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[Gregory Carr]

The world would be a better place without homosexual sex acts.

The Bible and Talmud and Koran all forbid homosexual sex acts with the punishment being death. Homosexuals are only 1.7% of the CDN population and are overrepresented in the penal system, among the homeless, among the mentally ill with some ppl believing homosexuality itself is a mental illness like pedophilia and necrophilia and bestiality, among the alcoholic and drug addicted, AIDs is primarily a disease of homosexuals it costs CDN tax payers 25k a year to keep them alive. The recent rise in syphilus is caused by homosexual sex acts.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 New International Version (NIV)
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable" (Leviticus 18:22) in the KJV is it is called an ABOMINATION the only word in the whole Bible to be in bold face.

"If a man lies with a man as one lies with woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads" (Leviticus 20:13).

1 TIMOTHY 1:10
KJ21 for whoremongers, for those who defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjurers, and for whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine
ASV for fornicators, for abusers of themselves with men, for menstealers, for liars, for false swearers, and if there be any other thing contrary to the sound doctrine;
and for sexually immoral persons, for homosexuals, for kidnappers and slave traders, for liars, for perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,

Romans 1:26-27

Paul writes: "God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

Jude 1:7
"Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." (KJV)


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Gordon Radavich is from Serbia a Slav a Untermensch.

Even Hitler looked down on slavs! LOL

"As for the ridiculous hundred million Slavs, we will mould the best
of them as we see fit, and we will isolate the rest of them in their
own pig-styes; and anyone who talks about cherishing the local
inhabitants and civilising them, goes straight off into a
concentration camp!"
Adolph Hitler, speaking about Slavic Untermensch like Gordon, 6 August
1942.

During the last century it was lamentable for those who had to witness
it, to notice how in these circles I have just mentioned the word
'Germanize' was frivolously played with, though the practice was often
well intended. I well remember how in the days of my youth this very
term used to give rise to notions which were false to an incredible
degree. Even in Pan-German circles one heard the opinion expressed
that the Austrian Germans might very well succeed in Germanizing the
Austrian Slavs, if only the Government would be ready to co-operate.
Those people did not understand that a policy of Germanization can be
carried out only as regards human beings.
-Adolph Hitler, Mein Kampf, Chapter 2

Slavs are a mass of inborn slaves, who feel the need of a master.
-Adolph Hitler, Hitler’s Table Talk: 1941-1944

[P+Barker]

Gregory Carr <gregorycarrit...@gmail.com> wrote:

>The world would be a better place without homosexual sex acts.

OK then.

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 06:51:26 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Gregory Carr <gregorycarrit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>The world would be a better place without homosexual sex acts.
>
>OK then.

All homosexuals will be removed from this earth shortly. Now is their
time to change or cease that life style. 1 Cor 6:9-11,

"9 Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s
Kingdom? Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters,
adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice
homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and
extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. 11 And yet that is what
some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been
sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord
Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God." (NWT)

James
The Bible is truths
www.jw.org

[Lucifer]

On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 07:38:41 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

>On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 06:51:26 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Gregory Carr <gregorycarrit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>The world would be a better place without homosexual sex acts.
>>
>>OK then.
>
>All homosexuals will be removed from this earth shortly. Now is their
>time to change or cease that life style. 1 Cor 6:9-11,

Don't you think God knew what he was doing when he designed
our brain?

>"9 Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s
>Kingdom?

I thought God murdered all the unrighteous people at the flood.

>Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters,
>adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice
>homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and
>extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. 11 And yet that is what
>some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been
>sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord
>Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God." (NWT)

Did God amend his design?

>James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 18:49:11 +1000, Lucifer
<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 07:38:41 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 06:51:26 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>
>>wrote:
>>
>>>Gregory Carr <gregorycarrit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>The world would be a better place without homosexual sex acts.
>>>
>>>OK then.
>>
>>All homosexuals will be removed from this earth shortly. Now is their
>>time to change or cease that life style. 1 Cor 6:9-11,
>
>Don't you think God knew what he was doing when he designed
>our brain?

More than you will ever know.

>
>>"9 Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s
>>Kingdom?
>
>I thought God murdered all the unrighteous people at the flood.

So, you are calling yourself righteous? Be my guest.

>
>>Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters,
>>adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice
>>homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and
>>extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. 11 And yet that is what
>>some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been
>>sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord
>>Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God." (NWT)
>
>Did God amend his design?

Humans changed His design into imperfection. God will put it back to
its perfect state again shortly.

James
The Bible is truths
www.jw.org



>

>>James

[Lucifer]

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 11:34:09 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

>On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 18:49:11 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 07:38:41 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 06:51:26 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>
>>>wrote:
>>>
>>>>Gregory Carr <gregorycarrit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>The world would be a better place without homosexual sex acts.
>>>>
>>>>OK then.
>>>
>>>All homosexuals will be removed from this earth shortly. Now is their
>>>time to change or cease that life style. 1 Cor 6:9-11,
>>
>>Don't you think God knew what he was doing when he designed
>>our brain?
>
>More than you will ever know.

Thank you.

>>>"9 Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s
>>>Kingdom?
>>
>>I thought God murdered all the unrighteous people at the flood.
>
>So, you are calling yourself righteous? Be my guest.

Didn't you say the purpose of the flood was to remove the
unrighteous from the earth?

>>>Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters,
>>>adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice
>>>homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and
>>>extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. 11 And yet that is what
>>>some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been
>>>sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord
>>>Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God." (NWT)
>>
>>Did God amend his design?
>
>Humans changed His design into imperfection. God will put it back to
>its perfect state again shortly.

That shows God KNOWS he did wrong by creating things
the way they are.
Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended
his design?

>James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Sat, 19 Jun 2021 09:29:12 +1000, Lucifer

<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 11:34:09 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 18:49:11 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 07:38:41 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 06:51:26 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>
>>>>wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Gregory Carr <gregorycarrit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>The world would be a better place without homosexual sex acts.
>>>>>
>>>>>OK then.
>>>>
>>>>All homosexuals will be removed from this earth shortly. Now is their
>>>>time to change or cease that life style. 1 Cor 6:9-11,
>>>
>>>Don't you think God knew what he was doing when he designed
>>>our brain?
>>
>>More than you will ever know.
>
>Thank you.
>
>>>>"9 Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s
>>>>Kingdom?
>>>
>>>I thought God murdered all the unrighteous people at the flood.
>>
>>So, you are calling yourself righteous? Be my guest.
>
>Didn't you say the purpose of the flood was to remove the
>unrighteous from the earth?

Yes, at that time. But it starts all over again when Noah and his
family left the ark.

>
>>>>Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters,
>>>>adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice
>>>>homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and
>>>>extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. 11 And yet that is what
>>>>some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been
>>>>sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord
>>>>Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God." (NWT)
>>>
>>>Did God amend his design?
>>
>>Humans changed His design into imperfection. God will put it back to
>>its perfect state again shortly.
>
>That shows God KNOWS he did wrong by creating things
>the way they are.

You are continually forgetting one thing. A PERFECT person with free
will CAN sin. Also, God plans things to exist for an eternity. We can
think ahead for maybe 1 or 2 years. God can do it for an eternity.

Thus when God created Adam and Eve, he designed them so that they
would never die if they obeyed Him. And enjoy life 100%. But even if
they disobeyed Him (God did not look ahead to see), God had plans to
eventually bring the whole human race back to perfection and willful
righteousness. (willful righteousness, not robotic righteousness)

What history has shown is that humans cannot SUCCESSFULLY govern
themselves. They have tried every from of government, but none of them
totally successful. We still have suffering, unhappiness, people
starving, homelessness, and wickedness, and death, etc.

We need God to govern us, so He can remove all those bad things and
restore the human body to perfection again. Jer 10:23,

"I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him.
It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step."
(NWT)

>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended
>his design?

God knows no such thing. He planned for Adam and Eve to be around
forever if they obeyed Him. And He had plans if they didn't. We are
getting up to the end of His plans as we speak.

[Lucifer]

Is God playing games with us?

It's not easy to overcome God's ineptness but we have achieved
much. When we relied on God our lifespan was 30 years.

>We need God to govern us, so He can remove all those bad things and
>restore the human body to perfection again. Jer 10:23,
>
>"I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him.
>It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step."
>(NWT)
>
>>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended
>>his design?
>
>God knows no such thing.

How can you say that? God says he will fix the problems
caused by his poor design so he obviously knows.

>He planned for Adam and Eve to be around
>forever if they obeyed Him.

Then God set about ensuring they would disobey him.
Please go on.

>And He had plans if they didn't. We are
>getting up to the end of His plans as we speak.

We are all just collateral damage, right?
Is it possible God thinks he is playing a computer game?

>James

[Lucifer]

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Fri, 25 Jun 2021 08:39:17 +1000, Lucifer

No, that would be Satan.

>
>>>>>>Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters,
>>>>>>adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice
>>>>>>homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and
>>>>>>extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. 11 And yet that is what
>>>>>>some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been
>>>>>>sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord
>>>>>>Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God." (NWT)
>>>>>
>>>>>Did God amend his design?
>>>>
>>>>Humans changed His design into imperfection. God will put it back to
>>>>its perfect state again shortly.
>>>
>>>That shows God KNOWS he did wrong by creating things
>>>the way they are.
>>
>>You are continually forgetting one thing. A PERFECT person with free
>>will CAN sin. Also, God plans things to exist for an eternity. We can
>>think ahead for maybe 1 or 2 years. God can do it for an eternity.
>>
>>Thus when God created Adam and Eve, he designed them so that they
>>would never die if they obeyed Him. And enjoy life 100%. But even if
>>they disobeyed Him (God did not look ahead to see), God had plans to
>>eventually bring the whole human race back to perfection and willful
>>righteousness. (willful righteousness, not robotic righteousness)
>
>That shows God KNOWS he did wrong by creating things
>the way they are.

The way they ARE today, is not the way they WERE. That is two
different time periods and circumstances.

>
>>What history has shown is that humans cannot SUCCESSFULLY govern
>>themselves. They have tried every from of government, but none of them
>>totally successful. We still have suffering, unhappiness, people
>>starving, homelessness, and wickedness, and death, etc.
>
>It's not easy to overcome God's ineptness but we have achieved
>much. When we relied on God our lifespan was 30 years.

It was shorter a little time back, but was not 30 years.

For instance, one of the ancient Egyptian Pharoes lived to be around
100 years. And they didn't even have the better nutrition that we have
today.

>
>>We need God to govern us, so He can remove all those bad things and
>>restore the human body to perfection again. Jer 10:23,
>>
>>"I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him.
>>It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step."
>>(NWT)
>>
>>>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended
>>>his design?
>>
>>God knows no such thing.
>
>How can you say that? God says he will fix the problems
>caused by his poor design so he obviously knows.

His design was perfect. It took disobedience to mess things up. And
God evened warned them what would happen if they disobeyed.

>
>>He planned for Adam and Eve to be around
>>forever if they obeyed Him.
>
>Then God set about ensuring they would disobey him.
>Please go on.

Eve was tricked by the snake (Satan), but Adam was not. He willfully
disobeyed God. He has the greater sin. And is solely responsible for
messing up all his offspring (us). Rom 5:12,

"That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and
death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all
sinned."

>
>>And He had plans if they didn't. We are
>>getting up to the end of His plans as we speak.
>
>We are all just collateral damage, right?

In a way, I guess you could see it that way. But Adam caused the
collateral damage, not God.

>Is it possible God thinks he is playing a computer game?

A computer game isn't real. And just like depression, life is real.

[Lucifer]

God uses Satan like a computer game?

>>>>>>>Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters,
>>>>>>>adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice
>>>>>>>homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and
>>>>>>>extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. 11 And yet that is what
>>>>>>>some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been
>>>>>>>sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord
>>>>>>>Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God." (NWT)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Did God amend his design?
>>>>>
>>>>>Humans changed His design into imperfection. God will put it back to
>>>>>its perfect state again shortly.
>>>>
>>>>That shows God KNOWS he did wrong by creating things
>>>>the way they are.
>>>
>>>You are continually forgetting one thing. A PERFECT person with free
>>>will CAN sin. Also, God plans things to exist for an eternity. We can
>>>think ahead for maybe 1 or 2 years. God can do it for an eternity.
>>>
>>>Thus when God created Adam and Eve, he designed them so that they
>>>would never die if they obeyed Him. And enjoy life 100%. But even if
>>>they disobeyed Him (God did not look ahead to see), God had plans to
>>>eventually bring the whole human race back to perfection and willful
>>>righteousness. (willful righteousness, not robotic righteousness)
>>
>>That shows God KNOWS he did wrong by creating things
>>the way they are.
>
>The way they ARE today, is not the way they WERE. That is two
>different time periods and circumstances.

Which time period are you and I living in?

>>>What history has shown is that humans cannot SUCCESSFULLY govern
>>>themselves. They have tried every from of government, but none of them
>>>totally successful. We still have suffering, unhappiness, people
>>>starving, homelessness, and wickedness, and death, etc.
>>
>>It's not easy to overcome God's ineptness but we have achieved
>>much. When we relied on God our lifespan was 30 years.
>
>It was shorter a little time back, but was not 30 years.
>
>For instance, one of the ancient Egyptian Pharoes lived to be around
>100 years. And they didn't even have the better nutrition that we have
>today.

Do we have scientific proof of that?

>>>We need God to govern us, so He can remove all those bad things and
>>>restore the human body to perfection again. Jer 10:23,
>>>
>>>"I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him.
>>>It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step."
>>>(NWT)
>>>
>>>>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended
>>>>his design?
>>>
>>>God knows no such thing.
>>
>>How can you say that? God says he will fix the problems
>>caused by his poor design so he obviously knows.
>
>His design was perfect. It took disobedience to mess things up. And
>God evened warned them what would happen if they disobeyed.

God warned them he would amend his design?

>>>He planned for Adam and Eve to be around
>>>forever if they obeyed Him.
>>
>>Then God set about ensuring they would disobey him.
>>Please go on.
>
>Eve was tricked by the snake (Satan), but Adam was not. He willfully
>disobeyed God. He has the greater sin. And is solely responsible for
>messing up all his offspring (us). Rom 5:12,
>
>"That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and
>death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all
>sinned."

Did God know what he was doing when he created Adam?

>>>And He had plans if they didn't. We are
>>>getting up to the end of His plans as we speak.
>>
>>We are all just collateral damage, right?
>
>In a way, I guess you could see it that way. But Adam caused the
>collateral damage, not God.

God caused Adam, right?

>>Is it possible God thinks he is playing a computer game?
>
>A computer game isn't real. And just like depression, life is real.

Why have you chosen to be depressed?

>James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Sat, 26 Jun 2021 10:33:04 +1000, Lucifer

Actually He uses him as a test for loyalty. We our not living in our
universe. It is God's universe. We are invited guests. Our 'Landlord'
will give us some super great benefits, if we are found to be worthy
of them.

Did you know, during the 1000 year reign of Christ, Satan will be
locked up in his 'jail' during that time. Thus there will be total
peace on the earth then. But after the 1000 years are up, Satan will
be let loose again "for a little while".

Thus a second test will occur. Those that get an F-, will be tossed
into the symbolic lake of fire. Those that are left will be found
tried and true and will live forever on a Paradise earth.

The 'after Adam sinned' time period. But think about it. If Adam had
NOT sinned, we wouldn't be here. Adam's descendants would have taken a
different genetic path. So in a way, we owe our personal lives to
Adam. (that doesn't sound right, does it) At any rate, that is how I
see it.

>
>>>>What history has shown is that humans cannot SUCCESSFULLY govern
>>>>themselves. They have tried every from of government, but none of them
>>>>totally successful. We still have suffering, unhappiness, people
>>>>starving, homelessness, and wickedness, and death, etc.
>>>
>>>It's not easy to overcome God's ineptness but we have achieved
>>>much. When we relied on God our lifespan was 30 years.
>>
>>It was shorter a little time back, but was not 30 years.
>>
>>For instance, one of the ancient Egyptian Pharoes lived to be around
>>100 years. And they didn't even have the better nutrition that we have
>>today.
>
>Do we have scientific proof of that?

Yes, that is written about in various literature. Notice:

"People also ask
How long did Pepi II live?
Image result for pepi II
100 years
Pepi II, According to tradition, lived to the age of 100 years and
ruled for 96 of them. His elder brother, the pharaoh Merenra, reigned
for only a few years and when he suddenly died, Pepi became king while
still a child."
https://www.google.com/search?q=pepi+II&sa=Google+Search

>
>>>>We need God to govern us, so He can remove all those bad things and
>>>>restore the human body to perfection again. Jer 10:23,
>>>>
>>>>"I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him.
>>>>It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step."
>>>>(NWT)
>>>>
>>>>>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended
>>>>>his design?
>>>>
>>>>God knows no such thing.
>>>
>>>How can you say that? God says he will fix the problems
>>>caused by his poor design so he obviously knows.
>>
>>His design was perfect. It took disobedience to mess things up. And
>>God evened warned them what would happen if they disobeyed.
>
>God warned them he would amend his design?

You wish. God has no need to amend His designs since all His ways are
in perfect wisdom

>
>>>>He planned for Adam and Eve to be around
>>>>forever if they obeyed Him.
>>>
>>>Then God set about ensuring they would disobey him.
>>>Please go on.
>>
>>Eve was tricked by the snake (Satan), but Adam was not. He willfully
>>disobeyed God. He has the greater sin. And is solely responsible for
>>messing up all his offspring (us). Rom 5:12,
>>
>>"That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and
>>death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all
>>sinned."
>
>Did God know what he was doing when he created Adam?

God ALWAYS knows what He is doing.

>
>>>>And He had plans if they didn't. We are
>>>>getting up to the end of His plans as we speak.
>>>
>>>We are all just collateral damage, right?
>>
>>In a way, I guess you could see it that way. But Adam caused the
>>collateral damage, not God.
>
>God caused Adam, right?

Yes, God created Adam. Then Adam abused his free will.

>
>>>Is it possible God thinks he is playing a computer game?
>>
>>A computer game isn't real. And just like depression, life is real.
>
>Why have you chosen to be depressed?

I was referring to your suffering of bouts of depression.

[Lucifer]

No he doesn't. God knows how he made us.

>We our not living in our
>universe. It is God's universe. We are invited guests. Our 'Landlord'
>will give us some super great benefits, if we are found to be worthy
>of them.

I've heard of that sort of thing. A pedophile keeps a child in
their dungeon so they can repeatedly rape them.

>Did you know, during the 1000 year reign of Christ, Satan will be
>locked up in his 'jail' during that time.

Hitler did talk about a 1000 year Reich.

>Thus there will be total
>peace on the earth then. But after the 1000 years are up, Satan will
>be let loose again "for a little while".

You think God is a robot mindlessly following a script.

>Thus a second test will occur. Those that get an F-, will be tossed
>into the symbolic lake of fire. Those that are left will be found
>tried and true and will live forever on a Paradise earth.

Next door to a pedophile.

I have been telling you that. We owe our gains to Adam's
courages defiance of God.

>>>>>What history has shown is that humans cannot SUCCESSFULLY govern
>>>>>themselves. They have tried every from of government, but none of them
>>>>>totally successful. We still have suffering, unhappiness, people
>>>>>starving, homelessness, and wickedness, and death, etc.
>>>>
>>>>It's not easy to overcome God's ineptness but we have achieved
>>>>much. When we relied on God our lifespan was 30 years.
>>>
>>>It was shorter a little time back, but was not 30 years.
>>>
>>>For instance, one of the ancient Egyptian Pharoes lived to be around
>>>100 years. And they didn't even have the better nutrition that we have
>>>today.
>>
>>Do we have scientific proof of that?
>
>Yes, that is written about in various literature. Notice:
>
>"People also ask
>How long did Pepi II live?
>Image result for pepi II
>100 years
>Pepi II, According to tradition, lived to the age of 100 years and
>ruled for 96 of them. His elder brother, the pharaoh Merenra, reigned
>for only a few years and when he suddenly died, Pepi became king while
>still a child."
>https://www.google.com/search?q=pepi+II&sa=Google+Search

Tradition. So no scientific proof.

>>>>>We need God to govern us, so He can remove all those bad things and
>>>>>restore the human body to perfection again. Jer 10:23,
>>>>>
>>>>>"I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him.
>>>>>It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step."
>>>>>(NWT)
>>>>>
>>>>>>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended
>>>>>>his design?
>>>>>
>>>>>God knows no such thing.
>>>>
>>>>How can you say that? God says he will fix the problems
>>>>caused by his poor design so he obviously knows.
>>>
>>>His design was perfect. It took disobedience to mess things up. And
>>>God evened warned them what would happen if they disobeyed.
>>
>>God warned them he would amend his design?
>
>You wish.

We all wish that!

>God has no need to amend His designs since all His ways are
>in perfect wisdom

You are happy to live with your children when there is a
pedophile next door?

>>>>>He planned for Adam and Eve to be around
>>>>>forever if they obeyed Him.
>>>>
>>>>Then God set about ensuring they would disobey him.
>>>>Please go on.
>>>
>>>Eve was tricked by the snake (Satan), but Adam was not. He willfully
>>>disobeyed God. He has the greater sin. And is solely responsible for
>>>messing up all his offspring (us). Rom 5:12,
>>>
>>>"That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and
>>>death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all
>>>sinned."
>>
>>Did God know what he was doing when he created Adam?
>
>God ALWAYS knows what He is doing.

So God was being malicious when he designed Adam to
cause our downfall?

>>>>>And He had plans if they didn't. We are
>>>>>getting up to the end of His plans as we speak.
>>>>
>>>>We are all just collateral damage, right?
>>>
>>>In a way, I guess you could see it that way. But Adam caused the
>>>collateral damage, not God.
>>
>>God caused Adam, right?
>
>Yes, God created Adam. Then Adam abused his free will.

So we are back to God being responsible for all our problems.
You need to stop obsessing about how God abuses us and
just accept that your God is evil.

>>>>Is it possible God thinks he is playing a computer game?
>>>
>>>A computer game isn't real. And just like depression, life is real.
>>
>>Why have you chosen to be depressed?
>
>I was referring to your suffering of bouts of depression.

I'm asking Why have you chosen to be depressed?

You made the claim.

>James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 09:38:17 +1000, Lucifer

Adam's defiance of God was stupidity. He knew better yet still sinned.
At any rate, can't undo spilled milk.

>
>>>>>>What history has shown is that humans cannot SUCCESSFULLY govern
>>>>>>themselves. They have tried every from of government, but none of them
>>>>>>totally successful. We still have suffering, unhappiness, people
>>>>>>starving, homelessness, and wickedness, and death, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>It's not easy to overcome God's ineptness but we have achieved
>>>>>much. When we relied on God our lifespan was 30 years.
>>>>
>>>>It was shorter a little time back, but was not 30 years.
>>>>
>>>>For instance, one of the ancient Egyptian Pharoes lived to be around
>>>>100 years. And they didn't even have the better nutrition that we have
>>>>today.
>>>
>>>Do we have scientific proof of that?
>>
>>Yes, that is written about in various literature. Notice:
>>
>>"People also ask
>>How long did Pepi II live?
>>Image result for pepi II
>>100 years
>>Pepi II, According to tradition, lived to the age of 100 years and
>>ruled for 96 of them. His elder brother, the pharaoh Merenra, reigned
>>for only a few years and when he suddenly died, Pepi became king while
>>still a child."
>>https://www.google.com/search?q=pepi+II&sa=Google+Search
>
>Tradition. So no scientific proof.

There were other pharos that lived to ninety:

"Ramesses II
Born c. 1303 BC
Died 1213 BC (aged approximately 90)
Burial KV7
Monuments Abu Simbel, Abydos, Ramesseum, Luxor, Karnak"

>
>>>>>>We need God to govern us, so He can remove all those bad things and
>>>>>>restore the human body to perfection again. Jer 10:23,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him.
>>>>>>It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step."
>>>>>>(NWT)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended
>>>>>>>his design?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God knows no such thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>How can you say that? God says he will fix the problems
>>>>>caused by his poor design so he obviously knows.
>>>>
>>>>His design was perfect. It took disobedience to mess things up. And
>>>>God evened warned them what would happen if they disobeyed.
>>>
>>>God warned them he would amend his design?
>>
>>You wish.
>
>We all wish that!

Wishes are like fishes. Sometimes they get away.

>
>>God has no need to amend His designs since all His ways are
>>in perfect wisdom
>
>You are happy to live with your children when there is a
>pedophile next door?

What do you think?

But doing it your way, there could be one next door to you, for all
eternity. Doing it God's way, there would not always be one there, for
ever.

>
>>>>>>He planned for Adam and Eve to be around
>>>>>>forever if they obeyed Him.
>>>>>
>>>>>Then God set about ensuring they would disobey him.
>>>>>Please go on.
>>>>
>>>>Eve was tricked by the snake (Satan), but Adam was not. He willfully
>>>>disobeyed God. He has the greater sin. And is solely responsible for
>>>>messing up all his offspring (us). Rom 5:12,
>>>>
>>>>"That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and
>>>>death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all
>>>>sinned."
>>>
>>>Did God know what he was doing when he created Adam?
>>
>>God ALWAYS knows what He is doing.
>
>So God was being malicious when he designed Adam to
>cause our downfall?

As you said, we are in a way, collateral damage.

>
>>>>>>And He had plans if they didn't. We are
>>>>>>getting up to the end of His plans as we speak.
>>>>>
>>>>>We are all just collateral damage, right?
>>>>
>>>>In a way, I guess you could see it that way. But Adam caused the
>>>>collateral damage, not God.
>>>
>>>God caused Adam, right?
>>
>>Yes, God created Adam. Then Adam abused his free will.
>
>So we are back to God being responsible for all our problems.
>You need to stop obsessing about how God abuses us and
>just accept that your God is evil.

Satan is evil. Saying God is evil, is evil. Do you always like to be
playing the "Devil's advocate"?

>
>>>>>Is it possible God thinks he is playing a computer game?
>>>>
>>>>A computer game isn't real. And just like depression, life is real.
>>>
>>>Why have you chosen to be depressed?
>>
>>I was referring to your suffering of bouts of depression.
>
>I'm asking Why have you chosen to be depressed?
>
>You made the claim.

Prove it please.

[Gregory Carr]

I think James means economic depression which of course can lead to mental health problems which have increased since the pandemic hit.

[Lucifer]

Perhaps, but as you said we are better off because of
Adam's courage.

>He knew better yet still sinned.

God was determined.

>At any rate, can't undo spilled milk.

God can. God can even prevent cows being exploited.

Hence your depression.

>>>God has no need to amend His designs since all His ways are
>>>in perfect wisdom
>>
>>You are happy to live with your children when there is a
>>pedophile next door?
>
>What do you think?

You say you approve of all God's ways.

>But doing it your way, there could be one next door to you, for all
>eternity.

What way is my way?

>Doing it God's way, there would not always be one there, for
>ever.

God says he will fix the problems caused by his poor design so he

obviously knows he did wrong.

>>>>>>>He planned for Adam and Eve to be around
>>>>>>>forever if they obeyed Him.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Then God set about ensuring they would disobey him.
>>>>>>Please go on.
>>>>>
>>>>>Eve was tricked by the snake (Satan), but Adam was not. He willfully
>>>>>disobeyed God. He has the greater sin. And is solely responsible for
>>>>>messing up all his offspring (us). Rom 5:12,
>>>>>
>>>>>"That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and
>>>>>death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all
>>>>>sinned."
>>>>
>>>>Did God know what he was doing when he created Adam?
>>>
>>>God ALWAYS knows what He is doing.
>>
>>So God was being malicious when he designed Adam to
>>cause our downfall?
>
>As you said, we are in a way, collateral damage.

Gay Byrne:
... suppose it's all true and you walk up to the pearly gates and you
are confronted by God. What would Stephen Fry say to him, her or it?

Stephen Fry:
I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.

And you think you're going to get in?

Oh, but I wouldn't want to. I wouldn't want to get in on his
terms. They're wrong.

Now, if I died and it was Pluto, Hades and if it were the twelve
Greek gods, then I'd have more truck with it because the Greeks didn't
pretend not to be human in their appetites, and in their
capriciousness and their unreasonableness; they didn't present
themselves as being all-seeing, all-wise, all-kind, all-munificent;
because the god who created this universe (if it was created by God)
is, quite clearly, a maniac - utter maniac, totally selfish.

We have to spend our life on our knees thanking him? What kind of
god would do that?

