The Three Drunk Stooges: Wollo, Arfur and McBra
Cormac Mac Carthaigh
druidry and how it was based on theatrical farce and the forgeries of
a Welsh laudinum addict, I think this piece from the Mail Online
illustrates my points about the drunken Arthur and pathetic Rollo very
well. McGrath is certainly in good company with these degenerate bums.
The writer, Jane Fryer :
"Gosh. Silly me, I thought druids were just a bunch of tree-huggers
who wore flowing robes, paid homage to the sun and were full of peace
and love. I couldn’t be more wrong. Because the Council of British
Druid Orders is at war or, more accurately, a few key members are at
war, after a punch-up in a pub and a horribly acrimonious split back
in 2006."
Arthur is described by his former friend as, "a drunken, self-
invented, aggressive fraud who has a nasty tendency to throw up in
sacred circles and is a hazard with his faithful sword — ‘I’ve seen
him wave it about when he’s pissed(drunk) and nearly decapitate
people." I couldn't have described him better myself Steve, except
pehaps to say his personal hygiene is as poor as McGraths. In fact you
have just described a younger McGrath to a tee. But wasn't it the
local supermarked McGrath was waving his sword around in when they
would not sell him alcohol?
Jane Fryer says Arthur lives in a, " very small and tatty caravan."
A very small tatty caravan indeed and McGrath in a very small tatty
house? More similarities. One is delusional about being King Arthur
Pendragon and has a Wollo for a friend and the other is delusional
about being a high flying sales executive and has a Wollo for a
friend. Mmmmm!
Emma Restall Orr describes the terrible twits as, "very much on the
edge of druidism but are rowing in public and giving druids a bad
name."
Professor Ronald Hutton says these guys are, "just as likely to be
down the pub now as in a moonlit wood." Oh how true that is professor.
Last night we had McGrath hunched over his computer in his hovel
claiming Con Connor, who was awaiting the full moon on Tara with his
Grove, had been put off-line by a thunderbolt sent by Wollo of
Gwastonbury.
Terry Dobney, a druid for 50 years, Chief Druid and Keeper of the
Stones at Avebury says, "there are some strong egotistical characters
who need keeping in check". Just like McGrath. And yes Terry, don't
you worry, well will keep him in check. Him Melvyn and any other
upstarts who try to turn Ireland into a fifedom for those English
Twats who are causing all the trouble over there. The Council Of Irish
And English Twat Druids will be well marked in all it says and does.
I love the quote: "King Arthur as he sits nursing a pint of Strongbow
in the pub with his girlfriend Kazz, 49". It is so typical. McGrath
used to be like that (although without the girlfriend, as none could
stand his stench, and that is a fact) back when gullible fools would
pay him 'dues' and 'tax' to be a member of his ODI. Then big bad Con
came along and now everybody knows what a sham he is, so no more free
pints. The wretch chain-smokes at his computer now, venting his venom
on the net and his rage against the truth Con has told and with our
help will continue to tell as long as the wretch dares speak in
public. He trawls the internet to find wretches who are his dark
spirit kin to join weak force with weak in the hope they can challenge
the Light.
"King Arthur, meanwhile, seems more preoccupied with his passport,
which he produces in the pub. ‘Look — look! I’m the only subject of
Her Majesty the Queen who is allowed to wear a crown on his passport
photo!’"
"There does seem to be a certain lack of spiritualism among some
Council members" - Among all of them I should say if they don't have
the wit to quit a group that has wallies like Wollo and Arfur for
leaders!
"The last time I met King Arthur Uther Pendragon — at a summer
solstice ceremony at Stonehenge — he was staggering about blind drunk,
sword in one hand, warm can of Stella in the other, his long white
robes rather worse for wear." Again, this was McGrath, the last time
he made it to Tara in 1993, only without the sword. I could add that
McGrath had spilled much Guinness and puked a great deal on himself
that morning and when this combined with his usual stench of bad
teeth, bad breath, b.o. and general 'toilet' material, he was
something more wretched has a sewer rat.
These people are loud mouthed degenerates and they band together
because nobody else will have anything to do with them. They bully,
threaten and lie but it looks as though the road is finally running
out for these charlatans.
Read the full article here:
stonehengeio
wrote:
Terry Dobney, that violent nut case from Avebury LOL, he beats up his
own people with his fists.
Say no more.mr fecking perfect on the loose.
Actually i have just received complaints from visitors about his
deportment at Avebury.
How odd you should mention him.
although the complainant expressed no love for either they expressed a
preference for Arthur,
who if he did wave his sword incorrectly would have been promptly
nicked as he is under constant watch by the police.
You do like waffling and terry is toast.lol
An Coibhi Drui
wrote:
So I was drunk at Stonehenge ? Certainly not in the last seven years
as I have not touched alcohol in that time, considering alcohol to be
a Mugs Game for the likes of Connors who was drummed out of the Irish
Army as a Buckshee Private on medical discharge for being an
alcoholic. Want me to tell more of what I discovered, Connors ?
stonehengeio
wrote:
No ones interested.
