Another profoundly insane Creationist in my inbound mail box
Rev Fredric L. Rice
Take a look at these unfortunate claims. Because science doesn't support
the notion of a "global flood" and because sceince debunks utter all such
notions, libraries are "filled with much misinformation."
How conveinient when trying to continue to believe demonstrably false nonsense.
An April's Fool's Joke? Sadly no. These people actually vote.
And note the nutter throwing a Christanic curse, threatening his betters
with his voodoo magic when he acquires orgasm toward the end.
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From: "WD" <...cuts...@theinter.com>
To: "Fredric L. Rice" <fr...@linkline.com>
Subject: Re: Was there a global flood?
Date: Sun, 1 Apr 2001 14:37:32 -0500
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Dear Mr. Rice,
I see that you are very defensive in your response. Yet you do not put up
a good defense. I have worked in libraries for years. They are filled with
much misinformation. Everything printed is not truth. The first measure &
only reliable measure of what is true is "does it agree with the Bible."
Evolution is as much a religion based belief as Creation. Were you
there, when the heavens & earth were made? Evolution can not be scientific,
science is based what is observable. Our "Science" museums are filled with
"missing links" yes, that is just what they are, missing. All of them have
been refuted by regular
scientists (check back in old issues of Time magazine), yet they are still
displayed in the field museums as if they were fact.
Example in point: Chicago Field Museum still have "Lucy" and the others
cast examples as fact......most scientists today are embarrassed by much of
what is said by evolutionists. concerning missing links, but ..they don't
want to give God the credit for creating
the heavens & the earth...so they put up with myths. Even Darwin on his
death bed refuted evolution...he was the author of evolution, look him up in
your public library.
One day you will have to answer to God for what you have said & done.
I believe you are sincere in your beliefs, but sincerety never made anything
true. One can be truly misled. I pray that God will open your eyes to
what IS true, not what people want to be true. Today, most people do not
want to be responsible to a Holy God. It is much easier to convince
yourself that
evolution was how we got here or aliens from outter space. Then you can
sleep around, lie, cheat, whatever you want, without answering to a higher
authority.
I believed evolution for years, then I started reading about Creation
on my own. I started seeking out to refute Creation. As I studied, I could
see that
Creation makes everything fall into place, makes sense of this life & the
life to come ,gives man worth & purpose, gives man responsibility to his
fellow man, to caring for the earth, to honoring the God who created the
earth. Everything made sooo much sense. That I never got from Evolution.
Evolution couldn't explain
advanced ancient civilizations, sin, God, missing links, mutations , planets
that spin in different directions, a wobbling in the earth's axis, the
woodpecker for just a few examples, that Creation could easily explain them.
Fredric you have more faith than I do, I find it impossible to believe in
the claims of evolution....facts, truth really don't support it. When you
examine the facts which I have for 8 years, only Creation stands up. But
even then, one must come by faith.
There is a way that seems right to a man, yet it's end is death. Our hearts
are deceitfully wicked so says the Bible. I believe it.
With God, you must come by faith. He has left evidence of his creation
everywhere, but by faith we believe, not blindly,but through His word, not
opinions of men.
It is interesting to me the length people go to try to keep God out of
their lives. They would rather believe in any hair-brained idea than trust
the living God.
Man is basically selfish & self-centered without God. Evolution offers no
hope, no real future; it offers lies, fear, emptyness, self-centeredness,
survival of the fittest.
May you ask God if Creation is right ; He can show you the truth.
Sincerely, a former, nolonger evolutionist.
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* semyaza *
L. Rice) wrote:
>"missing links" yes, that is just what they are, missing. All of them have
>been refuted by regular
>scientists (check back in old issues of Time magazine), yet they are still
Professional Scientists are publishing in Time now? Damn - and I just
renewed my subscription to Nature.
* semyaza *
-- Atheist #1915 : Just another fallen angel
http://www.primenet.com/~heuvelc
Michael Newton
Rev Fredric L. Rice <fr...@spinics.SPAMnet> wrote in message
news:tcihvr6...@corp.supernews.com...
>
> Take a look at these unfortunate claims. Because science doesn't support
> the notion of a "global flood" and because sceince debunks utter all such
> notions, libraries are "filled with much misinformation."