Yes, the world is very splendid, but it also has in it insects
whose whole life-cycle is to burrow into the eyes of children and make
them blind. They eat outwards from the eyes. Why did you do that? Why?
Why did you do that to us? You could easily have made a creation where
that didn't exist. It is simply not acceptable.

So, you know, atheism is not just about not believing there's a
god - but, on the assumption there is one, what kind of god is it?
It's perfectly apparent that he is monstrous, utterly monstrous, and
deserves no respect whatsoever. The moment you banish him your life
becomes simpler, purer, cleaner - more worth living in my opinion.

>>>>>>>And He had plans if they didn't. We are
>>>>>>>getting up to the end of His plans as we speak.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We are all just collateral damage, right?
>>>>>
>>>>>In a way, I guess you could see it that way. But Adam caused the
>>>>>collateral damage, not God.
>>>>
>>>>God caused Adam, right?
>>>
>>>Yes, God created Adam. Then Adam abused his free will.
>>
>>So we are back to God being responsible for all our problems.
>>You need to stop obsessing about how God abuses us and
>>just accept that your God is evil.
>
>Satan is evil.

Bible says Satan was a murderer from the day God created him.

>Saying God is evil, is evil.

How so?
How will God learn otherwise?

>Do you always like to be playing the "Devil's advocate"?

The Devil did not create itself.

>>>>>>Is it possible God thinks he is playing a computer game?
>>>>>
>>>>>A computer game isn't real. And just like depression, life is real.
>>>>
>>>>Why have you chosen to be depressed?
>>>
>>>I was referring to your suffering of bouts of depression.
>>
>>I'm asking Why have you chosen to be depressed?
>>
>>You made the claim.
>
>Prove it please.

You said people choose their personality.

>James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Mon, 28 Jun 2021 15:16:06 +1000, Lucifer

I can see where your mind is. If you don't think so much about such
morbid things, that could help your depression somewhat.

>
>
>
>>>>Did you know, during the 1000 year reign of Christ, Satan will be
>>>>locked up in his 'jail' during that time.
>>>
>>>Hitler did talk about a 1000 year Reich.

I guarantee you it was nothing like Jesus'.

>
>
>
>
>
>>>>Thus there will be total
>>>>peace on the earth then. But after the 1000 years are up, Satan will
>>>>be let loose again "for a little while".
>>>
>>>You think God is a robot mindlessly following a script.

A script is usually written by someone else. God has written what will
happen in the future, thus it will certainly happen.

>
>
>
>
>
>>>>Thus a second test will occur. Those that get an F-, will be tossed
>>>>into the symbolic lake of fire. Those that are left will be found
>>>>tried and true and will live forever on a Paradise earth.
>>>
>>>Next door to a pedophile.

Didn't you listen. The wicked will be thrown into the symbolic lake of
fire, which represents eternal death of no conscienceness.

There is another way to look at that. Still, it would have been better
for all concerned, if Adam had obeyed his Father.

>
>>He knew better yet still sinned.
>
>God was determined.

Yes, He was determined to save mindkind, that is why He gave the first
prophecy of the Biblenin Genesis that eventually saves mankind.

>
>>At any rate, can't undo spilled milk.
>
>God can. God can even prevent cows being exploited.

If cows were not 'harvested', where would your milk come from to go on
your breakfast cereal?

I don't have depression. Mine is panic attacks.

>
>>>>God has no need to amend His designs since all His ways are
>>>>in perfect wisdom
>>>
>>>You are happy to live with your children when there is a
>>>pedophile next door?
>>
>>What do you think?
>
>You say you approve of all God's ways.
>
>>But doing it your way, there could be one next door to you, for all
>>eternity.
>
>What way is my way?

Well, maybe not all eternity for you, but for someone. That is no God,
and when you die, you just go and decompose.

>
>>Doing it God's way, there would not always be one there, for
>>ever.
>
>God says he will fix the problems caused by his poor design so he
>obviously knows he did wrong.

You are putting words in God's mouth. God never had a poor design. (if
you think so, then you must hate yourself)

I have no plans to go to Heaven. If I am worthy, I would like to live
forever on a paradise earth.

>
> Oh, but I wouldn't want to. I wouldn't want to get in on his
>terms. They're wrong.

I wouldn't worry about that if I was you.

>
> Now, if I died and it was Pluto, Hades and if it were the twelve
>Greek gods, then I'd have more truck with it because the Greeks didn't
>pretend not to be human in their appetites, and in their
>capriciousness and their unreasonableness; they didn't present
>themselves as being all-seeing, all-wise, all-kind, all-munificent;
>because the god who created this universe (if it was created by God)
>is, quite clearly, a maniac - utter maniac, totally selfish.

You need to change out of those negative clothes.

>
> We have to spend our life on our knees thanking him? What kind of
>god would do that?

No one said that must be done.

>
> Yes, the world is very splendid, but it also has in it insects
>whose whole life-cycle is to burrow into the eyes of children and make
>them blind. They eat outwards from the eyes. Why did you do that? Why?
>Why did you do that to us? You could easily have made a creation where
>that didn't exist. It is simply not acceptable.

God didn't create such a thing to happen. In the beginning, ALL life
forms were scared of humans. Thus humans always had them in
subjection. WITHOUT ADAM'S SIN, THERE NEVER WAS TO BE SUCH A THING.

>
> So, you know, atheism is not just about not believing there's a
>god - but, on the assumption there is one, what kind of god is it?
>It's perfectly apparent that he is monstrous, utterly monstrous, and
>deserves no respect whatsoever. The moment you banish him your life
>becomes simpler, purer, cleaner - more worth living in my opinion.

Yes, I would join you IF GOD CREATED SUCH THINGS. BUT HE DIDN'T. you
are accusing an innocent being.

>
>>>>>>>>And He had plans if they didn't. We are
>>>>>>>>getting up to the end of His plans as we speak.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We are all just collateral damage, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In a way, I guess you could see it that way. But Adam caused the
>>>>>>collateral damage, not God.
>>>>>
>>>>>God caused Adam, right?
>>>>
>>>>Yes, God created Adam. Then Adam abused his free will.
>>>
>>>So we are back to God being responsible for all our problems.
>>>You need to stop obsessing about how God abuses us and
>>>just accept that your God is evil.
>>
>>Satan is evil.
>
>Bible says Satan was a murderer from the day God created him.

Does it say 'when God created him'? No, it says "In the beginning"

The when Satan started sinning, he started out as a murderer. (he got
Eve and Adam killed)

>
>>Saying God is evil, is evil.
>
>How so?
>How will God learn otherwise?

God already knows almost everything. There is nothing you could teach
Him. But He could teach you a lot.

>
>>Do you always like to be playing the "Devil's advocate"?
>
>The Devil did not create itself.

BEEP! BUZZZ! You lose. That is exactly what Satan did to himself.

>
>>>>>>>Is it possible God thinks he is playing a computer game?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A computer game isn't real. And just like depression, life is real.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why have you chosen to be depressed?
>>>>
>>>>I was referring to your suffering of bouts of depression.
>>>
>>>I'm asking Why have you chosen to be depressed?
>>>
>>>You made the claim.
>>
>>Prove it please.
>
>You said people choose their personality.

For the most part yes, give or take some slight genetic influence. A
serial murder chooses to do what he wants. No one has a gun to his
head.

And no court of law accepts the excuse that bad genes made him do it.
Or his cave man instincts came through. The courts believe each person
has the free will to choose what he does in life.

[Lucifer]

On Mon, 28 Jun 2021 13:27:52 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

>On Mon, 28 Jun 2021 15:16:06 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 07:51:44 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 09:38:17 +1000, Lucifer
>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>>>>>We our not living in our
>>>>>universe. It is God's universe. We are invited guests. Our 'Landlord'
>>>>>will give us some super great benefits, if we are found to be worthy
>>>>>of them.
>>>>
>>>>I've heard of that sort of thing. A pedophile keeps a child in
>>>>their dungeon so they can repeatedly rape them.
>
>I can see where your mind is. If you don't think so much about such
>morbid things, that could help your depression somewhat.

"Everything God does is good."

>>>>>Did you know, during the 1000 year reign of Christ, Satan will be
>>>>>locked up in his 'jail' during that time.
>>>>
>>>>Hitler did talk about a 1000 year Reich.
>
>I guarantee you it was nothing like Jesus'.

The idea was based on the scriptures.

>>>>>Thus there will be total
>>>>>peace on the earth then. But after the 1000 years are up, Satan will
>>>>>be let loose again "for a little while".
>>>>
>>>>You think God is a robot mindlessly following a script.
>
>A script is usually written by someone else. God has written what will
>happen in the future, thus it will certainly happen.

Why has God chosen such a wacky path?

>>>>>Thus a second test will occur. Those that get an F-, will be tossed
>>>>>into the symbolic lake of fire. Those that are left will be found
>>>>>tried and true and will live forever on a Paradise earth.
>>>>
>>>>Next door to a pedophile.
>
>Didn't you listen. The wicked will be thrown into the symbolic lake of
>fire, which represents eternal death of no conscienceness.

According to you pedophiles are not wicked.

"Everything God does is good."

>>>>>>>The way they ARE today, is not the way they WERE. That is two
>>>>>>>different time periods and circumstances.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Which time period are you and I living in?
>>>>>
>>>>>The 'after Adam sinned' time period. But think about it. If Adam had
>>>>>NOT sinned, we wouldn't be here. Adam's descendants would have taken a
>>>>>different genetic path. So in a way, we owe our personal lives to
>>>>>Adam. (that doesn't sound right, does it) At any rate, that is how I
>>>>>see it.
>>>>
>>>>I have been telling you that. We owe our gains to Adam's
>>>>courages defiance of God.
>>>
>>>Adam's defiance of God was stupidity.
>>
>>Perhaps, but as you said we are better off because of
>>Adam's courage.
>
>There is another way to look at that. Still, it would have been better
>for all concerned, if Adam had obeyed his Father.

Adam did what God wanted.

>>>He knew better yet still sinned.
>>
>>God was determined.
>
>Yes, He was determined to save mindkind, that is why He gave the first

>prophecy of the Bible in Genesis that eventually saves mankind.

It gives God something to amuse himself with but what if God
did fix all the problems he caused us? The cycle would repeat
endlessly.

>>>At any rate, can't undo spilled milk.
>>
>>God can. God can even prevent cows being exploited.
>
>If cows were not 'harvested', where would your milk come from to go on
>your breakfast cereal?

Soy beans.
But you say it's all good.

>>>>>>>>>>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended
>>>>>>>>>>his design?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>God knows no such thing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>How can you say that? God says he will fix the problems
>>>>>>>>caused by his poor design so he obviously knows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>His design was perfect. It took disobedience to mess things up. And
>>>>>>>God evened warned them what would happen if they disobeyed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God warned them he would amend his design?
>>>>>
>>>>>You wish.
>>>>
>>>>We all wish that!
>>>
>>>Wishes are like fishes. Sometimes they get away.
>>
>>Hence your depression.
>
>I don't have depression. Mine is panic attacks.

Part of God's perfect design which you say is all good.

>>>>>God has no need to amend His designs since all His ways are
>>>>>in perfect wisdom
>>>>
>>>>You are happy to live with your children when there is a
>>>>pedophile next door?
>>>
>>>What do you think?
>>
>>You say you approve of all God's ways.





>>>But doing it your way, there could be one next door to you, for all
>>>eternity.
>>
>>What way is my way?
>
>Well, maybe not all eternity for you, but for someone. That is no God,
>and when you die, you just go and decompose.

Does it scare you that soon you will cease to exist and will
be forgotten?

>>>Doing it God's way, there would not always be one there, for
>>>ever.
>>
>>God says he will fix the problems caused by his poor design so he
>>obviously knows he did wrong.
>
>You are putting words in God's mouth.

Think of it as a different translation.

In Isaiah 45:7 KJV God himself says he creates evil.
Later translations try to soften that by saying God creates calamity.

>God never had a poor design. (if you think so, then you must hate yourself)

What is God going to fix?

Next door to a pedophile.

>> Oh, but I wouldn't want to. I wouldn't want to get in on his
>>terms. They're wrong.
>
>I wouldn't worry about that if I was you.

I am cursed with empathy.

>> Now, if I died and it was Pluto, Hades and if it were the twelve
>>Greek gods, then I'd have more truck with it because the Greeks didn't
>>pretend not to be human in their appetites, and in their
>>capriciousness and their unreasonableness; they didn't present
>>themselves as being all-seeing, all-wise, all-kind, all-munificent;
>>because the god who created this universe (if it was created by God)
>>is, quite clearly, a maniac - utter maniac, totally selfish.
>
>You need to change out of those negative clothes.

I notice you don't dispute what Stephen Fry said.

>> We have to spend our life on our knees thanking him? What kind of
>>god would do that?
>
>No one said that must be done.
>
>>
>> Yes, the world is very splendid, but it also has in it insects
>>whose whole life-cycle is to burrow into the eyes of children and make
>>them blind. They eat outwards from the eyes. Why did you do that? Why?
>>Why did you do that to us? You could easily have made a creation where
>>that didn't exist. It is simply not acceptable.
>
>God didn't create such a thing to happen.

Bzzzzt!
John 1:3
God created everything through him, and nothing was created except
through him.

>In the beginning, ALL life
>forms were scared of humans. Thus humans always had them in
>subjection.

That's not good.

>WITHOUT ADAM'S SIN, THERE NEVER WAS TO BE SUCH A THING.

GOD DID A VERY GREAT WRONG BY MAKING ADAM SIN.

>> So, you know, atheism is not just about not believing there's a
>>god - but, on the assumption there is one, what kind of god is it?
>>It's perfectly apparent that he is monstrous, utterly monstrous, and
>>deserves no respect whatsoever. The moment you banish him your life
>>becomes simpler, purer, cleaner - more worth living in my opinion.
>
>Yes, I would join you IF GOD CREATED SUCH THINGS. BUT HE DIDN'T. you
>are accusing an innocent being.

Replay:
John 1:3
God created everything through him, and nothing was created except
through him.

>>>>>>>>>And He had plans if they didn't. We are
>>>>>>>>>getting up to the end of His plans as we speak.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>We are all just collateral damage, right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In a way, I guess you could see it that way. But Adam caused the
>>>>>>>collateral damage, not God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God caused Adam, right?
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, God created Adam. Then Adam abused his free will.
>>>>
>>>>So we are back to God being responsible for all our problems.
>>>>You need to stop obsessing about how God abuses us and
>>>>just accept that your God is evil.
>>>
>>>Satan is evil.
>>
>>Bible says Satan was a murderer from the day God created him.
>
>Does it say 'when God created him'? No, it says "In the beginning"

From the beginning of God creating him.

>The when Satan started sinning, he started out as a murderer. (he got
>Eve and Adam killed)

That's not what the bible says.
Bible says Satan told the truth and God lied.

>>>Saying God is evil, is evil.
>>
>>How so?
>>How will God learn otherwise?
>
>God already knows almost everything. There is nothing you could teach
>Him. But He could teach you a lot.

God has not finished playing his cruel games with us.

>>>Do you always like to be playing the "Devil's advocate"?
>>
>>The Devil did not create itself.
>
>BEEP! BUZZZ! You lose. That is exactly what Satan did to himself.
>>
>>>>>>>>Is it possible God thinks he is playing a computer game?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>A computer game isn't real. And just like depression, life is real.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why have you chosen to be depressed?
>>>>>
>>>>>I was referring to your suffering of bouts of depression.
>>>>
>>>>I'm asking Why have you chosen to be depressed?
>>>>
>>>>You made the claim.
>>>
>>>Prove it please.
>>
>>You said people choose their personality.
>
>For the most part yes, give or take some slight genetic influence. A
>serial murder chooses to do what he wants. No one has a gun to his
>head.

Metaphorically speaking God has a gun to his head.

>And no court of law accepts the excuse that bad genes made him do it.
>Or his cave man instincts came through. The courts believe each person
>has the free will to choose what he does in life.

In some cases they will say not guilty due to insanity.

How do you think the courts would respond if you did
something illegal caused by a panic attack?

>James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 11:25:08 +1000, Lucifer

<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 28 Jun 2021 13:27:52 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 28 Jun 2021 15:16:06 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 07:51:44 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 09:38:17 +1000, Lucifer
>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>We our not living in our
>>>>>>universe. It is God's universe. We are invited guests. Our 'Landlord'
>>>>>>will give us some super great benefits, if we are found to be worthy
>>>>>>of them.
>>>>>
>>>>>I've heard of that sort of thing. A pedophile keeps a child in
>>>>>their dungeon so they can repeatedly rape them.
>>
>>I can see where your mind is. If you don't think so much about such
>>morbid things, that could help your depression somewhat.
>
>"Everything God does is good."

Yes, it is "good" in the absolute sense, or in the judgment sense.
When God punishes the wicked, he is doing good towards the righteous.
Just like the governments punish the criminals for the general public
in order for them to stop being hurt by such criminals.

>
>>>>>>Did you know, during the 1000 year reign of Christ, Satan will be
>>>>>>locked up in his 'jail' during that time.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hitler did talk about a 1000 year Reich.
>>
>>I guarantee you it was nothing like Jesus'.
>
>The idea was based on the scriptures.

Then why didn't Hitler love his neighbor as himself? That is also
based on the Scriptures.

>
>>>>>>Thus there will be total
>>>>>>peace on the earth then. But after the 1000 years are up, Satan will
>>>>>>be let loose again "for a little while".
>>>>>
>>>>>You think God is a robot mindlessly following a script.
>>
>>A script is usually written by someone else. God has written what will
>>happen in the future, thus it will certainly happen.
>
>Why has God chosen such a wacky path?

God's "path" will straighten out ALL wrongdoings of humans. Even
Dragon Man. (looks more like an unknown branch from the ape family)

>
>>>>>>Thus a second test will occur. Those that get an F-, will be tossed
>>>>>>into the symbolic lake of fire. Those that are left will be found
>>>>>>tried and true and will live forever on a Paradise earth.
>>>>>
>>>>>Next door to a pedophile.
>>
>>Didn't you listen. The wicked will be thrown into the symbolic lake of
>>fire, which represents eternal death of no conscienceness.
>
>According to you pedophiles are not wicked.

Hey, I could lie also if I said, 'You hate your family'.

>
>"Everything God does is good."

Right on. Just not good for the wicked.

>
>>>>>>>>The way they ARE today, is not the way they WERE. That is two
>>>>>>>>different time periods and circumstances.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Which time period are you and I living in?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The 'after Adam sinned' time period. But think about it. If Adam had
>>>>>>NOT sinned, we wouldn't be here. Adam's descendants would have taken a
>>>>>>different genetic path. So in a way, we owe our personal lives to
>>>>>>Adam. (that doesn't sound right, does it) At any rate, that is how I
>>>>>>see it.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have been telling you that. We owe our gains to Adam's
>>>>>courages defiance of God.
>>>>
>>>>Adam's defiance of God was stupidity.
>>>
>>>Perhaps, but as you said we are better off because of
>>>Adam's courage.
>>
>>There is another way to look at that. Still, it would have been better
>>for all concerned, if Adam had obeyed his Father.
>
>Adam did what God wanted.

And what is it that God wanted, that Adam did?

>
>>>>He knew better yet still sinned.
>>>
>>>God was determined.
>>
>>Yes, He was determined to save mindkind, that is why He gave the first
>>prophecy of the Bible in Genesis that eventually saves mankind.
>
>It gives God something to amuse himself with but what if God
>did fix all the problems he caused us? The cycle would repeat
>endlessly.

As long as humans are imperfect, yes. But by making them perfect, many
humans will willfully serve God for all eternity.

>
>>>>At any rate, can't undo spilled milk.
>>>
>>>God can. God can even prevent cows being exploited.
>>
>>If cows were not 'harvested', where would your milk come from to go on
>>your breakfast cereal?
>
>Soy beans.

Yuck!

>But you say it's all good

How about that juicy steak you enjoy once in a while? Or are you a
vegan or vegetarian?

>
>>>>>>>>>>>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended
>>>>>>>>>>>his design?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>God knows no such thing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>How can you say that? God says he will fix the problems
>>>>>>>>>caused by his poor design so he obviously knows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>His design was perfect. It took disobedience to mess things up. And
>>>>>>>>God evened warned them what would happen if they disobeyed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God warned them he would amend his design?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You wish.
>>>>>
>>>>>We all wish that!
>>>>
>>>>Wishes are like fishes. Sometimes they get away.
>>>
>>>Hence your depression.
>>
>>I don't have depression. Mine is panic attacks.
>
>Part of God's perfect design which you say is all good.

Pre-Adam's sin there were no panic attacks or depression, etc.
Post-Adam's sin there is all of that and more.

>
>>>>>>God has no need to amend His designs since all His ways are
>>>>>>in perfect wisdom
>>>>>
>>>>>You are happy to live with your children when there is a
>>>>>pedophile next door?
>>>>
>>>>What do you think?
>>>
>>>You say you approve of all God's ways.

Yes I do. And pedophiles are not one of God's ways.

>
>
>
>
>
>>>>But doing it your way, there could be one next door to you, for all
>>>>eternity.
>>>
>>>What way is my way?
>>
>>Well, maybe not all eternity for you, but for someone. That is no God,
>>and when you die, you just go and decompose.
>
>Does it scare you that soon you will cease to exist and will
>be forgotten?

Not at all. Because of this:

(Acts 24:15) And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also
look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the
righteous and the unrighteous.

>
>>>>Doing it God's way, there would not always be one there, for
>>>>ever.
>>>
>>>God says he will fix the problems caused by his poor design so he
>>>obviously knows he did wrong.
>>
>>You are putting words in God's mouth.
>
>Think of it as a different translation.

Actually a very flawed translation.

>
>In Isaiah 45:7 KJV God himself says he creates evil.
>Later translations try to soften that by saying God creates calamity.

"Calamity"to all people is still bad. But you know the real meaning of
that Scripture at Isa 45:7.

Do you see what you are doing? The same thing you accuse me of doing;
believing the Scriptures you like, and ignoring others. I accept the
whole Bible. There are no Scriptures I ignore.

>
>>God never had a poor design. (if you think so, then you must hate yourself)
>
>What is God going to fix?

ALL things that hurt or depress us, such as suffering and death.

You may look for them, but they will nowhere be found.

>
>>> Oh, but I wouldn't want to. I wouldn't want to get in on his
>>>terms. They're wrong.
>>
>>I wouldn't worry about that if I was you.
>
>I am cursed with empathy.

Actually, you are cursed with Satan's desires.

>
>>> Now, if I died and it was Pluto, Hades and if it were the twelve
>>>Greek gods, then I'd have more truck with it because the Greeks didn't
>>>pretend not to be human in their appetites, and in their
>>>capriciousness and their unreasonableness; they didn't present
>>>themselves as being all-seeing, all-wise, all-kind, all-munificent;
>>>because the god who created this universe (if it was created by God)
>>>is, quite clearly, a maniac - utter maniac, totally selfish.
>>
>>You need to change out of those negative clothes.
>
>I notice you don't dispute what Stephen Fry said.

>>> Stephen Fry:
>>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil.

He is wrong. God didn't create bone cancer in children. The result of
Adam's sin, made it happen.

>Why should I respect a
>>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say

God DIDN'T create a world that is so full of injustice and pain. The
result of Adam's sin did.

>
>>> We have to spend our life on our knees thanking him? What kind of
>>>god would do that?
>>
>>No one said that must be done.
>>
>>>
>>> Yes, the world is very splendid, but it also has in it insects
>>>whose whole life-cycle is to burrow into the eyes of children and make
>>>them blind. They eat outwards from the eyes. Why did you do that? Why?
>>>Why did you do that to us? You could easily have made a creation where
>>>that didn't exist. It is simply not acceptable.
>>
>>God didn't create such a thing to happen.
>
>Bzzzzt!
>John 1:3
>God created everything through him, and nothing was created except
>through him.
>

Yes, all the plants and animals and humans were created by God. Also,
the universe and all natural things in it.

>>In the beginning, ALL life
>>forms were scared of humans. Thus humans always had them in
>>subjection.
>
>That's not good.
>
>>WITHOUT ADAM'S SIN, THERE NEVER WAS TO BE SUCH A THING.
>
>GOD DID A VERY GREAT WRONG BY MAKING ADAM SIN.

And He makes you sin every day, right?

>
>>> So, you know, atheism is not just about not believing there's a
>>>god - but, on the assumption there is one, what kind of god is it?
>>>It's perfectly apparent that he is monstrous, utterly monstrous, and
>>>deserves no respect whatsoever. The moment you banish him your life
>>>becomes simpler, purer, cleaner - more worth living in my opinion.
>>
>>Yes, I would join you IF GOD CREATED SUCH THINGS. BUT HE DIDN'T. you
>>are accusing an innocent being.
>
>Replay:
>John 1:3
>God created everything through him, and nothing was created except
>through him.

What about Playboy magazines, death squads, organized crime, rapists,
murderers, thieves, etc?

>
>>>>>>>>>>And He had plans if they didn't. We are
>>>>>>>>>>getting up to the end of His plans as we speak.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>We are all just collateral damage, right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>In a way, I guess you could see it that way. But Adam caused the
>>>>>>>>collateral damage, not God.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God caused Adam, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, God created Adam. Then Adam abused his free will.
>>>>>
>>>>>So we are back to God being responsible for all our problems.
>>>>>You need to stop obsessing about how God abuses us and
>>>>>just accept that your God is evil.
>>>>
>>>>Satan is evil.
>>>
>>>Bible says Satan was a murderer from the day God created him.
>>
>>Does it say 'when God created him'? No, it says "In the beginning"
>
>From the beginning of God creating him.

It doesn't say that:

>
>>The when Satan started sinning, he started out as a murderer. (he got
>>Eve and Adam killed)
>
>That's not what the bible says.

Maybe this will help you to understand it then:

(John 8:44) You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the
desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he
did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he
speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he
is a liar and the father of the lie.

It says "he did not stand fast in the truth". THAT MEANS, WHEN HE WAS
CREATED, HE WAS IN THE TRUTH FOR A WHILE. Thus "when he began" or "in
the beginning" he started out his sinful course as a murderer.

>Bible says Satan told the truth and God lied.

Well let's see:

"2. And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of
the trees of the garden:
3. But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden,
God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest
ye die.
4. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:"

WHERE IS EVE TODAY? I don't see her anywhere. She couldn't have died,
could she?

God told the truth. The Devil told the lie.

>
>>>>Saying God is evil, is evil.
>>>
>>>How so?
>>>How will God learn otherwise?
>>
>>God already knows almost everything. There is nothing you could teach
>>Him. But He could teach you a lot.
>
>God has not finished playing his cruel games with us.

Substitute the word "Satan" for the word "God", and you will have the
truth.

>
>>>>Do you always like to be playing the "Devil's advocate"?
>>>
>>>The Devil did not create itself.
>>
>>BEEP! BUZZZ! You lose. That is exactly what Satan did to himself.
>>>
>>>>>>>>>Is it possible God thinks he is playing a computer game?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>A computer game isn't real. And just like depression, life is real.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why have you chosen to be depressed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I was referring to your suffering of bouts of depression.
>>>>>
>>>>>I'm asking Why have you chosen to be depressed?
>>>>>
>>>>>You made the claim.
>>>>
>>>>Prove it please.
>>>
>>>You said people choose their personality.
>>
>>For the most part yes, give or take some slight genetic influence. A
>>serial murder chooses to do what he wants. No one has a gun to his
>>head.
>
>Metaphorically speaking God has a gun to his head.

Yea, a squirt gun. (whatever that means)

>
>>And no court of law accepts the excuse that bad genes made him do it.
>>Or his cave man instincts came through. The courts believe each person
>>has the free will to choose what he does in life.
>
>In some cases they will say not guilty due to insanity.
>
>How do you think the courts would respond if you did
>something illegal caused by a panic attack?

Or you went on a murderous spree because of severe depression.

It all depends on the jury. But the bad gene theory doesn't hold
water.

[Lucifer]

On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 11:06:05 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

>On Tue, 29 Jun 2021 11:25:08 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 28 Jun 2021 13:27:52 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 28 Jun 2021 15:16:06 +1000, Lucifer
>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 07:51:44 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 27 Jun 2021 09:38:17 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>We our not living in our
>>>>>>>universe. It is God's universe. We are invited guests. Our 'Landlord'
>>>>>>>will give us some super great benefits, if we are found to be worthy
>>>>>>>of them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I've heard of that sort of thing. A pedophile keeps a child in
>>>>>>their dungeon so they can repeatedly rape them.
>>>
>>>I can see where your mind is. If you don't think so much about such
>>>morbid things, that could help your depression somewhat.
>>
>>"Everything God does is good."
>
>Yes, it is "good" in the absolute sense, or in the judgment sense.
>When God punishes the wicked, he is doing good towards the righteous.
>Just like the governments punish the criminals for the general public
>in order for them to stop being hurt by such criminals.

