@ ANY CHANCE FOR JESUS' COMING THIS YEAR ?

[OB...@aol.com]

The only answer to that question is the proper calculations based on
the Bible. God Yahweh has a time plan toward mankind and all things
take place by this plan .Attempts at finding out when this event might
occur is one of the most awesome tasks to do by a man .

This is a secret kept by God before mankind and can only be uncovered
by special relationship between God and an individual .And basically
only few people are allowed by God to do just that .
You can see in my posts how extensive job I had done using special
methods of calculations . It cannot be done with the best electronic
brains !
It can only be done with some special guidance on the part of God of
the Bible.

You can see I have a solid prediction year 2034 AD but this year 2012
AD seems to be also important and now the attention mainly should be
given to the date September 30.

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com

[OB...@aol.com]

--
Note from my calculations that this year 2012 AD is the best last year
for Jesus' coming before 2034 AD .
The weaker years are : 2014 AD,2017 AD,2018 AD,2029 AD .
We have this crucial period before us now: 2011 AD - 2034 AD .
2011 AD - 2012 AD - fall to fall being the first year .

[moozgo...@o2.pl]

On 23 Maj, 06:05, "OB...@aol.com" <OB...@aol.com> wrote:
> The only answer to that question is the proper calculations based on
> the Bible. God Yahweh has a time plan toward mankind and all things
> take place by this plan .Attempts at finding out when this event might
> occur is one of the most awesome tasks to do by a man .

It is impossible to accomplish the task you mentioned. In that
connection only people with a serious problem keep calculating new
dates.

> This is a secret kept by God before mankind and can only be uncovered
> by special relationship between God and an individual .And basically
> only few people are allowed by God to do just that .

Indeed, you're special. You have failed over twenty times so far and
you don't give up. Your ability of drawing conclusions must be
critically impaired, I guess.

[Misanthropic Curmudgeon]

On May 23, 4:17 pm, "OB...@aol.com" <OB...@aol.com> wrote:
[snip]

> Note from my calculations that this year 2012 AD is the best last year
> for Jesus' coming before 2034 AD .
> The weaker years are : 2014 AD,2017 AD,2018 AD,2029 AD .
> We have this crucial period before us now: 2011 AD - 2034 AD .

> 2011 AD - 2012 AD - fall to fall being the first year .-

Is there a year you haven't guess at?

[Misanthropic Curmudgeon]

On May 23, 4:05 pm, "OB...@aol.com" <OB...@aol.com> wrote:
[snip numerology rubbish]

No. Because your god does not exist.

> This is a secret kept by God before mankind and can
> only be uncovered by special relationship between
> God and an individual

So if (an all-powerful) god is keepingit a secret as you claim, and
yet it can be uncovered (by you, against the will of an all-powerful
god) then:
- your god is not all-powerful
- you are better than your god.

That puts your religion in a very precarious position, and probably
goes hand in hand with your mental health problems.

[OB...@aol.com]

On May 23, 7:34 pm, Misanthropic Curmudgeon

--
This must be a year that is based on proper calculations ! It is not
just guessing .

[OB...@aol.com]

On May 23, 7:33 pm, Misanthropic Curmudgeon

--
The Bible and calculations based on the Bible I present prove God
Yahweh indeed exists .
http://www.focusonthebible2011.com

[OB...@aol.com]

--
Could you point here where I can find another man doing the same
calculations ?

[Greg Carr]

No one else is as mentally deluded or lying as to the extent you are.

[Misanthropic Curmudgeon]

I'll ask again, because you are avoiding the question: Is there a

[Misanthropic Curmudgeon]

On May 24, 3:22 pm, "OB...@aol.com" <OB...@aol.com> wrote:
[snip]

> Could you point here where I can find another man doing the same
> calculations ?

I saw a jabbering drunkard scribbling on wall in a bus shelter, and a
madman scribbling all over the inside of his padded cell.

[Misanthropic Curmudgeon]

There is no proof in what you babble: you are wrong every
singletime!!!

And I note you continue to avoid somthing youfind unpleasant: if your
(all-powerful) god is keeping this 'end of the world' thing a secret

[moozgo...@o2.pl]

On 24 Maj, 05:22, "OB...@aol.com" <OB...@aol.com> wrote:
> Could you point here where I can find another man doing the same
> calculations ?

Nope, but it still doesn't make you sound sane. Your problem with
compulsory giving of new dates again and again can be a one-in-kind
thing.