>
> How conveinient when trying to continue to believe demonstrably false
nonsense.
>
> An April's Fool's Joke? Sadly no. These people actually vote.
And believe everything they're told by their preachers, in fact. A year or
so ago, on the Kenneth Copeland "gospel" TV program, some yammering
"professor" from a southern "Bible academy" was expounding on the
flesh-and-blood reality of the fire-breathing monster Leviathan from the Old
Testament. He had it worked out by extrapolating from an iguana skull or
some such that the mythical beast could "kindle sparks" in its sinuses and
thus breathe fire--because "God said so."
At least they provide comic relief.
mn
Michael Newton
* semyaza * <1...@hokie-pokie.net> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:36:28 GMT, fr...@spinics.SPAMnet (Rev Fredric
> L. Rice) wrote:
>
> >"missing links" yes, that is just what they are, missing. All of them
have
> >been refuted by regular
> >scientists (check back in old issues of Time magazine), yet they are
still
>
> Professional Scientists are publishing in Time now? Damn - and I just
> renewed my subscription to Nature.
>
> * semyaza *
The entire "missing link" controversy supposes something no evolutionist has
ever seriously suggested--i.e., a direct lineal descent of all human beings
from one particular ancestor, so that Australopithecus *becomes*
Neanderthal, etc. It completely ignores parallel evolution.
It's called a family *tree*, people, not a family *stalk*. Think branches.
mn
Eric Prebys
OK, so it's shooting fish in a barrel, but...
> (snip, snip, snip...)
> Creation makes everything fall into place, makes sense of this life & the
> life to come ,gives man worth & purpose, gives man responsibility to his
> fellow man, to caring for the earth, to honoring the God who created the
> earth. Everything made sooo much sense. That I never got from Evolution.
> Evolution couldn't explain
> advanced ancient civilizations, sin, God, missing links, mutations , planets
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Those would presumably be the "missing links" and mutations that don't
exist?
> that spin in different directions, a wobbling in the earth's axis, the
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Yes, that is certainly a failure of evolution, and we're forced to turn
the equally false and evil science of physics :)
> woodpecker for just a few examples, that Creation could easily explain them.
> Fredric you have more faith than I do, I find it impossible to believe in
> the claims of evolution....facts, truth really don't support it. When you
> examine the facts which I have for 8 years, only Creation stands up. But
> even then, one must come by faith.
This is why we'll never win. Science will never, EVER be able to
compete
with the all purpose answer "because God wants it that way".
>
> There is a way that seems right to a man, yet it's end is death. Our hearts
> are deceitfully wicked so says the Bible. I believe it.
> With God, you must come by faith. He has left evidence of his creation
> everywhere, but by faith we believe, not blindly,but through His word, not
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
I haven't the slightest idea what that statement means.
> opinions of men.
> It is interesting to me the length people go to try to keep God out of
> their lives. They would rather believe in any hair-brained idea than trust
> the living God.
> Man is basically selfish & self-centered without God. Evolution offers no
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Oh yes, and God invariably brings out the best in people, for example...
(1) The Crusades
(2) The Inquisition
(3) Northern Ireland
(4) Israel/Palistine
(5) The KKK
(6) Rev. Fred Phelps
(7) Rabbi Meir Kahane
(8) The Ayatola Khomeni
(9) ANY televangelist
Of course I could make a very long list of great things done in the name
of
God - and on the other side Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot didn't use God
to
justify their acts. The point is, Man is capable of some pretty extreme
behavior, good and bad, whether you bring God into the picture or not.
> hope, no real future; it offers lies, fear, emptyness, self-centeredness,
> survival of the fittest.
> May you ask God if Creation is right ; He can show you the truth.
> Sincerely, a former, nolonger evolutionist.
>
> ---
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Michael Newton
Eric Prebys <pre...@princeton.edu> quoted some previous poster....
> > Creation makes everything fall into place
So did early myths describing the sun as a "fiery chariot"--but they were
wrong.
> > makes sense of this life & the life to come ...
That's the function of mythology. It doesn't make the stories *true*.
And, it should go without saying, we have no evidence at all of any "life to
come."
mn
Adam Marczyk
news:3AC9EBD2...@princeton.edu...
