Evolution Fairy Tale site updated, finally!
Fred M. Williams
in. Sorry for the delay, I know I promised this over a month ago.
The new series is Natural Selection, and it ridicules you evo-babblers
who think natural selection drives evolution!
http://www.polnow.net/fredmw/fairytale/
Fred Williams
Rev Chuck
>
> Sir Otto Bahn wrote:
> >
> > Tommy T-Rex wrote:
> > >
> > > The site looks great to me. Keep up the good work.
> >
> > Yeah, an Xtian idiot crossposting his announcement of
> > an assinine site full of BS is a fucking monumental event
> > indeed. Worship it as you see fit, but be forewarned
> > there may be some hallucinogenic mushrooms growing on
> > the cow dung.
> >
> > OB
>
> You can't possibly hope to win converts to your side with such words. I
> think what you're trying to do is provoke christians into responding
> angrily, so that you can say, "See -- they're not full of love after
> all!" And that, you hope, will lose christian converts.
>
> I think I'll decline the bait.
>
> Joe Schembrie
> The Space Pioneers
> http://cybooks.com/spion
You might be considering the tobacco companies' side of the argument,
that their product is safe, fashionable, enjoyable, makes you look
"sexy," and hell, just plain tastes fucking great. If you buy this,
then by all means take up smoking. Never mind the Surgeon General's
warnings. Ignore them. They're just there to put you off. Joe Camel
is your friend.
--
Nothing says you're insane like prayer.
Rev Chuck, Alt.Atheism #203, Ordained Reverend, ULC, 17 March, 1997.
Remove -REMOVE_THIS- from address to respond.
Rev Chuck
>
> Sir Otto Bahn <JGA...@khepburn.mc.duke.edu> wrote in message
> news:379CC6...@khepburn.mc.duke.edu..
> > Joe Schembrie wrote:
> > >
> > > Sir Otto Bahn wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Tommy T-Rex wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > The site looks great to me. Keep up the good work.
> > > >
> > > > Yeah, an Xtian idiot crossposting his announcement of
> > > > an assinine site full of BS is a fucking monumental event
> > > > indeed. Worship it as you see fit, but be forewarned
> > > > there may be some hallucinogenic mushrooms growing on
> > > > the cow dung.
> > >
> > > think what you're trying to do is provoke christians into responding
> > > angrily, so that you can say, "See -- they're not full of love after
> > > all!" And that, you hope, will lose christian converts.
> >
> > converts? Your Xtian bias is showing; I have no intention
> > of having a discussion with anyone who takes that crap
> > seriously, much less "win" "converts".
> >
> > I am not responsible for what happens when Xtians post to
> > alt.atheism.satire. Be forewarned it may contain -- you
> > guessed it -- some atheism and some satire.
> >
> > > I think I'll decline the bait.
> >
> > giving him a lobotomy.
> >
> > OB
>
> Xtians cannot conceive of anyone *not* trying to covert others to a certain
> way of thinking. Being brainwashed and told to go forth and brainwash, they
> assume everybody else is doing the same thing.
IOW, Joe here just demonstrated what "projection" means?
> --
> "If Christians were Christians, there would be no anti-Semitism.
> Jesus was a Jew. There is nothing that the ordinary Christian so dislikes
> to remember as this awkward historical fact."-- John Haynes Holmes,1933
St. Jackanape
news:3797fe9a...@news.polnow.net...
Thanks Fred!
....Actually it doesn't ridicule evolution at all. From the impression I got
it makes you, and the rest of the creationists, look like huge brainless
monkeys. Shame you spent so much time on it.
--
Saint Jackanape
ULC Ordained Minister since 1999
If Jesus Christ came back today and saw what was being done in his name,
he'd never stop throwing up.
Tommy T-Rex
Tommy T-Rex
St. Jackanape <st_jac...@hellmail.zzn.com> wrote in message
news:zBTm3.719$jB5.85450@viper...
Sir Otto Bahn
>
> The site looks great to me. Keep up the good work.
Yeah, an Xtian idiot crossposting his announcement of
an assinine site full of BS is a fucking monumental event
indeed. Worship it as you see fit, but be forewarned
there may be some hallucinogenic mushrooms growing on
the cow dung.
OB
Medieval Knievel
St. Jackanape <st_jac...@hellmail.zzn.com> wrote in message
news:zBTm3.719$jB5.85450@viper...
> Fred M. Williams <fredmw...@polnow.net> wrote in message
> news:3797fe9a...@news.polnow.net...
> > Well, it took a while but the artwork I was waiting for finally came
> > in. Sorry for the delay, I know I promised this over a month ago.
> >
> > The new series is Natural Selection, and it ridicules you evo-babblers
> > who think natural selection drives evolution!
> >
> > http://www.polnow.net/fredmw/fairytale/
Looks like what happens when someone has just enough science education to
mangle concepts and not enough education to understand them. Lot of straw
wasted on this strawman site.
Bet the prick is proud of himself, when he looks like an idiot to those of
us who have an actual grasp of science.
--
Choosy Mothers Choose Medieval Knievel
remove NOSPAM from my e-mail address to reply
ICQ # 26667824 ULC Ordained Minister
a.a. #1552
bobp...@concentric.net
Real Fundie humor at its ( yes, this is spelled correctly !!) best.
Squished critters, exploding giraffes, wolf popcicles.
and the evolution of the ( ta-da) JOCK STRAP
St. Jackanape <st_jac...@hellmail.zzn.com> wrote in message
news:zBTm3.719$jB5.85450@viper...
> Fred M. Williams <fredmw...@polnow.net> wrote in message
> news:3797fe9a...@news.polnow.net...
> > Well, it took a while but the artwork I was waiting for finally came
> > in. Sorry for the delay, I know I promised this over a month ago.
> >
> > The new series is Natural Selection, and it ridicules you evo-babblers
> > who think natural selection drives evolution!
> >
> > http://www.polnow.net/fredmw/fairytale/
> >
Joe Schembrie
You can't possibly hope to win converts to your side with such words. I
think what you're trying to do is provoke christians into responding
angrily, so that you can say, "See -- they're not full of love after
all!" And that, you hope, will lose christian converts.
I think I'll decline the bait.
Joe Schembrie
St. Jackanape
Joe Schembrie <jsche...@astrotug.com> wrote in message
news:379CB1...@astrotug.com...
Most people already know that Christians are not full of love. See your own
Mr. Pseudo-Science's comments about "Shutting up evo-babblers. The love in
that comment was obvious to say the least. Christians have been showing
their odd brand of "love" for almost 2000 years. Inquisitions, and more
recently your very own Rev. Fallwell's "love" campaign against Homosexuals &
Lesbians, and generally anyone who doesn't fit his idea of what people
should be like. Falwell would bring back the Inquisition in a heartbeat if
it weren't for people like us to stop his madness. Christians are
hypocrites, and you & Mr. Pseudo-Science are glaring examples and I don't
need to goad either of you to show your true colors just to call you names.
I can do that without you throwing a Xtian tantrum you fucking Xtian
shit-for-brains.
Medieval Knievel
St. Jackanape <st_jac...@hellmail.zzn.com> wrote in message
news:7O2n3.794$jB5.90287@viper...
> Most people already know that Christians are not full of love. See your
own
> Mr. Pseudo-Science's comments about "Shutting up evo-babblers. The love in
> that comment was obvious to say the least. Christians have been showing
> their odd brand of "love" for almost 2000 years.
Most members of the KKK thought they were good xians. Good xians committed
genocide against the indigenous peoples of North America.
Whenever anyone opens their mouth to profess what a good xian they are, I
know that I am dealing with a liar, thief, cheat, and potential murderer
under the correct circumstances, It's a functional definition of xianity.
St. Jackanape
> Joe Schembrie wrote:
> >
> > Sir Otto Bahn wrote:
> > >
> > > Tommy T-Rex wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The site looks great to me. Keep up the good work.
> > >
> > > Yeah, an Xtian idiot crossposting his announcement of
> > > an assinine site full of BS is a fucking monumental event
> > > indeed. Worship it as you see fit, but be forewarned
> > > there may be some hallucinogenic mushrooms growing on
> > > the cow dung.
> >
> > think what you're trying to do is provoke christians into responding
> > angrily, so that you can say, "See -- they're not full of love after
> > all!" And that, you hope, will lose christian converts.
>
> converts? Your Xtian bias is showing; I have no intention
> of having a discussion with anyone who takes that crap
> seriously, much less "win" "converts".
>
> I am not responsible for what happens when Xtians post to
> alt.atheism.satire. Be forewarned it may contain -- you
> guessed it -- some atheism and some satire.
>
>
> giving him a lobotomy.
>
> OB
Xtians cannot conceive of anyone *not* trying to covert others to a certain
way of thinking. Being brainwashed and told to go forth and brainwash, they
assume everybody else is doing the same thing.
Sir Otto Bahn
WarFrost
8=> You can't possibly hope to win converts to your side with
8=> such words.
Oh, well, SHIT, guys, look what you did - you had to spout off when Joey
here was on duty, and now you've allowed him to decipher our master plan.
How the hell are we EVER going to win over all the mindless sheep to our
cause now? All the time we've spent plotting to augment our ranks with
legions of drones has completely gone to waste. *sniff* (a tear of
disappointment rolls slowly down one disillusioned cheek...)
8=> I think what you're trying to do is provoke christians into
8=> responding angrily, so that you can say, "See -- they're
8=> not full of love after all!"
Joey, you are REALLY on the ball - we needed evidence to attest to the
spiteful nature of christianity. Thanks to your vigilance, we're now denied
that as well. You really are too good for us, you christian soldier, you.
8=> And that, you hope, will lose christian converts.
Your statement is a little unclear; if you mean we'll fail to convert people
from christiantiy...what a fucking pity. If, on the other hand, you meant
that we'll lose people who have already converted to christianity, then I
submit to you that anyone who has converted to christianity is, by
definition, already lost. }:)
Have a nice day.
--
"Opiates are the Mass of my Religion."
- From "The Rant of the SubGenius"
rudr...@celtic.slaughter
wrote:
>Sir Otto Bahn wrote:
>>
>> Tommy T-Rex wrote:
>> >
>> > The site looks great to me. Keep up the good work.
>>
>> Yeah, an Xtian idiot crossposting his announcement of
>> an assinine site full of BS is a fucking monumental event
>> indeed. Worship it as you see fit, but be forewarned
>> there may be some hallucinogenic mushrooms growing on
>> the cow dung.
>>
>> OB
>
>You can't possibly hope to win converts to your side with such words. I
>think what you're trying to do is provoke christians into responding
>angrily, so that you can say, "See -- they're not full of love after
>all!" And that, you hope, will lose christian converts.
>
>I think I'll decline the bait.
>
>Joe Schembrie
>The Space Pioneers
>http://cybooks.com/spion
Ignorant trailer trash asswipe. Most atheists couldn't give a shit about
"converting" people. That's the way of the Evil Chistian Consortium. As to
declining the bait ... <sound of annoying buzzer> Too late! You rose to the
bait, you responded. Big deal.
Pope Rudraigh
ULC Ordained Minister since 1984
Rudraigh for President in '04
http://www.slip.net/~rudraigh/home.html
"I'm all alone. flame me alone.
I'm from the land of Moo Jung Chark." YJK, 7/25/99
Don Brinn
Selection is not the driving force of evolution will "shut up
evo-babblers". I mean, I agree with the scientific facts (there were a
couple) on the website. It does seem that Natural Selection itself
cannot drive evolution, at least not as the fossil and genetic records
indicate that evolution proceded. So what? I'd say Natural Selection
combined with spontaneous and random mutations TOGETHER are the driving
force of evolution. One can occasionally create fitter genes, and the
other can weed out the less fit. So is this an important scientific
point? Yes. Is it important to "shutting up evo-babblers"? No. Showing
that the role of Natural Selection in evolution is not what some people
may have assumed it was does not in any way disprove evolution.
As an aside, even if you COULD disprove evolution, or show it to be
unlikely, or present some better scientific theory, that would still
have no bearing on atheism.
"St. Jackanape" wrote:
>
> Fred M. Williams <fredmw...@polnow.net> wrote in message
> news:3797fe9a...@news.polnow.net...
