Egypt accused Galloway, who had once called for the overthrow of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak in a London rally, of trying to embarrass the country
My Name
CAIRO (AFP) - Egypt told MP George Galloway he was persona
non grata on Friday after activists who joined him to send
an aid convoy to Gaza clashed with police.
But officials denied that they had deported the left-winger.
A foreign ministry official told Galloway he was no longer
welcome before he left Cairo airport for London, an AFP
reporter at the airport said.
The foreign ministry later issued a statement saying
Galloway would not be allowed to return to Egypt.
The decision came two days after activists with the Viva
Palestina convoy clashed with police in the port town of El-
Arish, 30 miles from the Gaza border.
They had been protesting an Egyptian decision to send some
of the convoy's trucks to Gaza through Israel.
Egypt allowed most of the convoy and Galloway to enter Gaza
after the clashes.
A spokeswoman with the Viva Palestina convoy said Galloway
had returned to Egypt earlier on Friday after hearing
reports that seven members of the convoy had been arrested.
Seven protesters were arrested during Tuesday's clashes, but
police swapped them for four policemen held by the
activists. A prosecutor in El-Arish later issued warrants
for the arrest of the seven.
Viva Palestina said Galloway and a companion were forced
into a van on the Egyptian side of the Rafah border crossing
and taken to Cairo airport.
"Galloway was officially deported from Cairo today (Friday),
when Egyptian plain-clothes police officers bundled him onto
a London plane," the statement said.
A security official said six police cars had waited for
Galloway at the border crossing and escorted him to Cairo.
Security and airport officials denied he was deported,
saying he left willingly.
Although it was not the first convoy led by Galloway to
deliver aid to Gaza, the arrival of the convoy early this
year came amid a bitter dispute between Egypt and the
organisers.
The convoy was held up for days in the Jordanian port town
of Aqaba after Egypt refused it entry through the southern
Sinai.
The convoy was forced to travel to the Syrian port of
Latakia and take a ferry to El-Arish on Egypt's
Mediterranean coast.
Egypt accused Galloway, who had once called for the
overthrow of Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak in a London
rally, of trying to embarrass the country, which has refused
to permanently open its Rafah border crossing with Gaza.
Israel has closed its border with Gaza to all but limited
supplies since the Islamist Hamas movement seized control of
the territory in 2007.
http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/100108/world/mideast_conflict_gaza_egypt_britain
Egypt deports British lawmaker Galloway
Fri, 08 Jan 2010 14:00:14 GMT
British lawmaker George Galloway has been a vocal critic of
Israel and Egypt's attempt to continue the blockade of the
Gaza Strip.
http://www.presstv.ir/photo/20100108/shamseddin20100108170719937.jpg
Cairo has deported British lawmaker George Galloway,
following clashes between a Gaza-bound aid convoy he was
accompanying and Egyptian police.
The lawmaker was planning to return to Gaza via the Rafah
crossing early Friday when several Egyptian plainclothes
security forces detained him and bundled him into a plane
and flew him to London.
A spokeswoman for the convoy said police intervened when
Galloway and colleague Ron McKay arrived at the crossing.
"As soon as they emerged on to Egyptian soil, both men were
forcibly pushed into a van, refused exit and told that they
were leaving the country. They were then driven off in a
police convoy," the BBC quoted him as saying.
There are no comments from the Egyptian government on the
deportation.
On Tuesday, Egyptian police harshly confronted a protest by
Viva Palestina activists in the port of El-Arish, leaving
some 60 people injured and arresting a number of them.
The scuffle followed Cairo's refusal to allow aid vehicles
to enter the Palestinian Gaza Strip � which has been under a
paralyzing Israeli blockade since 2007 � making the convoy
take a big detour and delaying its arrival.
Despite restrictions imposed by Egyptian authorities, the
convoy finally managed to deliver nearly 200 aid trucks to
Gaza after a month-long journey.
Galloway, the Bow and Bethnal Green lawmaker, and his team
of international activists have sent three relief convoys
into the Palestinian territory.
Israel's move to keep border crossings with Gaza sealed off
is further reinvigorated by Egypt's refusal to open the
Rafah crossing, the only border terminal not in Tel Aviv's
control.
Furthermore, Cairo has recently started building a steel
wall on its border with the Gaza Strip to disrupt a network
of cross-border tunnels, through which the Palestinians have
been pushing in food, fuel and other essential necessities.
The United Nations Relief and Works Agency Commissioner-
General, Karen Abu Zaid, has described the wall as more
dangerous than the Bar Lev Line built by Israel along the
eastern coast of the Suez Canal after it captured the Sinai
Peninsula from Egypt during the 1967 six-day war.
MRS/HGH/MD
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for whatsoever doth make manifest is light. The light shineth in darkness;
and the darkness comprehended it not. The light of the body is the eye:
if therefore thine eye be single, thy whole body shall be full of light.
But if thine eye be evil, thy whole body shall be full of darkness.
If therefore the light that is in thee be darkness, how great is that darkness!
Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead,
and Christ shall give thee light. For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.
Seon Ferguson
fascist governments who hate free speech.
BDK
seo...@gmail.com says...
> Well we can put Egypt in the same category as Canada: countries run by
> fascist governments who hate free speech.
>
>
What did Canada do that has your panties in a bunch?
--
BDK..
Leader of the nonexistent paid shills.
Non Jew Jew Club founding member.
Former number one Kook Magnet, title passed to Iarnrod.
Seon Ferguson
"BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.25b222ddf...@news.buckeye-express.com...
> In article <CK6dnbwdzZ3Co9XW...@westnet.com.au>,
> seo...@gmail.com says...
>> Well we can put Egypt in the same category as Canada: countries run by
>> fascist governments who hate free speech.
>>
>>
>
> What did Canada do that has your panties in a bunch?