[snip]
> Of course I could make a very long list of great things done in the name
> of
> God - and on the other side Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot didn't use God
> to
> justify their acts.
Actually, Hitler did. IIRC, the Nazis' slogan, which every soldier in their
army wore, was "God With Us." And he states more than once in Mein Kampf
that he sees "fighting the Jewish poison" as his God-given duty.
> The point is, Man is capable of some pretty extreme
> behavior, good and bad, whether you bring God into the picture or not.
"Good people will do good things, and bad people will do bad things; but it
takes religion to make good people do bad things." --Forgot the source,
unfortunately.
[snip]
--
When I am dreaming,
I don't know if I'm truly asleep, or if I'm awake.
When I get up,
I don't know if I'm truly awake, or if I'm still dreaming...
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Michael Newton
Adam Marczyk <ebon...@excite.com> wrote in message
news:9ad6d8$s46$1...@node17.cwnet.frontiernet.net...
> Eric Prebys <pre...@princeton.edu> wrote in message
> news:3AC9EBD2...@princeton.edu...
>
> [snip]
>
> > Of course I could make a very long list of great things done in the name
> > of
> > God - and on the other side Hitler, Stalin, and Pol Pot didn't use God
> > to
> > justify their acts.
>
> Actually, Hitler did. IIRC, the Nazis' slogan, which every soldier in
their
> army wore, was "God With Us." And he states more than once in Mein Kampf
> that he sees "fighting the Jewish poison" as his God-given duty.
He has also been quoted as saying, "One is either a German or a Christian.
You cannot be both." Adolf's views on religion are by no means established,
but he was clearly no friend of Xianity--except where it served his
purposes, as in finding a cowardly pope to help him rob and kill Jews.
mn
Ken Cox
> "Good people will do good things, and bad people will do bad things; but it
> takes religion to make good people do bad things." --Forgot the source,
> unfortunately.
Terry Pratchett has something similar about group-think, but
he doesn't restrict it to religion. I don't remember which
book, though I'm pretty sure it was a Discworld one. Anyway,
it goes something like,
"People tend to go with the crowd, whether it's dressing
in brown shirts and beating up Jews, or dressing in white
sheets and lynching blacks, or dressing in tie-dyed shirts
and playing guitars at soldiers. Give people a slogan and
a uniform and they'll buy the rest of the package."
--
Ken Cox k...@research.bell-labs.com
Free Bird
lunatic to make me his pet salvation project and thus entertain me
with guffs of laughter every morning. What does a person have to do to
get these nascient Neandertols to put me on their list of freaky
e-mail?!
On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:36:28 GMT, fr...@spinics.SPAMnet (Rev Fredric
L. Rice) wrote:
Al Klein
posted in alt.atheism:
>On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:36:28 GMT, fr...@spinics.SPAMnet (Rev Fredric
>L. Rice) wrote:
>>"missing links" yes, that is just what they are, missing. All of them have
>>been refuted by regular
>>scientists (check back in old issues of Time magazine), yet they are still
>Professional Scientists are publishing in Time now? Damn - and I just
>renewed my subscription to Nature.
Time is a pier-reviewed publication. I see people reviewing it on the
pier all the time.
<ducks and runs>
--
Al - Unnumbered Atheist #infinity
aklein at villagenet dot com
Angelico
] Damn. Why dio you get all the good e-mail?!!?!? I want some ravuing
] lunatic to make me his pet salvation project and thus entertain me
] with guffs of laughter every morning. What does a person have to do to
] get these nascient Neandertols to put me on their list of freaky
] e-mail?!
Life isn't fair, is it? Some guys get all the fun and the rest of us
*sigh* just have to envy them.
--
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http://teleline.terra.es/personal/angelarn/
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Angelico
L. Rice) wrote:
]
] Take a look at these unfortunate claims. Because science doesn't support
] the notion of a "global flood" and because sceince debunks utter all such
] notions, libraries are "filled with much misinformation."
]
] How conveinient when trying to continue to believe demonstrably false nonsense.
]
] An April's Fool's Joke? Sadly no. These people actually vote.
]
] And note the nutter throwing a Christanic curse, threatening his betters
] with his voodoo magic when he acquires orgasm toward the end.