Was the crown taken without permission????????????????????????????
And who does it belong to???????????????????????????
An Coibhi Drui
Ask Private Con Connor about his medical discharge from the Irish Army
for chronic alcoholism when he was stationed in Dundalk Military
Barracks Ireland ( as a Buckshee Private on latrine details), I don't
go in for such muck-raking as Connors and Dwyer do, so I shall
pass...but I have heard it all from a former Captain at Dundalk
Barracks ( retired) now with Glanbia Ltd., Ballyragget, County
Kilkenny, Ireland.
Cheers,
Michael McGrath,
Archdruid of Ireland
( Elected, Traditional, Hereditary )
Connors, a Knacker, will never be any more...
stonehengeio
0 out of 10.
lets see what on scores.
Rasputina
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The corn is great and small
The gentlemen must be mowed
An Coibhi Drui
An Coibhi Drui
Cormac Mac Carthaigh
wrote:
This is not "Flame ! Spam! Troll ! Rant !". It is a legitimate
discussion of a newspaper article about the drunken and violent
behaviour of Rollo Maughfling and John Rothwell (King Arthur
Pentragon). McGrath has mad many replies to it along with Rollos troll
and now he call it "Flame ! Spam! Troll ! Rant !"
An Coibhi Drui
This newspaper article was an attempt by English Heritage ( serving
The British Government) to denigrate Arthur and Rollo, that newspaper
' article' was written by the Wiltshire Constabulary on the direction
of the Home Office and English Heritage and that newspaper paid by the
Government anti-Stonehenge Forces to slag off Arthur & Rollo and thus
belittle the Stonehenge Access Campaign and all the 50,000 supporters,
a petty propaganda exercise that such a black propagandist as you,
Connors, should readily appreciate. It is not surprising at all
Connors to see that you are on the side of English Heritage and the
British Government backing up the Wiltshire Constabulary in their
campaign to smear Arthur & Rollo.
Michael McGrath
An Coibhi Drui
Cormac Mac Carthaigh
An Coibhi Drui
Cormac Mac Carthaigh
Not Spam. Censorship of relevant article
Con
stopped.
stonehengeio
Shame you did not read the comments under the article.
Never mind it was a piece in the mail LOL
You may as well get a vegan to write about meat eaters.
An Coibhi Drui
The Daily Mail, the Newspaper of the Anglican Church of England
middle classes ( The Tory Party at Prayer ! ) .
What else would one expect ?
Cheers,
Michael.
An Coibhi Drui
An Coibhi Drui
I'm just in the door after 12 hours work today since dawn, with a two-
hour break for lunch and personal/pruvate affairs - was on here via my
Palm networked through my own personal workstation/server. ( For those
interested onscenely in my private and personal life) .
Cheers,
Michael.
Cheers,
An Coibhi Drui
( Obscenely interested to the point of total immersion and obsession
like that Ponce Dwyer) .
Con
websites
and servers for his lies about me and for his 3 years of death threats
to me - all this because I would not let him give me title, honour or
office. McGrath is a nasty bully telling lies who is not a druid. He
has done much harm in Ireland to the nurturing of pagan spirituality
and I am his target since Gina made a fool of herself on Tara.
You and others on ard ignored the message and attacked the messenger.
If as you say you dont give a damn then get out of the way and stay
out of the way - realize that McGrath will have no peace where ever he
is fed online - so dont feed the fake druid! I and others will hunt
him to extinction.
Just be clear about this - I was invited to ard by an ard long timer
and by McGrath who said he will tear druidism down - this was aimed at
many but specifically at me. Ask McGrath fake druid to leave - get
ardarians to agree to never exchange with McGrath fake druid and I and
many others are gone from this usenet. Feed him and I and others will
continue to rip his lies apart for ever. Stand with the tank maker,
suzzle and stoned henge idiot and have the light of truth shined upon
you. Make your choice and stop whinging.
By the way that is almost the same message by the same messenger from
years ago, but with a little more qualifying reasoning added.
Well?
An Coibhi Drui
Rasputina
Who has a bigger one Con, the ADF or Druidschool? Apparently the
success of a druid order is determined by how much internet trolling
its isolated and world disconnected members can muster. If that is the
standard the the ADF are kings. If however it is dependant on the
connection with the land and the degree of help it can bring to its
members Druidschools is king (unless you are talking about the only
one and truly masterful ADF......)
noinden
success would be satisfied memebers. Keltria the ADF the OBOd and hells
Sister hood of Avalon beat the Irish schools hands down as their leaders
do not wrestle in the my online ;)
Rasputina
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What's a 'satisfied memebers'? Don't tell me you meant 'satisfied
members', that seems like a rather unfortunate use of the word
'member'. The 'Hells Sisterhood' (?) would surely be better equipped
to satisfy members than Con but then that depends on whether you
believe the Arsedruids stories of homolulu goings-on. Ha ha.
