Re: Spiritual Warfare 101
guardian Snow
There is some good wisdom in the writings of Paul that deals with
spiritual warfare.
2Ti 2:4 No one serving as a soldier gets involved in the affairs of
this life, in order to please only him who enlisted him as a soldier. :
5 And if anyone competes in a game, he is not crowned unless he
competes according to the rules.
Spiritual warfare is not personal.
Eph 6:12 Because we do not wrestle against flesh and blood
These things are more common sense but if it gives more authority to
you the reader, I quote the passages. Spiritual warfare has a lot in
common with firefighting. It has a triangle of elements that are
effected, Body, Mind and spirit. You must locate what the source of
the activity is and what type of fire or demon your dealing with. You
wouldn't use water on an electrical fire and you wouldn't just chant
scriptures to a floating man in black.
Here on the internet we probably come into contact with witches and
demonically inspired people almost daily or at least I do. I read a
lot more then I post and I don't normally respond when I see it.
At this moment the world is going into a new birth pain that is
spiritual in a Ungodly way. It's Christmas time and the television is
flooded with images of carnage instead of, "Miricle on 34th street"
and "It's a wonderful life." The occult is working over time and
Christians have little if any interest in getting there hands dirtied
with the stains of warfare but the dark forces are swarming in packs.
Put a cross post about Yeshua to alt.atheist and you'll get 5
responders spewing hatred and violence. Put a antichristian post on
the Christian web boards and you'll probably get ignored or the
trollers will post wild support or just more idiocy. By default
Christians are giving up without so much as a speedy refute that says:
"That post is full of lies... the scriptures say """
I'm sure there is some excuse, to busy or they just don't care. It's
not important or it has no effect. If it's to no effect then why
bother posting your views at all? Is this just a blog for you to rant
your personal problems?
Personally, I don't care if I get 100 negative 1 star post where the
atheist slander me for speaking the truth.
Mat 10:22 "And you shall be hated by all for My Name's sake. But he
who shall have endured to the end shall be saved.
Let me ask you all one question. How many of you since posting here
on the internet, have had a "change of heart" on your beliefs? Where
the words of other people stirred your belief and changed something
you use to except as written in stone. A watershed moment in your
life, where you learned something that forever changed you. Maybe you
even met a friend or your spouse or know somebody that did. The
internet has changed our lives and it's changed the way we communicate
to people forever, for good or bad there is no turning back. It's
here and it's not leaving tomorrow.
"We have the technology"
That which is in us is greater then that which is in the world. We can
be the very answer to somebody's problem but here's my problem.
Spiritual warfare is a huge topic and I need your help and your input.
I'm going to share some of my insights from my experience but let's
face it... No man is an island. I need help of my fellow believers. As
somebody posted earlier today... Fellowship is everything.
Mat 18:16 "But if he does not hear, take with you one or two more,
that 'by the mouth of two or three witnesses every word might be
established.'
We all know of areas in our life that are opening to spiritual
wickedness and this information needs to be discussed now. Our enemies
are surrounding us on all sides, we need to work together and I'm
asking Christians to make a stand...
*
As I go around the various message boards, I see one thing that is
flooding into all the different places, the filth of non-believers
flooding the believers with post after post of secular garbage.
Believers are making a critical mistake in either not responding or
responding with personal opinions.
> Thank you again for entertaining me with your comedy of errors, lies,
> deceit, and fairy tales.
> Apostle of Dr. Lao
I find that the atheist on a whole are first off, scared and rightly
so because you can almost smell the fear when it comes to issues of
the scriptures. they hate it when you put bible passages in a post and
to them it's practically a slap in the face.
When you consider they say it's a "fairy tale", you would think if
they really subscribed to that line of thought, they would just say..
Yes, I know.. but this.. they don't.. instead they get resentful and
angry.
> The density of your ignorance is not to be believed.
> How can someone be so stupid as to not understand that
> our spell casting and attempts at
> witchcraft, do not work here?
Clearly it shook him to the core of his belief that I wasn't going to
react to his childish behavior and demands that I show proof of
Elohim/
God. If he truly believed it was just a "fairy tale" he wouldn't have
responded with such hostility. Scriptures do NOT require us to give
"proof", only our witness to the Good News.