It's a bit different in God's case as God knowingly designed
people to be criminals, and God has the ability to completely
rehabilitate criminals.

>>>>>>>Did you know, during the 1000 year reign of Christ, Satan will be
>>>>>>>locked up in his 'jail' during that time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Hitler did talk about a 1000 year Reich.
>>>
>>>I guarantee you it was nothing like Jesus'.
>>
>>The idea was based on the scriptures.
>
>Then why didn't Hitler love his neighbor as himself? That is also
>based on the Scriptures.

Hitler did love the Aryan people.

>>>>>>>Thus there will be total
>>>>>>>peace on the earth then. But after the 1000 years are up, Satan will
>>>>>>>be let loose again "for a little while".
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You think God is a robot mindlessly following a script.
>>>
>>>A script is usually written by someone else. God has written what will
>>>happen in the future, thus it will certainly happen.
>>
>>Why has God chosen such a wacky path?
>
>God's "path" will straighten out ALL wrongdoings of humans.

I'll need you to explain that.

>Even Dragon Man. (looks more like an unknown branch from the ape family)

What is Dragon Man?

>>>>>>>Thus a second test will occur. Those that get an F-, will be tossed
>>>>>>>into the symbolic lake of fire. Those that are left will be found
>>>>>>>tried and true and will live forever on a Paradise earth.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Next door to a pedophile.
>>>
>>>Didn't you listen. The wicked will be thrown into the symbolic lake of
>>>fire, which represents eternal death of no conscienceness.
>>
>>According to you pedophiles are not wicked.
>
>Hey, I could lie also if I said, 'You hate your family'.
>
>>"Everything God does is good."
>
>Right on. Just not good for the wicked.

"Everything God does is good."

>>>>>>>>>The way they ARE today, is not the way they WERE. That is two
>>>>>>>>>different time periods and circumstances.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Which time period are you and I living in?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The 'after Adam sinned' time period. But think about it. If Adam had
>>>>>>>NOT sinned, we wouldn't be here. Adam's descendants would have taken a
>>>>>>>different genetic path. So in a way, we owe our personal lives to
>>>>>>>Adam. (that doesn't sound right, does it) At any rate, that is how I
>>>>>>>see it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have been telling you that. We owe our gains to Adam's
>>>>>>courages defiance of God.
>>>>>
>>>>>Adam's defiance of God was stupidity.
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps, but as you said we are better off because of
>>>>Adam's courage.
>>>
>>>There is another way to look at that. Still, it would have been better
>>>for all concerned, if Adam had obeyed his Father.
>>
>>Adam did what God wanted.
>
>And what is it that God wanted, that Adam did?

Adam gave God the excuse to trash everything.

>>>>>He knew better yet still sinned.
>>>>
>>>>God was determined.
>>>
>>>Yes, He was determined to save mindkind, that is why He gave the first
>>>prophecy of the Bible in Genesis that eventually saves mankind.
>>
>>It gives God something to amuse himself with but what if God
>>did fix all the problems he caused us? The cycle would repeat
>>endlessly.
>
>As long as humans are imperfect, yes. But by making them perfect,
>many humans will willfully serve God for all eternity.

God will still get bored and want to trash everything again.

>>>>>At any rate, can't undo spilled milk.
>>>>
>>>>God can. God can even prevent cows being exploited.
>>>
>>>If cows were not 'harvested', where would your milk come from to go on
>>>your breakfast cereal?
>>
>>Soy beans.
>
>Yuck!

Your depression makes you hate everyone.

>>But you say it's all good
>
>How about that juicy steak you enjoy once in a while? Or are you a
>vegan or vegetarian?

You like to see people suffer because you did.

>>>>>>>>>>>>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended
>>>>>>>>>>>>his design?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>God knows no such thing.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>How can you say that? God says he will fix the problems
>>>>>>>>>>caused by his poor design so he obviously knows.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>His design was perfect. It took disobedience to mess things up. And
>>>>>>>>>God evened warned them what would happen if they disobeyed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God warned them he would amend his design?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You wish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We all wish that!
>>>>>
>>>>>Wishes are like fishes. Sometimes they get away.
>>>>
>>>>Hence your depression.
>>>
>>>I don't have depression. Mine is panic attacks.
>>
>>Part of God's perfect design which you say is all good.
>
>Pre-Adam's sin there were no panic attacks or depression, etc.
>Post-Adam's sin there is all of that and more.

But you say it's all good.

>>>>>>>God has no need to amend His designs since all His ways are
>>>>>>>in perfect wisdom
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You are happy to live with your children when there is a
>>>>>>pedophile next door?
>>>>>
>>>>>What do you think?
>>>>
>>>>You say you approve of all God's ways.
>
>Yes I do. And pedophiles are not one of God's ways.

Who do you say designed our brain?

>>>>>But doing it your way, there could be one next door to you, for all
>>>>>eternity.
>>>>
>>>>What way is my way?
>>>
>>>Well, maybe not all eternity for you, but for someone. That is no God,
>>>and when you die, you just go and decompose.
>>
>>Does it scare you that soon you will cease to exist and will
>>be forgotten?
>
>Not at all. Because of this:
>
>(Acts 24:15) And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also
>look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the
>righteous and the unrighteous.

Your hope seems very weak.

>>>>>Doing it God's way, there would not always be one there, for
>>>>>ever.
>>>>
>>>>God says he will fix the problems caused by his poor design so he
>>>>obviously knows he did wrong.
>>>
>>>You are putting words in God's mouth.
>>
>>Think of it as a different translation.
>
>Actually a very flawed translation.
>
>>
>>In Isaiah 45:7 KJV God himself says he creates evil.
>>Later translations try to soften that by saying God creates calamity.
>
>"Calamity"to all people is still bad. But you know the real meaning of
>that Scripture at Isa 45:7.

Yes.

>Do you see what you are doing? The same thing you accuse me of doing;
>believing the Scriptures you like, and ignoring others. I accept the
>whole Bible. There are no Scriptures I ignore.

Have you allowed a witch to live?

>>>God never had a poor design. (if you think so, then you must hate yourself)
>>
>>What is God going to fix?
>
>ALL things that hurt or depress us, such as suffering and death.

You wrote,

"God never had a poor design."

They are found, especially in religious organisations.

>>>> Oh, but I wouldn't want to. I wouldn't want to get in on his
>>>>terms. They're wrong.
>>>
>>>I wouldn't worry about that if I was you.
>>
>>I am cursed with empathy.
>
>Actually, you are cursed with Satan's desires.

Satan does try to help us overcome God.

>>>> Now, if I died and it was Pluto, Hades and if it were the twelve
>>>>Greek gods, then I'd have more truck with it because the Greeks didn't
>>>>pretend not to be human in their appetites, and in their
>>>>capriciousness and their unreasonableness; they didn't present
>>>>themselves as being all-seeing, all-wise, all-kind, all-munificent;
>>>>because the god who created this universe (if it was created by God)
>>>>is, quite clearly, a maniac - utter maniac, totally selfish.
>>>
>>>You need to change out of those negative clothes.
>>
>>I notice you don't dispute what Stephen Fry said.
>
>>>> Stephen Fry:
>>>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil.
>
>He is wrong. God didn't create bone cancer in children. The result of
>Adam's sin, made it happen.

Who do you say created Adam?

>>Why should I respect a
>>>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say
>
>God DIDN'T create a world that is so full of injustice and pain. The
>result of Adam's sin did.

Who do you say created Adam?

I don't sin.

>>>> So, you know, atheism is not just about not believing there's a
>>>>god - but, on the assumption there is one, what kind of god is it?
>>>>It's perfectly apparent that he is monstrous, utterly monstrous, and
>>>>deserves no respect whatsoever. The moment you banish him your life
>>>>becomes simpler, purer, cleaner - more worth living in my opinion.
>>>
>>>Yes, I would join you IF GOD CREATED SUCH THINGS. BUT HE DIDN'T. you
>>>are accusing an innocent being.
>>
>>Replay:
>>John 1:3
>>God created everything through him, and nothing was created except
>>through him.
>
>What about Playboy magazines, death squads, organized crime, rapists,
>murderers, thieves, etc?

Who do you say designed our brain?

>>>>>>>>>>>And He had plans if they didn't. We are
>>>>>>>>>>>getting up to the end of His plans as we speak.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>We are all just collateral damage, right?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>In a way, I guess you could see it that way. But Adam caused the
>>>>>>>>>collateral damage, not God.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God caused Adam, right?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Yes, God created Adam. Then Adam abused his free will.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So we are back to God being responsible for all our problems.
>>>>>>You need to stop obsessing about how God abuses us and
>>>>>>just accept that your God is evil.
>>>>>
>>>>>Satan is evil.
>>>>
>>>>Bible says Satan was a murderer from the day God created him.
>>>
>>>Does it say 'when God created him'? No, it says "In the beginning"
>>
>>From the beginning of God creating him.
>
>It doesn't say that:

Where?

>>>The when Satan started sinning, he started out as a murderer. (he got
>>>Eve and Adam killed)
>>
>>That's not what the bible says.
>
>Maybe this will help you to understand it then:
>
>(John 8:44) You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the
>desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he
>did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he
>speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he
>is a liar and the father of the lie.
>
>It says "he did not stand fast in the truth". THAT MEANS, WHEN HE WAS
>CREATED, HE WAS IN THE TRUTH FOR A WHILE. Thus "when he began" or "in
>the beginning" he started out his sinful course as a murderer.

That is a mistranslation.

>>Bible says Satan told the truth and God lied.
>
>Well let's see:
>
>"2. And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of
>the trees of the garden:
> 3. But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden,
>God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest
>ye die.
> 4. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:"
>
>WHERE IS EVE TODAY? I don't see her anywhere. She couldn't have died,
>could she?
>
>God told the truth. The Devil told the lie.

God said they would die the day they ate. God lied.
The serpent said they would be as gods knowing right and wrong.
Bible says the serpent was right.

>>>>>Saying God is evil, is evil.
>>>>
>>>>How so?
>>>>How will God learn otherwise?
>>>
>>>God already knows almost everything. There is nothing you could teach
>>>Him. But He could teach you a lot.
>>
>>God has not finished playing his cruel games with us.
>
>Substitute the word "Satan" for the word "God", and you will have the
>truth.

You are desperate for God to fix the mess he made.

>>>>>Do you always like to be playing the "Devil's advocate"?
>>>>
>>>>The Devil did not create itself.
>>>
>>>BEEP! BUZZZ! You lose. That is exactly what Satan did to himself.
>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Is it possible God thinks he is playing a computer game?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>A computer game isn't real. And just like depression, life is real.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Why have you chosen to be depressed?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I was referring to your suffering of bouts of depression.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm asking Why have you chosen to be depressed?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You made the claim.
>>>>>
>>>>>Prove it please.
>>>>
>>>>You said people choose their personality.
>>>
>>>For the most part yes, give or take some slight genetic influence. A
>>>serial murder chooses to do what he wants. No one has a gun to his
>>>head.
>>
>>Metaphorically speaking God has a gun to his head.
>
>Yea, a squirt gun. (whatever that means)

You say you don't choose to have panic attacks.
Why can't you accept that people don't choose to be homosexual,
or pedophiles?

>>>And no court of law accepts the excuse that bad genes made him do it.
>>>Or his cave man instincts came through. The courts believe each person
>>>has the free will to choose what he does in life.
>>
>>In some cases they will say not guilty due to insanity.
>>
>>How do you think the courts would respond if you did
>>something illegal caused by a panic attack?
>
>Or you went on a murderous spree because of severe depression.
>
>It all depends on the jury. But the bad gene theory doesn't hold
>water.

Why is it that humans, cows, and birds display the effect of
a selfish gene?

Do you see yourself as unrighteous because you have a mental
health issue?

Who do you say designed our brain?

>James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 10:02:56 +1000, Lucifer

Now I am confused. Do you believe God exists, or not? If not, then it
is senseless to accuse a non-existing God of things.

>

>>>>>>>>Did you know, during the 1000 year reign of Christ, Satan will be
>>>>>>>>locked up in his 'jail' during that time.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hitler did talk about a 1000 year Reich.
>>>>
>>>>I guarantee you it was nothing like Jesus'.
>>>
>>>The idea was based on the scriptures.
>>
>>Then why didn't Hitler love his neighbor as himself? That is also
>>based on the Scriptures.
>
>Hitler did love the Aryan people.

Is that why he had many of his officers killed? And had his soldiers
fight to the death, even though they had no chance at that time and
place.

A wise commander retreats his soldiers, regroups, and fights when
ready.

>
>>>>>>>>Thus there will be total
>>>>>>>>peace on the earth then. But after the 1000 years are up, Satan will
>>>>>>>>be let loose again "for a little while".
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You think God is a robot mindlessly following a script.
>>>>
>>>>A script is usually written by someone else. God has written what will
>>>>happen in the future, thus it will certainly happen.
>>>
>>>Why has God chosen such a wacky path?
>>
>>God's "path" will straighten out ALL wrongdoings of humans.
>
>I'll need you to explain that.

Humans who kill, humans who steal, humans involved in immorality,
humans hooked on drugs, humans who cheat, humans who torture, etc,
etc.

>
>>Even Dragon Man. (looks more like an unknown branch from the ape family)
>
>What is Dragon Man?

A thousands of years old skull recently found I believe in China. They
say they may have to rewrite human evolution because of that
discovery.

>
>>>>>>>>Thus a second test will occur. Those that get an F-, will be tossed
>>>>>>>>into the symbolic lake of fire. Those that are left will be found
>>>>>>>>tried and true and will live forever on a Paradise earth.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Next door to a pedophile.
>>>>
>>>>Didn't you listen. The wicked will be thrown into the symbolic lake of
>>>>fire, which represents eternal death of no conscienceness.
>>>
>>>According to you pedophiles are not wicked.
>>
>>Hey, I could lie also if I said, 'You hate your family'.
>>
>>>"Everything God does is good."
>>
>>Right on. Just not good for the wicked.
>
>"Everything God does is good."

It's nice to agree with you once in a while.

>
>>>>>>>>>>The way they ARE today, is not the way they WERE. That is two
>>>>>>>>>>different time periods and circumstances.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Which time period are you and I living in?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The 'after Adam sinned' time period. But think about it. If Adam had
>>>>>>>>NOT sinned, we wouldn't be here. Adam's descendants would have taken a
>>>>>>>>different genetic path. So in a way, we owe our personal lives to
>>>>>>>>Adam. (that doesn't sound right, does it) At any rate, that is how I
>>>>>>>>see it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have been telling you that. We owe our gains to Adam's
>>>>>>>courages defiance of God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Adam's defiance of God was stupidity.
>>>>>
>>>>>Perhaps, but as you said we are better off because of
>>>>>Adam's courage.
>>>>
>>>>There is another way to look at that. Still, it would have been better
>>>>for all concerned, if Adam had obeyed his Father.
>>>
>>>Adam did what God wanted.
>>
>>And what is it that God wanted, that Adam did?
>
>Adam gave God the excuse to trash everything.

It eventually worked out that way, didn't it.

>
>>>>>>He knew better yet still sinned.
>>>>>
>>>>>God was determined.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, He was determined to save mindkind, that is why He gave the first
>>>>prophecy of the Bible in Genesis that eventually saves mankind.
>>>
>>>It gives God something to amuse himself with but what if God
>>>did fix all the problems he caused us? The cycle would repeat
>>>endlessly.
>>
>>As long as humans are imperfect, yes. But by making them perfect,
>>many humans will willfully serve God for all eternity.
>
>God will still get bored and want to trash everything again.

God ALWAYS lived. He is way past boredom.

>
>>>>>>At any rate, can't undo spilled milk.
>>>>>
>>>>>God can. God can even prevent cows being exploited.
>>>>
>>>>If cows were not 'harvested', where would your milk come from to go on
>>>>your breakfast cereal?
>>>
>>>Soy beans.
>>
>>Yuck!
>
>Your depression makes you hate everyone.

I know. I hate soy bean milk.

>
>>>But you say it's all good
>>
>>How about that juicy steak you enjoy once in a while? Or are you a
>>vegan or vegetarian?
>
>You like to see people suffer because you did.

Wise answer to my question, "Or are you a vegan or vegetarian?"

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended
>>>>>>>>>>>>>his design?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>God knows no such thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>How can you say that? God says he will fix the problems
>>>>>>>>>>>caused by his poor design so he obviously knows.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>His design was perfect. It took disobedience to mess things up. And
>>>>>>>>>>God evened warned them what would happen if they disobeyed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>God warned them he would amend his design?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You wish.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We all wish that!
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wishes are like fishes. Sometimes they get away.
>>>>>
>>>>>Hence your depression.
>>>>
>>>>I don't have depression. Mine is panic attacks.
>>>
>>>Part of God's perfect design which you say is all good.
>>
>>Pre-Adam's sin there were no panic attacks or depression, etc.
>>Post-Adam's sin there is all of that and more.
>
>But you say it's all good.

Just the pre-Adam's sin.

>
>>>>>>>>God has no need to amend His designs since all His ways are
>>>>>>>>in perfect wisdom
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You are happy to live with your children when there is a
>>>>>>>pedophile next door?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What do you think?
>>>>>
>>>>>You say you approve of all God's ways.
>>
>>Yes I do. And pedophiles are not one of God's ways.
>
>Who do you say designed our brain?

Aliens from the dwarf planet Pluto.

>
>>>>>>But doing it your way, there could be one next door to you, for all
>>>>>>eternity.
>>>>>
>>>>>What way is my way?
>>>>
>>>>Well, maybe not all eternity for you, but for someone. That is no God,
>>>>and when you die, you just go and decompose.
>>>
>>>Does it scare you that soon you will cease to exist and will
>>>be forgotten?
>>
>>Not at all. Because of this:
>>
>>(Acts 24:15) And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also
>>look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the
>>righteous and the unrighteous.
>
>Your hope seems very weak.

It is as strong as the Bible is. (2 Tim 3:16) Pr 18:10,

"The name of Jehovah is a strong tower.
Into it the righteous one runs and receives protection."

That is, a spiritual "protection" against Satan and his angelic demon
troups.

>>>>>>Doing it God's way, there would not always be one there, for
>>>>>>ever.
>>>>>
>>>>>God says he will fix the problems caused by his poor design so he
>>>>>obviously knows he did wrong.
>>>>
>>>>You are putting words in God's mouth.
>>>
>>>Think of it as a different translation.
>>
>>Actually a very flawed translation.
>>
>>>
>>>In Isaiah 45:7 KJV God himself says he creates evil.
>>>Later translations try to soften that by saying God creates calamity.
>>
>>"Calamity"to all people is still bad. But you know the real meaning of
>>that Scripture at Isa 45:7.
>
>Yes.
>
>>Do you see what you are doing? The same thing you accuse me of doing;
>>believing the Scriptures you like, and ignoring others. I accept the
>>whole Bible. There are no Scriptures I ignore.
>
>Have you allowed a witch to live?

If we were still under those Mosaic Laws, I would support them. BUT WE
ARE NO LONGER UNDER THEM. Thus witches are all over the place, even on
film. (Bewitched)

>
>>>>God never had a poor design. (if you think so, then you must hate yourself)
>>>
>>>What is God going to fix?
>>
>>ALL things that hurt or depress us, such as suffering and death.
>
>You wrote,
>"God never had a poor design."
>

So true.

Not after God's judgments are carried out. There will only be one true
religion left.

>
>>>>> Oh, but I wouldn't want to. I wouldn't want to get in on his
>>>>>terms. They're wrong.
>>>>
>>>>I wouldn't worry about that if I was you.
>>>
>>>I am cursed with empathy.
>>
>>Actually, you are cursed with Satan's desires.
>
>Satan does try to help us overcome God.

Yes, he is God's original enemy. Satan is the one who encourages
pedophiles to abduct little boys and girls, abuse them, then kill
them. Satan loves that, because he knows God hates such things.
He says children should be disiplined and loved.

>
>>>>> Now, if I died and it was Pluto, Hades and if it were the twelve
>>>>>Greek gods, then I'd have more truck with it because the Greeks didn't
>>>>>pretend not to be human in their appetites, and in their
>>>>>capriciousness and their unreasonableness; they didn't present
>>>>>themselves as being all-seeing, all-wise, all-kind, all-munificent;
>>>>>because the god who created this universe (if it was created by God)
>>>>>is, quite clearly, a maniac - utter maniac, totally selfish.
>>>>
>>>>You need to change out of those negative clothes.
>>>
>>>I notice you don't dispute what Stephen Fry said.
>>
>>>>> Stephen Fry:
>>>>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>>>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>>>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>>>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil.
>>
>>He is wrong. God didn't create bone cancer in children. The result of
>>Adam's sin, made it happen.
>
>Who do you say created Adam?

Remember, those aliens from Pluto.

>
>>>Why should I respect a
>>>>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>>>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say
>>
>>God DIDN'T create a world that is so full of injustice and pain. The
>>result of Adam's sin did.
>
>Who do you say created Adam?

Aliens from Pluto.

>
>>>>> We have to spend our life on our knees thanking him? What kind of
>>>>>god would do that?
>>>>
>>>>No one said that must be done.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, the world is very splendid, but it also has in it insects
>>>>>whose whole life-cycle is to burrow into the eyes of children and make
>>>>>them blind. They eat outwards from the eyes. Why did you do that? Why?
>>>>>Why did you do that to us? You could easily have made a creation where
>>>>>that didn't exist. It is simply not acceptable.
>>>>
>>>>God didn't create such a thing to happen.
>>>
>>>Bzzzzt!
>>>John 1:3
>>>God created everything through him, and nothing was created except
>>>through him.
>>>
>>Yes, all the plants and animals and humans were created by God. Also,
>>the universe and all natural things in it.
>
>They eat outwards from the eyes. Why did you do that? Why?
>Why did you do that to us? You could easily have made a creation
>where that didn't exist. It is simply not acceptable.

I am sure Satan has something to do with that, but can't prove it.

>
>>>>In the beginning, ALL life
>>>>forms were scared of humans. Thus humans always had them in
>>>>subjection.
>>>
>>>That's not good.
>>>
>>>>WITHOUT ADAM'S SIN, THERE NEVER WAS TO BE SUCH A THING.
>>>
>>>GOD DID A VERY GREAT WRONG BY MAKING ADAM SIN.
>>
>>And He makes you sin every day, right?
>
>I don't sin.

The Bible says if you say, "I don't sin", you are a liar and the truth
is not in you.

>
>>>>> So, you know, atheism is not just about not believing there's a
>>>>>god - but, on the assumption there is one, what kind of god is it?
>>>>>It's perfectly apparent that he is monstrous, utterly monstrous, and
>>>>>deserves no respect whatsoever. The moment you banish him your life
>>>>>becomes simpler, purer, cleaner - more worth living in my opinion.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, I would join you IF GOD CREATED SUCH THINGS. BUT HE DIDN'T. you
>>>>are accusing an innocent being.
>>>
>>>Replay:
>>>John 1:3
>>>God created everything through him, and nothing was created except
>>>through him.
>>
>>What about Playboy magazines, death squads, organized crime, rapists,
>>murderers, thieves, etc?
>
>Who do you say designed our brain?

Recall, they are from Pluto.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>And He had plans if they didn't. We are
>>>>>>>>>>>>getting up to the end of His plans as we speak.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>We are all just collateral damage, right?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>In a way, I guess you could see it that way. But Adam caused the
>>>>>>>>>>collateral damage, not God.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>God caused Adam, right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes, God created Adam. Then Adam abused his free will.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So we are back to God being responsible for all our problems.
>>>>>>>You need to stop obsessing about how God abuses us and
>>>>>>>just accept that your God is evil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Satan is evil.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bible says Satan was a murderer from the day God created him.
>>>>
>>>>Does it say 'when God created him'? No, it says "In the beginning"
>>>
>>>From the beginning of God creating him.
>>
>>It doesn't say that:
>
>Where?

Notice John 15:26,27,

"When the helper comes that I will send you from the Father, the
spirit of the truth, which comes from the Father, that one will bear
witness about me; 27 and you, in turn, are to bear witness, because
you have been with me from the beginning."

"From the beginning" doesn't mean from Jesus' creation, but from their
meeting him first. on earth. "From the beginning", means a similar
thing with Satan. "From the beginning" of him sinning. 1 John 3:8,

"The one who practices sin originates with the Devil, because the
Devil has been sinning from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of
God was made manifest, to break up the works of the Devil."

>
>>>>The when Satan started sinning, he started out as a murderer. (he got
>>>>Eve and Adam killed)
>>>
>>>That's not what the bible says.
>>
>>Maybe this will help you to understand it then:
>>
>>(John 8:44) You are from your father the Devil, and you wish to do the
>>desires of your father. That one was a murderer when he began, and he
>>did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he
>>speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he
>>is a liar and the father of the lie.
>>
>>It says "he did not stand fast in the truth". THAT MEANS, WHEN HE WAS
>>CREATED, HE WAS IN THE TRUTH FOR A WHILE. Thus "when he began" or "in
>>the beginning" he started out his sinful course as a murderer.
>
>That is a mistranslation.

Not at all. Notice these translations:

-- King James
1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil
sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was
manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

-- New King James
1 John 3:8 He who sins is of the devil, for the devil has sinned from
the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that He
might destroy the works of the devil.

-- American Standard
1 John 3:8 he that doeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth
from the beginning. To this end was the Son of God manifested, that he
might destroy the works of the devil.


-- Revised Standard
1 John 3:8 He who commits sin is of the devil; for the devil has
sinned from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to
destroy the works of the devil.

-- New American Standard
1 John 3:8 the one who practices sin is of the devil; for the devil
has sinned from the beginning. The Son of God appeared for this
purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.

-- New Jerusalem with Apocrypha
1 John 3:8 Whoever lives sinfully belongs to the devil,
since the devil has been a sinner from the beginning.
This was the purpose of the appearing of the Son of God,
to undo the work of the devil.

-- New American with Apocrypha
1 John 3:8 Whoever sins belongs to the devil, because the devil has
sinned from the beginning. Indeed, the Son of God was revealed to
destroy the works of the devil.

-- New Revised Standard with Apocrypha
1 John 3:8 Everyone who commits sin is a child of the devil; for the
devil has been sinning from the beginning. The Son of God was revealed
for this purpose, to destroy the works of the devil.

-- Young's Bible
1 John 3:8 he who is doing the sin, of the devil he is, because from
the beginning the devil doth sin; for this was the Son of God
manifested, that he may break up the works of the devil;

-- Darby's Bible
1 John 3:8 He that practises sin is of the devil; for from the
beginning the devil sins. To this end the Son of God has been
manifested, that he might undo the works of the devil.

-- Weymouth's New Testament
1 John 3:8 He who is habitually guilty of sin is a child of the
Devil, because the Devil has been a sinner from the very beginning.
The Son of God appeared for the purpose of undoing the work of the
Devil.

-- Webster's Bible
1 John 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil
sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was
manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.

-- New Living Translation
1 John 3:8 But when people keep on sinning, it shows they belong to
the Devil, who has been sinning since the beginning. But the Son of
God came to destroy these works of the Devil.

Recall, the Devil did not "stand fast" in the truth. So at one time he
was righteous. (John 8:44)

>
>>>Bible says Satan told the truth and God lied.
>>
>>Well let's see:
>>
>>"2. And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of
>>the trees of the garden:
>> 3. But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden,
>>God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest
>>ye die.
>> 4. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:"
>>
>>WHERE IS EVE TODAY? I don't see her anywhere. She couldn't have died,
>>could she?
>>
>>God told the truth. The Devil told the lie.
>
>God said they would die the day they ate. God lied

The Bible has several uses for the word "day". One of them is 1000
years. We vary how we use it to. For example, "In my grandfather's
day".

- King James
2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one
day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one
day.

So Eve died within God's "day". So did Adam.

.
>The serpent said they would be as gods knowing right and wrong.
>Bible says the serpent was right.

Satan lied in telling Eve she would not die, but told the truth about
them getting to know good and bad. You know how God tells good from
bad? He defines it.

Thus Satan wanted them to insult God by determining for themselves
what was good and what was bad. And not let God do it.