> --
>
They wouldn't allow George Galloway to enter their country. They even tried
to get David Icke denied. Kook he may be but free speech isn't free unless
it's available to ALL. And I thought I would clarify I don't think Canada is
fascist, just the fascists who wouldn't let George Galloway in.
BDK
seo...@gmail.com says...
>
>
> "BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.25b222ddf...@news.buckeye-express.com...
> > In article <CK6dnbwdzZ3Co9XW...@westnet.com.au>,
> > seo...@gmail.com says...
> >> Well we can put Egypt in the same category as Canada: countries run by
> >> fascist governments who hate free speech.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > What did Canada do that has your panties in a bunch?
> > --
> >
> They wouldn't allow George Galloway to enter their country. They even tried
> to get David Icke denied. Kook he may be but free speech isn't free unless
> it's available to ALL. And I thought I would clarify I don't think Canada is
> fascist, just the fascists who wouldn't let George Galloway in.
>
BWHAHAHAHAHA! It's not your country, so why are you worried about it so
much?
As if keeping George whoever the hell he is, and Icke out is a big deal.
--
Seon Ferguson
"BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.25b2a5cc9...@news.buckeye-express.com...
> In article <TqSdnWy9dLxg_dXW...@westnet.com.au>,
> seo...@gmail.com says...
>>
>>
>> "BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.25b222ddf...@news.buckeye-express.com...
>> > In article <CK6dnbwdzZ3Co9XW...@westnet.com.au>,
>> > seo...@gmail.com says...
>> >> Well we can put Egypt in the same category as Canada: countries run by
>> >> fascist governments who hate free speech.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > What did Canada do that has your panties in a bunch?
>> > --
>> >
>> They wouldn't allow George Galloway to enter their country. They even
>> tried
>> to get David Icke denied. Kook he may be but free speech isn't free
>> unless
>> it's available to ALL. And I thought I would clarify I don't think Canada
>> is
>> fascist, just the fascists who wouldn't let George Galloway in.
>>
>
>
> BWHAHAHAHAHA! It's not your country, so why are you worried about it so
> much?
>
> As if keeping George whoever the hell he is, and Icke out is a big deal.
> --
>
I care whenever free speech is denied to people, anywhere in the world. They
can elect whoever the hell they want, just like you guys in America, but as
long as they keep free speech.
Seon Ferguson
"BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.25b2a5cc9...@news.buckeye-express.com...
> In article <TqSdnWy9dLxg_dXW...@westnet.com.au>,
> seo...@gmail.com says...
>>
>>
>> "BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.25b222ddf...@news.buckeye-express.com...
>> > In article <CK6dnbwdzZ3Co9XW...@westnet.com.au>,
>> > seo...@gmail.com says...
>> >> Well we can put Egypt in the same category as Canada: countries run by
>> >> fascist governments who hate free speech.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > What did Canada do that has your panties in a bunch?
>> > --
>> >
>> They wouldn't allow George Galloway to enter their country. They even
>> tried
>> to get David Icke denied. Kook he may be but free speech isn't free
>> unless
>> it's available to ALL. And I thought I would clarify I don't think Canada
>> is
>> fascist, just the fascists who wouldn't let George Galloway in.
>>
>
>
> BWHAHAHAHAHA! It's not your country, so why are you worried about it so
> much?
>
> As if keeping George whoever the hell he is, and Icke out is a big deal.
> --
>
"First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out-because I was
not a communist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-because I
was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-because I was not a
Jew;
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak out."
BDK
Seon Ferguson
"BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.25b34461c...@news.buckeye-express.com...
Obviously you don't get it. When one person's free speech is taken away
everyone's is.
BDK
No, I get it, but you don't really seem to. It's not your country, it's
not Icke's country, it's the CANADIAN'S country, and they decide what to
do. So Canada doesn't want kooks and/or scam artists to come in. I can
see the logic behind their decision.
--
Patrick Keenan
> In article <TqSdnWy9dLxg_dXW...@westnet.com.au>,
> seo...@gmail.com says...
>>
>>
>> "BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
>> news:MPG.25b222ddf...@news.buckeye-express.com...
>> > In article <CK6dnbwdzZ3Co9XW...@westnet.com.au>,
>> > seo...@gmail.com says...
>> >> Well we can put Egypt in the same category as Canada: countries run by
>> >> fascist governments who hate free speech.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> > What did Canada do that has your panties in a bunch?
>> > --
>> >
>> They wouldn't allow George Galloway to enter their country. They even
>> tried
>> to get David Icke denied. Kook he may be but free speech isn't free
>> unless
>> it's available to ALL.
And it isn't - anywhere.
The only question is where a society chooses to draw the line.
>> And I thought I would clarify I don't think Canada is
>> fascist, just the fascists who wouldn't let George Galloway in.
Canada isn't fascist and blocking someone who supports terrorist groups
isn't an expression of fascism.
>>
>
>
> BWHAHAHAHAHA! It's not your country, so why are you worried about it so
> much?
>
> As if keeping George whoever the hell he is, and Icke out is a big deal.
George Galloway, a British parliamentarian who spends more time promoting
Hamas than representing his constituents, was not denied entry to Canada
because of his speech, but because of his campaign of providing material aid
to a terrorist organization.
Canada has had quite enough of people trying to incite civil unrest, and we
don't generally welcome people who work for groups that promote it.
We don't allow David Irving in either, but that's because he's demonstrated
a habit of lying to immigration officers. And that, along with various
other convictions, led Australia to bar him entry as "Not of Good
Character". The US still lets him in (to work) even though he claims to
have engaged in activities that other people get long prison terms for, and
even though his supporters are now trying to kill each other at his "book
signings".
-pk
Patrick Keenan
news:nu6dnVlVro1DktTW...@westnet.com.au...
Galloway was denied entry to Canada because of his active and material
support of a listed terrorist organization.