If I told you that Peter Pan came in the middle of the night, I
wouldn't accuse you of witchcraft and in that final statement, he
shows his fear of scriptures. It makes me curious to see how he will
react to some of the curses in Deuteronomy but at the behest of a
fellow believer, I ended my spiritual warfare, knowing it rattled them
all.
It made me consider that I should probably take it to them and just
start posting directly into alt.atheism instead of cross posting and
becoming the very thing I find annoying. I do want to say this... a
vast majority of you need to stop responding to the cues of the
atheist and leading the conversation rather then following.
Post those bible scriptures.
Remember what the bible says is the PERFECT example for dealing in the
realm of spiritual warfare and thats what this is... be aggressive and
put the scriptures.. learn from the example of our Master!
Mat 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live
by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of
God.
Mat 4:7 Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not
tempt the Lord thy God.
Mat 4:10 Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is
written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou
serve.
Whenever He was dealing with Satan, he said.. IT IS WRITTEN! Use the
scriptures! Take up your sword and take it to the aggressor. If more
believers took this tack, you'd see the non believers stop cross
posting knowing they are just going to get the holy words back and NOT
YOUR REACTION that they want.
Do give them ground to walk on... give them scriptures.
Visit alt.messianic for a more complete thread.
Shalom,
Snow
In war there is no substitute for victory. The world is in a constant
conspiracy against the brave. It's the age-old struggle: the roar of
the crowd on the one side, and the voice of your conscience on the
other. Build me a son, O Lord, who will be strong enough to know when
he is weak, and brave enough to face himself when he is afraid, one
who will be proud and unbending in honest defeat, and humble and
gentle in victory.
Douglas MacArthur
Barry OGrady
>Internet fellowship and spiritual warfare
>
> There is some good wisdom in the writings of Paul that deals with
>spiritual warfare.
Spiritual warfare doesn't actually exist. The concept was created to
distract people from real things.
Barry
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guardian Snow
> On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 05:40:22 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> >Internet fellowship and spiritual warfare
>
> > There is some good wisdom in the writings of Paul that deals with
> >spiritual warfare.
>
> Spiritual warfare doesn't actually exist. The concept was created to
> distract people from real things.
Please show me proof that nobody on planet earth is infected with
demons since of course you have a rational mind.
Can't do it? Thanks for playing.
1Sa 16:14 And the Spirit of יהוה turned aside from Sha’ul, and an evil
spirit from יהוה troubled him.
Jdg 9:23 and Elohim sent an evil spirit between Aḇimeleḵ and the
masters of Sheḵem. And the masters of Sheḵem acted treacherously
against Aḇimeleḵ,
Clearly you do not believe in the scriptures. Even the prophets spoke
of evil spirits.
Psa 106:37 And they slaughtered their sons And their daughters to
demons,
While your tag line claims your not an atheist, it wouldn't matter
what you subscribe as your belief to me since it's not scriptural.
Shalom,
Snow
Errors, to be dangerous, must have a great deal of truth mingled with
them. It is only from this alliance that they can ever obtain an
extensive circulation. What you don't know would make a great book.
Sydney Smith
Mark T
> Please show me proof that nobody on planet earth is infected with
> demons
Please show scientific and medical evidence that ANYONE has ever been
"infected with demons".
A Bible Verse Vomit is NOT proof.
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>Date written: Sun, 23 Dec 2007 03:22:56 -0800 (PST)
>MsgID:<cb3e2326-745b-42a8...@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com>
>> >Internet fellowship and spiritual warfare
>> > There is some good wisdom in the writings of Paul that deals with
>> >spiritual warfare.
>> Spiritual warfare doesn't actually exist. The concept was created to
>> distract people from real things.
>Please show me proof that nobody on planet earth is infected with
>demons since of course you have a rational mind.
What are the characteristics of non-existent things? They cannot be heard, seen,
smelt, tasted, or touched in any way, shape, or form. Since, by definition, the
spiritual realm is not of the physical realm and cannot be heard, seen, smelt,
tasted, or felt, there is no proof that demons exist outside of your poorly
thought out imaginations.
