Jesus in Hell
Jerry Kraus
The Mountain stood tall.
Five fathoms high, four fathoms wide,
The Mountain stood tall.
And the Mountain shook and thundered,
The Mountain poured forth rain,
At its peak
Throughout the eternal plain
Midst the groans and sighs of the multitude
Of desperate searching souls in turpitude.
The Mountain shuddered and thundered,
A clamoring peak,
Great and subtle in its Holiness,
Wise and ancient in its consciousness
With pools like eyes at its peak,
Glittering with mirthfulness
Great gash of a mouth, that would speak
"'Forgive them, Oh Lord, for they know not
What they do!'"
And thundering peals of laughter
Midst the terrible slaughter
Of the eternal plain.
"Why, this little fellow,
bloody, beaten, struggling for breath
reminds me of Job.
But Job at least had the sense
To question his maker
Though twas I who was his true nemesis."
Blue sulpher, green fume
A great light above
The Son of Man
Descends like a dove.
Eternal cries of joy and pain
Grief and hope, fear and longing
Moans and sighs confounding
Mixt the sounds of bitter lamentations
Whilst triumphant
The clarion call of the dying groan
Of man's gift of love
Consummates a cacophony
Unknown to mortal man.
"Well, my boy, you seem a bit humbler,
Than when we last met, in the desert.
I trust you see the error of you ways.
I offered you the world
And now, I trust, you see the ways of the world."
The Son of Man, a bit the worse for wear,
Wiped away a tear.
"My Father shall soon free me
from your slavery."
"Your Father!"
The Mountain thundered.
"Why, I am your only Father, here.
But, fear not, my boy.
As Job was a mere toy
In the hands of the Lord
So shall you be, to me.
You shall be under his hand
At my command."
"I do not wager
With the Devil,"
Quoth the Son of Man,
Defiant.
"Oh, no wager required,
I merely wish to see
Over the course of many centuries
How passeth the progress
Of Man as God.
What horrendous genocides
What bizarre depravaties
What detestable enormities
Your mere presence may unleash
On all unsuspecting humanity.
And, at the end, we shall see,
Who hath fared the better.
Job, the Lord, you or me.
So, Begone!"
© Copyright Jerome Rayomnd Kraus (2008)
Jerry Kraus
© Copyright Jerome Raymond Kraus (2008)
last_per...@yahoo.com
Brought to you by Retard #!*Rayomnd## and his bottle
of Thunderbird.
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There once was a retard called Kraus
Who was known for being a souse
His claim to fame were poems inane
And having all the friends of a louse
Cary Kittrell
> Jesus in Hell
>
> The Mountain stood tall.
> Five fathoms high, four fathoms wide,
> The Mountain stood tall.
Not to be overly pedantic here, but a mountain
ten yards tall isn't really all that much
of a mountain. I've got cacti in my
yard a fair bit taller.
-- cary
"blue sulpher"?...
> =A9 Copyright Jerome Rayomnd Kraus (2008)
Dale Houstman
The Mountain Wide As Rain
The mountain
wide as rain
The sigh
subtle in pools
Wisely consciousness gash
Thundering and senseless job
Questions a fume of doves
Butter of laments
mortal as a desert tear.
� Copyright Skanky McJesus (2008)
Brian E. Clark
547647...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, Jerry
Kraus said...
> The Mountain stood tall.
> Five fathoms high, four fathoms wide,
Thirty feet high by twenty-four feet wide?
Your mountain is smaller than my house.
--
-----------
Brian E. Clark
Douglas Berry
<jkrau...@yahoo.com> carved the following into the hard stone of
alt.atheism
>Jesus in Hell
Holy Smoke (Iron Maiden)
(Dickinson/Smith)
Believe in me - send no money
Died on the cross, that ain't funny
But my so called friends they're making me a joke
They missed out what I said like I never spoke
They choose what they wanna hear - don't tell a lie
They just leave out the truth as they're watching you die
Saving your soul by taking your money
Flies around shit, bees around honey
chorus
Holy Smoke Holy Smoke, plenty bad preachers for
The Devil to stoke
Feed'em in feet first this is no joke
This is thirsty work making Holy Smoke
making Holy Smoke
Jimmy Reptile and all his friends
Say their gonna be with you at the end
Burning records burning books
Holy soldiers, Nazi looks
Crocodile smiles, just wait a while
Till the TV queen gets her make-up clean
I've lived in filth, I've lived in sin
And I still smell cleaner than the shit you're in
repeat chorus
Holy Smoke - smells good
They ain't religious but they ain't no fools
When Noah built his Cadillac it was cool
Two by two they're still going down
And the satellite circus just left town
I think they're strange and when they're dead
They can have a Lincoln for their bed
Friend of the president trick of the tail
Now they ain't got a prayer 100 years in jail
repeat chorus
Holy Smoke - hah
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
Therion Ware
Lived: 1887-1959
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If a good man were ever housed in Hell
By needful error of the qualities,
Perhaps to prove the rule or shame the devil,
Or speak the truth only a stranger sees,
Would he, surrendering quick to obvious hate,
fill half eternity with cries and tears,
Or watch beside Hell's little wicket gate
In patience for the first ten thousand years,
Feeling the curse climb slowly to his throat
That, uttered, dooms him to rescindless ill,
Forcing his praying tongue to run by rote,
Eternity entire before him still?
Would he at last, grown faithful in his station,
Kindle a little hope in hopeless Hell,
And sow among the damned doubts of damnation,
Since here someone could live, and live well?
One doubt of evil would bring down such a grace,
Open such a gate, and Eden could enter in,
Hell be a place like any other place,
And love and hate and life and death begin.
Amanda Reid
> Jesus in Hell
>
> The Mountain stood tall.
> Five fathoms high, four fathoms wide,
> The Mountain stood tall.
> And the Mountain shook and thundered,
> The Mountain poured forth rain,
> At its peak
> Throughout the eternal plain
To the monkey, human noises have Miraculous Powowers.
(You really have no dam' idea what a fathom is, do you.)
>
> © Copyright Jerome Rayomnd Kraus (2008)
Oh, wait, I forgot. Everybody Loves Rayomnd.
'Specially JeeZuss.
bob young
Jerry Kraus wrote:
>
> Jesus in Hell
both are mythology, so no point to address
Cary Kittrell
>
>
> Jerry Kraus wrote:
> > =
>
> > Jesus in Hell
>
>
> both are mythology, so no point to address
Well, there's blue sulpher[sic]. As a chemist, I'm aware
of red sulphur and black sulphur and, of course, yellow
sulphur. But blue?
-- cary
>
>
> > =
> > =
>
> > Blue sulpher, green fume
> > A great light above
> > The Son of Man
> > Descends like a dove.
> > =
>
> > Eternal cries of joy and pain
> > Grief and hope, fear and longing
> > Moans and sighs confounding
> > Mixt the sounds of bitter lamentations
> > Whilst triumphant
> > The clarion call of the dying groan
> > Of man's gift of love
> > Consummates a cacophony
> > Unknown to mortal man.
> > =
>
> > "Well, my boy, you seem a bit humbler,
> > Than when we last met, in the desert.
> > I trust you see the error of you ways.
> > I offered you the world
> > And now, I trust, you see the ways of the world."
> > =
>
> > The Son of Man, a bit the worse for wear,
> > Wiped away a tear.
> > =
>
> > "My Father shall soon free me
> > from your slavery."
> > =
>
> > "Your Father!"
> > The Mountain thundered.
> > "Why, I am your only Father, here.
> > But, fear not, my boy.
> > As Job was a mere toy
> > In the hands of the Lord
> > So shall you be, to me.
> > You shall be under his hand
> > At my command."
> > =
>
> > "I do not wager
> > With the Devil,"
> > Quoth the Son of Man,
> > Defiant.
> > =
>
> > "Oh, no wager required,
> > I merely wish to see
> > Over the course of many centuries
> > How passeth the progress
> > Of Man as God.
> > What horrendous genocides
> > What bizarre depravaties
> > What detestable enormities
> > Your mere presence may unleash
> > On all unsuspecting humanity.
> > And, at the end, we shall see,
> > Who hath fared the better.
> > Job, the Lord, you or me.
> > So, Begone!"
> > =
>
> > =A9 Copyright Jerome Rayomnd Kraus (2008)
Jerry Kraus
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
True Cary. But, it's pretty big for an intelligent being. You know,
"A mountain of a man" wouldn't be 10,000 feet tall. Presenting Satan
as a "mountain" 30 feet high is fairly consistent with the concept of
angels as giants and sons of God in the Bible. Thanks for your
interest, though.
JK
DuhIdiot
news:4451c74f-d203-4e4a...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
> On Jul 7, 4:33 pm, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
>> In article
>> <ca0d16d6-4e15-4f57-89dc-547647a75...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups
> .com> Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> writes:
>>
>> > Jesus in Hell
>>
>> > The Mountain stood tall.
>> > Five fathoms high, four fathoms wide,
>> > The Mountain stood tall.
>>
>> Not to be overly pedantic here, but a mountain
>> ten yards tall isn't really all that much
>> of a mountain. I've got cacti in my
>> yard a fair bit taller.
>>
>> -- cary
<snip>
> True Cary. But, it's pretty big for an intelligent being. You know,
> "A mountain of a man" wouldn't be 10,000 feet tall. Presenting Satan
> as a "mountain" 30 feet high is fairly consistent with the concept of
> angels as giants and sons of God in the Bible. Thanks for your
> interest, though.
