The Ovates Never Existed - OBOD etc are finished !
DruidEire
The Order of Oblate Fathers -
A Bunch of Catholic Missionary priests :-)
DruidEire
They had Oubages, or something like that, anong the Gauls - of the
Celts, also Gutuatri, now proved never to have come to Britain or
Ireland.
So, there never were any Ovates among the British Druids - a pure
Revivalist Masonic Invention, adopted by the Masonic Founders of OBOD,
but Unknown in Ancient Britain.
There were, they say, "Faith" among the Irish Druids, but this I see
as an actual higher grade of Filidh, not a Druid, if it existed at
all.
Basically, there were ever only the Filidh and Drui in Ireland, and
all the others were sub-divisions of them.
OBOD are spreading HERESY - Burn them at the Stake !!!
By Order
Michael McGrath
Archdruid of Ireland.
Jim
"DruidEire" <Drui...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Once more, what I always harp on.
Everyone talks as if this and that were cast in stone and I retort that I
was not there and do not know.
Modern druidry reminds me of a star trek or flying saucer convention.
root
> "DruidEire" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Reminds me of Red Dwarf - brit Sci-fi comedy series - you ever seen
it?
here's a taster
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLm6oTCFcxQ
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H_Nq20J0kiE
golwg
Matthew
DruidEire
OBOD simply "adopted" the three grades of Bard, Ovate and Druid to
mirror the first, second and third Wiccan degreees.
Anyway it's a family business run by Philip Carr-Gomm and his wife
Stephanie (who is the OBOD Chief Scribe, conveniently).
Now how the Hell do you make a Bard out of somebody if he or she can't
write a line of decent poetry - and can't play any instrument ?
I dummo, do any of you ?
I mean I could turn out a Druid, given the right material to work with
in the first place.
Could I turn out a Filidh, No !
And the man or woman who says they can is a Liar.
Mochael McGrath
Ruiseart agus Ceit
> OBOD simply "adopted" the three grades of Bard, Ovate and Druid to
> mirror the first, second and third Wiccan degreees.
Actually, it was the other way around! Gerald Gardner, who was a friend of
Nuin (Ross Nichols - the then Pendragon of the Most Ancient Order of Druids
and later founder and Chosen Chief of OBOD) styled the Wiccan degree system
after the three levels of Druidry. So-called "Modern Druidry" had been using
this system since 1717. Wicca was founded in the 1940s.
Le beannachdan (With blessings),
Ruiseart.
--
Ruiseart Alcorn - Celtic folk/rock music
http://www.myspace.com/ruiseartalcorn
Gaelic Druid Order
http://www.geocities.com/gdosc/
cons...@gmail.com
Once again McGrath is caught out fabricating his twisted version of
reality as the truth is pointed out to the poor fool. McGrath is not a
druid and the Geis on McGrath and Associates is a Lifetime Geis.
root
> > OBOD simply "adopted" the three grades of Bard, Ovate and Druid to
> > mirror the first, second and third Wiccan degreees.
>
> Actually, it was the other way around! Gerald Gardner, who was a friend of
> Nuin (Ross Nichols - the then Pendragon of the Most Ancient Order of Druids
> and later founder and Chosen Chief of OBOD) styled the Wiccan degree system
> after the three levels of Druidry. So-called "Modern Druidry" had been using
> this system since 1717. Wicca was founded in the 1940s.
I am led to believe that Ross Nichols, in conjunction with Germanic
scholars, formulated/codified/finalized the eight-fold year system
which is now so popular.
golwg
Matthew(who is getting frustrated with the Firefox spell checker,
which has the cheek to tell me my spellings are incorrect, when using
the British English form for words like 'finalised')
root
Which you are unable to stick to yourself, you daft twat.
For fuck's sake, take your geis and shove it where the sun don't
shine.
Oh, I forgot, no room left in there as your head is taking up all the
space.
golwg
Matthew (4/6)
Ruiseart agus Ceit
>"Ruiseart agus Ceit" wrote:
>> "DruidEire" wrote:
>> > OBOD simply "adopted" the three grades of Bard, Ovate and Druid to
>> > mirror the first, second and third Wiccan degreees.