It's a pity for those people (women?) if they feel druidry is some
sort of competition. It would make a lot of sense though and explain
their particularly unbalanced trolling and seeking to seed disunity.
Con runs warrior and druid courses from his new base in Roscommon,
Ireland (not some kip in New York state or Winsconsin) and he has the
respect of the real people of Ireland. This internet crap and judging
'success' on internet activity is the sign of people who spent too
much time in their youth playing Dungeons and Dragons. Get real, get a
life and get out into the real world.
Druidry isn't a competition but Con's winning!
An Coibhi Drui
Yeah, all flogging Wicca and new Age stuff they dress up as '
druidry' , all flogging material based on the lifeblood of Ireland,
Wales, Scotland, England, Brittany etc etc , all bards and no poets,
giving us all a bad name after they've soaked the last quid out of
Johnny's Dole, OBOD Druids, ADF and Keltra Druids, don't make me
laugh ! But all the money is made now as there are very few fools
left, the Recession bites, no more money checks in the post for Isaac
or Mr. Carr-Gomm . I don't blame people like Con for hating them, I
can't stand these Salesman myself, they're not selling anything better
than druidschool and that's not a lot - SHAME on them all.
An Coibhi Drui
Nobody in Ireland knows Con, except his creditors !
An Coibhi Drui
wrote:
And, of course, the local Queers !
noinden
Ahh this must then mean you are a nobody and "queer" as you claim
intimate knowledge of him.
No one in Eire knows you or Mel either :)
Rasputina
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Ah to be fair McGrath is well know in Ireland. There have been many
newspaper articles about him and he has been mentioned in the Irish
Parliament and interviewed on the national broadcaster a number of
times that I am aware of. It is also true to say that all this
attention came to him because of his extreme racist and homophobic
statements as well as because of his support and admiration for Hitler
and association with Terry Dempster, an English nazi living in Cork,
who used to have a group that marced around in genuine nazi uniforms,
complete with swastikas. McGrath also stood in the local elections on
an ultra-right wing agenda, where he got I think 18 votes.
Again I would like to say that the world of power does not care for
celebrity in this world. Many powerful men and women have lived and
died and their names never surfaced on the internet.
I see the ADF charges $25 for membership but you get a little
membership card and for magazines a year for that! How much does it
cost to progress to the 'Guilds'?
An Coibhi Drui
One thing about you, Dwyer, you were always great at minding
everybody's business but your own !
( that's your downfall ).
Cheers,
Michael.
Con
fascist, the failed nazi, the internet bully, the fool who sells
titles to other fools. His racist and homophobic attitudes have been
written into state records.
He is often called - "that silly sick old man"
An Coibhi Drui
Drone on...yawn...
Noinden
We get a little more than you are implying mate. The guilds are either
generally free. At no stage in the ADF are you charged for progress.
Noinden
wrote:
You are mistaken, Isaac does not lead the ADF or any money from them.
Furhter Keltria, ADF and OBOD are all doing very well at the moment.
Shame the same can not be said for HOOD or Druidschool. Quality will
sell :)
Rasputina
I am only quoting from a guy who sent off his $25 to Skip and the ADF.
He got a membership card, a quarterly magazine (another $20) and a fun
workbook. If this is the calibre of member the ADF is claiming
contributes to it's 'success' then ......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C5Pcet-ZryI
And you compared what Con is doing to this internet 'club' ha ha ha
Noinden
Ahh I see you Beleive every thing on Youtube?
First, you do not send it to Skip. HE never sees the money. the admin
staff bank it. They pay for festivals, Oakleaves, and the election
mail out (which is being moved to electronic).
I do not think I used the term "internet club" about Con.
I suggested that the material in the course is not particularly (from
a historic POV) Druidic or Celtic. Astrology? Wow Babylon and Sumer
were Celtic??
What I have an issue with is Con and Mike essentially destroying an
internet discussion board, which was non partisan, so they can debate
if HOOD or DruidSchool is more correct. Go do that somewhere else.
The ADF does not adverstise here, nor does Keltria, or OBOD. You do
not see Skip, Tony, and Phillip wrestling in the mud, to prove who is
the top Druid.
Con
the exposure of the fake druid. McGrath fouls everything he comes in
touch with - he tried to bully me into silence but instead I expose
him. This ard usenet is a sewer - no love flows through it to balance
the stagnant slime that is given as druid discussion - bacon and leek
pies etc. Honesty is not valued and tank makers are seen as spiritual
people. This 'ard' is the last refuge for nasty fascists like McGrath
fake druid and Mel meloch Lloyd.