>
> JK
Beelzebub is 30 feet tall and 24 wide? Bit of a lardass, isn't he? ;-)
--
No SPAM in my email.
expla...@yahoo.com
1]Dear Israelis,
Biblically speaking, Jeremiah 3:18 prophesied that the [split]house of
Judah would walk with the [split] house of Israel to form the nation
of Israel.
The house of Judah consisted of 2 tribes namely Judah and Benjamin to
form kingdom of Judah ; and the house of Israel the rest of the 12
tribes forming the kingdom of Israel[not the Nation of Israel].
Prophecies of Jeremiah -Chapter 3 & 6 spoke of God gathering the Jews
back to Zion to form to the state of Israel:
THE creatiom of STATE OF ISRAEL WAS PROPHESIED BY MANY PROPHETS except
Mohammed-the lying prophet- of God after ww2 He gathered the Jews from
Europe to form the state of Israel.
Consequently, even the billions of Muslims going against Israel,
Israel survives all attacks because GOD shield Israel. AS SUCH,
ISRAEL HAS A DEFENCE THAT NO MUSLIM WILL BE ABLE TO BREAK THROUGH.
2] How Jews are defined:
Because of the sins of the Israelites[=Jews] disobeying God in
refusing to acknowlge the New Covenant[revealed in Jeremiah 31:3`-34],
which was instituted by the shedding of the blood of a lamb named
Jesus-the Son of God- who was sent by God[HaShem] to teach the
Israelites the New Covenant[Matthew 26:28] renewing the Old for
redemption of souls just like the shedding of a sacrificial lamb of
the passover that redeemed PHYSICALLY the Jews in the Exodus, the Jews
were punished in WW2.
3]Jeremiah Chapter 3 & 6 prophesied the punishment and gathering of
the Jews back FROM GERMANY[Jer 6:21-23 to Zion. The Jews were punished
[Jer 6:29-30] FOR FAILING TO OBEY THE NEW COVENANT[Jer 31:31-34]
GREATLY to the extent that only ONE TAKEN FROM A CITY AND 2 FROM A
FAMILY by God[Jer 3:14] from THE LAND OF THE NORTH[Europe]-Jer 3:18]
to the land[Zion]-Jer 3:14]-which God had given to the Israelites [Jer
3:18]- to form the Nation of Israel after WW2. Germany was used by God
to punish the Jews[Jer 6:21-24].
4]Descendants of Jacob[Israel] are NOW Israelites:
The Jews from the fallen kingdom of Judah were called Jews as they
were scattered around. The word "Jews" denote[D] the people of the
kingdom of Jedah.
The Israelites[=Samaritans] from the falled kngdom of Israel were also
called Jews ERRONEOUSLY as they were scattered around.
Hence Jews from the kingdom of Judah and Samaritans from the kingdom
of Israel were wrongly called as Jews by others.
God bless Israel
AMEN IN CHRIST JESUS
Christopher A. Lee
>2] How Jews are defined:
>Because of the sins of the Israelites[=Jews] disobeying God in
>refusing to acknowlge the New Covenant[revealed in Jeremiah 31:3`-34],
>which was instituted by the shedding of the blood of a lamb named
>Jesus-the Son of God- who was sent by God[HaShem] to teach the
>Israelites the New Covenant[Matthew 26:28] renewing the Old for
>redemption of souls just like the shedding of a sacrificial lamb of
>the passover that redeemed PHYSICALLY the Jews in the Exodus, the Jews
>were punished in WW2.
What a fucking, bigoted moron.
Cary Kittrell
>
> 1]Dear Israelis,
> Biblically speaking, Jeremiah 3:18 prophesied that the [split]house of
> Judah would walk with the [split] house of Israel to form the nation
> of Israel.
> The house of Judah consisted of 2 tribes namely Judah and Benjamin to
> form kingdom of Judah ; and the house of Israel the rest of the 12
> tribes forming the kingdom of Israel[not the Nation of Israel].
> Prophecies of Jeremiah -Chapter 3 & 6 spoke of God gathering the Jews
> back to Zion to form to the state of Israel:
> THE creatiom of STATE OF ISRAEL WAS PROPHESIED BY MANY PROPHETS except
> Mohammed-the lying prophet- of God after ww2 He gathered the Jews from
> Europe to form the state of Israel.
> Consequently, even the billions of Muslims going against Israel,
> Israel survives all attacks because GOD shield Israel. AS SUCH,
> ISRAEL HAS A DEFENCE THAT NO MUSLIM WILL BE ABLE TO BREAK THROUGH.
>
> 2] How Jews are defined:
> refusing to acknowlge the New Covenant[revealed in Jeremiah 31:3`-34],
> which was instituted by the shedding of the blood of a lamb named
> Jesus-the Son of God- who was sent by God[HaShem] to teach the
> Israelites the New Covenant[Matthew 26:28] renewing the Old for
> redemption of souls just like the shedding of a sacrificial lamb of
> the passover that redeemed PHYSICALLY the Jews in the Exodus, the Jews
> were punished in WW2.
>
>
> 3]Jeremiah Chapter 3 & 6 prophesied the punishment and gathering of
> the Jews back FROM GERMANY[Jer 6:21-23 to Zion. The Jews were punished
> [Jer 6:29-30] FOR FAILING TO OBEY THE NEW COVENANT[Jer 31:31-34]
> GREATLY to the extent that only ONE TAKEN FROM A CITY AND 2 FROM A
> FAMILY by God[Jer 3:14] from THE LAND OF THE NORTH[Europe]-Jer 3:18]
> to the land[Zion]-Jer 3:14]-which God had given to the Israelites [Jer
> 3:18]- to form the Nation of Israel after WW2. Germany was used by God
> to punish the Jews[Jer 6:21-24].
>
> 4]Descendants of Jacob[Israel] are NOW Israelites:
> The Jews from the fallen kingdom of Judah were called Jews as they
> were scattered around. The word "Jews" denote[D] the people of the
> kingdom of Jedah.
> called Jews ERRONEOUSLY as they were scattered around.
> Hence Jews from the kingdom of Judah and Samaritans from the kingdom
> of Israel were wrongly called as Jews by others.
> God bless Israel
> AMEN IN CHRIST JESUS
Well, if that was lit-crit, it was properly opaque.
-- cary
FarStar
"Jerry Kraus" <jkrau...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:ca0d16d6-4e15-4f57...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Jesus in Hell
The Mountain stood tall.
Five fathoms high, four fathoms wide,
<shnip>
yes, even the mole knows
that the devil can substaintiate an anthill into a mountain
The true power of Jahweh
is that he can do all of that and take a break on sunday
----------------------------------------------
ever wonder who wrote the bible?
a bunch of plagiarists that stole the word of god
fla...@verizon.net
On 8-Jul-2008, ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
> In article
> <3fd82140-4eb6-42e2...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>
> expla...@yahoo.com writes:
[snip bigotry]
> Well, if that was lit-crit, it was properly opaque.
No, it was missionizing - the *writer* was opaque.
Susan
B. H. Cramer
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:OQTck.849$Ae3.654@trnddc05...
No it wasn't and you're as thick as pig shit.
Cary Kittrell
Not a farm boy, are you?
-- cary
ath...@home.com
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:
>In article <N4WdnSXnXP-Hh-nV...@giganews.com> "B. H. Cramer" <Iya...@alltimes.yep> writes:
>>
>> <fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:OQTck.849$Ae3.654@trnddc05...
>> >
>> > On 8-Jul-2008, ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
>> >
>> >> In article
>> >> <3fd82140-4eb6-42e2...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>
>> >> expla...@yahoo.com writes:
>> >
>> > [snip bigotry]
>> >
>> >> Well, if that was lit-crit, it was properly opaque.
>> >
>> > No, it was missionizing - the *writer* was opaque.
>>
>> No it wasn't and you're as thick as pig shit.
>>
>>
>
>Not a farm boy, are you?
Lol!
Caught that as well eh? ;)
atheist@home#1554
fla...@verizon.net
On 8-Jul-2008, ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
> In article <N4WdnSXnXP-Hh-nV...@giganews.com> "B. H. Cramer"
> <Iya...@alltimes.yep> writes:
> >
> > <fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:OQTck.849$Ae3.654@trnddc05...
> > >
> > > On 8-Jul-2008, ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
> > >
> > >> In article
> > >> <3fd82140-4eb6-42e2...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>
> > >> expla...@yahoo.com writes:
> > >
> > > [snip bigotry]
> > >
> > >> Well, if that was lit-crit, it was properly opaque.
> > >
> > > No, it was missionizing - the *writer* was opaque.
> >
> > No it wasn't and you're as thick as pig shit.
> >
> >
>
> Not a farm boy, are you?
Nor an honest, decent normal human being, neither.
HIs posts are iron-clas proof of it.
Susan
B. H. Cramer
"Cary Kittrell" <ca...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
news:g515u2$mns$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
Certainly not. Don't need to be a farm boy to know this cohen clown is
insane and as thick as pig shit.
>
>
> -- cary
>
>
B. H. Cramer
<fla...@verizon.net> wrote in message news:ttWck.1139$bn3.616@trnddc07...
Nope.
You're insane, cohen, as your every post proves.
>
> Susan
expla...@yahoo.com
1]Dear Israelis,
Biblically speaking, Jeremiah 3:18 prophesied that the [split]house of
Judah would walk with the [split] house of Israel to form the nation
of Israel.