>Can't do it? Thanks for playing.
You are welcome.
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che...@flapper.net
wrote:
>"guardian Snow" wrote:
>
>
>> Please show me proof that nobody on planet earth is infected with
>> demons
>
>
>Please show scientific and medical evidence that ANYONE has ever been
>"infected with demons".
>
Right after you show us scientific and medical evidence that man ever
"evolved" from any other species. Go ahead, present your evidence.
But don't just vomit guesses and opinions, show us the EVIDENCE.
Checker (rotfl!)
Mark T
>>> Please show me proof that nobody on planet earth is infected with
>>> demons
>>Please show scientific and medical evidence that ANYONE has ever been
>>"infected with demons".
> Right after you show us scientific and medical evidence that man ever
> "evolved" from any other species. Go ahead, present your evidence.
Obviously, creationists such as yourself HAVEN'T evolved.
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che...@flapper.net
wrote:
><che...@flapper.net> wrote:
>
>>>> Please show me proof that nobody on planet earth is infected with
>>>> demons
>>>Please show scientific and medical evidence that ANYONE has ever been
>>>"infected with demons".
>> Right after you show us scientific and medical evidence that man ever
>> "evolved" from any other species. Go ahead, present your evidence.
>
>Obviously, creationists such as yourself HAVEN'T evolved.
>
In other words you are willing to ASSUME things not in fact, PRETEND
things to fit your "mold." It figures. You have nothing to offer but
snide pettiness. Too bad; I thought I might find something
intelligent from you.
Checker
Mark T
>>>>> Please show me proof that nobody on planet earth is infected with
>>>>> demons
>>>>Please show scientific and medical evidence that ANYONE has ever been
>>>>"infected with demons".
>>> Right after you show us scientific and medical evidence that man ever
>>> "evolved" from any other species. Go ahead, present your evidence.
>>Obviously, creationists such as yourself HAVEN'T evolved.
...
> You have nothing to offer but snide pettiness.
You should be out looking for talking snake bones, petrified pieces of the
ark, a drowned angel and a fossilised tree of life (both from the garden of
Eden), a crumbled tower of Babel and other creationist "evidence' that the
universe was created in 4004 BCE.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"LIFE ...and how to survive it" - Robin Skinner & John Cleese (Methuen;
London:1993)
p. 268
John: ... we poor teenagers were hearing sermons every Sunday so
breathtakingly half-witted that the only valid response was reading,
sleeping, or invading the pulpit.... Any God, I felt, who would seriously
approve of what was going on in that church would be out of his
infinitemind.
p. 270 - 271
John: So a religious idea will be interpreted by a person in a way that fits
in best with their existing psychology?
Robin: Yes, and it can therefore support them in functioning at the best
level they're capable of, given their limitations. ... Well, take people
functioning at the least healthy level first. They'll understand religion as
a collection of rules, of rewards and punishments, of threats andpromises,
all enfoced by a powerful and frightening God.
John: The extreme black-and-white thinking found in young children?
Robin: That's exactly what it is. The thinking of such people has got stuck
at that level, and though it's normal in a very young child, it's obviously
unhealthy in an adult. ...
John: And how is God experienced?Robin: He's seen as a terrifying,
domineering, bad-temprered dictator, who wants everyone to spend heir time
admiring him and telling him how marvellous he is. ... So naturally people
holding this view feel they have to do lots of things to keep Him sweet, so
that He won't get into a bad mood and blast them with thunderbolts, or
boils, or rivers of blood.
John: A little bit like the church congregation in "The Meaning of Life",
who, when invited to praise God, all chant 'Ooooh, you are so big', and 'You
're so tough and strong, you could beat anyone up, even the Devil', and
'We're really impressed don here' before singing Hymn 42 'Oh Lord, please
don't burn us'. I can remember as a nione-year-old, thinking that God
couldn't be so stupid that he wouldn't se through such blatant buttering up.
p. 275 - 276
John: So the way I can explain our position now is to say this: there are
different ways of following Christ - which correspond to different levels of
mental health - and therefore it's quite legitimate to make fun of the less
healthy ways, not least because they actually conflict with His teaching!
