Why God couldnt or didnt save mankind with less gruesome tactics?
Truth Hunter
If there's anything that seems to be unique to Christianity, it is the
notion that God redeemed mankind by allowing his only begotten son to
suffer and die
I'm simply asking how Christians understand or explain why God couldnt
or didnt save mankind with less gruesome tactics?
So far I've seen two stabs at an answer, neither of which seem very
plausible (But then, as a non Christian, I probably have a different
idea of whats plausible)
1. Its an "iron law" that sin must bring suffering.
That may be true (or not) but it evades the question of why God
couldnt have altered, abolished, or softened the rule.
2. As God of righteousness, He had no moral choice but to be angry at
sin.
That sounda a "little" better until we realize that its an argument
for why God could not have forgiven mankind in the first place. But
since God granted His grace (according to Christians) on an totally
underserving humanity, the arguement about the rightness of anger sort
of falls apart. Despite His anger, despite the rightness of eternal
punishment for mankind, bingo! Devine grace allows us to be off the
hook. Now there's the small matter of how we get there, which is my
original question.....Given that God wanted to grant His grace, why
all the sturm und drang?
It may raise an ethical question, but its not incoherent or
mysterious. Why God allows his only begotten son to be tortured to
death seems way more mysterious and puzzling to me.
The death of Jesus does not make humans sinless or do anything about
what humans are. A God can sacrifice itself in many ways and many
times, the end result would still not able to change humans behaviours
because each humans is unique with their own sense of judgement.
How do Chistians explain why redemption could not have been achieved
by milder means?
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muhammad (piss be upon him) fourteen hundred years ago
Muhammed was a disgusting pedophile and those who spread his teachings are
more disgusting than him:
Comment: When Muhammed was about 50 years old he had dreams of marrying a
child, Aisha, who was only about 4-5 years old. How do we know this?
Muhammed lived about 570 A.D. to 632 A.D.,
he became 62 years old. Hadith tells us that when he first slept with Aisha
she was only nine years old, and that she then remained with him for the
last nine years of his life. 62-9=53,
so Muhammed was 53 years old when he first slept with the 9-year old child
Aisha, who played with dolls... When he dreamed of marrying her she was six
years old, or younger, so Muhammed was about 50 years old then. Why would a
50-year old man want a young child?
"...The Prophet (Muhammed) said to her (Aisha), 'You have been shown to me
twice in my dream.
I saw you pictured on a piece of silk and someone said (to me). 'This is
your wife.' When I uncovered the picture, I saw that it was yours. I said,
'If this is from Allah, it will be done.'"
(Hadith, Sahih Bukhari 5:58:235)
When she was 6, Muhammad asked Abu Bakr, Aisha's father, for her hand. Abu
Bakr thought it was improper, because, as he said "I am your brother";
Muhammad brushed aside Abu Bakr's reservation by saying that it was
perfectly lawful for him to marry Aisha [ Ref: SAHIH BUKHAR I7:18].
"The Prophet (Muhammed) married her (Aisha) when she was six years old and
he consummated his
marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for
nine years (i.e., till his death)."
(Hadith, Sahih Bukhari 7:62:64)
The 3 year waiting period probably had to do with the fact that at that time
Aisha had contracted some disease, whereby she, temporarily lost her hair.
Aisha was
then socially and psychologically still a child as is evidenced by the fact
that she was still
given to her toys, she was unaware of what was happening around her, and her
playmates
behave as would the children at present times [Sahih Bukhari 8:151,5:234].
"Narrated 'Aisha: 'I used to wash the traces of Janaba (semen) from the
clothes of the Prophet (Muhammed) and he used to go for prayers while traces
of water were still on
it (water spots were still visible).'"
(Hadith, Sahih Bukhari 1:4:229)
Comment: This hadith shows that, in contrast to what some people claim, the
relationship between the old man Muhammed and young Aisha was more than the
"father-daughter" kind.
"Narrated 'Aisha: I used to play with the dolls in the presence of the
Prophet (Muhammed), and my girl friends also used to play with me. When
Allah's Apostle used to
enter they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet would call them to join
and play with me."
(Hadith: Volume 8, Book 73, Number 151)
Comment: I'm not sure what the word "enter" refers to here...
"Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah: When I got married, Allah's Apostle
(Muhammed) said to me,
'What type of lady have you married?' I replied, 'I have married a matron'.
He said, 'Why, don't you have a liking for the young virgins and for
fondling them?' Jabir
also said: Allah's Apostle said, 'Why didn't you marry a young girl so that
you might play with
her and she with you?'"
(Volume 7, Book 62, Number 17)
Comment: Muhammed obviously prefered girls so young that they were still
playing, i.e. he prefered children, and he seemed surprised that his friend
Jabir bin
'Abdullah didn't.
From Khomeini's book, "Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth volume, Darol Elm, Gom,
Iran, 1990 :
A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However he
should not penetrate, sodomising the child is OK. If the man penetrates and
damages the
child then he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This
girl, however
does not count as one of his four permanent wives. The man will not be
eligible to marry the
girls sister. [...]
It is better for a girl to marry in such a time when she would begin
menstruation at her husband's house rather than her father's home. Any
father marrying his
daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven. How it all began
( a long time ago in the
isolated deserts of Arabia) :
Where sex is akin to a crime, silence is admission of your guilt. What a
corruption of "fitrah" ( human nature).
What religion condones the destruction of childhood? What are we who daily
avow our undying love for Allah to do against a system that ruthlessly
oppresses its youngest
and brightest ?
According to izlamic and western scholars, izlam is the fastest shrinking
religion in the world today, losing roughly 6 million per year.
"Truth Hunter" <hunte...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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duke
>Why God couldnt or didnt save mankind with less gruesome tactics?
>
>If there's anything that seems to be unique to Christianity, it is the
>notion that God redeemed mankind by allowing his only begotten son to
>suffer and die
>
>I'm simply asking how Christians understand or explain why God couldnt
>or didnt save mankind with less gruesome tactics?
>So far I've seen two stabs at an answer, neither of which seem very
>plausible (But then, as a non Christian, I probably have a different
>idea of whats plausible)
Actually, you've had the real answer, but ignored it.
God became man in the person of Jesus Christ to die on the cross for the redemption of
man's sin and the salvation of his soul.
Judism didn't do it as it was introduction to the final covenant.
>How do Chistians explain why redemption could not have been achieved
>by milder means?
Only God can answer.
duke
*****
Matthew 11
28"Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened,
and I will give you rest. 29Take my yoke upon you
and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in
heart, and you will find rest for your souls.
30For my yoke is easy and my burden is light."
*****
Malcolm
"Truth Hunter" <hunte...@yahoo.com> wrote
>
> Why God couldnt or didnt save mankind with less gruesome tactics?
>
> If there's anything that seems to be unique to Christianity, it is the
> notion that God redeemed mankind by allowing his only begotten son to
> suffer and die
>
> I'm simply asking how Christians understand or explain why God couldnt
> or didnt save mankind with less gruesome tactics?
> So far I've seen two stabs at an answer, neither of which seem very
> plausible (But then, as a non Christian, I probably have a different
> idea of whats plausible)
>
> 1. Its an "iron law" that sin must bring suffering.
> That may be true (or not) but it evades the question of why God
> couldnt have altered, abolished, or softened the rule.
>
then the presumption is that it is sinful. If an action is sinful then
normally it must bring suffering to someone or to something. God can't
abolish that rule any more than He can abolish the rule that jokes must
bring laughter.
>
> 2. As God of righteousness, He had no moral choice but to be angry at
> sin.
> That sounda a "little" better until we realize that its an argument
> for why God could not have forgiven mankind in the first place. But
> since God granted His grace (according to Christians) on an totally
> underserving humanity, the arguement about the rightness of anger sort
> of falls apart. Despite His anger, despite the rightness of eternal
> punishment for mankind, bingo! Devine grace allows us to be off the
> hook. Now there's the small matter of how we get there, which is my
> original question.....Given that God wanted to grant His grace, why
> all the sturm und drang?
>
>
> It may raise an ethical question, but its not incoherent or
> mysterious. Why God allows his only begotten son to be tortured to
> death seems way more mysterious and puzzling to me.
>
consequence of preaching good in a country ruled by a corrupt foreign
military regime, and with a native elite who had an interest in the
established religious system.
>
> The death of Jesus does not make humans sinless or do anything about
> what humans are. A God can sacrifice itself in many ways and many
> times, the end result would still not able to change humans behaviours
> because each humans is unique with their own sense of judgement.
>
behaviour. What it hasn't done is immediately made everyone sinless.
If humans have free will, then by definition they cannot be forced. Coke
can't force me not to buy that can of Pepsi, but their ads can certainly
persuade me.
>
> How do Chistians explain why redemption could not have been achieved
> by milder means?
>
that Jesus had to suffer death to experience the consequences of sin to its
fullest. Otherwise a murder victim could say "you, Jesus, have not
experienced death. I refuse to allow my killer to be forgiven, and you would
do the same, had it happened to you." If Jesus had asked God to send "more
than twelve legions of angels to [His] ... defence" that would have proved
that if you have military power in reserve then you can impose your will.
This isn't a complete answer to your question, but the way God chose doesn't
appear to be entirely irrational.
walksalone
followups set.
> "Truth Hunter" <hunte...@yahoo.com> wrote
>>
>> Why God couldnt or didnt save mankind with less gruesome tactics?
>>
>> If there's anything that seems to be unique to Christianity, it is the
>> notion that God redeemed mankind by allowing his only begotten son to
>> suffer and die
>>
>> I'm simply asking how Christians understand or explain why God couldnt
>> or didnt save mankind with less gruesome tactics?
>> So far I've seen two stabs at an answer, neither of which seem very
>> plausible (But then, as a non Christian, I probably have a different
>> idea of whats plausible)
>>
>> 1. Its an "iron law" that sin must bring suffering.
>> That may be true (or not) but it evades the question of why God
>> couldnt have altered, abolished, or softened the rule.
>>
> It's virtually, but not quite, a tautology. If an action brings suffering
> then the presumption is that it is sinful. If an action is sinful then
Ah, your presumption, feel free to suffer to your heart's content, by
yourself. No sharing now, wouldn't want you to miss out on your benefits.
Fortunately I am ethical enough to not require those that harm me to suffer
for eternity.
> normally it must bring suffering to someone or to something. God can't
> abolish that rule any more than He can abolish the rule that jokes must
> bring laughter.
I do thank you for probably the only honest thing I've seen you post.
Atheists have known right along that your gods are not omni-potent, & you
just verified it.
Now, what was the usage of the word god in the first century, & which three
gods on the following list are you prepared to show to be false, with
evidence to back your claims.
After all, if yours are the only true gods, it stands to reason that all
other gods [including those in your grimorie] must be false & that should
be easy to prove. Well, easy for someone like you anyway, after all, you
generate the impression that you claim to know of what you speak.
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Enki Enkidu Enkimdu Enlil
Enmerkar Enmesarra Ennugi Enoch
Enore Enuma Elish Enumclaw Enushirgal
Epalirai Eranoranhan Erathipa Erda
Ereshkigal Eridan Eridu Erivorsh
Er-lang Erlik Erra Erzulie
Es Esaugetuh Emissee Eschetewuarha Eseasar
Esege Eshara Eshmun Eshu
Eskeri Estanatlehi Etana Etemmu
Eternal Tables, The Etugen Eugpamolak Manobo Evaki
Ewah Fa'atiu Face Faces of the Forests
Fakahotu Fall False Face medicine False Face sickness
False Faces Famine Fan-kui Faravai
Faro Fastachee Fati Fatit
Fei Lian Fene Feng Bo Feng Po-po
Feng-huang Fetu Fionn Firdaus
Fire Dogs First Creator First Scolder Fisaga
Flaming Teeth Flint Man Flower Woman Foot Stuck Child
Frashegird Fravashis Fu Xi Fudo
Fudo-Myoo Fue Fujin Fuku-Nyorai
Fukurokuju Fuls Funadama Funzi
Futsu-Nushi-no-Kami Fu-xing Gabija Gabjauja
Gabriel Gad Ga-gaah Ga-gorib
Gagqa Gaki Gakido Galeru
Gallu Galokwudzuwis Gama Gamab
Gama-Sennin Gandarewa Gandharvas Ganesha
Ganga Gangan Gao Yao Gaoh
Gao-kerena Garuda Gatutkaca Gauri
Gauri Gayomard Gayomart Gbadu
Gbekre Geezhigo-Quae Gekka-o Gendenwitha
Genetaska Geong Si Geranium Gergasis
Geser Gestinanna Gethsemane Geus-Tasan
Geus-Urvan Gewi Ghaddar Ghanan
Ghede Ghoul Gibil Gilgamesh
Gilgul Giltine Girru Gleti
Glispa Glooskap Gluscabi Gluskab
Gnowee gNyan Goe Gog and Magog
Gohone Golden Calf Golem Golgotha
Goliath Gong De Tian Gong Gong Gongen
Gora-Daileng Go-Shin Tai Gou Mang Gozu-Tenno
Gramadeveta Gran Maître Grand Bois Great Mother
Greenmantle Grendel Gruagach gShen-lha od-dkar
Gu Guan-di Guan-yin Gucumatz
Guguyni Gui Gui Xian Guinee
Gukumatz Gula Gul-ses Gun
Gun Gunab Gunuko Guriang Tunggal
Guru Minda Guta Gwau Meo Gyhldeptis
Ha Wen Neyu Habaek Habakkuk Hac Tao
Hacha'kyum Hachiman Hadad Hadur
Haemosu Haenim Hafaza Haggai
Hagondes Hahau-Whenua Hahgwehdaetgan Hahgwehdiyu
Haikili Ha'il Haimavati Hai-uri
Haiwa Hala Ham Ham
Hamatsa Han Han Xian-zi Hanan Pacha
Hananim Hand of God Hanish Haniyasu-hiko
Haniyasu-hime Hanlnim Hannahannas Hantceiitehi
Hantu Hantu Air Hanui-o-Rangi Hanuman
Hanwasuit Haokah Haole Haoma
Hapinunu Harihara Haronga Harun and Haruna
Hasameli Ha-Shem Hashim Hastseoltoi
Hastshehogan Hasu-Ko Hau Hau Marangi
Haubas Haukim Haumea Haumia Tiketike
Haurvatat Hauzu'l-Kausar Hawai'iki Hawenniyo
Hawiya Haya-Ji Hazzi He Bo
He Xian-gu Hebat Hedammu Heduru
Heitsi-eibib Heldenbuch Hell Hema
He'mask.as Heng O Heo Hwangok Hepit
Herovit Hetepet Hexateuch Heyoka
Hez-ur Hiawatha Hidari Hidesato
Hi'iaka Hiisi Hike Hikohohodemi
Hikuleo Hilal Himaphan Himavat
Hina Hina-Ika Hine-i-Tapeka Hine-Kau-Ataata
Hine-nui-te-Po Hine-Tu-Whenua Hinokagutsuchi Hiranyagarbha
Hiranyakashipu Hiro Hiruko Hisagita-imisi
Hisa-Me Hittavainen Hiyoyoa Hkum Yeng
Hmin Hoderi Hoja Hoji
Hokhokw Holle Honsi Honsu
Hoori Horagalles Hor-Hekenu Horon
Horus Hosea Hoso-no-Kami Hotei
Hotoke Hototogisu Hou Ji Hou Tu
Houris Hovatu-koiari How-chu How-too
Hu Hu Jing-de Huacas Huang Fei-hu
Huang-chuan Huang-di Huang-lao Huang-lao-jun
Hubal Hudaybiya Huehueteotl Hueyuku
Huh Huitaca Huitzilopochtli Huixtocihuatl
Hukm Hulda Humay Humbaba
Humban Hun Came Hun Hunahpu Hunab Ku
Hunahpu Hunahpu Utiu Hunahpu-Gutch Hunayn
Hungan Hunhau Hunsi Huntin
Hurakan Hutama Huve Hvar
Hvarekhshaeta Hwanin Hwanung Iao
Iarilo Ibbur Ibeorgun Iblis
Ibn Abbas Ibofanga Ich-kanava Icho
Ictinike Ida Ida-Ten Idisi
Idliragijenget Idzumo Iegad Ifa
Ife Igaluk Igigi Ignirtoq
Iha-Naga Ihu Ihy ikanam
Ikanam Ika-Roa Ika-Tere Ika-Zuchi-no-Kami
Iki-Ryo Iko Iktomi Il
Ila Ilaheva Ilham Ilik
Illapa Illiyun Illujanka Illuyankas
Ilmarinen Ilmatar Ilyap'a Imana
Imhotep Imilozi Imiut Imliq
Imra Imran Imset Ina
Ina-da Samadulo Höse Inanna Inapertwa Inari
Indar Indra Indra Indrani
Ininna Injil Inkosazana Inmutef
i'noGo tied Insal Al-Kamil In-Sha'-Allah Inti
Intulo Inua inyana Io
Ioskeha Ipalnemohuani Ipet Iqi-Balam
Ira Ira-Waru Irkalla Irmin
Irsirra Isaac Isaiah Isara
Isdes Isdustaya Isha Ishigaq
Ishkhara Ishkur Ishtar Ishullana
Ishum Ishvara Isis Isitoq
Islam Isma'il Isora Israfel
Issitoq Issunboshi Isten Isten
italugi itan Itchita Ite
Ittan-momen Itzamna Itzananohk`u Itzlacoliuhque
Itzli Iva I'wai Ix
Ix Chebel Yax Ixchel Ixmucane Ixpiyacoc
Ixtab Ixtlilton Ixzaluoh Iya
Iyatiku Izanagi Izanami Izdubar
Izha Iztaccihuatl Jabru Jachin
Jacob's Staff Jaganmatri Jagganath Jahannam
Jahnu Jalal Jalamdhara Jaljogini
Jamal Jamm Jamshid Jan
Janguli Japhet Jarih Jarovit
Jarri Jar-Sub Jebro Jeh
Jehova Jentayu Jessis Jesus Christ
Ji Nu Jian Di Jian Lao Jiang Shr
Jigami Jikininki Jikogu Jikoku
Jimmu Tenno Jin Jin Jia Jin Laut
Jingo Jingu Jinushigami Jizo
Jogah Joh Jok Jonah
Judi Juesaes Juichimen Julana
Julunggul Juma Jumala Junit
Juok Jurojin Jurupari Jyothisha
ka Kaaba Kaakwha Kaang
Ka-Ata-Killa Kabun Kachina Kadlu
Kaf Kafur Kagutsuchi Kaha'i
Ka-Ha-Si Kahoali Kahomovailahi Kahukura
Kaik Kai-n-Tiku-Aba Kaitabha Kaiti
Kaka-Guie Kakka Kaksisa Kalamainu
Kalevanpojat Kalfu kali Kali
Kalki Kalma Kalseru Kaluk
Kalunga Kama Kamado-gami Kamaitachi
Kamapua'a Kambel Kame Kami
Kamidana Kami-kaze Kami-Musubi Kaminari
Kamohoalii Kamrusepa Kamulla Kan
Kanae Kanaka Kanaloa Kana'ti and Selu
Kanayama-hiko Kanayama-hime Kane Kane Hoalani
Kanteletar Kan-u-Uayeyab Kan-xib-yui Kapila
Kapo Kapoonis Kappa Kapua
Kapuku Kara-han Karei Karihi
Karna Karora Karshipta Karttikeya
Kaswa, Al Kasyapa Kat Katanes
Kataragama Kathar Katib Kaukas
Kauket Kaulu Kavi Kavvana
Kawa-no-Kami Kawaya-no-kami Kayanuhime-no-Kami Kaze-no-Kami
Kazikamuntu Kebechet Kebechsenef Keelut
Keeta-skog Kee-wakw Kee-zos-en Kefitzat ha-Derekh
Kematef Kemwer Kenro-Ji-Jin Keremet
Khaldi Khalilu'llah Khandava Khannas
Khanzab Khara Khem Khentamenti
Khentimentiu Khepri Khetrpal Khnum
Kholomodumo Khonvoum Khors Khovaki
Khrut Khshathra vairya Khuld Khuluppu
Khusaw Khusor Ki Kianto
Kiavari Kidili Kigatilik Kihe-Wahine
Kiho Tumu Kihunai Ki'I Kiji
Kijo Kiku Ki-lin Kilioa
Kim Alji Kim Suro Kimat Kimpurushas
K'in Kingu Kinich Ahau Kinich Kakmo
Kinnara Kinnaras Kintaro Kirin
Kis Kishelemukong Kishi-Bojin Kishijoten
Kishimo-jin Kisin Kiskill-lilla Kitap Ngelmu
Kitsune-Tsuki Kiwa Kiwi Kiyo
Klieng Klu Kmukamch Kodomo-no-Inari
Koeulla Koevasi Koftim Ko-gok
Kohara Kojiki Kojin Koki
Kokopelli Kokutai Koliada Ko'lok
Komba Kombu Komoku Kompera
Kon Konaki Jiji Kondole Kongo
Kongo-Kai Ko-no-Hana Korawas Koriro
Korrawi Korware Koshchei Koshin
Kothar Kothar-u-Khasis Koya-no-Myoin Koya-Shonin
Kratim Kratti Krishna Krittikas
Kru Ksheera Sagara K-tsee Awa-soos Ku
Kuala Kuang Shi Kubera Kud
Kudia Kui Kui-xing Kujiga
Kuk Kukailimoku Kuku Lau Kukulcan
Kukunochi-no-Kami Kukuth Kul Kulitta
Kulla Kul-Uasa Kulullu Kumarbi
Kumiho Kumo Kumokomba Kumu-Honua
Kumulipo Kunapipi Kundrav Kuni-Toko-tachi
Kunitsu-Kami Kun-lun Kupala Kupua
Kur Kurabi Kura-Okami Kurke
Kurma Kuru Kurukulla Kuruma
Kusag Kushapatshikan Kusuh Kutjara
Kutkinnaku Kutni Kutya'I Kwaku Ananse
Kwakwakalanooksiwae Kwatee Kwatyat Kwekwaxa'we
Kwikumat Kwoth Kyoi Kyun-gai mGo-can
La'a Maomao Labbu Labuna Lada
Lagua Lahar Lahatala Lahurati
Lahut Laka Laki Tenangan Lakshmana
Lakshmi Lamastu Lamed Vav Lan Cai-he
Land Otter People Langsoir Lanij and Lewoj Lao-jun
Lascowiec Latura Laufakanaa Laukosargas
Laume Lawalawa Lawkapatim Legba
Lei-gong Lei-zi Lemba Lemminkâinen
Letao Levi Leviathan Lewalevu
Leyak Leza Lha Lhamo
Li Tie-guai Li T'ien Lidah Bumi Lijakwe
Liktanur Lilith Liluri Limba
Limbo Limdunanji Limu Ling Xiao Bao Dian
Lingadua Ling-bao tian-zong Ling-guan L'inglesou
Lioumere Lipsipsip Lisa Liu Bei
Ljeschi Ljubi Loa LoBeibat
Loco Logobola Lokapalas Loko
Lo-lol Lona Lone Man Long
Long cold Long Nose Longorik and Longolap Long-wang
Lono Loon Loon Medicine Loon Woman
Losi Lot Lotan Lowa
Lowalangi Lu Ban Lu Dong-bin Lua-o-Milu
Lubaale Lucian Lucifer Lucius
Lugeilan Lugulbanda Luk Luke
Lukman Luot-chozjik Lutin Lu-xing
Luz Ma Wang Maahes Maahiset
Ma'at Machanu Macuilxochitl Madderakka
Mademoiselle Charlotte Mae Maenam Maero
Mafdet Mafui'e Maganda Magatama
Magigi Magilum Mago Mah
Mahadeva Mahakala Mahameru Mahes
Mahiki Mahina Mahiuki Mahre and Mahrianag
Mahrem Mahucutah Mahu-ike Maihun
Mait' Carrefour Maîtresse Délai Maîtresse Hounon'gon Maitreya
Makara Makara Makea-Tutara Makemake
Makenaima Makunaima Makutu Malachi
Malahas Malakas Malakbel Malara
Malesk Malina Malinalxochi Malsumis
Mama Mama Allpa Mama Cocha Mama Oello
Mama Pacha Mama Quilla Maman Brigitte Mamaragan
Mambo Mami Mami Wata Ma-mian
Mamitu Mamlambo Mammetu Mammetum
Mammon Mammuyon Man in moon Mana
Manabozho Manaf Managilunod Managtanem
Manakib Manananggal Manasa-Devi Manat
Manawa Manco Capac Mandah Mandarangan
Maneki neko Manetuwak Mangala Bulan Mangar-kunjer-kunja
Mango-Roa-I-Ata Manitou Mannegishi Mannumbo
Mantchu-Muchangu Manu Manu Manuk Patiaraja
Mao Maohi Mara Marama
Marassa Marassa Jumeaux Marawa Marduk
Mareikura Mari Marid Marikoriko
Marinette Marisha-Ten Mar'rallang Marré
Marruni Marttanda Martu Maru
Marunogere Maruts Masaya Masewi
Mashyane Mashye Maski-mon-gwe-zo-os Massassi
Massim-Biambe Mastema Master of Life Mata Upola
Matabiri Matagaigai Matagi Matariki
Matarisvan Mat-gwas Mati Syra Zemlya Matshishkapeu
Matsya Matteh Matuku Matuku Tago Tago
Matuu Maui Mauri Mavutsinim
Mawu Mayahuel Mayon Mazikeen
Mbaba Mwana Waresa Mbere Mbir Mbomba
Mbon Mbotumbo M-da-weelh-ak Medeine
Medeoulin Medicine Meek-moos-ak Mehen
Mehturt Meiden Mejenkwaar Mekala
Melchizedek Memra Men Mendes
Menehune Menhit Menog Men-shen
Menthu Mentu Merau Meret
Meretseger Meri Merodach Merodach
Merong Maha Wangsa Mert-sekert Meru Mesede
Mesenet Mesha Meskhenet Metamorphoses
Metamorphosis Magic Metatron Meteinuwak Methuselah
Metsänneitsyt Metztli Mextli Micah
Micaiah Michabo Michael Mictanteot
Mictlan Mictlantecuhtli Mihos Mihr
Mikchich Mikula Mikumwesu milk
Milk Milkom Milu Min
Minaksi Minawara Minga Bengale Miro
Miru Misca Misogi-Kyo Misor
Miss Nancy Mithra Mitnal Mitra
Mixcoatl Miyazu-Hime Mizuhame-no-Mikoto Mnewer
Mobad Mochi Mo-hi-hai Mokele-Mbembe
Moko Mokoi Mokos Moksa
Moloch Mombu Momotaro Mon
Mongwi Kachinum Monju-Bosatsu Monkey Monkey King
Mool-sem Moor-Slayer Moos-bas Mordecai
Moses Moshanyana Mot Motho and Mungo
Motikitik Motoro Mounanchou Mountain Man
Mountain Woman M-ska-gwe-demoos Mu Gong Mucalinda
Mugasa Mugasha Muhammad Muhyi
Muireartach Mujinto Mu-king Mukuru
Mulac Mulajadi na Bolon Mulitta Mulo
Mulungu Muma Padurii Mummu Mura-mura
Murimuria Mursal Murukan Musisi
Musso Koroni Musubi-no-Kami Mut Muut
Muwakkil Muyingwa Myesyats Mylitta
Na Atibu Na Kika Naaki Nabangatai
Nabu Nacon Nadab Nagas
Nagi Tanka Nago Shango Nagual Nahhundi
Nahi Nahual Nahum Nai-no-Kami
Nainuema Nairyosangha Najade Nakaa
Nakatsu-Hime Naka-Yama-Tsu-Mi Nakisawame Nakshatras
Nala Namaka Namita Nammu
Namrud Namtar Namuci Namus
Nana Buluku Nanabozho Nanaja Nanauatzin
Nana-Ula Nandi Nandini Nanghaithya
Nang-lha Naniumlap Nankil'slas Nanna
Nannar Nanom-keea-po-da Nanook Nanshe
Napir Napkirály Narada Narada
Naraka Narasinha Nareau Nari
Naryana Nasnas Nasr Natha
Nathan Nats Naum Naunet
Nav N-dam-keno-wet Ndara Ndauthina
Ndengei Nebaioth Neb-er-tcher Nebtuu
Nebuchadnezzar Nebuchadrezzar Nechmetawaj Nechushtan
Nee-ben Neferhor Nefertem Negafook
Negoogunogumbar Nehalennia Neheb-ka Nehebkau
Nehemiah Nei Marena Nei Teuke Nei Tituaabine
Neiterogob Neith Nekhbet Nenun
Neper Nephilim Nephthys Nepit
Nergal Neriosang Nerrivik Nerthus
Nesr Neter-khertet Neti Nevinbimbaau
Nga Nga-Atua Ngai Nganaoa
Nganga Ngariman Ngaro Ngaru
Ngendi Ngurai Nha-San Nianque
Nibhaz Nidaba Nikkal Nikko-Bosatsu
Nikobo Niman Nimush Nin
Nin-agal Ninatta Ninawa Ninazu
Nindukugga Ninedinna ning wot Ningal
Ningirsu Nin-gishzida Ningizzida Ninhursag
Ninib Ninigi-no-mikoto Nin'insina Ninkarrak
Ninkasi Ninki Ninlil Ninmah
Ninshar Ninsun Ninsusinak Nintu
Nintur Ninurta Ninyo Nioo
Nirah Nirriti Nirrta Nirrti
Nirvana Nisaba Nisaba Nishanu
Nisir Nisroch Niu Wang Niu-you
Nkosi Yama'kosi Nogomain Nohochacyum Nokomis
Nominosukune Nommo Nomoi Nonadey
Nootaikok Nu Nuba Nudimmud
Nuga Nü-gua Nujalik Nukatem
Num Numi-Torem Nun Nunet
Nunne Chaha Nur Nurikabe Nusku
Nusku Nut Nu'u Nyalitch
Nyame Nyia Nyorai Nyrckes
Nyungu Nzame Nzeanzo Oa Rove
O-Ana-Mochi Oanomochi Obadiah Obassi
Obatala Obrigwabibikwa Ochun Odel
Odqan Odudua Odzihozo Ogdoad
Ogoun Oho-Kuninushi Ohonamochi Oho-Yama
Ohtas Ojin Tenno Oki Okuni-Nushi
Old Man Olelbis Olifat Olmai
Oloddumare Olofat Olokun Olorun
Omacatl Ombwiri Omecihuatl Ometecuhtli
Ometeotl Omitsunu On Onamuji
Onatha One Tail of Clear Hair Oni Ono
Ono pacakoti Oodzee-hozo Oonawieh Unggi Opochtli
Ora Ordog Orisha Ormazd
Oro Oromila Orotal Orungan
Orunmila Oryonggeo Oshun Oshunmare
Osiris Ostara Ot Otohime
Ouroboros Ovinnik Owatatsumi Owl Woman
Oxocé Oya Oyamatsumi Oya-Shima-Guni
Pa Pa Pandir Pa-cha Pachacamac
Pachet Pa-don-gi-ak Pah Pahuanui
Paikea Pajainen Pajonn Pak Hyeokkeose
Paka'a Pakku Pakrokitat Pakua
Paliuli Palk Palulop Pamba
Pan Jin Lian Pana Pane na Bolon Pan-gu
Pani Paoro Papa Papa Legba
Papare Papaya Papsukkel Para
Parasurama Pariacaca Paricia Parvati
Patal Patecatl Pattini Paynal
Pazuzu Pe-ben Pekko Pele
Pellervoinen Pemtemweha Peng-lai Peng-zi
Pentatecu Pere Perendi Pereplut
Peris Perit Perkunas Perun
Peshdadians Petbe Petesuchos Petro
Pia Piasa Picullus Picvucin
Pidray Pie Pigobara Pikváhahirak
Pili Pim-skwa-wagen-owad Pincoya Pinga
Pinikir Pishashas Pitru-ganas Pitua
Pla-ween-noo Pok-wejee-men Polevik Polovoi
Pomola Pon Pontianak Popocatepetl
Porenutius Porevit Porpoise Girl Potipher
Pot-tilter Poukai Pradyumna Prairie Falcon
Prajapati Prajapatis Preas Eyn Preas Eyssaur
Preas Prohm Prende Preta Prisni
Prthivi P-skig-demo-os P-son-en Ptah
Ptah-Seker-Osiris Ptehehincalasanwin Pua Tu Tahi Puchan
Pue di Songi Pue m Palaburu Pueulla Pugu
Pukatala Pukkeenegak Puna Punchau
Pundjel Puntan Puranas Purgine-Pas
Purusha Pusa Pusait Pusat Tasik
Pushan Putana Puteri Gunung Ledang Putuperereko
Puzur-Amurri Pyramus and Thisbe Qada Qadesh
Qalam Qamaits Qandisa Qat
Qaynan Qeb Qetesh Qi Gu-niang
Qingu Qin-shu-pao Qiqirn Qisas Al-Anbiya
Qormusta Quades Quamta Quaoar
Quetzalcoatl Qumu Qusur Qutb
Qutrub Quzah Ra Raa
Raashiel Rabbi Loeb Rabbu'l-Nau' Radogast
Raeit Ngabal Rahim Rahkoi Rahman
Rahu Raicho Raiden Raijin
Raiju Raiko Raitaro Raj