>>
>> Actually, it was the other way around! Gerald Gardner, who was a friend
>> of
>> Nuin (Ross Nichols - the then Pendragon of the Most Ancient Order of
>> Druids
>> and later founder and Chosen Chief of OBOD) styled the Wiccan degree
>> system
>> after the three levels of Druidry. So-called "Modern Druidry" had been
>> using
>> this system since 1717. Wicca was founded in the 1940s.
>
> I am led to believe that Ross Nichols, in conjunction with Germanic
> scholars, formulated/codified/finalized the eight-fold year system
> which is now so popular.
Yes, I believe this to be so. Having said that, it really is just the two
separate "four festival" systems bunged together, to create the modern
"Wheel" which makes it easier to view it all as a whole.
Le beannachdan,
DruidEire
> > OBOD simply "adopted" the three grades of Bard, Ovate and Druid to
> > mirror the first, second and third Wiccan degreees.
>
> Actually, it was the other way around! Gerald Gardner, who was a friend of
> Nuin (Ross Nichols - the then Pendragon of the Most Ancient Order of Druids
> and later founder and Chosen Chief of OBOD) styled the Wiccan degree system
> after the three levels of Druidry. So-called "Modern Druidry" had been using
> this system since 1717. Wicca was founded in the 1940s.
>
> Le beannachdan (With blessings),
>
> Ruiseart.
> --
>
> Gaelic Druid Orderhttp://www.geocities.com/gdosc/
Thank You, Ruiseart, for setting me right as I try somehow to unravel
all the "mystery" that modern Druid Orders seem to have themselves
created, in the interests of the man or woman who wants to become
Druid without all the nonsense and mumbo jumbo that they introduce-
and worse still, the massive overcharging that some of them indulge
in.
And it seems that the poorer the quality of the Course offered, the
greater the charges, as evidenced by "The other fellow" who I have
noticed has just now climbed on my back over this. Give him a tissue
and he will make an issue, where I am concerned.
He will never stop me from working on behalf of the ordinary man, the
little woman, for that is my duty and responsibility on behalf of
All.
That's what I undertook when I was elected back in 1993, and I shall
continue to serve no matter what I have to put up with from this or
that Merchant.
Connors or nobody alive will srop Michael McGrath speaking out and
speaking his mind, straightforward and energetically on behalf of
those who seek. I am in your corner. All who know me will tell you
that !
In Service and Wisdom,
Beir Beannacht,
Michael McGrath
Archdruid of Ireland,
Honoured Associate, CoBDO.
ODI etc etc.
PS: I don't think any Archdruid has ever undergone such a Baprism,
such a Gauntlet of Fire, Ah but I revel in all of it !
Ruiseart agus Ceit
> Thank You, Ruiseart, for setting me right as I try somehow to unravel
> all the "mystery" that modern Druid Orders seem to have themselves
> created, in the interests of the man or woman who wants to become
> Druid without all the nonsense and mumbo jumbo that they introduce-
> and worse still, the massive overcharging that some of them indulge
> in.
'S e do bheatha mo charaid :) I agree that there is a substantial amount of
unneccesary fluff in some of the modern Druid Orders. Having said that, I do
believe that some structure is useful and it is up to the individual to
decide how much is for them :)
Le beannachdan,
Ruiseart.
--
DruidEire
OBOD was founded by Ross Nicholls in 1964 with perhaps as little as a
dozen members to start. Ross himself states that they, OBOD, re-
introduced the Bard, Ovate, Druid grade system then in 1964, as they
split from the small Universal Bomd, which had, perhaps, nine members
left after that split. It seems that the OBOD grading system is, to
all practical purposes only operated since OBOD founded in 1964.
Philop Carr-Gomm, I believe, was 16 at the time, and had been training
in Druidry since he was 12. The three grade system, from what Ross
writes, and Philip writes and says, was not observed by The Universal
Bomd, or anybody, prior to that date. I don't think that the Eightfold
Year or the three-grade system was introduced at the 1717 meeting at
the Appletree Tavern in Covent Garden, convened, they say, by John
Toland.
The Three grade system was never operative in Ireland, certainly not
in recent centuries, and it does not seem to have operated in Ancient
Ireland either. Nor is there any evidence of it operating in Scotland
(Ruiseart could check), Wales, Isle of Man (where ODI has a presence
today) , Cornwall; it may be operated by one or two Orders in Brittany
- I must check The Book "Les Druides" by my friend Breton Druid
Michael Raoult, sent and dedicated to me by Michel. (Thus Dwyer denies
that Michel Raoult is an Archdruid, alleging that he is a
Freemason !). But then I'm supposed to be an Oh Piss Dei - and if you
believe that, you'll believe anything.