The Inquistion was not an example of 'Blessed are the meek'.
p. 277
Robin: ... I'll start at the bottom level again. As we said just now, for
the least healthy, religion is based on the kind of thinking typical of very
yopund children. And young children have difficulty distinguishing fantasy
from reality, wishes from deeds. So at this level, religion is valued as
magic - as a means of making wishes come true, without acknowledging
scientific laws and relationships of cause and effect.
John: You mean at this level we believe that we only have to repeat a prayer
of incantation, or perform some other prescribed routine, in order to make
the world do what we want.
Robin: Yes, and when you're thinking like this, whether or not youir wishes
come true seems to depend only on how strongly you believe in the procedure!
p. 287
John: Well, everything that you've been saying implies that [Fundamentalism]
is a manifestation of a fairly low level of mental health, doesn't it? For a
start, Fundamentalists call for a literal interpretation of scripture, and
as we saw when we were discussing secular values, focusing in on the letter
of the law is a characteristic of the less healthy. In addition, wise people
tend not to exhibit literal mindedness, so it seems singularly inappropriate
to assume that this is the vein in which great spiritual teahers are
speaking. Then again, whether we're talking about Christianity, Islam,
Judaism or Hinduism, the values of Fundamentalists seem aimed at making
themselves feel better by placing all negative and destructive emotions in
people with different beliefs, and enjoying the golden glow of
self-justification that results. ... You know that simile: 'As rare as a
Fundamentalist who loves his enemy.' ... the Inquisition did largely miss
the point of 'Love Thy Neighbour', didn't they? Wasn't burning heretics
'worse' than being tolerant towards them? ...
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che...@flapper.net
wrote:
><che...@flapper.net> wrote:
>
>>>>>> Please show me proof that nobody on planet earth is infected with
>>>>>> demons
>>>>>Please show scientific and medical evidence that ANYONE has ever been
>>>>>"infected with demons".
>>>> Right after you show us scientific and medical evidence that man ever
>>>> "evolved" from any other species. Go ahead, present your evidence.
>>>Obviously, creationists such as yourself HAVEN'T evolved.
>...
>> You have nothing to offer but snide pettiness.
>
>You should be out looking for talking snake bones, petrified pieces of the
>ark, a drowned angel and a fossilised tree of life (both from the garden of
>Eden), a crumbled tower of Babel and other creationist "evidence' that the
>universe was created in 4004 BCE.
More pettiness, but no evidence at all that man has ever evolved from
any other species.
You cannot produce the evidence, so you try to hop to a different
subject.
It figures.
Checker
Mark T
>>>>>>> Please show me proof that nobody on planet earth is infected with
>>>>>>> demons
>>>>>>Please show scientific and medical evidence that ANYONE has ever been
>>>>>>"infected with demons".
>>>>> Right after you show us scientific and medical evidence that man ever
>>>>> "evolved" from any other species. Go ahead, present your evidence.
>>>>Obviously, creationists such as yourself HAVEN'T evolved.
>>...
>>> You have nothing to offer but snide pettiness.
>>
>>You should be out looking for talking snake bones, petrified pieces of the
>>ark, a drowned angel and a fossilised tree of life (both from the garden
>>of
>>Eden), a crumbled tower of Babel and other creationist "evidence' that the
>>universe was created in 4004 BCE.
...
> It figures.
Amen!
Dear Trew Kristyun che...@flopper.nut
Kissy kissy! Now you pucker up and greet me with a kiss. (Romans 6:16;
1Corinthians 16:20; 2 Corinthians13:12; I Thessalonians 5:26; 1 Peter 5:14.)
I am refreshed and challenged by your unique point of view. You make silence
a wonderful thing to look forward to. However I took exception to your
recent scribble
It was:
[X] backmasked with Satanic messages
[X] Pagan
[X] New Age
[X] unChristian
[X] Secular Humanist
[X] written in King James English
[X] written in tongues and did not include the interpretation
Your attention is drawn to the fact that:
[X] You flamed the Archbishop of Canterbury
[X] You flamed the Pope
[X] You flamed God
[X] You contradicted Jesus
[X] You contradicted yourself several times
[X] You mindlessly chanted the Pente Mantra several times
[X] You repeatedly assumed unwarranted spiritual, moral or intellectual
superiority
It is recommended that you:
[X] Buy an indulgence from me.