The house of Judah consisted of 2 tribes namely Judah and Benjamin to
form kingdom of Judah ; and the house of Israel the rest of the 12
tribes forming the kingdom of Israel[not the Nation of
Israel].Prophecies of Jeremiah C3 & C6 spoke of God gathering the Jews
back to Zion, Israel.
2] How Jews are defined:
Because of the sins of the Israelites[=Jews] disobeying God in
refusing to acknowlge the New Covenant[Jeremiah 31:3`-34] , which was
instituted by the shedding of the blood of a lamb named Jesus-the Son
of God- who was sent by God[HaShem] to teach the Israelites the New
Covenant[Matthew 26:28] renewing the Old which redeems ALL souls just
like the shedding of a sacrificial lamb of the passover that redeemed
the Jews in the Exodus, the Jews were punished in WW2.
3]Jeremiah Ch3 & Ch6 prophesied the punishment and gathering of the
Jews back FROM GERMANY[Jer 6:21-23 to Zion. The Jews were punished
[Jer 6:29-30] FOR FAILING TO OBEY THE NEW COVENANT[Jer 31:31-34]. It
left only ONE TAKEN FROM A CITY AND 2 FROM A FAMILY by God[Jer 3:14]
from THE LAND OF THE NORTH[Europe]-Jer 3:18] to the land[Zion]-Jer
3:14]-which God had given to the Israelites [Jer 3:18]- to form the
Nation of Israel after WW2. Germany was used by God to punish the
Jews[Jer 6:21-24].
4]Descendants of Jacob[Israel] are NOW Israelites:
The Jews from the fallen kingdom of Judah were still called Jews as
they were scattered around. The word "Jews" denote[D] the people of
the kingdom of Jedah.
The Israelites[=Samaritans] from the falled kngdom of Israel were also
called Jews ERRONEOUSLY as they were scattered around.
Hence Jews from the kingdom of Judah and Samaritans from the kingdom
of Israel were wrongly called as Jews by others.
AMEN
-------------------
expla...@yahoo.com
bob young
Cary Kittrell wrote:
>
> In article <4873526F...@netvigator.com> alasp...@netvigator.com writes:
> >
> >
> > Jerry Kraus wrote:
> > > =
> >
> > > Jesus in Hell
> >
> >
> > both are mythology, so no point to address
>
> Well, there's blue sulpher[sic]. As a chemist, I'm aware
> of red sulphur and black sulphur and, of course, yellow
> sulphur. But blue?
>
> -- cary
Stick to chemistry you will make more sense.
Cary Kittrell
Hmmm...is he also as heavy as helium?
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
<scraw...@arvig.net> writes:
> + /logos/), i.e., a "message."
OK, now THAT was good. J u s t plausible enough that I
had to double-check with the Oxford Endless Dictionary.
<squints> Ain't seen you round these parts, stranger. This here's
`alt.atheism', bout halfway tween Godless Gulch and Hedonism Holler.
You in from onna them citified "po'try" groups?
> And a "guardian angel" is a /small/ set of words (cf. "in a pig's
> ass," "I'll be a monkey's uncle," "don't shoot your mouth off," etc.)
> that'll keep your ass in one piece if /you/ pay attention to /it/.
> You may brag that you made guardian angels "fly in one ear and out
> the other," but we see that you /have/ heard those phrases before,
> meaning that they flew in and /sat/ all these years, doing their jobs
> (you didn't).
> Which leads immediately to the next question, "How many angels /can/
> sit on a pinhead?" We see right in this sequence of posts yet one
> more angel somebody sent you -- and you dismissed.
>
> And the "devil" (Gr. /diabolos/, "that which throws opposite," L. /
> adversus/, "that which speaks opposite") is in Mod.Am. "that which
> shoots /back/," e.g., myself.
> When I'm not being "The Holy Ghost" (Mod.Am. "amateur"), that is.
> Q.v.
>
> N.B.: If you want a mountain of words thirty feet high, you hafta get
> Permission from Dockery, whose shit-piles routinely run rather higher
> than that.
> I'm sure he'll grant Permission; he's looking for followers again.
>
>
Nota even more Bene: you've made my entire morning.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
>
>
> Cary Kittrell wrote:
> >
> > In article <4873526F...@netvigator.com> alasp...@netvigator.com writes:
> > >
> > >
> > > Jerry Kraus wrote:
> > > > =
> > >
> > > > Jesus in Hell
> > >
> > >
> > > both are mythology, so no point to address
> >
> > Well, there's blue sulpher[sic]. As a chemist, I'm aware
> > of red sulphur and black sulphur and, of course, yellow
> > sulphur. But blue?
> >
> > -- cary
>
> Stick to chemistry you will make more sense.
But -- as I am sure you are aware -- there are some literary
crimes which can lead to having your poetic license revoked.
Caution is advised.
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
> On Jul 8, 9:54=A0am, DuhIdiot <jmSasPhbAu...@windstream.net> wrote:
> > Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:4451c74f-d203-4e4a-b68d-=
> e1dfa4...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> > >> ten yards tall isn't really all that much
> > >> of a mountain. I've got cacti in my
> > >> yard a fair bit taller.
> >
> > >> -- cary
> >
> >
> > > True Cary. But, it's pretty big for an intelligent being. You know,
> > > "A mountain of a man" wouldn't be 10,000 feet tall. Presenting Satan
> > > as a "mountain" 30 feet high is fairly consistent with the concept of
> > > angels as giants and sons of God in the Bible. Thanks for your
> > > interest, though.
> >
> > > JK
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
More like the late Jimmy Rushing.
-- cary
Jerry Kraus
> Well, there's blue sulpher[sic]. As a chemist, I'm aware
> of red sulphur and black sulphur and, of course, yellow
> sulphur. But blue?
Well, flames burn blue, and sulpher is highly inflammable. It could
be seen as a conjunction of related images. Also, counter-factual
imagery is a staple of creative literature, in general. You see, I'm
doing creative work here, so our normal rules of reality don't apply.
That's the advantage of creativity in the arts and religion. It makes
you think in new ways. Hopefully, anyway. Also, its danger, as I'm
pointing out in this poem, in terms of "Man as God" being a powerful,
counter-intuitive concept in Christianity that can have both good and
bad implications.
Amanda Reid
Trouble is that an "angel" (Gr. /aggelos/) is a "word-herd" (f. /agge/
+ /logos/), i.e., a "message."
Amanda Reid
Well, he would be if he actually had a language.
As it is, he's only making monkeymuck of something somebody else
wrote.
So consider that Jeremiah has a lot fewer words than /Hamlet/, then
ask yourself if you're still worried.
Amanda Reid
As it also was if it was the far-more-likely critty-litter.
(Watch out for the lumps; some of them may still be wet.)
last_per...@yahoo.com
> <flav...@verizon.net> wrote in messagenews:ttWck.1139$bn3.616@trnddc07...
>
> > On 8-Jul-2008, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
>
> >> In article <N4WdnSXnXP-Hh-nVnZ2dnUVZ_sHin...@giganews.com> "B. H. Cramer"
> >> <Iyam...@alltimes.yep> writes:
>
> >> > <flav...@verizon.net> wrote in message
> >> >news:OQTck.849$Ae3.654@trnddc05...> >> > >> <3fd82140-4eb6-42e2-9674-375fea4f4...@d77g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>
> >> > >> explain_...@yahoo.com writes:
>
> >> > > [snip bigotry]
>
> >> > >> Well, if that was lit-crit, it was properly opaque.
>
> >> > > No, it was missionizing - the *writer* was opaque.
>
> >> > No it wasn't and you're as thick as pig shit.
>
> >> Not a farm boy, are you?
>
> > Nor an honest, decent normal human being, neither.
> > HIs posts are iron-clas proof of it.
>
> Nope.
>
> You're insane, cohen, as your every post proves.
And ugly too. As her photo proves.:)
National Geographic even rejected her app.
Jerry Kraus
> Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> wrote innews:4451c74f-d203-4e4a...@59g2000hsb.googlegroups.com:
>
> - Show quoted text -
> >> Not to be overly pedantic here, but a mountain
> >> ten yards tall isn't really all that much
> >> of a mountain. I've got cacti in my
> >> yard a fair bit taller.
>
> >> -- cary
>
> <snip>
>
> > True Cary. But, it's pretty big for an intelligent being. You know,
> > "A mountain of a man" wouldn't be 10,000 feet tall. Presenting Satan
> > as a "mountain" 30 feet high is fairly consistent with the concept of
> > angels as giants and sons of God in the Bible. Thanks for your
> > interest, though.
>
> > JK
>
> Beelzebub is 30 feet tall and 24 wide? Bit of a lardass, isn't he? ;-)
>
Kind of a super-sized Jabba the Hut. Works for me.
JK
Jerry Kraus
I see I've gotten your attention.
Cary Kittrell
> On Jul 8, 8:40=A0am, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
> > In article <4873526F.84E7D...@netvigator.com> alaspect...@netvigator.com =
> writes:
>
>
> > Well, there's blue sulpher[sic]. As a chemist, I'm aware
> > of red sulphur and black sulphur and, of course, yellow
> > sulphur. But blue?
>
> Well, flames burn blue, and sulpher is highly inflammable. It could
> be seen as a conjunction of related images. Also, counter-factual
> imagery is a staple of creative literature, in general. You see, I'm
> doing creative work here, so our normal rules of reality don't apply.
Yeah, yeah, yeah -- I'm just being pedantic here, purely for
the fun of it.