Patrick Keenan
Yes, you can provide platitudes, or you can deal with Mr. Galloway's work
providing financial and material aid to organizations listed as terrorist
organizations.
Canada has some experience with people importing their violent causes into
our country, and we don't want them here. We've had enough of the deaths
they cause.
Are you going to claim that beatings and murder are supported expressions of
free speech?
Patrick Keenan
Seon, you obviously don't get it.
*No-one anywhere* has free speech.
No country is obliged to allow entry to visitors who will put its citizens
at risk.
Patrick Keenan
Icke was allowed entry for his book tour - the issue was that a good number
of his statements can be regarded as anti-semitic hate speech, and the
purpose of his visit was to sell the materials that contain these
statements. However, Immigration decided that he didn't pose that much of
a threat, possibly because he is so hard to take seriously for more than a
few seconds.
It's apparently the view of the Government that Mr. Galloway's material
support for armed, violent organizations is another thing entirely.
Canada has bitter experience with guests bringing their causes with them;
this has led to beatings, mass murder, and bombings. You may not be aware
(and I'm sure Seon is not ) of the Air India Flight 182 bombing; 329 people
were killed by people who'd brought their cultural disagreements with them
to Canada.
We've had enough of that, thank you very much. Mr. Galloway can take his
views elsewhere.
-pk
Seon Ferguson
"Patrick Keenan" <te...@dev.null> wrote in message
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I see you believe lies now.
Seon Ferguson
"Patrick Keenan" <te...@dev.null> wrote in message
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Are you going to stop lying, liar? George Galloway doesn't support any of
those. He has every right to express his free speech and by supporting those
fascist's who denied him entry you are showing what a fascist you are.
Seon Ferguson
"Patrick Keenan" <te...@dev.null> wrote in message
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George Galloway does not support terrorism. That is a lie.
> Canada has bitter experience with guests bringing their causes with them;
> this has led to beatings, mass murder, and bombings. You may not be
> aware (and I'm sure Seon is not ) of the Air India Flight 182 bombing;
> 329 people were killed by people who'd brought their cultural
> disagreements with them to Canada.
>
> We've had enough of that, thank you very much. Mr. Galloway can take his
> views elsewhere.
>
So what if they were "Anti Semitic" it's called free speech. If you don't
like it move to Communist North Korea. The point was fascists tried to get
him banned. And also there is no Semitic race. The Bible is just a bunch of
fairy tales. There was no "Jewish race" and the Jews were never in Egypt.
They were just some tribe who made up a bunch of stories.
Stop believing in fairy tales. You already lie about George Galloway. And
also david Icke is peaceful and supports a non violence resistance.
BDK
seo...@gmail.com says...
And it appears the kookside calls again..
Seon Ferguson
"BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
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I knew you'd say that again. That's all you ever say, you never debate the
facts. Name one thing I said that isn't true.
BDK
Well, let's see. You called the "fascists", and that's pretty far over
the top. There's the "move to communist North Korea" line. You very well
know what anti-semetic means, or you should at this point. Then you go
into this whole thing about the jews not being in Egypt, as if it
matters.
Pretty kooky. And angry too, like Galloway and Icke are personal friends
of yours or something.
Seon Ferguson
"BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
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Anyone who hates free speech is a fascist.
>There's the "move to communist North Korea" line.
Well he doesn't seem to like free speech or like it when people criticise
Israel. In North Korea they send anyone who disagrees with the government to
concentration camps, so maybe he would fit in there.
>You very well
> know what anti-semetic means, or you should at this point.
People use it for someone who hates the Jews. But then they should say anti
Jewish because if you believe in the whole Jewish race thing Arab's are
semetic as well.
>Then you go
> into this whole thing about the jews not being in Egypt, as if it
> matters.
>
It matters because there never was a Jewish race.
> Pretty kooky. And angry too, like Galloway and Icke are personal friends
> of yours or something.
>
I support free speech for everyone. Even Patrick. Even Pauline Hanson (I'm
sure govshill is trolling this thread)
BDK
BWHAHAHAHA!
>
> >There's the "move to communist North Korea" line.
>
> Well he doesn't seem to like free speech or like it when people criticise
> Israel. In North Korea they send anyone who disagrees with the government to
> concentration camps, so maybe he would fit in there.
So not letting someone into a country is the same as putting people in
camps? There really is no gray area with you is there, it's totally
black and white.
>
> >You very well
> > know what anti-semetic means, or you should at this point.
>
> People use it for someone who hates the Jews. But then they should say anti
> Jewish because if you believe in the whole Jewish race thing Arab's are
> semetic as well.
The term is what it is, and you know what it means, so crying about it
won't do anything.
>
> >Then you go
> > into this whole thing about the jews not being in Egypt, as if it
> > matters.
> >
> It matters because there never was a Jewish race.
ROTFL. You're really out there tonight.
>
> > Pretty kooky. And angry too, like Galloway and Icke are personal friends
> > of yours or something.
> >
> I support free speech for everyone. Even Patrick. Even Pauline Hanson (I'm
> sure govshill is trolling this thread)
>
I have no idea who those people are, of course. And since I'm about to
go to bed, I guess I won't know for a while.
Seon Ferguson
"BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
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I know it sounds funny but if you think someone should be denied the right
to state their opinion or give a anti Israel speech because it offends you
then what are you?
>> >There's the "move to communist North Korea" line.
>>
>> Well he doesn't seem to like free speech or like it when people criticise
>> Israel. In North Korea they send anyone who disagrees with the government
>> to
>> concentration camps, so maybe he would fit in there.
>
> So not letting someone into a country is the same as putting people in
> camps? There really is no gray area with you is there, it's totally
> black and white.
>
>>
No it is not the same. But can't you see that everyone should have the right
to an opinion or enter a country and speak his or her mind?