[OB...@aol.com]

On May 23, 7:33 pm, Misanthropic Curmudgeon
<misanthropiccurmudg...@breastcancermail.com> wrote:

--
God keeps the time of Jesus' coming secret before unsaved people who
are majority of all the living people.
Amos 3.7 about relation of Israel to God . Remember this reference for
all your life !
" Surely the Lord God will do nothing ,but he revealeth his secret
unto his servants the prophets . "

[duke]

On Sun, 27 May 2012 01:22:19 -0700 (PDT), "OB...@aol.com" <OB...@aol.com> wrote:

>On May 23, 7:33 pm, Misanthropic Curmudgeon
><misanthropiccurmudg...@breastcancermail.com> wrote:
>> On May 23, 4:05 pm, "OB...@aol.com" <OB...@aol.com> wrote:
>> [snip numerology rubbish]
>>
>> No.  Because your god does not exist.
>>
>> > This is a secret kept by God before mankind and can
>> > only be uncovered by special relationship between
>> > God and an individual
>>
>> So if (an all-powerful) god is keepingit a secret as you claim, and
>> yet it can be uncovered (by you, against the will of an all-powerful
>> god) then:
>>  - your god is not all-powerful
>>  - you are better than your god.
>>
>> That puts your religion in a very precarious position, and probably
>> goes hand in hand with your mental health problems.

Seeing as Jesus came to show in example the way to the Father, and he himself
ascended to the Father, don't you think that we too will rise to meet God "in
the clouds" as Jesus did. Our moment is established as our time of death on
this planet.

Do you actually think Jesus is coming to ride a horse in a great war on the
plains?

duke - American American

*****
2012 - end of an error
Vote Republican in 2012
*****

[OB...@aol.com]

--
This is not a compulsory giving out of new dates .Calculations I am
presenting is a new field of the Bible knowledge worked out by God
Yahweh in His plans .
I myself could not come up with such calculations on my own .

http://www.focusonthebible2011.com

[Misanthropic Curmudgeon]

On May 27, 8:22 pm, "OB...@aol.com" <OB...@aol.com> wrote:
> On May 23, 7:33 pm, Misanthropic Curmudgeon
>
>
>
>
>
> <misanthropiccurmudg...@breastcancermail.com> wrote:
> > On May 23, 4:05 pm, "OB...@aol.com" <OB...@aol.com> wrote:
> > [snip numerology rubbish]
>
> > No.  Because your god does not exist.
>
> > > This is a secret kept by God before mankind and can
> > > only be uncovered by special relationship between
> > > God and an individual
>
> > So if (an all-powerful) god is keepingit a secret as you claim, and
> > yet it can be uncovered (by you, against the will of an all-powerful
> > god) then:
> >  - your god is not all-powerful
> >  - you are better than your god.
>
> > That puts your religion in a very precarious position, and probably
> > goes hand in hand with your mental health problems.
>
> --
> God keeps the time of Jesus' coming secret before unsaved people who
> are majority of  all the living people.

Your avoidance of my point, above, is noted: if (an all-powerful) god
is keeping it a secret as you claim, and yet it can be uncovered (by

you, against the will of an all-powerful god) then:
- your god is not all-powerful
- you are better than your god.

That puts your religion in a very precarious position, and probably
goes hand in hand with your mental health problems.

> Amos 3.7 about relation of Israel to God . Remember this reference for
> all your life !
> " Surely the Lord God will do nothing ,but he revealeth his secret
> unto his servants the prophets . "

But you are a false prophet, OBVES: every single one of your
prohesises is false.

So much so that you are ashamed to list them all, eh?

[OB...@aol.com]

On May 27, 8:39 pm, Misanthropic Curmudgeon

---
Just go to my website now and see how I view the endtime era :
http://www.focusonthebible2011.com

[Joe~Bean Inc.]

<OB...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:c7897a07-9791-4e0a...@p27g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...

~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~

So you're saying your God is making all these FAILED calculations for
Armageddon all these years?

[Joe~Bean Inc.]

<OB...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:5ea849c4-de96-4930...@p27g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...

" Surely the Lord God will do nothing ,but he revealeth his secret
unto his servants the prophets . "

~ ~ ~ ~

Which means Jesus lied?

[OB...@aol.com]

---
The predictions I am making are the attempts to the best of my
knowledge to reach the summit of a mountain no one was still able to
reach .
http://www.focusonthebible2011.com

[OB...@aol.com]

--
It is already enough that we know we are at the endtime !
The day and the hour may have a wider spiritual meaning .
To keep food for a day of war .
To keep money for an hour of hunger .
Matthew 13.11.34-35 .

[OB...@aol.com]

On May 28, 12:07 am, "Joe~Bean Inc." <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> <OB...@aol.com> wrote in message
>

> news:395cf366-62b8-48fd...@z19g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...