-- cary
> That's the advantage of creativity in the arts and religion. It makes
> you think in new ways. Hopefully, anyway. Also, its danger, as I'm
> pointing out in this poem, in terms of "Man as God" being a powerful,
> counter-intuitive concept in Christianity that can have both good and
> bad implications.
Well, the "God as Man" bit certainly led to loads of trouble...
-- cary
Brian E. Clark
nVnZ2dnUV...@giganews.com>, B. H. Cramer said...
> > No, it was missionizing - the *writer* was opaque.
>
> No it wasn't and you're as thick as pig shit.
"THICK as pig shit"?
You're sharp as a tennis ball, Cramer.
--
-----------
Brian E. Clark
Cary Kittrell
You know, that's a more plausible way of looking at it. I
think you're right.
> (Watch out for the lumps; some of them may still be wet.)
>
And mind the toxoplasmosis, hear? _Toxoplasma antisemitii_
is for all practical purposes incurable.
-- cary
Amanda Reid
> In article <VMqdnaDDfr8wq-nVnZ2dnUVZ_g6dn...@giganews.com> "B. H. Cramer" <Iyam...@alltimes.yep> writes:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Cary Kittrell" <c...@afone.as.arizona.edu> wrote in message
> >news:g515u2$mns$1...@onion.ccit.arizona.edu...
> > > In article <N4WdnSXnXP-Hh-nVnZ2dnUVZ_sHin...@giganews.com> "B. H. Cramer"
> > > <Iyam...@alltimes.yep> writes:
>
> > >> <flav...@verizon.net> wrote in messagenews:OQTck.849$Ae3.654@trnddc05...
>
> > >> >> explain_...@yahoo.com writes:
>
> > >> > [snip bigotry]
>
> > >> >> Well, if that was lit-crit, it was properly opaque.
>
> > >> > No, it was missionizing - the *writer* was opaque.
>
> > >> No it wasn't and you're as thick as pig shit.
>
> > > Not a farm boy, are you?
>
> > Certainly not. Don't need to be a farm boy to know this cohen clown is
> > insane and as thick as pig shit.
>
> Hmmm...is he also as heavy as helium?
>
> -- cary
Helium is proud to accept (anything but pig shit).
Amanda Reid
> In article <76635097-dccf-4ff7-8714-fa871df57...@y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com> Amanda Reid
SeZ rec.arts./poems/ right in front of you.
(P.S.: You misspelled "certified." Or "certifiable"...)
The "poem" heading this thread got poasted into rap from one of the
others, or they into the thread for the flame bait (happens routinely,
esp. if both the poetry and the theology are as bad as this).
Some months ago, I had a go-round with a couple calling each other
"cohens," as here; may even have been one of these.
Been on rap 12 years or some such; we have some sort of go-round
with alt.atheism maybe once-twice a year, for which you can usually
blame "Orson Wells as Citizen Cain" or maybe "Peter J. Ross."
>
> > And a "guardian angel" is a /small/ set of words (cf. "in a pig's
> > ass," "I'll be a monkey's uncle," "don't shoot your mouth off," etc.)
> > that'll keep your ass in one piece if /you/ pay attention to /it/.
> > You may brag that you made guardian angels "fly in one ear and out
> > the other," but we see that you /have/ heard those phrases before,
> > meaning that they flew in and /sat/ all these years, doing their jobs
> > (you didn't).
> > Which leads immediately to the next question, "How many angels /can/
> > sit on a pinhead?" We see right in this sequence of posts yet one
> > more angel somebody sent you -- and you dismissed.
>
> > And the "devil" (Gr. /diabolos/, "that which throws opposite," L. /
> > adversus/, "that which speaks opposite") is in Mod.Am. "that which
> > shoots /back/," e.g., myself.
> > When I'm not being "The Holy Ghost" (Mod.Am. "amateur"), that is.
> > Q.v.
>
> > N.B.: If you want a mountain of words thirty feet high, you hafta get
> > Permission from Dockery, whose shit-piles routinely run rather higher
> > than that.
> > I'm sure he'll grant Permission; he's looking for followers again.
>
> Nota even more Bene: you've made my entire morning.
~\__ :-D
>
> -- cary
Cary Kittrell
Not surprised, as Helium is a very Noble Gas.
-- cary
fla...@verizon.net
The procine excrement cranium was referring to me, not a man.
Tho' doubtless that will be his next lie...
Susan
Amanda Reid
Just the sort of thing found on poetry groups.
Jerry Kraus
>
> - Show quoted text -
You know, I've noticed that. Antisemitism does seem to be largely
incurable, at least in individuals. Although, the Germans have
certainly improved, as a nation. Mind you, whether they were really
antisemitic or simply insane under the Third Reich is an interesting
question. Most of the Nazis were suicidal.
Cary Kittrell
> On Jul 9, 2:03=A0pm, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
> > In article <ccc5770d-57f2-4b6f-894a-618c92830...@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups=
> .com> Amanda Reid <scrawlm...@arvig.net> writes:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 8, 12:19 pm, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
> oups.com> explain_...@yahoo.com writes:
> >
> > > > > 1]Dear Israelis,
> > > > > Biblically speaking, Jeremiah 3:18 prophesied that the [split]house=
> of
> > > > > Judah would walk with the [split] house of Israel to form the natio=
> n
> > > > > of Israel.
> > > > > The house of Judah consisted of 2 tribes namely Judah and Benjamin =
> to
> > > > > form kingdom of Judah ; and the house of Israel the rest of the 12
> > > > > tribes forming the kingdom of Israel[not the Nation of Israel].
> ws
> > > > > back to Zion to form to the state of Israel:
> ept
> > > > > Mohammed-the lying prophet- of God after ww2 He gathered the Jews f=
> rom
> > > > > Europe to form the state of Israel.
> > > > > Consequently, even the billions of Muslims going against Israel,
> > > > > Israel survives all attacks because GOD shield Israel. AS SUCH,
> > > > > ISRAEL HAS A DEFENCE THAT NO MUSLIM WILL BE ABLE TO BREAK THROUGH.
> >
> > > > > 2] How Jews are defined:
> > > > > refusing to acknowlge the New Covenant[revealed in Jeremiah 31:3`-3=
> 4],
> > > > > which was instituted by the shedding of the blood of =A0a lamb name=
> d
> > > > > Jesus-the Son of God- who was sent by God[HaShem] to teach the
> > > > > Israelites the New Covenant[Matthew 26:28] renewing the Old for
> > > > > redemption of souls just like the shedding of a sacrificial lamb of
> ews
> > > > > were punished in WW2.
> >
> > > > > 3]Jeremiah Chapter 3 & 6 prophesied the punishment and gathering of
> hed
> > > > > [Jer 6:29-30] FOR FAILING TO OBEY THE NEW COVENANT[Jer 31:31-34]
> > > > > GREATLY to the extent that only ONE TAKEN FROM A CITY AND 2 FROM A
> ]
> > > > > to the land[Zion]-Jer 3:14]-which God had given to the Israelites [=
> Jer
> > > > > 3:18]- to form the Nation of Israel after WW2. Germany was used by =
> God
> > > > > to punish the Jews[Jer 6:21-24].
> >
> > > > > 4]Descendants of Jacob[Israel] are NOW Israelites:
> > > > > The Jews from the fallen kingdom of Judah were called Jews as they
> > > > > were scattered around. The word "Jews" denote[D] the people of the
> > > > > kingdom of Jedah.
> re also
> > > > > called Jews ERRONEOUSLY as they were scattered around.
> m
> > > > > of Israel were wrongly called as Jews by others.
> > > > > God bless Israel
> > > > > AMEN IN CHRIST JESUS
> >
> > > > Well, if that was lit-crit, it was properly opaque.
> >
> > > > -- cary
> >
> > > As it also was if it was the far-more-likely critty-litter.
> >
> > You know, that's a more plausible way of looking at it. I
> > think you're right.
> >
> >
> > And mind the toxoplasmosis, hear? =A0_Toxoplasma antisemitii_
> > is for all practical purposes incurable.
> >
> > -- cary- Hide quoted text -
> >
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> You know, I've noticed that. Antisemitism does seem to be largely
> incurable, at least in individuals. Although, the Germans have
> certainly improved, as a nation. Mind you, whether they were really
> antisemitic or simply insane under the Third Reich is an interesting
> question. Most of the Nazis were suicidal.
>
Antisemitic. Martin Luther, who had considerable influence
on German culture, was rabidly antisemitic -- and Luther
was only building on an aspect of the culture that long
preceded him.
-- cary
Quotes from Martin Luther:
"If I had to baptise a Jew, I would take him to the bridge of
the Elbe, hang a stone around his neck and push him over with
the words 'I baptise thee in the name of Abraham'."
but then eject them forever from this country. For, as we have heard,
God's anger with them is so intense that gentle mercy will only tend to
make them worse and worse, while sharp mercy will reform them but
little. Therefore, in any case, away with them!
In brief, dear princes and lords, those of you who have Jews under your
rule-- if my counsel does not please your, find better advice, so that
you and we all can be rid of the unbearable, devilish burden of the
Jews, lest we become guilty sharers before God in the lies, blasphemy,
the defamation, and the curses which the mad Jews indulge in so freely
and wantonly against the person of our Lord Jesus Christ, this dear
mother, all Christians, all authority, and ourselves. Do not grant them
protection, safe-conduct, or communion with us. . . . With this
faithful counsel and warning I wish to cleanse and exonerate my
conscience.