>
>>>>>>Saying God is evil, is evil.
>>>>>
>>>>>How so?
>>>>>How will God learn otherwise?
>>>>
>>>>God already knows almost everything. There is nothing you could teach
>>>>Him. But He could teach you a lot.
>>>
>>>God has not finished playing his cruel games with us.
>>
>>Substitute the word "Satan" for the word "God", and you will have the
>>truth.
>
>You are desperate for God to fix the mess he made.

Replace "Adam" for "he" and you will have it right.

>
>>>>>>Do you always like to be playing the "Devil's advocate"?
>>>>>
>>>>>The Devil did not create itself.
>>>>
>>>>BEEP! BUZZZ! You lose. That is exactly what Satan did to himself.
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Is it possible God thinks he is playing a computer game?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>A computer game isn't real. And just like depression, life is real.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Why have you chosen to be depressed?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I was referring to your suffering of bouts of depression.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I'm asking Why have you chosen to be depressed?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You made the claim.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Prove it please.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said people choose their personality.
>>>>
>>>>For the most part yes, give or take some slight genetic influence. A
>>>>serial murder chooses to do what he wants. No one has a gun to his
>>>>head.
>>>
>>>Metaphorically speaking God has a gun to his head.
>>
>>Yea, a squirt gun. (whatever that means)
>
>You say you don't choose to have panic attacks.
>Why can't you accept that people don't choose to be homosexual,
>or pedophiles?

Because you are comparing a medical condition with a chosen
personality type. You are mixing apples and oranges.

>
>>>>And no court of law accepts the excuse that bad genes made him do it.
>>>>Or his cave man instincts came through. The courts believe each person
>>>>has the free will to choose what he does in life.
>>>
>>>In some cases they will say not guilty due to insanity.
>>>
>>>How do you think the courts would respond if you did
>>>something illegal caused by a panic attack?
>>
>>Or you went on a murderous spree because of severe depression.
>>
>>It all depends on the jury. But the bad gene theory doesn't hold
>>water.
>
>Why is it that humans, cows, and birds display the effect of
>a selfish gene?

What gene? Have they identified one? Even so, the Bible does declares
humans to be selfish and sinners. Ps 10:3,

"3 For the wicked has praised himself over the selfish longing of his
soul,
And the one making undue profit has blessed himself;"

The word "soul" here means a person, mind and body.

>
>Do you see yourself as unrighteous because you have a mental
>health issue?

Not "unrighteous", but "imperfect".

>
>Who do you say designed our brain?

For the last time, interstellar aliens from the dwarf planet Pluto.
Ask a silly question, get a silly answer.

[Lucifer]

We can discuss that in another thread if you like.
I said

>>It's a bit different in God's case as God knowingly designed
>>people to be criminals, and God has the ability to completely
>>rehabilitate criminals

>>>>>>>>>Did you know, during the 1000 year reign of Christ, Satan will be
>>>>>>>>>locked up in his 'jail' during that time.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Hitler did talk about a 1000 year Reich.
>>>>>
>>>>>I guarantee you it was nothing like Jesus'.
>>>>
>>>>The idea was based on the scriptures.
>>>
>>>Then why didn't Hitler love his neighbor as himself? That is also
>>>based on the Scriptures.
>>
>>Hitler did love the Aryan people.
>
>Is that why he had many of his officers killed? And had his soldiers
>fight to the death, even though they had no chance at that time and
>place.

That's what God does.

>A wise commander retreats his soldiers, regroups, and fights when
>ready.

God is in no way wise.

>>>>>>>>>Thus there will be total
>>>>>>>>>peace on the earth then. But after the 1000 years are up, Satan will
>>>>>>>>>be let loose again "for a little while".
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You think God is a robot mindlessly following a script.
>>>>>
>>>>>A script is usually written by someone else. God has written what will
>>>>>happen in the future, thus it will certainly happen.
>>>>
>>>>Why has God chosen such a wacky path?
>>>
>>>God's "path" will straighten out ALL wrongdoings of humans.
>>
>>I'll need you to explain that.
>
>Humans who kill, humans who steal, humans involved in immorality,
>humans hooked on drugs, humans who cheat, humans who torture, etc,
>etc.

God chose to make us that. God would need to change
dramatically before he would undo those things.

>>>Even Dragon Man. (looks more like an unknown branch from the ape family)
>>
>>What is Dragon Man?
>
>A thousands of years old skull recently found I believe in China. They
>say they may have to rewrite human evolution because of that
>discovery.

Creationists say?

>>>>>>>>>Thus a second test will occur. Those that get an F-, will be tossed
>>>>>>>>>into the symbolic lake of fire. Those that are left will be found
>>>>>>>>>tried and true and will live forever on a Paradise earth.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Next door to a pedophile.
>>>>>
>>>>>Didn't you listen. The wicked will be thrown into the symbolic lake of
>>>>>fire, which represents eternal death of no conscienceness.
>>>>
>>>>According to you pedophiles are not wicked.
>>>
>>>Hey, I could lie also if I said, 'You hate your family'.
>>>
>>>>"Everything God does is good."
>>>
>>>Right on. Just not good for the wicked.
>>
>>"Everything God does is good."
>
>It's nice to agree with you once in a while.

It's not often you agree with yourself.

That could explain why God created Satan as a murderer then
abandoned us to Satan.

What period are you and I living in?

>>>>>>>>>God has no need to amend His designs since all His ways are
>>>>>>>>>in perfect wisdom
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You are happy to live with your children when there is a
>>>>>>>>pedophile next door?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What do you think?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You say you approve of all God's ways.
>>>
>>>Yes I do. And pedophiles are not one of God's ways.
>>
>>Who do you say designed our brain?
>
>Aliens from the dwarf planet Pluto.

Thus making God responsible for every thought and every action.

>>>>>>>But doing it your way, there could be one next door to you, for all
>>>>>>>eternity.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What way is my way?
>>>>>
>>>>>Well, maybe not all eternity for you, but for someone. That is no God,
>>>>>and when you die, you just go and decompose.
>>>>
>>>>Does it scare you that soon you will cease to exist and will
>>>>be forgotten?
>>>
>>>Not at all. Because of this:
>>>
>>>(Acts 24:15) And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also
>>>look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the
>>>righteous and the unrighteous.
>>
>>Your hope seems very weak.
>
>It is as strong as the Bible is. (2 Tim 3:16) Pr 18:10,
>
>"The name of Jehovah is a strong tower.
>Into it the righteous one runs and receives protection."
>
>That is, a spiritual "protection" against Satan and his angelic demon
>troups.

Very weak.

>>>>>>>Doing it God's way, there would not always be one there, for
>>>>>>>ever.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God says he will fix the problems caused by his poor design so he
>>>>>>obviously knows he did wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>You are putting words in God's mouth.
>>>>
>>>>Think of it as a different translation.
>>>
>>>Actually a very flawed translation.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>In Isaiah 45:7 KJV God himself says he creates evil.
>>>>Later translations try to soften that by saying God creates calamity.
>>>
>>>"Calamity"to all people is still bad. But you know the real meaning of
>>>that Scripture at Isa 45:7.
>>
>>Yes.
>>
>>>Do you see what you are doing? The same thing you accuse me of doing;
>>>believing the Scriptures you like, and ignoring others. I accept the
>>>whole Bible. There are no Scriptures I ignore.
>>
>>Have you allowed a witch to live?
>
>If we were still under those Mosaic Laws, I would support them. BUT WE
>ARE NO LONGER UNDER THEM. Thus witches are all over the place, even on
>film. (Bewitched)

Unicorns too.

>>>>>God never had a poor design. (if you think so, then you must hate yourself)
>>>>
>>>>What is God going to fix?
>>>
>>>ALL things that hurt or depress us, such as suffering and death.
>>
>>You wrote,
>>"God never had a poor design."
>>
>
>So true.

Why fix a good design?

If God wanted that he would have done it already.

>>>>>> Oh, but I wouldn't want to. I wouldn't want to get in on his
>>>>>>terms. They're wrong.
>>>>>
>>>>>I wouldn't worry about that if I was you.
>>>>
>>>>I am cursed with empathy.
>>>
>>>Actually, you are cursed with Satan's desires.
>>
>>Satan does try to help us overcome God.
>
>Yes, he is God's original enemy. Satan is the one who encourages
>pedophiles to abduct little boys and girls, abuse them, then kill
>them. Satan loves that, because he knows God hates such things.
>He says children should be disiplined and loved.

God designed our brain and God orders naughty children
to be stoned to death.
God kills nine million children under five every year.
Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?

>>>>>> Now, if I died and it was Pluto, Hades and if it were the twelve
>>>>>>Greek gods, then I'd have more truck with it because the Greeks didn't
>>>>>>pretend not to be human in their appetites, and in their
>>>>>>capriciousness and their unreasonableness; they didn't present
>>>>>>themselves as being all-seeing, all-wise, all-kind, all-munificent;
>>>>>>because the god who created this universe (if it was created by God)
>>>>>>is, quite clearly, a maniac - utter maniac, totally selfish.
>>>>>
>>>>>You need to change out of those negative clothes.
>>>>
>>>>I notice you don't dispute what Stephen Fry said.
>>>
>>>>>> Stephen Fry:
>>>>>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>>>>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>>>>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>>>>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil.
>>>
>>>He is wrong. God didn't create bone cancer in children. The result of
>>>Adam's sin, made it happen.
>>
>>Who do you say created Adam?
>
>Remember, those aliens from Pluto.

Thus making God responsible for every thought and every action.

>>>>Why should I respect a
>>>>>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>>>>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say
>>>
>>>God DIDN'T create a world that is so full of injustice and pain. The
>>>result of Adam's sin did.
>>
>>Who do you say created Adam?
>
>Aliens from Pluto.

Thus making God responsible for every thought and every action.

>>>>>> We have to spend our life on our knees thanking him? What kind of
>>>>>>god would do that?
>>>>>
>>>>>No one said that must be done.
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Yes, the world is very splendid, but it also has in it insects
>>>>>>whose whole life-cycle is to burrow into the eyes of children and make
>>>>>>them blind. They eat outwards from the eyes. Why did you do that? Why?
>>>>>>Why did you do that to us? You could easily have made a creation where
>>>>>>that didn't exist. It is simply not acceptable.
>>>>>
>>>>>God didn't create such a thing to happen.
>>>>
>>>>Bzzzzt!
>>>>John 1:3
>>>>God created everything through him, and nothing was created except
>>>>through him.
>>>>
>>>Yes, all the plants and animals and humans were created by God. Also,
>>>the universe and all natural things in it.
>>
>>They eat outwards from the eyes. Why did you do that? Why?
>>Why did you do that to us? You could easily have made a creation
>>where that didn't exist. It is simply not acceptable.
>
>I am sure Satan has something to do with that, but can't prove it.

They eat outwards from the eyes. Why did God do that? Why?
Why did God do that to us? He could easily have made a creation
where that didn't exist. ___It is simply not acceptable.___

>>>>>In the beginning, ALL life
>>>>>forms were scared of humans. Thus humans always had them in
>>>>>subjection.
>>>>
>>>>That's not good.
>>>>
>>>>>WITHOUT ADAM'S SIN, THERE NEVER WAS TO BE SUCH A THING.
>>>>
>>>>GOD DID A VERY GREAT WRONG BY MAKING ADAM SIN.
>>>
>>>And He makes you sin every day, right?
>>
>>I don't sin.
>
>The Bible says if you say, "I don't sin", you are a liar and the truth
>is not in you.

The bible says the moon is a light.

>>>>>> So, you know, atheism is not just about not believing there's a
>>>>>>god - but, on the assumption there is one, what kind of god is it?
>>>>>>It's perfectly apparent that he is monstrous, utterly monstrous, and
>>>>>>deserves no respect whatsoever. The moment you banish him your life
>>>>>>becomes simpler, purer, cleaner - more worth living in my opinion.
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes, I would join you IF GOD CREATED SUCH THINGS. BUT HE DIDN'T. you
>>>>>are accusing an innocent being.
>>>>
>>>>Replay:
>>>>John 1:3
>>>>God created everything through him, and nothing was created except
>>>>through him.
>>>
>>>What about Playboy magazines, death squads, organized crime, rapists,
>>>murderers, thieves, etc?
>>
>>Who do you say designed our brain?
>
>Recall, they are from Pluto.

Thus making God responsible for every thought and every action.
You are accusing an innocent being.

God created the devil so he could break up his works?

You say the devil is good.

"Everything God does is good."

>>>>Bible says Satan told the truth and God lied.
>>>
>>>Well let's see:
>>>
>>>"2. And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of
>>>the trees of the garden:
>>> 3. But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden,
>>>God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest
>>>ye die.
>>> 4. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:"
>>>
>>>WHERE IS EVE TODAY? I don't see her anywhere. She couldn't have died,
>>>could she?
>>>
>>>God told the truth. The Devil told the lie.
>>
>>God said they would die the day they ate. God lied
>
>The Bible has several uses for the word "day". One of them is 1000
>years. We vary how we use it to. For example, "In my grandfather's
>day".
>
>- King James
>2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one
>day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one
>day.
>
>So Eve died within God's "day". So did Adam.

Face it. God lied.

>>The serpent said they would be as gods knowing right and wrong.
>>Bible says the serpent was right.
>
>Satan lied in telling Eve she would not die, but told the truth about
>them getting to know good and bad. You know how God tells good from
>bad? He defines it.

Not in our world.

>Thus Satan wanted them to insult God by determining for themselves
>what was good and what was bad. And not let God do it.
>
>>
>>>>>>>Saying God is evil, is evil.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How so?
>>>>>>How will God learn otherwise?
>>>>>
>>>>>God already knows almost everything. There is nothing you could teach
>>>>>Him. But He could teach you a lot.
>>>>
>>>>God has not finished playing his cruel games with us.
>>>
>>>Substitute the word "Satan" for the word "God", and you will have the
>>>truth.
>>
>>You are desperate for God to fix the mess he made.
>
>Replace "Adam" for "he" and you will have it right.

Next you will be telling me the FMC caused God to make
the mess we are in. :)

>>>>>>>Do you always like to be playing the "Devil's advocate"?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Devil did not create itself.
>>>>>
>>>>>BEEP! BUZZZ! You lose. That is exactly what Satan did to himself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Is it possible God thinks he is playing a computer game?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>A computer game isn't real. And just like depression, life is real.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Why have you chosen to be depressed?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I was referring to your suffering of bouts of depression.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm asking Why have you chosen to be depressed?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You made the claim.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Prove it please.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You said people choose their personality.
>>>>>
>>>>>For the most part yes, give or take some slight genetic influence. A
>>>>>serial murder chooses to do what he wants. No one has a gun to his
>>>>>head.
>>>>
>>>>Metaphorically speaking God has a gun to his head.
>>>
>>>Yea, a squirt gun. (whatever that means)
>>
>>You say you don't choose to have panic attacks.
>>Why can't you accept that people don't choose to be homosexual,
>>or pedophiles?
>
>Because you are comparing a medical condition with a chosen
>personality type. You are mixing apples and oranges.

The cause of homosexuality and pedophilia is the same as
for panic attacks, being a brain problem. The brain you say
God designed.

>>>>>And no court of law accepts the excuse that bad genes made him do it.
>>>>>Or his cave man instincts came through. The courts believe each person
>>>>>has the free will to choose what he does in life.
>>>>
>>>>In some cases they will say not guilty due to insanity.
>>>>
>>>>How do you think the courts would respond if you did
>>>>something illegal caused by a panic attack?
>>>
>>>Or you went on a murderous spree because of severe depression.
>>>
>>>It all depends on the jury. But the bad gene theory doesn't hold
>>>water.
>>
>>Why is it that humans, cows, and birds display the effect of
>>a selfish gene?
>
>What gene? Have they identified one? Even so, the Bible does declares
>humans to be selfish and sinners. Ps 10:3,
>
>"3 For the wicked has praised himself over the selfish longing of his
>soul,
>And the one making undue profit has blessed himself;"
>
>The word "soul" here means a person, mind and body.

Why is it that humans, cows, and birds act as though they
have a selfish gene?

>>Do you see yourself as unrighteous because you have a mental
>>health issue?
>
>Not "unrighteous", but "imperfect".
>>
>>Who do you say designed our brain?
>
>For the last time, interstellar aliens from the dwarf planet Pluto.
>Ask a silly question, get a silly answer.

Thus making God responsible for all our problems.

How are going with that list?

>James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Fri, 02 Jul 2021 19:54:02 +1000, Lucifer

Did He design you in that way? Why?

>
>>>>>>>>>>Did you know, during the 1000 year reign of Christ, Satan will be
>>>>>>>>>>locked up in his 'jail' during that time.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Hitler did talk about a 1000 year Reich.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I guarantee you it was nothing like Jesus'.
>>>>>
>>>>>The idea was based on the scriptures.
>>>>
>>>>Then why didn't Hitler love his neighbor as himself? That is also
>>>>based on the Scriptures.
>>>
>>>Hitler did love the Aryan people.
>>
>>Is that why he had many of his officers killed? And had his soldiers
>>fight to the death, even though they had no chance at that time and
>>place.
>
>That's what God does.

Substitute Satan for the implied God here.

>>A wise commander retreats his soldiers, regroups, and fights when
>>ready.
>
>God is in no way wise.

God's wisdom far exceeds human's.

>
>>>>>>>>>>Thus there will be total
>>>>>>>>>>peace on the earth then. But after the 1000 years are up, Satan will
>>>>>>>>>>be let loose again "for a little while".
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You think God is a robot mindlessly following a script.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A script is usually written by someone else. God has written what will
>>>>>>happen in the future, thus it will certainly happen.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why has God chosen such a wacky path?
>>>>
>>>>God's "path" will straighten out ALL wrongdoings of humans.
>>>
>>>I'll need you to explain that.
>>
>>Humans who kill, humans who steal, humans involved in immorality,
>>humans hooked on drugs, humans who cheat, humans who torture, etc,
>>etc.
>
>God chose to make us that. God would need to change
>dramatically before he would undo those things.

You would need to change dramatically in order for God to accept you
into his earthly home.

>
>>>>Even Dragon Man. (looks more like an unknown branch from the ape family)
>>>
>>>What is Dragon Man?
>>
>>A thousands of years old skull recently found I believe in China. They
>>say they may have to rewrite human evolution because of that
>>discovery.
>
>Creationists say?

That is up to each religion to determine. Some so-called Christian
religions believe in evolution. Some don't.

My religion goes by the Bible, thus does not accept evolution.

>
>>>>>>>>>>Thus a second test will occur. Those that get an F-, will be tossed
>>>>>>>>>>into the symbolic lake of fire. Those that are left will be found
>>>>>>>>>>tried and true and will live forever on a Paradise earth.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Next door to a pedophile.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Didn't you listen. The wicked will be thrown into the symbolic lake of
>>>>>>fire, which represents eternal death of no conscienceness.
>>>>>
>>>>>According to you pedophiles are not wicked.
>>>>
>>>>Hey, I could lie also if I said, 'You hate your family'.
>>>>
>>>>>"Everything God does is good."
>>>>
>>>>Right on. Just not good for the wicked.
>>>
>>>"Everything God does is good."
>>
>>It's nice to agree with you once in a while.
>
>It's not often you agree with yourself.

Sounds like a split personality.

No and yes. No, God did not create Satan as a murderer. Satan was
created perfect and with a free will,

And yes, God abandoned us to Satan as a test. Millions of us do not
follow Satan's ways. But many millions do. For example, those that
like to commit adultery choose to do so. So they are getting their
reward today.

>
>>>>>>>>At any rate, can't undo spilled milk.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God can. God can even prevent cows being exploited.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If cows were not 'harvested', where would your milk come from to go on
>>>>>>your breakfast cereal?
>>>>>
>>>>>Soy beans.
>>>>
>>>>Yuck!
>>>
>>>Your depression makes you hate everyone.
>>
>>I know. I hate soy bean milk.
>>
>>>
>>>>>But you say it's all good
>>>>
>>>>How about that juicy steak you enjoy once in a while? Or are you a
>>>>vegan or vegetarian?
>>>
>>>You like to see people suffer because you did.
>>
>>Wise answer to my question, "Or are you a vegan or vegetarian?"

Well?

>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>his design?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>God knows no such thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>How can you say that? God says he will fix the problems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>caused by his poor design so he obviously knows.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>His design was perfect. It took disobedience to mess things up. And
>>>>>>>>>>>>God evened warned them what would happen if they disobeyed.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>God warned them he would amend his design?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You wish.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>We all wish that!
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Wishes are like fishes. Sometimes they get away.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Hence your depression.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't have depression. Mine is panic attacks.
>>>>>
>>>>>Part of God's perfect design which you say is all good.
>>>>
>>>>Pre-Adam's sin there were no panic attacks or depression, etc.
>>>>Post-Adam's sin there is all of that and more.
>>>
>>>But you say it's all good.
>>
>>Just the pre-Adam's sin.
>
>What period are you and I living in?

The final last days.

>
>>>>>>>>>>God has no need to amend His designs since all His ways are
>>>>>>>>>>in perfect wisdom
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You are happy to live with your children when there is a
>>>>>>>>>pedophile next door?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What do you think?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You say you approve of all God's ways.
>>>>
>>>>Yes I do. And pedophiles are not one of God's ways.
>>>
>>>Who do you say designed our brain?
>>
>>Aliens from the dwarf planet Pluto.
>
>Thus making God responsible for every thought and every action.

I said aliens, not God.

>
>>>>>>>>But doing it your way, there could be one next door to you, for all
>>>>>>>>eternity.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>What way is my way?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Well, maybe not all eternity for you, but for someone. That is no God,
>>>>>>and when you die, you just go and decompose.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does it scare you that soon you will cease to exist and will
>>>>>be forgotten?
>>>>
>>>>Not at all. Because of this:
>>>>
>>>>(Acts 24:15) And I have hope toward God, which hope these men also
>>>>look forward to, that there is going to be a resurrection of both the
>>>>righteous and the unrighteous.
>>>
>>>Your hope seems very weak.
>>
>>It is as strong as the Bible is. (2 Tim 3:16) Pr 18:10,
>>
>>"The name of Jehovah is a strong tower.
>>Into it the righteous one runs and receives protection."
>>
>>That is, a spiritual "protection" against Satan and his angelic demon
>>troups.
>
>Very weak.

Yet firm and faith strengthening..

>
>>>>>>>>Doing it God's way, there would not always be one there, for
>>>>>>>>ever.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God says he will fix the problems caused by his poor design so he
>>>>>>>obviously knows he did wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You are putting words in God's mouth.
>>>>>
>>>>>Think of it as a different translation.
>>>>
>>>>Actually a very flawed translation.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>In Isaiah 45:7 KJV God himself says he creates evil.
>>>>>Later translations try to soften that by saying God creates calamity.
>>>>
>>>>"Calamity"to all people is still bad. But you know the real meaning of
>>>>that Scripture at Isa 45:7.
>>>
>>>Yes.
>>>
>>>>Do you see what you are doing? The same thing you accuse me of doing;
>>>>believing the Scriptures you like, and ignoring others. I accept the
>>>>whole Bible. There are no Scriptures I ignore.
>>>
>>>Have you allowed a witch to live?
>>
>>If we were still under those Mosaic Laws, I would support them. BUT WE
>>ARE NO LONGER UNDER THEM. Thus witches are all over the place, even on
>>film. (Bewitched)
>
>Unicorns too.

Who knows, there might have been such things way back in the past.
Cows and bulls and goats all have horns. Why not horses.

As for the wings, I don't think they would be large enough to induce
flight. Horses on an average weigh 1000 lbs or under.
\
Besides that, there just isn't enough horses working in the control
towers.

>
>>>>>>God never had a poor design. (if you think so, then you must hate yourself)
>>>>>
>>>>>What is God going to fix?
>>>>
>>>>ALL things that hurt or depress us, such as suffering and death.
>>>
>>>You wrote,
>>>"God never had a poor design."
>>>
>>
>>So true.


>
>Why fix a good design?

Or as they say, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

You keep forgetting that some important issues have to be settled
first.

>
>>>>>>> Oh, but I wouldn't want to. I wouldn't want to get in on his
>>>>>>>terms. They're wrong.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I wouldn't worry about that if I was you.
>>>>>
>>>>>I am cursed with empathy.
>>>>
>>>>Actually, you are cursed with Satan's desires.
>>>
>>>Satan does try to help us overcome God.
>>
>>Yes, he is God's original enemy. Satan is the one who encourages
>>pedophiles to abduct little boys and girls, abuse them, then kill
>>them. Satan loves that, because he knows God hates such things.
>>He says children should be disiplined and loved.
>
>God designed our brain and God orders naughty children
>to be stoned to death.
>God kills nine million children under five every year.
>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?

Can you imagine the effect such sayings are to God. God has feelings
also.

>
>>>>>>> Now, if I died and it was Pluto, Hades and if it were the twelve
>>>>>>>Greek gods, then I'd have more truck with it because the Greeks didn't
>>>>>>>pretend not to be human in their appetites, and in their
>>>>>>>capriciousness and their unreasonableness; they didn't present
>>>>>>>themselves as being all-seeing, all-wise, all-kind, all-munificent;
>>>>>>>because the god who created this universe (if it was created by God)
>>>>>>>is, quite clearly, a maniac - utter maniac, totally selfish.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You need to change out of those negative clothes.
>>>>>
>>>>>I notice you don't dispute what Stephen Fry said.
>>>>
>>>>>>> Stephen Fry:
>>>>>>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>>>>>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>>>>>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>>>>>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil.
>>>>
>>>>He is wrong. God didn't create bone cancer in children. The result of
>>>>Adam's sin, made it happen.
>>>
>>>Who do you say created Adam?
>>
>>Remember, those aliens from Pluto.
>
>Thus making God responsible for every thought and every action.

That answer has nothing to do with those aliens.

>
>>>>>Why should I respect a
>>>>>>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>>>>>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say
>>>>
>>>>God DIDN'T create a world that is so full of injustice and pain. The
>>>>result of Adam's sin did.
>>>
>>>Who do you say created Adam?
>>
>>Aliens from Pluto.
>
>Thus making God responsible for every thought and every action.
>

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>>>>>>> We have to spend our life on our knees thanking him? What kind of
>>>>>>>god would do that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>No one said that must be done.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yes, the world is very splendid, but it also has in it insects
>>>>>>>whose whole life-cycle is to burrow into the eyes of children and make
>>>>>>>them blind. They eat outwards from the eyes. Why did you do that? Why?
>>>>>>>Why did you do that to us? You could easily have made a creation where
>>>>>>>that didn't exist. It is simply not acceptable.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God didn't create such a thing to happen.
>>>>>
>>>>>Bzzzzt!
>>>>>John 1:3
>>>>>God created everything through him, and nothing was created except
>>>>>through him.
>>>>>
>>>>Yes, all the plants and animals and humans were created by God. Also,
>>>>the universe and all natural things in it.
>>>
>>>They eat outwards from the eyes. Why did you do that? Why?
>>>Why did you do that to us? You could easily have made a creation
>>>where that didn't exist.

> It is simply not acceptable.

He easily did make a creation without such things.

>>
>>I am sure Satan has something to do with that, but can't prove it.


>
>They eat outwards from the eyes. Why did God do that? Why?
>Why did God do that to us? He could easily have made a creation
>where that didn't exist. ___It is simply not acceptable.___

And God initially did create a beautiful with garden no negative
things happening.

>
>>>>>>In the beginning, ALL life
>>>>>>forms were scared of humans. Thus humans always had them in
>>>>>>subjection.
>>>>>
>>>>>That's not good.
>>>>>
>>>>>>WITHOUT ADAM'S SIN, THERE NEVER WAS TO BE SUCH A THING.
>>>>>
>>>>>GOD DID A VERY GREAT WRONG BY MAKING ADAM SIN.
>>>>
>>>>And He makes you sin every day, right?
>>>
>>>I don't sin.
>>
>>The Bible says if you say, "I don't sin", you are a liar and the truth
>>is not in you.
>
>The bible says the moon is a light.