There is no debate about "if HOOD or DruidSchool is more correct." as
you put it. That is a flame. McGrath praises HOOD because HOOD is
using fake titles issued or approved by McGrath. McGrath exists only
on ard now. Mel Lloyd has ran away now that his cover as a
littlelooneybear is blown. Mel never, not even for a moment, reckoned
his fake id on ard would be exposed showing him to be such a nasty
person that he may just qualify to replace McCraphead. Mel will regret
what he has said on ard for a long time to come.
You do not own ard - you are but one poster. Stop telling me what to
do, have you not noticed that it just shows how impotent the ard
inmates actually are when they claim / declare ownership of ard.
The issue with McGrath and Lloyd is not as you put it - "prove who is
the top Druid." It is, if you allowed the truth into your view - that
myself and others in Ireland and abroad are >> proving that McGrath
and Lloyd are both fascists and not druids in any way.
Stay out of the way or openly declare support for McGrath and Lloyd
the fascists who pretend to be druids.
Noinden
> Noinden you are confused and appear to have lost the plot regarding
> the exposure of the fake druid. McGrath fouls everything he comes in
> touch with - he tried to bully me into silence but instead I expose
> him. This ard usenet is a sewer - no love flows through it to balance
> the stagnant slime that is given as druid discussion - bacon and leek
> pies etc. Honesty is not valued and tank makers are seen as spiritual
> people. This 'ard' is the last refuge for nasty fascists like McGrath
> fake druid and Mel meloch Lloyd.
Oh it’s a sewer? Well you and Mike made it that way. Before you two we
only had the old coot Jim to smell the place up. Yet Mike waltzes in
and wants us to bow down to an “archdruid” and soon after you come in
and post infantile attempts to “shut him down”.
You then attack Searles. He is recognized the world over as being very
well educated in the ways of the Druids. His job is meaningless. I am
sure you think that I am on the same level as work in the
Pharmaceutical industry, pushing the frontiers of human medicine ;)
> There is no debate about "if HOOD or DruidSchool is more correct." as
> you put it. That is a flame. McGrath praises HOOD because HOOD is
> using fake titles issued or approved by McGrath. McGrath exists only
> on ard now. Mel Lloyd has ran away now that his cover as a
> littlelooneybear is blown. Mel never, not even for a moment, reckoned
> his fake id on ard would be exposed showing him to be such a nasty
> person that he may just qualify to replace McCraphead. Mel will regret
> what he has said on ard for a long time to come.
Yet all that comes out of your mouth of late is “Mel is doing this”
and “McGrath is controlled by Mel”. He is your direct competition.
> You do not own ard - you are but one poster. Stop telling me what to
> do, have you not noticed that it just shows how impotent the ard
> inmates actually are when they claim / declare ownership of ard.
Who said I owned this place? You might wish to research who helped to
create it however, you insulted him a paragraph or so above.
> The issue with McGrath and Lloyd is not as you put it - "prove who is
> the top Druid." It is, if you allowed the truth into your view - that
> myself and others in Ireland and abroad are >> proving that McGrath
> and Lloyd are both fascists and not druids in any way.
Keep it in Ireland. You don’t hear about how Dan and I disagree over
what Gods are, or Searles and I over Culdee survivals. We keep it
polite.
> Stay out of the way or openly declare support for McGrath and Lloyd
> the fascists who pretend to be druids.
Sorry I am against you both. I do not do the “Enemy of my Enemy is my
friend” crap, or “You are either with me or against me”. You are both
tossers, and both not Druids, by your very actions. Celts? Yeah.
Druids? Nope.
Rasputina
I don't care what Charles does for a living and I only know him from
his posts here but my impression of him is one of a pompous fool who
seems to exhibit all the criteria of a person suffering narcissistic
personality disorder. He had the nerve to post reams of 'stuff'
supposedly in Irish when it was nothing more than jibberish. I read
compliments about his wisdom from people who had seen the reams of
'jibberish' without understanding it was jibberish. 'Oh Searles, that
looks so smart and you must be as intelligent as you think you are" -
I paraphrase.
ARD was always a sewer. I looked back through the years and there was
never anything better than people allowing each other to preach
pompously so that they themsleves would be allowed preach pompously.
That is a sewer.
Don't get me started on Isaac Bonehead - I mean, what a pillock! I am
glad I got to look into these American Druids because it makes me
appreciate the genuine seekers and pathwalkers we have here in Europe.
I don't include Micky, Wollo, Arfur or Mel in that group but there are
some real people here in Europe unlike these fake plastic cyber druids
of the US.
Anyone who has the slightest ability to judge character or intuition
should be able to confirm my opinion on Bonehead by watching this
video. And by the way, were those guys lying about paying $25 for ADF
membership (annualy) + $20 for a quarterly magazine?
Noinden
So you are Con? Try to post under the same user ID, oh wait you are
trying to tag team. Poorly.
> ARD was always a sewer. I looked back through the years and there was
> never anything better than people allowing each other to preach
> pompously so that they themsleves would be allowed preach pompously.