Accordingly, it must and dare not be considered a trifling matter but a
most serious one to seek counsel against this and to save our souls
from the Jews, that is, from the devil and from eternal death. My
advice, as I said earlier, is:
First, that their synagogues be burned down, and that all who are
able toss sulphur and pitch; it would be good if someone could also
throw in some hellfire...
Second, that all their books-- their prayer books, their Talmudic
writings, also the entire Bible-- be taken from them, not leaving
them one leaf, and that these be preserved for those who may be
converted...
Third, that they be forbidden on pain of death to praise God, to give
thanks, to pray, and to teach publicly among us and in our
country...
Fourth, that they be forbidden to utter the name of God within our
hearing. For we cannot with a good conscience listen to this or
tolerate it...
If we wish to wash our hands of the Jews' blasphemy and not share in
their guilt, we have to part company with them. They must be driven
from our country.
They [rulers] must act like a good physician who, when gangrene has set
in proceeds without mercy to cut, saw, and burn flesh, veins, bone, and
marrow. Such a procedure must also be followed in this instance. Burn
down their synagogues, forbid all that I enumerated earlier, force them
to work, and deal harshly with them, as Moses did...
If this does not help we must drive them out like mad dogs.
The Third Reich made every effort to fulfill Martin Luther's vision
Rob
<6b1b8736-67c4-4520...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Jerry Kraus <jkrau...@yahoo.com> writes
You had no idea what a fathom was.
Or how to spell sulphur.
Or its colour.
Or the fact that it is NOT "highly inflammable".
All non facts can be forgiven (and remedied with editorial improvements)
in a half-way decent poem.
Please do come back if you ever write one.
Rob
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Amanda Reid
The suicidal insanity of Reich Socialism goes back to Bismarck and the
Unification of Germany (which nutcrackered my own forebears, Catholic
and Lutheran, not Jewish).
The Germanies seem at some study to have been routinely /more/
receptive to Jewish ways, means, and arts than other countries (esp.
England, cf. /Ivanhoe/, etc., and Spain, cf. the Inquisition) until
Hitler got that wild hair up his pseudo-Aryan ass (turns out he didn't
even know what an Aryan was) over the collapse of the thoroughly-
Socialist Weimar Mark.
But everybody's got the Socialism insanity, and Germany's can be
traced to Charlemagne at Aachen, if you care to, but it's a thing so
general as to be specifically meaningless at that reach.
And Charlemagnic paranoia can be fully excused in its having (for
some five centuries) to patrol the marches against the Huns (Vandals)
and Moors (Spain) with only the French for backup.
The same Charlemanic paranoia is being fuelled (by the same Gestapo,
"Gehome Landt Securitei") to watch the Wrong Hand right now, and not
only in the U.S.
Jerry Kraus
> In message
> <6b1b8736-67c4-4520-b6c5-477b66332...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> writes
>
> - Show quoted text -
Gee, are you saying you're going to cut my salary?
How traumatic. What shall I do?
By the way, I know that a fathom is six feet.
And, sulpher is a very common alternate spelling of sulphur, that fits
the rhyme a bit better. Also, sulpher/sulphur is known as brimstone,
which means "burning stone". It is highly inflammable.
However, if you really hated my poem as much as you say, this gives me
some pleasure. Always nice to have an impact.
Cary Kittrell
Sheesh! "poems"? Don't nobody know how to spell "pomes"
any more? Whatever DO they teach you kids in school nowadays?
> (P.S.: You misspelled "certified." Or "certifiable"...)
Oops! Right you are.
> The "poem" heading this thread got poasted into rap from one of the
> others, or they into the thread for the flame bait (happens routinely,
> esp. if both the poetry and the theology are as bad as this).
> Some months ago, I had a go-round with a couple calling each other
> "cohens," as here; may even have been one of these.
> Been on rap 12 years or some such; we have some sort of go-round
> with alt.atheism maybe once-twice a year, for which you can usually
> blame "Orson Wells as Citizen Cain" or maybe "Peter J. Ross."
Whoa! Trolling rec.arts.poems from alt.atheism! <WHAP!> Why didn't *I*
think of that?
Lessee here, how would we go about that?...I got it! We go with a few
rumors about how Richard Wilbur tried six times to hire on at Hallmark, but
couldn't make the cut! And how Hallmark is REAL poetry, cuz it's sooo
accessible, and what's wrong with that, I ask you. And then a post as to
how that hack "Wystan" <snort!> Auden wasn't a tenth the poet Ogden Nash
was! And...and...
No. See, that's the problem. That won't work, because poetry's not popular
enough in this culture for us to have some famous Really Bad Poets to make
fun of. Where's our Thomas Kinkaid of poetry? The Celine Dionne of verse?
Where are our Poets Illaureate? GET TO WORK, PEOPLE!
Well then, how about I try to get a rise by claiming that the only
Authentic American Poets are guys like Sherman Alexie, because they're the
only Authentic Americans? Yes? No?
Geez, this is a whole lot harder than it looks.
-- cary
p.s: "Citizen Cain"? Is that clever and funny, or ignorant and
even funnier?
Cary Kittrell
> On Jul 10, 10:34=A0am, Rob <r...@mla001.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > In message
> > <6b1b8736-67c4-4520-b6c5-477b66332...@k37g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
> > Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> writes
> >
> >
> >
> > >On Jul 8, 8:40=A0am, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
> > >> In article <4873526F.84E7D...@netvigator.com>
> > >>alaspect...@netvigator.com writes:
> >
> > >> of red sulphur and black sulphur and, of course, yellow
> >
> > >Well, flames burn blue, and sulpher is highly inflammable. =A0 It could
> > >be seen as a conjunction of related images. =A0 Also, counter-factual
> > >imagery is a staple of creative literature, in general. =A0You see, I'm
> > >doing creative work here, so our normal rules of reality don't apply.
> > >you think in new ways. =A0Hopefully, anyway. =A0Also, its danger, as I'm
> > >pointing out in this poem, in terms of "Man as God" being a powerful,
> > >counter-intuitive concept in Christianity that can have both good and
> > >bad implications.
> >
> > Creative work is not for the ignorant and lazy.
> >
> > You had no idea what a fathom was.
> >
> > Or how to spell sulphur.
> >
> > Or its colour.
> >
> > Or the fact that it is NOT "highly inflammable".
> >
> > All non facts can be forgiven (and remedied with editorial improvements)
> > in a half-way decent poem.
> >
> > Please do come back if you ever write one.
> >
> > Rob
> >
> > --
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> >
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>
> Gee, are you saying you're going to cut my salary?
>
> How traumatic. What shall I do?
>
> By the way, I know that a fathom is six feet.
>
> And, sulpher is a very common alternate spelling of sulphur,
Um, no. "Sulfur" is the other common spelling; depends on
which side of the pond you're on. Like "aluminum" and
"aluminium". (or "tungsten" and "wolfram")
> that fits
> the rhyme a bit better. Also, sulpher/sulphur is known as brimstone,
> which means "burning stone". It is highly inflammable.
Acetone is highly inflammable. Dimethyl ether is highly
inflammible. Put a match to a pile of sulfur, and it
burns quietly.
I, on the other hand, totally screwed up with that red sulfur,
yellow sulfur, black sulfur business. I was thinking
red, white, and black phosphorus.
-- cary
Malik J.J. Jubilee
man should not be God, it's bad enough when man becomes demigod, or
even just man
Malik J.J. Jubilee
> Jesus in Hell
>
> The Mountain stood tall.
> Five fathoms high, four fathoms wide,
> The Mountain stood tall.
under the circumstances I'm certainly up for making a deal.
Jerry Kraus
wrote:
>
> - Show quoted text -
Excellent. I'm quite convinced that what the world really needs more
of these days is Satanists. Great to have you aboard!
Actually, I suspect Barack Obama may be a Satanist. In the closet, of
course, on this point. Might be somewhat more controversial than
merely being a Communist Muslim.
Michael Cook
> The Mountain Wide As Rain
>
> The mountain
> wide as rain
>
> The sigh
> subtle in pools
>
> Wisely consciousness gash
> Thundering and senseless job
> Questions a fume of doves
>
> Butter of laments
> mortal as a desert tear.
>
> � Copyright Skanky McJesus (2008)
heh
Rob
<1bfb2a3b-105c-4c73...@x41g2000hsb.googlegroups.com>,
Jerry Kraus <jkrau...@yahoo.com> writes
Don't be silly - salary implies employability.
>
>How traumatic. What shall I do?
Don't be very silly
>
>By the way, I know that a fathom is six feet.
Google was your (belated) friend?
>
>And, sulpher is a very common alternate spelling of sulphur, that fits
>the rhyme a bit better.
Common amongst the very, very silly and illiterates, maybe.
>
> Also, sulpher/sulphur is known as brimstone,
>which means "burning stone". It is highly inflammable.
Okay, be as silly as you want. Clearly, there's no discouraging you.
>
>However, if you really hated my poem as much as you say, this gives me
>some pleasure. Always nice to have an impact.
>
Your poem was poor and indifferent and certainly not worth hating but if
you got pleasure from such little application then clearly you'll find
doggerel a rewarding hobby.
Rob
--
Rob Evans
When I see a swine
I reach for 45-calibre pearls.
Amanda Reid
Sure, you do. And Mark Twain is twelve.
(It's the keel/paddle depth of a deep-draft steamboat. The ones
that made it across Lake Traverse going from Minneapolis to Winnepeg
&ret. -- see Thoreau, e.g. -- drew only two feet.)