BTW The London Grand Lodge of Freemasonry was also launched in the
year 1717, and it has therefore exercised the speculation wonderfully
as to whether Druidry was relaunched at the same meeting that launched
the London Masonic Lodge in 1717, or whether there were two different
meetings but both Druidry and Masonry lainched in London by much the
same people in 1717.
So, no, I would not give much creedence at all to any Druidry launched
in 1717 in London as being anything more than the appointed Druid
Branch of Masonry.
And there is no account of any Druid Grades, Rituals, Eightfold Years,
or anything at all from that year. In fact there is no account at all
surviving of the Appletree Tavern Druid Revival Meeting, though there
is of the London Grand Lodge founding in 1717. One was supposed to
have occurred at the Spring Equinox of that year, the other at the
Autumn (Fall) Equinox of that year.
No, I would not depend on the year 1717 in London for my Druidry at
all :-)
(Though I would love to have been present for a quart of Best London
Bitter).
Mick Smiles.
Ruiseart agus Ceit
> OBOD was founded by Ross Nicholls in 1964 with perhaps as little as a
> dozen members to start. Ross himself states that they, OBOD, re-
> introduced the Bard, Ovate, Druid grade system then in 1964, as they
> split from the small Universal Bomd, which had, perhaps, nine members
> left after that split. It seems that the OBOD grading system is, to
> all practical purposes only operated since OBOD founded in 1964.
> Philop Carr-Gomm, I believe, was 16 at the time, and had been training
> in Druidry since he was 12. The three grade system, from what Ross
> writes, and Philip writes and says, was not observed by The Universal
> Bomd, or anybody, prior to that date.
Ross Nichols may have introduced the idea of the three grades being "Bard",
"Ovate" and "Druid", but certainly not the idea of a three level system. I
give you below, a quote from the British Circle of the Universal Bond - An
Druidh Uileach Braithrearchas:
"The Inner Order is divided into Three Orders each having its own sphere of
activity and its own series of Grades".
Le beannachdan,
Ruiseart.
--
Cormac Mac Carthaigh
He's a delusional idiot quoting some rubbish from a book or one of his
Nazi website pals. Don't waste your breath. He's an alcoholic flasher
with severe psychiatric problems. Don't lower yourself.
Kevin
<ravenswingmu...@optusnet.com.au> wrote:
> "DruidEire" wrote:
> > OBOD simply "adopted" the three grades of Bard, Ovate and Druid to
> > mirror the first, second and third Wiccan degreees.
>
> Actually, it was the other way around! Gerald Gardner, who was a friend of
> Nuin (Ross Nichols - the then Pendragon of the Most Ancient Order of Druids
> and later founder and Chosen Chief of OBOD) styled the Wiccan degree system
> after the three levels of Druidry. So-called "Modern Druidry" had been using
> this system since 1717. Wicca was founded in the 1940s.
>
> Le beannachdan (With blessings),
>
> Ruiseart.
> --
>
> Gaelic Druid Orderhttp://www.geocities.com/gdosc/
Hmm! Well, I'm aware of Nichols history, though I'd love to know what
the AOD taught him, and how it differs from OBOD - though I might have
to find out more about what OBOD teaches to make a comparison
OTOH, you can establish a direct connection between Ross Nichols and
Gerald Gardner. Having spoken to folks who were there in the early
days of OBOD, it seems that Gardner influenced Nichols quite a bit,
though it may also have gone the other way. That said, the three
grades seem to have been introduced because Nichols was following
Caesar.
I must admit that this all involve groups that I wot not of. The only
folks from OBOD I've met were those who got ticked off and left. I
can't say that I've ever known any from the Ancient Order of Druids or
from the Order of the Universal Bond (sounds like an association of
glue manufacturers!), so I've no idea what they believe in or do. I
have also managed to stay clear of all the other groups including the
CBDO, largely because there seems to be some sodding great differences
between what I learnt and what they believe. I'm probably reasonably
content for what I learnt to stay in the family for now.