> That is a sewer.
Prove it.
> Don't get me started on Isaac Bonehead - I mean, what a pillock! I am
> glad I got to look into these American Druids because it makes me
> appreciate the genuine seekers and pathwalkers we have here in Europe.
> I don't include Micky, Wollo, Arfur or Mel in that group but there are
> some real people here in Europe unlike these fake plastic cyber druids
> of the US.
Go on what is wrong with Isaac. GO on. I prefer Brendan Myers myself
as a writer. Isaac is not the leader f the ADF, yet you wankers can’t
seem to grasp it.
> Anyone who has the slightest ability to judge character or intuition
> should be able to confirm my opinion on Bonehead by watching this
> video. And by the way, were those guys lying about paying $25 for ADF
> membership (annualy) + $20 for a quarterly magazine?
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qfgjqhPhBek- Hide quoted text -
Isaac is not the leader of the ADF. The leader is elected, and may
only lead for 3 terms.
Further beyond oak leaves you have access to the members section, the
members lists, and more.
Oh and Druid school costs how much again?
To teach Middle eastern ideas.
An Coibhi Drui
I know Isaac is retired , I read his Official Announcement the day he
retired, but I do have to ask pertinent questions about the ADF, we
all have a right to do so as Druids and as citizens of democracies.
Where did the ADF come from ? A U.S. High School Prank ! What are the
bases of its teaching - Oriental Religions, Druidic in name only. ADF
is a Mixumgatherum, which incidentally suits Americans, but there is
not a shred of authenticity about it. Fair enough, it gives mouth
service to Ireland, the Irish, our Druids, and the Irish language -
but that's as Druidic as it gets, and this is never denied by the ADF
itself. It is better than nothing, but that's about all. If one wants
to learn true Druidism, does one go to the ADF ? No. It's handy if you
live in the States and there is nothing wrong about ADF or its
Objectives, but you have to give it a miss as a Druidic Teaching
Order . I think it's more of a socialm outing and excels at that - if
you live in America.
Your bias against all things Irish rears its ugly head here once
again, Noinden, in your denial of the Role of the O.D.I. in the
revival of Irish Druidry, in your denial of HOOD, in even your denial
of Druidschool, all of whom are Irish and Irish-based in Ireland. True
the fight between us has been ugly and unseemly, but that does not
lessen us as authentic Druids of Ireland ! If anything it
demonstrates our Irishness as we are always fighting amongst ourselves
- The Fighting Irish - but let anybody from outside come and aim a
blow at us, as you do, and he will soon find out for himself what we
are made of !
Ireland is the Home of the Druids, that is beyond dispute. And the
fact of the matter is that if you're not Irish living in Ireland, you
have to come to Ireland to be a Druid ! But if you can't come to
Ireland then ADF and Keltria are there for you as the next best thing.
It's the same with OBOD - you can't become a Druid through an
international correspondence course, that goes without saying. You
would have to go over and live in Philip Carr-Gomm's house to be
trained by him, that is the only way !
An Coibhi Drui
OBOD are doing nothing in Ireland at the moment - and even less in
the UK. All their concentration seems to be on France, Belgium and
Holland though I have no idea what they are doing over there. They did
do well in America, don't know how they're doing now, but still all
they deliver is paper through your letterbox, interesting stuff but
not real Druidry. I always buy Philip's books because I like his
writing style, but there is little substance in them, a lot of
speculation, interesting reads written in superb literary style.
Noinden
wrote:
> On Aug 24, 12:24 pm, Noinden <noin...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I know Isaac is retired , I read his Official Announcement the day he
> retired, but I do have to ask pertinent questions about the ADF, we
> all have a right to do so as Druids and as citizens of democracies.
> Where did the ADF come from ? A U.S. High School Prank !
No try again. The RDNA (Reformed Druids of North America) came from a
group of University Students who did not want to go to compulsory
Church/Synagogue services that their University had. So they invented
the RDNA. Over time they actually became serious. They were academics
afterall. Isaac joined them much MUCH later, after some misadventures
on the LHP. The ADF and it’s first Schism the Henge of Keltria were
never pranks. Though the way Keltria Schismed was funny.
> What are the bases of its teaching - Oriental Religions, Druidic in
name only. ADF
> is a Mixumgatherum, which incidentally suits Americans, but there is
> not a shred of authenticity about it. Fair enough, it gives mouth
> service to Ireland, the Irish, our Druids, and the Irish language -
> but that's as Druidic as it gets, and this is never denied by the ADF
> itself. It is better than nothing, but that's about all. If one wants
> to learn true Druidism, does one go to the ADF ? No. It's handy if you
> live in the States and there is nothing wrong about ADF or its
> Objectives, but you have to give it a miss as a Druidic Teaching
> Order . I think it's more of a socialm outing and excels at that - if
> you live in America.