>
> And, sulpher is a very common alternate spelling of sulphur, that fits
> the rhyme a bit better. Also, sulpher/sulphur is known as brimstone,
> which means "burning stone". It is highly inflammable.
Lat.sp. sulphur, En.alt. "sulfur," not "sulpher."
And pyrite, lit. "firestone," corr. "brimstone," is its principal
ore.
"Fool's gold," and I'd rather find "fool's gold" than gold in the
field. You use it to make fire "from scratch," i.e., by scratching it
with your sword.
The "flint" in your lighter, isn't; it's commercial pyrite. "Stolen
from the Gods" even worse than Prometheus did it.
Sulfur is so poorly flammable that it requires 75 parts nitrate to 10
parts sulfur to burn as gunpowder, and the sublimate ("flowers") can't
be made to burn even in that formula.
The threshold is so high that burning sulfur is ordinarily self-
extinguishing, though strange things happen when it is /added/ to a
burnable mixture.
Or, as in certain rocket fuels, used as an/the oxidizer rather than
as oxidant.
>
> However, if you really hated my poem as much as you say, this gives me
> some pleasure. Always nice to have an impact.
"Hate" is the only emotion you'd understand of the case, so you say
"hate."
He didn't.
The actual emotion is martial (one of competence, so there you are,
then), and is a kind of dead nothing that's perfectly able to
withstand its antithesis indefinitely without even working up a mild
heat, let alone a sweat.
Hate, like sulfur, requires a lot of heat input to keep burning, and
is ultimately only for oneself in the fact that it can't do anything
about the object of its hatred.
Eh?
No, you can't.
Nor can you understand the equally-martial compassion that keeps
trying to teach you not to hammer your thumb.
(Or the back of your head, in the case...)
Amanda Reid
> In article <cdbc0b53-3859-407c-9c1c-8da5f65c2...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Amanda Reid <scrawlm...@arvig.net> writes:
>
> > On Jul 9, 11:47 am, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
>
> > > <squints> Ain't seen you round these parts, stranger. This here's
> > > `alt.atheism', bout halfway tween Godless Gulch and Hedonism Holler.
> > > You in from onna them citified "po'try" groups?
>
> > SeZ rec.arts./poems/ right in front of you.
>
> Sheesh! "poems"? Don't nobody know how to spell "pomes"
> any more? Whatever DO they teach you kids in school nowadays?
>
> > (P.S.: You misspelled "certified." Or "certifiable"...)
>
> Oops! Right you are.
>
> > The "poem" heading this thread got poasted into rap from one of the
> > others, or they into the thread for the flame bait (happens routinely,
> > esp. if both the poetry and the theology are as bad as this).
> > Some months ago, I had a go-round with a couple calling each other
> > "cohens," as here; may even have been one of these.
> > Been on rap 12 years or some such; we have some sort of go-round
> > with alt.atheism maybe once-twice a year, for which you can usually
> > blame "Orson Wells as Citizen Cain" or maybe "Peter J. Ross."
>
> Whoa! Trolling rec.arts.poems from alt.atheism! <WHAP!>
Tongues of Fire springing from your forehead, right.
"Why," indeed.
> Why didn't *I*
> think of that?
>
> Lessee here, how would we go about that?...I got it! We go with a few
> rumors about how Richard Wilbur tried six times to hire on at Hallmark, but
> couldn't make the cut! And how Hallmark is REAL poetry, cuz it's sooo
> accessible, and what's wrong with that, I ask you. And then a post as to
> how that hack "Wystan" <snort!> Auden wasn't a tenth the poet Ogden Nash
> was! And...and...
Here's a bucket of treacle.
(Put your head in it three times, pull it out twice, and All Things
will be Revealed.)
>
> No. See, that's the problem. That won't work, because poetry's not popular
> enough in this culture for us to have some famous Really Bad Poets to make
> fun of. Where's our Thomas Kinkaid of poetry? The Celine Dionne of verse?
> Where are our Poets Illaureate? GET TO WORK, PEOPLE!
Actually, we have the Poet Laureate (fka "Advisor") to the Library of
Congress, cf. Billy Collins, Maya Angelou, etc., whose function is no
longer to write poultry, or to pretend to write poetry, nor even to
pretend that your baby can read poultry, but rather to pretend that
your baby can /write/ poultry.
By, of course, writing chicken shit.
But he's not the Celine Dion of poultry, not even the Edsel Ford.
He's the Ryan Seacrest, the Ruben Studdard, the Britney Spears of
American Id... ah, Poultry.
Eh? It's not Poultry?
They why does it win the Pullet Surprise?
Hunh?
Fui.
>
> Well then, how about I try to get a rise by claiming that the only
> Authentic American Poets are guys like Sherman Alexie, because they're the
> only Authentic Americans? Yes? No?
Naaah, I'm a Native American (i.e., I was born here).
As for my writing in English (one of the many Indigenous Tongues of
The Americas, not to mention there being more Native Speakers of
English here than in the rest of the world combined), English was good
enough for Jesus, so it's damwell good enough for you.
>
> Geez, this is a whole lot harder than it looks.
So there, too.
>
> -- cary
>
> p.s: "Citizen Cain"? Is that clever and funny, or ignorant and
> even funnier?
>
Since he pairs it with "Wells," it hasta be the "funny" thingy.
Jerry Kraus
So, you feel my work isn't quite up to the extremely high standards of
the rest of the contributions on these groups?
Hmmmmmm.
Why, do tell me why, I might just be the tiniest bit skeptical about
that?
Jerry Kraus
>
> - Show quoted text -
I'm not sure I enjoy quibbling quite as much as you do. But, each to
his own.
Enjoy your quibbles.
Personally, I prefer ideas.
Amanda Reid
>
> I, on the other hand, totally screwed up with that red sulfur,
> yellow sulfur, black sulfur business. I was thinking
> red, white, and black phosphorus.
Heh. I'd wondered.
Any /real/ American would have known it's "Red neck, white trash, and
blue-collar."
(And that "sulphur" is what you gots to do to fools.)
Christopher A. Lee
Is that like the joke about the stork, the crow and the swallow?
George Dance
Pretty good, for something you just tossed off. IOW, a pretty good
first draft.
A first draft isn't a poem. If you wish to turn it into a poem later,
I'd suggest working on the third strophe. For one thg, it's too wordy
and throws the whole thing out of balance; for another, it reads like
sporge with linebreaks. Cut it down to 6 or 7 words, so that it
provides a transition from the two 5ers to 8er of the last.
Lots of other places you can fiddle with the wording, but I'm sure you
can do all that better than I; you have years more experience. The
important thing is to tell you it isn't a good poem, but could be.
Amanda Reid
wrote:
Man cannot /avoid/ being God. Try it, it only makes it worse.
For those who aren't following another thread:
"God the Father" is everything from that Black Thing 'way over there
(at night) to that Black Thing (trick question, it's the same one, a
geometrical point) 'way over there. Be sure to include yourself at
and as the exact geometrical center of It All.
"God the Son" is that little part bounded by you (or me; no frame of
reference is to be preferred).
"God the Holy Ghost" (the "Trinity" one, not the N.T. one) is what
happens with G.T.S. "touches" G.T.F., i.e, the "touch," one of every
"voice" that cometh from the "mouth" of "God" on fifteen (not "five")
sensory channels, eight common instruments, and a couple heavies (cf.
Brookhaven, SLAC, CERN).
So, of the "three" "persons" "in" "God," you're already every dam' one
of 'em.
And you can either see to being 'em Brightly, Brightly, and With
Beauty, or you can be a squalling little pile a crap in a diaper for
all your life. It's a Free World (no, "God" "Said").
But don't expect Me to Like you.
'Specially if you come to r.a.p. drijbbling babyshit from both ends
of the tube and expect me to pretend it's a Pome.
(That's what wes gots a Poet Laureate for, dammit.)
George Dance
IMO, your line breaking is all wrong. This kind of Biblical language
needs long, Whitmanesque lines; using short lines it just sounds too,
too pretentious. (That applies to some of my own, as well as yours
here.) Try combining every 3 lines into 1, and see how that reads.
Amanda Reid
God hath returned.
(Thank you, God.)
Jerry Kraus
>
> - Show quoted text -
Perhaps. But shorter lines are more readable.
Amanda Reid
> Jerry Kraus <jkraus_1...@yahoo.com> writes
>
>
> >However, if you really hated my poem as much as you say, this gives me
> >some pleasure. Always nice to have an impact.
>
> Your poem was poor and indifferent and certainly not worth hating but if
> you got pleasure from such little application then clearly you'll find
> doggerel a rewarding hobby.
>
> Rob
Doggirl is /such/ a bitch...
Aratzio
Reid <scraw...@arvig.net> bloviated:
White Light, White Heat, White Trash.
Amanda Reid
>
> So, you feel my work isn't quite up to the extremely high standards of
> the rest of the contributions on these groups?
>
> Hmmmmmm.
>
> Why, do tell me why, I might just be the tiniest bit skeptical about
> that?
Because you think you can add zeros by counting them.
The only "vote" you get anent the arts is to put your money where
your mouth is.
And you ain't even payin' for the /candle/.
Amanda Reid
Odd. You don't seem to /have/ any...
Can't afford 'em?
Or just afraid of 'em?
Oh. Right. They'll cost you all your Special Powowers.