Raja Angin Raja Hantuen Raja Indainda Raja Jinn Peri
Raja Naga Raka Raka Maomao Rakan
Raksasa Raksha Raktavija Raluvimbha
Ram Rama Ramachandra Ramman
Ramman Ran-deng Rangi Raphael
Raphael Rapithwin Rarog Rashnu
Rasoalao Rat Rata Rati
Ratri Rat-taui Ratu-mai-mbula Rauni
Ravana Raven Ravi Ravola
Raw Gums Razana Razanajanahary Re
Rediyas Re'em Rehua Reiko
Reitia Renenet Renenutet Renpet
Rephaim Reret Resef Reshef
Reshep Resheph Rhibus Rig Veda
Riiki and Rigi Riiti Rimenanwe Rimmon
Rimu Rishis Risis Rock-Sene
Rod Rohe Rongelap and Rongerik Rongo
Rongo-Mai Ro'o Roua rta
Ru Ru Shou Rua Rua-Tapu
Ruau-Moko Ruda Rudra Rugiviet
Ruhu'llah Ruki Rukmini Rundas
Rustam Ruti Ryangombe Ryo-Wo
Ryugu Ryujin Saa saba-leippya
Sa-bdag Saci Sadhyas Sadrapa
Sae-no-Kami Safura Sagamores Sagapgia
Sahaba Sai Sa'ir Saitan
Sajigor Sakhmet Sakina Sakpata
Salbatanu Salman Salsabil Sama Veda
Samael Sambara Sambo-kojin Samebito
Sampo Sampsa Samseong myth Samson
Samuel Samulayo Samuqan Sanam
Sangrail Sangs-po bum-khri San-guan San-huang
Sani Sanopi San-qing Sanshilyong
San-xing Saps Saqar Sara
Sarama Sarandib Saranyu Sarasvati
Sarruma Sarudahiko Sarutahiko Ohkami Satan
Sataran Satet Sati Satis
Saurva Sava Savali Savitar
Savitr Savitri Savriti Sayfu'llah
Sayhun Saynday Sayyid Scorpion Men
Scotia Se Seb Sebek
Sechat-Hor Sed Sedna See-gwen
Seides Seker Selardi Sengen
Sennin Sentait Seok T'alhae Sepa
Septu Seraphim Serapis Seri and Hurri
Serket Serq Sesha Seshat
Sesmu Setebos Seth Shabah
Shabbat Hamalka Shachihoko Shadrapha Shafan
Shahar Shai Shait Shaka
Shakpana Shakti Shakuru Shamash
Shango Shapash Sharuma Shasti
Shaubarak She-di Shekhina Shem
Shen Yi Shen-nung Shesanaga Shezbeth
Shi Tenno Shichi Fujukin Shihab Shiko-Me
Shinda Shine-To-Be Shine-Tsu-Hiko Shiq
Shi-Ryo Shitatera-Hime Shiti Dama Shitta
Shiva Shka-Bavas Shki-Pas Shoden
Shodo Shonin Shojo Shoki Sholmos
Shotoku Shou-lao Shou-xing Shu
Shu'ayb Shudkher Shui-guan Shullat
Shulpae Shun Shurdi Shutu
Si Sia Siats Sibzianna
Sida Siddhas Siddiq Sidrat-Al-Muntaha
Siduri Siga Sihai Siho I Salo
Sijil Sijjin Si'la Sila
Silewe Nazarate Silili Siliniez Simargl
Simbi Si-ming Simon Simurgh
Sin Sin Sina Sinaa
Singa Singbonga Sinlap Sint Holo
Sipe Gyalmo Sirao Sirat al-Mustaqim Sisiutl
Sita Siu Yan Siwini Skambha
Skan Skanda Smaj Snallygaster
Sno-Nysoa Sobek Sobo Sogbo
Soku-no-Kumi Solanang Solang Solmundae Halmang
Solomon Soma Somtus Song Di
Song-zi niang-niang Sons of Horus Sopdet Sopedu
Sophia Soripada Sosondowah Sousson-Pannan
Spandaramat Spenta Mainyu Spider Spider Woman
Spor Sraosa Sri Sri
Srin-po Srosh Ssu Ling Sta-au
Stonecoats Stribog Striges Sudharma
Sudjaje Sudum Sugriva Suijin
Suitengu Sukra Sukuna-Biko Sulayman
Sulpa'e Sumba Sun Hou-zi Sun Wu-Kung
Sungrey Sun-pi Sunuwavi Suparsha
Supay Surial Surma Surya
Susanowa Sut Suwa' Suyolak
Svaha Svantetit Svarga Svarog
Svarozic Svatog Svetovit Svyatogor
Syen Szélkirály Ta Tanka Ta'aroa
Taautos Tabaldak Tabor Tabut
Tadaklan Tagaloa Tagaro Taghut
Taha Tahekeroa Tahiti Tokerau Taime
Taiowa Taishaku Tai-sui-xing Tai-yi
Tai-yue da-di Takamagahara Takami-Musubi Takara-Bune
Takemikadzuchi Taki-Tsu-Hiko Ta'lab Talay
Talocan Talut Tama Nui-Te-Ra Tamagostad
Tamapo Taming Sari Tammuz Tamon
Tanaoa Tane Tane-Mahuta Tanen
Tang Tangaloa Tangara Tangaroa
Tangotango Tangun Tanjim Tans
Tao-de tian-zong Taonoui Taouris Tapairu
Tapio Taqwus Tara Tara
Taraka Taranaich Taranga Tarhuhyiawahku
Tarhun Taringa Nui Tarogolo Tarquiup Inua
Tasenetnofret Ta-tchesert Tate Tatenen
Tatsuta-hime Taurt Tau-Titi Tawa
Tawals Taweret Tawhaki Tawhiri
Tawiscara Tawrah Tawrich Ta'xet
Tchue Tcisaki Te Ikawai Te Nao
Te Rongo Te Toi-o-nga-Rangi Tecciztecatl Tecumbalam
Tefnut Tekkeitsertok Telavel Tele
Teljavelik Telmekic Ten Tenenit
Tengri Ten-gu Tenjin Tennin
Tenshi Teoyaomqui Tepeu Tepeyollotl
Terafim Terah Tere Terlain
Teshub TeSub Teteoinnan Tetrateuch
Tevake Tezcatlipoca Thabet Thab-lha
Theispas Thisbe Thomagata Thoth
Th'uban Thunaupa Thunder Bird Ti Jean Quinto
Ti Malice Tia Tiamat Tian Hou
Tian-di Tian-guan Tian-long Tian-mu
Tian-wang Tian-zong Tiermes Tihtipihin
Ti-Jean Petro Tikdoshe Tiki Tiki
Tikokura Tingang Tinirau Tipua
Tir Tir Tirawa Tistrya
Titlacauan tjetajat Tjilpa Tjinimin
Tlacolotl Tlahuixcalpantecuhtli Tlaloc Tlaltecuhtli
Tlazolteotl Tlillan-Tlapallan Tloquenahuaque To Kabinana and To Karvuvu
Tobolar Todote Toeris Tohil
Tokebi Tokoyo-no-Kuni Tokpela Tokutaro-San
Toletoleben Tol-Harubang Tomam Tomor
Tonacacihuatl Tonacatecuhtli Tonantzin Tonatiuh
Tonenili Tonga Tonga-Hiti Toniwha
Tool-ba Tootega Tophet Topielce
Tore Torem Tork Tornarsuk
Torngasoak Toru Toyo-Uke-Bime Toyouke-Omikami
Trauco Triglav Trimurti Trinity
Trisiras Troian Tsa-tsamolee-as Tsichtinako
Tsi-noo Tsohanoai Tsonoqwa Tsui
Tsuki-Yumi Tsul 'Kalu Tsuyu Tu
Tu Matauenga Tuat Tua-Uo-Loa Tucupacha
Tu-di Tui Delai Gau Tukma Tulugaak
Tumas Tumudurere Tuna Tung-ak
Tuniai Tuonela Tupan Turehu
Turquoise Boy Turris Tursas Tushnamatay
Tu-Te-Wehiwehi Tutu Tuwa Tuwale
Tvashtri Txamsem Tzakol Tzitzimime
Tzununiha Uazzale Uba Ubara-Tutu
Ubelluris Uca Pacha Uchtsiti Udó
Uekera Uentshukumishiteu Ueuecoyotl Ufir
Uga-Jin Uga-no-Mitama Ugar Ugly Way
Ugni Uhepono Uhlakanyana Uira
Uj Ujigami Ukemochi Ukoback
uKqili Ukupanipo Ul Ulanji
Ulgan Ullikummi Ulupoka Uma
Umay Ummanu Umunmutamkag Umunmutamku
Umvelinqangi Underwater Panthers Underworld Uneg
Ungnyo Ungud Unhcegila Unipkaat
Unktomi Unkulunkulu Un-nefer Untunktahe
Unumbotte Unut Unvelingange Unwaba
Upanishads Upelluri Upolu Upulevo
Upulvan Uqba Uranga-o-Te-Ra Urashima Taro
Urcaguary Urian Uriel Urmen
Uroda Urshanabi Urthekau Uruk
Urutonga Urvasi Ushas Usma
Utea Uthlanga Utnapishtim Uttu
Utu Uwashil Uwibami Uzume
Vach Vahagn Vaimanika Vaitere
Vajrasattva Vamana Vanadevatas Vanant
Varaha Varima-te-Takere Varpulis Varuna
Vasishtha Vassagijik Vasudeva Vasuki
Vasus Vata Vatea Vayu
Vedas Veda-vyasa Vele Veles
Vellamo Velnias Verbti Verethragna
Vesna Vichama Vidyadharas Vila
Ville au Camp Vily Virabhadra Viracocha
Viraj Virtues Vis Vishap
Vishnu Visvakarma Vitu Vivasvat
Vizetot Vizi-ember Vizimba Vlkodlaks
Vodu Vohu Manah Volla Voltan
Voodoo Votan Vouruskasha Vritra
Vucub Caquix Vyantara Wabosso Wabun
Wadd Wad-zoos-en Wahie Loa Wahie Roa
Wahy Waiora Waitiri Wak
Wakahiru-me Wakan Wakanda Wakea
Wakinyan Wakoo Walafar Walgino
Walichu Walo Walutahanga Wan niomi
Wana-games-ak Wanagi Wananga Wananikwe
Wang Mu niang-niang Wantu-su Wapaq Waralden Olmai
Waramurungundi Warohunugamwanehaor Wasilla
Wassan-mon-ganeehla-ak Wasterzhi Waswas
Wata-tsu-mi Watavinewa Watcher Water babies
Wati-kutjara Watu Gunang Waukheon Wawalag
Wa-won-dee-a-megw Wayland We-duo We-gyet
Wei Cheng Wei-tuo Wele Wemicus
Wen-chang Wendigo Wen-shu Wentshukumishiteu
Wepwawet Were Whatu Where-Ao
Whiro White Buffalo Calf Woman Whope
Wi Wicahmunga Wichama Wihmunga
Wisagatcak Wishpoosh Witiko Witsanukam
Wiyot Wodan Wollunqua Wondjina
Wosyet Woto Wovoka Wu Guan
Wu Yo Wu-di Wulbari Wuluwaid
Wunekau Wuragag Wurake Wuriupranili
Wurrunna Wurukatte Wurusemu Wuya
Xaman Ek Xecotcovach Xelas Xevioso
Xewioso Xi Shi Xi Wang-mu Xian
Xibalba Xilonen Xipe Totec Xiuhcoatl
Xiuhtecuhtli Xmucane and Xpiayoc Xochipilli Xochiquetzal
Xocotl Xolotl Yaaru Yabune
Yacatecuhtli Yaghuth Yahweh Yahya
Yajur Veda Yaksha Yakushi-nyorai Yalafath
Yaluk Yam Yama Yama
Yama Yama Yama-no-kami Yamatanka
Yamato Yamato Take Yama-Uba Yambe-akka
Yami Yamm Yam-Nahar Yanauluha
Yang Jing Yangeulla Yangombi Yan-lo
Yansan Yao Ya-o-gah Yao-shi
Yaotl Yara-ma-yha-who Yarhibol Yarovit
Yasha Yasht Ya'uq Yazata
Yehl Yehwe Zogbanu Yekum Yemaja
Yen-di Yeta Yezidi Yhi
Yima Yimantuwingyai Yi-Ti Ynakhsyt
Yo Yofune-Nushi Yogini Yokwe
Yolkai Estasan Yomi Yomi-no-kuni Yondung Halmoni
Yongwang Yoni Yorimasa Yorka
Yosei Yoshitsune Yosho Yoskeha
Yryn-ai-tojon Yu Yuan-shi tian-zong Yuga
Yu-huang Yuhwa Yuki-Onna Yum Caax
Yu-qiang Yu-ren Yurlungur Yurugy
Yuwipi Zababa Zadkiel Zagam
Zaim Zakar Zal Zalambur
Zaltys Zam Zam-Armatay Zamzummims
Zanahary Zanjabil Zao-jun Zappu
Zaqar Zaramama Zarathustra Zarich
Zarpanit Zauba'a Zem Zem Zemepates
Zemininkas Zempat Zemyna Zend-Avesta
Zenenet Zepar Zephaniah Zhang Fei
Zhang Guo-lao Zhang Xian Zhi Song-zi Zhi-ni
Zhong kui Zhong Li-quan Zhong-kui Zhu Rong
Zhu-yi Zin Zinkibaru Zinsu and Zinsi
Zipacna Zisutra Ziusudra Zivena
Zi-yu Zocho Zonget Zorya
Zotz Zroya Zu Zurah
Zurvan Zvezda Dennitsa Zvezda Vechernyaya
>> 2. As God of righteousness, He had no moral choice but to be angry at
>> sin.
>> That sounda a "little" better until we realize that its an argument
>> for why God could not have forgiven mankind in the first place. But
>> since God granted His grace (according to Christians) on an totally
>> underserving humanity, the arguement about the rightness of anger sort
>> of falls apart. Despite His anger, despite the rightness of eternal
>> punishment for mankind, bingo! Devine grace allows us to be off the
>> hook. Now there's the small matter of how we get there, which is my
>> original question.....Given that God wanted to grant His grace, why
>> all the sturm und drang?
>>
> What would you do if your child committed a murder?
Typically dishonest., that was not the question & your attempt to divert
attention from it is one of the reasons people are less than impressed with
your pseudo intellectual of vast knowledge routine.
Snip meandering's of Malcolm, who has yet to answer a question, though he
pretends to.
walksalone who notices Malcolm doe snot answer questions, but expects other
to answer his for him.
--
Jesus was almost certainly not 'of Nazareth'. An overwhelming
body of evidence indicates that Nazareth did not exist in biblical
times. The town is unlikely to have appeared before the third century.
[Baigent, Leigh and Lincoln, The Messianic Legacy ]
bob young
Truth Hunter wrote:
It would do away with the main props of contemporary Christianity, i.e. JC and
bible. Just ask yourself how long this superstition would take to fizzle out
without these two props. Early Christians may have been superstitious, but
they sure knew how to bamboozle their followers. They would make first class
marketing excutives if they were alive today!
bob young
Malcolm wrote:
......and the rest of the world? The millions of Asians, all of the Africans,
the Indians on the Continent that later would become the USA. Why were all
these missing out on the works of this god and his so called son?
Because it was all a localised myth maybe?
bob young
duke wrote:
> On 31 Jul 2004 08:58:30 -0700, hunte...@yahoo.com (Truth Hunter) wrote:
>
> >Why God couldnt or didnt save mankind with less gruesome tactics?
> >
> >If there's anything that seems to be unique to Christianity, it is the
> >notion that God redeemed mankind by allowing his only begotten son to
> >suffer and die
> >
> >I'm simply asking how Christians understand or explain why God couldnt
> >or didnt save mankind with less gruesome tactics?
>
> >So far I've seen two stabs at an answer, neither of which seem very
> >plausible (But then, as a non Christian, I probably have a different
> >idea of whats plausible)
>
> Actually, you've had the real answer, but ignored it.
>
> God became man in the person of Jesus Christ to die on the cross for the redemption of
> man's sin and the salvation of his soul.
>
> Judism didn't do it as it was introduction to the final covenant.
>
> >How do Chistians explain why redemption could not have been achieved
> >by milder means?
>
> Only God can answer.
you mean one of these gods?.......
>
> Achall [goddess]Earth and Nature; unhappiness. Ireland
> Achtan [goddess] Hunting and wild animals. Ireland
> Adsullata [goddess] Spring
> Aeron War [goddess] Wales War
> Aeval [goddess] Love and sexuality; Magic. Ireland Fairy Queen of Munster.
> Agrona [goddesss] Destroyer of life. Wales Goddess of slaughter
> Aibell [goddess] Beauty; Arts; Magic; Destroyer of life; Mother and
guardian; Education and
> knowledge. Ireland
> Aibheaog [goddess] Fire. Ireland Fire goddess in County Donegal. She was
worshipped at Tober Breda.
> Aide [goddess] Magic; Water. Ireland Wife of the Irish god Enna.
> Aidin [goddess] [Aideen] Love and sexuality. Ireland
Following is an academic list of various Gods. Can anyone tell me which is
or are the REAL
God or Gods?
> Aige [goddess] Demi-animals; water; unhappiness
> Ailinn [goddess] Love. Ireland
> Aille [goddess]Justice. Ireland
> Aille sought revenge when her husband, Meargach of Green Spears, was
killed in
> battle. When her attempt was unsuccessfull she committed suicide.
> Aimend [goddess] Sun and Day. Ireland
> Sun goddess. Daugther of the king Corco Loigde.
> Ain [goddess] Justice Ireland
> One of two sister said to be responsible for the high status of women in
ancient Ireland established in "Brehon Laws", which spelled out a women's
property rights and freedom. These laws came to an end with the Norman
occupation.
> Aine [goddess] Love and Sexuality;Agriculture;Earth and
Nature;Luck;Magic;Mother and Guardian;Ceremonies. Ireland
> "Bright." Sun goddess of love and fertility. In West Munster, the life
spark was believed to by governed by the goddess Aine. She was worshipped at
Cnoc AineAine's Hill in the last century on Midsummer's Eve when local
people would carry torches of hay and straw. After invoking Aine they would
return to their fields and wave the torches over the crops and livestock.
Also see: Anu.
> Airmed [goddess] [Airmid] Health and healing; ImmortalityIreland
> Goddess of Medicine. Airmed is the daughter of DiancechtPhysician-magician
of the Tuatha, and grandfather of Lugh and sister of Miach. She helps her
father guard the secret Well of Healing.
> Albina [goddess] Creator of Life; Moon and Night Britain
> Almha [Almu] [goddess] Ireland
> Not much is known of Almha, other than she was a diety of the Tuatha.
> Andrasta [goddess] [Andate] War Britain,Iceni
> Anna Livia Plurabelle [goddess]
> Annis [goddess] Wild Birds; Destroyer of Life; UglinessNorthern Britain
> Anu [goddess] [Ana, Annan, Annis, Black Annis,Buanann, Eire,Iath n' Anann]
Creator of Life; Mother and Guardian; Wealth; Earth and Nature; Sky and
Heaven Ireland
> Aobh [goddess] Weather; Magic; Evil; Demi-Animals; Mother and Guardian.
Ireland
> Aoife [goddess] Evil; Demi-animals; Magic; Education and knowledge.
Scotland
> Arbha [goddess] Family and Tribes. British Isles
> Arenmetia [goddess] Health and Healing. Britain
> Argante [goddess] Health and Healing Britain
> Arianrhod [goddess] Mother and Guardian; Moon and Night; Fate; Magic;
Justice; Fertility. Wales
> Arnamentia [goddess] Water. Britain Goddess of springs.
> Artio [goddess] Hunting and Wild AnimalsBritain;Switzerland
> Assa [goddess] Goodness. Ireland
> Badb [goddess] War: Wild birds; Fate; Magic; Water.. Ireland
> Badba [goddess] War. Ireland
> Badh [goddess] [Banshee in Munster] Ireland
> Bainleannan [goddess] Ireland Celtic spirit.
> Ban Naomha [goddess] Fishing and water animals; Prophesy and Wisdom.
Ireland
> Ban Nighechain [goddess] Water. Scotland
> Banba [Bandha] [goddess] Ireland
> Banna [goddess] Water; Creativity; Immortality. Ireland
> Bansch [goddess] Ireland
> Banshees [goddess] Magic; Small size. Ireland
> Be Find [goddess] Fate. Ireland
> Beag [goddess] Magic; Water; Education and Knowledge. Ireland
> Bean Nighe [goddess] Household Affairs; Destroyer of Life Ireland,
Scotland
> Bean Sidhe [goddess] Fate; Family and Tribes Ireland
> Bebhionn [goddess] Dawn and Twilight; Beauty; Justice Ireland
> Bebo [gpddess] Ireland
> Bec Fola [goddess] MagicIreland
> Becuma [goddess] Heaven and Hell; Dawn and Twilight; Moon and Night;
Weather Ireland
> Benvarry [goddess] Demi-animals; Fishing and Water Animals Isle of Man
> Biddy Mannion [goddess] Health and Healing Ireland
> Bidhgoe [goddess] Love and Sexuality Ireland
> Birog [goddess] Fomorii Arts; Mother and Guardian Ireland
> Blanaid [goddess] Magic Ireland
> Blathnat [goddess] Time Ireland
> Blodeuwedd [goddess] Love and Sexuality;lunar mysteries,initiations,
Demi-animals; Earth and Nature Wales
> Bo Find [goddess] Domesticated Animals; Magic Ireland
> Boann [goddess] Water; Domesticated Animals; Family and Tribes Ireland
> Bobd [goddess] War; Demi-animals Ireland
> Branwen [goddess] Love and Sexuality; Moon and Night; Selflessness Ireland
> Breg [goddess] Evil Ireland
> Bri [goddess] Magic Ireland
> Caer [goddess] Demi-animal Ireland
> Cailleach Beara [goddess] Earth and Nature; Agriculture; Family and
Tribes; Education and Knowledge;
> Charisma Ireland, Scotland
> Cailleach Bheur [goddess] Sky , weather healing, initiation, great wisdom,
shape-shiftingScotland, the Isle of Man, southern Ireland
> Cailleach Bolus [goddess] Ireland
> Cailleach Corca Duibhne [goddess] Ireland
> Cailleach Mor [goddess] Weather; Mother and Guardian Scotland
> Caireen [goddess] Mother and Guardian Ireland
> Cameira [goddess] Family and Tribes
> Campestres [goddess] Latin name for Celtic goddesses of the fields.
Agriculture
>
> Canola [goddess] Arts; Creativity Ireland
> Caoineag[goddess] Fate; Destroyer of Life; Family and Tribes; Weather
Britain
> Carlin [goddess] Ceremonies; Immortality; Time; Mother and Guardian
Scotland
> Carman [goddess] Magic; War; Ceremonies Ireland
> Carravogue [goddess] Reptiles; Magic Ireland
> Cartimandua [goddess] War Britain
> Cathubodia [goddess] Earth and Nature Britain
> Dahut [goddess] Love and Sexuality; Evil Britain
> Danu [goddess] Mother and Guardian; Education and Knowledge; Prosperity;
Magic; Sun and Day; Family and Tribes; Water Ireland
> Dawen [goddess] Domesticated Animals; Dawn and Twilight; Weather Ireland
> Dea Domnann [goddesss] Heaven and Hell; Creator of Life Ireland, Formor
> Dechtire[goddess] Demi-animals; Mother and Guardian; Heaven and Hell;
Magic Ireland
> Dee [goddess] War; Water; Fate Scotland
> Deirdre [goddess] Beauty; Fate; Love and Sexuality Ireland
> Dervonnae [goddess] ["Oak Spirits." Triune mother goddesses of birth,
growth, and death.] Life / Death Cycle; Earth and Nature Europe
> Deva [goddess] Water Britain
> Devona [goddess] Water Ireland
> Dia Griene [goddess] Sun and Day Scotland
> Dil [goddess] Domesticated Animals Ireland
> Dobhinia [goddess] Family and Tribes Ireland
> Domnu [goddess] Family and Tribes; Water Ireland, Fomorii
> Don [goddess] Stars and Planets; Creator of Life Wales
> Doon Buidhe [goddess] Arts
> Dornoll [goddess] Weather; Ugliness; Physical Prowess Ireland
> Druantia [goddess] Earth and Nature Britain
> Dubh [goddess] Magic; Water Ireland
> Dubh Lacha [goddesss] Fate: Moon and Night; Water Ireland
> Dubhlaing [goddess] Fate; Magic; Love and Sexuality
> A [goddess] Chaldean
> Aahmes-nefertari [goddess] Egypt
> Aakuluujjusi [goddess] Inuit
> Aasith [goddess] Egypt
> Abaangui Guarani
> Aba-khatun [goddess] Russia
> Abaris Greek
> Abas Greek
> Abassi Nigeria/Africa
> Abderus Greek
> Abeguwo [goddess] Oceania
> Abeona [goddess] Roman
> Abere [goddess] Oceania
> Ab Kin Xoc Maya
> Abnoba [goddess] Celtic
> Abraxas Roman
> Abuk [goddess] Dinka/Africa
> Abundantia [goddess] Roman
> Acamas Greek
> Acantha [goddess] Greek
> Acat Maya
> Acaviser [goddess] Roman
> Acca [goddess] Roman
> Acca Larentia [goddess] Roman
> Achall [goddess] Irish
> Achelois [goddess] Greek
> Achelous Greek
> Achilles Greek
> Achtan [goddess] Irish
> Achtland [goddess] Celtic
> Acis Greek
> Aclla [goddess] Inca
> Acna [goddess] Maya/Mexico
> Actaeon Greek
> Acuecueyotlcihuatl*Aztec/Mexico
> Adad Babylonian
> Adamanthea [goddess] Greek
> Adamisil Wedo [goddess] Haiti
> Adapa Babylonian
> Adaro Oceania
> Adeona [goddess] Roman
> Aditi [goddess] Asian
> Adityas Asian
> Admeta [goddess] Roman
> Admete [goddess] Greek
> Admetus Greek
> Adonis Greek
> Adrammelech Babylonia
> Adrastus Greek
> Adsagsona [goddess] Celtic
> Adu Ogyinae Ashanti/Africa
> Aeacus Greek
> Aebh [goddess] Celtic
> Aed Celtic
> Aédon [goddess] Greek
> Aedos [goddess] Roman
> Aega [goddess] Greek
> Aegeria [goddess] Roman
> Aegeus Greek
> Aegina [goddess] Greek
> Aegir Norse
> Aegis Greek
> Aegisthus Greek
> Aegyptus Greek
> Aello [goddess] Greek Amazon
> Aeneas Greek
> Aeneas Roman
> Aeolus Greek
> Aero [goddess] Greek
> Aeron Celtic
> Aerope [goddess] Greek
> Aesculapius Asclepius Greek
> Aesir Norse
> Ćs Sídhe Celtic
> Aestas [goddess] Roman
> Aether Greek
> Aethra [goddess] Greek
> Aetna [goddess] Roman
> Afekan [goddess] Oceania
> Agaman Nibo [goddess] Haiti
> Agamedes Greek
> Agamemnon Greek
> Agasaya [goddess] Semite
> Agave [goddess] Greek
> Agdos [goddess] Asia Minor
> Agé Dahomey/Africa
> Aglaia [goddess] Greek
> Aglauros [goddess] Greek
> Agni India
> Agwe [goddess] Benin/Africa
> Agwe [goddess] Haiti
> Agweta [goddess] Haiti
> Ahat [goddess] Egypt
> Ahau Chamahez Maya
> Ahau Kin [goddess] Maya
> Ah Chuy Kak Maya
> Ah Cun Can Maya
> Ahemait [goddess] Egypt
> Ah Kinchil Maya
> Ahmakiq Maya
> Ahnt Alis Pok' [goddess] Mexico
> Ahnt Kai [goddess] Mexico
> Ah Puch Maya
> Ahriman Persia
> Ahsonnutli Navajo
> Ahti [goddess] Egypt
> Ah Uaynih [goddess] Haiti
> Ah Uaynih [goddess] Guatemala
> Ahuic [goddess] Aztec/Mexico
> Ahulane Maya
> Ahura Mazda Persia
> Ahurani [goddess] Persia
> Ah Wink-ir Masa [goddess] Guatemala
> Ai-ada Turkey
> 'Aiaru [goddess] Oceania
> Aida Wedo [goddess] Benin/Africa
> Aida Wedo [goddess] Haiti
> Aigiarm [goddess] Mongolia
> Ainé [goddess] Celtic
> Ainia [goddess] Greek Amazon
> Airmed [goddess] Irish
> Ai Tupua'i [goddess] Oceania
> Aja [goddess] Babylonia
> Aje [goddess] Yoruba/Africa
> Aji-Suki-Taka-Hi-Kone Japan
> Ajok Africa
> Ajtzak AmerIndian
> Ajysyt [goddess] Siberia
> Aka [goddess] Turkey
> Akert-khentet-auset-s [goddess] Egypt
> Akewa [goddess] Argentina
> Akhet [goddess] Egypt
> Akhushtal [goddess] Maya
> Akonadi [goddess] Ghana/Africa
> Akongo Africa
> Akuj Africa
> Akusaa [goddess] Egypt
> Akycha AmerIndian
> Ala [goddess] Ibo/Africa
> Alaghom Naom Tzentel [goddess] Maya
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> Alator Britain
> Alastor Greek
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> Albina [goddess] Roman
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> Alu Babylonia
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> An Sumeria
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>
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>
> Egyptian gods
> Amun: Amun is mentioned in the Pyramid Texts, but was not a prominent god
> during the Age of the Pyramids. His name means 'the hidden one' and he was
> a god of the atmosphere. Later in Egyptian history, he would become the
> main god of the empire.
>
> Anty: Anty was a hawk god of Upper Egypt. He is shown as a hawk sitting on
> a crescent moon, or in a boat. He became associated with other hawk-gods,
> such as Sokar. King Merenre's birth name, Anty-em-saf acknowledges ties
> between his mother's family and the areas where Anty was a major deity.
> Anty's name, which refers to his sharp claws, can also be read as Nemty.
>
> Anubis: This jackal-headed god looked after the dead, and was in charge of
> the important task of mummification. Anubis can appear as either a black
> canine with long sharp ears, or as a man with a canine head. The black
> colour of Anubis is not natural to jackals or to the wild dogs of Egypt;
it
> may refer to the discoloration of a body after death and during
> mummification. The black colour also refers to the rich dark soil of
Egypt,
> from which new growth came every year; in similar manner, the dead would
> come to new life after burial. Dogs, as animal companions, were present in
> Egypt from the very beginning. Sometimes dogs were buried with their
> masters. It may have given the Egyptians comfort to think of such an
animal
> as guarding the cemeteries, protecting the dead.
>
> Atum: Self-created creator of the Universe. Alone in Nun nothingness he
> created Shu and Tefnut, air and moisture. His name means 'the complete
> one.' Atum is usually shown as a king. He can symbolize the setting sun.
>
> Babi is a deity shown in Baboon form, and it's from his name that we get
> our word for these animals. Babi is ferocious, even blood-thirsty, unlike
> the usually calm and reasonable Thoth who also appears as a baboon.
>
> Bastet: Cats are very useful animals in a country that depends on grain.
> The cat's hunting instincts were honoured by the Ancient Egyptians, but so
> was the cat's gentler side as a warm and loving mother to her kittens.
> Bastet can be shown as a woman with a feline head. There are disagreements
> among zoologists as to when these animals first began to live with humans
> along the Nile, and about which feline became the Egyptian pet. Cats do
not
> appear as household pets during the Age of the Pyramids, though they were
> very popular animal companions in later times. From about three thousand,
> two hundred years ago, there are cartoon-like images of cats and mice
> engaged in human activities; unfortunately we do not know the stories for
> these illustrations.
>
> Bat: Ancient goddess shown with the horns of a buffalo or cow. Her face
> appears on the Narmer palette, showing an early association with kingship.
> Her character and powers were absorbed by Hathor.
>
> Geb: God of Earth, grandson of Atum, husband of Nut. He is often shown as
a
> man reclining on the earth under a starry sky. The goose is his sacred
> animal.
>
> Hapy: God of the annual Nile flood, the Inundation. Shown as a human man
> with a crown of plants, and heavy pendulous breasts and a paunch, he
> symbolized abundance and fertility.
>
> Hathor: Hathor as the royal goddess. Her name means 'House of Horus." Her
> image could take the form of a cow, a woman with a cow's head, or a woman
> wearing the horns of a cow. As a motherly cow, she gave the king her
divine
> milk, and protected him as a cow protects her calf. She was the goddess of
> love, music, singing, and dance. She was one of the most important deities
> in the Age of the Pyramids, and her popularity continued to the end of
> Egyptian civilization. In the early economy of Egypt, cows were wealth. A
> herd of cattle was a beautiful sight because it represented wealth in the
> form of food, milk, hides, and work, as oxen pulled the ploughs of
farmers.
> Cattle dung was a valuable fertilizer and had many uses in building. The
> Egyptians admired many qualities in cows, besides their economic benefits.
> The cow's careful tending of her calf was a model for motherhood. In a
time
> when many women died in childbirth, the ability of cow's milk to sustain a
> human baby was deeply appreciated. Cows, like people, love music and
> will happily listen to a human singing, thus it made sense for Hathor to
be
> goddess of music. The big, gentle brown eyes of cows set a standard for
> beauty; there are still cultures in the world where to say that a girl is
> as pretty as a heifer is a great compliment.
>
> [Neferet-ihew was a popular name meaning Beautiful of cattle.
> Nefer-tjenetet meant The herd of Hathor is beautiful. Another name
> associated with Hathor was Redew-yehew - feet of cattle]
>
> Heket: Frog-headed goddess of childbirth. Frogs, who produce vast numbers
> of tadpoles, were popular as amulets to ensure fertility.