We say the same things today: "the light of the silvery moon";
moonlight, etc

>
>>>>>>> So, you know, atheism is not just about not believing there's a
>>>>>>>god - but, on the assumption there is one, what kind of god is it?
>>>>>>>It's perfectly apparent that he is monstrous, utterly monstrous, and
>>>>>>>deserves no respect whatsoever. The moment you banish him your life
>>>>>>>becomes simpler, purer, cleaner - more worth living in my opinion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, I would join you IF GOD CREATED SUCH THINGS. BUT HE DIDN'T. you
>>>>>>are accusing an innocent being.
>>>>>
>>>>>Replay:
>>>>>John 1:3
>>>>>God created everything through him, and nothing was created except
>>>>>through him.
>>>>
>>>>What about Playboy magazines, death squads, organized crime, rapists,
>>>>murderers, thieves, etc?
>>>
>>>Who do you say designed our brain?
>>
>>Recall, they are from Pluto.
>
>Thus making God responsible for every thought and every action.
>You are accusing an innocent being.

The Plutonians don't agree with you.

A beautiful angel whose name we do not know.

> so he could break up his works?

The Bible doesn't say the reason for the creation of the angels.

Only in the beginning of His creation.

>"Everything God does is good."

God can't do bad.

>
>>>>>Bible says Satan told the truth and God lied.
>>>>
>>>>Well let's see:
>>>>
>>>>"2. And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of
>>>>the trees of the garden:
>>>> 3. But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden,
>>>>God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest
>>>>ye die.
>>>> 4. And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:"
>>>>
>>>>WHERE IS EVE TODAY? I don't see her anywhere. She couldn't have died,
>>>>could she?
>>>>
>>>>God told the truth. The Devil told the lie.
>>>
>>>God said they would die the day they ate. God lied
>>
>>The Bible has several uses for the word "day". One of them is 1000
>>years. We vary how we use it to. For example, "In my grandfather's
>>day".
>>
>>- King James
>>2 Peter 3:8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one
>>day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one
>>day.
>>
>>So Eve died within God's "day". So did Adam.
>
>Face it. God lied.

Were you just in the bathroom? As I said before, God can't lie.

>
>>>The serpent said they would be as gods knowing right and wrong.
>>>Bible says the serpent was right.
>>
>>Satan lied in telling Eve she would not die, but told the truth about
>>them getting to know good and bad. You know how God tells good from
>>bad? He defines it.
>
>Not in our world.

Esp in our Satanic world.

>
>>Thus Satan wanted them to insult God by determining for themselves
>>what was good and what was bad. And not let God do it.
>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>Saying God is evil, is evil.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How so?
>>>>>>>How will God learn otherwise?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God already knows almost everything. There is nothing you could teach
>>>>>>Him. But He could teach you a lot.
>>>>>
>>>>>God has not finished playing his cruel games with us.
>>>>
>>>>Substitute the word "Satan" for the word "God", and you will have the
>>>>truth.
>>>
>>>You are desperate for God to fix the mess he made.
>>
>>Replace "Adam" for "he" and you will have it right.
>
>Next you will be telling me the FMC caused God to make
>the mess we are in. :)

How did you find out?

>
>>>>>>>>Do you always like to be playing the "Devil's advocate"?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Devil did not create itself.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>BEEP! BUZZZ! You lose. That is exactly what Satan did to himself.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Is it possible God thinks he is playing a computer game?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>A computer game isn't real. And just like depression, life is real.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Why have you chosen to be depressed?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I was referring to your suffering of bouts of depression.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I'm asking Why have you chosen to be depressed?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>You made the claim.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Prove it please.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You said people choose their personality.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>For the most part yes, give or take some slight genetic influence. A
>>>>>>serial murder chooses to do what he wants. No one has a gun to his
>>>>>>head.
>>>>>
>>>>>Metaphorically speaking God has a gun to his head.
>>>>
>>>>Yea, a squirt gun. (whatever that means)
>>>
>>>You say you don't choose to have panic attacks.
>>>Why can't you accept that people don't choose to be homosexual,
>>>or pedophiles?
>>
>>Because you are comparing a medical condition with a chosen
>>personality type. You are mixing apples and oranges.
>
>The cause of homosexuality and pedophilia is the same as
>for panic attacks, being a brain problem. The brain you say
>God designed.

There is no mind in evolution. Just how would that brain come
together"

>
>>>>>>And no court of law accepts the excuse that bad genes made him do it.
>>>>>>Or his cave man instincts came through. The courts believe each person
>>>>>>has the free will to choose what he does in life.
>>>>>
>>>>>In some cases they will say not guilty due to insanity.
>>>>>
>>>>>How do you think the courts would respond if you did
>>>>>something illegal caused by a panic attack?
>>>>
>>>>Or you went on a murderous spree because of severe depression.
>>>>
>>>>It all depends on the jury. But the bad gene theory doesn't hold
>>>>water.
>>>
>>>Why is it that humans, cows, and birds display the effect of
>>>a selfish gene?
>>
>>What gene? Have they identified one? Even so, the Bible does declares
>>humans to be selfish and sinners. Ps 10:3,
>>
>>"3 For the wicked has praised himself over the selfish longing of his
>>soul,
>>And the one making undue profit has blessed himself;"
>>
>>The word "soul" here means a person, mind and body.
>
>Why is it that humans, cows, and birds act as though they
>have a selfish gene?

Instinct.

>
>>>Do you see yourself as unrighteous because you have a mental
>>>health issue?
>>
>>Not "unrighteous", but "imperfect".
>>>
>>>Who do you say designed our brain?
>>
>>For the last time, interstellar aliens from the dwarf planet Pluto.
>>Ask a silly question, get a silly answer.
>
>Thus making God responsible for all our problems.

And Satan is a sweet little guy that wouldn't hurt a flea.

>
>How are going with that list?

What list?

[Lucifer]

On Thu, 08 Jul 2021 19:14:03 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

>On Fri, 02 Jul 2021 19:54:02 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 01 Jul 2021 12:04:22 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 10:02:56 +1000, Lucifer
>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>>I said
>>>>It's a bit different in God's case as God knowingly designed
>>>>people to be criminals, and God has the ability to completely
>>>>rehabilitate criminals
>
>Did He design you in that way?

You did say God designed our brain.

>Why?

That's the question I have been asking you.
Why did God design our brain such that some would be criminals,
some would be homosexual, some would be pedophiles, some
would have panic attacks, we would be affected by drugs, some
would dominate to the detriment of others, and some would
just not care?

>My religion goes by the Bible, thus does not accept evolution.

Then you do not accept computers, the internet, motor cars,
and drugs to treat panic attacks which you chose.

But you do accept rape, killing of naughty children and
homosexuals, and witches, because they are in the bible.

>>>God ALWAYS lived. He is way past boredom.
>>
>>That could explain why God created Satan as a murderer then
>>abandoned us to Satan.
>
>No and yes. No, God did not create Satan as a murderer. Satan was
>created perfect and with a free will,

Bible says Satan was a murderer from the day God created him.

>And yes, God abandoned us to Satan as a test.

That's ridiculous. God knows how he made us.

>Millions of us do not follow Satan's ways.

That's a pity.

>But many millions do.

Thank Zeus for that.

>For example, those that like to commit adultery choose to do so.

That's God's way. God designed our brain.

>So they are getting their reward today.

Many of them are very happy.

>> Stephen Fry:
>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.
>>

>>God designed our brain and God orders naughty children
>>to be stoned to death.
>>God kills nine million children under five every year.
>>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?
>
>Can you imagine the effect such sayings are to God. God has feelings
>also.

You said God doesn't understand us.

God said they would die the day they ate. God lied

>>How are going with that list?
>
>What list?

You said you would post a list things you have chosen to believe
about God since you don't believe in the God of the bible.

>James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Fri, 09 Jul 2021 21:13:55 +1000, Lucifer

<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 08 Jul 2021 19:14:03 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 02 Jul 2021 19:54:02 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 01 Jul 2021 12:04:22 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 10:02:56 +1000, Lucifer
>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>>I said
>>>>>It's a bit different in God's case as God knowingly designed
>>>>>people to be criminals, and God has the ability to completely
>>>>>rehabilitate criminals
>>
>>Did He design you in that way?
>
>You did say God designed our brain.

Yes, He is responsible for the original design.

>
>>Why?
>
>That's the question I have been asking you.
>Why did God design our brain such that some would be criminals,
>some would be homosexual, some would be pedophiles, some
>would have panic attacks, we would be affected by drugs, some
>would dominate to the detriment of others, and some would
>just not care?

For one thing, it PROVES that humans can't get along peacefully and
safely without God's guidance:

-- New King James
Jeremiah 10:23 O Lord, I know the way of man is not in himself; it is
not in man who walks to direct his own steps.

>
>>My religion goes by the Bible, thus does not accept evolution.
>
>Then you do not accept computers, the internet, motor cars,
>and drugs to treat panic attacks which you chose.

You can't speak for me. I do accept computers, the internet, motor
cars, and drugs to treat panic attacks which you chose. (the drugs,
not the attacks) I also accept that atheism is as wrong as evolution.
And one day soon you will find that out the hard way. (Hopefully not)

>
>But you do accept rape, killing of naughty children and
>homosexuals, and witches, because they are in the bible.

How many times can you be wrong? Let me bring truth into your
statement.

I do not AT THIS TIME accept rape, killing of naughty children (he was
a drunkard, thus not so little), nor the killing of homosexuals and
witches. (Samantha can breath easy)

>
>>>>God ALWAYS lived. He is way past boredom.
>>>
>>>That could explain why God created Satan as a murderer then
>>>abandoned us to Satan.
>>
>>No and yes. No, God did not create Satan as a murderer. Satan was
>>created perfect and with a free will,
>
>Bible says Satan was a murderer from the day God created him.

It doesn't use those words at all. It states "from the beginning".
Notice:

"By “the beginning” John clearly means the beginning of Satan’s career
of opposition, even as “beginning” is used to refer to the start of
the discipleship of Christians at 1 John 2:7; 3:11. John’s words show
that, once having introduced sin, Satan continued his sinful course.
Hence, any person that “makes sin his business or practice” reveals
himself to be a ‘child’ of the Adversary, spiritual offspring
reflecting the qualities of his “father.”—The Expositor’s Greek
Testament, edited by W. R. Nicoll, 1967, Vol. V, p. 185; Joh 8:44; 1Jo
3:10-12. (Insight on the Scriptures, Vol 2, p. 963)

>
>>And yes, God abandoned us to Satan as a test.
>
>That's ridiculous. God knows how he made us.

God also knows the effect Adam's sin had on his descendants.

>
>>Millions of us do not follow Satan's ways.
>
>That's a pity.

It is too bad you really don't know what you are talking about.
Satanic things are usually torture and death. Google all the crimes
committed by people who serve Satan. Satan and his henchmen love to
torture and kill mothers, fathers, children, and even animals, etc.

Recall in the Bible where Jesus drove out demons into a herd of pigs.
And what did the demons (pigs) then do? They all ran off a cliff and
killed them all. That shows the disposition of the demons and Satan.
They got a THRILL out of killing them.

So if you are supporting Satan, you are supporting all the grotesque
crimes they commit against humans. And I feel pity for you.

>
>>But many millions do.
>
>Thank Zeus for that.

I might just as well thank my toilet. My toilet is greater than Zeus,
because it is real.

>
>>For example, those that like to commit adultery choose to do so.
>
>That's God's way. God designed our brain.

God gave us free will. And he wants us to use it wisely.

>
>>So they are getting their reward today.
>
>Many of them are very happy.
>
>>> Stephen Fry:
>>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.
>>>
>>>God designed our brain and God orders naughty children
>>>to be stoned to death.
>>>God kills nine million children under five every year.
>>>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?
>>
>>Can you imagine the effect such sayings are to God. God has feelings
>>also.
>
>You said God doesn't understand us.

You have that backwards. We don't fully understand God, and never
will.

>
>God said they would die the day they ate. God lied

Only in your mind. I have already shared the truth of that statement.
If you want it repeated, just ask.

>
>>>How are going with that list?
>>
>>What list?
>
>You said you would post a list things you have chosen to believe
>about God since you don't believe in the God of the bible.

Wake up! You must be dreaming these falsehoods.

[tesla sTinker]

On 6/14/2021 3:26 AM, Gregory Carr scribbled:

you got Diane and the devil answering each other. way to do dip shit.
Not that it matters, God knows His Own. And they, are not His.

[Lucifer]

On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 17:19:22 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

>On Fri, 09 Jul 2021 21:13:55 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 08 Jul 2021 19:14:03 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 02 Jul 2021 19:54:02 +1000, Lucifer
>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 01 Jul 2021 12:04:22 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 10:02:56 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>I said
>>>>>>It's a bit different in God's case as God knowingly designed
>>>>>>people to be criminals, and God has the ability to completely
>>>>>>rehabilitate criminals
>>>
>>>Did He design you in that way?
>>
>>You did say God designed our brain.
>
>Yes, He is responsible for the original design.

You know our brain determines how we think and act.

>>>Why?
>>
>>That's the question I have been asking you.
>>Why did God design our brain such that some would be criminals,
>>some would be homosexual, some would be pedophiles, some
>>would have panic attacks, we would be affected by drugs, some
>>would dominate to the detriment of others, and some would
>>just not care?
>
>For one thing, it PROVES that humans can't get along peacefully and
>safely without God's guidance:
>
>-- New King James
>Jeremiah 10:23 O Lord, I know the way of man is not in himself; it is
>not in man who walks to direct his own steps.

Why did God design our brain that way?

>>>My religion goes by the Bible, thus does not accept evolution.
>>
>>Then you do not accept computers, the internet, motor cars,
>>and drugs to treat panic attacks which you chose.
>
>You can't speak for me.

I can read your posts.

>I do accept computers, the internet, motor
>cars, and drugs to treat panic attacks which you chose. (the drugs,
>not the attacks) I also accept that atheism is as wrong as evolution.

In the meantime you can continue to benefit from our
knowledge of evolution.

>And one day soon you will find that out the hard way. (Hopefully not)
>
>>
>>But you do accept rape, killing of naughty children and
>>homosexuals, and witches, because they are in the bible.
>
>How many times can you be wrong? Let me bring truth into your
>statement.
>
>I do not AT THIS TIME accept rape, killing of naughty children (he was
>a drunkard, thus not so little), nor the killing of homosexuals and
>witches. (Samantha can breath easy)

Those things are in the bible.

>>>>>God ALWAYS lived. He is way past boredom.
>>>>
>>>>That could explain why God created Satan as a murderer then
>>>>abandoned us to Satan.
>>>
>>>No and yes. No, God did not create Satan as a murderer. Satan was
>>>created perfect and with a free will,
>>
>>Bible says Satan was a murderer from the day God created him.
>
>It doesn't use those words at all. It states "from the beginning".
>Notice:
>
>"By “the beginning” John clearly means the beginning of Satan’s career
>of opposition, even as “beginning” is used to refer to the start of
>the discipleship of Christians at 1 John 2:7; 3:11. John’s words show
>that, once having introduced sin, Satan continued his sinful course.
>Hence, any person that “makes sin his business or practice” reveals
>himself to be a ‘child’ of the Adversary, spiritual offspring
>reflecting the qualities of his “father.”—The Expositor’s Greek
>Testament, edited by W. R. Nicoll, 1967, Vol. V, p. 185; Joh 8:44; 1Jo
>3:10-12. (Insight on the Scriptures, Vol 2, p. 963)
>>
>>>And yes, God abandoned us to Satan as a test.
>>
>>That's ridiculous. God knows how he made us.
>
>God also knows the effect Adam's sin had on his descendants.

Did God look ahead?

>>>Millions of us do not follow Satan's ways.
>>
>>That's a pity.
>
>It is too bad you really don't know what you are talking about.

Too bad God chose to make me that way.

>Satanic things are usually torture and death. Google all the crimes
>committed by people who serve Satan. Satan and his henchmen love to
>torture and kill mothers, fathers, children, and even animals, etc.

You are confusing Satan with God.

>Recall in the Bible where Jesus drove out demons into a herd of pigs.
>And what did the demons (pigs) then do? They all ran off a cliff and
>killed them all. That shows the disposition of the demons and Satan.
>They got a THRILL out of killing them.

Did Jesus pay the owner compensation?

>So if you are supporting Satan, you are supporting all the grotesque
>crimes they commit against humans. And I feel pity for you.

Substitute God for Satan to correct the above.

>>>But many millions do.
>>
>>Thank Zeus for that.
>
>I might just as well thank my toilet. My toilet is greater than Zeus,
>because it is real.

Why did God decide to use human feaces to spread disease?
For information Google open defecation.

>>>For example, those that like to commit adultery choose to do so.
>>
>>That's God's way. God designed our brain.
>
>God gave us free will. And he wants us to use it wisely.

You said God designed our brain.

>>>So they are getting their reward today.
>>
>>Many of them are very happy.
>>
>>>> Stephen Fry:
>>>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>>>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.
>>>>
>>>>God designed our brain and God orders naughty children
>>>>to be stoned to death.
>>>>God kills nine million children under five every year.
>>>>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?
>>>
>>>Can you imagine the effect such sayings are to God. God has feelings
>>>also.
>>
>>You said God doesn't understand us.
>
>You have that backwards. We don't fully understand God, and never
>will.

God kills nine million children under five every year.
Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?

>>God said they would die the day they ate. God lied
>
>Only in your mind. I have already shared the truth of that statement.
>If you want it repeated, just ask.

I already know you are wrong.

>>>>How are going with that list?
>>>
>>>What list?
>>
>>You said you would post a list things you have chosen to believe
>>about God since you don't believe in the God of the bible.
>
>Wake up! You must be dreaming these falsehoods.

You said you would. Don't back out now.

>James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 21:24:22 +1000, Lucifer

Because He made us.

>
>>>>My religion goes by the Bible, thus does not accept evolution.
>>>
>>>Then you do not accept computers, the internet, motor cars,
>>>and drugs to treat panic attacks which you chose.
>>
>>You can't speak for me.
>
>I can read your posts.

Yes, anyone can.

>
>>I do accept computers, the internet, motor
>>cars, and drugs to treat panic attacks which you chose. (the drugs,
>>not the attacks) I also accept that atheism is as wrong as evolution.
>
>In the meantime you can continue to benefit from our
>knowledge of evolution.

Since evolution is bogus, there can be no real knowledge from it.

>
>>And one day soon you will find that out the hard way. (Hopefully not)
>>
>>>
>>>But you do accept rape, killing of naughty children and
>>>homosexuals, and witches, because they are in the bible.
>>
>>How many times can you be wrong? Let me bring truth into your
>>statement.
>>
>>I do not AT THIS TIME accept rape, killing of naughty children (he was
>>a drunkard, thus not so little), nor the killing of homosexuals and
>>witches. (Samantha can breath easy)
>
>Those things are in the bible.

The Israelites were God's special people at that time. They no longer
are. Christ ended ALL of those laws. We now go by the law of Christ.

>
>>>>>>God ALWAYS lived. He is way past boredom.
>>>>>
>>>>>That could explain why God created Satan as a murderer then
>>>>>abandoned us to Satan.
>>>>
>>>>No and yes. No, God did not create Satan as a murderer. Satan was
>>>>created perfect and with a free will,
>>>
>>>Bible says Satan was a murderer from the day God created him.
>>
>>It doesn't use those words at all. It states "from the beginning".
>>Notice:
>>
>>"By “the beginning” John clearly means the beginning of Satan’s career
>>of opposition, even as “beginning” is used to refer to the start of
>>the discipleship of Christians at 1 John 2:7; 3:11. John’s words show
>>that, once having introduced sin, Satan continued his sinful course.
>>Hence, any person that “makes sin his business or practice” reveals
>>himself to be a ‘child’ of the Adversary, spiritual offspring
>>reflecting the qualities of his “father.”—The Expositor’s Greek
>>Testament, edited by W. R. Nicoll, 1967, Vol. V, p. 185; Joh 8:44; 1Jo
>>3:10-12. (Insight on the Scriptures, Vol 2, p. 963)
>>>
>>>>And yes, God abandoned us to Satan as a test.
>>>
>>>That's ridiculous. God knows how he made us.
>>
>>God also knows the effect Adam's sin had on his descendants.
>
>Did God look ahead?

Unlikely.

>
>>>>Millions of us do not follow Satan's ways.
>>>
>>>That's a pity.
>>
>>It is too bad you really don't know what you are talking about.
>
>Too bad God chose to make me that way.

If you blame everything on a 'non existing God', how do you function?

>
>>Satanic things are usually torture and death. Google all the crimes
>>committed by people who serve Satan. Satan and his henchmen love to
>>torture and kill mothers, fathers, children, and even animals, etc.
>
>You are confusing Satan with God

When God's time for judgment comes, you won't be confusing anyone with

God.

>
>>Recall in the Bible where Jesus drove out demons into a herd of pigs.
>>And what did the demons (pigs) then do? They all ran off a cliff and
>>killed them all. That shows the disposition of the demons and Satan.
>>They got a THRILL out of killing them.
>
>Did Jesus pay the owner compensation?

No, and they were mad. But you are missing the point. If you are
unknowingly working for Satan, that is the personality you are dealing
with.

>
>>So if you are supporting Satan, you are supporting all the grotesque
>>crimes they commit against humans. And I feel pity for you.
>
>Substitute God for Satan to correct the above.

Hopefully He will forgive you.

>
>>>>But many millions do.
>>>
>>>Thank Zeus for that.
>>
>>I might just as well thank my toilet. My toilet is greater than Zeus,
>>because it is real.
>
>Why did God decide to use human feaces to spread disease?
>For information Google open defecation.

We don't know if a perfect person had disease.

>
>>>>For example, those that like to commit adultery choose to do so.
>>>
>>>That's God's way. God designed our brain.
>>
>>God gave us free will. And he wants us to use it wisely.
>
>You said God designed our brain.

Respectfully, He sure didn't design yours this way.

>
>>>>So they are getting their reward today.
>>>
>>>Many of them are very happy.
>>>
>>>>> Stephen Fry:
>>>>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>>>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>>>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>>>>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>>>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.
>>>>>
>>>>>God designed our brain and God orders naughty children
>>>>>to be stoned to death.
>>>>>God kills nine million children under five every year.
>>>>>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?
>>>>
>>>>Can you imagine the effect such sayings are to God. God has feelings
>>>>also.
>>>
>>>You said God doesn't understand us.

You said you love God.

Make a silly statement, get a silly comment.

>>
>>You have that backwards. We don't fully understand God, and never
>>will.
>
>God kills nine million children under five every year.
>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?

Substitute "God" for "Satan". That makes Satan's day.

>
>>>God said they would die the day they ate. God lied
>>
>>Only in your mind. I have already shared the truth of that statement.
>>If you want it repeated, just ask.
>
>I already know you are wrong.

Oh really! 2 Peter 3:8,

"However, do not let this escape your notice, beloved ones, that one
day is with Jehovah as a thousand years and a thousand years as one
day."

Thus Adam died within God's "day".

>
>>>>>How are going with that list?
>>>>
>>>>What list?
>>>
>>>You said you would post a list things you have chosen to believe
>>>about God since you don't believe in the God of the bible.
>>
>>Wake up! You must be dreaming these falsehoods.
>
>You said you would. Don't back out now.

I don't have to comment on false words.

[Lucifer]

On Mon, 23 Aug 2021 14:20:47 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

>On Mon, 12 Jul 2021 21:24:22 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 11 Jul 2021 17:19:22 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 09 Jul 2021 21:13:55 +1000, Lucifer
>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 08 Jul 2021 19:14:03 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 02 Jul 2021 19:54:02 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Thu, 01 Jul 2021 12:04:22 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Wed, 30 Jun 2021 10:02:56 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>I said
>>>>>>>>It's a bit different in God's case as God knowingly designed
>>>>>>>>people to be criminals, and God has the ability to completely
>>>>>>>>rehabilitate criminals
>>>>>
>>>>>Did He design you in that way?
>>>>
>>>>You did say God designed our brain.
>>>
>>>Yes, He is responsible for the original design.
>>
>>You know our brain determines how we think and act.
>>
>>>>>Why?
>>>>
>>>>That's the question I have been asking you.

k>>>>Why did God design our brain such that some would be criminals,

>>>>some would be homosexual, some would be pedophiles, some
>>>>would have panic attacks, we would be affected by drugs, some
>>>>would dominate to the detriment of others, and some would
>>>>just not care?
>>>
>>>For one thing, it PROVES that humans can't get along peacefully and
>>>safely without God's guidance:
>>>
>>>-- New King James
>>>Jeremiah 10:23 O Lord, I know the way of man is not in himself; it is
>>>not in man who walks to direct his own steps.
>>
>>Why did God design our brain that way?
>
>Because He made us.

You do know that might does not make right.
God is not good.

>>>>>My religion goes by the Bible, thus does not accept evolution.

That makes no sense.
Next you will be saying you can't accept man made medication.

>>>>Then you do not accept computers, the internet, motor cars,
>>>>and drugs to treat panic attacks which you chose.
>>>
>>>You can't speak for me.
>>
>>I can read your posts.
>
>Yes, anyone can.
>
>>
>>>I do accept computers, the internet, motor
>>>cars, and drugs to treat panic attacks which you chose. (the drugs,
>>>not the attacks) I also accept that atheism is as wrong as evolution.
>>
>>In the meantime you can continue to benefit from our
>>knowledge of evolution.
>
>Since evolution is bogus, there can be no real knowledge from it.

If you keep saying that, and click your heels 3 times, you
will cease to exist.

>>>And one day soon you will find that out the hard way. (Hopefully not)
>>>
>>>>
>>>>But you do accept rape, killing of naughty children and
>>>>homosexuals, and witches, because they are in the bible.
>>>
>>>How many times can you be wrong? Let me bring truth into your
>>>statement.
>>>
>>>I do not AT THIS TIME accept rape, killing of naughty children (he was
>>>a drunkard, thus not so little), nor the killing of homosexuals and
>>>witches. (Samantha can breath easy)
>>
>>Those things are in the bible.
>
>The Israelites were God's special people at that time. They no longer
>are. Christ ended ALL of those laws. We now go by the law of Christ.

How do you know God does not want us to kill people who
have panic attacks? The Nazis were supported by God and
would likely have had you killed.

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 08:23:40 +1000, Lucifer

Sometimes it does. In this case it does with God.

>God is not good.

On the contrary, He gave you your 5 senses, without with, you would
not know existance.

>
>>>>>>My religion goes by the Bible, thus does not accept evolution.
>
>That makes no sense.
>Next you will be saying you can't accept man made medication.

I have been, and do continue to accept it.

>
>>>>>Then you do not accept computers, the internet, motor cars,
>>>>>and drugs to treat panic attacks which you chose.
>>>>
>>>>You can't speak for me.
>>>
>>>I can read your posts.
>>
>>Yes, anyone can.
>>
>>>
>>>>I do accept computers, the internet, motor
>>>>cars, and drugs to treat panic attacks which you chose. (the drugs,
>>>>not the attacks) I also accept that atheism is as wrong as evolution.
>>>
>>>In the meantime you can continue to benefit from our
>>>knowledge of evolution.
>>
>>Since evolution is bogus, there can be no real knowledge from it.
>
>If you keep saying that, and click your heels 3 times, you
>will cease to exist.

Only if I find that pot of gold at the rainbow's end.

>
>>>>And one day soon you will find that out the hard way. (Hopefully not)
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>But you do accept rape, killing of naughty children and
>>>>>homosexuals, and witches, because they are in the bible.
>>>>
>>>>How many times can you be wrong? Let me bring truth into your
>>>>statement.
>>>>
>>>>I do not AT THIS TIME accept rape, killing of naughty children (he was
>>>>a drunkard, thus not so little), nor the killing of homosexuals and
>>>>witches. (Samantha can breath easy)
>>>
>>>Those things are in the bible.
>>
>>The Israelites were God's special people at that time. They no longer
>>are. Christ ended ALL of those laws. We now go by the law of Christ.
>
>How do you know God does not want us to kill people who
>have panic attacks? The Nazis were supported by God and
>would likely have had you killed.

It is not good for you to continually make up things.

[Lucifer]

Never! Might may allow abuse and cruelty but might does
not make right. God is not right.

>>God is not good.
>
>On the contrary, He gave you your 5 senses, without with, you would
>not know existance.

How do our 5 senses make up for the horror in God's world?

Stephen Fry:
I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.

>>>>>>>My religion goes by the Bible, thus does not accept evolution.
>>
>>That makes no sense.
>>Next you will be saying you can't accept man made medication.
>
>I have been, and do continue to accept it.

Where is medicine for panic attacks you chose in the bible?

>>>Since evolution is bogus, there can be no real knowledge from it.
>>
>>If you keep saying that, and click your heels 3 times, you
>>will cease to exist.
>
>Only if I find that pot of gold at the rainbow's end.

If you cause evolution to disappear you will never have existed.