Amanda Reid
> On Fri, 11 Jul 2008 07:45:27 -0700 (PDT), Amanda Reid
>
> >On Jul 10, 11:30 am, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
>
> >> I, on the other hand, totally screwed up with that red sulfur,
> >> yellow sulfur, black sulfur business. I was thinking
> >> red, white, and black phosphorus.
>
> >Heh. I'd wondered.
>
> >Any /real/ American would have known it's "Red neck, white trash, and
> >blue-collar."
> > (And that "sulphur" is what you gots to do to fools.)
>
> Is that like the joke about the stork, the crow and the swallow?
Don't think so. I sulphur fools gladly.
('Cos then I gets to /light/ 'em.)
George Dance
True; but that's part of the point. You don't want the reader to zip
through this; making him slow down would meke him or her take it more
seriously, IMO.
Compare:
I have seen
the best minds
of my generation
destroyed by madness,
starving hysterical naked,
dragging themselves through
the negro streets
etc. etc. etc.
(Let me try to come up with a supporting reason. Umm....
I also think your rhymes would be more effective if hidden as internal
rhymes; the reader's going to hear them without noticing them, so
he's less likely to be critical of any of them.)
Jerry Kraus
>
> - Show quoted text -
Part of the problem is that this really such an abstract exercise.
After all, we're not going to make any money with poetry, almost by
definition. So, what really is the point of writing a poem? In this
particular case, I'm trying to make certain theological notions as
accessible as possible. So, the pure aesthetic types here are getting
all traumatized because it's all too "obvious", and not sufficiently
elegant. In this particular case, that was not my objective. Very
simple, really.
Dale Houstman
It got lonely out there in the infinite darkness...
dmh
Cary Kittrell
Not to be confused with (the indispensable) Joe Qeenan's
"Red Lobster, White Trash, & the Blue Lagoon: Joe Queenan's America"
(it's by Joe Queenan)
-- cary
Cary Kittrell
> In article <cdbc0b53-3859-407c-9c1c-8da5f65c2...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Amanda Reid <scrawlm...@arvig.net> writes:
>
> > On Jul 9, 11:47 am, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
>
> > > <squints> Ain't seen you round these parts, stranger. This here's
> > > `alt.atheism', bout halfway tween Godless Gulch and Hedonism Holler.
> > > You in from onna them citified "po'try" groups?
>
> > SeZ rec.arts./poems/ right in front of you.
>
> Sheesh! "poems"? Don't nobody know how to spell "pomes"
> any more? Whatever DO they teach you kids in school nowadays?
>
> > (P.S.: You misspelled "certified." Or "certifiable"...)
>
> Oops! Right you are.
>
> > The "poem" heading this thread got poasted into rap from one of the
> > others, or they into the thread for the flame bait (happens routinely,
> > esp. if both the poetry and the theology are as bad as this).
> > Some months ago, I had a go-round with a couple calling each other
> > "cohens," as here; may even have been one of these.
> > Been on rap 12 years or some such; we have some sort of go-round
> > with alt.atheism maybe once-twice a year, for which you can usually
> > blame "Orson Wells as Citizen Cain" or maybe "Peter J. Ross."
>
> Whoa! Trolling rec.arts.poems from alt.atheism! <WHAP!>
> Tongues of Fire springing from your forehead, right.
No, it was some chick. Strangest thing. Had a spear too,
and was babbling in some strange language. Demonic Greek, like.
You think Caesarians are painful, try Cephalians.
> "Why," indeed.
>
> > Why didn't *I*
> > think of that?
> >
> > Lessee here, how would we go about that?...I got it! We go with a few
> > rumors about how Richard Wilbur tried six times to hire on at Hallmark, but
> > couldn't make the cut! And how Hallmark is REAL poetry, cuz it's sooo
> > accessible, and what's wrong with that, I ask you. And then a post as to
> > how that hack "Wystan" <snort!> Auden wasn't a tenth the poet Ogden Nash
> > was! And...and...
>
> Here's a bucket of treacle.
> (Put your head in it three times, pull it out twice, and All Things
> will be Revealed.)
"Treacle"? What are you, some kind of Limey? Listen here, pal,
if it weren't for us here in the good old US of A, you'd be
speaking English today.
And if it weren't for Saint Ronnie Reagan, we'd ALL be speaking
Grenadan.
>
> > No. See, that's the problem. That won't work, because poetry's not popular
> > enough in this culture for us to have some famous Really Bad Poets to make
> > fun of. Where's our Thomas Kinkaid of poetry? The Celine Dionne of verse?
> > Where are our Poets Illaureate? GET TO WORK, PEOPLE!
>
>
> Actually, we have the Poet Laureate (fka "Advisor") to the Library of
> Congress, cf. Billy Collins, Maya Angelou, etc., whose function is no
> longer to write poultry, or to pretend to write poetry, nor even to
> pretend that your baby can read poultry, but rather to pretend that
> your baby can /write/ poultry.
> By, of course, writing chicken shit.
> But he's not the Celine Dion of poultry, not even the Edsel Ford.
> He's the Ryan Seacrest, the Ruben Studdard, the Britney Spears of
> American Id... ah, Poultry.
Hey, I kinda like ol' Billy. (why do this feel like Eliot's confession
about Kipling?) It's like eating peanuts. Or pretzels. The
earlier stuff: pretzels, definitely pretzels. The later
work is more peanutty. There've been Master's theses
on this very distinction, you know. Inkwells have been thrown.
> Eh? It's not Poultry?
> They why does it win the Pullet Surprise?
> Hunh?
> Fui.
Okay, I know that ditty about surprised cows isn't "For the
Time Being" or what have you, be can't spend all our
time trying to wade through "Ulysses' Wake". People
would point and giggle.
> >
> > Well then, how about I try to get a rise by claiming that the only
> > Authentic American Poets are guys like Sherman Alexie, because they're the
> > only Authentic Americans? Yes? No?
>
>
> Naaah, I'm a Native American (i.e., I was born here).
> As for my writing in English (one of the many Indigenous Tongues of
> The Americas, not to mention there being more Native Speakers of
> English here than in the rest of the world combined), English was good
> enough for Jesus, so it's damwell good enough for you.
Yeah, but He spoke Elizabethan American. Try to find
a rhyme for "quoth". Or one for "verily" that doesn't
sound frivolous.
These things are, like, deep.
Amanda Reid
So he came back to the weeping and gnashing of teeth?
(Hmmm. It /is/ more entertaining, now you mention it...)
Dale Houstman
If they hang your son from a tree, play pin the tail on the messiah...
One has to make dew...
dmh
Amanda Reid
> On Jul 10, 11:21 am, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
>
>
>
> > In article <cdbc0b53-3859-407c-9c1c-8da5f65c2...@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com> Amanda Reid <scrawlm...@arvig.net> writes:
>
> > > On Jul 9, 11:47 am, c...@afone.as.arizona.edu (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
>
> > > > <squints> Ain't seen you round these parts, stranger. This here's
> > > > `alt.atheism', bout halfway tween Godless Gulch and Hedonism Holler.
> > > > You in from onna them citified "po'try" groups?
>
> > > SeZ rec.arts./poems/ right in front of you.
>
> > Sheesh! "poems"? Don't nobody know how to spell "pomes"
> > any more? Whatever DO they teach you kids in school nowadays?
>
> > > (P.S.: You misspelled "certified." Or "certifiable"...)
>
> > Oops! Right you are.
>
> > > The "poem" heading this thread got poasted into rap from one of the
> > > others, or they into the thread for the flame bait (happens routinely,
> > > esp. if both the poetry and the theology are as bad as this).
> > > Some months ago, I had a go-round with a couple calling each other
> > > "cohens," as here; may even have been one of these.
> > > Been on rap 12 years or some such; we have some sort of go-round
> > > with alt.atheism maybe once-twice a year, for which you can usually
> > > blame "Orson Wells as Citizen Cain" or maybe "Peter J. Ross."
>
> > Whoa! Trolling rec.arts.poems from alt.atheism! <WHAP!>
> > Tongues of Fire springing from your forehead, right.
>
> No, it was some chick. Strangest thing. Had a spear too,
> and was babbling in some strange language. Demonic Greek, like.
While "Oyotoho-OH!" is said to be Demotic German, it's really just
"singling syllables" like "fa-la-la-la-la."
It isn't always easy to come up with lyrics (this thread is proof
enough of that) whether it's Wagner's Opera or Waggoner's Opry.
What worries me is your report that this whole thread might now be
over.
(Hey, the Fat Lady /sang/, right?)
>
> You think Caesarians are painful, try Cephalians.
I dunno. Zeus did it to produce Athene.
Besides, any PO-wet worth his ink knows that Muses are /always/ a
giant pain to get out of the head and onto the paper. Like other
births, we do it merely because it's a far worse pain to leave 'em in.
What you gotta watch out for in poultry is them as claim they poured
it out directly from the Heart, where it just splashed all over the
paper like Aliens.
>
> > "Why," indeed.
>
> > > Why didn't *I*
> > > think of that?
>
> > > Lessee here, how would we go about that?...I got it! We go with a few
> > > rumors about how Richard Wilbur tried six times to hire on at Hallmark, but
> > > couldn't make the cut! And how Hallmark is REAL poetry, cuz it's sooo
> > > accessible, and what's wrong with that, I ask you. And then a post as to
> > > how that hack "Wystan" <snort!> Auden wasn't a tenth the poet Ogden Nash
> > > was! And...and...
>
> > Here's a bucket of treacle.
> > (Put your head in it three times, pull it out twice, and All Things
> > will be Revealed.)