>
> Heh: Shown as a kneeling man grasping two palm ribs, Heh is the
> personification of eternity. His image was popular as an amulet, wishing
> the wearer 'millions of years.'
>
> Horus: This god is shown as a falcon, or as a man with the head of a
> falcon. In Egyptian, his name is Her - the distant one. Like the good king
> who sees everything in his kingdom, the hawk is noted for his sharp
vision.
> The sudden stoop of the hawk, as he leaves the distant sky to attack and
> capture his prey, is like the quick and decisive action of a king in
> defense of his country. Horus is one of the oldest gods of the
> Egyptians. In the days when powerful leaders were fighting to make one
> nation out of smaller settlements, the early rulers were called Followers
> of Horus. On the Narmer palette, the King is shown with a falcon whose one
> human arm holds a rope that passes through the nose of a defeated rival.
> The earliest way of distinguishing the name of a king from the names of
> others was the serekh, which was a rectangle representing the palace of
the
> king, with a hawk on the top. Originally, there were at least two
> gods called Horus. One is the fifth child of Nut and Geb, Horus the Elder,
> and the other is the son of Isis and Osiris. Over time, their stories and
> attributes came together. An old story tells of how Osiris, king of Egypt,
> was murdered by his brother, Seth. Seth was very strong and powerful. He
> took over the country, and ruled well. Isis, the wife of Osiris, hid the
> child she had born, and raised him in secret. When Horus grew up, he
> claimed his father's throne. Seth and Horus struggled for the kingship,
but
> in the end Horus' claim, as son of the previous king, was recognized by a
> court of all the gods, and Horus became king. In Ancient Egypt, each king
> was Horus. When a king died, Egyptians said that the falcon had flown to
> Heaven and united with the Sun Disk. The next king then became Horus. Like
> the Hawk, the king was a fighter, a warrior. This is why Horus, when shown
> as a hawk-headed man, wears an armored breast-plate.
>
> Isis: Sister and wife of Osiris, mother of Horus. Isis is the brightest
> star in the sky, Sirius, called Soped by the ancient Egyptians. This star
> disappears behind the sun for seventy days, then reappears to announce the
> annual Nile flood. Isis was thus identified with the waters of the
> Inundation that bring dry, dead land back to life. When her husband, king
> Osiris, was murdered, she found his decomposing body, bound it together
> with linen strips, and used her magic to bring him back to life in a
> limited way. Isis' name in Egyptian is Ast which refers to the throne of
> the king, which she personifies. Besides performing the first
> mummification, Isis was known for her ferocious dedication to her son,
> Horus. She upheld his right to rule Egypt against the claims of her
> powerful brother, Seth or Sutekh. With determination, cunning, and a
little
> magic, she was able to ensure that her son succeeded to the throne of his
> father. The story of Isis and Osiris, a love story, a story of triumph
over
> death, and the victory of good and right over brute force, became the most
> popular of Egyptian myths. Thousands of years after the last pyramids were
> built, Cleopatra VII, the last great queen of Egypt, identified herself
> with Isis, devoted wife and mother. The cult of Isis survived the
> annexation of Egypt by the Roman empire, and remained a powerful religion
> until the rise of Christianity and Islam.
>
> Khnum: The full name of Khufu, builder of the Great Pyramid, was
> Khnum-khufu - the god Khnum protects him. Khnum, as god of the Nile
> cataract, controlled the annual inundation of Egypt. He is shown as a man
> with the head of a ram, or as a ram. He creates human life by moulding
each
> of us on a potter's wheel. His role as creator may reflect the procreative
> power and strength of the ram.
>
> Maat: Goddess of order, truth, justice, and balance. As the daughter of
> Atum or Re, she was one of the first forces in the created universe, and
> helped to bring order out of chaos. Each Egyptian king was duty bound to
> honour and promote order and justice.
>
> Min: Male fertility god and protector of the mines in the Eastern desert.
> He is one of the oldest attested Egyptian gods. He is shown as an
> ithyphallic man with a crown of two plumes, his right arm raised to
support
> the royal flagellum.
>
> Neith: Goddess of the North of Egypt, protector of the king. One of the
> oldest attested Egyptian deities; her characteristic headgear became the
> 'red crown' of the kings of Egypt. From the dawn of history in Egypt,
> powerful women formed their names with hers: Neith-hotep Neith is content
> was the wife of Aha, first king of the First Dynasty; the wife of King
> Djet, and mother of King Den was named Meret-Neith beloved of Neith.
> Neith may have been originally a goddess of hunting, but warfare was also
> in her sphere. She was a goddess of the living world, of power and
> politics. Her emblem appears to be two arrows crossed behind a shield. In
> early examples, though, the shield can clearly be seen to be two elaterid
> or 'click' beetles, end to end, with arrows crossed behind them. Long
after
> the Pyramid Age, a story was written crediting her with the creation of
the
> universe.
>
> Nekhbet: Vulture-goddess of Upper Egypt. Nekhbet is a mother goddess who
> protects the king. She represents the White Crown of Upper Egypt, which
she
> sometimes wears. By the Fifth Dynasty, she became associated with royal
> women; the king's great royal wife wears a vulture headdress.
>
> Nephthys: Daughter of Nut and Geb, sister of Isis, Osiris and Seth. She
> joined Isis in her search for the body of Osiris, and mourned over his
> corpse with her. Her name means owner of the palace; she represents the
> palace itself. A late legend makes her the mother of Anubis.
>
> Nut: The personification of the sky. Nut is honoured as a mother goddess.
> She was the wife of Geb, and daughter of Shu and Tefnut. her five children
> are Osiris and Isis, Nephthys and Seth, and Horus the Elder.
>
> Osiris: God of the Dead. Osiris is almost always depicted as a man wrapped
> in mummy-cloths, his hands protruding from the wrappings to grasp
scepters,
> and a crown on his head. His face can be green, black, or gold. He is a
god
> of agriculture, for his death and resurrection are like those of a seed,
> cast in to the dark earth, motionless. New life breaks through its husk to
> push its way to the surface of the earth as a green shoot. Osiris came to
> prominence in the Fifth Dynasty. He became one of the most important of
> Egyptian gods because he symbolized the triumph of life over death. For
> his story, see Horus and Isis. In early times, the dead King was
> associated with Osiris, but in later times in Egypt, every person could
> join Osiris in the Afterlife, where he ruled as King of the Underworld. He
> judged the dead, and let no evil person enjoy the pleasures of eternal
> life. Ptah: Ancient creator-god of Memphis. Ptah is shown as a man wearing
> a skull-cap, dressed in a tight-fitting robe that may be mummy-wrappings.
> His hands protrude from the wrappings to grasp scepters. He was the patron
> of craftsmen. Re: The sun, king of the gods, creator god of Yunu
> Heliopolis. Re has many forms, but often appears as a man with the head
> of a hawk and a sun-disk which is encircled by a cobra. Over time, many
> other gods were assimilated to him: such as Atum-Re, Amun-Re. Human beings
> were created from the tears of Re. Renenutet: A mother-goddess often shown
> with the head of a snake. Her name means ''the one who nurtures." She
> attended births.
>
> Sakhmet: The name of this goddess means the powerful one. She was the
> daughter of the sun-god, Re, and the wife of Ptah. She is shown with the
> head of a lioness and the body of a woman, suggesting her great force and
> power, and her sometimes dangerous nature. She could both bring plagues
and
> protect people from them. In the Age of the Pyramids, Sakhmet was
sometimes
> shown embracing the king, breathing divine life into his nostrils.
>
> Seth: God of the desert, storm, and chaos. Seth is a strong god whose
angry
> power is part of kingship. Later legends stress his murder of his brother
> Osiris and his struggle with his nephew Horus over who should be king. The
> ancient Egyptians believed that both the forces of Law and Order,
> represented by Horus, and the power of chaos symbolized by Seth, were
> necessary for kingship. Another way of spelling the name of this god is
> Sutekh.
>
> Shu: the god of air and light. He is the husband of Tefnut, and father of
> Geb, grandfather of Osiris. His symbol is an ostrich feather. The pyramid
> texts suggest that the clouds of the sky are his bones.
>
> Sobek: Shown as a crocodile or a man with crocodile head, Sobek symbolized
> swift action and violence, and in these aspects could be a god of
kingship.
> He was the son of Neith. Lakes, riverbanks, and swamps were his particular
> haunts. Ancient Egyptians travelled the Nile for trade, fished in it, and
> used its waters to irrigate their fields. The crocodiles who lived in the
> water were a constant presence and danger.
>
> Sokar: A hawk-god, he was the patron of the royal cemetery near Memphis.
it
> is called after him, Sakkara to this day.
>
> Tefnut: Goddess of moisture. Daughter of Atum, wife of Shu. She is one of
> the goddesses who can be called The Eye of Re. She can be shown as a woman
> with the head of a lion.
>
> Thoth: A moon god, who was also the god of scribes and writing. As god of
> scribes, he is associated with justice and truth, and with conciliation.
As
> god of wisdom, he inspired scribes and priests, and presided over sacred,
> secret, knowledge. His name in Ancient Egyptian may have sounded something
> like Djehuty. He can be shown as a man with the head of an Ibis. The
> powerful wings of this bird could carry a king over the celestial river
> into the Afterlife. Thoth usually wears a crescent moon, supporting a full
> moon-disk on his head. Perhaps the long beak of the Ibis reminded the
> Egyptians of the crescent moon, and it's white and black feathers made
them
> think of the patterns on the moon. Two animals were especially sacred to
> Thoth: the Ibis, and the Baboon. A baboon, sitting up straight, can be an
> image of Thoth. In the Story of the Eye of Re, Thoth transformed himself
> into a baboon to follow an angry goddess into Nubia, and told her stories
> until she returned to Egypt.
>
> Wadjet: Cobra goddess of Lower Egypt. She is one of the king's protectors.
> It is she who rears up over his brow on the royal crowns and headdresses.
> As the Uraeus, iaretThursday, January 13, 2000 in Egyptian she has the
> power to blast the enemies of the king.
>
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> Lei Tsu China
> L'etsa'aplelana[goddess] Bella Coola
> Lemurs Roman
> Lennaxidaq[goddess]
> Leshy Slavonic
> Le-tkakawash[goddess]
> Leto[goddess] Greek
> Leucothea[goddess] Greek
> Lia[goddess] Australia
> Libanza Africa
> Libentina[goddess] Roman
> Liber Roman
> Libera[goddess] Roman
>
> Liberalitas Roman
> Libertas[goddess] Roman
> Libitina[goddess] Roman
> Lif and Lifthrasir[goddess] Norse
> Lignaco Dex[goddess] Roman
> Li Lao-chun China
> Limentina Roman
> Lina[goddess] Greek
> Linda[goddess] Norse
> Lipse[goddess] Greek
> Lir Gaelic
> Li T'ien China
> Lituolone Africa
> Liu Meng China
> Liu Pei China
> Lleu Wales
> Loa[goddess] Haiti
> Lofn[goddess] Norse
> Loha[goddess]
> Lohasur Devi India
> Loki Norse
> Loko Yoruba/Africa
> Lono Hawaii
> Loo-wit[goddess]
> Lorelei[goddess] Germanic
> Lo Shen[goddess] China
> Losna[goddess] Roman
> Lo-Tsu Ta-Hsien China
> Lo Yu China
> Lua[goddess] Roman
> Luandinha[goddess] Brazil
> Luchtaine Celtic
> Lucifera[goddess] Roman
> Lucina[goddess] Roman
> Ludd Britain
> Lu Hsing China
> Lufn[goddess] Norse
> Lugh Celtic
> Luna[goddess] Roman
> Lung Yen China
> Luonnotar[goddess] Norse
> Lupa[goddess] Roman
> Lu-pan China
> Luperca[goddess] Roman
> Lupercus Roman
> Lupi Aymara
> Lutinus Roman
> Lyco[goddess] Greek
> Lycos Greek
> Lymnades Greek
> Lympha[goddess] Roman
> Lynceus Greek
> Maan-emo[goddess] Norse
> Mabon Celtic
> Macaw Woman[goddess] Maya
> Mac Da Tho Irish
> Macha[goddess] Irish
> Machaon Greek
> Macris[goddess] Greek
> Macuilxochitl Aztec/Mixtec
> Madalait[goddess] Australia
> Madder-Akka[goddess] Lapland
> Magna Mater[goddess] Roman
> Magni Norse
> Mahiuki Oceania
> Mahucutah Maya
> Maia[goddess] Roman
> Maia[goddess] Greek
> Maina Luyia/Africa
> Majestas Roman
> Makara[goddess] Australia
> MakeMake Oceania
> Ma-Ku[goddess] China
> Malophoros[goddess] Greek
> Mambo Lovedu/Africa
> Mana[goddess] Roman
> Manannan mac Lir Celtic
> Manasha[goddess] Hindu
> Manco Capac Inca
> Manes Roman
> Mang Chin-i[goddess] China
> Mang Shen China
> Mani Scandinavian
> Mania[goddess] Roman
> Manticore Persia
> Manu Hindu
> Mao Meng China
> Marduk Babylonian
> Mari[goddess] MidEast
> Marica[goddess] Roman
> Marici[goddess] Japan
> Marina Slavic
> Marjatta[goddess] Norse
> Marpessa[goddess] Greek
> Marruni Melanesia
> Mars Roman
> Marsyas Greek
> Marwe[goddess] Chaga/Africa
> Marzana Poland
> Masauwu Hopi
> Massim Biambe Congo/Africa
> Matergabiae Lithuania
> Mater Matuta[goddess] Roman
> Math ap Mathonwy Wales
> Mati Syra Zemlya[goddess] Slavonic
> Matrona[goddess] Celtic
> Matrona[goddess] Roman
> Maui Oceania
> Mawu-Lisa Dahomey/Africa
> Maya[goddess] Hindu
> Mayahuel[goddess] Maya
> Mayavel Hindu
> Mboze[goddess] Africa
> Mebeli[goddess] Congo/Africa
> Medb[goddess] Irish
> Medea[goddess] Greek
> Medeine Lithuania
> Meditrina[goddess] Roman
> Medusa[goddess] Greek
> Megaera[goddess] Greek
> Mehturt[goddess] Egypt
> Meiboia[goddess] Greek
> Meilichia[goddess] Greek
> Melampus Greek
> Melanius Greek
> Meleager Greek
> Melgart Canaan
> Melinoe[goddess] Greek
> Melissa[goddess] Greek
> Mellona[goddess] Roman
> Melobosis[goddess] Greek
> Melpomene[goddess] Greek
> Melu Oceania
> Memnon Greek
> Menalippe[goddess] Greek
> Menehune Oceania
> Menelaus Greek
> Meni MidEast
> Mens[goddess] Roman
> Men Shen China
> Menthu Egypt
> Mentor Greek
> Menu Menulis Baltic
> Mephitis[goddess] Roman
> Mercury Roman
> Mermaid Ancient
> Merodach MidEast
> Merope[goddess] Greek
> Meru Hindu
> Meshkent[goddess] Egypt
> Meskhenet[goddess] Egypt
> Messia[goddess] Roman
> Metis[goddess] Greek
> Metra[goddess] Greek
> Metsarhatija[goddess] Finland
> Miao Hu China
> Mida[goddess] Greek
> Midas Greek
> Mider Celtic
> Midgard Scandinavian
> Mi-lo Fo China
> Mimir Norse
> Mimir Norse
> Mimir's Head Norse
> Min Egypt
> Minepa Macoua/Africa
> Minerva Roman
> Ming Shang China
> Minnehaha[goddess] Blackfoot
> Minos Greek
> Minotaur Greek
> Mir-susne-khun Russia
> Miseria[goddess] Roman
> Misor MidEast
> Mithra India
> Mlakukh[goddess] Roman
> Mnemosyne[goddess] Greek
> Modgud[goddess] Norse
> Modron[goddess] Wales
> Moeuhane Oceania
> Mogons Britain
> Moirae[goddess] Greek
> Mokkuralfi Norse
> Molae, The[goddess] Roman
> Moloch Canaan
> Molpadia[goddess] Greek Amazon
> Molpadia[goddess] Greek
> Momu[goddess] Scotland
> Momus Greek
> Moneta[goddess] Roman
> Monju-Bosatsu Japan
> Moombi[goddess] Kikuyu/Africa
> Mor Celtic
> Mors Roman
> Morgen[goddess] Celtic
> Mormo[goddess] Greek
> Moros Greek
> Morpheus Greek
> Morrigan[goddess] Celtic
> Morta[goddess] Roman
> Mot Phoenician
> Mothir[goddess] Norse
> Mukasa Buganda/Africa
> Mulhhalmoni[goddess] Korea
> Muliebris[goddess] Roman
> Mulungu East Africa
> Muluku Macoua/Africa
> Munin Norse
> Munthukh[goddess] Roman
> Muses[goddess] Greek
> Mushdama Mesopotamia
> Muspelheim Norse
> Muta[goddess] Roman
> Mwambu Luyia/Africa
> Myesyats Slavonic
> Mylitta[goddess] Babylonian
> Myrddin Celtic
> Myrmidons Greek
> Myrrha[goddess] Greek
> Mystis[goddess] Greek
> Naamah[goddess] Canaan
> Nabu Babylonian
> Nabudi[goddess] Australia
> Naenia[goddess] Roman
> Nagas Hindu
> Naiads[goddess] Greek
> Nai-No-Kami Japan
> Nairyosangha Iran
> Nambi[goddess] Buganda/Africa
> Nammu[goddess] Sumeria
> Namtar Babylonian
> Namtaru Assyria
> Nana Buluku[goddess] Fon/Africa
> Nanan-Bouclou Africa
> Nan-chi Hsien-weng China
> Nanna Sumeria
> Nanna[goddess] Norse
> Nantosuelta[goddess] Gaul
> Naoise Irish
> Napaea, The[goddess] Greek
> Naraka Hindu
> Narcissus Greek
> Nascio[goddess] Roman
> Nastasija[goddess] Russia
> Nastrand Norse
> Nausicaa[goddess] Greek
> Nausithoe[goddess] Greek
> Ndauthina Fiji
> Neaera[goddess] Greek
> Nebo MidEast
> Neb-Ti[goddess] Egypt
> Necessitas[goddess] Roman
> Nectar Greek
> Neda[goddess] Greek
> Nehalennia[goddess] Gaul
> Nehallenia[goddess] Holland
> Nelaima[goddess] Russia
> Nemain Celtic
> Nemea[goddess] Greek
> Nemean Lion Greek
> Nemesis[goddess] Greek
> Nemetoma[goddess] Celtic
> Nemon[goddess] Celtic
> Neptune Roman
> Nereids[goddess] Greek
> Nereus Greek
> Nergal Babylonian
> Nerine[goddess] Roman
> Nerio[goddess] Roman
> Nesaru /Arikara
> Ne Te-reere[goddess] Micronesia
> Nevinbimbaau Melanesia
> Ng ai Masai/Africa
> Ngendei Oceania
> Nicothoe[goddess] Greek
> Nidaba[goddess] Sumeria
> Nidhogg Norse
> Nidhogg Norse
> Niflheim Norse
> Nike[goddess] Greek
> Nikta[goddess] Greek
> Ninhursag or Nintu[goddess] Sumerian
> Ninlil Sumeria
> Ninsar[goddess] Sumeria
> Nintur[goddess] Babylonia
> Ninurta Sumeria
> Ni-O Buddhist
> Niobe[goddess] Greek
> Nirriti[goddess] Hindu
> Nishanu /Arikara
> Nissa[goddess] Greek
> Niu Wang China
> Nobu Oceania
> Nodens Britain
> No-Il Ja-Dae[goddess] Korea
> Nona[goddess] Roman
> Norov Russia
> Nortia[goddess] Roman
> Notos Greek
> Nott[goddess] Norse
> Nox[goddess] Roman
> Nuada Celtic
> Nu-kua[goddess] China
> Numeria[goddess] Roman
> Numina Roman
> Numi-tarem Russia
> Nundina[goddess] Roman
> Nu Wa[goddess] China
> Nyambe Western Tropics/Africa
> Nyankopon Ashanti/Africa
> Nyasaye Africa
> Nyia Slavic
> Nymphs[demi-goddess] Greek
> Nyx[goddess] Greek
> Nzame Africa
> Oberon Britain
> Oboto[goddess] Africa
> Oceanides, The[goddess] Greek
> Oceanus Greek
> Ocypete[goddess] Greek
> Oddudua[goddess] Puerto Rico
> Odin Norse
> Odudua-Orishala Yoruba/Africa
> Odyne[goddess] Greek
> Odysseus Greek
> Oedipus Greek
> Oenghus Irish
> Oeno Greek
> Oenone[goddess] Greek
> Ogmios Celtic
> Ogoun Haiti
> Ogun Yoruba/Africa
> Ogyrvran Celtic
> Oisin Irish
> Oklatabashin Choctaw
> O-Kuni-Nushi Japan
> Olokum[goddess] West Indies
> Olokun Yoruba/Africa
> Olorun Yoruba/Africa
> Olosa[goddess] Puerto Rico
> Olympians Greek
> Omoigane Japan
> Omphale[goddess] Greek OR
> Onagh Celtic
> Oncaea[goddess] Greek
> Oneroi Greek
> Ophion Greek
> Ophiuchus Greek
> Ophthalmitis[goddess] Greek
> Opigena[goddess] Roman
> Ops[goddess] Roman
> Ora[goddess] Russia
> Orbona[goddess] Roman
> Orestes Greek
> Orion Greek
> Orisha Nla Yoruba/Africa
> Ornis Greek
> Oro Oceania
> Orpheus Greek
> Orseis[goddess] Greek
> Orunmila Yoruba/Africa
> Osanyin Africa
> Oshe Yoruba/Africa
> Oshun[goddess] West Indies
> Osiris Egypt
> Ossa[goddess] Greek
> Osun[goddess] Africa
> Ot[goddess] Russia
> Otrere[goddess] Greek Amazon
> Ottar Norse
> Outgard Norse
> Ove Oceania
> Oya[goddess] Africa
> Oya[goddess] West Indies
> Pa[goddess] China
> Pa[goddess] Canaan
> Pa Cha[goddess] China
> Paen Greek
> Pai Chung China
> Pai Liu-Fang China
> Paiowa[goddess] Yana
> Pai Yu China
> Paka'a Oceania
> Palamedes Greek
> Palato[goddess] Roman
> Pales[goddess] Roman
> Pallas[goddess] Greek
> Pallor[goddess] Roman
> Palpinkalare[goddess] Australia
> Pamphile[goddess] Greek
> Pan Greek
> Pana[goddess] Inuit
> Panacea[goddess] Greek
> Panacea[goddess] Roman
> Panatis[goddess] Greek
> P'an-Chin-Lien[goddess] China
> Pandia[goddess] Greek
> Pandora[goddess] Greek
> Pandrosos[goddess] Greek
> P'an Niang[goddess] China
> Panope[goddess] Greek
> Pao Yuan-ch'uan China
> Papa[goddess] Hawaii
> Papa[goddess] Maori
> Parashurama Hindu
> Parca[goddess] Roman
> Paregoros[goddess] Greek
> Parjanya Hindu
> Parmaceia[goddess] Greek
> Parnassides, The[goddess] Greek
> Parthenope[goddess] Roman
> Partholon Irish
> Parvati[goddess] Hindu
> Pasht[goddess] Egypt
> Pasiphae[goddess] Greek
> Patella[goddess] Roman
> Patollo Baltic
> Patrimpas Lithuania
> Patroclus Greek
> Paurnamasi[goddess] Hindu
> Pax[goddess] Roman
> Pazuzu Babylonia
> Pecunia[goddess] Roman
> Peitho[goddess] Greek
> Pekko Finland
> Pele[goddess] Polynesia
> Pelonia[goddess] Roman
> Penates Roman
> Penelope[goddess] Greek
> Penia[goddess] Greek
> Penthus Greek
> Pereplut[goddess] Slavic
> Peri Persia
> Perkuno Baltic
> Persephone[goddess] Greek
> Perseus Greek
> Pertunda[goddess] Roman
> Perun Slavic
> Phaea[goddess] Greek
> Phaedra[goddess] Greek
> Phan Ku China
> Phantasos Greek
> Phebele Congo/Africa
> Pheme Greek
> Phemonoe[goddess] Greek
> Philemon Roman
> Philoctetes Greek
> Philotes[goddess] Greek
> Phobetus Greek
> Phobus Greek
> Phoebe[goddess] Greek
> Phorcys Greek
> Phospherus Greek
> Phthonus Greek
> Physis[goddess] Greek
> Phytalus[goddess] Greek
> Phytia[goddess] Greek
> P'i Chia-Ma China
> Picus Roman
> Pien Ho Hindu
> Pietas[goddess] Roman
> Pikuolis Lithuania
> Pilnytis Lithuania
> Piluitus[goddess] Russia
> Pipleia[goddess] Greek
> Pithys[goddess] Greek
> Pleiades[goddess] Greek
> Ploto[goddess] Greek
> Pluto Roman
> Plutus Greek
> Poena[goddess] Roman
> Poene[goddess] Greek
> Polyhymnia[goddess] Greek
> Polynices Greek
> Polyphemus Greek
> Polyxena[goddess] Greek
> Pomona[goddess] Roman
> Portunus Roman
> Porus Roman
> Poseidon Greek
> Poshjo-akka[goddess] Scandinavian
> Postvorta[goddess] Roman
> Pothos Greek
> Potina Roman
> Potrimpo Baltic
> Po Yan Dari[goddess] Cambodia
> Prajapati India
> Praxidice[goddess] Greek
> Praxidike[goddess] Roman
> Priam Greek
> Priapus Greek
> Priapus Roman
> Prithivi[goddess] Hindu
> Procrustes Greek
> Prometheus Greek
> Proserpina[goddess] Roman
> Prosymna[goddess] Greek
> Proteus Greek
> Protogenia[goddess] Greek
> Protogonus Greek
> Psamathe[goddess] Greek
> Psyche[goddess] Roman
> Ptah Egypt
> Puchan Asian
> Pudicitia[goddess] Roman
> Pudicitia[goddess] Greek
> Pukkeenegak[goddess] Eskimo
> Purandhi[goddess] India
> Purusha Hindu
> Puskaitis Lithuania
> Puta[goddess] Roman
> Pwyll Celtic
> Pygmalion Greek
> Pygmies Greek
> Pyrene[goddess] Greek
> Pyrrha[goddess] Greek
> Python Greek
> Qadshu[goddess] Syria
> Qakma[goddess] Bella Coola
> Qetesh[goddess] Egypt
> Quan Yin[goddess] China
> Quat Melanesia
> Quetzalcoatl Aztec
> Quies[goddess] Roman
> Quirinus Roman
> Quiritis[goddess] Roman
> Quootis-hooi[goddess] Chinook
> Radha[goddess] Hindu
> Ragno[goddess] Hopi
> Raiden Japan
> Rainha Barba[goddess] Brazil/Belem
> Raksava India
> Rakshas India
> Rama Hindu
> Ran[goddess] Norse
> Rana Nedia[goddess] Lapland
> Rangi Maori
> Ranno Egypt
> Rapithwin Persia
> Rashnu Iran
> Rati[goddess] Hindu
> Rati[goddess] Bali
> Rati-mbati-ndua Oceania
> Ratri[goddess] Hindu/Vedic
> Ratu-Mai-Mbula Fiji
> Rauni[goddess] Finland
> Renenet[goddess] Egypt
> Resheph Mikal Phoenician
> Rhacius Greek
> Rhadamanthys Greek
> Rhaecus Greek
> Rhea[goddess] Greek
> Rhea Silvia[goddess] Roman
> Rhene[goddess] Greek
> Rhesus Greek
> Rhiannon[goddess] Wales
> Rhode[goddess] Greek
> Rhodope[goddess] Greek
> Rhodopis[goddess] Greek
> Rhodos[goddess] Greek
> Rhoecus Greek
> Rhoetus Greek
> Rigosamos Celtic
> Rimmon MidEast
> Rind[goddess] Germanic
> Ripheus Greek
> Robigo[goddess] Roman
> Robigus Roman
> Rod Slavic
> Rodasi[goddess] Hindu/Vedic
> Roma[goddess] Roman
> Romulus and Remus Roman
> Rongo Maori
> Roskva[goddess] Norse
> Rosmerta Gaul
> Rota[goddess] Scandinavian
> Rua Tahiti
> Ruahatu Oceania
> Rudra Hindu
> Rudrani[goddess] India
> Rugaba Africa/Uganda
> Rugiviet Slavic
> Rukko[goddess] Mandan
> Rultennin Russian
> Rumia Dea[goddess] Roman
> Rumina[goddess] Roman
> Rumina[goddess] India
> Rumor[goddess] Greek OR
> Rumor Greek
> Runcina[goddess] Roman
> Rusalki[goddess] Slavonic/Russian
> Rusina[goddess] Roman
> Sabazius Greek
> Sadarnuna[goddess] Sumeria
> Sadb Celtic
> Saga[goddess] Norse
> Sagbata Dahomey/Africa
> Salacia[goddess] Roman
> Salamis[goddess] Greek
> Salmacis[goddess] Greek
> Salmaone[goddess] Greek
> Salmoneus Greek
> Salus[goddess] Roman
> Samantha-Bhadra[goddess] Tibet
> Samon Greek
> Samundra[goddess] India
> Sanape[goddess] Greek
> Sangarius Greek
> Sang-rgyas-mkhá[goddess] Tibet
> Saning Sri[goddess] Java
> Sanjna[goddess] Hindu
> San Kuan China
> Sao[goddess] Greek
> Sao-ch'ing Niang[goddess] China
> Saoshyant Iran
> Sapentia[goddess] Roman
> Sappho[goddess] Greek
> Sarasvati[goddess] India
> Sargon Mesopotamia
> Sarpedon Greek
> Sarudahiko China
> Sati[goddess] Hindu
> Sati Satis, Satet[goddess] Egypt
> Saturn Roman
> Satyr Greek
> Satyrs Greek
> Saule[goddess] Baltic
> Saurus Greek
> Savitar India
> Scabies[goddess] Roman
> Scamander Greek
> Scamandrius Greek
> Schedius Greek
> Schoeneus Greek
> Sciapodes Greek
> Sciron Greek
> Scotia[goddess] Greek
> Scylla and Charybdis[goddess] Greek
> Scythes Greek
> Sebek Egypt
> Secia[goddess] Roman
> Sedna[goddess] Eskimo
> Segetia Seja[goddess] Roman
> Seker Egypt
> Sekhet[goddess] Egypt
> Sekhmet[goddess] Egypt
> Selene[goddess] Greek
> Selinus Greek
> Selket[goddess] Egypt
> Selu[goddess] Cherokee
> Semargl Slavic
> Semele[goddess] Greek
> Semiramis[goddess] Greek
> Senecta[goddess] Greek
> Sengdroma[goddess] Tibet
> Sentia Roman
> Sequona[goddess] Celtic
> Serapis Egypt
> Serestus Greek
> Sergestus Greek
> Serket Egypt
> Seshat[goddess] Egypt
> Sessrumnir Germanic
> Set Egypt
> Seth Egypt
> Setekh Egypt
> Sgeg-mo-ma[goddess] Tibet
> Shagpona Yoruba/Africa
> Shahar Canaan
> Shai Egypt
> Shakuru Pawnee
> Shalim Canaan
> Shamish Babylonian
> Shang Chien China
> Shango Yoruba/Africa
> Shang Ti China
> Shapshu[goddess] Canaan
> Shashti[goddess] Hindu
> She chi China
> Sheger Canaan
> Sheng Mu[goddess] China
> Shen Hsui-Chih China
> Shen Nung China
> Shih Liang China
> Shilup Chito Osh Choctaw
> Shine-Tsu-Hiko Japan
> Shiu Fang China
> Shony Celtic
> Shoten Japan
> Shou-lao China
> Shu and Tefnut Egypt
> Shun I Fu-jen[goddess] China
> Shuzanghu India
> Si[goddess] Peru
> Sibyls[goddess] Greek
> Siden[goddess] Greek
> Sidero[goddess] Greek
> Sien-Tsang[goddess] China
> Sif[goddess] Norse
> Sigfried Sigurd Norse
> Signy[goddess] Norse
> Sigurd Germanic
> Sigyn[goddess] Germanic
> Silenus Greek
> Silenus Greek
> Silvanus Roman
> Sin Babylonian
> Sinis Greek
> Sinon Greek
> Sinope[goddess] Greek
> Sio Humis Hopi
> Siręne[goddess] Haiti
> Sirens, The[goddess] Greek
> Siris[goddess] Babylonian
> Sirona[goddess] Gaul
> Sisyphus Greek
> Sitala Shatala[goddess] Hindu
> Sithon Greek
> Siva Shiva India/Hindu
> Sjofn[goddess] Norse
> Skadi Skade[goddess] Norse
> Skanda Hindu
> Skidbladnir Norse
> Skirnir Norse
> Skuld[goddess] Scandinavia
> Sleipnir Norse
> Smotef Egypt
> Smyrna Myrrh[goddess] Greek
> Snotra[goddess] Norse
> Snouf Egypt
> Sobek Egypt
> Sol Roman
> Solois Greek
> Soma India or
> Soma Asian
> Somnus Roman
> Sopatrus Greek
> Sophax Greek
> Sophrosyne[goddess] Greek
> Sopona Yoruba/Africa
> Soteira[goddess] Greek
> Sottef Egypt
> Souconna[goddess] Celtic
> Sparta[goddess] Greek
> Speio[goddess] Greek
> Spercheius Greek
> Spermo Greek
> Sphinx Egypt/Greek
> Sraddha[goddess] Hindu
> Sraosha Iran
> Sreng Celtic
> Ssu-ma Hsiang-ju China
> Staphylus Greek
> Stentor Greek
> Sterope[goddess] Greek
> Stheneboea[goddess] Greek
> Sthenelus Greek
> Stilbe[goddess] Greek
> Strenia[goddess] Roman
> Strenua[goddess] Roman
> Stribog Slavic
> Strymo[goddess] Greek
> Strymon Greek
> Stymphalian Birds Greek
> Styx[goddess] Greek
> Suada Roman
> Sualtam Celtic
> Succubus Medieval
> Sucellus Gaul
> Sudjaje Slavic
> Sulis[goddess] Britain
> Summanus Roman
> Sung-Chiang China
> Sunna[goddess] Norse
> Sun-Pin China
> Sunrta[goddess] Hindu
> Sun Ssu-miao China
> Supai Inca
> Sura[goddess] India
> Surabhi[goddess] India
> Surtr Norse
> Surya Hindu
> Susa-no-wo Japan
> Svantovit Slavic
> Svarazic Slavic
> Svasti-devi[goddess] Hindu
> Samon Greek
> Syleus[goddess] Greek
> Sylvanus Roman
> Syme[goddess] Greek
> Syn[goddess] Norse
> Syrinx[goddess] Greek
> Syrus Greek
> Ta'aroa Tahiti
> Taautos Phoenicia
> Tabliope Greek
> Tages Roman
> Tagni Roman
> Tailtiu Celtic
> Tajika-no-mikoto Japan
> Talaus Greek
> Talos Talus Greek
> Talthybius Greek
> Talus Greek
> Tammuz Babylonian
> Tamakaia Oceania
> Tana Roman
> Tanagra Greek
> Tan Chu China
> Tane Oceania
> Tane Maori
> Tanemahuta Polynesian
> Tangaroa Polynesian
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>
> ACOHANTA Goddess of Direction.