[X] Send me a triple tithe.
[X] Do penance.
[X] Devote your life to missionary work in Iraq and Afghanistan.
[X] Start up a Christian Clown Ministry
[X] Start up a Kristyun Skool
QUESTIONS TO UNDERSTAND YOU BETTER:
[X] Jesus said in Matthew 5:42, "Give to him that asketh thee, and from
him that would borrow of thee turn not thou away." May I have your house
and car and may I borrow your most prized possession?
[X] Can I have your car after the Rapture?
[X] Have you ever sinned by eating rabbit, pork, shellfish (Leviticus 11:4,
7, 10)?
[X] Have you ever sinned by wearing clothes made of two types of material
(Leviticus 19:19; Deuteronomy 22:11)?
[X] Have you ever sinned by cutting your hair (Leviticus 19:27)?
[X] Were you in the special class at school?
[X] Are you from the shallow end of the gene pool?
[X] Do you want fries with that?
Please save this message and review it occasionally to determine your
progress toward being;
[X] a tolerable Trew Kristyun
[X] a fully-functional human being
[X] integrated into humanity
[X] re-integrated into the wild
If what you don't know can't hurt you, you're practically invulnerable.
Thank you for taking the time to read this flame form.
Remember: Always carry your Trew Kristyun Poop Stick ....Deuteronomy
23:12 -13 "You are to have a place outside the camp where you can go when
you need to relieve yourselves. Carry a stick as a part of your equipment,
so when you have a bowel movement you can dig a hole and cover it up."
guardian Snow
> Amen!
>
> Dear Trew Kristyun chec...@flopper.nut
>
> Kissy kissy! Now you pucker up and greet me with a kiss. (Romans 6:16;
> 1Corinthians 16:20; 2 Corinthians13:12; I Thessalonians 5:26; 1 Peter 5:14.)
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since the time I came in.
Shalom,
Snow
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mistakes. Only when I fall do I get up again.
Vincent Van Gogh
Barry OGrady
>On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:25:33 +1100, "Mark T" <moi@home000whatever111>
>wrote:
>
>>"guardian Snow" wrote:
>>
>>
>>> Please show me proof that nobody on planet earth is infected with
>>> demons
>>
>>
>>Please show scientific and medical evidence that ANYONE has ever been
>>"infected with demons".
>>
>Right after you show us scientific and medical evidence that man ever
>"evolved" from any other species. Go ahead, present your evidence.
The very fact that we are mammals with the same basic construction
and emotions as other mammals does strongly suggest we evolved.
There may have been a stupid and cruel creator but there certain was
not intelligent design.
>But don't just vomit guesses and opinions, show us the EVIDENCE.
History shows that your magical creator God is just one of many.
>Checker (rotfl!)
Barry OGrady
>On Dec 23, 8:37 pm, Barry OGrady <god_free_jo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 05:40:22 -0800 (PST), guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.n=
>et.au> wrote:
>> >Internet fellowship and spiritual warfare
>>
>> > There is some good wisdom in the writings of Paul that deals with
>> >spiritual warfare.
>>
>> Spiritual warfare doesn't actually exist. The concept was created to
>> distract people from real things.
>
>Please show me proof that nobody on planet earth is infected with
>demons since of course you have a rational mind.
I suggest you research developments in medical science.
>Can't do it? Thanks for playing.
No rational person believes in demons.
>1Sa 16:14 And the Spirit of turned aside from Sha, and an evil
>spirit from troubled him.
>Jdg 9:23 and Elohim sent an evil spirit between imelek and the
>masters of Shekem. And the masters of Shekem acted treacherously
>against imelek
>
>Clearly you do not believe in the scriptures. Even the prophets spoke
>of evil spirits.
>
>Psa 106:37 And they slaughtered their sons And their daughters to
>demons,
Even Christians who do believe the scriptures no longer believe in
demons.