> > Well, it took a while but the artwork I was waiting for finally came
> > in. Sorry for the delay, I know I promised this over a month ago.
> >
> > The new series is Natural Selection, and it ridicules you evo-babblers
> > who think natural selection drives evolution!
> >
> > http://www.polnow.net/fredmw/fairytale/
> >
> > Fred Williams
> >
>
> Thanks Fred!
> ....Actually it doesn't ridicule evolution at all. From the impression I got
> it makes you, and the rest of the creationists, look like huge brainless
> monkeys. Shame you spent so much time on it.
> --
> Saint Jackanape
> ULC Ordained Minister since 1999
> If Jesus Christ came back today and saw what was being done in his name,
> he'd never stop throwing up.
------------------------------------------------
Don
Ontario, Canada
------------------------------------------------
"Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur."
(Whatever is said in Latin sounds profound.)
Earle Jones
>On Mon, 26 Jul 1999 12:06:23 -0700, Joe Schembrie <jsche...@astrotug.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Sir Otto Bahn wrote:
>>>
>>> Tommy T-Rex wrote:
>>> >
>>> > The site looks great to me. Keep up the good work.
>>>
>>> Yeah, an Xtian idiot crossposting his announcement of
>>> an assinine site full of BS is a fucking monumental event
>>> indeed. Worship it as you see fit, but be forewarned
>>> there may be some hallucinogenic mushrooms growing on
>>> the cow dung.
>>>
>>> OB
>>
>>You can't possibly hope to win converts to your side with such words....
[...]
--
Although it is near impossible for you to understand, I don't think he is
trying to convert anybody. No atheist that I know is going about trying
to convert people.
Unlike you tiresome Christers who ring my doorbell on a Saturday morning
with your pathetic little handouts.
Screw you and your god, too.
earle
--
"I am myself a dissenter from all known religions, and I hope that every
kind of religious belief will die out. I do not believe that, on the
balance, religious belief has been a force for good. I regard it as
belonging to the infancy of human reason, and to a stage of development
which we are outgrowing."
--Lord Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)
__
__/\_\
/\_\/_/
\/_/\_\ earle
\/_/ jones
Handgun murders in 1996:
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Earle Jones
<dkb...@ist.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
>Actually, personal beliefs aside, I don't see how proving that Natural
>Selection is not the driving force of evolution will "shut up
>evo-babblers". I mean, I agree with the scientific facts (there were a
>couple) on the website. It does seem that Natural Selection itself
>cannot drive evolution, at least not as the fossil and genetic records
>indicate that evolution proceded. So what? I'd say Natural Selection
>combined with spontaneous and random mutations TOGETHER are the driving
>force of evolution. One can occasionally create fitter genes, and the
>other can weed out the less fit. So is this an important scientific
>point? Yes. Is it important to "shutting up evo-babblers"? No. Showing
>that the role of Natural Selection in evolution is not what some people
>may have assumed it was does not in any way disprove evolution.
>As an aside, even if you COULD disprove evolution, or show it to be
>unlikely, or present some better scientific theory, that would still
>have no bearing on atheism.
>
--
Exactly! If the theory of evolution were disproved tomorrow, and if all
of the world's scientists agreed that it had been disproved, it would say
nothing about God, nor the "creationist" idea.
However, when a theory has been around for 150 years and has been
subjected to both rational and irrational attacks for that long and still
remains strong today -- even stronger, having withstood those attacks --
there is some pretty good reason to take it as true.
earle
--
"Today, the theory of evolution is an accepted fact for everyone but a
fundamentalist minority, whose objections are based not on reasoning but on
doctrinaire adherence to religious principles."
--James D. Watson
"Evolution is cleverer than you are."
--Francis Crick
"In science, "fact" can only mean 'confirmed to such a degree that it
would be perverse to withold provisional assent.' I suppose that apples
might start to rise tomorrow, but the possibility does not merit equal
time in physics classrooms."
--Stephen Jay Gould
a
Medieval Knievel <smell_of_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> Most members of the KKK thought they were good xians. Good xians
committed
> genocide against the indigenous peoples of North America.
Most satanists consider themselves to be "good" (whether they think they are
"good people" or "good satanists" is not the point here.) And in the same
way, so do atheists and moslems etc. So what's the point? Point: Most people
in the world consider themselves "good" - these same people also go around
committing genocide and other atrocities on other "good" people. Seen CNN
lately? Hints: Bosnia, Kashmir, Rwanda etc. etc. etc.
IOW it's human nature (not the nature of Christians. And it is unfortunate
that many call themselves Christians, but certainly don't live a Christ-like
life.)
So to re-word your statement: "Good people committed genocide against the
indigenous peoples of North America."
(Well, I am not an American, but even I know that people in America with
black skin's are NOT indigenous to North America. Are the KKK not racist
against blacks?)
a
St. Jackanape <st_jac...@hellmail.zzn.com> wrote in message
> Xtians cannot conceive of anyone *not* trying to covert others to a
certain
> way of thinking. Being brainwashed and told to go forth and brainwash,
they
> assume everybody else is doing the same thing.
I, for one, do not " go forth and brainwash" (as you so elegantly put it.)
If that is what I did, you would be a believer too.
God leaves the decision up to you, and so do I.
A religious conviction is a personal decision and should never be forced
upon any individual, no matter what the faith is.
(If you happen to find any trace of attempted brainwashing in the above,
then I strongly recommend a healthy dose of prozac, and call me in the
morning, just keep a watch on a chain handy when you do .-)
St. Jackanape
a <he...@there.not> wrote in message news:7nktss$ojd$2...@hermes.is.co.za...
>
> St. Jackanape <st_jac...@hellmail.zzn.com> wrote in message
>
> > Xtians cannot conceive of anyone *not* trying to covert others to a
> certain
> > way of thinking. Being brainwashed and told to go forth and brainwash,
> they
> > assume everybody else is doing the same thing.
>
> I, for one, do not " go forth and brainwash" (as you so elegantly put it.)
> If that is what I did, you would be a believer too.
Not everyone is susceptible to your Xtian bullshit. People have tried to
brainwash me with that hideous cannibal cult of the dead man on a stick for
many years. My best friend succumbed to the lie, and now he tries to convert
me. You lie like the fucking proverbial rug, Xtian.
rudr...@celtic.slaughter
I'm really wrestling with your post here. What is your fucking point? MK's
point was the hypocrisy of xtians (those do-gooders that committed atrocities on
the indigenous peoples of the Americas almost always did so in the name of
gawd). Yes, there have been occasional mass murderers that were atheist or
claimed to be so. However, they did not do their killings in the name of
atheism. And your last sentence just proves MK's point. Yes, the KKK hates
black people. They are devout xtians. I ask you again, what, exactly, is your
point?
rudr...@celtic.slaughter
>
>St. Jackanape <st_jac...@hellmail.zzn.com> wrote in message
>
>> Xtians cannot conceive of anyone *not* trying to covert others to a
>certain
>> way of thinking. Being brainwashed and told to go forth and brainwash,
>they
>> assume everybody else is doing the same thing.
>
>I, for one, do not " go forth and brainwash" (as you so elegantly put it.)
>If that is what I did, you would be a believer too.
You think an awful lot of yourself. If you were not trying to brainwash, you
probably would not have responded to this post.
>
>God leaves the decision up to you, and so do I.
Bullshit. There is no gawd therefore that part of the comment is worthless,
however, to say that you (or any xtian for that matter) leaves the decision
entirely up to the individual is a lie. Xtians, ALL xtians, are constantly
trying to shape this world in their own perverted image. Whether it be through
voting for members of the radical right or simple coersion on non-believers that
you're acquainted with, you all are trying to brainwash others to your way of
thinking. Even between different denominations of, ostensibly, the same
religion.
>
>A religious conviction is a personal decision and should never be forced
>upon any individual, no matter what the faith is.
Crusades? Missionaries? The Inquisition? Jihad? Manifest Destiny? Ireland?
Jerry Falwell/Pat Robertson/etc. ? The history of religion and faith speaks for
itself.
>
>(If you happen to find any trace of attempted brainwashing in the above,
>then I strongly recommend a healthy dose of prozac, and call me in the
>morning, just keep a watch on a chain handy when you do .-)
>
Your entire post was not too subtle coersion. I suggest you take a large,
unhealthy dose of Liquid Drano (and don't bother calling ... I don't give a
shit).
Medieval Knievel
a <he...@there.not> wrote in message news:7nktsk$ojd$1...@hermes.is.co.za...
> Most satanists consider themselves to be "good" (whether they think they
are
> "good people" or "good satanists" is not the point here.)
OK, so what makes one a "good person?" Most christers think that being a
christer is the only thing needed. they're wrong.
> IOW it's human nature (not the nature of Christians. And it is unfortunate
> that many call themselves Christians, but certainly don't live a
Christ-like
> life.)
The "no true Scotsman fallacy."
>
> So to re-word your statement: "Good people committed genocide against the
> indigenous peoples of North America."
Nope, bad people did--and called themselves xians, deluded by the idea that
gawd sanctioned their actions. I think that this delusion is one of the
hallmarks of xianity.
>
> (Well, I am not an American, but even I know that people in America with
> black skin's are NOT indigenous to North America. Are the KKK not racist
> against blacks?)
And catholics, hispanics, asians, jews--any other ethnic or religious group.
You can't really say they are "not true xians" because they follow the idea
that jesus died for sins, etc. which is what defines one as a xian.
The entire history of xianity is one of enslaving and murdering non-xians,
or trying to convert them over to the belief system.
It's a psychopathic religion.
Rev Chuck
>
> In article <7nnhsd$4si$1...@nw003t.infi.net>, "Tommy T-Rex"
> <tmti...@geocities.com> wrote:
> > No. Passed and received degrees in Physics, Science Education and
> > Computer Science.
>
> But not Biology?
>
> Mattheq
>
> --
> "And then, one Thursday nearly two thousand years after one man had been
> nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people for a
> change..." http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/9079/ Drop in!
> IA i^8 His Holiness, Pope Mattheq I
And chemistry, astronomy, geology...
Mark K. Bilbo
>
> Fred M. Williams <fredmw...@polnow.net> wrote in message
> news:3797fe9a...@news.polnow.net...
> > Well, it took a while but the artwork I was waiting for finally came
> > in. Sorry for the delay, I know I promised this over a month ago.
> >
> > The new series is Natural Selection, and it ridicules you evo-babblers
> > who think natural selection drives evolution!
> >
> > http://www.polnow.net/fredmw/fairytale/
> >
> > Fred Williams
> >
>
> Thanks Fred!
> ....Actually it doesn't ridicule evolution at all. From the impression I got
> it makes you, and the rest of the creationists, look like huge brainless
> monkeys. Shame you spent so much time on it.
After I stopped laughing, I wondered why Fred is going to such great
lengths to let the world know he failed every science class he ever
took...
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"I think what attracts me about the the Electric Monk is that it's
such an eloquent example of the futility of belief for belief's sake.
I mean there's only any point in believing something if it's true."
[Richard Dawkins, interview with Douglas Adams]
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local control! Pi to be reduced to 3.0 as god intended, other pi
values to be taught as "just theory." Up next: will Scientific
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Mark K. Bilbo
>
> The site looks great to me. Keep up the good work.
>
So you failed all your science classes too huh?
Mark K. Bilbo
>
> Sir Otto Bahn wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > The site looks great to me. Keep up the good work.
> >
> > an assinine site full of BS is a fucking monumental event
> > indeed. Worship it as you see fit, but be forewarned
> > there may be some hallucinogenic mushrooms growing on
> > the cow dung.
> >
> > OB
>
> think what you're trying to do is provoke christians into responding
> angrily, so that you can say, "See -- they're not full of love after
> all!" And that, you hope, will lose christian converts.
Atheism isn't a religion and doesn't seek "converts." That's *your
foolishness, not ours.
Besides, "provoking" christians is awfully easy. Just disagree with
them. Historically, of course, this means they'll burn you at the stake,
pour molten lead down your throat, or just wipe out your entire nation
of people. But I guess that's just their way of making an emphatic point
in debate.