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> JORECH God of Exchange, monetary and trade
> JUNIPERUS God of Healing
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> ZANURAYE Goddess who Guides Female Teenagers
> ZANURON God who Guides Male Teenagers
> ZIMIA Goddess who Guides Female Children
> ZIMIAN God who Guides Male Children
> ZORAYAN God of Change. Also takes souls from dead physical bodies and
brings them to the astral world.
> ZORUCHEN God/ess who Guards Babies
--
Bill Mech
wm...@att.net
1MAN4ALL
> lecherous pedophile
>
> muhammad (piss be upon him) fourteen hundred years ago
>
> Muhammed was a disgusting pedophile and those who spread his teachings are
> more disgusting than him:
>
> Comment: When Muhammed was about 50 years old he had dreams of marrying a
> child, Aisha, who was only about 4-5 years old. How do we know this?
> Muhammed lived about 570 A.D. to 632 A.D.,
Disproved numerous times.
False Allegations of Pedophilia against Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w)
The following are research notes by Habib-ur-Rahman Kandhalwi as
presented in his booklet, "Tehqiq-e-umar-e- Siddiqah-e-Ka'inat",
Anjuman Uswa-e-hasanah, Karachi, Pakistan. I have added footnotes at
the end of this web page to provide additional references and to
answer many objections that have been raised about Kandhalwi's essay.
What was Ayesha's (ra) Age at the Time of Her Marriage?
Research by Habib ur Rahman Kandhalwi
"It is normally believed that she was nine years old at the time of
her marriage with Mohammad (sws) was consummated. I do think it was
according to the traditions of the Arab culture, as otherwise people
would have objected to this marriage. But unfortunately, the modern
day man is not satisfied with an answer as simple as that.
"To begin with, I think it is the responsibility of all those who
believe that marrying a girl as young as nine years old was an
accepted norm of the Arab culture, to provide at least a few examples
to substantiate their point of view. I have not yet been able to find
a single dependable instance in the books of Arab history where a girl
as young as nine years old was given away in marriage. Unless such
examples are given, we do not have any reasonable grounds to believe
that it really was an accepted norm.
"In my opinion, the age of Ayesha (ra) has been grossly misreported in
the ahadith. Not only that, I think that the narratives reporting this
event are not only highly unreliable but also that on the basis of
other historical data, the event reported, is quite an unlikely
happening. Let us look at the issue from an objective stand point. My
reservations in accepting the narratives, on the basis of which,
Ayeshas (ra) age at the time of her marriage with the Prophet (pbuh)
is held to be nine years are:
"Most of these narratives are reported only by Hisham ibn `urwah[1]
reporting on the authority of his father. An event as well known as
the one being reported, should logically have been reported by more
people than just one, two or three.
"It is quite strange that no one from Medinah, where Hisham ibn `urwah
lived the first seventy one years of his life has narrated the event,
even though in Medinah his pupils included people as well known as
Malik ibn Anas. All the narratives of this event have been reported by
narrators from Iraq, where Hisham is reported to have had shifted
after living in Medinah for seventy one years.
"Tehzibu'l-tehzib, one of the most well known books on the life and
reliability of the narrators of the traditions of the Prophet (pbuh)
reports that according to Yaqub ibn Shaibah: 'narratives reported by
Hisham are reliable except those that are reported through the people
of Iraq'. It further states that Malik ibn Anas objected on those
narratives of Hisham which were reported through people of Iraq. (vol
11, pg 48 - 51)
"Mizanu'l-ai`tidal, another book on the narrators of the traditions of
the Prophet (pbuh) reports that when he was old, Hisham's memory
suffered quite badly. (vol 4, pg 301 - 302)
"According to the generally accepted tradition, Ayesha (ra) was born
about eight years before Hijrah. But according to another narrative in
Bukhari (kitabu'l-tafseer) Ayesha (ra) is reported to have said that
at the time Surah Al-Qamar, the 54th chapter of the Qur'an, was
revealed, "I was a young girl". The 54th surah of the Qur'an was
revealed nine years before Hijrah. According to this tradition, Ayesha
(ra) had not only been born before the revelation of the referred
surah, but was actually a young girl (jariyah), not an infant (sibyah)
at that time. Obviously, if this narrative is held to be true, it is
in clear contradiction with the narratives reported by Hisham ibn
`urwah. I see absolutely no reason that after the comments of the
experts on the narratives of Hisham ibn `urwah, why we should not
accept this narrative to be more accurate. [2]
"According to a number of narratives, Ayesha (ra) accompanied the
Muslims in the battle of Badr and Uhud. Furthermore, it is also
reported in books of hadith and history that no one under the age of
15 years was allowed totake part in the battle of Uhud. All the boys
below 15 years of age were sent back. Ayesha's (ra) participation in
the battle of Badr and Uhud clearly indicate that she was not nine or
ten years old at that time. After all, women used to accompany men to
the battle fields to help them, not to be a burden on them.[3]
"According to almost all the historians Asma (ra), the elder sister of
Ayesha (ra) was ten years older than Ayesha (ra). It is reported in
Taqri'bu'l-tehzi'b as well as Al-bidayah wa'l-nihayah that Asma (ra)
died in 73 hijrah when she was 100 years old. Now, obviously if Asma
(ra) was 100 years old in 73 hijrah she should have been 27 or 28
years old at the time of hijrah. If Asma (ra) was 27 or 28 years old
at the time of hijrah, Ayesha (ra) should have been 17 or 18 years old
at that time. Thus, Ayesha (ra), if she got married in 1 AH (after
hijrah) or 2 AH, was between 18 to 20 years old at the time of her
marriage.[4]
"Tabari in his treatise on Islamic history, while mentioning Abu Bakr
(ra) reports that Abu Bakr had four children and all four were born
during the Jahiliyyah -- the pre Islamic period. Obviously, if Ayesha
(ra) was born in the period of jahiliyyah, she could not have been
less than 14 years in 1 AH -- the time she most likely got married.
"According to Ibn Hisham, the historian, Ayesha (ra) accepted Islam
quite some time before Umar ibn Khattab (ra). This shows that Ayesha
(ra) accepted Islam during the first year of Islam. While, if the
narrative of Ayesha's (ra) marriage at seven years of age is held to
be true, Ayesha (ra) should not have been born during the first year
of Islam. [5]
"Tabari has also reported that at the time Abu Bakr planned on
migrating to Habshah (8 years before Hijrah), he went to Mut`am --
with whose son Ayesha (ra) was engaged -- and asked him to take Ayesha
(ra) in his house as his son's wife. Mut`am refused, because Abu Bakr
had embraced Islam. Now, if Ayesha (ra) was only seven years old at
the time of her marriage, she could not have been born at the time Abu
Bakr decided on migrating to Habshah. On the basis of this report it
seems only reasonable to assume that Ayesha (ra) had not only been
born 8 years before hijrah, but was also a young lady, quite prepared
for marriage.[6]
"According to a narrative reported by Ahmad ibn Hanbal, after the
death of Khadijah (ra), when Khaulah (ra) came to the Prophet (pbuh)
advising him to marry again, the Prophet (pbuh) asked her regarding
the choices she had in her mind. Khaulah said: "You can marry a virgin
(bikr) or a woman who has already been married (thayyib)". When the
Prophet (pbuh) asked about who the virgin was, Khaulah proposed
Ayesha's (ra) name. All those who know the Arabic language, are aware
that the word "bikr" in the Arabic language is not used for an
immature nine year old girl. The correct word for a young playful
girl, as stated earlier is "Jariyah". "Bikr" on the other hand, is
used for an unmarried lady, and obviously a nine year old is not a
"lady".
"According to Ibn Hajar, Fatimah (ra) was five years older than Ayesha
(ra). Fatimah (ra) is reported to have been born when the Prophet
(pbuh) was 35 years old. Thus, even if this information is taken to be
correct, Ayesha (ra) could by no means be less than 14 years old at
the time of hijrah, and 15 or 16 years old at the time of her
marriage.[7]
"These are some of the major points that go against accepting the
commonly known narrative regarding Ayesha's (ra) age at the time of
her marriage.
"In my opinion, neither was it an Arab tradition to give away girls in
marriage at an age as young as nine or ten years, nor did the Prophet
(pbuh) marry Ayesha (ra) at such a young age. The people of Arabia did
not object to this marriage, because it never happened in the manner
it has been narrated."
__________________________________________________
Possible Reason Why Aisha's Age May Have Been Misrepresented
By 1man4all
On the authority of Aisha (RA), who said:
I used to play with dolls in the presence of the Prophet (SAW). And I
had girl- friends (playmates) who played along with me. They would
hide (feeling shy) from him (SAW) whenever he entered. But, he (SAW)
would send for them to join me and they would play with me. (Sahih
Bukhari & Muslim)
First of all, It is obvious to Arabs and Muslims that the term "hide"
and feeling shy means that Muslim girls and women cover themselves
with a veil or find cover behind a chador when a non-'maharm' enters a
room in private quarters. And according to Shaykh Muhammad Shams
al-Haqq al-'Adheem Aabaadee, the words "When he (SAW) came in , they
went out, " meaning the young girls would go out because of shyness
and awe [of the Messenger of Allah (SAW)]."
It is obvious from Hadith literature and other sources that Aisha's
(r.a) age was most likely misquoted because Muslim ulemaa (scholars)
couldn't explain the troubling contradiction that Aisha kept dolls at
a time when there was a general prohibition on figurines. My theory,
which I shall prove below, is that since Aisha (r.a.) didn't have any
children of her known, she was permitted by Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w)
to keep dolls, as there was no danger of her worshipping these
figurines. She probably also shared her toys with other children. One
way that muhadithoon (schaolars of Hadith) have justified this is by
portraying Aisha as a little girl. The Hadith above is just example of
how this was achieved. Any evidence to the contrary, which Kandhalwi
has so convincingly presented, was simply ignored.
The proof that Aisha (r.a.) kept dolls even when she had grown up can
be found from this Hadith:
Abu Dawud
Book 41, Number 4914:
Narrated Aisha, Ummul Mu'minin:
"When the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him) arrived after the
expedition to Tabuk or Khaybar (the narrator is doubtful), the draught
raised an end of a curtain which was hung in front of her store-room,
revealing some dolls which belonged to her. He asked: What is this?
She replied: My dolls. Among them he saw a horse with wings made of
rags, and asked: What is this I see among them? She replied: A horse.
He asked: What is this that it has on it? She replied: Two wings. He
asked: A horse with two wings? She replied: Have you not heard that
Solomon had horses with wings? She said: Thereupon the Apostle of
Allah (peace_be_upon_him) laughed so heartily that I could see his
molar teeth."
[Abu Daawood, An-Nasaa'iee as-Sunan al-Kubraa, Albani (ra) says the
chain of narrators of an-Nasaa'ee is authentic (Saheeh). As for the
chain of narrators of Abu Daawood, Albani (ra) has also declared it to
be authentic (saheeh)]
The expedition to Tabuk took place in 9.A.H and to Khabar at 7 A.H. If
it is assumed that Aishah got married in 1 A.H at the age of nine,
then even at age of 16 or 18 she must have still kept her dolls.
Therefore, using dolls to establish her age doesn't make any sense.
In Sahih Muslim, there are two Ahadith but it says that they are
narrated from Hisham, See Book 31, #5982. And we have already
discussed unreliability of this narration from Hisham. Muslim was a
student of Bukhari and almost certainly, all these Ahadith are
narrated through Hisham or through people of Iraq who knew him.
That the keeping of figurines and the hadith above have been a topic
of discussion for Muslim scholars. And because of obvious
contradictions, the ulemaa have either glossed over it or have tried
to explain to by making Aisha (r.a.) seem like a little girl. The
following are some examples of this flawed thinking:
Al-Haafidh Ibn Hajar said in Fath al-Baaree (Fath al-Baaree, no. 6130,
Kitaab: al-Adab, Baab: al-Inbisaat ilaa an-Naas): This Hadith has been
used as a proof for the permissibility of possessing (suwar - of)
dolls and toys for the purpose of the little girls playing with them.
This has been especially exempted from the general prohibition of
possession of images (suwar).
Al-Khattaabee said: From this hadith it is understood that playing
with dolls (al- banaat) is not like the amusement from other images
(suwar) concerning which the threat (wa'eed) of punishment is
mentioned. The only reason why permission in this was given to Aisha
(RA) is because she had not, at that time, reached the age of puberty.
[al-Haafidh says:] I say: To say with certainty, (that she was not yet
at the age of puberty) is questionable, though it might possibly be
so. This, because Aisha (RA) was a fourteen year old girl at the time
of the battle of Khaibar, either exactly fourteen years old, or having
just passed her fourteenth year (and entering into the fifteenth
year), or approaching it (the fourteenth year).
As for her age at the time of the Battle of Tabook, she had by then
definitely reached the age of puberty. Therefore, the strongest view
is that of those who said: "It was in Khaibar" (i.e., when she was not
yet at the age of puberty), and made reconciliation (jam') [between
the apparent contradictory rulings, of permissibility of dolls, in
particular, and the prohibition of images, in general] with what
al-Khattaabee said (all young girls). This, because to reconcile (make
jam') is better than to assume the ahaadith to be in contradiction
(at-ta'aarud). [End of quotation from al-Haafidh Ibn Hajar]. (Fath
al-Baree)
Any serious person reading this would come to the conclusion that
these scholars are playing tricks with Hadith and are trying to
justify the unjustifiable: On one hand, they want Aisha (r.a.) to be
at or below puberty when aHadith mentions Aisha (r.a) having dolls,
but at the same time, they are faced with a contradiction that she
could not possibly have been less than 18 years old_ way beyond
puberty_ when she had dolls.
If it is assumed that Aisha (r.a.) collected dolls, and that Prophet
Muhammad (s.a.w) allowed her because she considered these figurines as
toys and not as idols, the problem is resolved and there is no need to
twist the truth or to defend something which was clearly an error.
Doesn't This Make Hadith Literature Less Reliable?
Absolutely not. Because it is Hadith literature which is correcting
itself. All the accounts relating to Aisha's (r.a) age are so similar
that they must have originated from one person other than Ayesha and
the Hadith compilers were not always looking at the contradictions
that we now find in different accounts.
_____________________________________________________________________________________________
[1] An objection is made that Tabari also mentions Aisha's age as 9 at
the time of her marriage and do not have Hisham in the chain. See
Tabari (volume 7, page 7, and volume 9, page 129.
In Volume 7, the narration has a broken chain and in Volume 9 Tabari
narrates a long story and it is not clear where the narration actually
ends. Tabari lists Ayesha's age at the end of a paragraph as if he is
providing additional information for his readers. It is unlikely that
such a long story would be remembered verbatim. However, in the same
narration, Ayesha is called a "maiden" (bikr) not a child (jariyah),
which would imply that she was a young woman. In the other narration
that Tabari provides, it is reported through Hisham ibn urwah."
Tabari, who was born in 839 in Iran, was simply quoting what he heard
from other sources without verifying them. The stories that have been
quoted are so similar in account that they must have come from a
single source, which then were repeated infinitum.
In Volume XI of Tabari (published by SUNY), the translator points out
the apparent contradiction. The footnote says, " This statement [that
the four children of Abu Bakr's were born in the period of Jahilia]
appears to contradict the alleged age of Aishah of nine years at the
time of the consummation of her marriage to the Prophet in Shawaal
9April-May 623]…Even if she was born at the end of Jahiliyyah period,
in 609 C.E. she would have been at least thirteen solar years old by
the year 1/622-23."
[2] Another objection is made that Maududi disagrees with the
statement that this sura was revealed nine years before the Hijrah:
The incident of the shaqq-al-Qamar (splitting of the moon) that has
been mentioned in it, determines its period of revelation precisely.
The traditionists and commentators are agreed that this incident took
place at Mina in Makkah about five years before the Holy Prophet's
Hijra to Madinah. However, According to M.M. Khatib, another scholar
and author of "The Bounteous Koran" authorized by al-Azhar University,
the 54th chapter of the Quran was revealed eight years before Hijrah.
Even if it is accepted that Surah al-Qamar was revealed five years
before Hijrah, Ayesha would have to be three years old_ basically a
child (sibyah)_ and not a young girl (jariyah).
[3] Some non-Muslims have made the objection that since Aisha had
reached puberty and was considered an adult, she was able to accompany
the soldiers to the battlefield. Also, the women were not combatants.
They fetched water, and gave aid to the wounded, but did not
participate in the actual fighting. However it seems unlikely that a a
nine year old girl could be helping the war wounded but a boy 13 years
of age couldn't.
[4] Additional References for Asma's age:
Ibn Khatir: "she [Asma] was elder to her sister [Ayesha] by ten
years". (Al-Bidayah wa'l-nihayah, Ibn Kathir, Vol 8, Pg 371, Arabic,
Dar al-fikr al-`arabi, Al-jizah, 1933).
Abda'l-Rahman ibn abi zanna'd:Asma (ra) was ten years older than
Ayesha. (Siyar A`la'ma'l-nubala', Al-Zahabi, Vol 2, Pg 289, Arabic,
Mu'assasatu'l-risalah, Beirut, 1992)
Ibn Khatir: "She [Asma] saw the killing of her son during that year
[i.e. 73 AH], as we have already mentioned, five days later she
herself died, according to other narratives her death was not five but
ten or twenty or a few days over twenty or a hundred days later. The
most well known narrative is that of hundred days later. At the time
of her death, she was 100 years old." (Al-Bidayah wa'l-nihayah, Ibn
Kathir, Vol 8, Pg 372, Arabic, Dar al-fikr al-`arabi, Al-jizah, 1933)
Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani: "She [Asma (ra)] lived a hundred years and died
in 73 or 74 AH." (Taqribu'l-tehzib, Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalani, Pg 654,
Arabic, Bab fi'l-nisa', al-harfu'l-alif, Lucknow).
[5] According to the story in Ibn Ishaq's Seerah, when Umar, still a
non-Muslim, came to kill the Prophet and that that time the migration
to Abbysinnia had already taken place_ we don't know for how many
years. Ibn Ishaq writes, " …Umar came out, girt with his sword, making
for the apostle, and a number of his companions, who he had been
informed had gathered in a house at al-Safa, in all about forty,
including women. With the apostle was his uncle Hamza, and Abu Bakr,
and Ali, from among the Muslims who stayed with the apostle and had
not gone out with those who went to Abbysinia." That means that Aisha
who was Abu Bakr's daughter must have accepted Islam before Umar (r.a)
. Umar (r.a) accepted Islam in 616 CE. If Aishah was born in 612 CE,
then she had to have accepted Islam as soon as she was born.! This
also contradicts Tabari's statement that all four children of Abu Bakr
were born in Jahiliyah (before 610 CE.).
According to Ibn Hisham, Ayesha (ra) was the 20th or the 21st person
to enter into the folds of Islam (Al-Sirah al-Nabawiyyah, Ibn Hisham,
Vol 1, Pg 227 - 234, Arabic, Maktabah al-Riyadh al-hadithah,
Al-Riyadh) While `umar ibn al-khattab was preceded by forty
individuals (Al-Sirah al-Nabawiyyah, Ibn Hisham, Vol 1, Pg 295,
Arabic, Maktabah al-Riyadh al-hadithah, Al-Riyadh).
[6] In Tabari, Volume 9, page 29, there is a note that it was Khawlah
bint Hakim who originally proposed that the Prophet either marry
Aisha, who is called a "maiden" (bikr) or marry Sawdah. If the
marriage was controversial or socially unacceptable in any way, why
would Khawlah even propose such a thing? It doesn't seem that Khawlah
would be talking about a child. As I have stated above, Tabari
contradicts himself on this issue and therefore the narrations that he
has quoted are all suspect.
[7] According to Ibn Hajar, " Fatimah was born at the time the Ka'bah
was rebuilt, when the Prophet (pbuh) was 35 years old… she (Fatimah)
was five years older than Ayeshah." (See al-Isabah fi tamyizi
l-sahabah, Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani, Vol. 4, p. 377, Maktabutu'l-Riyadh
al-haditha, al-Riyadh, 1978).
Cindy
"W. Syme" <Winston.Syme....@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
news:be24ff0b5dd99f07...@news.1usenet.com...
>>
>>If there's anything that seems to be unique to Christianity, it is the
>>notion that God redeemed mankind by allowing his only begotten son to
>>suffer and die
>>
>
> do ANYTHING, including redeeming mankind without needing any
> sacrifice.
Can he make a rock so heavy that he cannot life it?
Can he make a 60 year old man instantly? Not someone who looks sixty, but is
sixty.
Can he make sense of this, can you?
Take the resurrection & post resurrection accounts of the 4 gospels and acts
and write a harmony.
Try to do it in the form of a play: where the scene it, who is there, what
happened, who said what.
There are only 8 or so chapters.
But the important thing is: do it without leaving out a single one of those
god inspired inerrant details.
Douglas Berry
cliffs of alt.atheism on Sat, 31 Jul 2004 03:47:16 -0700 by Zoog,
minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>lecherous pedophile
>
>muhammad (piss be upon him) fourteen hundred years ago
Why is this cross-posted to alt.atheism?
--
Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
"Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
when they do it from religious conviction."
Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
I love Edsels
'God' is obviously some kind of dickhead.
On 31 Jul 2004 08:58:30 -0700, hunte...@yahoo.com (Truth Hunter)
wrote:
>Why God couldnt or didnt save mankind with less gruesome tactics?
>
>
IT @something.net Don
>God became man in the person of Jesus Christ to die on the cross for the redemption of
>man's sin and the salvation of his soul.
Why? Was God UNABLE to FORGIVE the actions of his own creation who
were merely acting the way God designed them to act?
>>How do Chistians explain why redemption could not have been achieved
"You stupid smuck can't you read the Holy Bible, and not your demonic
occult books jew boy. We don't need your lying demonic idiotic self in
here you stupid evil Jew. Yes we know you serve Satan, as your master
Jew! Go to HELL Jew you be there soon enough you atheist dog!"
---PHILLIP RAY HOLMES
"You open your mouth fool and just prove my point you stupid moron
demonic devil,"
---PHILLIP RAY HOLMES
"Eliyahu look you brain dead demonic lying demon from Hell Jew your
nothing but a lying jackass, an asinine idiot with the Iq of a gnat.
So much for you Eliyahu the lying demonic Jew, Satan Worsipper.
Jew devil go back to HELL where you came from Jew."
---PHILLIP RAY HOLMES
"I had wonder if you really were a dumb and then you open your
big mouth and remove all doubt!"
---PHILLIP RAY HOLMES
Malcolm
"bob young" <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote
>
> ......and the rest of the world? The millions of Asians, all of the
Africans,
> the Indians on the Continent that later would become the USA. Why were
all
> these missing out on the works of this god and his so called son?
>
> Because it was all a localised myth maybe?
>
Christ?
However Jesus was aware that He was only speaking to a very small
sub-section of the human population, in Palestine. His theory was that the
good news was being offered first to the Jews, as the chosen people, and
only afterwards would it be offered to the gentiles (we have to be careful
here, because we know there was a dispute between Peter and Paul on the
status of gentile Christians, and everythign written in the gospels will be
written in the light of this).
Read the parable of the mustard seed. Jesus started out small, with two men
(John and Jesus) going round preaching. However they rapidly grew to a
massive movement.
bob young
Malcolm wrote:
I prefer my rationale - 'a localised myth'.
You quote JC as though you were there! The stories surrounding him were
written 2.4 generations after the so called fact. How accurate do you imagine
these stories are ???!!!! Passed from word to mouth until they were
eventually written down, seconth, third, fourth hand! Changed in essence each
time the story was passed on.
"Come On"
bob young
Cindy wrote:
> "W. Syme" <Winston.Syme....@fastmail.fm> wrote in message
> news:be24ff0b5dd99f07...@news.1usenet.com...
> > On 31 Jul 2004 08:58:30 -0700, hunte...@yahoo.com (Truth Hunter)
> > wrote:
> >
> >>Why God couldnt or didnt save mankind with less gruesome tactics?
> >>
> >>If there's anything that seems to be unique to Christianity, it is the
> >>notion that God redeemed mankind by allowing his only begotten son to
> >>suffer and die
> >>
> >
> > He enjoyed it, that's the only plausible answer. God, being God, can
> > do ANYTHING, including redeeming mankind without needing any
> > sacrifice.
>
> Can he make a rock so heavy that he cannot life it?
No .......but according to some he made us in his own image. Yet in one of
about every 2,000 pregnancies the fetus turns out to be horribly deformed, so
horrible the mother never gets to see it.
The Christian god produced THIS!?
Bob
A Brit.
Hong Kong
"God and Satan alike are essentially human figures,
the one a projection of ourselves, the other of our enemies."
[Lord Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970)]
bob young
I love Edsels wrote:
> 'God' is obviously some kind of dickhead.
WROOOOONG - the Dickheads are HUMANS!!!!
Bob
Hong Kong
'there are only two things that have no end,
human stupidity and the universe,
and I'm not sure about the universe'
[Albert Einstein]
drahcir
>"..." <.@.com> wrote in message news:<ceggc5$27l$1...@mawar.singnet.com.sg>...
>> lecherous pedophile
>>
>> muhammad (piss be upon him) fourteen hundred years ago
>>
>> Muhammed was a disgusting pedophile and those who spread his teachings are
>> more disgusting than him:
>>
>> Comment: When Muhammed was about 50 years old he had dreams of marrying a
>> child, Aisha, who was only about 4-5 years old. How do we know this?
>> Muhammed lived about 570 A.D. to 632 A.D.,
>
>Disproved numerous times.
While I am in agreement that the age of Aisha was probably not nine at
the time of marriage, this has not been DISPROVED. It is merely
suggested by a preponderance of the evidence.
duke
>> Actually, you've had the real answer, but ignored it.
>> God became man in the person of Jesus Christ to die on the cross for the redemption of
>> man's sin and the salvation of his soul.
>> Judism didn't do it as it was introduction to the final covenant.
>> >How do Chistians explain why redemption could not have been achieved
>> >by milder means?
>> Only God can answer.
>you mean one of these gods?.......
Nah, unless you have almighty God in the list, none of these ever existed.
>> Æs Sídhe Celtic
>> Clûd[goddess] Celtic
>> Sirêne[goddess] Haiti
>> Tñairgin Russia
duke
duke
>>God became man in the person of Jesus Christ to die on the cross for the redemption of
>>man's sin and the salvation of his soul.
>Why? Was God UNABLE to FORGIVE the actions of his own creation who
>were merely acting the way God designed them to act?
Nope. Not unable at all.
I personally profess, seeing as Jesus will be the one to meet us at the gate and then
stand in judgment of us, that God decided that Jesus would experience the same exposure to
life and it's events as all mankind does yet never said "yes" to the evil things the way
we human do.
You see, we are not judged by God, my feelings, for what we do as for why we do it.
Therefore, to elect to turn from the things of evil is what we are called out to do.
Jesus experienced the same as us and said "no". We are judged for our lack of desire to
not say "yes".
It is thru love of God and our positive response to follow him that we turn away from
evil.
I love Edsels
God is a real prick, more so than Bill o'Reilly.
Tom
Seattle
Jez
> Why God couldnt or didnt save mankind with less gruesome tactics?
>
As no God exists.........how could he ?
--
Jez
"The condition of alienation, of being asleep, of being unconscious,
of being out of one's mind, is the condition of the normal man. Society
highly values its normal man.It educates children to lose themselves
and to become absurd,and thus to be normal. Normal men have killed
perhaps 100,000,000 of their fellow normal men in the last fifty years."
R.D. Laing
JustMe
Here's what you wrote way back....
From: Truth Hunter (hunte...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Explosives in Shoes - CIA Movie
View: Complete Thread (76 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: alt.security.terrorism, alt.current-events.wtc-explosion,
alt.politics.economics, alt.prophecies.nostradamus, alt.religion.islam
Date: 2001-12-25 05:20:00 PST
Power Of Islam
THE DRAW OF ISLAM
http://www.iiie.net/Articles/DrawOfIslam.html
============================================================================
========
Mercy
Quran3.31 Say: "If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you
and forgive you
your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
Quran4.110 If any one does evil or wrongs his own soul but afterwards
seeks Allah's
forgiveness, he will find Allah Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Quran4.112. But if any one earns a fault or a sin and throws it on to
one that is
innocent, he carries (on himself) (both) a falsehood and a flagrant
sin.
Quran4.152 To those who believe in Allah and His messengers and make
no distinction
between any of the messengers, we shall soon give their (due) rewards:
for
Allah is Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful.
Quran5.74 Why turn they not to Allah, and seek His forgiveness? For
Allah is Oft-
forgiving, Most Merciful.
Quran6.165 It is He Who hath made you the inheritors of the earth: He
hath raised
you in ranks, some above others: that He may try you in the gifts He
hath given
you: for thy Lord is quick in punishment: yet He is indeed
Oft-forgiving, Most
Merciful.
(This is our theological position as to why some people are born
disadvantaged)
Quran7.153 But those who do wrong but repent thereafter and (truly)
believe,- verily
thy Lord is thereafter Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
==================================================================
There are hundreds of similar verses. The whole essence of Islam is
mercy and
forgivness, indeed, He (swt) states that it is better to forgive a
murderer
than punish him and satisfy you lust for revenge. The whole of Islam
is summed
up by a hadith :
Hadith Qudsi 34:
On the authority of Anas (may Allah be pleased with him), who said: I
heard the
Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) say: Allah the Almighty said:
O son of Adam, so long as you call upon Me and ask of Me, I shall
forgive you
for what you have done, and I shall not mind. O son of Adam, were your
sins to
reach the clouds of the sky and were you then to ask forgiveness of
Me, I would
forgive you. O son of Adam, were you to come to Me with sins nearly as
great as
the earth and were you then to face Me, ascribing no partner to Me, I
would
bring you forgiveness nearly as great at it.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: "The world is green and beautiful, and
Allah has appointed you as His stewards over it. He sees how you
acquit yourselves."
From: Truth Hunter (hunte...@yahoo.com)
Subject: Re: Explosives in Shoes - CIA Movie
View: Complete Thread (76 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: alt.security.terrorism, alt.current-events.wtc-explosion,
alt.politics.economics, alt.prophecies.nostradamus, alt.religion.islam
Date: 2001-12-25 05:20:00 PST
Power Of Islam
THE DRAW OF ISLAM
http://www.iiie.net/Articles/DrawOfIslam.html
============================================================================
========
Mercy
Quran3.31 Say: "If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you
and forgive you
your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful."
Quran4.110 If any one does evil or wrongs his own soul but afterwards
seeks Allah's
forgiveness, he will find Allah Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.
Quran4.112. But if any one earns a fault or a sin and throws it on to
one that is
innocent, he carries (on himself) (both) a falsehood and a flagrant
sin.
Quran4.152 To those who believe in Allah and His messengers and make
no distinction
between any of the messengers, we shall soon give their (due) rewards:
for
Allah is Oft- forgiving, Most Merciful.
Quran5.74 Why turn they not to Allah, and seek His forgiveness? For
Allah is Oft-
forgiving, Most Merciful.
Quran6.165 It is He Who hath made you the inheritors of the earth: He
hath raised
you in ranks, some above others: that He may try you in the gifts He
hath given
you: for thy Lord is quick in punishment: yet He is indeed
Oft-forgiving, Most
Merciful.
(This is our theological position as to why some people are born
disadvantaged)
Quran7.153 But those who do wrong but repent thereafter and (truly)
believe,- verily
thy Lord is thereafter Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
==================================================================
There are hundreds of similar verses. The whole essence of Islam is
mercy and
forgivness, indeed, He (swt) states that it is better to forgive a
murderer
than punish him and satisfy you lust for revenge. The whole of Islam
is summed
up by a hadith :
Hadith Qudsi 34:
On the authority of Anas (may Allah be pleased with him), who said: I
heard the
Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) say: Allah the Almighty said:
O son of Adam, so long as you call upon Me and ask of Me, I shall
forgive you
for what you have done, and I shall not mind. O son of Adam, were your
sins to
reach the clouds of the sky and were you then to ask forgiveness of
Me, I would
forgive you. O son of Adam, were you to come to Me with sins nearly as
great as
the earth and were you then to face Me, ascribing no partner to Me, I
would
bring you forgiveness nearly as great at it.