>>>>>And one day soon you will find that out the hard way. (Hopefully not)
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But you do accept rape, killing of naughty children and
>>>>>>homosexuals, and witches, because they are in the bible.
>>>>>
>>>>>How many times can you be wrong? Let me bring truth into your
>>>>>statement.
>>>>>
>>>>>I do not AT THIS TIME accept rape, killing of naughty children (he was
>>>>>a drunkard, thus not so little), nor the killing of homosexuals and
>>>>>witches. (Samantha can breath easy)
>>>>
>>>>Those things are in the bible.
>>>
>>>The Israelites were God's special people at that time.

The creator of all has a special people. That's unacceptable.

>>>They no longer are.

God is so petty.

>Christ ended ALL of those laws. We now go by the law of Christ.
>>
>>How do you know God does not want us to kill people who
>>have panic attacks? The Nazis were supported by God and
>>would likely have had you killed.
>
>It is not good for you to continually make up things.

You don't know. You live in fear that God may suddenly erase
you from the timeline.

Is God really that cruel and stupid?

>>>>>Recall in the Bible where Jesus drove out demons into a herd of pigs.
>>>>>And what did the demons (pigs) then do? They all ran off a cliff and
>>>>>killed them all. That shows the disposition of the demons and Satan.
>>>>>They got a THRILL out of killing them.
>>>>
>>>>Did Jesus pay the owner compensation?
>>>
>>>No, and they were mad. But you are missing the point. If you are
>>>unknowingly working for Satan, that is the personality you are dealing
>>>with.

You say Jesus got a thrill out of killing the pigs?

>>>>>So if you are supporting Satan, you are supporting all the grotesque
>>>>>crimes they commit against humans. And I feel pity for you.
>>>>
>>>>Substitute God for Satan to correct the above.
>>>
>>>Hopefully He will forgive you.

Satan knows I have done nothing to require His forgiveness.

>>>>Why did God decide to use human feaces to spread disease?
>>>>For information Google open defecation.
>>>
>>>We don't know if a perfect person had disease.

Why did God decide to use human feces to spread disease?

For information Google open defecation.
For information Google open defecation.

>>>>>>>For example, those that like to commit adultery choose to do so.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That's God's way. God designed our brain.
>>>>>
>>>>>God gave us free will. And he wants us to use it wisely.
>>>>
>>>>You said God designed our brain.
>>>
>>>Respectfully, He sure didn't design yours this way.

Don't try to tell me my brain was designed by a created being.

God is already in,

"God kills nine million children under five every year.
Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?"

You can't imagine the distress of the mothers because you don't care.
You are totally without empathy. A true sociopath.

>James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Tue, 24 Aug 2021 21:44:09 +1000, Lucifer

Only God has the might as well as always doing what is right.

>
>>>God is not good.
>>
>>On the contrary, He gave you your 5 senses, without with, you would
>>not know existance.
>
>How do our 5 senses make up for the horror in God's world?

That should be "god's world".

>
> Stephen Fry:
> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.

And God will clear that up soon, even though He didn't cause it.

>
>>>>>>>>My religion goes by the Bible, thus does not accept evolution.
>>>
>>>That makes no sense.
>>>Next you will be saying you can't accept man made medication.
>>
>>I have been, and do continue to accept it.
>
>Where is medicine for panic attacks you chose in the bible?

Not everything on the planet is in the Bible. Neither is the Trinity,
hellfire, immortal soul, etc.

>
>>>>Since evolution is bogus, there can be no real knowledge from it.
>>>
>>>If you keep saying that, and click your heels 3 times, you
>>>will cease to exist.
>>
>>Only if I find that pot of gold at the rainbow's end.
>
>If you cause evolution to disappear you will never have existed.

I thought you didn't agree with evolution?

>
>>>>>>And one day soon you will find that out the hard way. (Hopefully not)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But you do accept rape, killing of naughty children and
>>>>>>>homosexuals, and witches, because they are in the bible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How many times can you be wrong? Let me bring truth into your
>>>>>>statement.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I do not AT THIS TIME accept rape, killing of naughty children (he was
>>>>>>a drunkard, thus not so little), nor the killing of homosexuals and
>>>>>>witches. (Samantha can breath easy)
>>>>>
>>>>>Those things are in the bible.
>>>>
>>>>The Israelites were God's special people at that time.
>
>The creator of all has a special people. That's unacceptable.

For you maybe, But for millions of other people, it is acceptable.

>
>>>>They no longer are.
>
>God is so petty

And also is so pretty.

>
>>Christ ended ALL of those laws. We now go by the law of Christ.
>>>
>>>How do you know God does not want us to kill people who
>>>have panic attacks? The Nazis were supported by God and
>>>would likely have had you killed.
>>
>>It is not good for you to continually make up things.
>
>You don't know. You live in fear that God may suddenly erase
>you from the timeline.

'Judge not, that you might be judged'.

No, but humans are.

>
>>>>>>Recall in the Bible where Jesus drove out demons into a herd of pigs.
>>>>>>And what did the demons (pigs) then do? They all ran off a cliff and
>>>>>>killed them all. That shows the disposition of the demons and Satan.
>>>>>>They got a THRILL out of killing them.
>>>>>
>>>>>Did Jesus pay the owner compensation?

>>>>
>>>>No, and they were mad. But you are missing the point. If you are
>>>>unknowingly working for Satan, that is the personality you are dealing
>>>>with.
>
>You say Jesus got a thrill out of killing the pigs?

The Bible doesn't mention that Jesus got a "thrill" on it.

>
>>>>>>So if you are supporting Satan, you are supporting all the grotesque
>>>>>>crimes they commit against humans. And I feel pity for you.
>>>>>
>>>>>Substitute God for Satan to correct the above.
>>>>
>>>>Hopefully He will forgive you.
>
>Satan knows I have done nothing to require His forgiveness

Just denouncing God makes Satan happy.

>
>>>>>Why did God decide to use human feaces to spread disease?
>>>>>For information Google open defecation.
>>>>
>>>>We don't know if a perfect person had disease.
>
>Why did God decide to use human feces to spread disease?

He didn't.

>For information Google open defecation.
>For information Google open defecation.
>
>>>>>>>>For example, those that like to commit adultery choose to do so.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That's God's way. God designed our brain.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God gave us free will. And he wants us to use it wisely.
>>>>>
>>>>>You said God designed our brain.
>>>>
>>>>Respectfully, He sure didn't design yours this way.
>
>Don't try to tell me my brain was designed by a created being.

No, I wasn't. God was never created. But Jesus was:

-- King James
Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn
of every creature:

>
>>>>>>>>So they are getting their reward today.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Many of them are very happy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Stephen Fry:
>>>>>>>>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>>>>>>>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>>>>>>>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>>>>>>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>>>>>>>>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>>>>>>>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>God designed our brain and God orders naughty children
>>>>>>>>>to be stoned to death.
>>>>>>>>>God kills nine million children under five every year.
>>>>>>>>>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Can you imagine the effect such sayings are to God. God has feelings
>>>>>>>>also.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You said God doesn't understand us.
>>>>
>>>>You said you love God.

>>>>
>>>>Make a silly statement, get a silly comment.
>
>God kills nine million children under five every year.
>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?

If God wanted to kill people, the global deluge would not have saved
Noah and his family. We would all be toast.

>
>>>>>>You have that backwards. We don't fully understand God, and never
>>>>>>will.
>>>>>
>>>>>God kills nine million children under five every year.
>>>>>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?
>>>>
>>>>Substitute "God" for "Satan". That makes Satan's day.
>
>God is already in,
>"God kills nine million children under five every year.
>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?"

Here is that broken record again.

>
>You can't imagine the distress of the mothers because you don't care.

Prove it. And don't just say 'see above' or 'check past posts'? If I
didn't say it then you are in error.

>You are totally without empathy. A true sociopath.

Recall a sociopath is one without a conscience. I have one.

[Lucifer]

>>>>>>>>Why did God design our brain such that some would be criminals,
>>>>>>>>some would be homosexual, some would be pedophiles, some
>>>>>>>>would have panic attacks, we would be affected by drugs, some
>>>>>>>>would dominate to the detriment of others, and some would
>>>>>>>>just not care?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>For one thing, it PROVES that humans can't get along peacefully and
>>>>>>>safely without God's guidance:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>-- New King James
>>>>>>>Jeremiah 10:23 O Lord, I know the way of man is not in himself; it is
>>>>>>>not in man who walks to direct his own steps.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why did God design our brain that way?
>>>>>
>>>>>Because He made us.
>>>>
>>>>You do know that might does not make right.
>>>
>>>Sometimes it does. In this case it does with God.
>>
>>Never! Might may allow abuse and cruelty but might does
>>not make right. God is not right.
>
>Only God has the might as well as always doing what is right.

In whose opinion?

>>>>God is not good.
>>>
>>>On the contrary, He gave you your 5 senses, without with, you would
>>>not know existance.
>>
>>How do our 5 senses make up for the horror in God's world?
>
>That should be "god's world".

I'm asking,

How do our 5 senses make up for the horror in God's world?

>> Stephen Fry:
>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.
>
>And God will clear that up soon, even though He didn't cause it.

Wow. You really don't care.

>>>>>>>>>My religion goes by the Bible, thus does not accept evolution.
>>>>
>>>>That makes no sense.
>>>>Next you will be saying you can't accept man made medication.
>>>
>>>I have been, and do continue to accept it.
>>
>>Where is medicine for panic attacks you chose in the bible?
>
>Not everything on the planet is in the Bible. Neither is the Trinity,
>hellfire, immortal soul, etc.

So the Trinity, hellfire, immortal soul, etc could be true.

>>>>>Since evolution is bogus, there can be no real knowledge from it.
>>>>
>>>>If you keep saying that, and click your heels 3 times, you
>>>>will cease to exist.
>>>
>>>Only if I find that pot of gold at the rainbow's end.
>>
>>If you cause evolution to disappear you will never have existed.
>
>I thought you didn't agree with evolution?

I don't agree with your strawman.

>>>>>>>And one day soon you will find that out the hard way. (Hopefully not)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But you do accept rape, killing of naughty children and
>>>>>>>>homosexuals, and witches, because they are in the bible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How many times can you be wrong? Let me bring truth into your
>>>>>>>statement.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I do not AT THIS TIME accept rape, killing of naughty children (he was
>>>>>>>a drunkard, thus not so little), nor the killing of homosexuals and
>>>>>>>witches. (Samantha can breath easy)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Those things are in the bible.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Israelites were God's special people at that time.
>>
>>The creator of all has a special people. That's unacceptable.
>
>For you maybe, But for millions of other people, it is acceptable.

Your God is not acceptable.

Stephen Fry:
I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.

>>>Christ ended ALL of those laws. We now go by the law of Christ.
>>>>
>>>>How do you know God does not want us to kill people who
>>>>have panic attacks? The Nazis were supported by God and
>>>>would likely have had you killed.
>>>
>>>It is not good for you to continually make up things.
>>
>>You don't know. You live in fear that God may suddenly erase
>>you from the timeline.
>
>'Judge not, that you might be judged'.

Could that be why God is not judging us?

>Just denouncing God makes Satan happy.

You can't know that.

>>>>>>Why did God decide to use human feaces to spread disease?
>>>>>>For information Google open defecation.
>>>>>
>>>>>We don't know if a perfect person had disease.
>>
>>Why did God decide to use human feces to spread disease?
>
>He didn't.

For information Google open defecation.
For information Google open defecation.

>>God kills nine million children under five every year.
>>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?
>
>If God wanted to kill people, the global deluge would not have saved
>Noah and his family. We would all be toast.

If we were all toast God would have noone left to kill.

>>>>>>>You have that backwards. We don't fully understand God, and never
>>>>>>>will.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God kills nine million children under five every year.
>>>>>>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?
>>>>>
>>>>>Substitute "God" for "Satan". That makes Satan's day.
>>
>>God is already in,
>>"God kills nine million children under five every year.
>>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?"
>
>Here is that broken record again.
>
>>
>>You can't imagine the distress of the mothers because you don't care.
>
>Prove it. And don't just say 'see above' or 'check past posts'? If I
>didn't say it then you are in error.

See above.

>>You are totally without empathy. A true sociopath.
>
>Recall a sociopath is one without a conscience. I have one.

You show no concern for people suffering under your God.

>James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 09:57:43 +1000, Lucifer

Millions of us.

>
>>>>>God is not good.
>>>>
>>>>On the contrary, He gave you your 5 senses, without with, you would
>>>>not know existance.
>>>
>>>How do our 5 senses make up for the horror in God's world?
>>
>>That should be "god's world".
>
>I'm asking,
>How do our 5 senses make up for the horror in God's world?

Its not God's world, but is god's world.

(2 Corinthians 4:4) "among whom the god of this system of things has
blinded the minds of the unbelievers, so that the illumination of the
glorious good news about the Christ, who is the image of God, might
not shine through."

>
>>> Stephen Fry:
>>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.
>>
>>And God will clear that up soon, even though He didn't cause it.
>
>Wow. You really don't care.

A lot more than you can realize.

>
>>>>>>>>>>My religion goes by the Bible, thus does not accept evolution.
>>>>>
>>>>>That makes no sense.
>>>>>Next you will be saying you can't accept man made medication.
>>>>
>>>>I have been, and do continue to accept it.
>>>
>>>Where is medicine for panic attacks you chose in the bible?
>>
>>Not everything on the planet is in the Bible. Neither is the Trinity,
>>hellfire, immortal soul, etc.
>
>So the Trinity, hellfire, immortal soul, etc could be true.

Not a chance. The Bible already condemns them.

>
>>>>>>Since evolution is bogus, there can be no real knowledge from it.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you keep saying that, and click your heels 3 times, you
>>>>>will cease to exist.
>>>>
>>>>Only if I find that pot of gold at the rainbow's end.
>>>
>>>If you cause evolution to disappear you will never have existed.
>>
>>I thought you didn't agree with evolution?
>
>I don't agree with your strawman.

But what about the tin man?

>
>>>>>>>>And one day soon you will find that out the hard way. (Hopefully not)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>But you do accept rape, killing of naughty children and
>>>>>>>>>homosexuals, and witches, because they are in the bible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>How many times can you be wrong? Let me bring truth into your
>>>>>>>>statement.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I do not AT THIS TIME accept rape, killing of naughty children (he was
>>>>>>>>a drunkard, thus not so little), nor the killing of homosexuals and
>>>>>>>>witches. (Samantha can breath easy)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Those things are in the bible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Israelites were God's special people at that time.
>>>
>>>The creator of all has a special people. That's unacceptable.
>>
>>For you maybe, But for millions of other people, it is acceptable.
>
>Your God is not acceptable.
> Stephen Fry:
> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.

And God causes none of that.

>
>>>>Christ ended ALL of those laws. We now go by the law of Christ.
>>>>>
>>>>>How do you know God does not want us to kill people who
>>>>>have panic attacks? The Nazis were supported by God and
>>>>>would likely have had you killed.
>>>>
>>>>It is not good for you to continually make up things.
>>>
>>>You don't know. You live in fear that God may suddenly erase
>>>you from the timeline.
>>
>>'Judge not, that you might be judged'.
>
>Could that be why God is not judging us?

No. God has set aside a day when He will judge the people on the
earth.

>
>>Just denouncing God makes Satan happy.
>
>You can't know that.

According to his character, that's exactly how he acts.

>
>>>>>>>Why did God decide to use human feaces to spread disease?
>>>>>>>For information Google open defecation.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We don't know if a perfect person had disease.
>>>
>>>Why did God decide to use human feces to spread disease?
>>
>>He didn't.
>
>For information Google open defecation.
>For information Google open defecation.

The Bible says to bury it. In other words, to be sanitary.

>
>>>God kills nine million children under five every year.
>>>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?
>>
>>If God wanted to kill people, the global deluge would not have saved
>>Noah and his family. We would all be toast.
>
>If we were all toast God would have noone left to kill.

Correct.

>
>>>>>>>>You have that backwards. We don't fully understand God, and never
>>>>>>>>will.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God kills nine million children under five every year.
>>>>>>>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Substitute "God" for "Satan". That makes Satan's day.
>>>
>>>God is already in,
>>>"God kills nine million children under five every year.
>>>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?"
>>
>>Here is that broken record again.
>>
>>>
>>>You can't imagine the distress of the mothers because you don't care.
>>
>>Prove it. And don't just say 'see above' or 'check past posts'? If I
>>didn't say it then you are in error.
>
>See above.

See what above?

>
>>>You are totally without empathy. A true sociopath.
>>
>>Recall a sociopath is one without a conscience. I have one.
>
>You show no concern for people suffering under your God.

What makes you say that?

[Lucifer]

Sounds like you are proud of your lack of empathy.

>>>>>>>>>>>My religion goes by the Bible, thus does not accept evolution.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That makes no sense.
>>>>>>Next you will be saying you can't accept man made medication.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have been, and do continue to accept it.
>>>>
>>>>Where is medicine for panic attacks you chose in the bible?
>>>
>>>Not everything on the planet is in the Bible. Neither is the Trinity,
>>>hellfire, immortal soul, etc.
>>
>>So the Trinity, hellfire, immortal soul, etc could be true.
>
>Not a chance. The Bible already condemns them.

Does the bible condemn evolution?

>>>>>>>Since evolution is bogus, there can be no real knowledge from it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you keep saying that, and click your heels 3 times, you
>>>>>>will cease to exist.
>>>>>
>>>>>Only if I find that pot of gold at the rainbow's end.
>>>>
>>>>If you cause evolution to disappear you will never have existed.
>>>
>>>I thought you didn't agree with evolution?
>>
>>I don't agree with your strawman.
>
>But what about the tin man?

Why do you feel the need to create a strawman of evolution?

>>>>>>>>>And one day soon you will find that out the hard way. (Hopefully not)
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>But you do accept rape, killing of naughty children and
>>>>>>>>>>homosexuals, and witches, because they are in the bible.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>How many times can you be wrong? Let me bring truth into your
>>>>>>>>>statement.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I do not AT THIS TIME accept rape, killing of naughty children (he was
>>>>>>>>>a drunkard, thus not so little), nor the killing of homosexuals and
>>>>>>>>>witches. (Samantha can breath easy)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Those things are in the bible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Israelites were God's special people at that time.
>>>>
>>>>The creator of all has a special people. That's unacceptable.
>>>
>>>For you maybe, But for millions of other people, it is acceptable.
>>
>>Your God is not acceptable.
>> Stephen Fry:
>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.
>
>And God causes none of that.

The bible says he does. See Genesis 1.

>>>>>Christ ended ALL of those laws. We now go by the law of Christ.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>How do you know God does not want us to kill people who
>>>>>>have panic attacks? The Nazis were supported by God and
>>>>>>would likely have had you killed.
>>>>>
>>>>>It is not good for you to continually make up things.
>>>>
>>>>You don't know. You live in fear that God may suddenly erase
>>>>you from the timeline.
>>>
>>>'Judge not, that you might be judged'.
>>
>>Could that be why God is not judging us?
>
>No. God has set aside a day when He will judge the people on the
>earth.

Matthew 7
King James Version

7 Judge not, that ye be not judged.

2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what
measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.

3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but
considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye?

>>>Just denouncing God makes Satan happy.
>>
>>You can't know that.
>
>According to his character, that's exactly how he acts.

You know nothing about Satan.

>>>>>>>>Why did God decide to use human feaces to spread disease?
>>>>>>>>For information Google open defecation.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We don't know if a perfect person had disease.
>>>>
>>>>Why did God decide to use human feces to spread disease?
>>>
>>>He didn't.
>>
>>For information Google open defecation.
>>For information Google open defecation.
>
>The Bible says to bury it. In other words, to be sanitary.

Why did God decide to use human feces to spread disease?
For information Google open defecation.
For information Google open defecation.

>>>>God kills nine million children under five every year.
>>>>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?
>>>
>>>If God wanted to kill people, the global deluge would not have saved
>>>Noah and his family. We would all be toast.
>>
>>If we were all toast God would have noone left to kill.
>
>Correct.

God is not so stupid as to kill the goose that laid the golden egg.

>>>>>>>>>You have that backwards. We don't fully understand God, and never
>>>>>>>>>will.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God kills nine million children under five every year.
>>>>>>>>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Substitute "God" for "Satan". That makes Satan's day.
>>>>
>>>>God is already in,
>>>>"God kills nine million children under five every year.
>>>>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?"
>>>
>>>Here is that broken record again.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>You can't imagine the distress of the mothers because you don't care.
>>>
>>>Prove it. And don't just say 'see above' or 'check past posts'? If I
>>>didn't say it then you are in error.
>>
>>See above.
>
>See what above?

===================================

>>>>>>>>God kills nine million children under five every year.
>>>>>>>>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Substitute "God" for "Satan". That makes Satan's day.
>>>>
>>>>God is already in,
>>>>"God kills nine million children under five every year.
>>>>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?"

====================================

>>>>You are totally without empathy. A true sociopath.
>>>
>>>Recall a sociopath is one without a conscience. I have one.
>>
>>You show no concern for people suffering under your God.
>
>What makes you say that?

You show no concern in your posts.
And you admitted your lack of empathy is worse than anyone
knows.

>James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 15:03:02 +1000, Lucifer

I can see that you don't have any for me. So who is lacking empathy.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>My religion goes by the Bible, thus does not accept evolution.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That makes no sense.
>>>>>>>Next you will be saying you can't accept man made medication.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I have been, and do continue to accept it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Where is medicine for panic attacks you chose in the bible?
>>>>
>>>>Not everything on the planet is in the Bible. Neither is the Trinity,
>>>>hellfire, immortal soul, etc.
>>>
>>>So the Trinity, hellfire, immortal soul, etc could be true.
>>
>>Not a chance. The Bible already condemns them.
>
>Does the bible condemn evolution?

Yes it does by stipulating that God created the universe and the first
two humans.

>
>>>>>>>>Since evolution is bogus, there can be no real knowledge from it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you keep saying that, and click your heels 3 times, you
>>>>>>>will cease to exist.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Only if I find that pot of gold at the rainbow's end.
>>>>>
>>>>>If you cause evolution to disappear you will never have existed.
>>>>
>>>>I thought you didn't agree with evolution?
>>>
>>>I don't agree with your strawman.
>>
>>But what about the tin man?
>
>Why do you feel the need to create a strawman of evolution?

I don't. I take on evolution directly. For example, dinosaurs became
birds. That is so ludicrous, that it isn't even funny anymore. Did a
monstrous T-Rex became a tiny sparrow? Only in your dreams.

Even the founder of evolution, had his doubts about its validity.

No one does, unless he deals with him directly, or reads about him in
the Bible.

>
>>>>>>>>>Why did God decide to use human feaces to spread disease?
>>>>>>>>>For information Google open defecation.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>We don't know if a perfect person had disease.
>>>>>
>>>>>Why did God decide to use human feces to spread disease?
>>>>
>>>>He didn't.
>>>
>>>For information Google open defecation.
>>>For information Google open defecation.
>>
>>The Bible says to bury it. In other words, to be sanitary.
>
>Why did God decide to use human feces to spread disease?
>For information Google open defecation.
>For information Google open defecation.

Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

>
>>>>>God kills nine million children under five every year.
>>>>>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?
>>>>
>>>>If God wanted to kill people, the global deluge would not have saved
>>>>Noah and his family. We would all be toast.
>>>
>>>If we were all toast God would have noone left to kill.
>>
>>Correct.
>
>God is not so stupid as to kill the goose that laid the golden egg.

You must be yolking.

You are wrong. I do have concerns for innocent people who suffer. But
I don't blame God for their suffering.

>>
>>What makes you say that?
>
>You show no concern in your posts.

And you do?

>And you admitted your lack of empathy is worse than anyone
>knows.

Does thou speakith English?

[Lucifer]

On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 11:16:20 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

>On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 15:03:02 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 11:11:32 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 09:57:43 +1000, Lucifer
>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>>>>>> Stephen Fry:
>>>>>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>>>>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>>>>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>>>>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>>>>>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>>>>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.
>>>>>
>>>>>And God will clear that up soon, even though He didn't cause it.
>>>>
>>>>Wow. You really don't care.
>>>
>>>A lot more than you can realize.
>>
>>Sounds like you are proud of your lack of empathy.
>
>I can see that you don't have any for me. So who is lacking empathy.

I have expressed concern for you. You have not expressed
concern for those suffering under your God.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>My religion goes by the Bible, thus does not accept evolution.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>Next you will be saying you can't accept man made medication.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I have been, and do continue to accept it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Where is medicine for panic attacks you chose in the bible?
>>>>>
>>>>>Not everything on the planet is in the Bible. Neither is the Trinity,
>>>>>hellfire, immortal soul, etc.
>>>>
>>>>So the Trinity, hellfire, immortal soul, etc could be true.
>>>
>>>Not a chance. The Bible already condemns them.
>>
>>Does the bible condemn evolution?
>
>Yes it does by stipulating that God created the universe and the first
>two humans.

The authors of the bible did not know about evolution.
Many Christians are forced to accept evolution by the
overwhelming evidence but they still believe in God.

>>>>>>>>>Since evolution is bogus, there can be no real knowledge from it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If you keep saying that, and click your heels 3 times, you
>>>>>>>>will cease to exist.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Only if I find that pot of gold at the rainbow's end.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If you cause evolution to disappear you will never have existed.
>>>>>
>>>>>I thought you didn't agree with evolution?
>>>>
>>>>I don't agree with your strawman.
>>>
>>>But what about the tin man?
>>
>>Why do you feel the need to create a strawman of evolution?
>
>I don't. I take on evolution directly. For example, dinosaurs became
>birds. That is so ludicrous, that it isn't even funny anymore. Did a
>monstrous T-Rex became a tiny sparrow? Only in your dreams.

Only in your strawman.

>Even the founder of evolution, had his doubts about its validity.

The fact that you find the need to lie about evolution tells
me you do know its true.

The bible lies about Satan.

>>>>>>>>>>Why did God decide to use human feaces to spread disease?
>>>>>>>>>>For information Google open defecation.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>We don't know if a perfect person had disease.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why did God decide to use human feces to spread disease?
>>>>>
>>>>>He didn't.
>>>>
>>>>For information Google open defecation.
>>>>For information Google open defecation.
>>>
>>>The Bible says to bury it. In other words, to be sanitary.
>>
>>Why did God decide to use human feces to spread disease?
>>For information Google open defecation.
>>For information Google open defecation.
>
>Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.

In what way do you think I tried to fool you?

>>===================================
>>>>>>>>>>God kills nine million children under five every year.
>>>>>>>>>>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Substitute "God" for "Satan". That makes Satan's day.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God is already in,
>>>>>>"God kills nine million children under five every year.
>>>>>>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?"
>>====================================
>>
>>>>>>You are totally without empathy. A true sociopath.
>>>>>
>>>>>Recall a sociopath is one without a conscience. I have one.
>>>>
>>>>You show no concern for people suffering under your God.
>
>You are wrong. I do have concerns for innocent people who suffer. But
>I don't blame God for their suffering.

Why don't you blame the creator for his creation?

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Wed, 01 Sep 2021 10:16:18 +1000, Lucifer

<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 11:16:20 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 15:03:02 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 11:11:32 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 09:57:43 +1000, Lucifer
>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> Stephen Fry:
>>>>>>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>>>>>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>>>>>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>>>>>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>>>>>>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>>>>>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And God will clear that up soon, even though He didn't cause it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Wow. You really don't care.
>>>>
>>>>A lot more than you can realize.
>>>
>>>Sounds like you are proud of your lack of empathy.
>>
>>I can see that you don't have any for me. So who is lacking empathy.
>
>I have expressed concern for you. You have not expressed
>concern for those suffering under your God.

That us because the righteous are not suffering by Him. And at this
time, even the unrighteous are not suffering by Him. The Bible says
random events befall all of us. (Ec 9:11)

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>My religion goes by the Bible, thus does not accept evolution.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>>Next you will be saying you can't accept man made medication.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I have been, and do continue to accept it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Where is medicine for panic attacks you chose in the bible?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not everything on the planet is in the Bible. Neither is the Trinity,
>>>>>>hellfire, immortal soul, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>So the Trinity, hellfire, immortal soul, etc could be true.
>>>>
>>>>Not a chance. The Bible already condemns them.
>>>
>>>Does the bible condemn evolution?
>>
>>Yes it does by stipulating that God created the universe and the first
>>two humans.
>
>The authors of the bible did not know about evolution.
>Many Christians are forced to accept evolution by the
>overwhelming evidence

You mean that dinosaurs turned into birds? That is overwhelming
alright, overwhelming illogic.