>> >You very well
>> > know what anti-semetic means, or you should at this point.
>>
>> People use it for someone who hates the Jews. But then they should say
>> anti
>> Jewish because if you believe in the whole Jewish race thing Arab's are
>> semetic as well.
>
> The term is what it is, and you know what it means, so crying about it
> won't do anything.
>
>>
But it makes it appear as though anyone who is anti Jewish is racist ie
against the "Jewish race" or rather, Semitic race. Plus George Galloway is
anti Zionist. Look at how he treated a true fascist in the UK when a fascist
called into his radio show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnncPbP9JrE
>> >Then you go
>> > into this whole thing about the jews not being in Egypt, as if it
>> > matters.
>> >
>> It matters because there never was a Jewish race.
>
> ROTFL. You're really out there tonight.
>
>>
I don't believe in fairy tales (anymore) and let's face it, all religion is
based on myth. That doesn't just go for Pagan religions. The Christian
religion started with a bunch of stories floating around about Jesus
(probably borrowed from other myths), Islam was obviously made up by
Muhammad so he could conquer land and Judaism was made up by a group of
blokes from some tribe who wanted to invade a land and decided to lie and
say God told them to invade it. Religion is the oldest scam in human history
and if you believe there is a Jewish race you fell for it.
>> > Pretty kooky. And angry too, like Galloway and Icke are personal
>> > friends
>> > of yours or something.
>> >
>> I support free speech for everyone. Even Patrick. Even Pauline Hanson
>> (I'm
>> sure govshill is trolling this thread)
>>
>
And looking back on it trolling is the wrong word. Watching....no what's the
word? oh lurking!
>
> I have no idea who those people are, of course. And since I'm about to
> go to bed, I guess I won't know for a while.
>
Go to bed?...Are you an aussie BDK? it's bed time for me but I go to bed
early.
BDK
It's up to CANADA to decide who and who doesn't come into their country,
for whatever reason they want to. Saying they are "fascist" is just
totally over the top.
>
> >> >There's the "move to communist North Korea" line.
> >>
> >> Well he doesn't seem to like free speech or like it when people criticise
> >> Israel. In North Korea they send anyone who disagrees with the government
> >> to
> >> concentration camps, so maybe he would fit in there.
> >
> > So not letting someone into a country is the same as putting people in
> > camps? There really is no gray area with you is there, it's totally
> > black and white.
> >
> >>
> No it is not the same. But can't you see that everyone should have the right
> to an opinion or enter a country and speak his or her mind?
No, most people don't want radicals of any kind to be allowed to enter
their country. Would you be for allowing nazis free access to your
country, anytime they want? How about anarchists, etc? Someone who is
trying to organize terror attacks? There is a limit, right?
>
> >> >You very well
> >> > know what anti-semetic means, or you should at this point.
> >>
> >> People use it for someone who hates the Jews. But then they should say
> >> anti
> >> Jewish because if you believe in the whole Jewish race thing Arab's are
> >> semetic as well.
> >
> > The term is what it is, and you know what it means, so crying about it
> > won't do anything.
> >
> >>
> But it makes it appear as though anyone who is anti Jewish is racist ie
> against the "Jewish race" or rather, Semitic race. Plus George Galloway is
> anti Zionist. Look at how he treated a true fascist in the UK when a fascist
> called into his radio show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnncPbP9JrE
When you say, "anti-zionist" you show your true, hidden colours (I
spelled it your way, to prevent confusion).
>
> >> >Then you go
> >> > into this whole thing about the jews not being in Egypt, as if it
> >> > matters.
> >> >
> >> It matters because there never was a Jewish race.
> >
> > ROTFL. You're really out there tonight.
> >
> >>
> I don't believe in fairy tales (anymore) and let's face it, all religion is
> based on myth. That doesn't just go for Pagan religions. The Christian
> religion started with a bunch of stories floating around about Jesus
> (probably borrowed from other myths), Islam was obviously made up by
> Muhammad so he could conquer land and Judaism was made up by a group of
> blokes from some tribe who wanted to invade a land and decided to lie and
> say God told them to invade it. Religion is the oldest scam in human history
> and if you believe there is a Jewish race you fell for it.
You figured out that religion is bullshit, finally, but it doesn't
matter if there is a "jewish race" if they are thought of as a group all
the time, which they are. There might as well be one, since the jew
haters act as if there is anyway.
>
> >> > Pretty kooky. And angry too, like Galloway and Icke are personal
> >> > friends
> >> > of yours or something.
> >> >
> >> I support free speech for everyone. Even Patrick. Even Pauline Hanson
> >> (I'm
> >> sure govshill is trolling this thread)
> >>
> >
> And looking back on it trolling is the wrong word. Watching....no what's the
> word? oh lurking!
>
> >
> > I have no idea who those people are, of course. And since I'm about to
> > go to bed, I guess I won't know for a while.
> >
> Go to bed?...Are you an aussie BDK? it's bed time for me but I go to bed
> early.
It was like 530AM local time when I posted that, that's Eastern Standard
time, BTW. My normal bedtime is about then. I stopped fighting my night
owl nature a long time ago.
Patrick Keenan
Are you going to start dealing with reality?
> George Galloway doesn't support any of those.
Through his material support of groups that do, he certainly does. His
actions and associates speak much more convincingly than his denials - or
yours.
The Egyptians don't want him, either, for much of the same reasons.
> He has every right to express his free speech
In point of fact, he does not.
His rights of expression do not extend past the borders of his own nation,
and are limited there.
Who gave *you* the right to impose your values on others?
Isn't that just as "fascist" as what you object to?
> and by supporting those fascist's who denied him entry you are showing
> what a fascist you are.
Free speech is a theoretical concept that does not exist in practice
anywhere, and never has. That is the reality you do not seem to grasp.
It's never existed.
All nations have the right to protect their borders and their citizens.