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said: "The world is green and beautiful, and
Allah has appointed you as His stewards over it. He sees how you
acquit yourselves."
"Truth Hunter" <hunte...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Shan
You didn't hunt well. My response to this has been in this NG for
months which responds also to the real value of the old Jewish
sacrificial system.
QUOTE
An animal's life does not atone for one's sin unless it stands for a
MEGA sacrifice -- Jesus. One human life can offset the debt for
another human life but many human lives can never be paid for by one
human or animal sacrifice.
A lot is written in these NGs and others about atonement for sin and
question what is proper sacrifice that is "acceptable" to God and what
is not.
Exercises in linguists in Hebrew and Greek attempt to find answers in
the Bible while quasi-historians and quasi-archaeologists pontificate.
I am not claiming to be a scholar of any of the fields mentioned
about; however, what I think I know trivializes some of the scholastic
attempts for simple reasons. Here is why:
Were the sacrifices of ancient religions, including Judaism, of any
value? If so, what is the value of the sacrifice itself, not the
symbol behind it? Doesn't a lamb = a lamb or is a lamb = a person's
life?
How does one receive atonement from God through the blood of an
animal? If I were to kill my brother then sacrifice a lamb at the
Temple, how can a lamb equal my brother's life? It cannot.
Sacrificial systems existed since the beginning of time to please the
"gods." Living humans were presented as sacrifices by ancient
peoples.
How did animal sacrifice become a worthy tool of atonement? It became
as such when it became a pre-enactment of a "promissory" sacrifice. A
promissory sacrifice is one which one promises to do or God, if you
will, assures to perform (or has performed) on behalf of you in a
major way that return the scale of debt from that of owing to that of
equilibrium.
Those who think that Jesus was a man who sacrificed his life as a
single human, are mistaken. A human can only pay for another human
life.
The sacrifice of Jesus was a MEGA sacrifice of a super-human i.e. God
in human incarnation that suffices to offset the debt humanity owes
and returns the balance to equilibrium. Anything less than that will
not atone.
UNQUOTE
hunte...@yahoo.com (Truth Hunter) wrote in message news:<e164e783.04073...@posting.google.com>...
Tony Cox
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> "..." <.@.com> wrote in message
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> > lecherous pedophile
> >
> > muhammad (piss be upon him) fourteen hundred years ago
> >
> > Muhammed was a disgusting pedophile and those who spread his teachings
are
> > more disgusting than him:
> >
> > Comment: When Muhammed was about 50 years old he had dreams of marrying
a
> > child, Aisha, who was only about 4-5 years old. How do we know this?
> > Muhammed lived about 570 A.D. to 632 A.D.,
>
> Disproved numerous times.
You mean, disputed numerous times (by you).
So tell me, did you e-mail muslim-answers.org like you
said you were going to? What do they say about your
"theory"?
Malcolm
"bob young" <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote
>
> > However Jesus was aware that He was only speaking to a very small
> > sub-section of the human population, in Palestine. His theory was that
the
> > good news was being offered first to the Jews, as the chosen people, and
> > only afterwards would it be offered to the gentiles (we have to be
careful
> > here, because we know there was a dispute between Peter and Paul on the
> > status of gentile Christians, and everythign written in the gospels will
be
> > written in the light of this).
> > Read the parable of the mustard seed. Jesus started out small, with two
men
> > (John and Jesus) going round preaching. However they rapidly grew to a
> > massive movement.
>
> I prefer my rationale - 'a localised myth'.
>
> You quote JC as though you were there!
>
here because we know that there was a dispute between Peter and Paul on the
status of gentile Christians, and everything written in the gospels will be
written in the light of this." However no, I'm a naive biblical literalist,
because that's what all theists are.
>
> The stories surrounding him were written 2.4 generations after the so
called
> fact.
>
to be written, is 120AD. So if John wrote in AD120 a man who was a teenager
in AD33 would then be a hundred years old. So what's your conclusion abiut
the likely accuracy of the account?
JTEM
"Malcolm" <mal...@55bank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote
> However no, I'm a naive biblical literalist, because that's
> what all theists are.
That's bullshit. Most of "Christianity" doesn't subscribe to
biblical literalism. In fact, only the fundamentalist do.
JTEM
Slight correction: Even the fundamentalist routinely ignore
biblical passages, or even invent many out of thin air, to suite
their personal agendas.
Example:
Nowhere in the bible does Jesus ever once mention
homosexuality, never mind condemn it.
The one single biblical passage that -- as translated -- appears
to condemn homosexuality is found in Leviticus. Leviticus
prohibits the eating of pork (ham, bacon, pork sausages) and
shell fish, amongst other things. Even fundamentalists -- for all
their claims of a "Literal" interpretation of the bible -- do not
interpret Leviticus literally. In fact, they dismiss it as a body
of cultural laws.... at least in all cases other than homosexuality.
The only way "Christians" can condemn homosexuality is by
cherry picking certain biblical passages, even as they dismiss
others (in the exact same book) as worthless filler.
Shan
> "bob young" <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote
> >
> > ......and the rest of the world? The millions of Asians, all of the
> Africans,
> > the Indians on the Continent that later would become the USA. Why were
> all
> > these missing out on the works of this god and his so called son?
> >
> > Because it was all a localised myth maybe?
> >
> That could count as a common argument. What about those who know nothing of
> Christ?
> However Jesus was aware that He was only speaking to a very small
> sub-section of the human population, in Palestine. His theory was that the
> good news was being offered first to the Jews, as the chosen people, and
The Jews were "chosen" people to be the priesthood to the whole world
but they misunderstood that and kept their religion to themselves
dispising others and considering them less than human -- an Egyptian
concept that they must have learned when they were slaves in Egypt
(all non-Egyptians were sub-human).
The Jews having failed in their mission, the Redeemer was forced out
of their hand to those who accepted him beginning with the
Phoenician/Canaanite woman in Sidon/Tyre who was among the first to
become a follower of Jesus.
Anyway, Christ the Redeemer is for every single human how ever came
into the world or will ever come. He is the one who saves those who
knew him and those who never knew him.
The countless millions thousands of years are saved through him from
China to the Americas and the far corners of the earth. "...the world
through him might be saved. God sent not his Son into the world to
condemn the WORLD but that the WORLD through him might be saved" --
not the Christians (Catholics or Protestants) but everybody is saved
because of him and through him include those who never knew him and
will be born and die without knowing him, including those who never
had any religion.
Any one who thinks other wise has a serious problem in understand God
and corrupts the image of God.
Cindy
"Don" < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote in message
news:148pg0dr0hcm1nbbb...@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 31 Jul 2004 14:03:28 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>>God became man in the person of Jesus Christ to die on the cross for the
>>redemption of
>>man's sin and the salvation of his soul.
>
> Why? Was God UNABLE to FORGIVE the actions of his own creation who
> were merely acting the way God designed them to act?
>
>>>How do Chistians explain why redemption could not have been achieved
>
>
>
> "You stupid smuck can't you read the Holy Bible, and not your demonic
> occult books jew boy. We don't need your lying demonic idiotic self in
> here you stupid evil Jew. Yes we know you serve Satan, as your master
> Jew! Go to HELL Jew you be there soon enough you atheist dog!"
> ---PHILLIP RAY HOLMES
Wow! Real Xian love!!! LOL
Cindy
walksalone
> "bob young" <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote
>>
>>> However Jesus was aware that He was only speaking to a very small
>>> sub-section of the human population, in Palestine. His theory was that
> the
>>> good news was being offered first to the Jews, as the chosen people, and
>>> only afterwards would it be offered to the gentiles (we have to be
> careful
>>> here, because we know there was a dispute between Peter and Paul on the
>>> status of gentile Christians, and everythign written in the gospels will
> be
>>> written in the light of this).
>>> Read the parable of the mustard seed. Jesus started out small, with two
> men
>>> (John and Jesus) going round preaching. However they rapidly grew to a
>>> massive movement.
>>
>> I prefer my rationale - 'a localised myth'.
>>
>> You quote JC as though you were there!
> Typical atheist misrepresentation. I specifically say "we have to be careful
This is opposed to a typical theist alteration f reality to suit them in
just what way exactly.
> here because we know that there was a dispute between Peter and Paul on the
> status of gentile Christians, and everything written in the gospels will be
> written in the light of this." However no, I'm a naive biblical literalist,
> because that's what all theists are.
I can imagine the look on the faces of the Hindu's now. I don't believe you
Malcolm. But then, you have a posting history that says that taking you at
your word is not likely to be anything but foolhardy. From strawmen to
bluster, that's the Malcolm of acrr-c shame.
Oh, &* I doubt the Islamics believe you either.
>> The stories surrounding him were written 2.4 generations after the so
> called
>> fact.
> Well the latest likely date for the composition of John's gospel, the last
> to be written, is 120AD. So if John wrote in AD120 a man who was a teenager
> in AD33 would then be a hundred years old. So what's your conclusion abiut
> the likely accuracy of the account?
That there was not likely to be anyone named John that would have survived
in that region that long. They were turbulent times. Almost as turbulent as
your avoidance of two simple questions.
how was god used in first cent. Palestine, Roma & other mideastern regions.
Which three gods on the following list are you going to provide evidence
for, evidence that they were false gods?
A'akuluujjusi Abaangui Abaasy Ababinili Abaddon
Abadir Abarimon Abathur Abatur Abba Amona
Abbas Abdallah Abdals Abdiel Abdrianahoabu
Abdu'r-Rahman Abere Abgal Abhijit Abigail
Abigor Abinadab Abora Abracadabra Absalom
Absu Abu Jahl Ac Yanto Acan Acat Acephali
Achiyalatopa Achor Aclla Acolmiztli Acolnahuacatl
Acoran Acuecucyoticihuati Ad Adaheli Adam
Adam Beliyya'al' Adam Kadmon Adam Kasia Adaox
Adapa Adar Adaro Adekagagwaa Adi Putra Adimurti
Aditi Aditinggi Adityas Adjassou-Linguetor Adjinakou
Adlet Adlivun and Adon Adonai Adrammelech
Adriamahilala Adriambahomanana Adroa Adroanzi Adya Houn'tň
Aesma Daeva Afa Afrit Aganju Agas Agasaya
A-gaskw Agassou Agastya Agaures Agé Agemem Aghora
Agla Aglibol Agloolik Agni Aguara Agwe Ah Bolom Tzacab
Ah Cancum Ah Chun Caan Ah Chuy Kak Ah Ciliz
Ah Cun Can Ah Cuxtal Ah Hulneb Ah Kin
Ah Kumix Uinicob Ah Mun Ah Muzencab Ah Patnar Uinicob
Ah Peku Ah Puch Ah Tabai Ah Toltecat
Ah Uincir Dz'acab Ah Uuc Ticab Aha Njoku Ahalya
Ahau Chamahez Ahau-Kin Ahduth Ahi
Ahimelech Ahl Al-Badr Ahmad Ahmakiq
Ahoeitu Aholi Ahriman Ahsonnutli
Ahulane Ahura Ahura Mazda Ahurani
Ai Ai Apaec Ai Tojon Aigamuxa
Aigiarm Aion Aipaloovik Airavata
Airyaman Aitu Aitvaras Aizen-Myoo
Aja Aja Ajari Joan Ajbit
Aje Aji Saka Ajilee Aji-Shiki
Aji-Suki-Taka-Hi-Kone Ajok Ajtzak Ajysyt
Aka Aka Manah Aka-Kanet Ak-ana
Akbaalia Akba-atatdia Akewa Akhlut
Akhushtal Akkad Akkan Akna
Akonadi Akshayapatra Akycha Al Ait
Al Araf Al Borak Al Kadr Al Sirat
Ala Alaghom Naom Alaghom Naom Tzentel
Alakapuri Alalus Alardi Alauwaimis
Albino Spirit animals Alchera Alektca Alele
Aleyin Alignak Alii Menehune Alilat
Alkonost Alk'umta'm Allah Allanque
Allat Allatu Allatum Allowat Sakima
Allulu Alom Alom-bag-winno-sis Alom-begwi-no-sis
Alowatsakima Altan-Telgey Altjira Alu
Aluluei Aluqa al-Uzza Alyasa'
Alyeong Am Ama-arhus Amadlozi
Amagandar Amaguq Amala Amam
Aman Ama-No-Minaka-Nushi Amaravati
Amashaspan Amaterasu Amatsu Mikaboshi
Amatsu-Kami Ama-Tsu-Mara Ambat Ambika
Ambiki Ame-No-Kagase-Wo Ame-No-Mi-Kumari
Ame-No-Oshido-Mimi Ame-No-Toko-Tachi Ame-No-Wakahiko Ameretat
Amesha Spentas Amida Amimitl Amitabha Amitabha
Ami-Te-Rangi Amitolane Amm Amma Amma
Ammavaru Ammon Am-No-Tanabata-Hime Amori Amorites
Amotken Amrita Amurru An Anahid
Anahita Anak Anakim Anala Anan Ananga
Ananku Anansasem Anansi Anansi-Tori Ananta
Ananta Thewi Anantaboga Anantesa Anapel
Anat Anath Anatiwa Anatu Anbay Anbiya'
Ancient Spider Andaokut Andhaka Andiciopec Andriamanitra
Andrianahary Andrianamboatena Anduruna Aneka-Warna
Anerneq Angalkuq Angels Angiris Angra Mainyu Anguta
Angwusnasomtaka Ani Hyuntikwalaski Anila Animal spirits
Aningan Aniwye Anjea Anjuman Anky-Kele Annamurti Annapurna
Annecy Anog Ite Ansa Anshitsu Anta Kusuma Antaboga
Antichrist Anting-anting Antu Anu Anulap Anumati
Anunitu Anunna Anunnaku Anuradha Anyiewo Anzu Ao
Apa Apakura Apalala Apam Napat Apam-natat Apanuugak
Apaosa Apap Apicilnic Apikunni Apkallu Apo Apo Katawan
Apocalypse Apocalyptic Beast Apocatequil Aponibolinayen Apotamkin
Apotequil Apoyan Tachi Apsaras Apsu Apu Illapu
Apu Lagang Apu Punchau Apu-Hau Apu-Ko-Hai
Aqalax Aqhat Aql' Ara Tiotio A'raf Arallu
Aranyani Aranzahas Ararat Aray Arazu Archangels
Archons Ardhanari Ardhanarisvara Ardra Arebati Aredvi
Aremata-Popoa Aremata-Rorua Arendiwane Areoi
Areop-Enap Arinna Arinnitti Arioch
Arishtat Arjuna Arma Armageddon Armaiti
Armazd Arnakua'gsak Arohirohi Arsaces
Arsay Arsh Arsh Arsu Artinis Arundhati Aruru
Aryman Aryong Jong Asa Asagwe Asar Asase Ya
Asdiwal A-senee-ki-wakw Asertu Asgaya Gigagei Asha vahishta
Asherah Asherat Ashiakle Ashnan Ashta-Dikpalas Ashtoreth
Ashuku-Nyorai Ashur Asiaq Asilky Asin Asintmah
Ask-wee-da-eed Aslesa Asman Asmodeus Asokottamasri
Aspalis Aspelenie Assembly of the Gods Astabis Astamatara
Astar Astarte Astlik Asto Vidatu Astomi Astvat-Ereta
Asura Asurakumara Asuras Asvayujau Asvins
Ata Atacokai Ataguchu Ataguju Atahensic
Atai Atanea Atanua Atar Atarapa Atargatis Atea Atharva Veda
Atharvan Athirat Athtar Ati Aticandika Atik
Atisokan Atius Tirawa Atl Atlacamani Atlacoya
Atlaibos Atlatonin Atlaua Atman Atonga
Ato-sees Atrahasis Atri Atshen Atsolowas
Attis Atu Atua Atua Fafine Atua I Kafika
Atua I Raropuka Atugan Atutuahi Auahi-Turoa Auchimalgen
Au-Co Audjal Aulanerk Aumakua Aumanil
Aunga Aunggaak Aunt Nancy Auparu Auraka
Auriaria Ausautas Ausrine Austeja Ausweikis
Autrimpas Avaiki Avaiki Tautau Avalou
Avatars of Vishnu Avatea Avya Awabi
Awaeh Yegendji Awakkule A'war Awes-kon-wa
Awha Awitelin Tsta Awonawilona Axomama
Aya Ayauhteotl Ayesha Ayida-Weddo
Ayizan Ays Ayyappan Azaka-Tonnerre
Azazel Azaziel Azeban Azi Dahaka
Azima Azrael Ba Ba Ngu'
Ba Xian Baal Baal Shamin Baal-Addir
Baalat Baal-Berith Baal-Biq'ah Baal-Gebal
Baal-Hadad Baal-Hammon Baal-Karmelos Baal-Malage
Baal-Marqod Baal-Peor Baal-Qarnain Baal-Samem
Baal-Sapon Baatsi Baaxpee Baba
Babbar Bacabs Bacalou Bachue
Backlum Chaam Badessy Badi Mata Badoura
Baga Bagadjimbiri Bagala Bagaspati
Bagisht Bagucks Bahram Baiame
Baj Bajania Bakbakwalanooksiwae Bakemono
Baku Bala Balakrsna Balam
Balam-Agab Balam-Quitzé Balan Balarama
Baldhead Bale Kenchur Balepa Bali
Balin Balkis Baloma Bamapana
Banaitja Banga Bangputys Banka-Mundi
Bannik Banoi Baphomet Barabbas
Baraka Bardo Bardoyats Baron Samedi
Barqiya Basamacha Basamum Basket Woman
Basmu Bat Kol Batara Guru Batibat
Batsolowanagwes Batul Baytu-Llah bDud
Bé b'lia Bead Spitter Bear Bear Medicine Woman
Bear Woman Beaver Beaver Doctor Beda
Bedig-wajo Beelzebub Beg Beg-tse
Behemoth Beher Beiwe Bel
Bel Belan Belet-Ili Beletseri
Belial Belit-Sheri Belogob Belphegor
Bendis Beng Benkei Benten
Benzai-Ten Berchta Bereginy Berith
Beruth Bethel Bhadra Bhaga
Bharadwaja Bharani Bharat Mata Bharati
Bhavanavasi Bhavani Bhima Bhrigus
Bhumidevi Bhumiya Bhutamata Bhutas
Bhuvanesvari Bia Biame Bidadari
Bielbog Big Heads Big Man Eater Big Tail
Big Twisted Flute Bikeh Hozho Bimbogami Bimbomushi
Bimini Binzuru-Sonja Bishamon Bishara
Bissat Bitol Bixia Yuanjin Black Hactcin
Black Tamanous Blind Boy Blind Man Blood Clot Boy
Bloody Hand Blorong Blue Dragon Blue-Jay
Bmola Bobbi-bobbi Bochica Bogatyri
Boldogasszony Boli Shah Bolontiku Bomazi
Bombay Kamayan Bomoh Book of Life Boraspati ni Nato
Boroka Boru Saniang Naga Bosatsu Bossou Ashadeh
Boszorkany Boum'ba Maza Brag-srin-mo Brahma
Brahmani Brahmapura Brahmastra Breksta
Brekyirihunuade Bridge of Heaven Bridge of Jehennam Brihaspati
Brolga bTsan Bua-Taranga Bubwayaita
Buddha Buddhi Budha Budhi Pallien
Bue Buffalo Buga Bugady Musun
Bugid Y Aiba Bukit Kaca Buku Bukura e dheut
Bukuri e qiellit Bulotu Bulu Buluc Chabtan
Buluga Bumba Bunbulama Bunjil
Bunosi Bunyip Burijas Buriyas
Burnt Belly Burnt Face Burotu Bushyasta
Buta Butsu Butsudan Butsudo
Butterfly Butyakengo Buyan Buyasta
Byelobog Byelun Byon Cabaguil
Cabirus Cabrakan Cacoch Cacodaemon
Caha-Paluma Cain Cai-shen Cakixia
Cakulha Camaxtli Camaxtli Camaxtli
Camazotz Camros Camulatz Canotila
Cao Guo-jiu Capa Captain Debas Cariocienus
Carp Catequil Cauac Cavillaca
Ccoa Celestial kings Centeotl Centipede
Centzon Totochtin Centzonuitznaua Cetan Cghene
Chac Chac Uayab Xoc Chahnameed Chaitanya
Chalchiuhtlatonal Chalchiuhtlicue Chalchiutotolin Chalmecacihuilt
Chalmecatl Chama Chamer Chamunda
Chanak Chanda Chandanayika Chandarupa
Chandavati Chandesvara Chandi Chandika
Chandogra Chandra Chandrasekhara Changing Bear Woman
Changing Woman Chantico Chaob Charred Body
Chasca Chasca Coyllur Chaturmurti Chaya
Chebeldei Chemosh Cheng-huang Chepi
Cherruve Cherubim Cherufe Chia
Chibaiskweda Chibchacum Chibiabos Chibirias
Chiccan Chickcharney Chicomecoatl Chicomexochtli
Chiconahui Chiconahuiehecatl Chie Chien-shin
Chih Nu Chiha Yo Changgun Child-Born-in-Jug Chimata-no-kami
Chiminigagua Chinnamastaka Chirakan Chiruwi
Chitra Chitragupta Chiuta Choimha
Ch'o-je Cholmus Chonguite Chors
Christ Chthonic gods Chu Jiang Chujo Hime
Chuku Chulyen Chumong Chu-nhŕ
Chup-Kamui Chuvalete Cibaciba Cihuacoatl
Cin-an-ev Cinteotl Cipactli Cirapé
Cit-Bolon-Tum Citipati Citlalatonac Citlalicue
Ciucoatl Ciuteoteo Civatateo Cizin
Clermeil Cliff ogre Coatlicue Cochimetl
Cockatoo Coco macaque Cocomama Cogaz
Colel Cab Colleda Colop U Uichkin Compair Lapin
Con ma dau Con tram nu'o'c Conga Congo
Copacati Coquena Coyolxauhqui Coyopa
Coyote Cripple Boy Crnobog Crow
Crow Woman Cum Hau Cunawabi Cur
Curicaberis Cybele Da Dabbat
Dabog Dabur Daena Daevas
Dagan Dagon Dagwanoenyent Dahaka
Dahdahwat Dahhak Daibosatsu Daikoku
Dainichi Dainichi-Nyorai Daityas Dakini
Daksha Dakuwanga Dala Kadavara Daldal
Dalhan Dalnim Damballa Damgalnunna
Damkina Dan Petro Dan Wédo Danavas
Danu Dapie Darago Daramulum
Darana Dar-es-Salaam Dasim Dasyus
Datan Datin David Dawn Maiden
Dawud Dayang-Raca Da-yu Dazsbog
Debata Debata Idup Degei Deivai
Delilah Demiurge Demon Dena
Deng Deo Dev Dev
Deva Devaki Devana Devapurohita
Devasena Devata Devel Devequth
Devi Devil Dewi Gandari Dewi Nawang Sasih
Dewi Shri Dhakhan Dhanistha Dhanvantari
Dhara Dharani Dharma Dharti Mata
Dha-shi-zhi Dhatar Dhat-Badan Dhatri
Dhisana Dhol Dhruva Dhumavati
Dhumorna Dhumravati Dhurjati Diable Tonnere
Dibbuk Di-cang Diejuste Digawina
Di-guan Diiwica Dilga Dilmun
Dimste Dinclinsin Dipamkara Diti
Dives Diviriks Diwe Di-ya
Diyin dine Djambu Baros Djanggawul Djien
Djigonasee Djunkgao dMu Dogai
Do-gakw-ho-wad Dogoda Dohit Dohkwibuhch
Dola Domfe Dominions Domovikha
Domovoi Donar Dongo Dong-yue da-di
Dosojin Dou-mu Dozoku-shin Drac
Dragon Carp Dragon kings Drakulu Draupadi
Dream time Drestarata Drilbu Drug
Drug Drupadi Drvaspa Duc Ba
Dudugera du-l Halasa Dumuzi Dund
Dunne Enin Dur Durgha Dusares
Dvorovoi Dyaus Pita Dyaush Dyavaprthivi
Dybbuk Dzalarhons Dzee-dzee-bon-da Dzi dzat
Dziewanna Dziva Ea Eabani
Eagentci Eagle Eanna Earth Shaman
Ebeh Ebisu Ec Edinkira
Eeyeekalduk Egbere Egil Egres
Egungun-oya Ehecatl Ehlaumel Eingana
Eingsaun nat Eithinoha Eitumatupua Ekchuah
Ekera Ekhart Ekibiogami Ekkeko
Ekur El Eleazar Ele'ele
Eleipaio Elisha Eljon El-la
Ellel Ellil Elohim Elom
Elsh Elunirsa Ema Emese
Emma-o Empung Luminuut En En
Enbilulu Endukugga Enekpe En-kai
Enki Enkidu Enkimdu Enlil
Enmerkar Enmesarra Ennugi Enoch
Enore Enuma Elish Enumclaw Enushirgal
Epalirai Eranoranhan Erathipa Erda
Ereshkigal Eridan Eridu Erivorsh
Er-lang Erlik Erra Erzulie
Es Esaugetuh Emissee Eschetewuarha Eseasar
Esege Eshara Eshmun Eshu
Eskeri Estanatlehi Etana Etemmu
Eternal Tables, The Etugen Eugpamolak Manobo Evaki
Ewah Fa'atiu Face Faces of the Forests
Fakahotu Fall False Face medicine False Face sickness
False Faces Famine Fan-kui Faravai
Faro Fastachee Fati Fatit
Fei Lian Fene Feng Bo Feng Po-po
Feng-huang Fetu Fionn Firdaus
Fire Dogs First Creator First Scolder Fisaga
Flaming Teeth Flint Man Flower Woman Foot Stuck Child
Frashegird Fravashis Fu Xi Fudo
Fudo-Myoo Fue Fujin Fuku-Nyorai
Fukurokuju Fuls Funadama Funzi
Futsu-Nushi-no-Kami Fu-xing Gabija Gabjauja
Gabriel Gad Ga-gaah Ga-gorib
Gagqa Gaki Gakido Galeru
Gallu Galokwudzuwis Gama Gamab
Gama-Sennin Gandarewa Gandharvas Ganesha
Ganga Gangan Gao Yao Gaoh
Gao-kerena Garuda Gatutkaca Gauri
Gauri Gayomard Gayomart Gbadu
Gbekre Geezhigo-Quae Gekka-o Gendenwitha
Genetaska Geong Si Geranium Gergasis
Geser Gestinanna Gethsemane Geus-Tasan
Geus-Urvan Gewi Ghaddar Ghanan
Ghede Ghoul Gibil Gilgamesh
Gilgul Giltine Girru Gleti
Glispa Glooskap Gluscabi Gluskab
Gnowee gNyan Goe Gog and Magog
Gohone Golden Calf Golem Golgotha
Goliath Gong De Tian Gong Gong Gongen
Gora-Daileng Go-Shin Tai Gou Mang Gozu-Tenno
Gramadeveta Gran Maître Grand Bois Great Mother
Greenmantle Grendel Gruagach gShen-lha od-dkar
Gu Guan-di Guan-yin Gucumatz
Guguyni Gui Gui Xian Guinee
Gukumatz Gula Gul-ses Gun
Gun Gunab Gunuko Guriang Tunggal
Guru Minda Guta Gwau Meo Gyhldeptis
Ha Wen Neyu Habaek Habakkuk Hac Tao
Hacha'kyum Hachiman Hadad Hadur
Haemosu Haenim Hafaza Haggai
Hagondes Hahau-Whenua Hahgwehdaetgan Hahgwehdiyu
Haikili Ha'il Haimavati Hai-uri
Haiwa Hala Ham Ham
Hamatsa Han Han Xian-zi Hanan Pacha
Hananim Hand of God Hanish Haniyasu-hiko
Haniyasu-hime Hanlnim Hannahannas Hantceiitehi
Hantu Hantu Air Hanui-o-Rangi Hanuman
Hanwasuit Haokah Haole Haoma
Hapinunu Harihara Haronga Harun and Haruna
Hasameli Ha-Shem Hashim Hastseoltoi
Hastshehogan Hasu-Ko Hau Hau Marangi
Haubas Haukim Haumea Haumia Tiketike
Haurvatat Hauzu'l-Kausar Hawai'iki Hawenniyo
Hawiya Haya-Ji Hazzi He Bo
He Xian-gu Hebat Hedammu Heduru
Heitsi-eibib Heldenbuch Hell Hema
He'mask.as Heng O Heo Hwangok Hepit
Herovit Hetepet Hexateuch Heyoka
Hez-ur Hiawatha Hidari Hidesato
Hi'iaka Hiisi Hike Hikohohodemi
Hikuleo Hilal Himaphan Himavat
Hina Hina-Ika Hine-i-Tapeka Hine-Kau-Ataata
Hine-nui-te-Po Hine-Tu-Whenua Hinokagutsuchi Hiranyagarbha
Hiranyakashipu Hiro Hiruko Hisagita-imisi
Hisa-Me Hittavainen Hiyoyoa Hkum Yeng
Hmin Hoderi Hoja Hoji
Hokhokw Holle Honsi Honsu
Hoori Horagalles Hor-Hekenu Horon
Horus Hosea Hoso-no-Kami Hotei
Hotoke Hototogisu Hou Ji Hou Tu
Houris Hovatu-koiari How-chu How-too
Hu Hu Jing-de Huacas Huang Fei-hu
Huang-chuan Huang-di Huang-lao Huang-lao-jun
Hubal Hudaybiya Huehueteotl Hueyuku
Huh Huitaca Huitzilopochtli Huixtocihuatl
Hukm Hulda Humay Humbaba
Humban Hun Came Hun Hunahpu Hunab Ku
Hunahpu Hunahpu Utiu Hunahpu-Gutch Hunayn
Hungan Hunhau Hunsi Huntin
Hurakan Hutama Huve Hvar
Hvarekhshaeta Hwanin Hwanung Iao
Iarilo Ibbur Ibeorgun Iblis
Ibn Abbas Ibofanga Ich-kanava Icho
Ictinike Ida Ida-Ten Idisi
Idliragijenget Idzumo Iegad Ifa
Ife Igaluk Igigi Ignirtoq
Iha-Naga Ihu Ihy ikanam
Ikanam Ika-Roa Ika-Tere Ika-Zuchi-no-Kami
Iki-Ryo Iko Iktomi Il
Ila Ilaheva Ilham Ilik
Illapa Illiyun Illujanka Illuyankas
Ilmarinen Ilmatar Ilyap'a Imana
Imhotep Imilozi Imiut Imliq
Imra Imran Imset Ina
Ina-da Samadulo Höse Inanna Inapertwa Inari
Indar Indra Indra Indrani
Ininna Injil Inkosazana Inmutef
i'noGo tied Insal Al-Kamil In-Sha'-Allah Inti
Intulo Inua inyana Io
Ioskeha Ipalnemohuani Ipet Iqi-Balam
Ira Ira-Waru Irkalla Irmin
Irsirra Isaac Isaiah Isara
Isdes Isdustaya Isha Ishigaq
Ishkhara Ishkur Ishtar Ishullana
Ishum Ishvara Isis Isitoq
Islam Isma'il Isora Israfel
Issitoq Issunboshi Isten Isten
italugi itan Itchita Ite
Ittan-momen Itzamna Itzananohk`u Itzlacoliuhque
Itzli Iva I'wai Ix
Ix Chebel Yax Ixchel Ixmucane Ixpiyacoc
Ixtab Ixtlilton Ixzaluoh Iya
Iyatiku Izanagi Izanami Izdubar
Izha Iztaccihuatl Jabru Jachin
Jacob's Staff Jaganmatri Jagganath Jahannam
Jahnu Jalal Jalamdhara Jaljogini
Jamal Jamm Jamshid Jan
Janguli Japhet Jarih Jarovit
Jarri Jar-Sub Jebro Jeh
Jehova Jentayu Jessis Jesus Christ
Ji Nu Jian Di Jian Lao Jiang Shr
Jigami Jikininki Jikogu Jikoku
Jimmu Tenno Jin Jin Jia Jin Laut
Jingo Jingu Jinushigami Jizo
Jogah Joh Jok Jonah