It would be hilarious if he wasn't for real. What a loon. What do you
do to get them? I never receive these rants. Yesterday I got four
mails from those "Minister" License sellers, the ones of "Perform
weddings!!", but never from cretinists.
LOL!! The spell checker offered "creationists" for "cretinists!"
Surely the programmers don't know how accurate it is :)
Rev Fredric L. Rice
>Damn. Why dio you get all the good e-mail?!!?!?
It actually takes hard work and dedication. }:-} Can you imagine the
wonderful mail that CSICOP and the Skeptics Society gets? And what about
the various online Humanist organizations? Americans United? I'd bet
that they get stuff that's even better.
>I want some ravuing lunatic to make me his pet salvation project
>and thus entertain me with guffs of laughter every morning. What
>does a person have to do to get these nascient Neandertols to put
>me on their list of freaky e-mail?!
Do you seriously want suggestions? How about creating a web site that's
dedicated solely to exposing the knuckle-dragging attributes of the average
follower of the "Promise Keeper" cult? How about creating a web site
that's dedicated solely to the debunking of the massive fraud known
collectivly as "Dr." Hovind? And there really should be web sites dedicated
to the debunking of all the false prophets -- Jimmy Swaggart, Oral Roberts,
Pat Robertson... There are hundreds to choose from, any one of which would
get you wonderful e-mail just filled with anger and resentment.
Rev Fredric L. Rice
>On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:36:28 GMT, fr...@spinics.SPAMnet (Rev Fredric
>L. Rice) wrote:
>] Take a look at these unfortunate claims. Because science doesn't support
>] the notion of a "global flood" and because sceince debunks utter all such
>] notions, libraries are "filled with much misinformation."
>] How conveinient when trying to continue to believe demonstrably false nonsense.
>] An April's Fool's Joke? Sadly no. These people actually vote.
>] And note the nutter throwing a Christanic curse, threatening his betters
>] with his voodoo magic when he acquires orgasm toward the end.
>It would be hilarious if he wasn't for real. What a loon. What do you
>do to get them? I never receive these rants. Yesterday I got four
>mails from those "Minister" License sellers, the ones of "Perform
>weddings!!", but never from cretinists.
One of the damn annoying things about most of the e-mail that comes in
is that it's totally disconnected from any indication as to what prompted
or motivated the individual to send it in. It gets forwarded to the people
who volunteer to answer the mail at The Skeptic Tank but something like one
out of a hundred or so I forward to usenet for academics to comment upon. I
lack professional training in human psychology, after all. Still, quite
often there's no indication what was read on my web site to motivate the
comment.
I _do_ appreciate the mail and I try to read at least the first sentence
of every one yet some times I get massive submissions that are _truly_
amazing. One lengthy run-on sentence that's over 100K long threatening
myself and everyone on the Skeptic Tank with invisible gods and death
from above is common. They're all collected into a folder and I have
hopes that some day they'll be edited and published in a book. That
would be quite an effort and I'm not sure I'm up for it yet.
Indeed, there is often something closely approximating orgasmic climax
in many such postings. I appreciate the effort the people put into them
and I honestly try to pick through many of them, and I'll respond to a
few of them. Usually I'll try to be polite though I must confess that at
times I'll chuck academic decorum and I'll respond by investigating the
Creationists' potty habits simply for lack of desire to expend energy
to respond reasonably. <smile>
>LOL!! The spell checker offered "creationists" for "cretinists!"
>Surely the programmers don't know how accurate it is :)
A Satanic conspiracy, no doubt. }:-}
Kevin Burnett
wrote:
>Free...@aol.com (Free Bird) wrote:
>
>>Damn. Why dio you get all the good e-mail?!!?!?
>
>It actually takes hard work and dedication. }:-} Can you imagine the
>wonderful mail that CSICOP and the Skeptics Society gets? And what about
>the various online Humanist organizations? Americans United? I'd bet
>that they get stuff that's even better.
Actually, I have wondered something about all the email you post to
sci.skeptic. Do these people know that their silly missives might be
posted to Usenet? I know you remove the email addresses of the senders,
but I still wonder if they realize that they might be ridiculed on Usenet.
--
Kevin Burnett http://www.catnip.org/