Kevin
1X2Willows
> That's what I undertook when I was elected back in 1993
Pray tell...
Exactly who was it who elected you and why did they meet
for an election of somebody at all? What was their common
goal and/or interest?
Dan
Jim
"1X2Willows" <spamb...@euro-celts.dot.com> wrote in message
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Yes! Who met. How Many. If a group, what did they call themselves. And so on
and so on.
Jim
1X2Willows
> "1X2Willows" wrote
>> "DruidEire" wrote
>>> That's what I undertook when I was elected back in 1993
>>
>> Pray tell...
>> Exactly who was it who elected you and why did they meet
>> for an election of somebody at all? What was their common
>> goal and/or interest?
>>
>> Dan
>>
>
> Yes! Who met. How Many. If a group, what did they call themselves. And so
> on and so on.
>
> Jim
Do we have another one?
We need three votes to proceed with the motion...
- and yes, I'm not interested in mundane titles like "Professor Kilk"
and "Medical Doctor Emmy" or any of that sort.
I'm interested in the reason how and why any voters (if they
exist at all...) would have been legitimised to cast their vote
on the election of an "Arch Druid", much less one of "Ireland".
Besides... responds from anyone encouraged, but the ConMan!
explicitly!
;-Dan
Jim
I think its about time that we are given some information we can get our
teeth into.
No generalities. Where's the beef?
Jim
1X2Willows
Jim
A non satisfying answer shall also be an answer unto itself, iffin ya get
my drift.
Its time we squeezed ol Mc Grath into fessing up.
1X2Willows
Just ask him if he believes in "God".
Ya know... the One and Only aka "An Dea Dhia" in Irish?
That'll do.
;-Dan
DruidEire
> "1X2Willows" <spambuc...@euro-celts.dot.com> wrote in message
>
> news:fc9746$pu0$1...@news.albasani.net...
>
> > "DruidEire" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:1189601564.1...@57g2000hsv.googlegroups.com...
> >> That's what I undertook when I was elected back in 1993
>
> > Pray tell...
> > Exactly who was it who elected you and why did they meet
> > for an election of somebody at all? What was their common
> > goal and/or interest?
>
> > Dan
>
> Yes! Who met. How Many. If a group, what did they call themselves. And so on
> and so on.
>
> Jim
You are deliberately goading me and getting me to report the facts of
my election to you for the unpteenth time, no , Swissroll, I do not
have to please you, you have no right to demand, so forget it you Cute
Whore !
Go and ask Jim, seeing as he taught you almost everything else !
Mick Smiles.
DruidEire
wrote:
You have no right of reply from the Archdruid of Ireland, you have No
Right of Demand ! Swissroll.
1X2Willows
There's yer answer Jim!
:-DDDan
1X2Willows
ummm... this is Jim you responded to.
Jim
The lad is as full of shit as a christmass goose
ken...@gmail.com
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
Aye... motion carried!
1X2Willows
I'd suggest "Walking Eagle" if that one wasn't long taken
by someone else we know.
;-Dan
1X2Willows
<ken...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Thanks #3!
That makes it official no matter how much the perpetrator squirms.
;-Dan
prieste...@gmail.com
wrote:
> <kent...@gmail.com> wrote in message
I am a regular peruser of this newsgroup. I normally stay in the
background and very rarely post my opinions or join in conversations.
However, I just could not resist adding my vote to the motion....
AYE!!!
Just by sitting back and reading the various posts that all of you
make and any links I find that relate to the subjects discussed; I
have gleaned a great deal about who actually knows what they are
talking about and who is full of shit.
I agree, it is about time that this "Archdruid" show some concrete
evidence about how he came to receive his title. The way I understand
the research I have done, he appears to have given himself the title
when forming his ODI group. It seems to me, in order to have a true
Archdruid of Ireland, all Druids of Ireland (regardless of how they
came to be) would have to unite, have nominees and an election. Thus
far in my research, I have found no evidence of any such election.
Now if one of you, who's opinion and knowledge I have come to respect,
knows differently and can direct me to the proof I would be happy to
be corrected. Otherwise, I will continue in my belief that this
McGrath fellow is fraud.