Judi Juesaes Juichimen Julana
Julunggul Juma Jumala Junit
Juok Jurojin Jurupari Jyothisha
ka Kaaba Kaakwha Kaang
Ka-Ata-Killa Kabun Kachina Kadlu
Kaf Kafur Kagutsuchi Kaha'i
Ka-Ha-Si Kahoali Kahomovailahi Kahukura
Kaik Kai-n-Tiku-Aba Kaitabha Kaiti
Kaka-Guie Kakka Kaksisa Kalamainu
Kalevanpojat Kalfu kali Kali
Kalki Kalma Kalseru Kaluk
Kalunga Kama Kamado-gami Kamaitachi
Kamapua'a Kambel Kame Kami
Kamidana Kami-kaze Kami-Musubi Kaminari
Kamohoalii Kamrusepa Kamulla Kan
Kanae Kanaka Kanaloa Kana'ti and Selu
Kanayama-hiko Kanayama-hime Kane Kane Hoalani
Kanteletar Kan-u-Uayeyab Kan-xib-yui Kapila
Kapo Kapoonis Kappa Kapua
Kapuku Kara-han Karei Karihi
Karna Karora Karshipta Karttikeya
Kaswa, Al Kasyapa Kat Katanes
Kataragama Kathar Katib Kaukas
Kauket Kaulu Kavi Kavvana
Kawa-no-Kami Kawaya-no-kami Kayanuhime-no-Kami Kaze-no-Kami
Kazikamuntu Kebechet Kebechsenef Keelut
Keeta-skog Kee-wakw Kee-zos-en Kefitzat ha-Derekh
Kematef Kemwer Kenro-Ji-Jin Keremet
Khaldi Khalilu'llah Khandava Khannas
Khanzab Khara Khem Khentamenti
Khentimentiu Khepri Khetrpal Khnum
Kholomodumo Khonvoum Khors Khovaki
Khrut Khshathra vairya Khuld Khuluppu
Khusaw Khusor Ki Kianto
Kiavari Kidili Kigatilik Kihe-Wahine
Kiho Tumu Kihunai Ki'I Kiji
Kijo Kiku Ki-lin Kilioa
Kim Alji Kim Suro Kimat Kimpurushas
K'in Kingu Kinich Ahau Kinich Kakmo
Kinnara Kinnaras Kintaro Kirin
Kis Kishelemukong Kishi-Bojin Kishijoten
Kishimo-jin Kisin Kiskill-lilla Kitap Ngelmu
Kitsune-Tsuki Kiwa Kiwi Kiyo
Klieng Klu Kmukamch Kodomo-no-Inari
Koeulla Koevasi Koftim Ko-gok
Kohara Kojiki Kojin Koki
Kokopelli Kokutai Koliada Ko'lok
Komba Kombu Komoku Kompera
Kon Konaki Jiji Kondole Kongo
Kongo-Kai Ko-no-Hana Korawas Koriro
Korrawi Korware Koshchei Koshin
Kothar Kothar-u-Khasis Koya-no-Myoin Koya-Shonin
Kratim Kratti Krishna Krittikas
Kru Ksheera Sagara K-tsee Awa-soos Ku
Kuala Kuang Shi Kubera Kud
Kudia Kui Kui-xing Kujiga
Kuk Kukailimoku Kuku Lau Kukulcan
Kukunochi-no-Kami Kukuth Kul Kulitta
Kulla Kul-Uasa Kulullu Kumarbi
Kumiho Kumo Kumokomba Kumu-Honua
Kumulipo Kunapipi Kundrav Kuni-Toko-tachi
Kunitsu-Kami Kun-lun Kupala Kupua
Kur Kurabi Kura-Okami Kurke
Kurma Kuru Kurukulla Kuruma
Kusag Kushapatshikan Kusuh Kutjara
Kutkinnaku Kutni Kutya'I Kwaku Ananse
Kwakwakalanooksiwae Kwatee Kwatyat Kwekwaxa'we
Kwikumat Kwoth Kyoi Kyun-gai mGo-can
La'a Maomao Labbu Labuna Lada
Lagua Lahar Lahatala Lahurati
Lahut Laka Laki Tenangan Lakshmana
Lakshmi Lamastu Lamed Vav Lan Cai-he
Land Otter People Langsoir Lanij and Lewoj Lao-jun
Lascowiec Latura Laufakanaa Laukosargas
Laume Lawalawa Lawkapatim Legba
Lei-gong Lei-zi Lemba Lemminkâinen
Letao Levi Leviathan Lewalevu
Leyak Leza Lha Lhamo
Li Tie-guai Li T'ien Lidah Bumi Lijakwe
Liktanur Lilith Liluri Limba
Limbo Limdunanji Limu Ling Xiao Bao Dian
Lingadua Ling-bao tian-zong Ling-guan L'inglesou
Lioumere Lipsipsip Lisa Liu Bei
Ljeschi Ljubi Loa LoBeibat
Loco Logobola Lokapalas Loko
Lo-lol Lona Lone Man Long
Long cold Long Nose Longorik and Longolap Long-wang
Lono Loon Loon Medicine Loon Woman
Losi Lot Lotan Lowa
Lowalangi Lu Ban Lu Dong-bin Lua-o-Milu
Lubaale Lucian Lucifer Lucius
Lugeilan Lugulbanda Luk Luke
Lukman Luot-chozjik Lutin Lu-xing
Luz Ma Wang Maahes Maahiset
Ma'at Machanu Macuilxochitl Madderakka
Mademoiselle Charlotte Mae Maenam Maero
Mafdet Mafui'e Maganda Magatama
Magigi Magilum Mago Mah
Mahadeva Mahakala Mahameru Mahes
Mahiki Mahina Mahiuki Mahre and Mahrianag
Mahrem Mahucutah Mahu-ike Maihun
Mait' Carrefour Maîtresse Délai Maîtresse Hounon'gon Maitreya
Makara Makara Makea-Tutara Makemake
Makenaima Makunaima Makutu Malachi
Malahas Malakas Malakbel Malara
Malesk Malina Malinalxochi Malsumis
Mama Mama Allpa Mama Cocha Mama Oello
Mama Pacha Mama Quilla Maman Brigitte Mamaragan
Mambo Mami Mami Wata Ma-mian
Mamitu Mamlambo Mammetu Mammetum
Mammon Mammuyon Man in moon Mana
Manabozho Manaf Managilunod Managtanem
Manakib Manananggal Manasa-Devi Manat
Manawa Manco Capac Mandah Mandarangan
Maneki neko Manetuwak Mangala Bulan Mangar-kunjer-kunja
Mango-Roa-I-Ata Manitou Mannegishi Mannumbo
Mantchu-Muchangu Manu Manu Manuk Patiaraja
Mao Maohi Mara Marama
Marassa Marassa Jumeaux Marawa Marduk
Mareikura Mari Marid Marikoriko
Marinette Marisha-Ten Mar'rallang Marré
Marruni Marttanda Martu Maru
Marunogere Maruts Masaya Masewi
Mashyane Mashye Maski-mon-gwe-zo-os Massassi
Massim-Biambe Mastema Master of Life Mata Upola
Matabiri Matagaigai Matagi Matariki
Matarisvan Mat-gwas Mati Syra Zemlya Matshishkapeu
Matsya Matteh Matuku Matuku Tago Tago
Matuu Maui Mauri Mavutsinim
Mawu Mayahuel Mayon Mazikeen
Mbaba Mwana Waresa Mbere Mbir Mbomba
Mbon Mbotumbo M-da-weelh-ak Medeine
Medeoulin Medicine Meek-moos-ak Mehen
Mehturt Meiden Mejenkwaar Mekala
Melchizedek Memra Men Mendes
Menehune Menhit Menog Men-shen
Menthu Mentu Merau Meret
Meretseger Meri Merodach Merodach
Merong Maha Wangsa Mert-sekert Meru Mesede
Mesenet Mesha Meskhenet Metamorphoses
Metamorphosis Magic Metatron Meteinuwak Methuselah
Metsänneitsyt Metztli Mextli Micah
Micaiah Michabo Michael Mictanteot
Mictlan Mictlantecuhtli Mihos Mihr
Mikchich Mikula Mikumwesu milk
Milk Milkom Milu Min
Minaksi Minawara Minga Bengale Miro
Miru Misca Misogi-Kyo Misor
Miss Nancy Mithra Mitnal Mitra
Mixcoatl Miyazu-Hime Mizuhame-no-Mikoto Mnewer
Mobad Mochi Mo-hi-hai Mokele-Mbembe
Moko Mokoi Mokos Moksa
Moloch Mombu Momotaro Mon
Mongwi Kachinum Monju-Bosatsu Monkey Monkey King
Mool-sem Moor-Slayer Moos-bas Mordecai
Moses Moshanyana Mot Motho and Mungo
Motikitik Motoro Mounanchou Mountain Man
Mountain Woman M-ska-gwe-demoos Mu Gong Mucalinda
Mugasa Mugasha Muhammad Muhyi
Muireartach Mujinto Mu-king Mukuru
Mulac Mulajadi na Bolon Mulitta Mulo
Mulungu Muma Padurii Mummu Mura-mura
Murimuria Mursal Murukan Musisi
Musso Koroni Musubi-no-Kami Mut Muut
Muwakkil Muyingwa Myesyats Mylitta
Na Atibu Na Kika Naaki Nabangatai
Nabu Nacon Nadab Nagas
Nagi Tanka Nago Shango Nagual Nahhundi
Nahi Nahual Nahum Nai-no-Kami
Nainuema Nairyosangha Najade Nakaa
Nakatsu-Hime Naka-Yama-Tsu-Mi Nakisawame Nakshatras
Nala Namaka Namita Nammu
Namrud Namtar Namuci Namus
Nana Buluku Nanabozho Nanaja Nanauatzin
Nana-Ula Nandi Nandini Nanghaithya
Nang-lha Naniumlap Nankil'slas Nanna
Nannar Nanom-keea-po-da Nanook Nanshe
Napir Napkirály Narada Narada
Naraka Narasinha Nareau Nari
Naryana Nasnas Nasr Natha
Nathan Nats Naum Naunet
Nav N-dam-keno-wet Ndara Ndauthina
Ndengei Nebaioth Neb-er-tcher Nebtuu
Nebuchadnezzar Nebuchadrezzar Nechmetawaj Nechushtan
Nee-ben Neferhor Nefertem Negafook
Negoogunogumbar Nehalennia Neheb-ka Nehebkau
Nehemiah Nei Marena Nei Teuke Nei Tituaabine
Neiterogob Neith Nekhbet Nenun
Neper Nephilim Nephthys Nepit
Nergal Neriosang Nerrivik Nerthus
Nesr Neter-khertet Neti Nevinbimbaau
Nga Nga-Atua Ngai Nganaoa
Nganga Ngariman Ngaro Ngaru
Ngendi Ngurai Nha-San Nianque
Nibhaz Nidaba Nikkal Nikko-Bosatsu
Nikobo Niman Nimush Nin
Nin-agal Ninatta Ninawa Ninazu
Nindukugga Ninedinna ning wot Ningal
Ningirsu Nin-gishzida Ningizzida Ninhursag
Ninib Ninigi-no-mikoto Nin'insina Ninkarrak
Ninkasi Ninki Ninlil Ninmah
Ninshar Ninsun Ninsusinak Nintu
Nintur Ninurta Ninyo Nioo
Nirah Nirriti Nirrta Nirrti
Nirvana Nisaba Nisaba Nishanu
Nisir Nisroch Niu Wang Niu-you
Nkosi Yama'kosi Nogomain Nohochacyum Nokomis
Nominosukune Nommo Nomoi Nonadey
Nootaikok Nu Nuba Nudimmud
Nuga Nü-gua Nujalik Nukatem
Num Numi-Torem Nun Nunet
Nunne Chaha Nur Nurikabe Nusku
Nusku Nut Nu'u Nyalitch
Nyame Nyia Nyorai Nyrckes
Nyungu Nzame Nzeanzo Oa Rove
O-Ana-Mochi Oanomochi Obadiah Obassi
Obatala Obrigwabibikwa Ochun Odel
Odqan Odudua Odzihozo Ogdoad
Ogoun Oho-Kuninushi Ohonamochi Oho-Yama
Ohtas Ojin Tenno Oki Okuni-Nushi
Old Man Olelbis Olifat Olmai
Oloddumare Olofat Olokun Olorun
Omacatl Ombwiri Omecihuatl Ometecuhtli
Ometeotl Omitsunu On Onamuji
Onatha One Tail of Clear Hair Oni Ono
Ono pacakoti Oodzee-hozo Oonawieh Unggi Opochtli
Ora Ordog Orisha Ormazd
Oro Oromila Orotal Orungan
Orunmila Oryonggeo Oshun Oshunmare
Osiris Ostara Ot Otohime
Ouroboros Ovinnik Owatatsumi Owl Woman
Oxocé Oya Oyamatsumi Oya-Shima-Guni
Pa Pa Pandir Pa-cha Pachacamac
Pachet Pa-don-gi-ak Pah Pahuanui
Paikea Pajainen Pajonn Pak Hyeokkeose
Paka'a Pakku Pakrokitat Pakua
Paliuli Palk Palulop Pamba
Pan Jin Lian Pana Pane na Bolon Pan-gu
Pani Paoro Papa Papa Legba
Papare Papaya Papsukkel Para
Parasurama Pariacaca Paricia Parvati
Patal Patecatl Pattini Paynal
Pazuzu Pe-ben Pekko Pele
Pellervoinen Pemtemweha Peng-lai Peng-zi
Pentatecu Pere Perendi Pereplut
Peris Perit Perkunas Perun
Peshdadians Petbe Petesuchos Petro
Pia Piasa Picullus Picvucin
Pidray Pie Pigobara Pikváhahirak
Pili Pim-skwa-wagen-owad Pincoya Pinga
Pinikir Pishashas Pitru-ganas Pitua
Pla-ween-noo Pok-wejee-men Polevik Polovoi
Pomola Pon Pontianak Popocatepetl
Porenutius Porevit Porpoise Girl Potipher
Pot-tilter Poukai Pradyumna Prairie Falcon
Prajapati Prajapatis Preas Eyn Preas Eyssaur
Preas Prohm Prende Preta Prisni
Prthivi P-skig-demo-os P-son-en Ptah
Ptah-Seker-Osiris Ptehehincalasanwin Pua Tu Tahi Puchan
Pue di Songi Pue m Palaburu Pueulla Pugu
Pukatala Pukkeenegak Puna Punchau
Pundjel Puntan Puranas Purgine-Pas
Purusha Pusa Pusait Pusat Tasik
Pushan Putana Puteri Gunung Ledang Putuperereko
Puzur-Amurri Pyramus and Thisbe Qada Qadesh
Qalam Qamaits Qandisa Qat
Qaynan Qeb Qetesh Qi Gu-niang
Qingu Qin-shu-pao Qiqirn Qisas Al-Anbiya
Qormusta Quades Quamta Quaoar
Quetzalcoatl Qumu Qusur Qutb
Qutrub Quzah Ra Raa
Raashiel Rabbi Loeb Rabbu'l-Nau' Radogast
Raeit Ngabal Rahim Rahkoi Rahman
Rahu Raicho Raiden Raijin
Raiju Raiko Raitaro Raj
Raja Angin Raja Hantuen Raja Indainda Raja Jinn Peri
Raja Naga Raka Raka Maomao Rakan
Raksasa Raksha Raktavija Raluvimbha
Ram Rama Ramachandra Ramman
Ramman Ran-deng Rangi Raphael
Raphael Rapithwin Rarog Rashnu
Rasoalao Rat Rata Rati
Ratri Rat-taui Ratu-mai-mbula Rauni
Ravana Raven Ravi Ravola
Raw Gums Razana Razanajanahary Re
Rediyas Re'em Rehua Reiko
Reitia Renenet Renenutet Renpet
Rephaim Reret Resef Reshef
Reshep Resheph Rhibus Rig Veda
Riiki and Rigi Riiti Rimenanwe Rimmon
Rimu Rishis Risis Rock-Sene
Rod Rohe Rongelap and Rongerik Rongo
Rongo-Mai Ro'o Roua rta
Ru Ru Shou Rua Rua-Tapu
Ruau-Moko Ruda Rudra Rugiviet
Ruhu'llah Ruki Rukmini Rundas
Rustam Ruti Ryangombe Ryo-Wo
Ryugu Ryujin Saa saba-leippya
Sa-bdag Saci Sadhyas Sadrapa
Sae-no-Kami Safura Sagamores Sagapgia
Sahaba Sai Sa'ir Saitan
Sajigor Sakhmet Sakina Sakpata
Salbatanu Salman Salsabil Sama Veda
Samael Sambara Sambo-kojin Samebito
Sampo Sampsa Samseong myth Samson
Samuel Samulayo Samuqan Sanam
Sangrail Sangs-po bum-khri San-guan San-huang
Sani Sanopi San-qing Sanshilyong
San-xing Saps Saqar Sara
Sarama Sarandib Saranyu Sarasvati
Sarruma Sarudahiko Sarutahiko Ohkami Satan
Sataran Satet Sati Satis
Saurva Sava Savali Savitar
Savitr Savitri Savriti Sayfu'llah
Sayhun Saynday Sayyid Scorpion Men
Scotia Se Seb Sebek
Sechat-Hor Sed Sedna See-gwen
Seides Seker Selardi Sengen
Sennin Sentait Seok T'alhae Sepa
Septu Seraphim Serapis Seri and Hurri
Serket Serq Sesha Seshat
Sesmu Setebos Seth Shabah
Shabbat Hamalka Shachihoko Shadrapha Shafan
Shahar Shai Shait Shaka
Shakpana Shakti Shakuru Shamash
Shango Shapash Sharuma Shasti
Shaubarak She-di Shekhina Shem
Shen Yi Shen-nung Shesanaga Shezbeth
Shi Tenno Shichi Fujukin Shihab Shiko-Me
Shinda Shine-To-Be Shine-Tsu-Hiko Shiq
Shi-Ryo Shitatera-Hime Shiti Dama Shitta
Shiva Shka-Bavas Shki-Pas Shoden
Shodo Shonin Shojo Shoki Sholmos
Shotoku Shou-lao Shou-xing Shu
Shu'ayb Shudkher Shui-guan Shullat
Shulpae Shun Shurdi Shutu
Si Sia Siats Sibzianna
Sida Siddhas Siddiq Sidrat-Al-Muntaha
Siduri Siga Sihai Siho I Salo
Sijil Sijjin Si'la Sila
Silewe Nazarate Silili Siliniez Simargl
Simbi Si-ming Simon Simurgh
Sin Sin Sina Sinaa
Singa Singbonga Sinlap Sint Holo
Sipe Gyalmo Sirao Sirat al-Mustaqim Sisiutl
Sita Siu Yan Siwini Skambha
Skan Skanda Smaj Snallygaster
Sno-Nysoa Sobek Sobo Sogbo
Soku-no-Kumi Solanang Solang Solmundae Halmang
Solomon Soma Somtus Song Di
Song-zi niang-niang Sons of Horus Sopdet Sopedu
Sophia Soripada Sosondowah Sousson-Pannan
Spandaramat Spenta Mainyu Spider Spider Woman
Spor Sraosa Sri Sri
Srin-po Srosh Ssu Ling Sta-au
Stonecoats Stribog Striges Sudharma
Sudjaje Sudum Sugriva Suijin
Suitengu Sukra Sukuna-Biko Sulayman
Sulpa'e Sumba Sun Hou-zi Sun Wu-Kung
Sungrey Sun-pi Sunuwavi Suparsha
Supay Surial Surma Surya
Susanowa Sut Suwa' Suyolak
Svaha Svantetit Svarga Svarog
Svarozic Svatog Svetovit Svyatogor
Syen Szélkirály Ta Tanka Ta'aroa
Taautos Tabaldak Tabor Tabut
Tadaklan Tagaloa Tagaro Taghut
Taha Tahekeroa Tahiti Tokerau Taime
Taiowa Taishaku Tai-sui-xing Tai-yi
Tai-yue da-di Takamagahara Takami-Musubi Takara-Bune
Takemikadzuchi Taki-Tsu-Hiko Ta'lab Talay
Talocan Talut Tama Nui-Te-Ra Tamagostad
Tamapo Taming Sari Tammuz Tamon
Tanaoa Tane Tane-Mahuta Tanen
Tang Tangaloa Tangara Tangaroa
Tangotango Tangun Tanjim Tans
Tao-de tian-zong Taonoui Taouris Tapairu
Tapio Taqwus Tara Tara
Taraka Taranaich Taranga Tarhuhyiawahku
Tarhun Taringa Nui Tarogolo Tarquiup Inua
Tasenetnofret Ta-tchesert Tate Tatenen
Tatsuta-hime Taurt Tau-Titi Tawa
Tawals Taweret Tawhaki Tawhiri
Tawiscara Tawrah Tawrich Ta'xet
Tchue Tcisaki Te Ikawai Te Nao
Te Rongo Te Toi-o-nga-Rangi Tecciztecatl Tecumbalam
Tefnut Tekkeitsertok Telavel Tele
Teljavelik Telmekic Ten Tenenit
Tengri Ten-gu Tenjin Tennin
Tenshi Teoyaomqui Tepeu Tepeyollotl
Terafim Terah Tere Terlain
Teshub TeSub Teteoinnan Tetrateuch
Tevake Tezcatlipoca Thabet Thab-lha
Theispas Thisbe Thomagata Thoth
Th'uban Thunaupa Thunder Bird Ti Jean Quinto
Ti Malice Tia Tiamat Tian Hou
Tian-di Tian-guan Tian-long Tian-mu
Tian-wang Tian-zong Tiermes Tihtipihin
Ti-Jean Petro Tikdoshe Tiki Tiki
Tikokura Tingang Tinirau Tipua
Tir Tir Tirawa Tistrya
Titlacauan tjetajat Tjilpa Tjinimin
Tlacolotl Tlahuixcalpantecuhtli Tlaloc Tlaltecuhtli
Tlazolteotl Tlillan-Tlapallan Tloquenahuaque To Kabinana and To Karvuvu
Tobolar Todote Toeris Tohil
Tokebi Tokoyo-no-Kuni Tokpela Tokutaro-San
Toletoleben Tol-Harubang Tomam Tomor
Tonacacihuatl Tonacatecuhtli Tonantzin Tonatiuh
Tonenili Tonga Tonga-Hiti Toniwha
Tool-ba Tootega Tophet Topielce
Tore Torem Tork Tornarsuk
Torngasoak Toru Toyo-Uke-Bime Toyouke-Omikami
Trauco Triglav Trimurti Trinity
Trisiras Troian Tsa-tsamolee-as Tsichtinako
Tsi-noo Tsohanoai Tsonoqwa Tsui
Tsuki-Yumi Tsul 'Kalu Tsuyu Tu
Tu Matauenga Tuat Tua-Uo-Loa Tucupacha
Tu-di Tui Delai Gau Tukma Tulugaak
Tumas Tumudurere Tuna Tung-ak
Tuniai Tuonela Tupan Turehu
Turquoise Boy Turris Tursas Tushnamatay
Tu-Te-Wehiwehi Tutu Tuwa Tuwale
Tvashtri Txamsem Tzakol Tzitzimime
Tzununiha Uazzale Uba Ubara-Tutu
Ubelluris Uca Pacha Uchtsiti Udó
Uekera Uentshukumishiteu Ueuecoyotl Ufir
Uga-Jin Uga-no-Mitama Ugar Ugly Way
Ugni Uhepono Uhlakanyana Uira
Uj Ujigami Ukemochi Ukoback
uKqili Ukupanipo Ul Ulanji
Ulgan Ullikummi Ulupoka Uma
Umay Ummanu Umunmutamkag Umunmutamku
Umvelinqangi Underwater Panthers Underworld Uneg
Ungnyo Ungud Unhcegila Unipkaat
Unktomi Unkulunkulu Un-nefer Untunktahe
Unumbotte Unut Unvelingange Unwaba
Upanishads Upelluri Upolu Upulevo
Upulvan Uqba Uranga-o-Te-Ra Urashima Taro
Urcaguary Urian Uriel Urmen
Uroda Urshanabi Urthekau Uruk
Urutonga Urvasi Ushas Usma
Utea Uthlanga Utnapishtim Uttu
Utu Uwashil Uwibami Uzume
Vach Vahagn Vaimanika Vaitere
Vajrasattva Vamana Vanadevatas Vanant
Varaha Varima-te-Takere Varpulis Varuna
Vasishtha Vassagijik Vasudeva Vasuki
Vasus Vata Vatea Vayu
Vedas Veda-vyasa Vele Veles
Vellamo Velnias Verbti Verethragna
Vesna Vichama Vidyadharas Vila
Ville au Camp Vily Virabhadra Viracocha
Viraj Virtues Vis Vishap
Vishnu Visvakarma Vitu Vivasvat
Vizetot Vizi-ember Vizimba Vlkodlaks
Vodu Vohu Manah Volla Voltan
Voodoo Votan Vouruskasha Vritra
Vucub Caquix Vyantara Wabosso Wabun
Wadd Wad-zoos-en Wahie Loa Wahie Roa
Wahy Waiora Waitiri Wak
Wakahiru-me Wakan Wakanda Wakea
Wakinyan Wakoo Walafar Walgino
Walichu Walo Walutahanga Wan niomi
Wana-games-ak Wanagi Wananga Wananikwe
Wang Mu niang-niang Wantu-su Wapaq Waralden Olmai
Waramurungundi Warohunugamwanehaor Wasilla
Wassan-mon-ganeehla-ak Wasterzhi Waswas
Wata-tsu-mi Watavinewa Watcher Water babies
Wati-kutjara Watu Gunang Waukheon Wawalag
Wa-won-dee-a-megw Wayland We-duo We-gyet
Wei Cheng Wei-tuo Wele Wemicus
Wen-chang Wendigo Wen-shu Wentshukumishiteu
Wepwawet Were Whatu Where-Ao
Whiro White Buffalo Calf Woman Whope
Wi Wicahmunga Wichama Wihmunga
Wisagatcak Wishpoosh Witiko Witsanukam
Wiyot Wodan Wollunqua Wondjina
Wosyet Woto Wovoka Wu Guan
Wu Yo Wu-di Wulbari Wuluwaid
Wunekau Wuragag Wurake Wuriupranili
Wurrunna Wurukatte Wurusemu Wuya
Xaman Ek Xecotcovach Xelas Xevioso
Xewioso Xi Shi Xi Wang-mu Xian
Xibalba Xilonen Xipe Totec Xiuhcoatl
Xiuhtecuhtli Xmucane and Xpiayoc Xochipilli Xochiquetzal
Xocotl Xolotl Yaaru Yabune
Yacatecuhtli Yaghuth Yahweh Yahya
Yajur Veda Yaksha Yakushi-nyorai Yalafath
Yaluk Yam Yama Yama
Yama Yama Yama-no-kami Yamatanka
Yamato Yamato Take Yama-Uba Yambe-akka
Yami Yamm Yam-Nahar Yanauluha
Yang Jing Yangeulla Yangombi Yan-lo
Yansan Yao Ya-o-gah Yao-shi
Yaotl Yara-ma-yha-who Yarhibol Yarovit
Yasha Yasht Ya'uq Yazata
Yehl Yehwe Zogbanu Yekum Yemaja
Yen-di Yeta Yezidi Yhi
Yima Yimantuwingyai Yi-Ti Ynakhsyt
Yo Yofune-Nushi Yogini Yokwe
Yolkai Estasan Yomi Yomi-no-kuni Yondung Halmoni
Yongwang Yoni Yorimasa Yorka
Yosei Yoshitsune Yosho Yoskeha
Yryn-ai-tojon Yu Yuan-shi tian-zong Yuga
Yu-huang Yuhwa Yuki-Onna Yum Caax
Yu-qiang Yu-ren Yurlungur Yurugy
Yuwipi Zababa Zadkiel Zagam
Zaim Zakar Zal Zalambur
Zaltys Zam Zam-Armatay Zamzummims
Zanahary Zanjabil Zao-jun Zappu
Zaqar Zaramama Zarathustra Zarich
Zarpanit Zauba'a Zem Zem Zemepates
Zemininkas Zempat Zemyna Zend-Avesta
Zenenet Zepar Zephaniah Zhang Fei
Zhang Guo-lao Zhang Xian Zhi Song-zi Zhi-ni
Zhong kui Zhong Li-quan Zhong-kui Zhu Rong
Zhu-yi Zin Zinkibaru Zinsu and Zinsi
Zipacna Zisutra Ziusudra Zivena
Zi-yu Zocho Zonget Zorya
Zotz Zroya Zu Zurah
Zurvan Zvezda Dennitsa Zvezda Vechernyaya
walksalone who does hope Malcolm enjoys playing the dunce, he does such a
stellar job of it.
--
Archbishop: A Christian Eccalastic of a rank superior to that attained by
Christ.
H.L. Mencken
RetroProphet
>> ......and the rest of the world? The millions of Asians,
>> all of the Africans, the Indians on the Continent that later
>> would become the USA. Why were all these missing out on the
>> works of this god and his so called son?
>>
>> Because it was all a localised myth maybe?
>>
>That could count as a common argument. What about those who
>know nothing of Christ?
>
>However Jesus was aware that He was only speaking to a very small
>sub-section of the human population, in Palestine. His theory was
>that the good news was being offered first to the Jews, as the
>chosen people, and only afterwards would it be offered to the
>gentiles (we have to be careful here, because we know there was
>a dispute between Peter and Paul on the status of gentile
>Christians, and everythig written in the gospels will be
>written in the light of this).
>
>Read the parable of the mustard seed. Jesus started out small,
>with two men (John and Jesus) going round preaching. However they
>rapidly grew to a massive movement.
Every Christian I have ever discussed theology with has maintained
that Jesus was sent as part of God's Plan to "redeem" Mankind.
All of Mankind, they all insist.
I have no problem with this premise, save for the fact that if
this was truly a plan God had, it is inexplicable that such an
important one was carried out in such a "small potatoes" fashion.
It is also inexplicable that such important "Good News" was
entrusted by God to be accurately transmitted in such a common
human fashion; that is, via human-written word and human-spoken word,
and that's it. Oh, and via "miracles" which never leave any
permanent and indisputable proof of actual occurrence, but do
leave "evidence" in the form of, you guessed it, human-written word
and human-spoken word.
This decidedly non-supernatural evidence component of what is alleged
to be a decidedly supernatural planned event is consistent with what
humans were capable of coming up with at the time -- in fact it is
merely the same way religious theology had been presented for thousands
of years before -- but it truly falls short of what an omnipotent God
should be capable of and more importantly, should WANT to do, for the
sake of fairness.
Yes, fairness.
To avoid communication problems, foreseen and unforeseen.
Well, in His case, foreseen only, I suppose.
But, can you really make that case?
Are you saying that God's Plan was for His Good News to start out
small and then immediately splinter and mutate into countless
interpretive theological variants, spreading hatred and war as
it went, and becoming such an unagreed-upon thing that it spawned
first a powerful political entity that proclaimed Jesus as God,
and then a counter-religion in response to its warring nature,
but that still acknowledged Jesus as a teacher?
Not to mention the, shall we say, questionable methods used to
spread the "Good News" to those who might have missed out on
front-row seats by many miles and/or years.
With Good News like this, who needs Bad News?
Additionally, the Good News rapidly and permanently became such
an unagreed-upon thing that even among believers you'll find
vastly different "interpretations" of Jesus's own words.
This is truly inexplicable: God's plan to ensconce His Plan only
in the written and spoken word is clearly proven foolish by the
mere fact that a de facto preterist/futurist schism even exists,
let alone that it exists because scriptural accounts of what
God's Son said and meant cannot be agreed upon BY BELIEVERS!
Sounds like really poor Planning for the Good News to be so
susceptible to human interpretation, willful and unintended
meddling and downright evil and misleading misuse in the
pursuit of power, wealth and empire.
And yet, this is what has happened.
Two thousand years have passed and billions of people must have
been guilty of mis-characterizing God's Word, many undoubtedly
due to no fault or ill-will on their part, and yet, still, no
definitive clarification has yet been forthcoming from God.
And only God CAN do this. All humans can do and have ever done
is to assume the mantle of God's Mouthpiece, while denouncing
those who disagree as being wrong, or worse.
This state of affairs calls into question the very fairness of
such a Plan scheme, which calls upon each human to make a decision
of monumental importance based upon only quite reasonably questionable
evidence that such a Plan even exists, let alone what it exactly
entails.
It doesn't matter whether the Good News was clear to a handful
of guys back then. It is obviously not clear now. Not even close.
Yet, you are proud of your "massive movement" and I know you
intended to imply that this is a proof-point for its correctness.
Yes, it is impressive how Christianity spread all around the world.
But only on the surface. Many man-made constructs have done this.
A God-made construct should have been much more impressive,
definitive, and I repeat again, fair. In fact the exact opposite
of what is actually observed to have occurred.
You can play word and semantic interpretive games all you like with
scriptures, but the fact that believers of all three Bible-inspired
religions must do so, with hands oftentimes at each other's throats,
during two thousand years of constantly growing scriptural ambiguity
and disagreement sans any meaningful clarification from a supposed
God of Peace who supposedly put forth a Plan for all of our salvation,
can only draw one to the conclusion that there is something very
wrong with this picture.
Humans will eventually and definitively figure out precisely what
is wrong. And it won't be the first time that we have had to revise
our concept of what is true about the past.
Whether we will be able to free ourselves from the detrimental
effects that Biblical belief systems and their off-shoots have had
on civilization is another question.
That turns on whether we have the ability to jettison reliance
on blind faith in honestly seeking the truth regarding theological
questions, as we already have done in virtually every other field
of inquiry.
And with excellent results, I might add.
Now, there's a plan...
RetroProphet
>
>>you mean one of these gods?.......
>>
>Nah, unless you have almighty God in the list, none of these ever existed.
"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
Philip K. Dick
Cindy
"Malcolm" <mal...@55bank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cei9kl$q87$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "bob young" <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote
(we have to be careful
> here, because we know there was a dispute between Peter and Paul on the
> status of gentile Christians, and everythign written in the gospels will
> be
> written in the light of this).
> Read the parable of the mustard seed. Jesus started out small, with two
> men
> (John and Jesus) going round preaching. However they rapidly grew to a
> massive movement.
You would think that a God could inspire people to write his book in an
inerrant manner.
>
>
Cindy
Conclusion, entire story myth! :)
RetroProphet
>I personally profess, seeing as Jesus will be the one to meet
>us at the gate and then stand in judgment of us, that God decided
>that Jesus would experience the same exposure to life and it's
>events as all mankind does yet never said "yes" to the evil things
>the way we human do.
>
>You see, we are not judged by God, my feelings, for what we do
>as for why we do it. Therefore, to elect to turn from the things
>of evil is what we are called out to do.