Canada has direct experience with people bringing cultural disagreements
with them and causing strife in the form of violence and murder. We don't
want people who bring that with them. Don't like it? Don't come here.
If you want to go claiming people are "fascist", consider what *you* are
trying to impose on others.
-pk
Patrick Keenan
Could you please read what was written, and respond to that?
I didn't say that Mr. Galloway supports terrorism. I said that he has
provided material support for armed, violent organizations, which happen to
be classified as terrorist groups by a number of countries, quite possibly
by yours.
>
>> Canada has bitter experience with guests bringing their causes with them;
>> this has led to beatings, mass murder, and bombings. You may not be
>> aware (and I'm sure Seon is not ) of the Air India Flight 182 bombing;
>> 329 people were killed by people who'd brought their cultural
>> disagreements with them to Canada.
>>
>> We've had enough of that, thank you very much. Mr. Galloway can take
>> his
>> views elsewhere.
>>
> So what if they were "Anti Semitic" it's called free speech. If you don't
> like it move to Communist North Korea.
By the way, Seon, free speech does not exist anywhere on the planet. No
nation has ever allowed it.
And are we to understand that you don't care about mass murder, and the
"free speech" that led directly to it?
> The point was fascists tried to get
> him banned. And also there is no Semitic race. The Bible is just a bunch
> of
> fairy tales. There was no "Jewish race" and the Jews were never in Egypt.
> They were just some tribe who made up a bunch of stories.
> Stop believing in fairy tales. You already lie about George Galloway.
Meanwhile, in reality, what you are ranting about is not what I wrote.
-pk
Patrick Keenan
You don't understand what fascism is, then.
There are no nations that permit free speech, and there have never been.
Further, prescribing limits to acceptable speech is not the same as "hating
free speech". For example, logically, your "position" with regards to
speech means that you support the creation and distribution of child porn.
The world is a lot more complex than you apparently understand.
You really should learn something about the issues you pretend to support.
-pk
Seon Ferguson
"BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.25b69826d...@news.buckeye-express.com...
But it's censorship.
>> >> >There's the "move to communist North Korea" line.
>> >>
>> >> Well he doesn't seem to like free speech or like it when people
>> >> criticise
>> >> Israel. In North Korea they send anyone who disagrees with the
>> >> government
>> >> to
>> >> concentration camps, so maybe he would fit in there.
>> >
>> > So not letting someone into a country is the same as putting people in
>> > camps? There really is no gray area with you is there, it's totally
>> > black and white.
>> >
>> >>
>> No it is not the same. But can't you see that everyone should have the
>> right
>> to an opinion or enter a country and speak his or her mind?
>
> No, most people don't want radicals of any kind to be allowed to enter
> their country. Would you be for allowing nazis free access to your
> country, anytime they want? How about anarchists, etc? Someone who is
> trying to organize terror attacks? There is a limit, right?
>
>
Yep there is a limit but George Galloway is not a radical/nazi or terrorist.
Ok he may be a member of the extreme left but it's his right. And the
Canadians and others might lie about how he supports terrorist organizations
but that is made up by people who don't like what he says and try to
discredit him.
>> >> >You very well
>> >> > know what anti-semetic means, or you should at this point.
>> >>
>> >> People use it for someone who hates the Jews. But then they should say
>> >> anti
>> >> Jewish because if you believe in the whole Jewish race thing Arab's
>> >> are
>> >> semetic as well.
>> >
>> > The term is what it is, and you know what it means, so crying about it
>> > won't do anything.
>> >
>> >>
>> But it makes it appear as though anyone who is anti Jewish is racist ie
>> against the "Jewish race" or rather, Semitic race. Plus George Galloway
>> is
>> anti Zionist. Look at how he treated a true fascist in the UK when a
>> fascist
>> called into his radio show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnncPbP9JrE
>
> When you say, "anti-zionist" you show your true, hidden colours (I
> spelled it your way, to prevent confusion).
>
Name one anti Jewish thing he said then. He even said the Holocaust was bad
and got booed by some jew haters in a crowd.
>>
>> >> >Then you go
>> >> > into this whole thing about the jews not being in Egypt, as if it
>> >> > matters.
>> >> >
>> >> It matters because there never was a Jewish race.
>> >
>> > ROTFL. You're really out there tonight.
>> >
>> >>
>> I don't believe in fairy tales (anymore) and let's face it, all religion
>> is
>> based on myth. That doesn't just go for Pagan religions. The Christian
>> religion started with a bunch of stories floating around about Jesus
>> (probably borrowed from other myths), Islam was obviously made up by
>> Muhammad so he could conquer land and Judaism was made up by a group of
>> blokes from some tribe who wanted to invade a land and decided to lie and
>> say God told them to invade it. Religion is the oldest scam in human
>> history
>> and if you believe there is a Jewish race you fell for it.
>
> You figured out that religion is bullshit, finally, but it doesn't
> matter if there is a "jewish race" if they are thought of as a group all
> the time, which they are. There might as well be one, since the jew
> haters act as if there is anyway.
>
>
But it shows this whole "anti Semitic" stuff is just nonsense. All it means
is people who hate a group of people who call themselves Jews. Why cant you
just call them a Jew hater?
>
>> >> > Pretty kooky. And angry too, like Galloway and Icke are personal
>> >> > friends
>> >> > of yours or something.
>> >> >
>> >> I support free speech for everyone. Even Patrick. Even Pauline Hanson
>> >> (I'm
>> >> sure govshill is trolling this thread)
>> >>
>> >
>> And looking back on it trolling is the wrong word. Watching....no what's
>> the
>> word? oh lurking!
>>
>> >
>> > I have no idea who those people are, of course. And since I'm about to
>> > go to bed, I guess I won't know for a while.
>> >
>> Go to bed?...Are you an aussie BDK? it's bed time for me but I go to bed
>> early.