SM
(real name- TobyAnn; American- please don't blame me for it, not my
fault I was born here, hehe)
DruidEire
Neither Archdruid Michael McGrath or ODI, or HOOD nor Tara local grove
nor any Irish Grove has any say on who is Archdruid of England or
Wales, nor has England or Wales any say in who is Archdruid of
Ireland, and that is the way they want it and that is the way it is
maintained, according to tradition since time immemorial.
Does America now therefore wish to usurp the right ? Does America now
wish to determine the Archdruid of Ireland ? Does America wants to
dictate who is or who is not the Archdruid of Ireland ? Does Ameriuca
want to usurp ?
Then let the Druid Orders of Amnerica vire publicly to do so.
Straightaway America would be opposed, were she to do so by not only
the Druids of Ireland but the People of Ireland as well. Furthermore
the Druid Orders of America would be opposed by the Irish-American
societies and the Irish-Americans of America ?
AND America would be opposed by The Councul of British Druid Orders,
representing 17 British Druid Orders and 18,000 of their Members, who
are bound to come to the support of Archdruid McGrath as a Member and
Honoured Associate.
Furthermore, Brittany, it looks like, through its Archdruid Michel
Raoult, will come to the aid of Archdruid McGrath. France would be
split wide open, but in the finality will bot interfere with and/or
dictate the Irish Archdruid who has friends among the Chief Druids of
France.
Scotland will not interfere. Cornwall will not interfere. Wales will
most definitely not interfere. America has made no decision one way or
the other. ADE will stay out of it. So will Keltria, the leadership of
which Order has always been friendly to and supportive of Archdruid
McGrath. Most other American Orders have no interest in being involved
one way or the other. Australia has never expressed any opinion but
always respects the status qui on Ireland.
What right have you, therefore, Sir, and the few of the ragttag and
bobtail brigade, to decide and speak on behalf of all of the above
without the slightest recourse to them for their opinion or desire in
the matter ?
The answer is NONE.
Good Day, Sir.
An t-Ard Drui Mairtin O'Druachain
Chisen Chief of the Order of Druids in Ireland, The ODI,
Chief of the Marble City Grove of Druids, Kilkenny.
Lavistown,
Dunbell,
County Kilkenny,
Ireland.
P.S. I am requested by Archdruid McGrath to deputise here for him for
the next fortnight or so while he is on holiday. and do so with
honour. I am Druid of Ireland since 1994. (All ODI Druids are
designated, Druid of Ireland). I am open to talks to encourage Peace
and Harmony among all.
And I do not think that laughter, the 'he he' is the appropriate
spirit in which to go about the affairs of Irish Druidry, and
therefore, of Ireland !
1X2Willows
> Neither Archdruid Michael McGrath or ODI, or HOOD nor Tara local grove
> nor any Irish Grove has any say on who is Archdruid of England or
strawman argument
Let me repeat the question for you:
Q: Who elects a so-called "Archdruid of Ireland" and by what authority.
A: ?
[rest of strawmen snipped, or set ablaze, or whatever]
Dan
DruidEire
wrote:
> "DruidEire" <DruidE...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Quite frankly, it is none of your business
Be careful or I shall adjudicate your case
And move you sideways.
Mairtin
Leas/ srl.
1X2Willows
Mikey Mikey Mikey...
You were funnier before when you pretended to be "an Orish Drooid!"
This is only pathetic anymore.
Sayonara
Cormac Mac Carthaigh
dublicity? Or maybe not!
Typical of McGrath to bring out one of his alter egos to justify the
ODI. Next he will bring out 'Eilis'. Neither 'Martin' nor 'Eilis'
exist.
This is the ODI: McGrath sitting in his nicotine hovel with a bottle
of spirits preferably making up ficticious names and praising himself
in the third person. Childish and pathetic.
The Irish newspapers often do a skit on him and his neo-nazi views.
His praise of Hitler is always good for a laugh.
joc...@hotmail.co.uk
This is a nice little piece for a bit of laughter.
joc...@hotmail.co.uk
There was only ever
A smell
A smell that did not have a shit
To blame on it
Only a little fart
Only the smell of shit
Nothing to it
Just.......
....McGrath
Cormac Mac Carthaigh
DruidEire
> Don't you just feel like doing this to McGraths computer!
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEahNZ0W67k
Yes, the constant hacking by you is a bit annoying, but all failsafe
systems are now up and running, Dwyer.
joc...@hotmail.co.uk
Enfore the Geis on this scumbag