>
>Jesus experienced the same as us and said "no". We are judged
>for our lack of desire to not say "yes".
>
>It is thru love of God and our positive response to follow him
>that we turn away from evil.
>
>
>duke
It's so wonderful to watch folks whose entire worldview
rests on blind faith trying to utilize logical reasoning
to make sense of their mythos, as if they would take
reasoning seriously at all if push came to shove.
Jesus could not possibly experience the same exposure to
life as mortal humans because he seemed to know for certain
that God existed.
He did not need to take this on faith,
but we are required to.
If we had the same definitive knowledge as Jesus,
and none of us does, it might be as simple for us
to behave as he did.
The test of faith in God's existence for us is an unfair one,
and is not a test that Jesus ever had to face.
Nor Satan for that matter...
For God to provide "proof" of His existence, or Jesus' status
as His Son, in what are by now very ancient and highly-suspect
scriptures, "proof" that is so unconvincing that faith is
required to believe it, is just not reasonable.
Unless, you're in the religion-peddling business.
If I am judged by God for the "why" of why I doubt
ancient scriptures support His existence, I am certain
that He will understand why I do.
It would be more a test of His reasonableness
than of mine.
Or, there is no test at all.
AnonMoos
> Why is this cross-posted to alt.atheism?
Because "hunte...@yahoo.com (Truth Hunter)" -- a Muslim who is lyingly
pretending to be a Jew -- insists on cross-posting all his pointless threads
to that group.
--
Hamas motto: لا إله لهم
إلا الموت،
«حماس» رسول
الموت (The death-worshipping cult)
Murderers are not martyrs! http://symbolictruth.fateback.com/
duke
>You quote JC as though you were there! The stories surrounding him were
>written 2.4 generations after the so called fact.
Uh, nooooo. First, there were many that did participate and were eye witnesses, many of
whom may very well have recorded what they witnessed..
Secondly, The formal pencil to paper documents called the Gospels according to Matthew,
Mark, Luke and John was written anywhere's from 8 to 160 years later, although the 8 was
more likely 32.
> How accurate do you imagine
>these stories are ???!!!!
Very accurate for the method. You're foolishly trying to make the point that until the
videocam was invented that all facts are suspect.
> Passed from word to mouth until they were
>eventually written down, seconth, third, fourth hand! Changed in essence each
>time the story was passed on.
That's why there were told in parable style.
duke
>Nowhere in the bible does Jesus ever once mention
>homosexuality, never mind condemn it.
But God did, in the story of Sodom and Gohmorrah. What do you think "wanting to get to
'know them' means"?
>The only way "Christians" can condemn homosexuality is by
>cherry picking certain biblical passages, even as they dismiss
>others (in the exact same book) as worthless filler.
Romans 1
27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed
with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in
themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
Malcolm
"JTEM" <gymr...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>
> Nowhere in the bible does Jesus ever once mention
> homosexuality, never mind condemn it.
>
>
> The one single biblical passage that -- as translated -- appears
> to condemn homosexuality is found in Leviticus. Leviticus
> prohibits the eating of pork (ham, bacon, pork sausages) and
> shell fish, amongst other things. Even fundamentalists -- for all
> their claims of a "Literal" interpretation of the bible -- do not
> interpret Leviticus literally. In fact, they dismiss it as a body
> of cultural laws.... at least in all cases other than homosexuality.
>
> The only way "Christians" can condemn homosexuality is by
> cherry picking certain biblical passages, even as they dismiss
> others (in the exact same book) as worthless filler.
>
which indicate that homosexuality was stigmatised by the people for whom the
book of Genesis was written.
It is also quite clear that it was stigmatised by Jews in New Testament
times. The obvious bit of evidence is that St Paul seems to take it for
granted that it is to be discouraged, though there is probably more.
If you are the sort of literalist who believes that the King James version
was good enough for Jesus, that the bible must be read without any
supporting scholarly materials whatsoever, and that tradition accounts for
nothing, then you might have a hard time justifying condemning
homosexuality. However for anyone else there isn't much problem.
Malcolm
"walksalone" <sp...@fcc.gov> wrote
>
> Which three gods on the following list are you going to provide evidence
> for, evidence that they were false gods?
>
>
Better warn you here. Personally I think the list of gods is a bit of fun,
but you might well irritate other readers, and there's a very good case that
it constitutes abuse that could lead to a complaint to the ISP.
duke
That's why God never goes away, but the other names have disappeared from sight.
Malcolm
"Cindy" <ci...@nospam.com>
>
> > Well the latest likely date for the composition of John's gospel, the
last
> > to be written, is 120AD. So if John wrote in AD120 a man who was a
> > teenager in AD33 would then be a hundred years old. So what's your
>
> Conclusion, entire story myth! :)
>
You might like to consider that we don't know exactly where the gospel was
written, but it probably wasn't in Palestine. You could also consider that
there wasn't a historical / journalistic / scholarly apparatus of the type
we have today.
Cindy
"Shan" <shank...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:71bd538c.04080...@posting.google.com...
> "Malcolm" <mal...@55bank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:<cei9kl$q87$1...@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>...
>> "bob young" <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote
>> >
>> > ......and the rest of the world? The millions of Asians, all of the
>> Africans,
>> > the Indians on the Continent that later would become the USA. Why were
>> all
>> > these missing out on the works of this god and his so called son?
>> >
>> > Because it was all a localised myth maybe?
>> >
>> That could count as a common argument. What about those who know nothing
>> of
>> Christ?
>> However Jesus was aware that He was only speaking to a very small
>> sub-section of the human population, in Palestine. His theory was that
>> the
>> good news was being offered first to the Jews, as the chosen people, and
>
> The Jews were "chosen" people to be the priesthood to the whole world
> but they misunderstood that and kept their religion to themselves
> dispising others and considering them less than human -- an Egyptian
> concept that they must have learned when they were slaves in Egypt
> (all non-Egyptians were sub-human).
First of all you will have to show that they really were slaves in Egypt.
Malcolm
"RetroProphet" <RetroProp...@newsguy.com> wrote
>
> Every Christian I have ever discussed theology with has maintained
> that Jesus was sent as part of God's Plan to "redeem" Mankind.
>
> All of Mankind, they all insist.
>
>
> I have no problem with this premise, save for the fact that if
> this was truly a plan God had, it is inexplicable that such an
> important one was carried out in such a "small potatoes" fashion.
>
wnated to redeem them?
>
> It is also inexplicable that such important "Good News" was
> entrusted by God to be accurately transmitted in such a common
> human fashion; that is, via human-written word and human-spoken word,
> and that's it. Oh, and via "miracles" which never leave any
> permanent and indisputable proof of actual occurrence, but do
> leave "evidence" in the form of, you guessed it, human-written word
> and human-spoken word.
>
>
> This decidedly non-supernatural evidence component of what is alleged
> to be a decidedly supernatural planned event is consistent with what
> humans were capable of coming up with at the time -- in fact it is
> merely the same way religious theology had been presented for thousands
> of years before -- but it truly falls short of what an omnipotent God
> should be capable of and more importantly, should WANT to do, for the
> sake of fairness.
>
> Yes, fairness.
>
others get a drug-addicted mother and a violent stepfather. Some people are
born into the Catholic church, some people into a lunatic sect run by a
charlatan. Some people hear of Jesus, others don't.
>
> To avoid communication problems, foreseen and unforeseen.
> Well, in His case, foreseen only, I suppose.
> But, can you really make that case?
>
> Are you saying that God's Plan was for His Good News to start out
> small and then immediately splinter and mutate into countless
> interpretive theological variants, spreading hatred and war as
> it went, and becoming such an unagreed-upon thing that it spawned
> first a powerful political entity that proclaimed Jesus as God,
> and then a counter-religion in response to its warring nature,
> but that still acknowledged Jesus as a teacher?
>
by the human efforts of the disciples. An inherent risk in that plan was
that the disciples would be less than divinely competent, and that you would
have disagreements, mistakes, exploitation.
>
> Not to mention the, shall we say, questionable methods used to
> spread the "Good News" to those who might have missed out on
> front-row seats by many miles and/or years.
>
> With Good News like this, who needs Bad News?
>
the Americans. When the natives didn't immediately fall on their knees, they
had "rejected the gospel" so could be slaughtered. No sensible Christian
would defend this. However their motives were corrupted by the material
gains to be had.
>
> Additionally, the Good News rapidly and permanently became such
> an unagreed-upon thing that even among believers you'll find
> vastly different "interpretations" of Jesus's own words.
>
contains a right to bear arms, though as I would understand it that applies
only to members of the state militia (which everyone has a right to join).
Interpretation, you see.
>
> This is truly inexplicable: God's plan to ensconce His Plan only
> in the written and spoken word is clearly proven foolish by the
> mere fact that a de facto preterist/futurist schism even exists,
> let alone that it exists because scriptural accounts of what
> God's Son said and meant cannot be agreed upon BY BELIEVERS!
>
adhering to Peter and his successors one may avoid schism and heresy.
>
> Sounds like really poor Planning for the Good News to be so
> susceptible to human interpretation, willful and unintended
> meddling and downright evil and misleading misuse in the
> pursuit of power, wealth and empire.
>
> And yet, this is what has happened.
>
infallibility. You see now why these teachings are in fact pretty essential?
However the Pope is not preserved from personal sinfulness.
>
> Two thousand years have passed and billions of people must have
> been guilty of mis-characterizing God's Word, many undoubtedly
> due to no fault or ill-will on their part, and yet, still, no
> definitive clarification has yet been forthcoming from God.
>
by the Pope.
>
> And only God CAN do this. All humans can do and have ever done
> is to assume the mantle of God's Mouthpiece, while denouncing
> those who disagree as being wrong, or worse.
>
> This state of affairs calls into question the very fairness of
> such a Plan scheme, which calls upon each human to make a decision
> of monumental importance based upon only quite reasonably questionable
> evidence that such a Plan even exists, let alone what it exactly
> entails.
>
overwhelming evidence is really no decison at all.
>
> It doesn't matter whether the Good News was clear to a handful
> of guys back then. It is obviously not clear now. Not even close.
>
see whether what they are claiming makes sense.
>
> Yet, you are proud of your "massive movement" and I know you
> intended to imply that this is a proof-point for its correctness.
>
clai that it is guided by the Holy Spirit, but doesn't by itself prove that
this is the case.
>
> Yes, it is impressive how Christianity spread all around the world.
> But only on the surface. Many man-made constructs have done this.
>
>
> A God-made construct should have been much more impressive,
> definitive, and I repeat again, fair. In fact the exact opposite
> of what is actually observed to have occurred.
>
>
> You can play word and semantic interpretive games all you like with
> scriptures, but the fact that believers of all three Bible-inspired
> religions must do so, with hands oftentimes at each other's throats,
> during two thousand years of constantly growing scriptural ambiguity
> and disagreement sans any meaningful clarification from a supposed
> God of Peace who supposedly put forth a Plan for all of our salvation,
> can only draw one to the conclusion that there is something very
> wrong with this picture.
>
successful as Christianity, is a very telling point against us.
>
> Humans will eventually and definitively figure out precisely what
> is wrong. And it won't be the first time that we have had to revise
> our concept of what is true about the past.
>
> Whether we will be able to free ourselves from the detrimental
> effects that Biblical belief systems and their off-shoots have had
> on civilization is another question.
>
Christianity.
>
> That turns on whether we have the ability to jettison reliance
> on blind faith in honestly seeking the truth regarding theological
> questions, as we already have done in virtually every other field
> of inquiry.
>
> And with excellent results, I might add.
>
> Now, there's a plan...
>
the tools of scholarship. As far as Christianity is concerned you get mixed
results. You do have to use genuine scholarship, however, to avoid ending up
in kook's corner.
RetroProphet
>>>
>>>>you mean one of these gods?.......
>>>>
>>>><massive list of god names snipped>
>>
>>>Nah, unless you have almighty God in the list, none of these ever existed.
>>
>>"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
>>Philip K. Dick
>
>That's why God never goes away, but the other names have disappeared from sight.
>
>duke
>*****
The other gods have disappeared, that is to say that they have been
proven to have been imaginary, after all their believers disappeared.
Works every time.
We have not yet had the opportunity to test the theory out on yours.
Some day...
Billy Goat
> Hunter,
>
> You didn't hunt well. My response to this has been in this NG for
> months which responds also to the real value of the old Jewish
> sacrificial system.
> How does one receive atonement from God through the blood of an
> animal? If I were to kill my brother then sacrifice a lamb at the
> Temple, how can a lamb equal my brother's life? It cannot.
You're missing the point of the question. The very *concept* of
sacrifice as "atonement" makes no sense. If you were to kill your
brother, then a sacrifice at the Temple (be it animal or human) would
only compound the crime: instead of taking one life, you have taken
two. How can this possibly help? Do two wrongs make a right in God's
eyes?
It seems to me that atonement for the taking of a life would have to
involve the creation of a new life, not the taking of another.
--Billy
1MAN4ALL
I did. They never replied. Told you they are lazy...
IT @something.net Don
>On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 14:46:31 -0400, "JTEM" <gymr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Nowhere in the bible does Jesus ever once mention
>>homosexuality, never mind condemn it.
>
>But God did, in the story of Sodom and Gohmorrah. What do you think "wanting to get to
>'know them' means"?
According to the context, it would be rape, not an issue of sexuality
at all.
Duke, do you think ALL THE MEN in the city were gay? Do you think ALL
the men and boys (as the passage mentions) were gay?
>>The only way "Christians" can condemn homosexuality is by
>>cherry picking certain biblical passages, even as they dismiss
>>others (in the exact same book) as worthless filler.
>
>Romans 1
>27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed
>with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in
>themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
What? Why did you leave out the entire context of the passage?
According to your one verse proof text, this verse refers to
heterosexuals, who abandoned "natural" relations with women. Gay men
don't need to "abandon" natural relations with women. Their natural
relations with women are as friends, not as lovers. Obviously,
according to your proof text, the passage refers to heterosexual men,
not to homosexual men.
"It is indeed probable that more harm and misery
have been caused by men determined to use coercion
to stamp out a moral evil than by men intent on doing evil."
-- Friedrich A. Hayek
IT @something.net Don
So you equate education with abuse?
IT @something.net Don
<mal...@55bank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>
>"RetroProphet" <RetroProp...@newsguy.com> wrote
>>
>> Every Christian I have ever discussed theology with has maintained
>> that Jesus was sent as part of God's Plan to "redeem" Mankind.
>>
>> All of Mankind, they all insist.
>>
>That is pretty standard Christian theology.
>>
>> I have no problem with this premise, save for the fact that if
>> this was truly a plan God had, it is inexplicable that such an
>> important one was carried out in such a "small potatoes" fashion.
>>
>So what would you have done, if you were God, mankind was sinful, and you
>wnated to redeem them?
Since they were God's own handiwork, performing as God created them to
perform, why do they need some sort of special "redeeming?"
They were acting as God created them to act.
>> It is also inexplicable that such important "Good News" was
>> entrusted by God to be accurately transmitted in such a common
>> human fashion; that is, via human-written word and human-spoken word,
>> and that's it. Oh, and via "miracles" which never leave any
>> permanent and indisputable proof of actual occurrence, but do
>> leave "evidence" in the form of, you guessed it, human-written word
>> and human-spoken word.
>>
>Look at the the "writing on the moon" argument thread.
>>
>> This decidedly non-supernatural evidence component of what is alleged
>> to be a decidedly supernatural planned event is consistent with what
>> humans were capable of coming up with at the time -- in fact it is
>> merely the same way religious theology had been presented for thousands
>> of years before -- but it truly falls short of what an omnipotent God
>> should be capable of and more importantly, should WANT to do, for the
>> sake of fairness.
>>
>> Yes, fairness.
>>
>But life doesn't give a fair hand. Some people are born into loving homes,
>others get a drug-addicted mother and a violent stepfather. Some people are
>born into the Catholic church, some people into a lunatic sect run by a
>charlatan. Some people hear of Jesus, others don't.
So are you saying that Jesus is gonna condemn all those who, for
whatever reason, do NOT hear him to BURN IN HELL FOREVER???
>> To avoid communication problems, foreseen and unforeseen.
>> Well, in His case, foreseen only, I suppose.
>> But, can you really make that case?
>>
>> Are you saying that God's Plan was for His Good News to start out
>> small and then immediately splinter and mutate into countless
>> interpretive theological variants, spreading hatred and war as
>> it went, and becoming such an unagreed-upon thing that it spawned
>> first a powerful political entity that proclaimed Jesus as God,
>> and then a counter-religion in response to its warring nature,
>> but that still acknowledged Jesus as a teacher?
>>
>I'd say it was God's plan for His word to start with Jesus but then spread
>by the human efforts of the disciples. An inherent risk in that plan was
>that the disciples would be less than divinely competent, and that you would
>have disagreements, mistakes, exploitation.
And what happens to the individuals in the world who, because of these
disagreements, mistakes, etc. do NOT hear the Gospel and do NOT have
any chance to respond?
>> Not to mention the, shall we say, questionable methods used to
>> spread the "Good News" to those who might have missed out on
>> front-row seats by many miles and/or years.
>>
>> With Good News like this, who needs Bad News?
>>
>Of course. For instance the Spaniards would read the gospel, in Latin, to
>the Americans. When the natives didn't immediately fall on their knees, they
>had "rejected the gospel" so could be slaughtered. No sensible Christian
>would defend this.
The Spaniards considered themselves to be sensible Christians.
>However their motives were corrupted by the material
>gains to be had.
Oh? Ya mean, just like Paul and Jan and just like Benny Hinn and just
like many pastors in the Southern Baptist Convention, not to mentions
millions of good, ole run-of-the-mill Baptist folks?
>> Additionally, the Good News rapidly and permanently became such
>> an unagreed-upon thing that even among believers you'll find
>> vastly different "interpretations" of Jesus's own words.
>>
>I don't see the need for the quotes. The American constitution supposedly
>contains a right to bear arms, though as I would understand it that applies
>only to members of the state militia (which everyone has a right to join).
>Interpretation, you see.
The second amendment makes it clear that it is a "right of the PEOPLE
to keep and bear Arms" and it "shall not be infringed."
It lists "a well regulated Militia" and the reason, "being necessary
to the security of a free State."
However, it does NOT say, the right of the PEOPLE IN THE MILITIA to
keep and bear arms. Although, I have heard that argument also.
>>> This is truly inexplicable: God's plan to ensconce His Plan only
>> in the written and spoken word is clearly proven foolish by the
>> mere fact that a de facto preterist/futurist schism even exists,
>> let alone that it exists because scriptural accounts of what
>> God's Son said and meant cannot be agreed upon BY BELIEVERS!
>>
>That's why Peter was appointed as the rock on which the church was built. By
>adhering to Peter and his successors one may avoid schism and heresy.
Even Peter could not control that. Don't kid yourself. Some Roman
Catholics say that in 1054 CE, the Eastern Orthodox churches broke
away from their church. Eastern Orthodox Christians also claim that
it was the Roman Catholic church which broke away from the Eastern
Orthodoxy in the 11th century. Pope Peter did not do a very good job
of controlling schism and heresy.
Even the idea of Peter being personally "the rock" is not agreed upon
by approximately half of those who claim to be Christian.
>> Sounds like really poor Planning for the Good News to be so
>> susceptible to human interpretation, willful and unintended
>> meddling and downright evil and misleading misuse in the
>> pursuit of power, wealth and empire.
>>
>> And yet, this is what has happened.
>>
>The Pope is human, but has the Holy Spirit to guide him, and the charism of
>infallibility. You see now why these teachings are in fact pretty essential?
>However the Pope is not preserved from personal sinfulness.
Nor is he preserved from contradicting other popes, and making
decisions based upon the popular whelms of the times! Nothing
spiritual about it at all.
>> Two thousand years have passed and billions of people must have
>> been guilty of mis-characterizing God's Word, many undoubtedly
>> due to no fault or ill-will on their part, and yet, still, no
>> definitive clarification has yet been forthcoming from God.
>>
>The clarification comes from the Pope, or the councils of the church called
>by the Pope.
Which Pope and which councils?
>> And only God CAN do this. All humans can do and have ever done
>> is to assume the mantle of God's Mouthpiece, while denouncing
>> those who disagree as being wrong, or worse.
>>
>> This state of affairs calls into question the very fairness of
>> such a Plan scheme, which calls upon each human to make a decision
>> of monumental importance based upon only quite reasonably questionable
>> evidence that such a Plan even exists, let alone what it exactly
>> entails.
>>
>"Writing on the moon" argument again. A decision based on absolutely
>overwhelming evidence is really no decison at all.
You couldn't eat beef on Friday last week but ya can this week!!!
>> Yet, you are proud of your "massive movement" and I know you
>> intended to imply that this is a proof-point for its correctness.
>>
>The fact that the church is a "massive movement" gives credibility to the
>clai that it is guided by the Holy Spirit, but doesn't by itself prove that
>this is the case.
Currently, Mormons, Jehovah Witnesses and Islam are three fast growing
movements, three massive movements. And each claims spiritual
guidance by the same God.
>> Yes, it is impressive how Christianity spread all around the world.
>> But only on the surface. Many man-made constructs have done this.
>>
>Exactly.
>>
>> A God-made construct should have been much more impressive,
>> definitive, and I repeat again, fair. In fact the exact opposite
>> of what is actually observed to have occurred.
>>
>Why? What would you do, if you were God?
>>
>> You can play word and semantic interpretive games all you like with
>> scriptures, but the fact that believers of all three Bible-inspired
>> religions must do so, with hands oftentimes at each other's throats,
>> during two thousand years of constantly growing scriptural ambiguity
>> and disagreement sans any meaningful clarification from a supposed
>> God of Peace who supposedly put forth a Plan for all of our salvation,
>> can only draw one to the conclusion that there is something very
>> wrong with this picture.
>>
>I think the fact that Islam has survived for so long, and been almost as
>successful as Christianity, is a very telling point against us.
What do you mean, "almost as successful as Christianity?"
How are you defining success? As a whole, Muslims seem to be far more
dedicated to following their religious teachings, especially compared
to the average contemporary American Christian/Catholic, who dresses
like the world, talks like the world, conducts business like the
world, marries and divorces like the world, etc. There is no
difference.
IT @something.net Don
>On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 11:07:39 +0800, bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>
>>> Actually, you've had the real answer, but ignored it.
>
>>> God became man in the person of Jesus Christ to die on the cross for the redemption of
>>> man's sin and the salvation of his soul.
>
>>> Judism didn't do it as it was introduction to the final covenant.
>
>>> >How do Chistians explain why redemption could not have been achieved
>>> >by milder means?
>
>>> Only God can answer.
>
>>you mean one of these gods?.......
>
>Nah, unless you have almighty God in the list, none of these ever existed.
>
>duke
And you "know" that how?
Qualem blennum!
IT @something.net Don
>On 1 Aug 2004 13:30:55 -0700, RetroProphet <RetroProp...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>>>>> Only God can answer.
>>>
>>>>you mean one of these gods?.......
>>>>
>>>><massive list of god names snipped>
>>
>>>Nah, unless you have almighty God in the list, none of these ever existed.
>>
>>"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
>>Philip K. Dick
>
>That's why God never goes away, but the other names have disappeared from sight.
You really DO live in a tiny, little world, don't ya?
Qualem blennum!
Ensjo
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> On 1 Aug 2004 13:30:55 -0700, RetroProphet <RetroProp...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> >"Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away."
> >Philip K. Dick
>
> That's why God never goes away, but the other names have disappeared from
> sight.
Give it time, give it time...
Santa Claus will supersede YHWH. :-D
Ensjo.
Ensjo
> On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 07:50:45 GMT, Don < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote:
> I personally profess, seeing as Jesus will be the one to meet us at the
> gate and then stand in judgment of us, that God decided that Jesus would
> experience the same exposure to life and it's events as all mankind does
> yet never said "yes" to the evil things the way we human do.
In other words, you profess that YHWH isn't omniscient. IF he was
omniscient, he would KNOW how it feels like being human, not needing
to appeal to such a crazy experience.
Ensjo.
walksalone
Islamic group removed
> On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 23:21:11 +0100, "Malcolm"
> <mal...@55bank.freeserve.co.uk> wrote:
>>"walksalone" <sp...@fcc.gov> wrote
>>> Which three gods on the following list are you going to provide evidence
>>> for, evidence that they were false gods?
>>The first three.
>>Better warn you here. Personally I think the list of gods is a bit of fun,
>>but you might well irritate other readers, and there's a very good case that
>>it constitutes abuse that could lead to a complaint to the ISP.
> So you equate education with abuse?
Damnit Don, you startled me. Darn near woke me up, & then I read the
response. It does appear Malcolm does not like his lack of knowledge being
pointed out though. I've not seen anyone fail to take the bit like that in,
well since Nam & that was 68.
I take it you are in good health & happy <EAG> to be back in ARCB from your
short absence/ I know I am glad to see you back.
The place could use a touch of interesting commentary.
> "It is indeed probable that more harm and misery
> have been caused by men determined to use coercion
> to stamp out a moral evil than by men intent on doing evil."
> -- Friedrich A. Hayek
Sad,but true I suspect.
walksalone who is generally glad to see Don, after all, the fellow can
think & speak his mind.
--
"Churches are becoming political organizations....It probably will not be
long until the churches will divide as sharply upon political, as upon
theological questions; and when that day comes, if there are not liberals
enough to hold the balance of power, this Government will be destroyed. The
liberty of man is not safe in the hands of any church. Wherever the Bible
and sword are in partnership, man is a slave."
Robert Green Ingersoll, 1879
Ensjo
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> (...)
> So what would you have done, if you were God, mankind was sinful, and you
> wnated to redeem them?
I would have created them sin-proof. Period.
Omniscience and omnipotence lets no room for free will or redemption.
> (...)
> But life doesn't give a fair hand. Some people are born into loving homes,
> others get a drug-addicted mother and a violent stepfather. Some people are
> born into the Catholic church, some people into a lunatic sect run by a
> charlatan. Some people hear of Jesus, others don't.
Such unfairness of life only reflects the total inexistece of a fair
god.
> (...)
> I'd say it was God's plan for His word to start with Jesus but then spread
> by the human efforts of the disciples. An inherent risk in that plan was
> that the disciples would be less than divinely competent, and that you would
> have disagreements, mistakes, exploitation.
"Risk"? Isn't YHWH omniscient? He would just know, there should be no
risk to him. If anything happens, it is because he either wants to or
allows to.
> (...)
> "Writing on the moon" argument again. A decision based on absolutely
> overwhelming evidence is really no decison at all.
Being put on the world and then judged by a god who KNEW previously
what your life would be is not fair at all.
Ensjo.
bob young
Billy Goat wrote:
Sacrifice is a primitive idea, when gods were thought to be just above the clouds and they needed food
and other goodies from man in order to obtain protection from that god. Pathetic stuff isn't it?
Preachers still point upwards when they talk of 'the Lord'. We now know what is 'up there' and there are
no gods!
>
>
> --Billy
RetroProphet
>> that Jesus was sent as part of God's Plan to "redeem" Mankind.
>>
>> All of Mankind, they all insist.
>>
>That is pretty standard Christian theology.
>>
>> I have no problem with this premise, save for the fact that if
>> this was truly a plan God had, it is inexplicable that such an
>> important one was carried out in such a "small potatoes" fashion.
>>
>So what would you have done, if you were God, mankind was sinful,
What would I do if I were God and Mankind was so sinful that
it required "redeeming"?
Asking an atheist that is like the ol' "When did you stop
beating your wife" routine.
First thought that comes to mind is they might be so sinful
because I never revealed Myself to all of them in a
sufficiently impressive way. Doing so might just do the trick.
After all, God supposedly did appear at various points to
various individuals in various attempts to straighten things out.
What's the point of telling one guy and having him tell everyone
else, if as God you just KNOW that some folks aren't going to
believe you? Unless you INTEND that some will not be convinced,
why would you refrain from making your presence obvious always?
So, perhaps it's really just a matter of degree and persistance
of revelation, and not the necessity of something called
"redeeming", which frankly smacks of some kind of manmade temple
mumbojumbo anyway. Akin perhaps to animal sacrificing or such.
God thought that was pretty hep at one point, as I recall, then
kinda changed his mind...or was it just human minds that were
changing...hmmm...which brings us to...
My second thought, which is that there is really no God, but
men created the idea of one in order to cope with the problem
of some men being so crazy out of control. An imaginary but
convincing all-powerful enforcer sure would come in handy,
wouldn't it? Truly a major leap forward for civilization, and I
really mean that, no joke. A major leap forward in accurately
describing reality?...well, no. Not really.
Ah, now that feels right. I think I'll go with that. Number two.
But, that's just me. I'm not God.
However, a real God really ought to explain (preferably in person,
but you can take a crack at it in his absence) why my first thought
above was not His first thought, why He chose a two thousand year
long hatefest instead, one that was obviously caused by the
unconvincing nature of the evidence He left...presumeably to
convince folks...but what was the point since it worked so poorly
and more to the point, how could such poorly conceived evidence
originate from an infallible deity, be indistinguishable from what
primitive humans would have come up with if they were, well, faking it?
Ah, now that feels right now, too.
>> It is also inexplicable that such important "Good News" was
>> entrusted by God to be accurately transmitted in such a common
>> human fashion; that is, via human-written word and human-spoken word,
>> and that's it. Oh, and via "miracles" which never leave any
>> permanent and indisputable proof of actual occurrence, but do
>> leave "evidence" in the form of, you guessed it, human-written word
>> and human-spoken word.
>>
>Look at the the "writing on the moon" argument thread.
I read one of your "writing on the moon" threads.
You suggested that if God were to do this, it would
"effectively force everyone to become Christians"
This conclusion really relies on the idea that a revealed deity
somehow eliminates the free will of his creations.
I disagree.
Discovering that God is undoubtedly real would not impact my
free will at all. I am still just as free as before to obey or
disobey whatever God commands me to do. Just because you make
the assumption that I will undoubtedly do whatever God says
I should, doesn't mean that I will or MUST.
It is not the equivalent of making it impossible for me to disobey.
It does not "make me a robot", a loaded objection to this idea that
I have seen floated by some, hoping perhaps to persuade that I
somehow become mindless were I to obtain such knowledge. It ignores
that I still have the ability to discern good from evil. And to not
care, should that be the case.
Satan and others had sure knowledge that God existed, and this fact
did not impact their free will; your mythos would be very different
if this were not so.
And yet I am not allowed the same knowledge that God's most evil
creation is allowed: men insist that God insists that I pledge blind
faith in the face of the impossibility of knowing the truth or else
face eternal damnation.
Yet, you probably would defend THIS as being free will.
The issue is fairness. To condemn me for having reasonable
doubts due to the poor quality of evidence is simply unfair.
I have no way of determining whether I am hearing a handed-down
ancient fantasy, or the truth. And God knows this.
>> This decidedly non-supernatural evidence component of what is alleged
>> to be a decidedly supernatural planned event is consistent with what
>> humans were capable of coming up with at the time -- in fact it is
>> merely the same way religious theology had been presented for thousands
>> of years before -- but it truly falls short of what an omnipotent God
>> should be capable of and more importantly, should WANT to do, for the
>> sake of fairness.
>>
>> Yes, fairness.
>>
>But life doesn't give a fair hand. Some people are born into loving homes,
>others get a drug-addicted mother and a violent stepfather. Some people are
>born into the Catholic church, some people into a lunatic sect run by a
>charlatan. Some people hear of Jesus, others don't.
Could be because there is no God. It's for your worldview
to explain all that in light of a loving caring God.
And also to explain why, assuming there is, I shouldn't expect
fairness from God in what is presented as being a Covenent.
Why shouldn't I?
>> To avoid communication problems, foreseen and unforeseen.
>> Well, in His case, foreseen only, I suppose.
>> But, can you really make that case?
>>
>> Are you saying that God's Plan was for His Good News to start out
>> small and then immediately splinter and mutate into countless
>> interpretive theological variants, spreading hatred and war as
>> it went, and becoming such an unagreed-upon thing that it spawned
>> first a powerful political entity that proclaimed Jesus as God,
>> and then a counter-religion in response to its warring nature,
>> but that still acknowledged Jesus as a teacher?
>>
>I'd say it was God's plan for His word to start with Jesus but then spread
>by the human efforts of the disciples. An inherent risk in that plan was
>that the disciples would be less than divinely competent, and that you would
>have disagreements, mistakes, exploitation.
Why would God be willing to take such a risk with so much at stake?
And the risk is far broader than you admit. Not only might disciples
be "less than divinely competent", there might be complete imposters
with agendas completely at odds with God's, pretending to be of God.
How could anybody know, again, with the poor evidence provided and
utter lack of additional corrective communication from God?
And the necessitating upside to this risk would be ... what, exactly?
>> Not to mention the, shall we say, questionable methods used to
>> spread the "Good News" to those who might have missed out on
>> front-row seats by many miles and/or years.
>>
>> With Good News like this, who needs Bad News?
>>
>Of course. For instance the Spaniards would read the gospel, in Latin, to
>the Americans. When the natives didn't immediately fall on their knees, they
>had "rejected the gospel" so could be slaughtered. No sensible Christian
>would defend this. However their motives were corrupted by the material
>gains to be had.
Excellent planning, there, to insure the successful spread of
the Good Word to non-believers. That was the point of the exercise, no?
Or maybe God just didn't like them because they were so savage.
Maybe Christians SHOULD defend this behavior...no that can't be right...
No sensible Christian would defend this behavior.
How about a sensible God? Who knew this would happen.
Unfair world, again courtesy of what...a fair God?