I think you are mistaken. Oriental religions. How so? The ADF, is a
Pan indo-European group, who’s first set of Groves were Celtic (hence
an Irish name). SO many of the members are not “Druids” however many
are. The majority are following Celtic hearth cultures.
Michael please try to actually know the history of a group.
>
> Your bias against all things Irish rears its ugly head here once
> again, Noinden, in your denial of the Role of the O.D.I. in the
> revival of Irish Druidry, in your denial of HOOD, in even your denial
> of Druidschool, all of whom are Irish and Irish-based in Ireland. True
> the fight between us has been ugly and unseemly, but that does not
> lessen us as authentic Druids of Ireland ! If anything it
> demonstrates our Irishness as we are always fighting amongst ourselves
> - The Fighting Irish - but let anybody from outside come and aim a
> blow at us, as you do, and he will soon find out for himself what we
> are made of !
The ODI by your own admission is dead.
> Ireland is the Home of the Druids, that is beyond dispute. And the
> fact of the matter is that if you're not Irish living in Ireland, you
> have to come to Ireland to be a Druid ! But if you can't come to
> Ireland then ADF and Keltria are there for you as the next best thing.
> It's the same with OBOD - you can't become a Druid through an
> international correspondence course, that goes without saying. You
> would have to go over and live in Philip Carr-Gomm's house to be
> trained by him, that is the only way !- Hide quoted text -
No try again. The Irish are but a small branch of the Celtic Peoples.
Many would say the Cymric Nation has had a bigger role in modern
Druidry. Further the best research into preChristian Celtic Religions…
are being done out side of the 6 nations.
Oh and HOOD not only has Brendan as a associate, they have O'Hogain
who you have bad mouthed as a soruce!
I think honestly despite what Con says. You have NOTHING to do with
HOOD, and they are embarrassed by the pair of you (con and you)
Stacey
An Coibhi Drui says...
I'll have to say I did go to an OBOD-sponsored event for Lughnasadh. Most of the
attendees were either in working groves or in study groups. Those who were
working the program online were very glad to be in the company of people and not
be online. It was for CA but people came from as far away as New York,
Michigan, and Texas.
Noinden
> In article <2757e803-6d0a-4165-b9ce-91031bf1d...@b14g2000yqd.googlegroups.com>,
To be honest a large % of all the main groups (ADF, Keltria and OBOD)
have access to Groves (be they seed groves (OBOD term)/Protogroves
(ADF term) or full blown ones).
There is/was an event in The grove of Danu with Carr-Gomm, Bonewitts,
and I think Greer this year.
Stacey
>> >> > Yeah, all flogging Wicca and new Age stuff they dress up as '
>> >> > druidry' , all flogging material based on the lifeblood of Ireland,
>> >> > Wales, Scotland, England, Brittany etc etc , all bards and no poets,
>> >> > giving us all a bad name after they've soaked the last quid out of
>> >> > Johnny's Dole, OBOD Druids, ADF and Keltra Druids, don't make me
>> >> > left, the Recession bites, no more money checks in the post for Isaa=
>c
>> >> > or Mr. Carr-Gomm . I don't blame people like Con for hating them, I
>er
>> >>> than druidschool and that's not a lot - SHAME on them all.- Hide quot=
>ed text -
>>
>> >> You are mistaken, Isaac does not lead the ADF or any money from them.
>> >> Furhter Keltria, ADF and OBOD are all doing very well at the moment.
>> >> Shame the same can not be said for HOOD or Druidschool. Quality will
>> >> sell :)
>>
>> > OBOD are doing nothing in Ireland at the moment - and even less in
>> >Holland though I have no idea what they are doing over there. They did
>> >do well in America, don't know how they're doing now, but still all
>> >they deliver is paper through your letterbox, interesting stuff but
>> >not real Druidry. I always buy Philip's books because I like his
>> >writing style, but there is little substance in them, a lot of
>> >speculation, interesting reads written in superb literary style.
>>
> of the
>> attendees were either in working groves or in study groups. =A0Those who =
>were
>> working the program online were very glad to be in the company of people =
>and not
>> be online. =A0It was for CA but people came from as far away as New York,
>> Michigan, and Texas.
>
>To be honest a large % of all the main groups (ADF, Keltria and OBOD)
>have access to Groves (be they seed groves (OBOD term)/Protogroves
>(ADF term) or full blown ones).
>
>There is/was an event in The grove of Danu with Carr-Gomm, Bonewitts,
>and I think Greer this year.
That was it. Carr-Gomm had to cancel at the last minute because his father was
gravely ill. John Michael and I got to debate a bit which was nice. And i got
to hang with Isaac. That I enjoyed because the RDNA grove he was in when he
caused so much trouble hived off the one I joined. They were still telling Isaac
stories back in '84 and now I have my own to tell. ;) He justifies Danu being a
land goddess which I disagree with (started from a conversation of the mistaken
notion that Danu and Anu are cognates, which I think has been disproven now in
scholarly circles)
Noinden
The problem with Danu,Anu, Aine (sorry Lynn if you read this) is the
monks fucked up royally when they wrote stuff down.