>While your tag line claims your not an atheist, it wouldn't matter
>what you subscribe as your belief to me since it's not scriptural.
It's not rational to prefer scripture over reality.
>Snow
Barry OGrady
Mark is not intelligent.
>Checker
guardian Snow
> I suggest you research developments in medical science.
I suggest you research the power of prayer in medical science.
> No rational person believes in demons.
By your statement then no rational person believes the bible and you
are in fact calling anybody that does irrational. I say no rational
person believes that man is "evolved by chance", that there is not
intelligent design and no rational person believes the big bang
religion. I also think that no rational person believes a man came
from monkeys which down some imaginary chain came from rocks.
> Even Christians who do believe the scriptures no longer believe in
> demons.
Thats a pretty lame statement because the scriptures speak of demons.
How can you believe the scriptures and not believe what they speak of?
> It's not rational to prefer scripture over reality.
It's not rational to assume you know what is reality for anybody but
yourself. You can give no evidences to the contrary and assume that
your lack of faith is rational but in fact, while I believe
scriptures, you believe in the writings of Darwin as your God and
bible. Darwin's book was about slavery and domination and led
directly to the slaughter of millions by Adolph Hitler and you call
that rational, I disagree.
Shalom,
Snow
che...@flapper.net
<god_fre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:02:09 -0700, che...@flapper.net wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:25:33 +1100, "Mark T" <moi@home000whatever111>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>"guardian Snow" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Please show me proof that nobody on planet earth is infected with
>>>> demons
>>>
>>>
>>>Please show scientific and medical evidence that ANYONE has ever been
>>>"infected with demons".
>>>
>>Right after you show us scientific and medical evidence that man ever
>>"evolved" from any other species. Go ahead, present your evidence.
>
>The very fact that we are mammals with the same basic construction
>and emotions as other mammals does strongly suggest we evolved.
>There may have been a stupid and cruel creator but there certain was
>not intelligent design.
Guesses and opinions, but no EVIDENCE so far.
Barry OGrady
>On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 20:52:02 +1100, Barry OGrady
><god_fre...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 14:02:09 -0700, che...@flapper.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 09:25:33 +1100, "Mark T" <moi@home000whatever111>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>"guardian Snow" wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> Please show me proof that nobody on planet earth is infected with
>>>>> demons
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Please show scientific and medical evidence that ANYONE has ever been
>>>>"infected with demons".
>>>>
>>>Right after you show us scientific and medical evidence that man ever
>>>"evolved" from any other species. Go ahead, present your evidence.
>>
>>The very fact that we are mammals with the same basic construction
>>and emotions as other mammals does strongly suggest we evolved.
>>There may have been a stupid and cruel creator but there certain was
>>not intelligent design.
>
>Guesses and opinions, but no EVIDENCE so far.
I'm not a strong supporter of evolution. I just think it seems likely given the
fact we are mammals and we have the same problems and limitations as
other mammals. I don't believe the big bang happened. Nobody knows how
or even if everything began.
>>>But don't just vomit guesses and opinions, show us the EVIDENCE.
It seems the evidence for evolution is so overwhelming the majority of
Christians accept it.
Where is your evidence for a magical creator God?
Mark T
>> I suggest you research developments in medical science.
> I suggest you research the power of prayer in medical science.
How many AIDS victims have been cured by prayer????
NONE!!!
Not one single documented cure by prayer in thousands of cases!
It is not the only disease with a 0% cure rate by prayer.
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Barry OGrady
>On Dec 26, 8:52 pm, Barry OGrady <god_free_jo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> I suggest you research developments in medical science.
>
>I suggest you research the power of prayer in medical science.
>
>> No rational person believes in demons.
>By your statement then no rational person believes the bible and you
>are in fact calling anybody that does irrational. I say no rational
>person believes that man is "evolved by chance", that there is not
>intelligent design and no rational person believes the big bang
>religion. I also think that no rational person believes a man came
>from monkeys which down some imaginary chain came from rocks.
I don't know anybody who believes all those things. I don't believe
the big bang happened. Nobody knows how or if everything began.
Any designer would be embarrassed by the flaws in nature. Evolution
fits what we observe, that we are mammals.