> but they still believe in God.

Can't have your cake and eat it to. Evolution and Creation are like
oil and water. They don't mix.

>
>>>>>>>>>>Since evolution is bogus, there can be no real knowledge from it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If you keep saying that, and click your heels 3 times, you
>>>>>>>>>will cease to exist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Only if I find that pot of gold at the rainbow's end.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you cause evolution to disappear you will never have existed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I thought you didn't agree with evolution?
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't agree with your strawman.
>>>>
>>>>But what about the tin man?
>>>
>>>Why do you feel the need to create a strawman of evolution?
>>
>>I don't. I take on evolution directly. For example, dinosaurs became
>>birds. That is so ludicrous, that it isn't even funny anymore. Did a
>>monstrous T-Rex became a tiny sparrow? Only in your dreams.
>
>Only in your strawman.
>
>>Even the founder of evolution, had his doubts about its validity.
>
>The fact that you find the need to lie about evolution tells
>me you do know its true.

When can random chance produce a computer-type brain?
It can't. Just ask Vegas what the odds are.

>
>>>>>Your God is not acceptable.
>>>>> Stephen Fry:
>>>>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>>>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>>>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>>>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>>>>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>>>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.
>>>>
>>>>And God causes none of that.
>
>The bible says he does. See Genesis 1.

I have. And it says nothing about God causing bad things happening to
righteous people.

What lies??

>
>>>>>>>>>>>Why did God decide to use human feaces to spread disease?
>>>>>>>>>>>For information Google open defecation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>We don't know if a perfect person had disease.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why did God decide to use human feces to spread disease?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He didn't.
>>>>>
>>>>>For information Google open defecation.
>>>>>For information Google open defecation.
>>>>
>>>>The Bible says to bury it. In other words, to be sanitary.
>>>
>>>Why did God decide to use human feces to spread disease?
>>>For information Google open defecation.
>>>For information Google open defecation.
>>
>>Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
>
>In what way do you think I tried to fool you?

Into believing that God does bad things to righteous people.

>
>>>===================================
>>>>>>>>>>>God kills nine million children under five every year.
>>>>>>>>>>>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Substitute "God" for "Satan". That makes Satan's day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God is already in,
>>>>>>>"God kills nine million children under five every year.
>>>>>>>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?"
>>>====================================
>>>
>>>>>>>You are totally without empathy. A true sociopath.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Recall a sociopath is one without a conscience. I have one.
>>>>>
>>>>>You show no concern for people suffering under your God.
>>
>>You are wrong. I do have concerns for innocent people who suffer. But
>>I don't blame God for their suffering.
>
>Why don't you blame the creator for his creation?

It is like the FMC being responsible to every Ford produced for the
life of the car, regardless who the new owner is.

[Lucifer]

On Wed, 01 Sep 2021 11:57:24 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

>On Wed, 01 Sep 2021 10:16:18 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 11:16:20 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 15:03:02 +1000, Lucifer
>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 11:11:32 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 09:57:43 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>>> Stephen Fry:
>>>>>>>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>>>>>>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>>>>>>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>>>>>>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>>>>>>>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>>>>>>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And God will clear that up soon, even though He didn't cause it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wow. You really don't care.
>>>>>
>>>>>A lot more than you can realize.
>>>>
>>>>Sounds like you are proud of your lack of empathy.
>>>
>>>I can see that you don't have any for me. So who is lacking empathy.
>>
>>I have expressed concern for you. You have not expressed
>>concern for those suffering under your God.
>
>That us because the righteous are not suffering by Him.

Everybody suffers under God.

>And at this
>time, even the unrighteous are not suffering by Him. The Bible says
>random events befall all of us. (Ec 9:11)

You know that's not true.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>My religion goes by the Bible, thus does not accept evolution.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>That makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>>>Next you will be saying you can't accept man made medication.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I have been, and do continue to accept it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Where is medicine for panic attacks you chose in the bible?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Not everything on the planet is in the Bible. Neither is the Trinity,
>>>>>>>hellfire, immortal soul, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So the Trinity, hellfire, immortal soul, etc could be true.
>>>>>
>>>>>Not a chance. The Bible already condemns them.
>>>>
>>>>Does the bible condemn evolution?
>>>
>>>Yes it does by stipulating that God created the universe and the first
>>>two humans.
>>
>>The authors of the bible did not know about evolution.
>>Many Christians are forced to accept evolution by the
>>overwhelming evidence
>
>You mean that dinosaurs turned into birds? That is overwhelming
>alright, overwhelming illogic.

Yet you cling to it because you can't refute evolution.
Do you really want to claim this mess was created by a loving God?

>> but they still believe in God.
>
>Can't have your cake and eat it to.

Eat it to what? your sentence was cut off.

>Evolution and Creation are like oil and water. They don't mix.

Unless God used evolution to create.

>>>>>>>>>>>Since evolution is bogus, there can be no real knowledge from it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>If you keep saying that, and click your heels 3 times, you
>>>>>>>>>>will cease to exist.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Only if I find that pot of gold at the rainbow's end.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If you cause evolution to disappear you will never have existed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I thought you didn't agree with evolution?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't agree with your strawman.
>>>>>
>>>>>But what about the tin man?
>>>>
>>>>Why do you feel the need to create a strawman of evolution?
>>>
>>>I don't. I take on evolution directly. For example, dinosaurs became
>>>birds. That is so ludicrous, that it isn't even funny anymore. Did a
>>>monstrous T-Rex became a tiny sparrow? Only in your dreams.
>>
>>Only in your strawman.
>>
>>>Even the founder of evolution, had his doubts about its validity.
>>
>>The fact that you find the need to lie about evolution tells
>>me you do know its true.
>
>When can random chance produce a computer-type brain?
>It can't. Just ask Vegas what the odds are.

When can random chance produce a God?

It can't. Just ask Vegas what the odds are.

>>>>>>Your God is not acceptable.
>>>>>> Stephen Fry:
>>>>>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>>>>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>>>>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>>>>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>>>>>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>>>>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.
>>>>>
>>>>>And God causes none of that.
>>
>>The bible says he does. See Genesis 1.
>
>I have. And it says nothing about God causing bad things happening to
>righteous people.

Let us investigate that.

Genesis 1
New International Version
The Beginning

1 In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 Now the
earth was formless and empty, darkness was over the surface of the
deep, and the Spirit of God was hovering over the waters.

3 And God said, “Let there be light,” and there was light. 4 God saw
that the light was good, and he separated the light from the darkness.
5 God called the light “day,” and the darkness he called “night.” And
there was evening, and there was morning—the first day.

Etc......

Also John 1:3
Through him all things were made; without him nothing was
made that has been made.

Bible wins.
You lose.

The bible says Satan does evil things but I know God would
not create such a being.

>>>>>>>>>>>>Why did God decide to use human feaces to spread disease?
>>>>>>>>>>>>For information Google open defecation.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>We don't know if a perfect person had disease.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Why did God decide to use human feces to spread disease?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>He didn't.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>For information Google open defecation.
>>>>>>For information Google open defecation.
>>>>>
>>>>>The Bible says to bury it. In other words, to be sanitary.
>>>>
>>>>Why did God decide to use human feces to spread disease?
>>>>For information Google open defecation.
>>>>For information Google open defecation.
>>>
>>>Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
>>
>>In what way do you think I tried to fool you?
>
>Into believing that God does bad things to righteous people.

Do you consider yourself to be righteous?

>>>>===================================
>>>>>>>>>>>>God kills nine million children under five every year.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Substitute "God" for "Satan". That makes Satan's day.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God is already in,
>>>>>>>>"God kills nine million children under five every year.
>>>>>>>>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?"
>>>>====================================
>>>>
>>>>>>>>You are totally without empathy. A true sociopath.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Recall a sociopath is one without a conscience. I have one.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You show no concern for people suffering under your God.
>>>
>>>You are wrong. I do have concerns for innocent people who suffer. But
>>>I don't blame God for their suffering.
>>
>>Why don't you blame the creator for his creation?
>
>It is like the FMC being responsible to every Ford produced for the
>life of the car, regardless who the new owner is.

I think God has vastly more power than the FMC.

>James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Thu, 02 Sep 2021 23:44:24 +1000, Lucifer

You mean like the suffering that it says here?

(Revelation 21:3, 4) With that I heard a loud voice from the throne
say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with
them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them.
4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be
no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The
former things have passed away.”

>
>>And at this
>>time, even the unrighteous are not suffering by Him. The Bible says
>>random events befall all of us. (Ec 9:11)
>
>You know that's not true.

Oh? You are not affected by random chance?
Do you know some deeply secretive physics we don't know?

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>My religion goes by the Bible, thus does not accept evolution.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>That makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>Next you will be saying you can't accept man made medication.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I have been, and do continue to accept it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Where is medicine for panic attacks you chose in the bible?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Not everything on the planet is in the Bible. Neither is the Trinity,
>>>>>>>>hellfire, immortal soul, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So the Trinity, hellfire, immortal soul, etc could be true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not a chance. The Bible already condemns them.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does the bible condemn evolution?
>>>>
>>>>Yes it does by stipulating that God created the universe and the first
>>>>two humans.
>>>
>>>The authors of the bible did not know about evolution.
>>>Many Christians are forced to accept evolution by the
>>>overwhelming evidence
>>
>>You mean that dinosaurs turned into birds? That is overwhelming
>>alright, overwhelming illogic.
>
>Yet you cling to it because you can't refute evolution.
>Do you really want to claim this mess was created by a loving God?

Not a loving God, but a hateful Devil.

>
>>> but they still believe in God.
>>
>>Can't have your cake and eat it to.
>
>Eat it to what? your sentence was cut off.

Then I will reword it.

Can't have your cake and eat it also.

>
>>Evolution and Creation are like oil and water. They don't mix.
>
>Unless God used evolution to create.

Evolution is Godless. He would never use that. But mainly it
contradicts the Bible.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Since evolution is bogus, there can be no real knowledge from it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>If you keep saying that, and click your heels 3 times, you
>>>>>>>>>>>will cease to exist.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Only if I find that pot of gold at the rainbow's end.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If you cause evolution to disappear you will never have existed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I thought you didn't agree with evolution?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I don't agree with your strawman.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But what about the tin man?
>>>>>
>>>>>Why do you feel the need to create a strawman of evolution?
>>>>
>>>>I don't. I take on evolution directly. For example, dinosaurs became
>>>>birds. That is so ludicrous, that it isn't even funny anymore. Did a
>>>>monstrous T-Rex became a tiny sparrow? Only in your dreams.
>>>
>>>Only in your strawman.
>>>
>>>>Even the founder of evolution, had his doubts about its validity.
>>>
>>>The fact that you find the need to lie about evolution tells
>>>me you do know its true.
>>
>>When can random chance produce a computer-type brain?
>>It can't. Just ask Vegas what the odds are.
>
>When can random chance produce a God?
>It can't. Just ask Vegas what the odds are.

I am glad you and I agree.

The Bible doesn't play games. It tells it like it is.
Where does it say God CAUSES bad things to happen to good people?

James
The Bible is truths
www.jw.org





>

3444

[Lucifer]

I am thinking of real things.

>(Revelation 21:3, 4) With that I heard a loud voice from the throne
>say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with
>them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them.
>4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be
>no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The
>former things have passed away.”
>
>>>And at this
>>>time, even the unrighteous are not suffering by Him. The Bible says
>>>random events befall all of us. (Ec 9:11)
>>
>>You know that's not true.
>
>Oh? You are not affected by random chance?
>Do you know some deeply secretive physics we don't know?

You know everyone suffers under your God.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>My religion goes by the Bible, thus does not accept evolution.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>That makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Next you will be saying you can't accept man made medication.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I have been, and do continue to accept it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Where is medicine for panic attacks you chose in the bible?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Not everything on the planet is in the Bible. Neither is the Trinity,
>>>>>>>>>hellfire, immortal soul, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So the Trinity, hellfire, immortal soul, etc could be true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Not a chance. The Bible already condemns them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Does the bible condemn evolution?
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes it does by stipulating that God created the universe and the first
>>>>>two humans.
>>>>
>>>>The authors of the bible did not know about evolution.
>>>>Many Christians are forced to accept evolution by the
>>>>overwhelming evidence
>>>
>>>You mean that dinosaurs turned into birds? That is overwhelming
>>>alright, overwhelming illogic.
>>
>>Yet you cling to it because you can't refute evolution.
>>Do you really want to claim this mess was created by a loving God?
>
>Not a loving God, but a hateful Devil.

You call God a hateful Devil?

You can understand how an amoral natural process could result
in a world where life feeds off life and only the strongest
survive but you can't explain why a loving God would do that.

>>>Evolution and Creation are like oil and water. They don't mix.
>>
>>Unless God used evolution to create.
>
>Evolution is Godless. He would never use that. But mainly it
>contradicts the Bible.

The bible contradicts reality.

>>>>>>Why do you feel the need to create a strawman of evolution?
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't. I take on evolution directly. For example, dinosaurs became
>>>>>birds. That is so ludicrous, that it isn't even funny anymore. Did a
>>>>>monstrous T-Rex became a tiny sparrow? Only in your dreams.
>>>>
>>>>Only in your strawman.
>>>>
>>>>>Even the founder of evolution, had his doubts about its validity.
>>>>
>>>>The fact that you find the need to lie about evolution tells
>>>>me you do know its true.
>>>
>>>When can random chance produce a computer-type brain?
>>>It can't. Just ask Vegas what the odds are.
>>
>>When can random chance produce a God?
>>It can't. Just ask Vegas what the odds are.
>
>I am glad you and I agree.

It happens.

>James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Fri, 25 Jun 2021 08:39:17 +1000, Lucifer
<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 24 Jun 2021 13:57:01 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>

>>On Sat, 19 Jun 2021 09:29:12 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 11:34:09 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>

>>>>On Thu, 17 Jun 2021 18:49:11 +1000, Lucifer
>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 16 Jun 2021 07:38:41 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 14 Jun 2021 06:51:26 -0400, P+Barker <PBa...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Gregory Carr <gregorycarrit...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>>The world would be a better place without homosexual sex acts.
>>>>>>>

>>>>>>>OK then.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>All homosexuals will be removed from this earth shortly. Now is their
>>>>>>time to change or cease that life style. 1 Cor 6:9-11,
>>>>>
>>>>>Don't you think God knew what he was doing when he designed
>>>>>our brain?
>>>>
>>>>More than you will ever know.
>>>
>>>Thank you.
>>>
>>>>>>"9 Or do you not know that unrighteous people will not inherit God’s
>>>>>>Kingdom?
>>>>>
>>>>>I thought God murdered all the unrighteous people at the flood.
>>>>
>>>>So, you are calling yourself righteous? Be my guest.
>>>
>>>Didn't you say the purpose of the flood was to remove the
>>>unrighteous from the earth?
>>
>>Yes, at that time. But it starts all over again when Noah and his
>>family left the ark.
>
>Is God playing games with us?

God wants us all to repent.

>
>>>>>>Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters,
>>>>>>adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice
>>>>>>homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and
>>>>>>extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. 11 And yet that is what
>>>>>>some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been
>>>>>>sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord
>>>>>>Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God." (NWT)
>>>>>
>>>>>Did God amend his design?
>>>>
>>>>Humans changed His design into imperfection. God will put it back to
>>>>its perfect state again shortly.
>>>
>>>That shows God KNOWS he did wrong by creating things
>>>the way they are.
>>
>>You are continually forgetting one thing. A PERFECT person with free
>>will CAN sin. Also, God plans things to exist for an eternity. We can
>>think ahead for maybe 1 or 2 years. God can do it for an eternity.
>>
>>Thus when God created Adam and Eve, he designed them so that they
>>would never die if they obeyed Him. And enjoy life 100%. But even if
>>they disobeyed Him (God did not look ahead to see), God had plans to
>>eventually bring the whole human race back to perfection and willful
>>righteousness. (willful righteousness, not robotic righteousness)
>
>That shows God KNOWS he did wrong by creating things
>the way they are.

Not the way they are, but the way they were.

>
>>What history has shown is that humans cannot SUCCESSFULLY govern
>>themselves. They have tried every from of government, but none of them
>>totally successful. We still have suffering, unhappiness, people
>>starving, homelessness, and wickedness, and death, etc.
>
>It's not easy to overcome God's ineptness but we have achieved
>much. When we relied on God our lifespan was 30 years.

That was when we were sinful. Back in Genesis men lived for hundreds
of years. that was when they relied upon God.

>
>>We need God to govern us, so He can remove all those bad things and
>>restore the human body to perfection again. Jer 10:23,
>>
>>"I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him.
>>It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step."
>>(NWT)
>>

>>>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended
>>>his design?
>>
>>God knows no such thing.
>
>How can you say that? God says he will fix the problems
>caused by his poor design so he obviously knows.

The Bible nowhere says that God's designs are poor. On the contrary,
God's original designs were perfect.

>
>>He planned for Adam and Eve to be around
>>forever if they obeyed Him.
>
>Then God set about ensuring they would disobey him.
>Please go on.

Is 1 out of 1000 a small figure? That is basically what Adam faced. He
could eat from around 1000 trees. But it was hands off for just one
tree. And there is no indication that the forbidden tree was any
different from hundreds of others. Thus there was nothing gained by
eating of it.

All that was accomplished was God's wrath, and Adam was deciding for
himself what was good and bad. BIG MISTAKE.

>
>>And He had plans if they didn't. We are
>>getting up to the end of His plans as we speak.
>
>We are all just collateral damage, right?

>Is it possible God thinks he is playing a computer game?

God doesn't think like humans:

(Isaiah 55:8, 9) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, And your ways
are not my ways,” declares Jehovah.  9 “For as the heavens are higher
than the earth, So my ways are higher than your ways And my thoughts
than your thoughts.

James
The Bible is truths
www.jw.org


>

>>James

[Lucifer]

Repent of being the way he made us?

>>>>>>>Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters,
>>>>>>>adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice
>>>>>>>homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and
>>>>>>>extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. 11 And yet that is what
>>>>>>>some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been
>>>>>>>sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord
>>>>>>>Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God." (NWT)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Did God amend his design?
>>>>>
>>>>>Humans changed His design into imperfection. God will put it back to
>>>>>its perfect state again shortly.
>>>>
>>>>That shows God KNOWS he did wrong by creating things
>>>>the way they are.
>>>
>>>You are continually forgetting one thing. A PERFECT person with free
>>>will CAN sin. Also, God plans things to exist for an eternity. We can
>>>think ahead for maybe 1 or 2 years. God can do it for an eternity.
>>>
>>>Thus when God created Adam and Eve, he designed them so that they
>>>would never die if they obeyed Him. And enjoy life 100%. But even if
>>>they disobeyed Him (God did not look ahead to see), God had plans to
>>>eventually bring the whole human race back to perfection and willful
>>>righteousness. (willful righteousness, not robotic righteousness)
>>
>>That shows God KNOWS he did wrong by creating things
>>the way they are.
>
>Not the way they are, but the way they were.

The way they are now.

>>>What history has shown is that humans cannot SUCCESSFULLY govern
>>>themselves. They have tried every from of government, but none of them
>>>totally successful. We still have suffering, unhappiness, people
>>>starving, homelessness, and wickedness, and death, etc.
>>
>>It's not easy to overcome God's ineptness but we have achieved
>>much. When we relied on God our lifespan was 30 years.
>
>That was when we were sinful. Back in Genesis men lived for hundreds
>of years. that was when they relied upon God.

We now have medicine to help control panic attacks.

>>>We need God to govern us, so He can remove all those bad things and
>>>restore the human body to perfection again. Jer 10:23,
>>>
>>>"I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him.
>>>It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step."
>>>(NWT)
>>>
>>>>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended
>>>>his design?
>>>
>>>God knows no such thing.
>>
>>How can you say that? God says he will fix the problems
>>caused by his poor design so he obviously knows.
>
>The Bible nowhere says that God's designs are poor. On the contrary,
>God's original designs were perfect.

The bible talks a lot about undesirable things in the world.

>>>He planned for Adam and Eve to be around
>>>forever if they obeyed Him.
>>
>>Then God set about ensuring they would disobey him.
>>Please go on.
>
>Is 1 out of 1000 a small figure? That is basically what Adam faced. He
>could eat from around 1000 trees. But it was hands off for just one
>tree. And there is no indication that the forbidden tree was any
>different from hundreds of others. Thus there was nothing gained by
>eating of it.
>
>All that was accomplished was God's wrath, and Adam was deciding for
>himself what was good and bad. BIG MISTAKE.

Perhaps God thought it was the only way for us to have free will.

>>>And He had plans if they didn't. We are
>>>getting up to the end of His plans as we speak.
>>
>>We are all just collateral damage, right?
>>Is it possible God thinks he is playing a computer game?
>
>God doesn't think like humans:
>
>(Isaiah 55:8, 9) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, And your ways
>are not my ways,” declares Jehovah.  9 “For as the heavens are higher
>than the earth, So my ways are higher than your ways And my thoughts
>than your thoughts.

So its very possible God thinks it all a game.

>James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 05:48:25 +1000, Lucifer

No, for all the sins we commit in Satan's world.

>
>>>>>>>>Do not be misled. Those who are sexually immoral, idolaters,
>>>>>>>>adulterers, men who submit to homosexual acts, men who practice
>>>>>>>>homosexuality, 10 thieves, greedy people, drunkards, revilers, and
>>>>>>>>extortioners will not inherit God’s Kingdom. 11 And yet that is what
>>>>>>>>some of you were. But you have been washed clean; you have been
>>>>>>>>sanctified; you have been declared righteous in the name of the Lord
>>>>>>>>Jesus Christ and with the spirit of our God." (NWT)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Did God amend his design?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Humans changed His design into imperfection. God will put it back to
>>>>>>its perfect state again shortly.
>>>>>
>>>>>That shows God KNOWS he did wrong by creating things
>>>>>the way they are.
>>>>
>>>>You are continually forgetting one thing. A PERFECT person with free
>>>>will CAN sin. Also, God plans things to exist for an eternity. We can
>>>>think ahead for maybe 1 or 2 years. God can do it for an eternity.
>>>>
>>>>Thus when God created Adam and Eve, he designed them so that they
>>>>would never die if they obeyed Him. And enjoy life 100%. But even if
>>>>they disobeyed Him (God did not look ahead to see), God had plans to
>>>>eventually bring the whole human race back to perfection and willful
>>>>righteousness. (willful righteousness, not robotic righteousness)
>>>
>>>That shows God KNOWS he did wrong by creating things
>>>the way they are.
>>
>>Not the way they are, but the way they were.
>
>The way they are now.

Then you need to blame Satan. He is running the show (game) now.

>
>>>>What history has shown is that humans cannot SUCCESSFULLY govern
>>>>themselves. They have tried every from of government, but none of them
>>>>totally successful. We still have suffering, unhappiness, people
>>>>starving, homelessness, and wickedness, and death, etc.
>>>
>>>It's not easy to overcome God's ineptness but we have achieved
>>>much. When we relied on God our lifespan was 30 years.
>>
>>That was when we were sinful. Back in Genesis men lived for hundreds
>>of years. that was when they relied upon God.
>
>We now have medicine to help control panic attacks.

And depression.

>
>>>>We need God to govern us, so He can remove all those bad things and
>>>>restore the human body to perfection again. Jer 10:23,
>>>>
>>>>"I well know, O Jehovah, that man’s way does not belong to him.
>>>>It does not belong to man who is walking even to direct his step."
>>>>(NWT)
>>>>
>>>>>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended
>>>>>his design?
>>>>
>>>>God knows no such thing.
>>>
>>>How can you say that? God says he will fix the problems
>>>caused by his poor design so he obviously knows.
>>
>>The Bible nowhere says that God's designs are poor. On the contrary,
>>God's original designs were perfect.
>
>The bible talks a lot about undesirable things in the world.

And that is why he is asking for repentance.

>
>>>>He planned for Adam and Eve to be around
>>>>forever if they obeyed Him.
>>>
>>>Then God set about ensuring they would disobey him.
>>>Please go on.
>>
>>Is 1 out of 1000 a small figure? That is basically what Adam faced. He
>>could eat from around 1000 trees. But it was hands off for just one
>>tree. And there is no indication that the forbidden tree was any
>>different from hundreds of others. Thus there was nothing gained by
>>eating of it.
>>
>>All that was accomplished was God's wrath, and Adam was deciding for
>>himself what was good and bad. BIG MISTAKE.
>
>Perhaps God thought it was the only way for us to have free will.
>
>>>>And He had plans if they didn't. We are
>>>>getting up to the end of His plans as we speak.
>>>
>>>We are all just collateral damage, right?
>>>Is it possible God thinks he is playing a computer game?
>>
>>God doesn't think like humans:
>>
>>(Isaiah 55:8, 9) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, And your ways
>>are not my ways,” declares Jehovah.  9 “For as the heavens are higher
>>than the earth, So my ways are higher than your ways And my thoughts
>>than your thoughts.
>
>So its very possible God thinks it all a game

A game with no winners.

[Lucifer]

On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 08:05:03 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

>On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 05:48:25 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 08 Sep 2021 11:22:41 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 25 Jun 2021 08:39:17 +1000, Lucifer
>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>>>God wants us all to repent.
>>
>>Repent of being the way he made us?
>
>No, for all the sins we commit in Satan's world.

It doesn't do us any good when God repents.

>>>>That shows God KNOWS he did wrong by creating things
>>>>the way they are.
>>>
>>>Not the way they are, but the way they were.
>>
>>The way they are now.
>
>Then you need to blame Satan. He is running the show (game) now.

What would you think of a human father who left a known child
molester in charge of his children to see if they would still love
him?

>>>>It's not easy to overcome God's ineptness but we have achieved
>>>>much. When we relied on God our lifespan was 30 years.
>>>
>>>That was when we were sinful. Back in Genesis men lived for hundreds
>>>of years. that was when they relied upon God.
>>
>>We now have medicine to help control panic attacks.
>
>And depression.

How is man made medication able to override God's will?

God always wins.

>James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 08:30:23 +1000, Lucifer

<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 08:05:03 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 05:48:25 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 08 Sep 2021 11:22:41 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 25 Jun 2021 08:39:17 +1000, Lucifer
>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>>>God wants us all to repent.
>>>
>>>Repent of being the way he made us?
>>
>>No, for all the sins we commit in Satan's world.
>
>It doesn't do us any good when God repents.

That's an impossibility.

>
>>>>>That shows God KNOWS he did wrong by creating things
>>>>>the way they are.
>>>>
>>>>Not the way they are, but the way they were.
>>>
>>>The way they are now.
>>
>>Then you need to blame Satan. He is running the show (game) now.
>
>What would you think of a human father who left a known child
>molester in charge of his children to see if they would still love
>him?

I think they ought to place that father in a room with a gay serial
killer and see how he likes it.

>
>>>>>It's not easy to overcome God's ineptness but we have achieved
>>>>>much. When we relied on God our lifespan was 30 years.
>>>>
>>>>That was when we were sinful. Back in Genesis men lived for hundreds
>>>>of years. that was when they relied upon God.
>>>
>>>We now have medicine to help control panic attacks.
>>
>>And depression.
>
>How is man made medication able to override God's will?

If God willed something, it would happen. Period. Right now universal
issues are being settled by God. And it requires God not intervening
much in human affairs to settle them.

>
>>>>>>>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended
>>>>>>>his design?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God knows no such thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>How can you say that? God says he will fix the problems
>>>>>caused by his poor design so he obviously knows.
>>>>
>>>>The Bible nowhere says that God's designs are poor. On the contrary,
>>>>God's original designs were perfect.
>>>
>>>The bible talks a lot about undesirable things in the world.
>>
>>And that is why he is asking for repentance.
>
>Given God KNOWS he did wrong

And I will take it away. You partial sentence is full of bologna.

>why has he not amended
>his design?

You don't mend something not damaged. As it says, "don't fix it if it
is not broken".

>
>>>>>>He planned for Adam and Eve to be around
>>>>>>forever if they obeyed Him.
>>>>>
>>>>>Then God set about ensuring they would disobey him.
>>>>>Please go on.
>>>>
>>>>Is 1 out of 1000 a small figure? That is basically what Adam faced. He
>>>>could eat from around 1000 trees. But it was hands off for just one
>>>>tree. And there is no indication that the forbidden tree was any
>>>>different from hundreds of others. Thus there was nothing gained by
>>>>eating of it.
>>>>
>>>>All that was accomplished was God's wrath, and Adam was deciding for
>>>>himself what was good and bad. BIG MISTAKE.
>
>Perhaps God thought it was the only way for us to have free will.