Mark K. Bilbo
>
> IOW it's human nature (not the nature of Christians. And it is unfortunate
> that many call themselves Christians, but certainly don't live a Christ-like
> life.)
IOW, christianity is IMPOTENT to change human nature despite the claims
made by its followers. The loudest of whom are more often than not
caught scamming, stealing, fucking around, getting drunk, driving
expensive cars...
> So to re-word your statement: "Good people committed genocide against the
> indigenous peoples of North America."
No, "good christians" carrying bibles and having been "redeemed" from
sin. Just read the sermons that came out of American church pulpits at
the time. Seems the christian "god" supports pretty much any policy the
culture wants.
> (Well, I am not an American, but even I know that people in America with
> black skin's are NOT indigenous to North America. Are the KKK not racist
> against blacks?)
The KKK is racist against *everybody. And their hatred of Indians is
only too ironic given that the KKK are the descendents of immigrants.
But, well, "god" says it's okay to hate people. Just go check out their
web sites sometime...
Mark K. Bilbo
>
> Xtians cannot conceive of anyone *not* trying to covert others to a certain
> way of thinking. Being brainwashed and told to go forth and brainwash, they
> assume everybody else is doing the same thing.
Only too true. That, IMO, is where the "evolution is religion" crap
comes from. They can't imagine living life without having some "power"
to bow down to and grovel before and "worship."
It's no wonder christians are so easily turned into lynch mobs. They
*want to be led...
Tommy T-Rex
news:379F3E0B...@god.mminternet.com...
> Joe Schembrie wrote:
> >
> > Sir Otto Bahn wrote:
> > >
> > > Tommy T-Rex wrote:
> > > >
> > > > The site looks great to me. Keep up the good work.
> > >
> > > Yeah, an Xtian idiot crossposting his announcement of
> > > an assinine site full of BS is a fucking monumental event
> > > indeed. Worship it as you see fit, but be forewarned
> > > there may be some hallucinogenic mushrooms growing on
> > > the cow dung.
> > >
> > > OB
> >
> > You can't possibly hope to win converts to your side with such words. I
> > think what you're trying to do is provoke christians into responding
> > angrily, so that you can say, "See -- they're not full of love after
> > all!" And that, you hope, will lose christian converts.
>
> Atheism isn't a religion and doesn't seek "converts." That's *your
> foolishness, not ours.
Then why are you on here preaching "atheism" to us all... trying to prove
that atheism is correct and that Xians are crazy killers?
Hoping to convince (convert) someone?
>
> Besides, "provoking" christians is awfully easy. Just disagree with
> them. Historically, of course, this means they'll burn you at the stake,
> pour molten lead down your throat, or just wipe out your entire nation
> of people. But I guess that's just their way of making an emphatic point
> in debate.
Or how about just reply to your ranting and temper tamtrums?
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Mark K. Bilbo Atheist #1426 EAC, Department of Linguistic Subversion
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> "I think what attracts me about the the Electric Monk is that it's
> such an eloquent example of the futility of belief for belief's sake.
> I mean there's only any point in believing something if it's true."
>
> [Richard Dawkins, interview with Douglas Adams]
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> Kansas board of education defeats tyranny! 2+2 will now be under
> local control! Pi to be reduced to 3.0 as god intended, other pi
> values to be taught as "just theory." Up next: will Scientific
> Demonology be given equal time with the germ theory of disease?
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
Oh , how about getting rid of this stupid signature... wastes bandwidth and
Noone reads them anyhow.
Tommy T-Rex
Tommy T-Rex
> Tommy T-Rex wrote:
> >
> > The site looks great to me. Keep up the good work.
> >
>
> So you failed all your science classes too huh?
No. Passed and received degrees in Physics, Science Education and Computer
Science.
and you?
Tommy T-Rex
Archbishop Mike
> You can't possibly hope to win converts to your side with such words.
Who's interested in doing that? I'm much more interested in shredding
the living piss out of smegma-for-brains toolbags like you.
Archbishop Mike - Prophet
'Awooooooooooooooooooooooooooo~~~~~' - YJK, 31st August 1998
'I respect Mr. Ronald Reagan.' - YJK, 20th January 1999
Archbishop Mike
> Are the KKK not racist against blacks?
Is this a serious fucking question? Where do these people go during the
day? Can they even avoid simple dangers like falling into the toilet?
Earle Jones
markk...@god.mminternet.com wrote:
>a wrote:
>>
>> IOW it's human nature (not the nature of Christians. And it is unfortunate
>> that many call themselves Christians, but certainly don't live a Christ-like
>> life.)
>
>IOW, christianity is IMPOTENT to change human nature despite the claims
>made by its followers. The loudest of whom are more often than not
>caught scamming, stealing, fucking around, getting drunk, driving
>expensive cars...
--
And diddling the altar boys and the junior priests. This week a
**Bishop** in the Wholly Catholic Church (Northern California branch) was
exposed as another of the gay set -- one who couldn't restrain his
impulses to have sex with, and then ordain, a junior clergyman -- a Latin
from Puerto Rico, as I recall.
My take: Forget it. Many of us are gay. It's not a big deal. Priests
have been screwing their assistants, either nuns or altarboys, since
Chaucer and Rabelais described it years ago. So what. Priests have the
same urges as anyone else. Let them do their thing.
Just watch out for your kids.
earle
--
a
<rudr...@celtic.slaughter> wrote in message
news:379e0ba1...@news.slip.net...
> On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:09:43 +0200, "a" <he...@there.not> wrote:
>
> >
> >St. Jackanape <st_jac...@hellmail.zzn.com> wrote in message
> >
> >certain
> >> way of thinking. Being brainwashed and told to go forth and brainwash,
> >they
> >> assume everybody else is doing the same thing.
> >
it.)
> >If that is what I did, you would be a believer too.
>
> You think an awful lot of yourself. If you were not trying to brainwash,
you
> probably would not have responded to this post.
If I was a brainwasher, I wouldn't need to have responded. The "job" would
have been done.
> >
> >God leaves the decision up to you, and so do I.
>
> Bullshit. There is no gawd therefore that part of the comment is
worthless,
> however, to say that you (or any xtian for that matter) leaves the
decision
> entirely up to the individual is a lie. Xtians, ALL xtians, are
constantly
> trying to shape this world in their own perverted image. Whether it be
through
> voting for members of the radical right or simple coersion on
non-believers that
> you're acquainted with, you all are trying to brainwash others to your way
of
> thinking. Even between different denominations of, ostensibly, the same
> religion.
Then you, by means of the law that states "for every action, there is an
equal but opposite reaction." are trying to "brainwash" everyone else who
does not already subscribe to your way of thinking... And you ... are
constantly trying to shape this world in your own perverted image. Whether
it be through voting for members of the radical right or simple coersion on
believers that you're acquainted with, you all are trying to brainwash
others to your way of thinking. Even between different denominations of,
ostensibly, the same religion.
> >
> >A religious conviction is a personal decision and should never be forced
> >upon any individual, no matter what the faith is.
>
> Crusades? Missionaries? The Inquisition? Jihad? Manifest Destiny?
Ireland?
> Jerry Falwell/Pat Robertson/etc. ? The history of religion and faith
speaks for
> itself.
Wrong. Human nature. Admittedly cloaked under veils of faith. Should we go
into human nature of the same kind cloaked under political and economic
veils? Maybe you don't know how WW1 started? Civil wars? Gulf War? Wars of
independance?
> >
> >(If you happen to find any trace of attempted brainwashing in the above,
> >then I strongly recommend a healthy dose of prozac, and call me in the
> >morning, just keep a watch on a chain handy when you do .-)
> >
> Your entire post was not too subtle coersion. I suggest you take a large,
> unhealthy dose of Liquid Drano (and don't bother calling ... I don't give
a
> shit).
Coersion? Yeah, right. I have no desire to force anyone into my set of
beliefs (that's what coersion means) that is precisely why I said: "A
Mattheq
> Computer Science.
But not Biology?
a
<rudr...@celtic.slaughter> wrote in message
news:379e09a9...@news.slip.net...
> On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:03:23 +0200, "a" <he...@there.not> wrote:
> I'm really wrestling with your post here. What is your fucking point?
Human Nature.
> MK's
> point was the hypocrisy of xtians (those do-gooders that committed
atrocities on
> the indigenous peoples of the Americas almost always did so in the name of
> gawd). Yes, there have been occasional mass murderers that were atheist
or
> claimed to be so. However, they did not do their killings in the name of
> atheism.
No, they do it because of the human nature that is in them. Same with anyone
who happens to do the same, but just because they wear a fashion accessory
styled in a crucifix, as in an ear ring or something, then suddenly they are
"professing to be Christian" and are "hypocrites" and they "represent all of
Christianity."
> And your last sentence just proves MK's point. Yes, the KKK
hates
> black people. They are devout xtians. I ask you again, what, exactly, is
your
> point?
>
Anyone can claim devotion to Jesus Christ, if only to bring disrepute to
Christianity - in fact, would that not be the easiest and quickest method?
(But no! Because this came from the mouth of a Christian, suddenly it is
Christian-paranoia and has no basis or truth.)
BTW, how do you know they are ALL devout, anyway? How do you know that they
ALL are devout to Christianity?
Anyway, my reason for commenting on the KK issue was: "people in America
with black skin's are NOT indigenous to North America." (a nice bit of issue
dodging, but we'll let it slide. for now.)
-------------------- ON THE SIDE ----------------
I am not American, but I have caught the occasional CNN newscast from time
to time, and it seems to me that Americans are SO DARN GULLIBLE.
Why do I say that? Well them guys seem to have all the crazy nuts of the
world running around their neighbourhoods, starting new religions, and
getting followers (that's the really easy part because of the gullible
populace.) Since its America, there's an abundance of money floating about
which quickly gets converted into guns and weapons to "protect the rights of
our members. 'Cos 'all them' got guns too." Now the easiest way to be taken
seriously as a "religion" or faction of one, is to run around with a Bible
under your arm screaming the name of Jesus because every one knows THAT
religion. (There's plenty of the telly-evangelists out there doing all the
hard work of spreading THAT name. "Let's jump on the band-wagon, its free
after all.") Now, they don't have to know much about the Bible, the
telly-dudes know enough as it is, so these guys with the Bible under their
arms can run around doing what they do best: talking up a storm. But they
are sharp, they have to continue the charade and make it LOOK authentic, so
they throw in the occasional reference from the Bible (taken out of context
or without knowledge, whatever, it don't really matter does it?) Before you
know it, you got another David Koresh or Doomsday Cult or something on your
hands. Many people are dead and it is all the fault of Christians. It is
God's fault.
Yeah. right.
Now, there are some really good Christian Americans out there (I know, I am
in e-mail contact with quite a few.) But these other whacko's make the
reputation of American Christians really yucky for the rest of them, right?
St. Jackanape
a <he...@there.not> wrote in message news:7noop0$gkd$4...@hermes.is.co.za...
> -------------------- ON THE SIDE ----------------
>
>
> I am not American, but I have caught the occasional CNN newscast from time
> to time, and it seems to me that Americans are SO DARN GULLIBLE.
No more gullible than you for believing what you see on TV. We know better
than that over here, actually. So where does that put you?
Archbishop Mike
> No. Passed and received degrees in Physics, Science Education and
> Computer Science.
Liar.
Archbishop Mike
> Oh , how about getting rid of this stupid signature... wastes
> bandwidth and Noone reads them anyhow.
By the same rationale, you ought to burn your computer.
Archbishop Mike
> I am not American, but I have caught the occasional CNN newscast from time
> to time, and it seems to me that Americans are SO DARN GULLIBLE.
Irony, thy name is 'a'.
Medieval Knievel
a <he...@there.not> wrote in message news:7noop0$gkd$4...@hermes.is.co.za...
Hey, I think I got a nominee for twit of the month for alt.atheism!
Medieval Knievel
> In article <7nnhsd$4si$1...@nw003t.infi.net> tmti...@geocities.com wrote...
>
> > No. Passed and received degrees in Physics, Science Education and
> > Computer Science.
From that school that Sally Struthers advertises on afternoon TV.
