) and function(s) of those symptoms. Sometimes symptomatic
relief is necessary before you can get back the energy to tackle the
underlying problem, and it is incorrect that prescription antidepressants
interfere with doing that. It is your choice, and a reasonable one, to use
medication or not, with the salient feature being just how mired down in
symptoms you seem to be (e.g., sleeplessness, despair, sense of impending
doom, inability to focus, etc.) As to the practice of self-healing through
"spells", you may use hypnosis, meditation, incantation, ritual, or whatever
avenue you prefer, to focus upon loving/nurturing/guarding and protecting
your own being. You are a loved and worthy being, deserving of self-care.
The powers beyond self that cradle your being in love and light have not
deserted you; you have merely lost the thread of how it feels to be a part
of them. You need but relax and rest in the acceptance that you (yes, even
you) are worthy. And you must have patience with the darkness. The
darkness of depression is illusory. In patience, you will wait and watch as
the fog lifts...
--
It is I, Pangur Ban! (prrrr...)
http://www.geocities.com/pangurban.geo
Mike Quint
Two of my children (17 and 32) and I could not function without Paxil.
Agoraphobia, anxiety, claustophobia and several other things run rampant on my
side of the family, going generations back They' re chemical imbalances which
need some medical help.
Counselling, etc. do help, but when the symptoms are reduced, one can better
identify the problems and act on them.
Kathryn
Daibhi
wil...@euro-celts.com says...
In a sense Dan, I would agree with you on the last except that for some,
ever the New-Agers, magick is a case of working as it is devoted to
symbolism and intent. Therefore, if they believe it will work it will.
Simplistic method of working but for some it does. However, while I
recommend a hard look at the self to determine the root cause of the
problem I would encourage and exteriorized look as well to see if there
are negative influences which are guiding and directing the life. If this
is the case the most simple ward is the best. Look the person who is that
negative impulse, even if it is the self, in the eye (thus with the self
with a mirror) and with a kind heart tell this person that they are one
sick puppy! I remember what George Lucas said about folk who wrote him
about his killing off of Chewbacca from the Star War Series in one book.
His basic comment was "Get a life". Whomever is causing the negative
influences to be commanding this person are doing so through the persons
permitting them to control them. Thus it is definitely time to encourage
said person to take the reigns to their life back!
As you indicate sometimes holistics are required, depending upon the
depth of the regression into depression.
Daibhaid
Lee Murray
> There you lot go again...mistaking shite for an idea and manual
> evacuation of the rectum as thinking. You lot in this newsgroup aren't
> alone in this. It pervades all of the uk.local NG's!
>.....portion eliminatii.....
> Have you any ideas about this?
Well, this has long been recognized as the general
human condition. The general makeshift of the market
society is to display quiz shows on tissue
paper, a means of educating the masses, as it were,
via the back door. It is generally agreed that this
method is not working too well, but the market society
being what it is, we all have an interest in keeping on.
Lee
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http://www.altnature.com/ginseng/ DryaD
1X2 Willows
"Daibhi" <dao...@nospambs.net> wrote
> In a sense Dan, I would agree with you on the last except that for some,
> ever the New-Agers, magick is a case of working as it is devoted to
> symbolism and intent.
Quite keen of you, David. You caught me here saying "Spells and Wards seem
to be sort of immature new-agey BS to me" when I really wnted to say "Spells
and Wards seem to be sort of immature new-agey BS to me, when it comes to
treating one's own depression." Big difference in my own universe, so yes -
of course I agree with your objection.
> [....] Look the person who is that
> negative impulse, even if it is the self, in the eye (thus with the self
> with a mirror) and with a kind heart tell this person that they are one
> sick puppy!
I think you've struck the essential cord with this one. The message is:
"Loosen up!" "Have some humour and don't treat everything as seriously as it
would determine success or failure of your whole life." Once a person is
able to do that IMO, the person has succeeded and overcome its own
depression.
> [....] Thus it is definitely time to encourage
> said person to take the reigns to their life back!
Right... That's what it seems to be about.
Blessings
Dan