The Morrigan is even harder to nut out. Have you read the thesis on
her? (If not I can email it).
Basically there are some academics and folk lorists who have to have
"Earth mothers"/Land Goddesses in every IE culture. Despite the fact
that most Celtic Goddess are River Deiteis. Then you have Bridig who
is a crafty one ... oooo sorry about that ;)
Isaac pisses me off 9 times out of 10, however he also gets me
thinking, and that helps more than nodding yes to something you read.
1X2Willows
>
> I think honestly despite what Con says. You have NOTHING to do with
> HOOD, and they are embarrassed by the pair of you (con and you)
Were that the case, it'd be about time for this Lloyd character & Co.
to come out and disassociate from both of them.
- but it isn't.
As soon as you have "groups", someone's always in bed with someone
and doesn't want the world to know.
An Coibhi Drui
Small is Beautiful !
Ireland is the Emerald in the Crown of Druidism -
BTW Noinden, Dearles would not agree with you in your denigration of
Ireland and our Irish Druids .
Stacey
>m.
>> >> >> Furhter Keltria, ADF and OBOD are all doing very well at the moment=
>.
>> >> >> Shame the same can not be said for HOOD or Druidschool. Quality wil=
>l
>> >> >> sell :)
>>
>> >> > OBOD are doing nothing in Ireland at the moment - and even less in
>nd
>> >> >Holland though I have no idea what they are doing over there. They di=
>d
>> >> >do well in America, don't know how they're doing now, but still all
>> >> >they deliver is paper through your letterbox, interesting stuff but
>> >> >not real Druidry. I always buy Philip's books because I like his
>> >> >writing style, but there is little substance in them, a lot of
>> >> >speculation, interesting reads written in superb literary style.
>>
>ost=3D
>> > of the
>> >> attendees were either in working groves or in study groups. =3DA0Those=
> who =3D
>> >were
>> >> working the program online were very glad to be in the company of peop=
>le =3D
>> >and not
>> >> be online. =3DA0It was for CA but people came from as far away as New =
>York,
>> >> Michigan, and Texas.
>>
>> >To be honest a large % of all the main groups (ADF, Keltria and OBOD)
>> >have access to Groves (be they seed groves (OBOD term)/Protogroves
>> >(ADF term) or full blown ones).
>>
>> >There is/was an event in The grove of Danu with Carr-Gomm, Bonewitts,
>> >and I think Greer this year.
>>
>ther was
>> gravely ill. =A0John Michael and I got to debate a bit which was nice. =
>=A0And i got
>> to hang with Isaac. =A0That I enjoyed because the RDNA grove he was in wh=
>en he
>> caused so much trouble hived off the one I joined. They were still tellin=
>g Isaac
>> stories back in '84 and now I have my own to tell. ;) =A0He justifies Dan=
>u being a
>> land goddess which I disagree with (started from a conversation of the mi=
>staken
>> notion that Danu and Anu are cognates, which I think has been disproven n=
>ow in
>> scholarly circles)
>
>The problem with Danu,Anu, Aine (sorry Lynn if you read this) is the
>monks fucked up royally when they wrote stuff down.
>
>The Morrigan is even harder to nut out. Have you read the thesis on
>her? (If not I can email it).
>
>Basically there are some academics and folk lorists who have to have
>"Earth mothers"/Land Goddesses in every IE culture. Despite the fact
>that most Celtic Goddess are River Deiteis. Then you have Bridig who
>is a crafty one ... oooo sorry about that ;)
>
>Isaac pisses me off 9 times out of 10, however he also gets me
>thinking, and that helps more than nodding yes to something you read.
Yes please, I'd like to read that.
I think that's just what Isaac does...but you're right, it doesn't get one to
thinking. He has a wicked sense of humor and is an expert at filk I discovered.
Watching him and John go at it in debate was like watching a tennis match.
Stacey
>>The problem with Danu,Anu, Aine (sorry Lynn if you read this) is the
>>monks fucked up royally when they wrote stuff down.
>>
>>The Morrigan is even harder to nut out. Have you read the thesis on
>>her? (If not I can email it).
>>
>>Basically there are some academics and folk lorists who have to have
>>"Earth mothers"/Land Goddesses in every IE culture. Despite the fact
>>that most Celtic Goddess are River Deiteis. Then you have Bridig who
>>is a crafty one ... oooo sorry about that ;)
>>
>>Isaac pisses me off 9 times out of 10, however he also gets me
>>thinking, and that helps more than nodding yes to something you read.
>
>Yes please, I'd like to read that.
>
>I think that's just what Isaac does...but you're right, it doesn't get one to
>thinking. He has a wicked sense of humor and is an expert at filk I discovered.
>Watching him and John go at it in debate was like watching a tennis match.