Brad
>
> Anyway, my reason for commenting on the KK issue was: "people in America
> with black skin's are NOT indigenous to North America." (a nice bit of issue
> dodging, but we'll let it slide. for now.)
>
Err...Neither are white people.
Brad: atheist #666 (ooga booga)
To email omit "ily" from the name.
"you're older than you've ever been, and now you're older still" TMBG
Tukla Ratte
<tmti...@geocities.com> wrote:
> Mark K. Bilbo <markk...@god.mminternet.com> wrote in message
> news:379F3BD9...@god.mminternet.com...
> > Tommy T-Rex wrote:
> > >
> > > The site looks great to me. Keep up the good work.
> > >
> > > Tommy T-Rex
> >
> > So you failed all your science classes too huh?
>
> No. Passed and received degrees in Physics, Science Education and Computer
> Science.
To quote Tom Servo: "Whoop-dee-shit."
> and you?
Degree in computer science, which means squat in talking about
biological evolution. I *did*, however, actually *read* the
Talk.Origins Archive site.
Have you?
--
Tukla, Eater of Theists, Squeaker of Chew Toys
Director, EAC Animoid Shocktroop Division
Defender of the Honor of She Who Leads the EAC
atheist #1347, Official Mascot of Alt.Atheism
BAAWA Knight, Calico Angora Rat, Clothing Aficionado
Furry Peace! http://www.fur.com/peace
morning
>
> a <he...@there.not> wrote in message news:7nktsk$ojd$1...@hermes.is.co.za...
>
<snip>
>
> The entire history of xianity is one of enslaving and murdering non-xians,
> or trying to convert them over to the belief system.
>
> It's a psychopathic religion.
My husband professes the idea that it is actually a death cult -- they
worship a man whose greatest achievement was his death, feature
prominent sculptures of him in some agonizing death pose and promise you
rewards -- after you die.
And yet they think it's wrong to kill yourself. I just don't get it.
Oh! Waitaminit! That whole tithing thing... and now the voter guides...
*that* must be why they need you alive!
--
morning
--- fluent spires of fragrance
the bowl
seethes
a flutter of stars
Halah
> -------------------- ON THE SIDE ----------------
>
> I am not American, but I have caught the occasional CNN newscast from time
> to time, and it seems to me that Americans are SO DARN GULLIBLE.
And there you go, categorizing people as well. How do you know ALL Americans are
gullible?
> Why do I say that? Well them guys seem to have all the crazy nuts of the
> world running around their neighbourhoods, starting new religions, and
> getting followers (that's the really easy part because of the gullible
> populace.)
Yep. All we do every day is see what kind of religion we can start, if only to
make a buck. Idiot.
> Since its America, there's an abundance of money floating about
No shit? Where's my cut?
> which quickly gets converted into guns and weapons to "protect the rights of
> our members. 'Cos 'all them' got guns too."
Never mind the fact that most of these 'cults' only have a few dozen members
each. Fuck 'em. Let them have all the guns they want. They keep to themselves
most of the time anyway.
> Now the easiest way to be taken
> seriously as a "religion" or faction of one, is to run around with a Bible
> under your arm screaming the name of Jesus because every one knows THAT
> religion. (There's plenty of the telly-evangelists out there doing all the
> hard work of spreading THAT name. "Let's jump on the band-wagon, its free
> after all.")
Sounds like most 'mainstream' religions as well.
> Now, they don't have to know much about the Bible, the
> telly-dudes know enough as it is, so these guys with the Bible under their
> arms can run around doing what they do best: talking up a storm.
See above.
> But they are sharp, they have to continue the charade and make it LOOK
> authentic, so
> they throw in the occasional reference from the Bible (taken out of context
> or without knowledge, whatever, it don't really matter does it?)
Again, see above.
> Before you know it, you got another David Koresh or Doomsday Cult or something
> on your
> hands. Many people are dead and it is all the fault of Christians.
Like I said, most of these cults have only a few members. In a nation of nearly
300 million, that's not so bad.
> It is God's fault.
Most sensible thing you've said yet.
> Yeah. right.
>
> Now, there are some really good Christian Americans out there (I know, I am
> in e-mail contact with quite a few.) But these other whacko's make the
> reputation of American Christians really yucky for the rest of them, right?
You know, you are absolutely right. 50 whackos out there killing themselves for
god sure does taint the image of 60 million catholics.
--
Halah - aa #1595 - You know what to do to reply.
"Do you have stopped up problem frequently? You must be
hillbilly."
-YJK, making no sense, as usual, 7/22/99
Halah
><snip wind from a horse's ass>
OK. Enough.
<plonk>
a
> a wrote:
> >
> > IOW it's human nature (not the nature of Christians. And it is
unfortunate
> > that many call themselves Christians, but certainly don't live a
Christ-like
> > life.)
>
> IOW, christianity is IMPOTENT to change human nature despite the claims
> made by its followers. The loudest of whom are more often than not
> caught scamming, stealing, fucking around, getting drunk, driving
> expensive cars...
And who are these people that claimed this? Nowhere in the Bible does God
say that He will change anyone's nature. But the closest scripture to this
effect is:
Ephesians 4: 22-24 (AMP) "22 Strip yourselves of your former nature [put off
and discard your old unrenewed self] which characterized your previous
manner of life and becomes corrupt through lusts and desires that spring
from delusion; 23 And be constantly renewed in the spirit of your mind
[having a fresh mental and spiritual attitude], 24 And put on the new nature
(the regenerate self) created in God's image, [Godlike] in true
righteousness and holiness."
Speaking of the renewal of the spiritual nature, not the physical, carnal,
earhly vessel - the body and the nature inherrent in it. This (in other
versions) is described as a "renewal of the mind" .
> > So to re-word your statement: "Good people committed genocide against
the
> > indigenous peoples of North America."
>
> No, "good christians" carrying bibles and having been "redeemed" from
> sin. Just read the sermons that came out of American church pulpits at
> the time. Seems the christian "god" supports pretty much any policy the
> culture wants.
Catholics interpret the scriptures in one way, Baptists another,
Presbyterians another, etc. etc. etc.
It is not the God that "supports pretty much any policy ..." it's the way
humans interpret the scriptures, frequently placing them out of context in
order to lend a different meaning to them.
And hey, and it's not only Christians that interpret scriptures in different
ways, even satanists, moslems, buddhists and athiests etc. go about quoting
all manner of verses to "prove" their points of view and attempt to
discredit the authenticity of the Bible and its content.
Non-believers are just as guilty as believers are in interpreting the
scriptures to "prove" their points of view.
> > (Well, I am not an American, but even I know that people in America with
> > black skin's are NOT indigenous to North America. Are the KKK not racist
> > against blacks?)
>
> The KKK is racist against *everybody. And their hatred of Indians is
> only too ironic given that the KKK are the descendents of immigrants.
> But, well, "god" says it's okay to hate people. Just go check out their
> web sites sometime...
God does not hate. Satanists are very fond of using the following scripture:
King James Version:
Romans 9:13 "Even as it is written, Jacob I loved, but Esau I hated."
--- and try to use it as "proof" that God is a hateful god. This proves
nothing because they too interpret the scripture without all the facts - and
attempt to lend credence to their persuasions. The original Hebrew word has
deeper meanings that a word-for-word translation to English does not allow
for. The Amplified Bible places the meaning of the word, and its
amplification for us, so as to obtain as close a meaning to the original
Hebrew and Greek as possible, it goes as such: "As it is written, Jacob have
I loved, but Esau have I hated (held in relative disregard in comparison
with My feeling for Jacob). [Mal. 1: 2,3]"
You go and interpret that as you will.
Rev Chuck
>
> Archbishop Mike <archb...@blackcat.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:CheetahPRO_v...@blackcat.demon.co.uk..
> > In article <7nktsk$ojd$1...@hermes.is.co.za> he...@there.not wrote...
> >
> > > Are the KKK not racist against blacks?
> >
> > Is this a serious fucking question?
> >
>
> American. Comprehend? Would it not stand to reason, that I would not be 100%
> familiar with the social structures that abound over the vast expanse of
> land?
Seeing how the KKK's been hanging them since the civil war, news must
travel REAL FUCKING SLOW.
--
Nothing says you're insane like prayer.
Rev Chuck, Alt.Atheism #203, Ordained Reverend, ULC, 17 March, 1997.
Remove -REMOVE_THIS- from address to respond.
rudr...@celtic.slaughter
>
><rudr...@celtic.slaughter> wrote in message
>news:379e09a9...@news.slip.net...
>> On Tue, 27 Jul 1999 18:03:23 +0200, "a" <he...@there.not> wrote:
>(snip)
>
>> I'm really wrestling with your post here. What is your fucking point?
>
>Human Nature.
>
>
>> MK's
>> point was the hypocrisy of xtians (those do-gooders that committed
>atrocities on
>> the indigenous peoples of the Americas almost always did so in the name of
>> gawd). Yes, there have been occasional mass murderers that were atheist
>or
>> claimed to be so. However, they did not do their killings in the name of
>> atheism.
>
>No, they do it because of the human nature that is in them. Same with anyone
>who happens to do the same, but just because they wear a fashion accessory
>styled in a crucifix, as in an ear ring or something, then suddenly they are
>"professing to be Christian" and are "hypocrites" and they "represent all of
>Christianity."
>
OK, you're doing a couple of things here. First of all you're taking the old
"true Christian" cop-out. You go tell any of those murderous thugs that they're
not xtians and it'll be the last thing you do. Secondly you're side-stepping
the issue that the xtian killers do their killing "in the name of God" whereas
you would be hard put to actually come up with someone who claimed outright that
they werte killing for the atheist cause.
>
>> And your last sentence just proves MK's point. Yes, the KKK
>hates
>> black people. They are devout xtians. I ask you again, what, exactly, is
>your
>> point?
>>
>
>Anyone can claim devotion to Jesus Christ, if only to bring disrepute to
>Christianity - in fact, would that not be the easiest and quickest method?
>(But no! Because this came from the mouth of a Christian, suddenly it is
>Christian-paranoia and has no basis or truth.)
>
>BTW, how do you know they are ALL devout, anyway? How do you know that they
>ALL are devout to Christianity?
There you go with the true xtian bullshit again. Hey bubba, you're ALL true
xtians as far as I'm concerened.
>
>Anyway, my reason for commenting on the KK issue was: "people in America
>with black skin's are NOT indigenous to North America." (a nice bit of issue
>dodging, but we'll let it slide. for now.)
*Who's* doing the issue dodging and *who* is willing to let it slide? Are you
telling me that when MK made his statement *you* assumed he talking about blacks
in America? Nobody here was talking about blacks in America till you brought it
up. The discussion was referring to xtians slaughtering indigenous peoples in
the name of gawd. And that would mean indigenous peoples of any color,
anywhere. It was xtians that captured, traded in, bought and sold slaves form
Africa. It was xtians that exterminated indigenous peoples from several island
nations. It was xtians that hunted and killed the indiginous peoples of the
Americas.
Who's dodging the issue, asshole?
>
>
>-------------------- ON THE SIDE ----------------
>
>
>I am not American, but I have caught the occasional CNN newscast from time
>to time, and it seems to me that Americans are SO DARN GULLIBLE.
You're fuckin' A right you aren't an American! And you're a fine one to talk
about categorizing xtians when you sit there fucking sheep in New Zealand and
feel just fine categorizing Americans. You don't know shit about us and never
will.
>
>Why do I say that? Well them guys seem to have all the crazy nuts of the
>world running around their neighbourhoods, starting new religions, and
>getting followers (that's the really easy part because of the gullible
>populace.) Since its America, there's an abundance of money floating about
>which quickly gets converted into guns and weapons to "protect the rights of
>our members. 'Cos 'all them' got guns too." Now the easiest way to be taken
>seriously as a "religion" or faction of one, is to run around with a Bible
>under your arm screaming the name of Jesus because every one knows THAT
>religion. (There's plenty of the telly-evangelists out there doing all the
>hard work of spreading THAT name. "Let's jump on the band-wagon, its free
>after all.") Now, they don't have to know much about the Bible, the
>telly-dudes know enough as it is, so these guys with the Bible under their
>arms can run around doing what they do best: talking up a storm. But they
>are sharp, they have to continue the charade and make it LOOK authentic, so
>they throw in the occasional reference from the Bible (taken out of context
>or without knowledge, whatever, it don't really matter does it?) Before you
>know it, you got another David Koresh or Doomsday Cult or something on your
>hands. Many people are dead and it is all the fault of Christians. It is
>God's fault.