>> Even Christians who do believe the scriptures no longer believe in
>> demons.
>
>Thats a pretty lame statement because the scriptures speak of demons.
>How can you believe the scriptures and not believe what they speak of?
That's a good point. The few Christians who do believe the scriptures
are called fundamentalists and are rejected by the majority. It could
be said that only the fundamentalists are true Christians.
>> It's not rational to prefer scripture over reality.
>
>It's not rational to assume you know what is reality for anybody but
>yourself. You can give no evidences to the contrary and assume that
>your lack of faith is rational but in fact, while I believe
>scriptures, you believe in the writings of Darwin as your God and
>bible. Darwin's book was about slavery and domination and led
>directly to the slaughter of millions by Adolph Hitler and you call
>that rational, I disagree.
The majority of Christians disagree with you. Most Christians have
enough sense to see that the bible was written by people with
almost no knowledge of science and cosmology.
guardian Snow
Barry, while I disagree with the findings of your argument, I
completely respect your style and manner of approach to the topic.
I will humbly agree to disagree with you because I take it as a matter
of faith and this is something I can provide no evidence of outside of
scriptures by my words to you. My witness to faith is all I can stand
on and your logic stands by you.
I respect your understanding and thank you for your objective input
and look forward to hearing from you in the future. I think faith
must always stand alone but a person such as yourself, should inject
outside opinions.
I'm grateful for you.
Shalom,
Snow
guardian Snow
Thats because He has his own religion that he made up.
Shalom,
Snow
The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be
sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.
Nikola Tesla
Kope
the
clash of civilization.
http://www.xanga.com/hfghj23458654fgha
white-race put six millions jews in gas- chamber, white-race must pay
for their crime to jews with land not palestinian.
guardian Snow
> > On Dec 26, 2:35 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> >> On Dec 26, 6:50 pm, DEE <adravi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > On Dec 26, 1:40 am, guardian Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> >> > > On Dec 26, 10:21 am, "Mark T" <moi@home000whatever137> wrote:
>
> >> > > > > I'm not feeling the love 'mate!
>
> >> > > > That's because you're addicted to fundamentalist Trew Kristyun
> >> > > > Luv.
>
> >> > > > You have issues.
>
> >> > > You a coward and I'll tell you why. You run around claiming to
> >> > > be Christian but every person you attack is a Christian. You
> >> > > claim some general faith in Elohim but deny all the scriptures.
> >> > > You say you like Americans but say:
>
> >> > > >The further you go South in the USA the more fundamentalist,
> >> > > >racist, sexist, intolerate, gun obsessed and war mongering Yanks
> >> > > >seem to be. What states were JFK and Martin Luther King shot in?
> >> > > >Look at who you voted for as your President! George W. is as
> >> > > >dangerous as Tricky Dicky "I'm Not A Crook" Nixon. "In Oil We
> >> > > >Trust".
>
> >> > > Everything about you is nothing but pure hypocrite Mr Tindall!
> >> > > In the other thread you prayed the Lord to "take me away" and
> >> > > then two post later you stated:
>
> >> > > >I don't want to kill Christians, Jews or Moslems .. and this is
> >> > > >the anniversary of the Six Day War.
>
> >> > > And the dumbest thing of all:
>
> >> > > >Bono isn't a universalist ... he's a Christian.
>
> >> > > U2 song: Wake up dead man
> >> > > Jesus
> >> > > Jesus help me
> >> > > I`m alone in this world
> >> > > And a fucked up world it is too
> >> > > Tell me
> >> > > Tell me the story
> >> > > The one about eternity
> >> > > And the way it`s all gonna be
> >> > > Wake up
> >> > > Wake up dead man
> >> > > Wake up
> >> > > Wake up dead man
>
> >> > > I don't know any Christians that think Jesus is a Dead Man.
>
> >> > > Shalom,
>
> >> > > Snow
>
> >> > > We thought that we had the answers, it was the questions we had
> >> > > wrong. Bono
>
> >> < The dead man may mean everyone else.The song "40" is based om Psalm
> >> 40
>
> >> Maybe but then wouldn't he say "wake up dead MEN". The song uses the
> >> singular and reflect that Jesus is Dead. Now Psalm 40 the song.