Whoops! I meant *does* get one to thinking. (Blasted headache...)
noinden
I understand headaches! My boss is using acrolin and I am low on
caffeine!
noinden
Dearles? try Searles!
I am only denegrating you and Con. Hardly all of the Druids in Eire.
1X2Willows
Apples and oranges called vegetables. What else is new.
> The problem with Danu,Anu, Aine (sorry Lynn if you read this) is the
> monks fucked up royally when they wrote stuff down.
Heh, and the "scholars" are catching up fast.
> The Morrigan is even harder to nut out. Have you read the thesis on
> her? (If not I can email it).
>
> Basically there are some academics and folk lorists who have to have
> "Earth mothers"/Land Goddesses in every IE culture. Despite the fact
> that most Celtic Goddess are River Deiteis. Then you have Bridig who
> is a crafty one ... oooo sorry about that ;)
>
> Isaac pisses me off 9 times out of 10, however he also gets me
> thinking, and that helps more than nodding yes to something you read.
No big return on investment there. Same can be said about McBra.
Noinden
The difference being Isaac has the chops to try and back up (even when
he gets it wrong) his ideas ;) What annoys me is he misses things that
are interesting. However it should be noted his books (as opposed to
talking to him in person) are aimed at selling to the 101 crowd. Real
Magic frightens most of the fluffies, I can scare them even more by
pulling out a copy of one of Franz Bardon's books which my wife needs
for her SOA study, and waving it at them. So I know Isaac read those
as he cites them. He just knows that to actually extrapolate from them
would scare away the fluffies, who might actually learn something from
him, if they put Silver Ravenwolf down.
An Coibhi Drui
Yeah, Isaac's Degree in Magic, oh yeah, I knew you believed in that
fantasy .
Noinden
wrote:
You mean his degree from Berkly? I was actually talking about the fact
that Isaac has been a practising pagan for a lot longer than you old
chap.
He does not make up family connections, or has a mummers play for
tourists to get elected ;)
An Coibhi Drui
I am not a modern Pagan, practising or otherwise, I am Druid.
An Coibhi Drui
So we should worry that a fool like you is denigrating us, Cop On !
Cormac Mac Carthaigh
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I think I should have include Boneheadwitz with the previous bunch. He
is just as much of a plonker as Wollo, just as obnoxious as (unhenged)
Arfur and just as much a charlatan as McBra. But would the yankees not
be better off bunched together? Any ideas for an all American league
of Extraordinary idiots? Maybe we should start with the ladies, bless
em?
Barbara Wright
Ellen Everet Hopman
Francesca Hedrick
Jessica Ellison
Lynda Underwood
Lynn Antley
Nora Ford
Selena Fox
stonehengeio
wrote:
what you gonna do?stick yellow stars on them! or send them to
Coventry.lol
An Coibhi Drui
wrote:
Good Morning from Ireland, Dwyer - Yawn, I'm off to bed shortly. But
before I go, I have been wondering how a marxist like you can so
worship the colonialist mass murdering French Foreign Legion which did
nothing only bring dead and destruction to the ordinary poor
unfortunate people of North Africa ? The Foreign Legion, the Black
and Tans of Algeria !
'night,
Michael.
Cormac Mac Carthaigh
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Well I certainly wouldn't stick anything else in them. Have you seen
the state of em? Do you have to be short fat and ugly to get into ADF
or is it only to become 'clergy'? You should know Arfur since all the
women around your caravan seem to be similar. I wouldn't even do them
with yours. That is of course if I were not a 60year old bisexual
Marxist! Maybe short fat ugly menopausal women with hairy armpits
should turn me on then?
An Coibhi Drui
I can't believe it L Short, fat and ugly - that's yourself, Dwyer !!!
So that's what's up with you, self hate ...
An Coibhi Drui
I know Dr. Dwyer personally for years, and, yes, he is short, fat and
ugly . Sorry about that, Jim !
Cheers,
Michael.
Cormac Mac Carthaigh
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>
> members', that seems like a rather unfortunate use of the word
> 'member'. The 'Hells Sisterhood' (?) would surely be better equipped
> to satisfy members than Con but then that depends on whether you
> believe the Arsedruids stories of homolulu goings-on. Ha ha.
>
> It's a pity for those people (women?) if they feel druidry is some
> sort of competition. It would make a lot of sense though and explain
> their particularly unbalanced trolling and seeking to seed disunity.
>
> Con runs warrior and druid courses from his new base in Roscommon,
> Ireland (not some kip in New York state or Winsconsin) and he has the
> respect of the real people of Ireland. This internet crap and judging
> 'success' on internet activity is the sign of people who spent too
> much time in their youth playing Dungeons and Dragons. Get real, get a
> life and get out into the real world.
>
> Druidry isn't a competition but Con's winning!- Hide quoted text -
>
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Green are the eyes of the rat who tells lies