>
>Yeah. right.
>
I left the above intact because I couldn't do half as good of a job as you have
of making yourself look like an idiot.
>
>Now, there are some really good Christian Americans out there (I know, I am
>in e-mail contact with quite a few.) But these other whacko's make the
>reputation of American Christians really yucky for the rest of them, right?
>
>
How about the death cult over in Europe recently? I'm sure if I did just a
little digging I could find some sheep fucking scandal involving the clergy in
your country. Xtians are at least similar all over the world. We have more
diversity in America than exists in all the xtian religions.
Checkmate, hypocrit.
Pope Rudraigh
ULC Ordained Minister since 1984
Rudraigh for President in '04
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St. Jackanape
morning <mor...@infinet.com> wrote in message
news:37A0FD51...@infinet.com...
> Medieval Knievel wrote:
> >
> > a <he...@there.not> wrote in message news:7nktsk$ojd$1...@hermes.is.co.za...
> >
> <snip>
> >
> > The entire history of xianity is one of enslaving and murdering
non-xians,
> > or trying to convert them over to the belief system.
> >
> > It's a psychopathic religion.
>
> My husband professes the idea that it is actually a death cult -- they
> worship a man whose greatest achievement was his death, feature
> prominent sculptures of him in some agonizing death pose and promise you
> rewards -- after you die.
They also symbolically eat his flesh and blood cannibal style!
>
> And yet they think it's wrong to kill yourself. I just don't get it.
>
> Oh! Waitaminit! That whole tithing thing... and now the voter guides...
> *that* must be why they need you alive!
>
> --
> morning
>
> --- fluent spires of fragrance
> the bowl
> seethes
> a flutter of stars
--
Saint Jackanape
ULC Ordained Minister since 1999
"My friend, God is much more than a heaping power of Dog shit"
-- Jason Marianna, May 16,1999
St. Jackanape
a <he...@there.not> wrote in message news:7nrfe6$omi$1...@hermes.is.co.za...
> Catholics interpret the scriptures in one way, Baptists another,
> Presbyterians another, etc. etc. etc.
Well, you all can't be right so a heck of a lot of you are going to hell.
If it was truly the word of God, you dumbfucks would agree. Here you have
the actual book of "God's word" and no one knows what it means. I'd say what
we have here is a failure to communicate. So much for the perfect God
theory.
--
Saint Jackanape
ULC Ordained Minister since 1999
--When you talk to God it's called prayer.
When God talks back it's called schizophrenia.
Archbishop Mike
> And who are these people that claimed this? Nowhere in the Bible does God
> say that He will change anyone's nature.
Why not? I thought he was supposed to be omnipotent. That surely either
means that he can't (in which case he's not omnipotent) or could but
doesn't (which means he doesn't give a fuck). It might also mean that
the whole thing is a figment of the human imagination as well, of
course.
> Ephesians 4: 22-24 (AMP)
<mindless parrotting snipped>
> Catholics interpret the scriptures in one way, Baptists another,
> Presbyterians another, etc. etc. etc.
And the funny thing is, they all think they are right. So which of you
are going to hell for not believing the right stuff in the right way?
In any event, one might also argue this; that if there is such a thing
as a being so complex and so advanced as to be able to create a universe
then it stands to reason that we'd never be able to understand one thing
about it, so we are bound to be completely wrong about it and therefore
all bound for whatever private hell we care to imagine.
One might also believe that Occam's Razor leads you to understand that
not only is 'god' unnecessary to the grand scheme of things, it's also a
hugely illogical complication to it.
> Non-believers are just as guilty as believers are in interpreting the
> scriptures to "prove" their points of view.
Your stupidity is crushing us all to death with its vast bulk. I would
only 'use scripture' to wipe the shit off my arsehole. If I assert that
it's meaningless trash dreamt up by bored shepherds in an occupied area
of the world that was forever getting its arse kicked by any army
walking by, then I am not going to use it one way or the other. This is
called 'consistency'. Try it some time. The shock might kill you, but
try it anyway.
> Satanists are very fond of using the following scripture:
Satanists are every bit as loathsome as you.
a
a
>
> a <he...@there.not> wrote in message news:7noop0$gkd$4...@hermes.is.co.za...
> > -------------------- ON THE SIDE ----------------
> >
> >
> > I am not American, but I have caught the occasional CNN newscast from
time
> > to time, and it seems to me that Americans are SO DARN GULLIBLE.
>
>
> than that over here, actually. So where does that put you?
So when most of the major newspapers and tv-news stations from many nations
all cover the same news-story, we are seeing the result of some massive
propaganda attempt between the governments of many nations? Does that mean
we have to go on a subversion campaign?
Alex
writers to write it more clear-cut. Why would He do otherwise?? Why allow
insane amounts of people to go to Hell when He could of easily (He knows
all, after all) put in something that would make it so that the translation
would be perfect... or a rule in the Bible that would make it wrong to
translate it at all.
Sir Otto Bahn
> One might also believe that Occam's Razor leads you to understand that
> not only is 'god' unnecessary to the grand scheme of things, it's also a
> hugely illogical complication to it.
Occam's razor has it's uses, but explaining the grand scheme of
things is not one of them. Neither Quantum Mechanics nor Relativity
fit the paradigm. FWIW, some math grad student has found evidence
that Occam's Razor may be "simply wrong", but it remains to be proved.
This is not a bad thing. Some people find a "god" to be the simplest
explanation.
OB
Don Brinn
OK. I'm not from the States either, I'm from Canada. But I'll be happy
to answer your question. Yes, I think it would be safe to say that they
are racist against Blacks. Blacks, Jews, Catholics... basically anyone
who isn't Protestant and who isn't descended from North-Western
Europeans.
--
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Don
Ontario, Canada
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"Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum videtur."
(Whatever is said in Latin sounds profound.)
astr...@my-deja.com
Don Brinn <dkb...@ist.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> a wrote:
> >
> > Archbishop Mike <archb...@blackcat.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> > news:CheetahPRO_v...@blackcat.demon.co.uk...
> > > In article <7nktsk$ojd$1...@hermes.is.co.za> he...@there.not wrote...
> > >
> > > > Are the KKK not racist against blacks?
> > >
> > > Is this a serious fucking question?
> > >
> >
> > Maybe you can't read or something. Let me explain it again: I am not
> > American. Comprehend? Would it not stand to reason, that I would
not be 100%
> > familiar with the social structures that abound over the vast
expanse of
> > land?
>
> OK. I'm not from the States either, I'm from Canada. But I'll be
happy
> to answer your question. Yes, I think it would be safe to say that
they
> are racist against Blacks. Blacks, Jews, Catholics... basically
anyone
> who isn't Protestant and who isn't descended from North-Western
> Europeans.
>
> --
> ------------------------------------------------
I'm sure there are some good books available in many places which talk
about the history of the united states, if not the history of the KKK.
The group has been around for many years and gained their claim to fame
with their hangings, burnings, rapings, killings, and what-not of the
newly-freed african slaves. These days, the killings and burnings, etc
are done infrequently and secretly. The new face of the KKK is
equivalent to the skinhead's: Aryanism. White man is leader. All else
must submit. Since there is a growing sentiment for white man rule
among the population of the US, the KKK is able to make its presence
known much closer to politicians.
The bottom line is that they have been here a long time and will
probably not leave, unless exterminated. They embody all that is
biased, racist, bigoted, and narrow-minded in the world.
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Wal...@dnvn.com
> Medieval Knievel wrote:
> >
> > a <he...@there.not> wrote in message news:7nktsk$ojd$1...@hermes.is.co.za...
> >
> <snip>
> >
> > The entire history of xianity is one of enslaving and murdering non-xians,
> > or trying to convert them over to the belief system.
> >
> > It's a psychopathic religion.
>
> My husband professes the idea that it is actually a death cult -- they
> worship a man whose greatest achievement was his death, feature
> prominent sculptures of him in some agonizing death pose and promise you
> rewards -- after you die.
and their most sacred ceremony involves partaking of his body and blood.
a
Brad <artf...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:artfamily-290...@63.10.227.235...
> > with black skin's are NOT indigenous to North America." (a nice bit of
issue
> > dodging, but we'll let it slide. for now.)
> >
Oh, why do I bother?
Lord, forgive them for they know not what they read.
St. Jackanape
a <he...@there.not> wrote in message news:7ns5d3$8r8$2...@hermes.is.co.za...
>
> Archbishop Mike <archb...@blackcat.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:CheetahPRO_v...@blackcat.demon.co.uk...
> > In article <7nktsk$ojd$1...@hermes.is.co.za> he...@there.not wrote...
> >
> > > Are the KKK not racist against blacks?
> >
> > Is this a serious fucking question?
> >
>
> Maybe you can't read or something. Let me explain it again: I am not
> American. Comprehend? Would it not stand to reason, that I would not be
100%
> familiar with the social structures that abound over the vast expanse of
> land?
Damn your stupid. You're telling a non-American that you are a non-American.
If you fucking Christians would real something other than the bible maybe
you would know more about the work around you instead of what it looks like
up your own asshole.
--
Saint Jackanape
ULC Ordained Minister since 1999
St. Jackanape
a <he...@there.not> wrote in message news:7nshu1$f28$4...@hermes.is.co.za...
Please, go join him now! He will take away the daemons persecuting you.
Drink the Drano. Go! God commands it!
--
Saint Jackanape
ULC Ordained Minister since 1999
Archbishop Mike
> > > Are the KKK not racist against blacks?
> > Is this a serious fucking question?
>
> Maybe you can't read or something. Let me explain it again: I am not
> American. Comprehend?
Neither am I, dumb-fuck, and I know all about the KKK and the hateful
crap they spout. Then again, I don't live with my head nestled so far up
my arsehole I could lick my spleen.
I am also amused to read that you know so little about the USA that you
don;t know who the KKK are, yet you can condemn the entire nation for
being 'gullible'. How quaint. How ignorant. How christian.
Archbishop Mike
> > One might also believe that Occam's Razor leads you to understand that
> > not only is 'god' unnecessary to the grand scheme of things, it's also a
> > hugely illogical complication to it.
>
> Occam's razor has it's uses, but explaining the grand scheme of
> things is not one of them.
This is a useful thing to remember, especially when it doesn't explain
your Fantasy Of Choice.
> Some people find a "god" to be the simplest explanation.
These people need help. Or shot.
WarFrost
>Maybe you can't read or something. Let me explain it again: I am not
>American. Comprehend? Would it not stand to reason, that I would not be
100%
>familiar with the social structures that abound over the vast expanse of
>land?
Methinks that it's just unimaginable to Arch, or anyone else, that someone
who has spent any length of time at all on the Usenet - ESPECIALLY in
christian NG's - has failed to hear of the Ku Klux Klan. I don't think
that's an unfair assumption on his part - they're fairly well known
worldwide as a symbol of hatred and racism. Many would rank them second
only to the Nazis - and only because the Nazis had decent uniforms.
I'm not sure what country code .za is - where exactly are you posting from?
--
"<burrrppp!> Damn, that was one fine soul!"
- God, speaking through Nilone
"One thing I noted is they're educated persons"
- YJK, attempting to brown-nose and failing
"Opiates are the Mass of my Religion."
- From "The Rant of the SubGenius"
Halah
Because god, in all of his infinite power and wisdom foresaw the day when his
followers would have trouble understanding basic human functions such as
retional thought. Plus it's easier to get money out of 'em if they don't know
why they send it in.
Halah
> In any event, one might also argue this; that if there is such a thing
> as a being so complex and so advanced as to be able to create a universe
> then it stands to reason that we'd never be able to understand one thing
> about it, so we are bound to be completely wrong about it and therefore
> all bound for whatever private hell we care to imagine.
>
I particularly like that point of view. Never thought about it in that way. I
do remember being in (catholic) school and having the teacher say if god were
to show himself to a human, that human would instantly perish at the awesome
sight. Not five minutes later she says we should all strive to see god. I
wasn't a catholic much longer after that.
