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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Jul 3, 2012, 12:23:00 AM7/3/12
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Spartacus was a symbol of rebellion. Jesus was a symbol of rebellion.
One chose the sword and the other chose the word. Blah, blah, blah,
and was crucified.

Spartacus rebellion ended in the crucifixion of thousands but they put
up a fight.

Who would you follow? Just wondering.

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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Jul 3, 2012, 12:25:16 AM7/3/12
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On Jul 2, 8:12 pm, mind <being@.... --- -- .> wrote:
> TibetanMonkey wrote and asked:
>
> >Spartacus was a symbol of rebellion. Jesus was a symbol of rebellion.
> >One chose the sword and the other chose the word. Blah, blah, blah,
> >and was crucified.
>
> >Spartacus rebellion ended in the crucifixion of thousands but they put
> >up a fight.
>
> >Who would you follow?
>
> Both, and mostly neither.
>
> There are unusually more than two
> or three or four sides to a situation.

You probably would join the party I'd join, I mean the Barbarians. I
bet you they had a blast sacking Rome, taking revenge for all evils
committed by Rome, and then running away with the GOLD. That was a
perfect blow.

Someone in the crowd must have cried, "Down with Rome!" But time
erases everything and now Rome is a bustling city, rather friendly I'd
say. Lots of scooters and people roaming free. Julia Roberts found
happiness there on her search for the "perfect place" in "Eat, Love
and Pray." She was pretty disappointed in India, where she witnessed a
sort of "Buddhist industry." I may be wrong but I read that much into
the movie. Of course, it was another stupid movie made to make money.
What a rip off!

Father Haskell

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Jul 3, 2012, 3:11:54 AM7/3/12
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On Jul 3, 12:25 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> You probably would join the party I'd join, I mean the Barbarians. I
> bet you they had a blast sacking Rome, taking revenge for all evils
> committed by Rome, and then running away with the GOLD. That was a
> perfect blow.

Party, dude.

Yap

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On Jul 3, 12:23 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
<comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Spartacus was a symbol of rebellion. Jesus was a symbol of rebellion.
> One chose the sword and the other chose the word. Blah, blah, blah,
> and was crucified.
>
> Spartacus rebellion ended in the crucifixion of thousands but they put
> up a fight.
>
> Who would you follow? Just wondering.

The trouble is in "follow".....
Why would sane people follow ancient people, whether good or bad?
We modern people do have a set of our own guidelines or standard.

Jesus was a stupid character meant to con money. Look at the words of
his disciples in the bible, at www.evilbible.com, they were evil, to
say the least.

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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Jul 3, 2012, 9:06:21 AM7/3/12
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On Jul 3, 3:27 am, Yap <hhyaps...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 3, 12:23 pm, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>
> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Spartacus was a symbol of rebellion. Jesus was a symbol of rebellion.
> > One chose the sword and the other chose the word. Blah, blah, blah,
> > and was crucified.
>
> > Spartacus rebellion ended in the crucifixion of thousands but they put
> > up a fight.
>
> > Who would you follow? Just wondering.
>
> The trouble is in "follow".....
> Why would sane people follow ancient people, whether good or bad?
> We modern people do have a set of our own guidelines or standard.
>
> Jesus was a stupid character meant to con money. Look at the words of
> his disciples in the bible, atwww.evilbible.com, they were evil, to
> say the least.

Wait, wait, we may "follow" Socrates or Epicurus. But, of course, our
experience is so much richer now. We can not claim exactly that "I
only know I know nothing!"

For one, we have tablets and Google. And we know religion only brought
us darkness when it was in power (the Dark Ages). But we should even
question the greatest philosophers of this time --including me.

But that's only my humble opinion.

The Magpie

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Jul 3, 2012, 9:58:44 AM7/3/12
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On 03/07/2012 05:23, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
> Spartacus was a symbol of rebellion. Jesus was a symbol of rebellion.
> One chose the sword and the other chose the word. Blah, blah, blah,
> and was crucified.
>
> Spartacus rebellion ended in the crucifixion of thousands but they put
> up a fight.
>
> Who would you follow? Just wondering.
>
Just a hint - Spartacus was crucified too.


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Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

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Jul 3, 2012, 11:35:13 AM7/3/12
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On Tue, 03 Jul 2012 14:58:44 +0100
The Magpie <use...@pigsinspace.co.uk> wrote:
> On 03/07/2012 05:23, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher
> wrote:
>
>> Spartacus was a symbol of rebellion. Jesus was a symbol of
>> rebellion. One chose the sword and the other chose the word. Blah,
>> blah, blah, and was crucified.
>>
>> Spartacus rebellion ended in the crucifixion of thousands but they
>> put up a fight.
>>
>> Who would you follow? Just wondering.