>
> It was like 530AM local time when I posted that, that's Eastern Standard
> time, BTW. My normal bedtime is about then. I stopped fighting my night
> owl nature a long time ago.
>
>>
The joys of retirement. I can go to bed anytime as well. But that's not a
good thing when your 26.
Seon Ferguson
"Patrick Keenan" <te...@dev.null> wrote in message
news:NPqdna_CAZkCedHW...@supernews.com...
Well what is the political system where you are not allowed to state your
opinion?
> There are no nations that permit free speech, and there have never been.
>
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Of course, that's America.
> Further, prescribing limits to acceptable speech is not the same as
> "hating free speech". For example, logically, your "position" with
> regards to speech means that you support the creation and distribution of
> child porn.
>
It is when you try to censor someone just because they are anti Israel. And
child porn or porn of any kind is not speech.
> The world is a lot more complex than you apparently understand.
>
> You really should learn something about the issues you pretend to support.
>
And you should learn something about the person you are slandering ie
Galloway before you believe the propaganda spouted by the ADL.
> -pk
Seon Ferguson
>>> Icke was allowed entry for his book tour - the issue was that a good
>>> number of his statements can be regarded as anti-semitic hate speech,
>>> and
>>> the purpose of his visit was to sell the materials that contain these
>>> statements. However, Immigration decided that he didn't pose that much
>>> of a threat, possibly because he is so hard to take seriously for more
>>> than a few seconds.
>>>
>>> It's apparently the view of the Government that Mr. Galloway's material
>>> support for armed, violent organizations is another thing entirely.
>>>
>> George Galloway does not support terrorism. That is a lie.
>
> Could you please read what was written, and respond to that?
>
> I didn't say that Mr. Galloway supports terrorism. I said that he has
> provided material support for armed, violent organizations, which happen
> to be classified as terrorist groups by a number of countries, quite
> possibly by yours.
>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P1OU_GlWAQ0 but he is helping them get aid
into gaza because Israel won't even allow the people of the gaza strip to
receive aid. Of course you would justify that.
>>
>>> Canada has bitter experience with guests bringing their causes with
>>> them;
>>> this has led to beatings, mass murder, and bombings. You may not be
>>> aware (and I'm sure Seon is not ) of the Air India Flight 182 bombing;
>>> 329 people were killed by people who'd brought their cultural
>>> disagreements with them to Canada.
>>>
>>> We've had enough of that, thank you very much. Mr. Galloway can take
>>> his
>>> views elsewhere.
>>>
>> So what if they were "Anti Semitic" it's called free speech. If you don't
>> like it move to Communist North Korea.
>
>
> By the way, Seon, free speech does not exist anywhere on the planet. No
> nation has ever allowed it.
>
America has. But it doesn't exist in Australia.
> And are we to understand that you don't care about mass murder, and the
> "free speech" that led directly to it?
>
>
If your talking about the holocaust there is a difference between inciting
violence against another group of people and saying what Israel is doing is
wrong. When did George Galloway say death to the Jews? Please give me
quotes.
Government Shill #2
wrote:
>
>
>"BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
>news:MPG.25b69826d...@news.buckeye-express.com...
>> It's up to CANADA to decide who and who doesn't come into their country,
>> for whatever reason they want to. Saying they are "fascist" is just
>> totally over the top.
>>
>>>
>But it's censorship.
So? Lots of things in a "free" society are censored. Look around you!
And censorship is not fascism.
<snip>
>The joys of retirement. I can go to bed anytime as well. But that's not a
>good thing when your 26.
Did you get the job?
--
Shill #2
I am not young enough to know everything.
Oscar Wilde (1854 - 1900)
Seon Ferguson
"Government Shill #2" <gov....@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:ojtrk5lfdnidp2o20...@4ax.com...
> On Wed, 13 Jan 2010 21:08:39 +1100, "Seon Ferguson" <seo...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>"BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
>>news:MPG.25b69826d...@news.buckeye-express.com...
>
>>> It's up to CANADA to decide who and who doesn't come into their country,
>>> for whatever reason they want to. Saying they are "fascist" is just
>>> totally over the top.
>>>
>>>>
>>But it's censorship.
>
>
> So? Lots of things in a "free" society are censored. Look around you!
>
> And censorship is not fascism.
>
Well it sure as hell ain't freedom.
> <snip>
>>The joys of retirement. I can go to bed anytime as well. But that's not a
>>good thing when your 26.
>
> Did you get the job?
>
No I was screwed. I was told I would be hired for 2 months but I guess
people are just out to get you. I'll probably be earning another certificate
this year.
BDK
And how exactly does that make the Canadian government "Fascist"?
>
> >> >> >There's the "move to communist North Korea" line.
> >> >>
> >> >> Well he doesn't seem to like free speech or like it when people
> >> >> criticise
> >> >> Israel. In North Korea they send anyone who disagrees with the
> >> >> government
> >> >> to
> >> >> concentration camps, so maybe he would fit in there.
> >> >
> >> > So not letting someone into a country is the same as putting people in
> >> > camps? There really is no gray area with you is there, it's totally
> >> > black and white.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> No it is not the same. But can't you see that everyone should have the
> >> right
> >> to an opinion or enter a country and speak his or her mind?
> >
> > No, most people don't want radicals of any kind to be allowed to enter
> > their country. Would you be for allowing nazis free access to your
> > country, anytime they want? How about anarchists, etc? Someone who is
> > trying to organize terror attacks? There is a limit, right?
> >
> >
> Yep there is a limit but George Galloway is not a radical/nazi or terrorist.
> Ok he may be a member of the extreme left but it's his right.
Someone extreme right or left IS a radical!!
> And the Canadians and others might lie about how he supports terrorist organizations
> but that is made up by people who don't like what he says and try to
> discredit him.
From what I've read, not much, he does.