>
> "Treacle"? What are you, some kind of Limey? Listen here, pal,
> if it weren't for us here in the good old US of A, you'd be
> speaking English today.
She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah,
She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah,
She loves you, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
There, see? ENGLISH POETRY
Cf.:
She was a truck-stop wummin
Sittin' in the truck stop
Eatin' pancakes with her tongue
She looked at me
With her tongue
An' et a nother pancake.
She washed it down with coffee.
I can't have her
Because we lost the war
With Columbia.
How the FUCK can that compare with the Purity of the English lyrics
above?
Hunh?
>
> And if it weren't for Saint Ronnie Reagan, we'd ALL be speaking
> Grenadan.
>
I don't worry about Grenadians.
(I just pull the pins and throw 'em back.)
Hey, I did. (People pointed and giggled.)
http://scrawlmark.org/joyce.html
>
> > > Well then, how about I try to get a rise by claiming that the only
> > > Authentic American Poets are guys like Sherman Alexie, because they're the
> > > only Authentic Americans? Yes? No?
>
> > Naaah, I'm a Native American (i.e., I was born here).
> > As for my writing in English (one of the many Indigenous Tongues of
> > The Americas, not to mention there being more Native Speakers of
> > English here than in the rest of the world combined), English was good
> > enough for Jesus, so it's damwell good enough for you.
>
> Yeah, but He spoke Elizabethan American. Try to find
> a rhyme for "quoth".
"Both." In Georgian, (see below), "Lazarus, come fo'th." " Loath."
"Steroid..." ah, "growth." Etc.
> Or one for "verily" that doesn't
> sound frivolous.
"Merrily, scarily, Gary Lee, farily." (The last is valid only in
frivolous San Francisco.)
>
> These things are, like, deep.
>
So's the treacle, if you don't watch out (you think the /gobbilins/ is
bad...)
But not really. Georgians (the U.S. South, not the Russian one)
speak a remnant dialect of Elizabethan American. Cf. any of Dockery's
"videos": it's a dialect in which all words rhyme with all other
words.
(Why his "verses" are so incredibly easy (for him) to "write.")
There was an old Georgian who, verily,
Performed his "performance" so hairily,
His audience (both)
Couldn't tell what he quoth,
For they drank up their Dickle most merrily.
(This even has something of the flavor of a remnant Elizabethan
madrigal.)
(Besides the hint of stale bar vomit, I mean.)
Fred Oinka
Nice try, but you are NOT getting your soul back.
A deal's a deal.
Yours trully,
Satan
Dennis M. Hammes
I thot that was called Pin the Stick on the Pinata.
--
-------(m+
~/:o)_|
Illiteracy and stupidity fight to the death every day.
Trouble is, they breed first.
http://scrawlmark.org
Dale Houstman
Dennis M. Hammes wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> God hath returned.
>>>>> (Thank you, God.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It got lonely out there in the infinite darkness...
>>>>
>>>> dmh
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> So he came back to the weeping and gnashing of teeth?
>>> (Hmmm. It /is/ more entertaining, now you mention it...)
>>>
>>
>> If they hang your son from a tree, play pin the tail on the messiah...
>>
>> One has to make dew...
>>
>> dmh
>>
>
> I thot that was called Pin the Stick on the Pinata.
>
Pin the Crucifixion on the Jews...
dmh
DanielSan
...whom, if you think about the story, were doing the Lord's work.
After all, if Jesus wasn't crucified, how could he "die for our sins"?
--
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* DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226 *
*----------------------------------------------------*
* "I distrust those people who know so well what God *
* wants them to do because I notice it always *
* coincides with their own desires." *
* --Susan B. Anthony *
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Enkidu
news:I5adnUp_g4B2q-fV...@speakeasy.net:
>> Pin the Crucifixion on the Jews...
>
> ...whom, if you think about the story, were doing the Lord's work.
> After all, if Jesus wasn't crucified, how could he "die for our sins"?
>
And Judas is the true hero of the story.
--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA
If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier -- so
long as I'm the dictator.
--George W. Bush, Dec. 19, 2000
Jerry Kraus
> DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote innews:I5adnUp_g4B2q-fV...@speakeasy.net:
Judas is an extremely controversial figure. His exact role and
significance in Christian theology is under constant debate.
Is Judas a villain or a victim? Or, is he a hero? Or, all three? Is
Judas the first Christian martyr?
TheZ
obviously too powerful for them.
Had they released his writings, or included them in the NT the church may
not have survived.
Like many of the writings of that time, that the church hid or destroyed
because they were obviously anti church doctrine. I would say Judas was the
churches scapegoat, and a victim for Christianity.
"Jerry Kraus" <jkrau...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:0d947a3d-6c1d-4ab6...@56g2000hsm.googlegroups.com...
Dale Houstman
DanielSan wrote:
> Dale Houstman wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Dennis M. Hammes wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> God hath returned.
>>>>>>> (Thank you, God.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It got lonely out there in the infinite darkness...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> dmh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So he came back to the weeping and gnashing of teeth?
>>>>> (Hmmm. It /is/ more entertaining, now you mention it...)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If they hang your son from a tree, play pin the tail on the messiah...
>>>>
>>>> One has to make dew...
>>>>
>>>> dmh
>>>>
>>>
>>> I thot that was called Pin the Stick on the Pinata.
>>>
>>
>> Pin the Crucifixion on the Jews...
>
>
> ...whom, if you think about the story, were doing the Lord's work. After
> all, if Jesus wasn't crucified, how could he "die for our sins"?
>
This is just one reading of the little fairytale. Like most such tales,
interpetation is half the fun...
dmh
Dale Houstman
Enkidu wrote:
> DanielSan <dani...@speakeasy.net> wrote in
> news:I5adnUp_g4B2q-fV...@speakeasy.net:
>
>
>>>Pin the Crucifixion on the Jews...
>>
>>...whom, if you think about the story, were doing the Lord's work.
>>After all, if Jesus wasn't crucified, how could he "die for our sins"?
>>
>
>
> And Judas is the true hero of the story.
>
Again, this is just one (alternative) reading of the little Biblical myth.
dmh
Dennis M. Hammes
Oh, come on.
That's as silly as trying to pin the Holocaust on the Gestapo.
Dennis M. Hammes
> Dale Houstman wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Dennis M. Hammes wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> God hath returned.
>>>>>>> (Thank you, God.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It got lonely out there in the infinite darkness...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> dmh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So he came back to the weeping and gnashing of teeth?
>>>>> (Hmmm. It /is/ more entertaining, now you mention it...)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If they hang your son from a tree, play pin the tail on the messiah...
>>>>
>>>> One has to make dew...
>>>>
>>>> dmh
>>>>
>>>
>>> I thot that was called Pin the Stick on the Pinata.
>>>
>>
>> Pin the Crucifixion on the Jews...
>
>
> ...whom, if you think about the story, were doing the Lord's work. After
> all, if Jesus wasn't crucified, how could he "die for our sins"?
>
Worse, how could He forgive you your Debts?
More importantly, since Gresham's Law is about to go the way of
the Continental, the Confederate, and the Weimar Mark, what's He
going to forgive them /with/?
We're gonna hafta
Bomb, bomb, bomb,
Bomb, bomb Iran!
Bomb, bomb, bomb,
Bomb, bomb Iran!
Lockin' an' a-loadin',
Shockin' an' a-reelin',
Bomb Iran!
Hey, nobody seD the Lord's Work was /easy/, you know.
Leonidas sent (led) Sparta's best.
Charlemagne sent (led) Germany's best.
Charles Martel sent (led) France's best.
Richard Corleone sent (led) England's best.
The Cid sent (led) Spain's best.
George W. Bush sent... ah, well, America's best are defending
Grenada, aren't they.
Dennis M. Hammes
> DanielSan <dani...@speakeasy.net> wrote in
> news:I5adnUp_g4B2q-fV...@speakeasy.net:
>
>
>>>Pin the Crucifixion on the Jews...
>>
>>...whom, if you think about the story, were doing the Lord's work.
>>After all, if Jesus wasn't crucified, how could he "die for our sins"?
>>
>
>
> And Judas is the true hero of the story.
>
Naaah, the real hero of the story is the Jewish Banker with the
Thirty Pieces of Silver.
(Wars take /money/ before you can even /dream/ about 'em.)
Dale Houstman
Dennis M. Hammes wrote:
> Dale Houstman wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> Dennis M. Hammes wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> God hath returned.
>>>>>>> (Thank you, God.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It got lonely out there in the infinite darkness...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> dmh
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> So he came back to the weeping and gnashing of teeth?
>>>>> (Hmmm. It /is/ more entertaining, now you mention it...)
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> If they hang your son from a tree, play pin the tail on the messiah...
>>>>
>>>> One has to make dew...
>>>>
>>>> dmh
>>>>
>>>
>>> I thot that was called Pin the Stick on the Pinata.
>>>
>>
>> Pin the Crucifixion on the Jews...
>>
>> dmh
>>
>
> Oh, come on.
> That's as silly as trying to pin the Holocaust on the Gestapo.
>
You got the Donkey, I got a tale...
dmh
Jerry Kraus
> Enkidu wrote:
> > DanielSan <daniel...@speakeasy.net> wrote in
> Naaah, the real hero of the story is the Jewish Banker with the
> Thirty Pieces of Silver.
The Merchant of Jerusalem?
Dennis M. Hammes
Naaah, /he's/ only a French arms dealer.