> +++ So you are ashamed to list all  your failed predictions, just like the
> men who run the Watchtower Society.  They too are ashamed of all their
> failed predictions.

--
Note I am using the old failed predictions made by the Watchtower to
prove the International Bible Students had and Jehovah's Witnesses
after them have the true religion !
http://www.focusonthebible2011.com
By using my failed predictions : 1991 AD ,1994 AD,1999 AD,2000 AD,2001
AD,2004 AD,2005 AD , 2011 AD I can prove God Yahweh approves of my
religion .

[Misanthropic Curmudgeon]

So that another refusal from you to list all your false prophoesies,
then, eh?

[OB...@aol.com]

On May 28, 12:56 am, Misanthropic Curmudgeon

--
The list above shows already I had many failed predictions but there
is some more to that ! They prove I am a true christiamn servant by
the fact alone I was able to come up with these years that God has on
His list of dates from which He may choose one final year .

You want to try ? I will pick up few dates from this year and write on
a piece of paper and you will pick up the same number of dates and
they all must be the same as mine .
Do you take me on that ? I believe if I pick up 5 dates you will have
all different than mine .This would be a total falilure on your part
worse than my predictions .

[Misanthropic Curmudgeon]

So why dont you list them all. NOt the the years ones which have all
been wrong, but a the days within those years too. All the times
yourve gone 'oh it was not yestaerday, bit ist next week'. WHy dont
you list all your faiuled propheses?

> They prove I am a true christiamn servant by the fact alone
> I was able to come up with these years

You are thick. Coming up with (wrong) rubbish does not prove your
methods or your god or any inspiartion.

> God has on His list of dates from which He may choose
> one final year .

So you continue to place boundary condidtions on your god!?!?!?!

By doing so, you argue your god is not all-powerful. Do you really
want to go down that route?

[Joe~Bean Inc.]

<OB...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:b282466d-4eb9-4cdd...@b26g2000vbt.googlegroups.com...

And you too will fail as did the millions before you who have tried to
figure out the time and year. Just like Jesus said, no man knows. Stop
claiming God is behind your failed predictions. If he was, you would not
have failed for over 20 years.

[Joe~Bean Inc.]

<OB...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:381d1aea-8035-461b...@z19g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...

The list above shows already I had many failed predictions but there
is some more to that ! They prove I am a true christiamn servant by
the fact alone I was able to come up with these years that God has on
His list of dates from which He may choose one final year .

+++ And you SAW and READ his list of dates? How did you accomplish that
little feat?

You want to try ? I will pick up few dates from this year and write on
a piece of paper and you will pick up the same number of dates and
they all must be the same as mine .
Do you take me on that ? I believe if I pick up 5 dates you will have
all different than mine .This would be a total falilure on your part
worse than my predictions .

+++ And the above makes sense to you? You must be on more than Vodka.

[Joe~Bean Inc.]

<OB...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:89e4e28e-2d26-42dc...@eh4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...

On May 27, 11:52 pm, "Joe~Bean Inc." <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> <OB...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:5ea849c4-de96-4930...@p27g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...
> " Surely the Lord God will do nothing ,but he revealeth his secret
> unto his servants the prophets . "
>
> ~ ~ ~ ~
>
> Which means Jesus lied?

--
It is already enough that we know we are at the endtime !

+++ There is no evidence that that is true. People have made that claim for
over 20000 years. We're all still here.

The day and the hour may have a wider spiritual meaning .
To keep food for a day of war .
To keep money for an hour of hunger .
Matthew 13.11.34-35 .

+++ Again... there is no evidence the earth is about to implode, explode,
be redone, undone.........

[Joe~Bean Inc.]

<OB...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:72628f7d-ecc0-41fb...@m3g2000vbl.googlegroups.com...

On May 28, 12:07 am, "Joe~Bean Inc." <inva...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> <OB...@aol.com> wrote in message
>
> news:395cf366-62b8-48fd...@z19g2000vbe.googlegroups.com...
> On May 27, 8:39 pm, Misanthropic Curmudgeon
>
> <misanthropiccurmudg...@breastcancermail.com> wrote:
>
> > But you are a false prophet, OBVES: every single one of your
> > prohesises is false.
>
> > So much so that you are ashamed to list them all, eh?
>
> ---
> Just go to my website now and see how I view the endtime era :
>
> +++ So you are ashamed to list all your failed predictions, just like the
> men who run the Watchtower Society. They too are ashamed of all their
> failed predictions.