It was His Plan, remember? What required this risk to be taken?
Could have made his reality and Covenant clear to the Aztecs and
avoided all manner of unpleasantness.
But, He preferred massive and horrible bloodshed.
Saw it coming, must not have minded...go know...
>> Additionally, the Good News rapidly and permanently became such
>> an unagreed-upon thing that even among believers you'll find
>> vastly different "interpretations" of Jesus's own words.
>>
>I don't see the need for the quotes. The American constitution supposedly
>contains a right to bear arms, though as I would understand it that applies
>only to members of the state militia (which everyone has a right to join).
>Interpretation, you see.
If there was no need for the quotes, there would be no endless
debate on the preterist/futurist question.
>> This is truly inexplicable: God's plan to ensconce His Plan only
>> in the written and spoken word is clearly proven foolish by the
>> mere fact that a de facto preterist/futurist schism even exists,
>> let alone that it exists because scriptural accounts of what
>> God's Son said and meant cannot be agreed upon BY BELIEVERS!
>>
>That's why Peter was appointed as the rock on which the church was built.
>By adhering to Peter and his successors one may avoid schism and heresy.
That's a fine Party line, and it works real well when you're the
only Party, but the fact is there are enormous numbers of different
churches and religions playing One True Faith in the modern world.
If you think you have avoided schism by picking one of them,
you are blinder to the confused state of religious scripture
as coherent evidence of God's Plan than you are willing to admit.
>> Sounds like really poor Planning for the Good News to be so
>> susceptible to human interpretation, willful and unintended
>> meddling and downright evil and misleading misuse in the
>> pursuit of power, wealth and empire.
>>
>> And yet, this is what has happened.
>>
>The Pope is human, but has the Holy Spirit to guide him, and the charism of
>infallibility. You see now why these teachings are in fact pretty essential?
>However the Pope is not preserved from personal sinfulness.
I guess they would be pretty essential, if they worked.
The history of Roman Catholicism suggests otherwise.
>> Two thousand years have passed and billions of people must have
>> been guilty of mis-characterizing God's Word, many undoubtedly
>> due to no fault or ill-will on their part, and yet, still, no
>> definitive clarification has yet been forthcoming from God.
>>
>The clarification comes from the Pope, or the councils of the church
>called by the Pope.
No Pope or Church Council has ever provided clarifying proof
of God's existence. Nor has God Himself. You sometimes seem to
not understand the gist of my argument.
>> And only God CAN do this. All humans can do and have ever done
>> is to assume the mantle of God's Mouthpiece, while denouncing
>> those who disagree as being wrong, or worse.
>>
>> This state of affairs calls into question the very fairness of
>> such a Plan scheme, which calls upon each human to make a decision
>> of monumental importance based upon only quite reasonably questionable
>> evidence that such a Plan even exists, let alone what it exactly
>> entails.
>>
>"Writing on the moon" argument again. A decision based on absolutely
>overwhelming evidence is really no decision at all.
I'd hate to face you if you were a court judge.
Are you kidding? Why would you consider less than reasonable
evidence to be preferable as a basis upon which to make a decision?
>> It doesn't matter whether the Good News was clear to a handful
>> of guys back then. It is obviously not clear now. Not even close.
>>
>No, there aren't easy answers. You need to look at several religions, and
>see whether what they are claiming makes sense.
There's that brilliant Plan again, working like a charm.
Now you are telling me that understanding the Good News requires
me to entertain the claims of more than one ancient religion, and
that I have to see if what they are claiming makes sense.
Sounds like unnecessary confusion instead of ... a plan, remember?
Actually, when you look at all of the Bible-based religions and
their off-shoots together and in historical context, it's very clear
that none of it makes sense. I suspect that's why they are
CONSTANTLY FIGHTING ABOUT IT!
Here's an idea: how about instead of ME looking into whether these
inspired religions are making any sense, how about God does that?
Seeing as how it was His idea to impart wisdom to us in this obviously
fouled up way, it only seems like, well, the FAIR thing to do.
>> Yet, you are proud of your "massive movement" and I know you
>> intended to imply that this is a proof-point for its correctness.
>>
>The fact that the church is a "massive movement" gives credibility to the
>claim that it is guided by the Holy Spirit, but doesn't by itself prove that
>this is the case.
Isn't "guided by the Holy Spirit" really just applied to
"massive movements" you like?
>> Yes, it is impressive how Christianity spread all around the world.
>> But only on the surface. Many man-made constructs have done this.
>>
>Exactly.
Some of these were probably not guided by the Holy Spirit.
>> A God-made construct should have been much more impressive,
>> definitive, and I repeat again, fair. In fact the exact opposite
>> of what is actually observed to have occurred.
>>
>Why? What would you do, if you were God?
I usually don't post links, but I answered this a few months
ago for someone in this manner:
>> You can play word and semantic interpretive games all you like with
>> scriptures, but the fact that believers of all three Bible-inspired
>> religions must do so, with hands oftentimes at each other's throats,
>> during two thousand years of constantly growing scriptural ambiguity
>> and disagreement sans any meaningful clarification from a supposed
>> God of Peace who supposedly put forth a Plan for all of our salvation,
>> can only draw one to the conclusion that there is something very
>> wrong with this picture.
>>
>I think the fact that Islam has survived for so long, and been almost as
>successful as Christianity, is a very telling point against us.
I guess that you would see this as some sort of admonishment
for apostasy or something like that.
I see it as simply another proof point that all Bible-based
religions and off-shoots are all fouled up because they are
all based on ancient fables.
Nice to see we have some common ground here ;-)
>> Humans will eventually and definitively figure out precisely what
>> is wrong. And it won't be the first time that we have had to revise
>> our concept of what is true about the past.
>>
>> Whether we will be able to free ourselves from the detrimental
>> effects that Biblical belief systems and their off-shoots have had
>> on civilization is another question.
>>
>It's not all negative. Western culture owes an enormous debt to
>Christianity.
Never said it's all negative. Don't believe that at all.
Remember what I said uptop about religions being an inventional response
to coping with savage humans among us? All culture owes an enormous debt
to the invention of gods. But, it's time to upgrade. The legacy software
is failing and yielding nonsense results.
>> That turns on whether we have the ability to jettison reliance
>> on blind faith in honestly seeking the truth regarding theological
>> questions, as we already have done in virtually every other field
>> of inquiry.
>>
>> And with excellent results, I might add.
>>
>> Now, there's a plan...
>>
>Of course the phenomenon of religion can be studied scientifically, or with
>the tools of scholarship. As far as Christianity is concerned you get mixed
>results. You do have to use genuine scholarship, however, to avoid ending up
>in kook's corner.
Gotta watch out for those "mixed results" from inerrent scripture.
(thought there was a clear Plan in there...somewhere...now where
the heck did it go?)
And who decides whose scholarship is genuine?
Still think that two thousand year old parchment was a good idea?
And what if some scriptures were written by kooks?
Watch what they do, not what they say, sez I to meself...
bob young
duke wrote:
> On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 11:07:39 +0800, bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>
> >> Actually, you've had the real answer, but ignored it.
>
> >> God became man in the person of Jesus Christ to die on the cross for the redemption of
> >> man's sin and the salvation of his soul.
>
> >> Judism didn't do it as it was introduction to the final covenant.
>
> >> >How do Chistians explain why redemption could not have been achieved
> >> >by milder means?
>
> >> Only God can answer.
>
> >you mean one of these gods?.......
>
> Nah, unless you have almighty God in the list, none of these ever existed.
And your god *does* exist? Then you are an 'almighty brain dead fool'
By the way, why do you insist on your sky pixie being 'almighty'. If you follow an almighty
mythical invisible god, does it make you feel better, stronger, more powerful, more
influential, more arrogent?
Oh...and maybe a little less insecure?
All during my college years we trooped off to church service once a week and under the
watchful eyes of our form masters we chanted The Apostle's Creed. Everything in it is
mythology yet we were forced to pledge ourselves to what is patently age old superstition
and nothing else. This is what we were made to pledge in unison:
I believe in God, the Father Almighty,
the Creator of heaven and earth,
and in Jesus Christ, His only Son, our Lord:
Who was conceived of the Holy Spirit,
born of the Virgin Mary,
suffered under Pontius Pilate,
was crucified, died, and was buried.
He descended into hell. [see Calvin]
The third day He arose again from the dead.
He ascended into heaven
and sits at the right hand of God the Father Almighty,
whence He shall come to judge the living and the dead.
I believe in the Holy Spirit, the holy *catholic church,
the communion of saints,
the forgiveness of sins,
the resurrection of the body,
and life everlasting.
Amen.
.....someone may have suffered under Pontius Pilot, this the closest The Creed comes to
anything approaching 'The truth'. Truth being a subject Christians are so fond of tossing
around!!!
Bob
A Brit.
Hong Kong
To believe in God or in a guiding force because someone tells you to is the height of
stupidity. We are given senses to receive our information within. With our own eyes we see,
and with our own skin we feel. With our intelligence, it is intended that we understand. But
each person must puzzle it out for himself or herself.
[Sophy Burnham]
"Religion is fundamentally opposed to everything I hold in
veneration - courage, clear thinking, honesty, fairness, and, above all, love of the
truth."
[H. L. Mencken]
"Take from the church the miraculous, the supernatural, the incomprehensible, the
unreasonable, the impossible, the unknowable, the absurd, and nothing but a vacuum remains."
[Robert G. Ingersoll]
bob young
duke wrote:
> On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 14:46:31 -0400, "JTEM" <gymr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Nowhere in the bible does Jesus ever once mention
> >homosexuality, never mind condemn it.
>
> But God did, in the story of Sodom and Gohmorrah. What do you think "wanting to get to
> 'know them' means"?
Story - you said it. Written by primitives and no god said anything, as you WELL know
Remember, each time you mention 'the word of God' you must point skywards, as that is
where He is supposed to be, just above the clouds.
duke
>>That's why God never goes away, but the other names have disappeared from sight.
>The other gods have disappeared, that is to say that they have been
>proven to have been imaginary, after all their believers disappeared.
>Works every time.
>We have not yet had the opportunity to test the theory out on yours.
>Some day...
Believers in God almighty are continuing to grow - now 53% of the current world
population.
duke
>>That's why God never goes away, but the other names have disappeared from sight.
>You really DO live in a tiny, little world, don't ya?
No, why?
duke
>>>> >How do Chistians explain why redemption could not have been achieved
>>>> >by milder means?
>>>> Only God can answer.
>>>you mean one of these gods?.......
>>Nah, unless you have almighty God in the list, none of these ever existed.
>And you "know" that how?
Just a list of names, no believers.
duke
>And your god *does* exist? Then you are an 'almighty brain dead fool'
Why? Me: win (hopefully)/no win. You: lose/no win. No win comes into play if there is
no almighty God.
>By the way, why do you insist on your sky pixie being 'almighty'. If you follow an almighty
>mythical invisible god, does it make you feel better, stronger, more powerful, more
>influential, more arrogent?
Because he is ALL MIGHTY.
>To believe in God or in a guiding force because someone tells you to is the height of
>stupidity.
No one told me to except as a youngster. Now I'm firmly convinced of this truth.
duke
>It's so wonderful to watch folks whose entire worldview
>rests on blind faith trying to utilize logical reasoning
>to make sense of their mythos, as if they would take
>reasoning seriously at all if push came to shove.
>Jesus could not possibly experience the same exposure to
>life as mortal humans because he seemed to know for certain
>that God existed.
Yet you yourself were never crucified on a cross.
>He did not need to take this on faith,
>but we are required to.
You don't have to. You are asked to. And not blindly, but in accordance with "love for
one another as God loves you".
Now what's so hard about that?
duke
>> I personally profess, seeing as Jesus will be the one to meet us at the
>> gate and then stand in judgment of us, that God decided that Jesus would
>> experience the same exposure to life and it's events as all mankind does
>> yet never said "yes" to the evil things the way we human do.
>In other words, you profess that YHWH isn't omniscient. IF he was
>omniscient, he would KNOW how it feels like being human, not needing
>to appeal to such a crazy experience.
He wants us to choose him, and if we don't, we now have one that experienced the same
things as us and much worst, but never sinned, to judge us.
duke
>>But God did, in the story of Sodom and Gohmorrah. What do you think "wanting to get to
>>'know them' means"?
>According to the context, it would be rape, not an issue of sexuality
>at all.
Hey, according to history, homosexuality was the highest order of love in those days.
>Duke, do you think ALL THE MEN in the city were gay? Do you think ALL
>the men and boys (as the passage mentions) were gay?
No. And God drew the line at "if only 10 were innocent, I won't destroy the city".
>>Romans 1
>>27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed
>>with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in
>>themselves the due penalty for their perversion.
>What? Why did you leave out the entire context of the passage?
Context??????? THAT is what was said.
>According to your one verse proof text, this verse refers to
>heterosexuals, who abandoned "natural" relations with women. Gay men
>don't need to "abandon" natural relations with women. Their natural
>relations with women are as friends, not as lovers. Obviously,
>according to your proof text, the passage refers to heterosexual men,
>not to homosexual men.
You're sick.
duke
>> On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 14:46:31 -0400, "JTEM" <gymr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >Nowhere in the bible does Jesus ever once mention
>> >homosexuality, never mind condemn it.
>> But God did, in the story of Sodom and Gohmorrah. What do you think "wanting to get to
>> 'know them' means"?
>Story - you said it. Written by primitives and no god said anything, as you WELL know
The bible is a book of books. Would you feel better if I said "in the book of S&G...."?
>Remember, each time you mention 'the word of God' you must point skywards, as that is
>where He is supposed to be, just above the clouds.
Good grief, now I know why you are an atheist.
duke
>>So what would you have done, if you were God, mankind was sinful, and you
>>wnated to redeem them?
>Since they were God's own handiwork, performing as God created them to
>perform, why do they need some sort of special "redeeming?"
Yes, we were given a free will because we were created in his likeness and image. With a
free will, we are given a chance to choose God or reject God.
Atheists reject God.
duke
>> How does one receive atonement from God through the blood of an
>> animal? If I were to kill my brother then sacrifice a lamb at the
>> Temple, how can a lamb equal my brother's life? It cannot.
>You're missing the point of the question.
No, you're missing the point of the question.
> The very *concept* of
>sacrifice as "atonement" makes no sense.
That's historically the way men do it, except for wicccas of course, who use marshmallows.
bob young
duke wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 13:57:36 +0800, bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>
> >And your god *does* exist? Then you are an 'almighty brain dead fool'
>
> Why? Me: win (hopefully)/no win. You: lose/no win. No win comes into play if there is
> no almighty God.
>
> >By the way, why do you insist on your sky pixie being 'almighty'. If you follow an almighty
> >mythical invisible god, does it make you feel better, stronger, more powerful, more
> >influential, more arrogent?
>
> Because he is ALL MIGHTY.
>
> >To believe in God or in a guiding force because someone tells you to is the height of
> >stupidity.
>
> No one told me to except as a youngster. Now I'm firmly convinced of this truth.
I think it was Hitler who said something like 'tell the masses something often enough and they
will begin to beleive it'.
Gods are imaginary things. you read like a well read individual so you will no doubt have a
feeling at the back of your mind that I could well be right.
I would be happy if there were a god to do all the things we humans wish and pray for, but I
have the common sense to realise that there is no such thing. If there were, there would be
only one god, not the thousands I sent you in my earlier list.
We humans are creative and we create gods by the thousands
bob young
duke wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 14:01:26 +0800, bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote:
>
> >> On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 14:46:31 -0400, "JTEM" <gymr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> >Nowhere in the bible does Jesus ever once mention
> >> >homosexuality, never mind condemn it.
>
> >> But God did, in the story of Sodom and Gohmorrah. What do you think "wanting to get to
> >> 'know them' means"?
>
> >Story - you said it. Written by primitives and no god said anything, as you WELL know
>
> The bible is a book of books. Would you feel better if I said "in the book of S&G...."?
>
> >Remember, each time you mention 'the word of God' you must point skywards, as that is
> >where He is supposed to be, just above the clouds.
>
> Good grief, now I know why you are an atheist....
why because I think it is crassly stupid and feel sick to my stomach when I see my
contemporaries talking of a god and pointing to the sky where He is supposed to be!
Yes, you are right, it makes me sick, and an atheist too
Shan
> shank...@yahoo.com (Shan) wrote in message news:<71bd538c.04080...@posting.google.com>...
> > Hunter,
> >
> > You didn't hunt well. My response to this has been in this NG for
> > months which responds also to the real value of the old Jewish
> > sacrificial system.
> <snip>
>
> > animal? If I were to kill my brother then sacrifice a lamb at the
> > Temple, how can a lamb equal my brother's life? It cannot.
>
> sacrifice as "atonement" makes no sense. If you were to kill your
> brother, then a sacrifice at the Temple (be it animal or human) would
> only compound the crime: instead of taking one life, you have taken
> two. How can this possibly help? Do two wrongs make a right in God's
> eyes?
>
> It seems to me that atonement for the taking of a life would have to
> involve the creation of a new life, not the taking of another.
You did not read the full post and therefore MISUNDERSTOOD BIG TIME.
Read again, I wrote "How can a lamb equal my brother's life? IT
CANNOT."
The plague of our time is people not reading and if they do, they
don't understand.
bob young
"Henru! Rustic" wrote:
> On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 05:51:35 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> blurted:
>
> >And not blindly
>
> Psalm 47:7 - For God {is} the King of all the earth: sing ye praises with
> understanding.
The writer of the above prefers to wear blinkers rather than to 'think for
himself'
Bob
A Brit.
Hong Kong
These - the houses of the gods - the temples, the churches and the
cathedrals - are buildings apparently made for giants, and a space visitor
would be surprised to find on closer examination that these giants are never
at home. Their followers repeatedly visit them and bow down before them,
but they themselves are invisible. Only their bell-like cries can be heard
across the land. Man is indeed an
imaginative species.
[Desmond Morris]
bob young
duke wrote:
> On 1 Aug 2004 14:15:44 -0700, RetroProphet <RetroProp...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
> >It's so wonderful to watch folks whose entire worldview
> >rests on blind faith trying to utilize logical reasoning
> >to make sense of their mythos, as if they would take
> >reasoning seriously at all if push came to shove.
>
> >Jesus could not possibly experience the same exposure to
> >life as mortal humans because he seemed to know for certain
> >that God existed.
>
> Yet you yourself were never crucified on a cross.
>
> >He did not need to take this on faith,
> >but we are required to.
>
> You don't have to. You are asked to. And not blindly, but in accordance with "love for
> one another as God loves you".
>
> Now what's so hard about that?
It is not hard if you believe it, but I know there is no god loving me.
No god that allows grossly deformed fetus to be borne [about one in two hundred thousand
births] exists. A fetus so horrible the mother does not get to see it before it is put
away. No I do not believe in gods. Gods are nothing but early superstition.
What came before the thousands of gods? The thousands of 'evil spirits' and 'demons'.
Primitive man was scared to death and dreamed up these spitits and then they made up gods
to chase away these demons.
Bob
A Brit.
Hong Kong
"Oh man! You who cannot create a worm yet you create gods by the dozens!"
[Michel Montaigne]
"If this being is omnipotent, then every occurrence, including every human action, every
human thought, and every human feeling andaspiration is also His work; how is it possible
to think of holdingmen responsible for their deeds and thoughts before such an almighty
Being? In giving out punishment and rewards He would to a certain extent be passing
judgment on Himself. How can this be combined withthe goodness and righteousness ascribed
to Him? [Albert Einstein - Out of My Later Years (New York: Philosophical Library, 1950),
p. 27.]
bob young
Malcolm wrote:
> "bob young" <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote
> >
> > ......and the rest of the world? The millions of Asians, all of the
> Africans,
> > the Indians on the Continent that later would become the USA. Why were
> all
> > these missing out on the works of this god and his so called son?
> >
> > Because it was all a localised myth maybe?
> >
> That could count as a common argument. What about those who know nothing of
> Christ?
> However Jesus was aware that He was only speaking to a very small
> sub-section of the human population, in Palestine. His theory was that the
> good news was being offered first to the Jews, as the chosen people, and
> only afterwards would it be offered to the gentiles (we have to be careful
> here, because we know there was a dispute between Peter and Paul on the
> status of gentile Christians, and everythign written in the gospels will be
> written in the light of this).
> Read the parable of the mustard seed. Jesus started out small, with two men
> (John and Jesus) going round preaching. However they rapidly grew to a
> massive movement.
Very convenient and as one would expect a localised myth to be!
An all powerful god resorts to what you claim above?!
Arrant nonsense
nobody
>Why God couldnt or didnt save mankind with less gruesome tactics?
If you don't believe in God, it's a meaningless question. If you do,
you should realize God can do anything and you cannot question his
ways.
Ensjo
news:<067sg0tun8n314i69...@4ax.com>...
> On 1 Aug 2004 20:40:20 -0700, en...@yahoo.com.br (Ensjo) wrote:
>
> >> I personally profess, seeing as Jesus will be the one to meet us at the
> >> gate and then stand in judgment of us, that God decided that Jesus would
> >> experience the same exposure to life and it's events as all mankind does
> >> yet never said "yes" to the evil things the way we human do.
>
> >In other words, you profess that YHWH isn't omniscient. IF he was
> >omniscient, he would KNOW how it feels like being human, not needing
> >to appeal to such a crazy experience.
>
> He wants us to choose him, and if we don't, we now have one that experienced
> the same things as us and much worst, but never sinned, to judge us.
YHWH had no problems judging people in Old Testament times (and at
times dispensing any judgement whatsoever). Why suddenly he needs to
legitimate his judgement before his creations? This makes no sense. If
YHWH knows everything from past, present and future and is always the
same, it doesn't make sense to change his modus operandi, his plans,
his mind. He is supposed to be *perfect*, immutable through all time.
Ensjo.
RetroProphet
>>Why God couldnt or didnt save mankind with less gruesome tactics?
>
>If you don't believe in God, it's a meaningless question. If you do,
>you should realize God can do anything and you cannot question his
>ways.
What if one hasn't decided whether or not one believes
and is trying to decide?
In this case, it's not a meaningless question,
and one would wish to guard against potentially
meaningless answers such as "realize God can do
anything and you cannot question His ways."
Ensjo
> Believers in God almighty are continuing to grow - now 53% of
> the current world population.
Yes, History is cyclical. It seems a new Dark Age is coming. Let's
just hope the next Renaissance won't take too long to arrive.
Ensjo.
Icarus
Indeed. Whatever question you ask, the theist can always come
back with the irrefutable answer: "That's the way god wanted to
do it, therefore by definition it's the best way, and it's not
our place to know or understand why".
Cindy
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:fh7sg0tc264lhqkfb...@4ax.com...
> On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 14:01:26 +0800, bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Remember, each time you mention 'the word of God' you must point skywards,
>>as that is
>>where He is supposed to be, just above the clouds.
>
> Good grief, now I know why you are an atheist.
>
than he does. LOL
Cindy
Cindy
> On 1 Aug 2004 15:41:39 -0700, RetroProphet
> <RetroProp...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>>>That's why God never goes away, but the other names have disappeared from
>>>sight.
>
>>The other gods have disappeared, that is to say that they have been
>>proven to have been imaginary, after all their believers disappeared.
>>Works every time.
>>We have not yet had the opportunity to test the theory out on yours.
>>Some day...
>
> Believers in God almighty are continuing to grow - now 53% of the current
> world
> population.
Sure, many people believe in a "God", just not the bible "God".
You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it
turns out that God hates all the same people you do. ~Anne Lamott
Cindy
> On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 13:57:36 +0800, bob young <alasp...@netvigator.com>
> wrote:
>
>>And your god *does* exist? Then you are an 'almighty brain dead fool'
>
> Why? Me: win (hopefully)/no win. You: lose/no win. No win comes into
> play if there is
> no almighty God.
>
>>By the way, why do you insist on your sky pixie being 'almighty'. If you
>>follow an almighty
>>mythical invisible god, does it make you feel better, stronger, more
>>powerful, more
>>influential, more arrogent?
>
> Because he is ALL MIGHTY.
>
>>To believe in God or in a guiding force because someone tells you to is
>>the height of
>>stupidity.
>
> No one told me to except as a youngster. Now I'm firmly convinced of this
> truth.
As are Billions of Hindu's of their truth!
Cindy
> On 1 Aug 2004 14:15:44 -0700, RetroProphet
> <RetroProp...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>
>>It's so wonderful to watch folks whose entire worldview
>>rests on blind faith trying to utilize logical reasoning
>>to make sense of their mythos, as if they would take
>>reasoning seriously at all if push came to shove.
>
>>Jesus could not possibly experience the same exposure to
>>life as mortal humans because he seemed to know for certain
>>that God existed.
>
> Yet you yourself were never crucified on a cross.
>
>>He did not need to take this on faith,
>>but we are required to.
>
> You don't have to. You are asked to. And not blindly, but in accordance
> with "love for
> one another as God loves you".
>
> Now what's so hard about that?
If you are talking about bible "God", surely you jest!
Bible "God", if that book is to be believed, would fry your ass in Hell,
doesn't sound like love to me.
Cindy
> On 1 Aug 2004 20:40:20 -0700, en...@yahoo.com.br (Ensjo) wrote:
>
>>> I personally profess, seeing as Jesus will be the one to meet us at the
>>> gate and then stand in judgment of us, that God decided that Jesus would
>>> experience the same exposure to life and it's events as all mankind does
>>> yet never said "yes" to the evil things the way we human do.
>
>>In other words, you profess that YHWH isn't omniscient. IF he was
>>omniscient, he would KNOW how it feels like being human, not needing
>>to appeal to such a crazy experience.
>
> He wants us to choose him, and if we don't, we now have one that
> experienced the same
> things as us and much worst, but never sinned, to judge us.
If bible "God" knows everything, doesn't he already know who will choose him
or not? So he's just teasing you, eh?
Cindy
> On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 01:21:34 GMT, Don < calldonREMOVE IT
> @something.net> wrote:
>
>
>>>But God did, in the story of Sodom and Gohmorrah. What do you think
>>>"wanting to get to
>>>'know them' means"?
>
>>According to the context, it would be rape, not an issue of sexuality
>>at all.
>
> Hey, according to history, homosexuality was the highest order of love in
> those days.
>
>>Duke, do you think ALL THE MEN in the city were gay? Do you think ALL
>>the men and boys (as the passage mentions) were gay?
>
> No. And God drew the line at "if only 10 were innocent, I won't destroy
> the city".
>
You mean to say that there were not at least 10 babies in the city?
Cindy
> On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 02:14:16 GMT, Don < calldonREMOVE IT
> @something.net> wrote:
>
>>>So what would you have done, if you were God, mankind was sinful, and you
>>>wnated to redeem them?
>
>>Since they were God's own handiwork, performing as God created them to
>>perform, why do they need some sort of special "redeeming?"
>
> Yes, we were given a free will because we were created in his likeness and
> image. With a
> free will, we are given a chance to choose God or reject God.
Where in the bible does it say "we were given a free will"?
Cindy
"Henru! Rustic" <ť@ Z. > wrote in message
news:9v7sg091dg4chpvv7...@news-server.satx.rr.com...
> On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:56:24 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> blurted:
>
>>On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 14:46:31 -0400, "JTEM" <gymr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Nowhere in the bible does Jesus ever once mention
>>>homosexuality, never mind condemn it.
>>
>>"wanting
>>to get to 'know them' means"?
>
> =====================================
> Genesis 13:13 - But the men of Sodom {were} wicked and sinners before the
> LORD
> exceedingly.
So if the bible is to be believed, the bible God is going to punish everyone
for the sins of the men?
What about the children and women and babies?
Billy Goat
> eric...@my-deja.com (Billy Goat) wrote in message news:<6bd3c70a.04080...@posting.google.com>...
> > shank...@yahoo.com (Shan) wrote in message news:<71bd538c.04080...@posting.google.com>...
> > > Hunter,
> > >
> > > You didn't hunt well. My response to this has been in this NG for
> > > months which responds also to the real value of the old Jewish
> > > sacrificial system.
> > <snip>
> >
> > > How does one receive atonement from God through the blood of an
> > > animal? If I were to kill my brother then sacrifice a lamb at the
> > > Temple, how can a lamb equal my brother's life? It cannot.
> >
> > You're missing the point of the question. The very *concept* of
> > sacrifice as "atonement" makes no sense. If you were to kill your
> > brother, then a sacrifice at the Temple (be it animal or human) would
> > only compound the crime: instead of taking one life, you have taken
> > two. How can this possibly help? Do two wrongs make a right in God's
> > eyes?
> >
> > It seems to me that atonement for the taking of a life would have to
> > involve the creation of a new life, not the taking of another.
>
> You did not read the full post and therefore MISUNDERSTOOD BIG TIME.
> Read again, I wrote "How can a lamb equal my brother's life? IT
> CANNOT."
You ask, How does one receive atonement from God through the blood of
an animal?
I'm asking you, How does one receive atonement from God through the
blood of Jesus? How does one receive atonement from God through
*bloodshed*, full stop?
Why would it work? Why would anyone be insane enough to *think* it
would work? "I just spilled someone's blood. Maybe if I spilled more
blood, I can make it better..." That's insane.
Suppose somebody told you: "If you break a mirror, you'll get seven
years of bad luck." Wouldn't you question that? Wouldn't you wonder
what the connection was between a broken mirror and bad luck? How
could one possibly cause the other? What's the connection? There
doesn't seem to be one.
I'm asking you what the *connection* is between blood sacrifice and
atonement.
How does murdering Jesus accomplish anything? It's just more murder.
If murder is evil, then murdering Jesus is also evil. How does evil
atone for evil? Do two wrongs make a right in God's eyes?
--Billy
Malcolm
"Cindy" <ci...@nospam.com> wrote
>
> > Yes, we were given a free will because we were created in his likeness
and
> > image. With a free will, we are given a chance to choose God or reject
> > God.
>
> Where in the bible does it say "we were given a free will"?
>
apologetics isn't even mentioned in the Bible, as far as I am aware. That
tells us something.
Malcolm
"Cindy" <ci...@nospam.com> wrote
>
> So if the bible is to be believed, the bible God is going to punish
everyone
> for the sins of the men?
>
> What about the children and women and babies?
>
As for the women, it is the sins of the men that count in God's eyes. The
sin of Adam, not the sin of Eve, was the one that got Man thrown out of
Eden.
Malcolm
"RetroProphet" <RetroProp...@newsguy.com> wrote
>
> Discovering that God is undoubtedly real would not impact my
> free will at all. I am still just as free as before to obey or
> disobey whatever God commands me to do. Just because you make
> the assumption that I will undoubtedly do whatever God says
> I should, doesn't mean that I will or MUST.
>
Lets tell a little scince fiction story.
One day an alien spaceship landed on earth. "We are aliens from the planet
Zog", anounced the occupants. "We come in peace. Actually we are on a
scientific mission, and apart from taking a few soil samples we expect to
leave you pretty much alone as long as you leave us alone. However to show
friendship we'll take some of you on a tour of the ship, and if you've got
any questions about Zog, or how ship works, or what we're looking for here
we'll be happy to answer".
It is apparent that the alien science and technology is way way superior to
our own. One scientist finds out that Zogians are also composed of proteins,
though with a slightly different amino acid set, and on futher questioning
is rewarded with an explanation of the protein folding problem. A medical
researcher asks some questions about cancer, and they explain how to arrest
the disease.
After a few years, it is obvious that this is totally fatal to human
science. Why do any experiments when you can just ask the Zogians and get
the answer?
Another development is that people start asking the Zogians for their
opionion on ethical issues, such as "is it right to eat meat?".
At this point the Zogian commander calls a meeting. "This isn't working" he
says to his subordinates, "we want to be friends with the humans but the
effects of answering every question are most undesireable. So I propose a
new policy. We'll write down a few of our basic scientific and ethical
principles in a book, to get them started, but from now on no more questions
will be answered."
So that's what they did. A medium sized tome was delivered, and then the
Zogians flew away.
Now what do you think of the actins of the Zogian commander?
Shan
> "Henru! Rustic" <?@ Z. > wrote in message
> > On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 16:56:24 -0500, duke <duckg...@cox.net> blurted:
> >
> >>On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 14:46:31 -0400, "JTEM" <gymr...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>Nowhere in the bible does Jesus ever once mention
> >>>homosexuality, never mind condemn it.
> >>
> >>But God did, in the story of Sodom and Gohmorrah. What do you think
> >>"wanting
> >>to get to 'know them' means"?
> >
> > Some context:
> > =====================================
> > Genesis 13:13 - But the men of Sodom {were} wicked and sinners before the
> > LORD
> > exceedingly.
>
> So if the bible is to be believed, the bible God is going to punish everyone
> for the sins of the men?
...and God would be a criminial.
> What about the children and women and babies?
Not only in Sodom the myth of killing children, babies and women but
"He" is supposed to have urged the Israelites to exterminate the
Canaanite including babies, children, women, young and old.
Deuteronomy 7, 12, 20...etc.
> You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it
> turns out that God hates all the same people you do. ~Anne Lamott
Bible writers created God like the ridiculous Roman and Greek gods who
played with people as if they were toys, killing some and perseucting
others. That is what the God of the Old Testament is portrayed as by
the foolish writers.
duke
>Where in the bible does it say "we were given a free will"?
We were made in God's likeness and image. That is not restricted to 2 arms and hands with
5 fingers. That means in his image, and that includes free will.
Aren't you able to make a free decision right now?
>You can safely assume that you've created God in your own image when it
>turns out that God hates all the same people you do. ~Anne Lamott
That's not free will. God hates no one. So the difference is when we hate.