>
>
> >> >> >You very well
> >> >> > know what anti-semetic means, or you should at this point.
> >> >>
> >> >> People use it for someone who hates the Jews. But then they should say
> >> >> anti
> >> >> Jewish because if you believe in the whole Jewish race thing Arab's
> >> >> are
> >> >> semetic as well.
> >> >
> >> > The term is what it is, and you know what it means, so crying about it
> >> > won't do anything.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> But it makes it appear as though anyone who is anti Jewish is racist ie
> >> against the "Jewish race" or rather, Semitic race. Plus George Galloway
> >> is
> >> anti Zionist. Look at how he treated a true fascist in the UK when a
> >> fascist
> >> called into his radio show http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nnncPbP9JrE
> >
> > When you say, "anti-zionist" you show your true, hidden colours (I
> > spelled it your way, to prevent confusion).
> >
> Name one anti Jewish thing he said then. He even said the Holocaust was bad
> and got booed by some jew haters in a crowd.
It just means he's not a total loon, that's all.
>
> >>
> >> >> >Then you go
> >> >> > into this whole thing about the jews not being in Egypt, as if it
> >> >> > matters.
> >> >> >
> >> >> It matters because there never was a Jewish race.
> >> >
> >> > ROTFL. You're really out there tonight.
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> I don't believe in fairy tales (anymore) and let's face it, all religion
> >> is
> >> based on myth. That doesn't just go for Pagan religions. The Christian
> >> religion started with a bunch of stories floating around about Jesus
> >> (probably borrowed from other myths), Islam was obviously made up by
> >> Muhammad so he could conquer land and Judaism was made up by a group of
> >> blokes from some tribe who wanted to invade a land and decided to lie and
> >> say God told them to invade it. Religion is the oldest scam in human
> >> history
> >> and if you believe there is a Jewish race you fell for it.
> >
> > You figured out that religion is bullshit, finally, but it doesn't
> > matter if there is a "jewish race" if they are thought of as a group all
> > the time, which they are. There might as well be one, since the jew
> > haters act as if there is anyway.
> >
> >
> But it shows this whole "anti Semitic" stuff is just nonsense. All it means
> is people who hate a group of people who call themselves Jews. Why cant you
> just call them a Jew hater?
You can. The term is anti-semetic means the same thing. Why is this so
difficult for you to understand?
>
> >
> >> >> > Pretty kooky. And angry too, like Galloway and Icke are personal
> >> >> > friends
> >> >> > of yours or something.
> >> >> >
> >> >> I support free speech for everyone. Even Patrick. Even Pauline Hanson
> >> >> (I'm
> >> >> sure govshill is trolling this thread)
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> And looking back on it trolling is the wrong word. Watching....no what's
> >> the
> >> word? oh lurking!
> >>
> >> >
> >> > I have no idea who those people are, of course. And since I'm about to
> >> > go to bed, I guess I won't know for a while.
> >> >
> >> Go to bed?...Are you an aussie BDK? it's bed time for me but I go to bed
> >> early.
> >
> > It was like 530AM local time when I posted that, that's Eastern Standard
> > time, BTW. My normal bedtime is about then. I stopped fighting my night
> > owl nature a long time ago.
> >
> >>
> The joys of retirement. I can go to bed anytime as well. But that's not a
> good thing when your 26.
>
What makes you think I'm retired? I work 40 hours a week, just not from
9-5. LOng ago, before you were born, I worked jobs where I had to get up
at 6-7AM, and it literally about killed me. I never felt so bad in my
life. I swore after that, I would only work afternoons or nights.
Fighting my internal clock made getting up for grade and high school a
nightmare for me. I was sick all the time. When I went to college,
afternoons and night, suddenly I wasn't sick anymore, and felt great.
Funny how that worked.
I Always wanted to stay up all night. When I was a baby, I would stay up
all night and then try to sleep all day. My folks would keep me awake
all day to try to get me to sleep, and it never really worked. I
remember thinking one night when something happened to make us stay up
until 5AM, "Why aren't we doing this every night?" It felt right to stay
up until dawn. Still does.
Seon Ferguson
>> But it's censorship.
>
> And how exactly does that make the Canadian government "Fascist"?
>
>>
Any government that endorses censorship might not be fascist but they sure
don't support a free society.
>> >> >> >There's the "move to communist North Korea" line.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Well he doesn't seem to like free speech or like it when people
>> >> >> criticise
>> >> >> Israel. In North Korea they send anyone who disagrees with the
>> >> >> government
>> >> >> to
>> >> >> concentration camps, so maybe he would fit in there.
>> >> >
>> >> > So not letting someone into a country is the same as putting people
>> >> > in
>> >> > camps? There really is no gray area with you is there, it's totally
>> >> > black and white.
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> No it is not the same. But can't you see that everyone should have the
>> >> right
>> >> to an opinion or enter a country and speak his or her mind?
>> >
>> > No, most people don't want radicals of any kind to be allowed to enter
>> > their country. Would you be for allowing nazis free access to your
>> > country, anytime they want? How about anarchists, etc? Someone who is
>> > trying to organize terror attacks? There is a limit, right?
>> >
>> >
>> Yep there is a limit but George Galloway is not a radical/nazi or
>> terrorist.
>> Ok he may be a member of the extreme left but it's his right.
>
> Someone extreme right or left IS a radical!!
>
Well he is still harmless.
>> And the Canadians and others might lie about how he supports terrorist
>> organizations
>> but that is made up by people who don't like what he says and try to
>> discredit him.
>
> From what I've read, not much, he does.
>
You only read the articles by people who hate George Galloway because of his
political views. It is smear, that's all. Yes he does send supplies to Hamas
but it is so they will give those supplies to the people of the gaza strip.
He wouldn't have to do that if Israel would allow aid through.
People wouldn't elect him if he was. He even disagrees with 911 truthers.