If I had nothing to lose, and faced tragedy by not following, it would
be Spartacus because he didn't discourage imposters (and that fits
better with my prankster characteristic from when I was younger).

> Just a hint - Spartacus was crucified too.

Ha ha! Was he as "cross" as Jesus?

The nice thing about following these leaders from a distance is that
there a better chance of avoiding crucifixion with a simple "duck and
run" technique if you're aware enough to notice that everything is
starting to go sideways.

--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"The revolution is not an apple that falls when it is ripe. You have
to make it fall."
-- Che Guevara

Tronscend

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> On 03/07/2012 05:23, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>> Spartacus was a symbol of rebellion. Jesus was a symbol of rebellion.
>> One chose the sword and the other chose the word. Blah, blah, blah,
>> and was crucified.
>>
>> Spartacus rebellion ended in the crucifixion of thousands but they put
>> up a fight.
>>
>> Who would you follow? Just wondering.
>>
> Just a hint - Spartacus was crucified too.

Only in the Hollywood movie.
According to Roman chroniclers, Spartacus was killed in one of the final
battles.



TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Jul 4, 2012, 1:01:00 AM7/4/12
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On Jul 3, 12:25 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
Sorry, the word "pray" in the movie should have given me a hint it was
an stupid movie. But we saw Julia Roberts riding a bike and we assumed
she was smart.

Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

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Jul 4, 2012, 1:57:51 AM7/4/12
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On Tue, 3 Jul 2012 22:01:00 -0700 (PDT)
"TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
It's okay -- your optimism probably just got the better of you.

> But we saw Julia Roberts riding a bike and we assumed she was smart.

You just presented a striking resemblance to US elections.

--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"I'm Spartacus!"
-- Anonymous

TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Jul 4, 2012, 9:59:09 AM7/4/12
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On Jul 4, 1:57 am, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
Exactly, advertising does tricks to your mind.

>
> > But we saw Julia Roberts riding a bike and we assumed she was smart.
>
> You just presented a striking resemblance to US elections.

Oh, the elections, yes that's a great pastime.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjay5vgIwt4

The toothless man (wise man) tells her to go to Bali so she packs
everything and go. Happiness is an American pursuit that is seldom
found. The rat race stands on the way. But you may pray for it, right?

Sorry for my review. Two thumbs down.

TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Jul 4, 2012, 10:23:09 AM7/4/12
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On Jul 3, 12:51 pm, "Tronscend" <tronf...@frizurf.no> wrote:
> "The Magpie" <use...@pigsinspace.co.uk> skrev i meldingnews:pUCIr.440759$3i1....@fx10.am4...
Spartacus actually choked on an apple.

I'm sorry for those who expected something heroic. Jesus is the real
hero for NOT running from the Romans.

The Magpie

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Tell that to the Tibetean Monkey...

Actually, no-one knows how he died (hence the "I'm Spartacus" bit in
the film). Its anyone's guess.


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TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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> >> On 03/07/2012 05:23, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
> >>> Spartacus was a symbol of rebellion. Jesus was a symbol of rebellion.
> >>> One chose the sword and the other chose the word. Blah, blah, blah,
> >>> and was crucified.
>
> >>> Spartacus rebellion ended in the crucifixion of thousands but they put
> >>> up a fight.
>
> >>> Who would you follow? Just wondering.
>
> >> Just a hint - Spartacus was crucified too.
>
> > Only in the Hollywood movie.
> > According to Roman chroniclers, Spartacus was killed in one of the final
> > battles.
>
> Tell that to the Tibetean Monkey...
>
> Actually, no-one knows how he died (hence the "I'm Spartacus" bit in
> the film). Its anyone's guess.

Jesus said, "I'm the King of the Jews"... but he wasn't. And they
crucified him for that.

Did the Romans actively prosecute impostors? It that what the Roman
Law, which inspired modern law, has to offer?

I think it's all a farce.

Father Haskell

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Elvis was the King. His first job was "shabbos goy"
for a nice orthodox jewish family.

TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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Elvis rocked the world and Jesus rocked the world. But it doesn't mean
that's any better than before. Actually the world was worse after
Jesus.

And Elvis made it a better world. But that's only my humble opinion.

Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

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<thetibet...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jul 4, 4:42 pm, Father Haskell <fatherhask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 4, 11:50 am, "TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
>> <comandante.ban...@yahoo.com> wrote:
[snip]
>>> Jesus said, "I'm the King of the Jews"... but he wasn't. And they
>>> crucified him for that.
>>>
>>> Did the Romans actively prosecute impostors? It that what the
>>> Roman Law, which inspired modern law, has to offer?
>>>
>>> I think it's all a farce.
>>
>> Elvis was the King.  His first job was "shabbos goy"
>> for a nice orthodox jewish family.
>
> Elvis rocked the world and Jesus rocked the world. But it doesn't mean
> that's any better than before. Actually the world was worse after
> Jesus.
>
> And Elvis made it a better world. But that's only my humble opinion.

Elvis is, to many, the new Jesus. He is the replacement who is more
rational, and after a few hundred years it will likely be said that he
was resurrected after being crucified cruelly on a giant electric
guitar and forced to take drugs.

There will always be kooky people who are just weird enough to write a
giant, poorly organized story book about this.

--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"If you wake up tomorrow morning, thinking that saying a few Latin
words over your pancakes is going to turn them into the body of Elvis
Presley, you have lost your mind, but if you think, more or less, the
same thing about a cracker and the body of Jesus, you're just a
Catholic."
-- Sam Harris

TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher

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On Jul 6, 11:37 am, "Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess"
True, and notice they never died. THEY ARE BOTH ALIVE!

But I stay with Elvis.

Tell you what, I stay with Chuck Berry...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ofD9t_sULM&feature=related

Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess

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"TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher"
Ha ha! But wasn't Chuck Berry smited by Elvis?

--
Fidem Turbare, the non-existent atheist goddess
"Only the dead have seen the end of war."
-- Plato of Athens

Father Haskell

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"Will Elvis take the place of jesus in a thousand years?" (Jello
Biafra)

Father Haskell

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They'll never smite Keith Richards.

Tronscend

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Supposedly, that was the charge that the Sanhedrin presented to the Romans.
There was no provision for a death penalty executed by others than Romans
at the time, so this was the way to do it.
Proclaiming oneself king was rebellion, according to roman law.

T


Tronscend

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>>> On 03/07/2012 05:23, TibetanMonkey, the Beach Cruiser Philosopher wrote:
>>>> Spartacus was a symbol of rebellion. Jesus was a symbol of rebellion.
>>>> One chose the sword and the other chose the word. Blah, blah, blah,
>>>> and was crucified.
>>>>
>>>> Spartacus rebellion ended in the crucifixion of thousands but they put
>>>> up a fight.
>>>>
>>>> Who would you follow? Just wondering.
>>>>
>>> Just a hint - Spartacus was crucified too.
>>
>> Only in the Hollywood movie.
>> According to Roman chroniclers, Spartacus was killed in one of the final
>> battles.
>>
> Tell that to the Tibetean Monkey...
>
> Actually, no-one knows how he died (hence the "I'm Spartacus" bit in
> the film). Its anyone's guess.


What there are of sources (mainly Appian), relate that he died in the final
battle.
Plutarch concurs.

T


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>>
>> Jesus said, "I'm the King of the Jews"... but he wasn't. And they
>> crucified him for that.
>>
>> Did the Romans actively prosecute impostors? It that what the Roman
>> Law, which inspired modern law, has to offer?
>
> Supposedly, that was the charge that the Sanhedrin presented to the
> Romans. There was no provision for a death penalty executed by others
> than Romans at the time, so this was the way to do it.

Not quite ass accurate as you usually are.
There were las in place that allowed local populations to eliminatge,
kill, execute, give teh last dance to, many. But crucifixtion, now that
was reserved by & for the Romans to impliment.
There were only three, after Julius Caesar, ways for a non-Roman citizen
to be given the grand performance. Usually alone to increae the torment
of the celebrnt.
Insurection, aka treason to Rome.
A slave in revolt against, or who has killed his master.
A pirate, specifically a sea pirate. It was a personal thing with Gaius
Julius Caesar.
For local crimes that the death penalty was in use for, they were free to
do so. That means that Bubba Jesus could have been stoned, Not herbaly,
to death & Rome would not have cared.
But that did not fit the needs of the unkown authors of the Greek
Testaments, & they needed tgh Jews to be guilty, not the Romans. After
all, they were trying to peddle their version of unreality to the Roman
population, for that was where the power & money was.

> Proclaiming oneself king was rebellion, according to roman law.

If he actually did that, but IIRC, his imaginary followers did that. he
himself did not. Still, there are passages that indicate he was an
unsurectionist, so quien sabe amigo?

walksalone who does admire one thing about the Greek testaments. They
are a perfect example of effective propaganda.

When times are hard, people turn to luck.
When times are desperate, people turn to the gods.
Author unkown to me.



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