--
Note I am using the old failed predictions made by the Watchtower to
prove the International Bible Students had and Jehovah's Witnesses
after them have the true religion !

+++ So only people who make failed predicitons have the true religion? What
about those who make 100% correct predictions?

By using my failed predictions : 1991 AD ,1994 AD,1999 AD,2000 AD,2001
AD,2004 AD,2005 AD , 2011 AD I can prove God Yahweh approves of my
religion .

+++ So prove it. Why haven't you already proved that Yahweh approves only
those who make failed predictions over and over again.

[Misanthropic Curmudgeon]

Its funnier than that: OBVES reckons his god is bounded by his
predictions. OBVES says his god can return only is some year (he is
still trying to work out).

That this means his gos is not all-powerful is something OBVES is
unwilling to address (such is his cognitive shortcomings)

[duke]

The term "all powerful" is misunderstood. For instance, can God change the
past? No, he can't because those things have already happened., but then again
maybe he can if he wants to because he is still all powerful. Foolish people
like the thomma boys try to play those games and lose.

[Misanthropic Curmudgeon]

All-powerful is just that: an absolute all-powereful. As soon as
limitations are put on 'all-powerful' it loses the 'all' and becomes
'reallyreallyreally'.

And this is the road OBVES has ventured down for his god, without
realising it.

OBVES has constructed his god to return only at a date that OBVES is
still trying to figure out. If his god is limited to this date (even
by the god himself) then, by definition, his god is no longer all
powerful.

Further, OBVES has suggested that his god has kep this (fanciful) date
a secret from mankind, but that he can figure it out. In effect,
OBVES is saying that he is more powerful than his own god.

Which is a reall problem for the notion of fallible man and a devine
being.


But then again, he belives in a god, so he cant be that clued up
anyway.

[Joe~Bean Inc.]

"Misanthropic Curmudgeon" <misanthropi...@breastcancermail.com>
wrote in message
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~ ~ ~ ~ ~

Seriously, this is what mental illness mixed with religion does to people.
He started to live in this fantasy world of calculations and having a direct
line to God a few years ago. Before than he wasn't anywhere near as bad. I
think all the endless hours of listening to that con-man Camping helped push
him over the edge.

[duke]

No, it does not need to be absolute to be true. God has no use for changing the
past as that would destroy all the future from that point. That he can if he
wishes to is his to make as the one that willed the universe into existence. But
in terms of allowing evolution to move forward, that it can thus be stated "that
he can't change the past".

> As soon as
>limitations are put on 'all-powerful' it loses the 'all' and becomes
>'reallyreallyreally'.
>And this is the road OBVES has ventured down for his god, without
>realising it.

>OBVES has constructed his god to return only at a date that OBVES is
>still trying to figure out.

Or thinks that he 'can' figure out.

> If his god is limited to this date (even
>by the god himself) then, by definition, his god is no longer all
>powerful.

Not true. Obves is trying to make a case for the return day being known
now-days. God says nobody knows, not even Jesus the man knew, and that's good
enough for me. His problem is that he hasn't come to grips with "the date"
being one in which we ourselves GO TO Jesus, rather than him 'return' to us. The
reason it's unknown is that it's just as easily the death date of each of us
individually. The Father raised Jesus to himself, so why would we take a
different way such that Jesus comes to us rather than us to him - the day we
die.

>Further, OBVES has suggested that his god has kep this (fanciful) date
>a secret from mankind, but that he can figure it out. In effect,
>OBVES is saying that he is more powerful than his own god.

All the more reason it's our individual day to die.

>Which is a reall problem for the notion of fallible man and a devine
>being. But then again, he belives in a god, so he cant be that clued up
>anyway.

[Misanthropic Curmudgeon]

Again, Duke, you are redefining things to suit your bias.

All-powerful is a logical absolute. Your attempt to water that down
are flawed, and actually quite sad.

The small amount of merit in your argument that this god may choose to
not do something is quite differnet from being able to do it. You
choose to conflate and confuse those two points, which is the
foundation error in your defence.

> > As soon as
> >limitations are put on 'all-powerful' it loses the 'all' and becomes
> >'reallyreallyreally'.
> >And this is the road OBVES has ventured down for his god, without
> >realising it.
> >OBVES has constructed his god to return only at a date that OBVES is
> >still trying to figure out.
>
> Or thinks that he 'can' figure out.

Well, we agree that he cant figure it but for quite different
reasons:
- you think only your god knows, and can choose (irrespective as to
wther its codified in the bible)
- I reckon that:
- there is no god so its a moot, non-existant, point, and,
- even if there was, OBVES's method and methodology
are so flawed he's pushing the proverbial up hill.