Because it implies you are against the Jews because of their "race" and
against anyone in the Semitic race.
That's strange. I wonder if it's something to do with your internal clock. I
probably got the word wrong. But it's when you go on holiday to say Scotland
and your just not use to the hours and sleep during the day when you think
it's night. So maybe it has something to do with that?
BDK
seo...@gmail.com says...
>
>
> >> But it's censorship.
> >
> > And how exactly does that make the Canadian government "Fascist"?
> >
> >>
> Any government that endorses censorship might not be fascist but they sure
> don't support a free society.
Things are so special in Seonland.
>
> >> >> >> >There's the "move to communist North Korea" line.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Well he doesn't seem to like free speech or like it when people
> >> >> >> criticise
> >> >> >> Israel. In North Korea they send anyone who disagrees with the
> >> >> >> government
> >> >> >> to
> >> >> >> concentration camps, so maybe he would fit in there.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > So not letting someone into a country is the same as putting people
> >> >> > in
> >> >> > camps? There really is no gray area with you is there, it's totally
> >> >> > black and white.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> No it is not the same. But can't you see that everyone should have the
> >> >> right
> >> >> to an opinion or enter a country and speak his or her mind?
> >> >
> >> > No, most people don't want radicals of any kind to be allowed to enter
> >> > their country. Would you be for allowing nazis free access to your
> >> > country, anytime they want? How about anarchists, etc? Someone who is
> >> > trying to organize terror attacks? There is a limit, right?
> >> >
> >> >
> >> Yep there is a limit but George Galloway is not a radical/nazi or
> >> terrorist.
> >> Ok he may be a member of the extreme left but it's his right.
> >
> > Someone extreme right or left IS a radical!!
> >
> Well he is still harmless.
So you say. Some people, lots of them, disagree.
>
> >> And the Canadians and others might lie about how he supports terrorist
> >> organizations
> >> but that is made up by people who don't like what he says and try to
> >> discredit him.
> >
> > From what I've read, not much, he does.
> >
> You only read the articles by people who hate George Galloway because of his
> political views. It is smear, that's all. Yes he does send supplies to Hamas
> but it is so they will give those supplies to the people of the gaza strip.
> He wouldn't have to do that if Israel would allow aid through.
Yes, sure, blame the jews for it.
Bush got elected, twice.
A lot of them hate Arabs too, but you know, it's kind of an "enemy of my
enemy" thing.
No, my normal wake time is from around 12 noon until about 5AM. Anything
that goes against that be more than a couple hours either way screws me
all up. I get very sleepy when I go out in the sunlight in the morning,
it's almost impossible for me to stay awake, unless I'm doing something.
Just sitting there, and I'm gone..
Seon Ferguson
"BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
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I'm not blaming the Jews because Zionists are not the Jewish people. Just
like Republicans are not the American people. They are Jews against Zionism.
So that being explained, Israel and Egypt are the one's blocking
humanitarian aid into the gaza strip. Why can't they just check it and make
sure it is humanitarian aid? You know like checkpoints.
Yeah but a all powerful "news" origination was behind him. Twice. Plus Rush
Limbaugh and talk radio. When powerful people like that get behind a
politician the sheeple are going to stop thinking for themselves and elect
who the people in their living room tell them to elect. But of course you
will probably laugh at me and go "the kookside is calling"
Well I have nothing against the Jewish people or the Arab people. What I
hate is religious fundamentalism. I hate it when Jews say God gave Israel
this land and we should expel all non Jews, I hate Muslims who want to take
over the world and impose Sharia Law on all of us (including Jizya) or
Christian fundamentalists who bomb abortion clinics and want to bring on the
end times. That's one of the reasons I don't like religion btw that and the
whole "Were the one true path to God" thing.
What if you travel to another country, will it change?
BDK
seo...@gmail.com says...
They're trying to put pressure on the Pals to get their act together. I
personally think they should let aid go through, and make a very big
show out of it going through. And say outright, "One rocket, and it
stops again!" And of course, the many times multiplied retaliation when
the rockets come, and they will, it's as certain as the sun rising.
Seon. Please, stop and think for a second. Who is president now?
The muslims taking over the world is very unlikely to happen. Ever, but
especially in your lifetime.
You're talking about jet lag, a temporary thing. This isn't anything
like that. It's a daytime/nightime thing forever thing. The sun rises,
and sets at about the same local time everywhere. Basically, I do the
same thing as a vampire, going to sleep when the sun comes up, I just
don't get into a coffin, and get up in the early afternoon.
Does the sun rise at 5 PM in Australia? I don't think so.
Seon Ferguson
"BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
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If they say that they won't have to wait very long. See I criticize the
islamonazi group hamas as well.
Obaaaama but I was trying to explain how Bush got elected and why people
voted for him. But Obaaama is different! (obviously, that was sarcasm)
But they will continue to try to and hurt innocent people (the extremists
that is) but I don't see it happening this century. Not as long as they are
people who will stand up to radical Islam.
I never said Australia but I mean if you go to another country and get used
to its sleeping time will you be able to change? I know a lot of night owls
though I guess some people's bodies just like going to sleep early and some
like staying awake.
BDK
If there's a nuke attack, I think the result will be a lot more than
"stand up" to radical Islam. I could see things getting very bad, very
quickly, if people don't control themselves.
That's jet lag. I would soon be back on my 5AM bedtime schedule.
--
Seon Ferguson
"BDK" <TopS...@sanity.com> wrote in message
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Same here. I really hope it doesn't come to that but like you I can see the
anger a lot of Americans will feel and the desire to nuke the country that
supplied the terrorists who nuked them. Your right people just need to
control themselves and stop the madness. But sadly religious people can't
stand the fact that people like us choose not to belong to their insane
religion.
And also as I said I guess we are all wired in different ways (regarding
your body's clock).