Earle Jones
archb...@blackcat.demon.co.uk wrote:
>In article <37A1AD...@khepburn.mc.duke.edu>
JGA...@khepburn.mc.duke.edu wrote...
>
>> > One might also believe that Occam's Razor leads you to understand that
>> > not only is 'god' unnecessary to the grand scheme of things, it's also a
>> > hugely illogical complication to it.
>>
>> Occam's razor has it's uses, but explaining the grand scheme of
>> things is not one of them.
>
>This is a useful thing to remember, especially when it doesn't explain
>your Fantasy Of Choice.
>
>> Some people find a "god" to be the simplest explanation.
--
The simplest explanation to the quarter I found under my pillow (a few
years ago) was "the tooth fairy".
The simplest explanation to the gifts I found under the Christmas tree was
"Santa Claus".
"When I was a child, I spake as a child --
When I became a man, I put away childish things."
Sound familiar?
earle
==
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__/\_\
/\_\/_/
\/_/\_\ earle
\/_/ jones
Handgun murders in 1996:
New Zealand 2
Australia 13
Japan 15
Great Britain 30
Canada 106
Germany 213
USA 9,390
Earle Jones
<st_jac...@hellmail.zzn.com> wrote:
>a <he...@there.not> wrote in message news:7nrfe6$omi$1...@hermes.is.co.za...
>
>> Catholics interpret the scriptures in one way, Baptists another,
>> Presbyterians another, etc. etc. etc.
>
>Well, you all can't be right so a heck of a lot of you are going to hell.
--
"Straight and narrow be the path, and few be those who find it."
--God
"So it goes."
--K. Vonnegut
earle
--
Earle Jones
JGA...@khepburn.mc.duke.edu wrote:
>
>This is not a bad thing. Some people find a "god" to be the simplest
>explanation.>
--
And the simpler the person, the more likely he is to buy into this asinine
explanation (a non-explanation, if one really asks).
earle
--
"Religions do make claims about the universe - the same kinds of claims
that scientists make, except they're usually false. I am against
religion because it teaches us to be satisfied with not understanding
the world"
-- Richard Dawkins
"If the sum of credible evidence we have is that the universe lacks
anything like a god, then we shouldn't be shy about concluding that there
isn't one."
--Neal M. Stevens (NMS)
"Nowhere in the Christian scriptures will you find any encouragement to
study, to learn, to enquire. Nowhere will you find any praise for
intelligence. And nowhere will you find any doctrine that promotes respect
for those of other religions."
--J. Smith-Slattery
"I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god
than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible
gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours."
--Stephen F Roberts
"It is wrong always, everywhere and for anyone, to believe
anything upon insufficient evidence."
--W. K. Clifford
"We should always be disposed to believe that that which appears to us
to be white is really black, if the hierarchy of the church so decides."
--St. Ignatius Loyola
Rev Chuck
>
> <rudr...@celtic.slaughter> wrote in message
> > On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 00:15:47 +0200, "a" <he...@there.not> wrote:
>
> > >
> > OK, you're doing a couple of things here. First of all you're taking the
> old
> > "true Christian" cop-out.
>
>
> > You go tell any of those murderous thugs that they're
> > not xtians and it'll be the last thing you do. Secondly you're
> side-stepping
> > the issue that the xtian killers do their killing "in the name of God"
> whereas
> > you would be hard put to actually come up with someone who claimed
> outright that
> > they werte killing for the atheist cause.
>
> that there are people out there killing in the name of Jesus. But as I have
> also said before (which you guys seem to conveniently ignore): There are
> MORE people out there healing and doing _good_ in the name of Jesus.
Or so they think.
> To deny this fact is to prove your rejection of Christian FACTS. (Now you
> are going to want SCIENTIFIC proof, no! not archaelogical -- because that's
> not science, yeah right -- to support this claim. This behaviour is typical
> of athiests, which is what started this whole thing anyway.)
There are neither "christian facts" (curious term) nor "'scientific' proofs"
to back up your nonsense.
> You want proof? Go and speak to the medical doctors that have treated
> patients for cancer, heart disease, viral infections etc for years and when
> the patients have returned from a Cathryn Kuhlman (spel. ??) or a Benny Hinn
> (or the like) meeting and they are fully cured. These doctors would give you
> all the x-rays and medical proof you want.
Spontaneous remission? Can happen to anyone, regardless of belief or
lack thereof. I just saw an example in my own family. Cancer. Gone
as mysteriously as it appeared.
BTW, why do more people die of the above afflictions DESPITE their
pleas to Doogie Christ, MD? Are they not grovelling sincerely or
loudly enough?
> And that's just healing, then what about all those foundations set up IN THE
> NAME OF JESUS that donate food and clothes to the poor and homeless? (And
> you think that our tithes have nothing to do with this?)
Look up "rice christians."
> What about all those church functions that raise money? (Do you think that
> all of it goes into the church and none ever reaches the needy? yeah right.)
Snap, crackle, pop...
> What about those suffering from mental breakdown? Do you think that there
> are no psychiatrists that work IN THE NAME OF JESUS? (Our pastor's wife is a
> trained psychiatrist and she works both at the hospital and in the church.)
Shrinker, heal thyself.
> Why are you so fixated with the minority and ignore the majority? It only
> takes the bad of one to cover and hide the good done by hundreds. Why?
> because misery loves company.
Communism, nazism, fascism, xianity, all totalitarian movements, they all
started with a handful of zealots.
> > >BTW, how do you know they are ALL devout, anyway? How do you know that
> they
> > >ALL are devout to Christianity?
> >
> > There you go with the true xtian bullshit again. Hey bubba, you're ALL
> true
> > xtians as far as I'm concerened.
>
> Yeah, we've got this secret signal you know, but I'm not allowed to say,
> because then I would be damned to hell to burn for eternity. But it is much
> like that signal of the fish that they used for the first couple of hundred
> years after Jesus ascended.
>
> You guys make assumptions, I ask you to verify your assumptions (are we the
> only ones that have to verify ourselves) and suddenly I'm on "with the true
> Christian" stuff again. Yeah right. You atheists have this very bad habit of
> dodging the issues, but you constantly accuse us Christians of doing so.
> Pot. Kettle. Black. (or to put it in Christian terms: Log. Eye. Brother.)
We were minding our own business. Having a good time. Bothering no one.
And then?
Fuck YES the burden of verification is YOURS.
> > >Anyway, my reason for commenting on the KK issue was: "people in America
> > >with black skin's are NOT indigenous to North America." (a nice bit of
> issue
> > >dodging, but we'll let it slide. for now.)
> >
> > *Who's* doing the issue dodging and *who* is willing to let it slide? Are
> you
> > telling me that when MK made his statement *you* assumed he talking about
> blacks
> > in America? Nobody here was talking about blacks in America till you
> brought it
> > up. The discussion was referring to xtians slaughtering indigenous
> peoples in
> > the name of gawd. And that would mean indigenous peoples of any color,
> > anywhere. It was xtians that captured, traded in, bought and sold slaves
> form
> > Africa. It was xtians that exterminated indigenous peoples from several
> island
> > nations. It was xtians that hunted and killed the indiginous peoples of
> the
> > Americas.
> >
> > Who's dodging the issue, asshole?
>
> So you are saying that blacks ARE indigenous to America? (That was my point
> that you guys are dodging.) If they are, then the history books will have to
> be re-written, because you said it.
The Amerinds were the indigenous peoples. Guns, alcohol, and smallpox were
great for subduing them.
> And you are doding my other point: human nature caused people to act in
> those manners, not the fact that they claimed Christianity. Maybe I should
> remind you of the atrocities caused by economics, polotics etc. ? These are
> known atrocities that Christians had absolutely nothing to do with.
>
> Stop trying to put the blame where it does not belong.
Xianity is easily corrupted, as if by design. It stinketh in the nostrils
of all that is good and pure.
> > >-------------------- ON THE SIDE ----------------
> > >
> > >
> > >I am not American, but I have caught the occasional CNN newscast from
> time
> > >to time, and it seems to me that Americans are SO DARN GULLIBLE.
> >
> > You're fuckin' A right you aren't an American! And you're a fine one to
> talk
> > about categorizing xtians when you sit there fucking sheep in New Zealand
> and
> > feel just fine categorizing Americans. You don't know shit about us and
> never
> > will.
>
> hahaha, the jokes on you, bud. Who's doing the assuming now, then?
?
> > >Yeah. right.
> > >
> > I left the above intact because I couldn't do half as good of a job as you
> have
> > of making yourself look like an idiot.
>
> For me to be an idiot, I would need to have the "mental age of up to four
> years." Again, you make assumptions.
Don't worry.
> > >Now, there are some really good Christian Americans out there (I know, I
> am
> > >in e-mail contact with quite a few.) But these other whacko's make the
> > >reputation of American Christians really yucky for the rest of them,
> right?
> > >
> > >
> > How about the death cult over in Europe recently? I'm sure if I did just
> a
> > little digging I could find some sheep fucking scandal involving the
> clergy in
> > your country. Xtians are at least similar all over the world. We have
> more
> > diversity in America than exists in all the xtian religions.
> >
> > Checkmate, hypocrit.
>
> I am glad for your part that you do not play chess. You can't win again
> Boris if you make so many assumptions.
Mate means mate.
Rev Chuck
>
> In article <Zfqo3.19$_e....@newsfeed.slurp.net> phuq...@hotmail.com wrote...
>
> > Methinks that it's just unimaginable to Arch, or anyone else, that someone
> > who has spent any length of time at all on the Usenet - ESPECIALLY in
> > christian NG's - has failed to hear of the Ku Klux Klan.
> >
> > from?
>
>
> Archbishop Mike - Prophet
> 'Awooooooooooooooooooooooooooo~~~~~' - YJK, 31st August 1998
> 'I respect Mr. Ronald Reagan.' - YJK, 20th January 1999
His being that ignorant of U.S. culture shouldn't be so shocking.
South Africa banned ownership of television sets until 1976 (Atlantic
Magazine, July, 1999). Pretense was that if the white majority saw
with their own eyes what their own government was doing to the blacks,
revolution would follow.
Rev Chuck
>
> In article <CheetahPRO_v...@blackcat.demon.co.uk>,
> archb...@blackcat.demon.co.uk wrote:
>
> >
> >> > Atheists know that gawd doesn't cause people to commit atrocities.
>
> [...]
>
> Why do you say "gawd", instead of "god" or "God"?
>
> Are you afraid that you'll be struck down for taking his name in vain?
>
> earle
> --
"Gawd" is the southern baptist pronunciation.
>
> Ambrose Bierce said:
>
> "Take not God's name in vain -- select
> A time when it will have effect."
>
> He also said:
>
> "Bear not false witness -- that is low,
> But say, "'Tis rumored so and so."
>
> And:
>
> "On Sunday do no work at all,
> But go and watch the teams play ball."
>
> __
> __/\_\
> /\_\/_/
> \/_/\_\ earle
> \/_/ jones
>
> Handgun murders in 1996:
>
> New Zealand 2
> Australia 13
> Japan 15
> Great Britain 30
> Canada 106
> Germany 213
> USA 9,390
--
Rev Chuck
>
> > Damn your stupid. You're telling a non-American that you are a
> non-American.
> > If you fucking Christians would real something other than the bible maybe
> > you would know more about the work around you instead of what it looks
> like
> > up your own asshole.
>
>
> Thank you for setting aside this special little time to announce to the
> world, through your reactions, that you are just as rotten to the core as
> you claim most Christians are.
>
> Mr. St. you are slipping. Who's going to catch you?
Oh my, Saint Jack used naughty words. Tell the teacher, maybe you'll
get a gold star. I'll bet you used to get beat up at school. A LOT.
Rev Chuck
>
> rudr...@celtic.slaughter wrote in message
> >On Sat, 31 Jul 1999 16:57:04 -0400, "Tommy Tillman"
> <tmti...@geocities.com>
>
> >And you are no scientist.
>
> Perhaps Tommy bought a lab coat at a thrift store. Isn't that all you need?
> --
> What Would Medieval Knievel Do? (WWMKD?)