> > If his god is limited to this date (even
> >by the god himself) then, by definition, his god is no longer all
> >powerful.
>
> Not true.

My logic is true, and your subsequent disscussion (on 'go to' as
opposed to 'return' is not relavant to this point, no matter how sound
it is to a beliver)

As soon as a restricion is placed on absolute power, it is no longer
absolute. This is the logical construct you struggle with.

[duke]

But it's ignorant man that said it, not God. We believe that God willed the
universe into existence and then turned it over to evolution. There's a
difference between man's understanding of "absolute" and what God's desire for
absolute may be. God shows that he lets us hang ourselves in sin if that's
what we want. He don't interfere. So maybe he can, maybe can only if he
chooses to, and maybe he can't change the pass absolutely. His letting us
choose satan over him tells me that, even if he can, he doesn't.

>The small amount of merit in your argument that this god may choose to
>not do something is quite differnet from being able to do it. You
>choose to conflate and confuse those two points, which is the
>foundation error in your defence.

Yet you can't over come the clear fact that MAN is trying to determine absolute,
while God may have other ideas. And man can't say one way or the other in
truth.

>> > As soon as
>> >limitations are put on 'all-powerful' it loses the 'all' and becomes
>> >'reallyreallyreally'.
>> >And this is the road OBVES has ventured down for his god, without
>> >realising it.
>> >OBVES has constructed his god to return only at a date that OBVES is
>> >still trying to figure out.

>> Or thinks that he 'can' figure out.

>Well, we agree that he cant figure it but for quite different
>reasons:
> - you think only your god knows, and can choose (irrespective as to
>wther its codified in the bible)

It's not an issue of "my" God. There is only one.

> - I reckon that:
> - there is no god so its a moot, non-existant, point, and,
> - even if there was, OBVES's method and methodology
> are so flawed he's pushing the proverbial up hill.

Then you must equally deny creation.

>> > If his god is limited to this date (even
>> >by the god himself) then, by definition, his god is no longer all
>> >powerful.

>> Not true.

>My logic is true, and your subsequent disscussion (on 'go to' as
>opposed to 'return' is not relavant to this point, no matter how sound
>it is to a beliver)

Your logic is false because your man conclusions can't match up to decisions by
God.

>As soon as a restricion is placed on absolute power, it is no longer
>absolute. This is the logical construct you struggle with.

Strickly a highly unlearned mankind trying to define God.

[Misanthropic Curmudgeon]

You still cant see the difference betwenn 'choice' and 'ability', can
you?

> >The small amount of merit in your argument that this god may choose to
> >not do something is quite differnet from being able to do it.  You
> >choose to conflate and confuse those two points, which is the
> >foundation error in your defence.
>
> Yet you can't over come the clear fact that MAN is trying to determine absolute,
> while God may have other ideas.  And man can't say one way or the other in
> truth.

Still waving-your-hands and making stuff up duke: I would have thought
that agerown man would have, well, outgrown that.

> >> > As soon as
> >> >limitations are put on 'all-powerful' it loses the 'all' and becomes
> >> >'reallyreallyreally'.
> >> >And this is the road OBVES has ventured down for his god, without
> >> >realising it.
> >> >OBVES has constructed his god to return only at a date that OBVES is
> >> >still trying to figure out.
> >> Or thinks that he 'can' figure out.
> >Well, we agree that he cant figure it but for quite different
> >reasons:
> > - you think only your god knows, and can choose (irrespective as to
> >wther its codified in the bible)
>
> It's not an issue of "my" God.  There is only one.

Again you are wrong: there about 2000 gods of various kinds, shapes,
and the like: you just fawn over one and deny the others,

> > - I reckon that:
> >   - there is no god so its a moot, non-existant, point, and,
> >   - even if there was, OBVES's method and methodology
> >      are so flawed he's pushing the proverbial up hill.
>
> Then you must equally deny creation.

There is no evidence of any biblical-relevance to the beginning of the
universe

> >> > If his god is limited to this date (even
> >> >by the god himself) then, by definition, his god is no longer all
> >> >powerful.
> >> Not true.
> >My logic is true, and your subsequent disscussion (on 'go to' as
> >opposed to 'return' is not relavant to this point, no matter how sound
> >it is to a beliver)
>
> Your logic is false because your man conclusions can't match up to decisions by
> God.

Now you are just making stuff up (again) eh duke?

[duke]

We can choose but we must have ability first.

[Misanthropic Curmudgeon]

Indeed, and this concession from you undermines your previous point.
But you dont see that, eh duke?