>
> >> How long to sing this song?
> >> How long to sing this song?
> >> How long, how long
> >> How long, how long to sing this song?
>
> >> "Based on" gives no credit and in my opinion the song is mocking the
> >> Lord.
>
> >> He uses this:
>
> >> Psa 40:1 ... I waited patiently for the LORD; and he inclined unto
> >> me, and heard my cry.
> >> Psa 40:2 He brought me up also out of a horrible pit, out of the
> >> miry clay, and set my feet upon a rock, and established my goings.
> >> Psa 40:3 And he hath put a new song in my mouth, many shall see it,
> >> and fear,
>
> >> And cuts out the most important part of the verses:
>
> >> 3: even praise unto our God:
> >> and shall trust in the LORD.
> >> Psa 40:4 Blessed is that man that maketh the LORD his trust, and
> >> respecteth not the proud, nor such as turn aside to lies.
>
> >> I don't consider it a Christian song that takes out the praise and
> >> trust, sorry.
> >> Jesus help me
> >> I`m alone in this world
> >> And a fucked up world it is too
> >> Tell me
> >> Tell me the story
> >> The one about eternity
> >> And the way it`s all gonna be
> >> Wake up
> >> Wake up dead man
> >> Wake up
> >> Wake up dead man
> >> ---------
> >> I don't know any Christians that think Jesus is a Dead Man or use
> >> those foul words in a song about the Messiah.
>
> >> Shalom,
>
> >> Snow
>
> >> We were looking for a 'good shepherd,' and instead we got a German
> >> shepherd.
> >> Pope Benedict XVI
>
> > why dont you write them and ask if thats what they meant.I havent
> > dealt deep into the religeous beliefs of U2, as it is their music I
> > like.I am sorry I brought it up, wow
>
> please do not be sorry, many thanks
I really don't understand you and maybe if you added more details to
your post, I would. I'd like to understand.
Shalom,
Snow
A simple grateful thought turned heavenwards is the most perfect
prayer.
Doris Lessing
Debra
Can you please quote the TANAKH on "spiritual warfare"
Debra
Debra
You didn't give him a chance tor respond...You just automatically said
he couldn't do it and thanks for playing...and that again those
examples are YHWH sending the spirit upon the man.
Debra
Debra
> "guardian Snow" <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> >> I suggest you research developments in medical science.
> > I suggest you research the power of prayer in medical science.
>
> How many AIDS victims have been cured by prayer????
>
> NONE!!!
>
> Not one single documented cure by prayer in thousands of cases!
>
> It is not the only disease with a 0% cure rate by prayer.
>
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> "Really! �Try to believe even if it's bloody stupid and irrational." - Mark
> 17:2 (MTV)
> "Why? �Because I said so, that's why! �Don't ask questions. �Just
> believe." - Mark 17:3 �(MTV)
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That is interesting...
Debra
Mark T
>> How many AIDS victims have been cured by prayer????
>> NONE!!!
>> Not one single documented cure by prayer in thousands of cases!
>> It is not the only disease with a 0% cure rate by prayer.
...
> That is interesting...
Yep! There have been Christians who have died with AIDS through blood
tranfusions, needle stick injuries, etc. All prayed for!
Herein is a difference between Christians and Jews (from what I understand).
Christian prayer is telling God what to do - make them better. "The bible
says so therefore God MUST act in this way." If a sick person is prayed for
there are only three scenarios.
1. The sick person gets better so "God did it" even if was because of the
medicine or surgery.
2. The sick person dies so "God wanted them home with Him"
3. The sick person remains sick so "God is teaching them a lesson".
Whereas Jewish prayers for the sick seem to be about the person being able
to cope with the situation and remain faithful to God.
I don't understand why there is evil and good people suffer but I equally
know that telling God what to do is not appropriate.
Does God have a set number of people who have to pray before He acts? Does
God have a measurement of faith that must be reached before He heals
someone? I don't think so.
I think the point is that whether one lives or dies or remains sick that one
remains in relationship with the One God. That is of primary importance.
The rest will pass and all people die sometime.
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