> remove NOSPAM from my address to reply
> ICQ# 26667824 aa# 1552 ULC ordained minister
> EAC Coordinator of Youth Corruption Activities
Or he wears one of his daddy's old shirts backwards.
Rev Chuck
>
> On Sat, 31 Jul 1999 14:52:44 -0400, "Tommy Tillman" <tmti...@geocities.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >waste of bandwidth. get rid of it....
> >
> >
> And your degres are a waste of paper, recycle them. Maybe they'll end up as a
> coffe cup that a real scientist will pick up at a Starbuck's.
"Science education" does sound eerily like a jock course.
>
> Pope Rudraigh
> ULC Ordained Minister since 1984
> Rudraigh for President in '04
> http://www.rudraigh.com/home.html
> "I'm all alone. flame me alone.
> I'm from the land of Moo Jung Chark." YJK, 7/25/99
Rev Chuck
>
> rudr...@celtic.slaughter wrote in message
> >On Sat, 31 Jul 1999 16:59:41 -0400, "Tommy Tillman"
> <tmti...@geocities.com>
> >wrote:
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> good one..thought I'd quote it in it's entirety.
You mean that one?
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> Rev Chuck <cdub@-REMOVE_THIS-erols.com> wrote in message
> news:379E8A5D.709B@-REMOVE_THIS-erols.com..
> > Mattheq wrote:
> > >
> > > In article <7nnhsd$4si$1...@nw003t.infi.net>, "Tommy T-Rex"
> > > <tmti...@geocities.com> wrote:
> > > > No. Passed and received degrees in Physics, Science Education and
> > > > Computer Science.
> > >
> > > But not Biology?
> > >
>
> Took courses in college....
A university bachelor's degree requires 3 or more credit hours of
Biology 101. How many credit hours did you take, and what was your
highest class number?
> > > Mattheq
> > >
> > > --
> > > "And then, one Thursday nearly two thousand years after one man had been
> > > nailed to a tree for saying how great it would be to be nice to people
> for a
> > > change..." http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Station/9079/ Drop in!
> > > IA i^8 His Holiness, Pope Mattheq I
> >
> > And chemistry, astronomy, geology...
> >
>
> Required and some electives there I took while in college... made B's and
> A's... in them.
Again, how many credits, and what course numbers?
Better yet... what school?
> Thank you.... next?
Coincifuckingdence. We ask that very same question several times a week.
>
> Tommy T-Rex
Rev Chuck
>
> Rev Chuck wrote:
>
> > Medieval Knievel wrote:
> > >
> > > rudr...@celtic.slaughter wrote in message
> > > >On Sat, 31 Jul 1999 16:57:04 -0400, "Tommy Tillman"
> > > <tmti...@geocities.com>
> > >
> > > >And you are no scientist.
> > >
> > > Perhaps Tommy bought a lab coat at a thrift store. Isn't that all you need?
> > > What Would Medieval Knievel Do? (WWMKD?)
> > > remove NOSPAM from my address to reply
> > > ICQ# 26667824 aa# 1552 ULC ordained minister
> > > EAC Coordinator of Youth Corruption Activities
> >
> >
> > Nothing says you're insane like prayer.
> > Rev Chuck, Alt.Atheism #203, Ordained Reverend, ULC, 17 March, 1997.
> > Remove -REMOVE_THIS- from address to respond.
>
He got 'em with the McDonalds "Wacky Professor" Jerry Lewis Happy Meal.
>
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>
> "Do you have stopped up problem frequently? You must be
> hillbilly."
> -YJK, making no sense, as usual, 7/22/99
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rudr...@celtic.slaughter
>
>St. Jackanape <st_jac...@hellmail.zzn.com> wrote in message
>news:5IRn3.3895$jB5.144795@viper...
>>
>> a <he...@there.not> wrote in message news:7noop0$gkd$4...@hermes.is.co.za...
>> > -------------------- ON THE SIDE ----------------
>> >
>> >
>> > I am not American, but I have caught the occasional CNN newscast from
>time
>> > to time, and it seems to me that Americans are SO DARN GULLIBLE.
>>
>>
>> No more gullible than you for believing what you see on TV. We know better
>> than that over here, actually. So where does that put you?
>
>So when most of the major newspapers and tv-news stations from many nations
>all cover the same news-story, we are seeing the result of some massive
>propaganda attempt between the governments of many nations? Does that mean
>we have to go on a subversion campaign?
>
>
>
WTF are you going on about now?
Walter Bushell
<SNIP>
>These people need help. Or shot.
that reference. )
>Archbishop Mike - Prophet
>'Awooooooooooooooooooooooooooo~~~~~' - YJK, 31st August 1998
>'I respect Mr. Ronald Reagan.' - YJK, 20th January 1999
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walter
And differing opinions serve but to declare,
The truth lies somewhere, if we knew but where. A. Pope
Alex
Earle Jones wrote in message ...
> "When I was a child, I spake as a child --
> When I became a man, I put away childish things."
>
>Sound familiar?
Ghost In the Shell?
rudr...@celtic.slaughter
>a wrote in message <7ns5d3$8r8$2...@hermes.is.co.za>...
>
>>Maybe you can't read or something. Let me explain it again: I am not
>>American. Comprehend? Would it not stand to reason, that I would not be
>100%
>>familiar with the social structures that abound over the vast expanse of
>>land?
>
>Methinks that it's just unimaginable to Arch, or anyone else, that someone
>who has spent any length of time at all on the Usenet - ESPECIALLY in
>christian NG's - has failed to hear of the Ku Klux Klan. I don't think
>that's an unfair assumption on his part - they're fairly well known
>worldwide as a symbol of hatred and racism. Many would rank them second
>only to the Nazis - and only because the Nazis had decent uniforms.
>
>I'm not sure what country code .za is - where exactly are you posting from?
>
>--
>"<burrrppp!> Damn, that was one fine soul!"
>- God, speaking through Nilone
>
>"One thing I noted is they're educated persons"
>- YJK, attempting to brown-nose and failing
>
>"Opiates are the Mass of my Religion."
>- From "The Rant of the SubGenius"
>
>
>
I'm fairly sure that's New Zealand (see the post where I go on about sheep
fuckers).
rudr...@celtic.slaughter
>a (he...@there.not) wrote:
>:
>: Archbishop Mike <archb...@blackcat.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
>: news:CheetahPRO_v...@blackcat.demon.co.uk...
>: > In article <7nktsk$ojd$1...@hermes.is.co.za> he...@there.not wrote...
>: >
>: > > Are the KKK not racist against blacks?
>: >
>: > Is this a serious fucking question?
>: >
>:
>: Maybe you can't read or something. Let me explain it again: I am not
>: American. Comprehend? Would it not stand to reason, that I would not be 100%
>: familiar with the social structures that abound over the vast expanse of
>: land?
>
>Maybe so, but you're very quick to judge them in other postings:
>
>> > I am not American, but I have caught the occasional CNN newscast from
>time
>> > to time, and it seems to me that Americans are SO DARN GULLIBLE.
>
>So ... "Americans are SO DARN GULLIBLE", but you profess you don't know
>enough about the KKK to determine whether they're "racist against blacks".
>
>Make up your mind, willya!! And don't judge all 'Merkins on the basis
>of what you see on CNN - it's just not real-life!
>
>Pete C (not an American, but living in the US)
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You tell 'im Pete!
St. Jackanape
<rudr...@celtic.slaughter> wrote> >a-hole wrote in message <7ns5d3$8r8$2...@hermes.is.co.za>...
> >
> >>Maybe you can't read or something. Let me explain it again: I am not
> >>American. Comprehend
> >
from?
> >
> fuckers).
>
>
> ULC Ordained Minister since 1984
> Rudraigh for President in '04
> http://www.rudraigh.com/home.html
> "I'm all alone. flame me alone.
> I'm from the land of Moo Jung Chark." YJK, 7/25/99
We had another raving Xtian nut in here (afjc) from down there, remember?
Here's his picture:
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<rudr...@celtic.slaughter> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 28 Jul 1999 23:22:18 +0200, "a" <he...@there.not> wrote:
>
> >
> >Medieval Knievel <smell_of_...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:rps9tg$0$37nspbi$7...@news.supernews.com...
> >
> >
> >So tell me this: do you deny that you (who professes to be non-Christian)
> >are not subject to the same human nature that a Christian is?
> >
> >In case you missed it: It's human nature that results in "man's
inhumanity
> >to man" - not the fact that one professes to Christianity, Islam,
Satanism,
> >Athiesm, Mormonism, New Age, Scientology, Wicca, Magik, multi-deism,
> >mono-deism, self-deism, non-desim or whatever else you care to list.
> >
> You are such a towering moron. Atheists know that gawd doesn't cause
people to
> commit atrocities.
Aaah, careful there, your fellows might just say you're admiting that God
exists. That is not allowed, now is it?
That's right, insult me. You know I'm right, so go ahead and insult me some
more. It just goes to prove that I am right. Now, we're not allowed to have
any Christian say anything that is justified or even remotely close to the
truth, so get your friends together and find a way that you can prove your
humanity is different from that of a Christian. But because you are
athiests, you've got to play by your own set of rules. I want scientific
evidence of your statements. I want verifiable references. You are not
allowed to refer to God, since you deny the existence of one.
> Most religions don't actually tell ther subject to go out
> and kill (there are exceptions). The point being made (and what we find
most
> offensive) are the members of any religion (but xtianity especially) that
commit
> these atrocities in the name of gawd.
But you say that God doesn't exist, so why should anything relating to Him
offend you in any way?
Are you not also offended by the atrocities done for the sake of money?
Are you not also offended by the atrocities done for the sake of politics?
Are you not also offended by the atrocities done for the sake of science?
(Aaah, now we are treading on the atheists holy grail here.)
I would caution you as to how you respond (if at all) as it could seriously
affect your credibility, either one way or the other.
a
<rudr...@celtic.slaughter> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 29 Jul 1999 00:15:47 +0200, "a" <he...@there.not> wrote:
> >
> OK, you're doing a couple of things here. First of all you're taking the
old
> "true Christian" cop-out.
Where did I say anything like that? Its your assumption.
> You go tell any of those murderous thugs that they're
> not xtians and it'll be the last thing you do. Secondly you're
side-stepping
> the issue that the xtian killers do their killing "in the name of God"
whereas
> you would be hard put to actually come up with someone who claimed
outright that
> they werte killing for the atheist cause.
As I have said before (gee when will you guys ever listen): I do not deny
that there are people out there killing in the name of Jesus. But as I have
also said before (which you guys seem to conveniently ignore): There are
MORE people out there healing and doing _good_ in the name of Jesus.
To deny this fact is to prove your rejection of Christian FACTS. (Now you
are going to want SCIENTIFIC proof, no! not archaelogical -- because that's
not science, yeah right -- to support this claim. This behaviour is typical
of athiests, which is what started this whole thing anyway.)
You want proof? Go and speak to the medical doctors that have treated
patients for cancer, heart disease, viral infections etc for years and when
the patients have returned from a Cathryn Kuhlman (spel. ??) or a Benny Hinn
(or the like) meeting and they are fully cured. These doctors would give you
all the x-rays and medical proof you want.
And that's just healing, then what about all those foundations set up IN THE
NAME OF JESUS that donate food and clothes to the poor and homeless? (And
you think that our tithes have nothing to do with this?)
What about all those church functions that raise money? (Do you think that
all of it goes into the church and none ever reaches the needy? yeah right.)
What about those suffering from mental breakdown? Do you think that there
are no psychiatrists that work IN THE NAME OF JESUS? (Our pastor's wife is a
trained psychiatrist and she works both at the hospital and in the church.)
Why are you so fixated with the minority and ignore the majority? It only
takes the bad of one to cover and hide the good done by hundreds. Why?
because misery loves company.
> >BTW, how do you know they are ALL devout, anyway? How do you know that
they
> >ALL are devout to Christianity?
>
> There you go with the true xtian bullshit again. Hey bubba, you're ALL
true
> xtians as far as I'm concerened.
Yeah, we've got this secret signal you know, but I'm not allowed to say,
because then I would be damned to hell to burn for eternity. But it is much
like that signal of the fish that they used for the first couple of hundred
years after Jesus ascended.
You guys make assumptions, I ask you to verify your assumptions (are we the
only ones that have to verify ourselves) and suddenly I'm on "with the true
Christian" stuff again. Yeah right. You atheists have this very bad habit of
dodging the issues, but you constantly accuse us Christians of doing so.
Pot. Kettle. Black. (or to put it in Christian terms: Log. Eye. Brother.)
> >
> >Anyway, my reason for commenting on the KK issue was: "people in America
> >with black skin's are NOT indigenous to North America." (a nice bit of
issue
> >dodging, but we'll let it slide. for now.)
>
> *Who's* doing the issue dodging and *who* is willing to let it slide? Are
you
> telling me that when MK made his statement *you* assumed he talking about
blacks
> in America? Nobody here was talking about blacks in America till you
brought it
> up. The discussion was referring to xtians slaughtering indigenous
peoples in
> the name of gawd. And that would mean indigenous peoples of any color,
> anywhere. It was xtians that captured, traded in, bought and sold slaves
form
> Africa. It was xtians that exterminated indigenous peoples from several
island
> nations. It was xtians that hunted and killed the indiginous peoples of
the
> Americas.
>
> Who's dodging the issue, asshole?
So you are saying that blacks ARE indigenous to America? (That was my point
that you guys are dodging.) If they are, then the history books will have to
be re-written, because you said it.
And you are doding my other point: human nature caused people to act in
those manners, not the fact that they claimed Christianity. Maybe I should
remind you of the atrocities caused by economics, polotics etc. ? These are
known atrocities that Christians had absolutely nothing to do with.
Stop trying to put the blame where it does not belong.
> >
> >
> >-------------------- ON THE SIDE ----------------
> >
> >
> >I am not American, but I have caught the occasional CNN newscast from
time
> >to time, and it seems to me that Americans are SO DARN GULLIBLE.
>
> You're fuckin' A right you aren't an American! And you're a fine one to
talk
> about categorizing xtians when you sit there fucking sheep in New Zealand
and
> feel just fine categorizing Americans. You don't know shit about us and
never
> will.
hahaha, the jokes on you, bud. Who's doing the assuming now, then?
> >
> >Yeah. right.
> >
> I left the above intact because I couldn't do half as good of a job as you
have
> of making yourself look like an idiot.
For me to be an idiot, I would need to have the "mental age of up to four
years." Again, you make assumptions.
> >
a
>
> a <he...@there.not> wrote in message news:7nrfe6$omi$1...@hermes.is.co.za...
>
> > Catholics interpret the scriptures in one way, Baptists another,
> > Presbyterians another, etc. etc. etc.
>
> Well, you all can't be right so a heck of a lot of you are going to hell.
It's got nothing to do with who interprets it "right" or "wrong." What
matters is your relationship with Him.
Tell me, what did people do before a Bible was wrtten or compiled? What does
a Christian do if his Bible is lost or stolen, or if he just don't have one?
Does he stop being a Christian? No. Its all got do do with your spiritual
relationship with God. Not if you interpret the scriptures better than Joe
Soap down the road.
> If it was truly the word of God, you dumbfucks would agree. Here you have
> the actual book of "God's word" and no one knows what it means. I'd say
what
> we have here is a failure to communicate. So much for the perfect God
> theory.
>
You obviously know nothing about how God speaks and what is His Word versus
what is His word. (Note the capitalisation.) I am certainly not going to
explain this to you because, should I even attempt, then you would say that
I was trying to "convert" you. And since it is not my job to "convert"
anyone, I will leave it here. (Now, we have in the past talked about Who's
job it is to convert, go and search Deja, if they still have it in their
archives.)
You also display no knowledge of how the spiritual world works and reacts
with the physical world. I am also not going to explain this as this has
already been very briefly discussed in the past, you might still remember
the conversation, if you were following the thread, that is.
Archbishop Mike
> Methinks that it's just unimaginable to Arch, or anyone else, that someone
> who has spent any length of time at all on the Usenet - ESPECIALLY in
> christian NG's - has failed to hear of the Ku Klux Klan.
>
> I'm not sure what country code .za is - where exactly are you posting
> from?
Irony of ironies, it's South Africa.
Archbishop Mike - Prophet
Archbishop Mike
> > Atheists know that gawd doesn't cause people to commit atrocities.
>
> Aaah, careful there, your fellows might just say you're admiting that God
> exists. That is not allowed, now is it?
I also know that Archie The Wonder-Plankton doesn't cause people to
commit atrocities. Archie The Wonder-Plankton doesn't exist either. I
just made that bit up.
Logic always seems to get you, doesn't it?
> That's right, insult me. You know I'm right, so go ahead and insult me
> some more. It just goes to prove that I am right.
Okaaaay. If I insult you it means that (1) you're right and (2) it
proves you're right. There's that logic business fucking you up the
arse again.
I am starting to see why you believe in 'god'. Life would be too
confusing for you without it.
> I would caution you as to how you respond (if at all) as it could
> seriously affect your credibility, either one way or the other.
He has plenty of credibility.
You have less credibility than the last shit my cat dropped in his
sandbox. And less personality as well.
a
<astr...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:7nstk9$svi$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> In article <37A1A667...@ist.uwaterloo.ca>,
> Don Brinn <dkb...@ist.uwaterloo.ca> wrote:
> > a wrote:
> > >
> > > Archbishop Mike <archb...@blackcat.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
> > > news:CheetahPRO_v...@blackcat.demon.co.uk...
> > > > In article <7nktsk$ojd$1...@hermes.is.co.za> he...@there.not wrote...
> > > >
> > > > > Are the KKK not racist against blacks?
> > > >
> > > > Is this a serious fucking question?
> > > >
> > >
> not be 100%
> > > familiar with the social structures that abound over the vast
> expanse of
> > > land?
> >
> happy
> > to answer your question. Yes, I think it would be safe to say that
> they
> > are racist against Blacks. Blacks, Jews, Catholics... basically
> anyone
> > who isn't Protestant and who isn't descended from North-Western
> > Europeans.
> >
> > --
> > ------------------------------------------------
>
>
> I'm sure there are some good books available in many places which talk
> about the history of the united states, if not the history of the KKK.
> The group has been around for many years and gained their claim to fame
> with their hangings, burnings, rapings, killings, and what-not of the
> newly-freed african slaves.
IOW - Blacks?
It is for this that they are most renown, not so? Is it not safe to assume
that this is still one of their primary objectives?
> These days, the killings and burnings, etc
> are done infrequently and secretly. The new face of the KKK is
> equivalent to the skinhead's: Aryanism. White man is leader. All else
> must submit. Since there is a growing sentiment for white man rule
> among the population of the US, the KKK is able to make its presence
> known much closer to politicians.
>
> The bottom line is that they have been here a long time and will
> probably not leave, unless exterminated. They embody all that is
> biased, racist, bigoted, and narrow-minded in the world.
Should any group form to exercise "termination" upon them, then the newly
formed group would be just as guilty of atrocities against humanity as the
KKK are.
Points to ponder: Should that newly formed group be Christian-based (just as
the KKK are), what would that do to the atheists' argument?
Likewise the reverse: If the newly formed group were atheistic (because they
claim to be offended by atrocities committed in the name of God), what would
that do to their claims of "innocence" in matters atrocious?
Archbishop Mike
> Tell me, what did people do before a Bible was wrtten or compiled?
Masturbated a lot more.
> You obviously know nothing about how God speaks and what is His Word
> versus what is His word.
In the sense that I've never met Santa Claus either, you have a point.
> You also display no knowledge of how the spiritual world works and
> reacts with the physical world.
No doubt you can furnish us with proof that the 'spirit world' exists.
Archbishop Mike
> To deny this fact is to prove your rejection of Christian FACTS.
If christians had 'facts' then what they have wouldn't be called
'belief' or 'faith', would it?
> You want proof? Go and speak to the medical doctors that have treated
> patients for cancer, heart disease, viral infections etc for years
Is this it? I mean, is this your proof? Someone recovers from an illness
and you leap headlong at the assumption that there is a 'god'? Case and
effect seem to be as much a stranger to you as logic.
> What about all those church functions that raise money? (Do you think
> that all of it goes into the church and none ever reaches the needy?
> yeah right.)
Define 'needy'.
> What about those suffering from mental breakdown?
What about you? Is it right that anyone should force their opinions on
someone who is at a low ebb? Oh hang on, you fuckers do that to
children, don't you?
> And you are doding my other point: human nature caused people to act in
> those manners, not the fact that they claimed Christianity.
Really? And what revisionist history material are you basing that on?
a
a
> >
> > Oh, why do I bother?
> >
> >
> > Lord, forgive them for they know not what they read.
>
> Please, go join him now! He will take away the daemons persecuting you.
> Drink the Drano. Go! God commands it!
>
My word. Look at all these admissions: he admits that He exists. Wow, he
even admitted to evil spirits. He even acknowledged God's deity by the
capitalisation. He even implies that God speaks.
This is just precious.
Yeah, now you should change your name. I can just see the billboards: Mr.
St. Jackansoft. - now with added sensitivity.
David Granteer
a wrote:
> I am not American, but I have caught the occasional CNN newscast from time
> to time, and it seems to me that Americans are SO DARN GULLIBLE.
>
> Why do I say that? Well them guys seem to have all the crazy nuts of the
> world running around their neighbourhoods, starting new religions, and
> getting followers (that's the really easy part because of the gullible
> populace.) Since its America, there's an abundance of money floating about
> which quickly gets converted into guns and weapons to "protect the rights of
> our members. 'Cos 'all them' got guns too." Now the easiest way to be taken
> seriously as a "religion" or faction of one, is to run around with a Bible
> under your arm screaming the name of Jesus because every one knows THAT
> religion. (There's plenty of the telly-evangelists out there doing all the
> hard work of spreading THAT name. "Let's jump on the band-wagon, its free
> after all.") Now, they don't have to know much about the Bible, the
> telly-dudes know enough as it is, so these guys with the Bible under their
> arms can run around doing what they do best: talking up a storm. But they
> are sharp, they have to continue the charade and make it LOOK authentic, so
> they throw in the occasional reference from the Bible (taken out of context
> or without knowledge, whatever, it don't really matter does it?) Before you
> know it, you got another David Koresh or Doomsday Cult or something on your
> hands. Many people are dead and it is all the fault of Christians. It is
> God's fault.
Hey! You have us figured out pretty good! Heck, I live here and it doesn't
make any sense to me, either!
Dave
Matt Silberstein
<he...@there.not>:
>
>Mark K. Bilbo <markk...@god.mminternet.com> wrote in message
>news:379F3EF3...@god.mminternet.com...
[snip]
>> No, "good christians" carrying bibles and having been "redeemed" from
>> sin. Just read the sermons that came out of American church pulpits at
>> the time. Seems the christian "god" supports pretty much any policy the
>> culture wants.
>
>Catholics interpret the scriptures in one way, Baptists another,
>Presbyterians another, etc. etc. etc.
>
>It is not the God that "supports pretty much any policy ..." it's the way
>humans interpret the scriptures, frequently placing them out of context in
>order to lend a different meaning to them.
>
>And hey, and it's not only Christians that interpret scriptures in different
>ways, even satanists, moslems, buddhists and athiests etc. go about quoting
>all manner of verses to "prove" their points of view and attempt to
>discredit the authenticity of the Bible and its content.
>
When atheists or people from a non-Jewish/Christian/Moslem religion
quote the Bible they don't do so with the idea that the Bible is
Truth, they do so with the idea that maybe the Jew/Christian/Moslem
will pay attention. What all this shows is not that humans are somehow
fallible (which they are) but that interpreting a text as a way to
discern Truth is a hopeless task.
>Non-believers are just as guilty as believers are in interpreting the
>scriptures to "prove" their points of view.
>
But the non-believers do not, in general, assert that interpreting a
text is a good way to find Truth.
[snip]
Matt Silberstein
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That man wears his skin
like a dancer wears a veil.
That man stalks his victim
like a cancer stalks a cell.
That man's soul has left him
his heart's as deadly as a rusty nail
That man sheds his skin like a veil.