God's thoughts are higher than humans. God's will, will certainly be
done soon. And we keep our free will.

>
>>>>>>And He had plans if they didn't. We are
>>>>>>getting up to the end of His plans as we speak.
>>>>>
>>>>>We are all just collateral damage, right?
>>>>>Is it possible God thinks he is playing a computer game?
>>>>
>>>>God doesn't think like humans:
>>>>
>>>>(Isaiah 55:8, 9) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, And your ways
>>>>are not my ways,” declares Jehovah.  9 “For as the heavens are higher
>>>>than the earth, So my ways are higher than your ways And my thoughts
>>>>than your thoughts.
>>>
>>>So its very possible God thinks it all a game
>>
>>A game with no winners.
>
>God always wins.

Right on. He may not win when you want Him to, but He always will win.

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 08:30:23 +1000, Lucifer

<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 08:05:03 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 05:48:25 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 08 Sep 2021 11:22:41 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 25 Jun 2021 08:39:17 +1000, Lucifer
>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>>>God wants us all to repent.
>>>
>>>Repent of being the way he made us?
>>
>>No, for all the sins we commit in Satan's world.
>
>It doesn't do us any good when God repents.

We will never know. God has nothing to repent about.

>
>>>>>That shows God KNOWS he did wrong by creating things
>>>>>the way they are.
>>>>
>>>>Not the way they are, but the way they were.
>>>
>>>The way they are now.
>>
>>Then you need to blame Satan. He is running the show (game) now.
>
>What would you think of a human father who left a known child
>molester in charge of his children to see if they would still love
>him?

Let the men in white coats come for him.

>
>>>>>It's not easy to overcome God's ineptness but we have achieved
>>>>>much. When we relied on God our lifespan was 30 years.
>>>>
>>>>That was when we were sinful. Back in Genesis men lived for hundreds
>>>>of years. that was when they relied upon God.
>>>
>>>We now have medicine to help control panic attacks.
>>
>>And depression.
>
>How is man made medication able to override God's will?

It never can.

>
>>>>>>>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended
>>>>>>>his design?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God knows no such thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>How can you say that? God says he will fix the problems
>>>>>caused by his poor design so he obviously knows.
>>>>
>>>>The Bible nowhere says that God's designs are poor. On the contrary,
>>>>God's original designs were perfect.
>>>
>>>The bible talks a lot about undesirable things in the world.
>>
>>And that is why he is asking for repentance.
>
>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended
>his design?

God determines what is right and wrong. And everything He has done is
right.

>
>>>>>>He planned for Adam and Eve to be around
>>>>>>forever if they obeyed Him.
>>>>>
>>>>>Then God set about ensuring they would disobey him.
>>>>>Please go on.
>>>>
>>>>Is 1 out of 1000 a small figure? That is basically what Adam faced. He
>>>>could eat from around 1000 trees. But it was hands off for just one
>>>>tree. And there is no indication that the forbidden tree was any
>>>>different from hundreds of others. Thus there was nothing gained by
>>>>eating of it.
>>>>
>>>>All that was accomplished was God's wrath, and Adam was deciding for
>>>>himself what was good and bad. BIG MISTAKE.
>
>Perhaps God thought it was the only way for us to have free will.

God intended it as a test of Adam's loyalty. Adam flunked.

>
>>>>>>And He had plans if they didn't. We are
>>>>>>getting up to the end of His plans as we speak.
>>>>>
>>>>>We are all just collateral damage, right?
>>>>>Is it possible God thinks he is playing a computer game?
>>>>
>>>>God doesn't think like humans:
>>>>
>>>>(Isaiah 55:8, 9) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, And your ways
>>>>are not my ways,” declares Jehovah.  9 “For as the heavens are higher
>>>>than the earth, So my ways are higher than your ways And my thoughts
>>>>than your thoughts.
>>>
>>>So its very possible God thinks it all a game
>>
>>A game with no winners.
>
>God always wins.

That is one of the few things you got right. Thus it is hopeless to
disobey Him.

[Lucifer]

On Sat, 11 Sep 2021 07:31:19 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

>On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 08:30:23 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 08:05:03 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 05:48:25 +1000, Lucifer
>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 08 Sep 2021 11:22:41 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 25 Jun 2021 08:39:17 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>God wants us all to repent.
>>>>
>>>>Repent of being the way he made us?
>>>
>>>No, for all the sins we commit in Satan's world.
>>
>>It doesn't do us any good when God repents.
>
>That's an impossibility.

Can you find an example of God's repenting helping us?

>>>>>>That shows God KNOWS he did wrong by creating things
>>>>>>the way they are.
>>>>>
>>>>>Not the way they are, but the way they were.
>>>>
>>>>The way they are now.
>>>
>>>Then you need to blame Satan. He is running the show (game) now.
>>
>>What would you think of a human father who left a known child
>>molester in charge of his children to see if they would still love
>>him?
>
>I think they ought to place that father in a room with a gay serial
>killer and see how he likes it.

Maybe we can convince Jesus to kill God.

>>>>>>It's not easy to overcome God's ineptness but we have achieved
>>>>>>much. When we relied on God our lifespan was 30 years.
>>>>>
>>>>>That was when we were sinful. Back in Genesis men lived for hundreds
>>>>>of years. that was when they relied upon God.
>>>>
>>>>We now have medicine to help control panic attacks.
>>>
>>>And depression.
>>
>>How is man made medication able to override God's will?
>
>If God willed something, it would happen. Period.

Not always, you said.

>Right now universal
>issues are being settled by God. And it requires God not intervening
>much in human affairs to settle them.

The issues require God to amend his design and to intervene to
prevent bad things happening. God can make everything good
without making us robots.

Perhaps God thought trashing everything was the only way

for us to have free will.

>>>>>>>And He had plans if they didn't. We are
>>>>>>>getting up to the end of His plans as we speak.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We are all just collateral damage, right?
>>>>>>Is it possible God thinks he is playing a computer game?
>>>>>
>>>>>God doesn't think like humans:
>>>>>
>>>>>(Isaiah 55:8, 9) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, And your ways
>>>>>are not my ways,” declares Jehovah.  9 “For as the heavens are higher
>>>>>than the earth, So my ways are higher than your ways And my thoughts
>>>>>than your thoughts.
>>>>
>>>>So its very possible God thinks it all a game
>>>
>>>A game with no winners.
>>
>>God always wins.
>
>Right on. He may not win when you want Him to, but He always will win.

With God we always lose.

>James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 12:46:45 +1000, Lucifer

<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>On Sat, 11 Sep 2021 07:31:19 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 08:30:23 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 08:05:03 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 05:48:25 +1000, Lucifer
>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 08 Sep 2021 11:22:41 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Fri, 25 Jun 2021 08:39:17 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>>God wants us all to repent.
>>>>>
>>>>>Repent of being the way he made us?
>>>>
>>>>No, for all the sins we commit in Satan's world.
>>>
>>>It doesn't do us any good when God repents.
>>
>>That's an impossibility.
>
>Can you find an example of God's repenting helping us?

There is no example of God repenting. Since He is 100% righteous He
has no need to repent.

But we are a different story. We ALL need to repent of our sins many
times.

>
>>>>>>>That shows God KNOWS he did wrong by creating things
>>>>>>>the way they are.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not the way they are, but the way they were.
>>>>>
>>>>>The way they are now.
>>>>
>>>>Then you need to blame Satan. He is running the show (game) now.
>>>
>>>What would you think of a human father who left a known child
>>>molester in charge of his children to see if they would still love
>>>him?
>>
>>I think they ought to place that father in a room with a gay serial
>>killer and see how he likes it.
>
>Maybe we can convince Jesus to kill God.

If it was possible to kill God, Satan would have done so long ago. No,
God can't be killed. And now, neither can Jesus.

>
>>>>>>>It's not easy to overcome God's ineptness but we have achieved
>>>>>>>much. When we relied on God our lifespan was 30 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>That was when we were sinful. Back in Genesis men lived for hundreds
>>>>>>of years. that was when they relied upon God.
>>>>>
>>>>>We now have medicine to help control panic attacks.
>>>>
>>>>And depression.
>>>
>>>How is man made medication able to override God's will?
>>
>>If God willed something, it would happen. Period.
>
>Not always, you said.

It all depends what the "will" is. If God SENDS OUT His word to do
something, it will always be fulfilled. If God just wishes all people
to be saved, that unlikely would happen because of free will.

>
>>Right now universal
>>issues are being settled by God. And it requires God not intervening
>>much in human affairs to settle them.
>
>The issues require God to amend his design and to intervene to
>prevent bad things happening. God can make everything good
>without making us robots.

After God destroys the wicked, He will remove all the other bad
things.

>
>>>>>>>>>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended
>>>>>>>>>his design?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God knows no such thing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How can you say that? God says he will fix the problems
>>>>>>>caused by his poor design so he obviously knows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Bible nowhere says that God's designs are poor. On the contrary,
>>>>>>God's original designs were perfect.
>>>>>
>>>>>The bible talks a lot about undesirable things in the world.
>>>>
>>>>And that is why he is asking for repentance.
>>>
>>>Given God KNOWS he did wrong
>>
>>And I will take it away. You partial sentence is full of bologna.
>>
>>
>>
>>>why has he not amended
>>>his design?
>>
>>You don't mend something not damaged. As it says, "don't fix it if it
>>is not broken".
>
>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended his design?

God determines what is right and wrong. Thus everything He does is
righteous.

>
>>>>>>>>He planned for Adam and Eve to be around
>>>>>>>>forever if they obeyed Him.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Then God set about ensuring they would disobey him.
>>>>>>>Please go on.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Is 1 out of 1000 a small figure? That is basically what Adam faced. He
>>>>>>could eat from around 1000 trees. But it was hands off for just one
>>>>>>tree. And there is no indication that the forbidden tree was any
>>>>>>different from hundreds of others. Thus there was nothing gained by
>>>>>>eating of it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>All that was accomplished was God's wrath, and Adam was deciding for
>>>>>>himself what was good and bad. BIG MISTAKE.
>>>
>>>Perhaps God thought it was the only way for us to have free will.
>>
>>God's thoughts are higher than humans. God's will, will certainly be
>>done soon. And we keep our free will.
>
>Perhaps God thought trashing everything was the only way
>for us to have free will.

Respectfully, the only "trash" here are most of your comments.

>
>>>>>>>>And He had plans if they didn't. We are
>>>>>>>>getting up to the end of His plans as we speak.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We are all just collateral damage, right?
>>>>>>>Is it possible God thinks he is playing a computer game?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God doesn't think like humans:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>(Isaiah 55:8, 9) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, And your ways
>>>>>>are not my ways,” declares Jehovah.  9 “For as the heavens are higher
>>>>>>than the earth, So my ways are higher than your ways And my thoughts
>>>>>>than your thoughts.
>>>>>
>>>>>So its very possible God thinks it all a game
>>>>
>>>>A game with no winners.
>>>
>>>God always wins.
>>
>>Right on. He may not win when you want Him to, but He always will win.
>
>With God we always lose.

You misspelled the word. It should have said, "With god we always
lose". And of course, that god is the Devil.

[Lucifer]

On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 10:52:23 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

>On Sun, 12 Sep 2021 12:46:45 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 11 Sep 2021 07:31:19 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 08:30:23 +1000, Lucifer
>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 08:05:03 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 05:48:25 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Wed, 08 Sep 2021 11:22:41 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Fri, 25 Jun 2021 08:39:17 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>>God wants us all to repent.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Repent of being the way he made us?
>>>>>
>>>>>No, for all the sins we commit in Satan's world.
>>>>
>>>>It doesn't do us any good when God repents.
>>>
>>>That's an impossibility.
>>
>>Can you find an example of God's repenting helping us?
>
>There is no example of God repenting.
>Since He is 100% righteous He has no need to repent.

Exodus 32:14
And the LORD repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his
people.

Oops!

>But we are a different story. We ALL need to repent of our sins many
>times.

The old politician's trick; in addition to changing the subject, blame
others for your errors. You are pretty good at those.

>>>>>>>>That shows God KNOWS he did wrong by creating things
>>>>>>>>the way they are.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Not the way they are, but the way they were.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The way they are now.
>>>>>
>>>>>Then you need to blame Satan. He is running the show (game) now.
>>>>
>>>>What would you think of a human father who left a known child
>>>>molester in charge of his children to see if they would still love
>>>>him?
>>>
>>>I think they ought to place that father in a room with a gay serial
>>>killer and see how he likes it.
>>
>>Maybe we can convince Jesus to kill God.
>
>If it was possible to kill God, Satan would have done so long ago. No,
>God can't be killed. And now, neither can Jesus.

God has stockpiled WMDs and is funding terrorists.
God's chosen people, the Taliban, are doing very well.

>>>>>>>>It's not easy to overcome God's ineptness but we have achieved
>>>>>>>>much. When we relied on God our lifespan was 30 years.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>That was when we were sinful. Back in Genesis men lived for hundreds
>>>>>>>of years. that was when they relied upon God.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We now have medicine to help control panic attacks.
>>>>>
>>>>>And depression.
>>>>
>>>>How is man made medication able to override God's will?
>>>
>>>If God willed something, it would happen. Period.
>>
>>Not always, you said.
>
>It all depends what the "will" is. If God SENDS OUT His word to do
>something, it will always be fulfilled. If God just wishes all people
>to be saved, that unlikely would happen because of free will.

God lacks free will?

>>>Right now universal
>>>issues are being settled by God. And it requires God not intervening
>>>much in human affairs to settle them.
>>
>>The issues require God to amend his design and to intervene to
>>prevent bad things happening. God can make everything good
>>without making us robots.
>
>After God destroys the wicked, He will remove all the other bad
>things.

Why won't God rehabilitate bad people?

>>>>>>>>>>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended
>>>>>>>>>>his design?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>God knows no such thing.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>How can you say that? God says he will fix the problems
>>>>>>>>caused by his poor design so he obviously knows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The Bible nowhere says that God's designs are poor. On the contrary,
>>>>>>>God's original designs were perfect.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The bible talks a lot about undesirable things in the world.
>>>>>
>>>>>And that is why he is asking for repentance.
>>>>
>>>>Given God KNOWS he did wrong
>>>
>>>And I will take it away. You partial sentence is full of bologna.

How so?

>>>>why has he not amended
>>>>his design?
>>>
>>>You don't mend something not damaged. As it says, "don't fix it if it
>>>is not broken".

God says he will fix his design. You said everything needs fixing.

>>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended his design?
>
>God determines what is right and wrong. Thus everything He does is
>righteous.

Have you forgotten? God passed that to us when he trashed
everything.

Genesis 3:22
And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us,
knowing good and evil.

Oops again!

>>>>>>>>>He planned for Adam and Eve to be around
>>>>>>>>>forever if they obeyed Him.

Slavery is never acceptable.

>>>>>>>>Then God set about ensuring they would disobey him.
>>>>>>>>Please go on.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Is 1 out of 1000 a small figure? That is basically what Adam faced. He
>>>>>>>could eat from around 1000 trees. But it was hands off for just one
>>>>>>>tree. And there is no indication that the forbidden tree was any
>>>>>>>different from hundreds of others. Thus there was nothing gained by
>>>>>>>eating of it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>All that was accomplished was God's wrath, and Adam was deciding for
>>>>>>>himself what was good and bad. BIG MISTAKE.
>>>>
>>>>Perhaps God thought it was the only way for us to have free will.
>>>
>>>God's thoughts are higher than humans. God's will, will certainly be
>>>done soon. And we keep our free will.
>>
>>Perhaps God thought trashing everything was the only way
>>for us to have free will.
>
>Respectfully, the only "trash" here are most of your comments.

The old politician's trick; in addition to changing the subject, blame
others for your errors. You are pretty good at those.

Perhaps God thought trashing everything was the only way
for us to have free will.

We know God doesn't think properly.

>>>>>>>>>And He had plans if they didn't. We are
>>>>>>>>>getting up to the end of His plans as we speak.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>We are all just collateral damage, right?
>>>>>>>>Is it possible God thinks he is playing a computer game?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God doesn't think like humans:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>(Isaiah 55:8, 9) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, And your ways
>>>>>>>are not my ways,” declares Jehovah.  9 “For as the heavens are higher
>>>>>>>than the earth, So my ways are higher than your ways And my thoughts
>>>>>>>than your thoughts.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So its very possible God thinks it all a game
>>>>>
>>>>>A game with no winners.
>>>>
>>>>God always wins.
>>>
>>>Right on. He may not win when you want Him to, but He always will win.
>>
>>With God we always lose.
>
>You misspelled the word. It should have said, "With god we always
>lose". And of course, that god is the Devil.

Let me check that.

"With God we always lose."

"With god we always lose."

They are the same.

>James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 19:20:59 +1000, Lucifer

Yes oops. Because of your lack of understanding.

The NWT renders Ex 32:14 this way,

"And Jehovah began to feel regret over the evil that he had spoken of
doing to his people."

"How can God, who is perfect, "feel regret"?

"In the majority of cases where the Hebrew na·cham' is used in the
sense of "feeling regret," the reference is to Jehovah God. Genesis
6:6, 7 states that "Jehovah felt regrets that he had made men in the
earth, and he felt hurt at his heart," their wickedness being so great
that God determined he would wipe them off the surface of the ground
by means of the global Flood. This cannot mean that God felt regret in
the sense of having made a mistake in his work of creation, for
"perfect is his activity." (De 32:4, 5) Regret is the opposite of
pleasurable satisfaction and rejoicing. Hence, it must be that God
regretted that after he had created mankind, their conduct became so
evil that he now found himself obliged (and justly so) to destroy all
mankind with the exception of Noah and his family. For God 'takes no
delight in the death of the wicked.'-Eze 33:11."

So in other words, God felt regret that humans brought destruction
upon themselves by being so wicked.
(Insight on the Scriptures)

>
>>But we are a different story. We ALL need to repent of our sins many
>>times.
>
>The old politician's trick; in addition to changing the subject, blame
>others for your errors. You are pretty good at those.

You like that phrase, don't you. But in this instance it doesn't
apply. The subject wasn't changed, and no others were blamed for
anything I did.

>
>>>>>>>>>That shows God KNOWS he did wrong by creating things
>>>>>>>>>the way they are.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Not the way they are, but the way they were.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The way they are now.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Then you need to blame Satan. He is running the show (game) now.
>>>>>
>>>>>What would you think of a human father who left a known child
>>>>>molester in charge of his children to see if they would still love
>>>>>him?
>>>>
>>>>I think they ought to place that father in a room with a gay serial
>>>>killer and see how he likes it.
>>>
>>>Maybe we can convince Jesus to kill God.
>>
>>If it was possible to kill God, Satan would have done so long ago. No,
>>God can't be killed. And now, neither can Jesus.
>
>God has stockpiled WMDs and is funding terrorists.
>God's chosen people, the Taliban, are doing very well.

Lies don't help anyone.

>
>>>>>>>>>It's not easy to overcome God's ineptness but we have achieved
>>>>>>>>>much. When we relied on God our lifespan was 30 years.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>That was when we were sinful. Back in Genesis men lived for hundreds
>>>>>>>>of years. that was when they relied upon God.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>We now have medicine to help control panic attacks.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And depression.
>>>>>
>>>>>How is man made medication able to override God's will?
>>>>
>>>>If God willed something, it would happen. Period.
>>>
>>>Not always, you said.
>>
>>It all depends what the "will" is. If God SENDS OUT His word to do
>>something, it will always be fulfilled. If God just wishes all people
>>to be saved, that unlikely would happen because of free will.
>
>God lacks free will?

No, free will of the people.

>
>>>>Right now universal
>>>>issues are being settled by God. And it requires God not intervening
>>>>much in human affairs to settle them.
>>>
>>>The issues require God to amend his design and to intervene to
>>>prevent bad things happening. God can make everything good
>>>without making us robots.
>>
>>After God destroys the wicked, He will remove all the other bad
>>things.
>
>Why won't God rehabilitate bad people?

Because they CHOOSE not be rehabilitated.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended
>>>>>>>>>>>his design?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>God knows no such thing.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>How can you say that? God says he will fix the problems
>>>>>>>>>caused by his poor design so he obviously knows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The Bible nowhere says that God's designs are poor. On the contrary,
>>>>>>>>God's original designs were perfect.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>The bible talks a lot about undesirable things in the world.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And that is why he is asking for repentance.
>>>>>
>>>>>Given God KNOWS he did wrong
>>>>
>>>>And I will take it away. You partial sentence is full of bologna.
>
>How so?

Wrong and right are based upon God. He determines it. God can do no
wrong since He defines wrong.

>
>>>>>why has he not amended
>>>>>his design?
>>>>
>>>>You don't mend something not damaged. As it says, "don't fix it if it
>>>>is not broken".
>
>God says he will fix his design.

Show me where the Bible says that.

>You said everything needs fixing.

Pretty much. And God will fix the errors He did not cause.

>
>>>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended his design?
>>
>>God determines what is right and wrong. Thus everything He does is
>>righteous.
>
>Have you forgotten? God passed that to us when he trashed
>everything.
>
>Genesis 3:22
>And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us,
>knowing good and evil.
>
>Oops again!

You are misinterpreting again. Adam and Eve knew right and wrong. They
were told not to eat the forbidden fruit. They knew that. So in what
way did they become like God?

They decided for themselves what was good and evil.

>
>>>>>>>>>>He planned for Adam and Eve to be around
>>>>>>>>>>forever if they obeyed Him.
>
>Slavery is never acceptable.

It can be. One can willingly become a slave for God and Jesus. The
slavery of Africans is never acceptable. Their Masters were usually
cruel and tortured them. They were treated worse than animals.
Slaves of the Israelites were regulated and had some rights.

>
>>>>>>>>>Then God set about ensuring they would disobey him.
>>>>>>>>>Please go on.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Is 1 out of 1000 a small figure? That is basically what Adam faced. He
>>>>>>>>could eat from around 1000 trees. But it was hands off for just one
>>>>>>>>tree. And there is no indication that the forbidden tree was any
>>>>>>>>different from hundreds of others. Thus there was nothing gained by
>>>>>>>>eating of it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>All that was accomplished was God's wrath, and Adam was deciding for
>>>>>>>>himself what was good and bad. BIG MISTAKE.
>>>>>
>>>>>Perhaps God thought it was the only way for us to have free will.
>>>>
>>>>God's thoughts are higher than humans. God's will, will certainly be
>>>>done soon. And we keep our free will.
>>>
>>>Perhaps God thought trashing everything was the only way
>>>for us to have free will.
>>
>>Respectfully, the only "trash" here are most of your comments.
>
>The old politician's trick; in addition to changing the subject, blame
>others for your errors. You are pretty good at those.

Not applicable here either. I didn't change the subject, nor blame
others for MY errors.

>
>Perhaps God thought trashing everything was the only way
>for us to have free will.
>We know God doesn't think properly.

It is you who doesn't think properly. Also God didn't trash
everything. He saved the 8 righteous people.

>
>>>>>>>>>>And He had plans if they didn't. We are
>>>>>>>>>>getting up to the end of His plans as we speak.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>We are all just collateral damage, right?
>>>>>>>>>Is it possible God thinks he is playing a computer game?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>God doesn't think like humans:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>(Isaiah 55:8, 9) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, And your ways
>>>>>>>>are not my ways,” declares Jehovah.  9 “For as the heavens are higher
>>>>>>>>than the earth, So my ways are higher than your ways And my thoughts
>>>>>>>>than your thoughts.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So its very possible God thinks it all a game
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A game with no winners.
>>>>>
>>>>>God always wins.
>>>>
>>>>Right on. He may not win when you want Him to, but He always will win.
>>>
>>>With God we always lose.
>>
>>You misspelled the word. It should have said, "With god we always
>>lose". And of course, that god is the Devil.
>
>Let me check that.
>"With God we always lose."
>"With god we always lose."
>
>They are the same.

God= means Jehovah God.
god means= Satan the Devil or his demon slaves, or certain humans
(like pharaoh), or stone statues.

[Lucifer]

You don't like me quoting the bible.

>The NWT renders Ex 32:14 this way,
>
>"And Jehovah began to feel regret over the evil that he had spoken of
>doing to his people."
>
>"How can God, who is perfect, "feel regret"?

You would feel regret if your choices caused as much harm.

>"In the majority of cases where the Hebrew na·cham' is used in the
>sense of "feeling regret," the reference is to Jehovah God. Genesis
>6:6, 7 states that "Jehovah felt regrets that he had made men in the
>earth, and he felt hurt at his heart," their wickedness being so great
>that God determined he would wipe them off the surface of the ground
>by means of the global Flood. This cannot mean that God felt regret in
>the sense of having made a mistake in his work of creation, for
>"perfect is his activity."

You said perfection does not prevent stupid choices.

>(De 32:4, 5) Regret is the opposite of
>pleasurable satisfaction and rejoicing. Hence, it must be that God
>regretted that after he had created mankind, their conduct became so
>evil that he now found himself obliged (and justly so) to destroy all
>mankind with the exception of Noah and his family. For God 'takes no
>delight in the death of the wicked.'-Eze 33:11."
>
>So in other words, God felt regret that humans brought destruction
>upon themselves by being so wicked.

All that could have been avoided if God had amended his design.
But God doesn't amend his design because he doesn't exist.

>>>But we are a different story. We ALL need to repent of our sins many
>>>times.
>>
>>The old politician's trick; in addition to changing the subject, blame
>>others for your errors. You are pretty good at those.
>
>You like that phrase, don't you. But in this instance it doesn't
>apply. The subject wasn't changed, and no others were blamed for
>anything I did.

You blame us for God's stupidity.

>>God has stockpiled WMDs and is funding terrorists.
>>God's chosen people, the Taliban, are doing very well.
>
>Lies don't help anyone.

The old politician's trick; in addition to changing the subject, blame
others for your errors. You are pretty good at those.

>>>>The issues require God to amend his design and to intervene to
>>>>prevent bad things happening. God can make everything good
>>>>without making us robots.
>>>
>>>After God destroys the wicked, He will remove all the other bad
>>>things.
>>
>>Why won't God rehabilitate bad people?
>
>Because they CHOOSE not be rehabilitated.

My question is;

Why won't God rehabilitate bad people?

>Wrong and right are based upon God. He determines it. God can do no
>wrong since He defines wrong.

Is genocide always right or only when God does it?

>>>>>>why has he not amended
>>>>>>his design?
>>>>>
>>>>>You don't mend something not damaged. As it says, "don't fix it if it
>>>>>is not broken".
>>
>>God says he will fix his design.
>
>Show me where the Bible says that.

You said God will fix his design soon.

>>You said everything needs fixing.
>
>Pretty much. And God will fix the errors He did not cause.

There are no errors God did not cause.

>>>>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended his design?
>>>
>>>God determines what is right and wrong. Thus everything He does is
>>>righteous.
>>
>>Have you forgotten? God passed that to us when he trashed
>>everything.
>>
>>Genesis 3:22
>>And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us,
>>knowing good and evil.
>>
>>Oops again!
>
>You are misinterpreting again. Adam and Eve knew right and wrong. They
>were told not to eat the forbidden fruit. They knew that. So in what
>way did they become like God?

What did the LORD God mean when he said, “The man has now
become like one of us, knowing good and evil."?

>They decided for themselves what was good and evil.

They sacrificed themselves to help us.

>>>>>>>>>>>He planned for Adam and Eve to be around
>>>>>>>>>>>forever if they obeyed Him.
>>
>>Slavery is never acceptable.
>
>It can be. One can willingly become a slave for God and Jesus. The
>slavery of Africans is never acceptable.

God disagrees.

>Their Masters were usually
>cruel and tortured them. They were treated worse than animals.
>Slaves of the Israelites were regulated and had some rights.

God never rescinded slavery.

Ah. So god means a being created and programmed by God.
So when you blame a god you are blaming God.
Thank you for that clarification.

>James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Thu, 16 Sep 2021 14:40:54 +1000, Lucifer

That applies to humans and angels, not to God.

>
>>(De 32:4, 5) Regret is the opposite of
>>pleasurable satisfaction and rejoicing. Hence, it must be that God
>>regretted that after he had created mankind, their conduct became so
>>evil that he now found himself obliged (and justly so) to destroy all
>>mankind with the exception of Noah and his family. For God 'takes no
>>delight in the death of the wicked.'-Eze 33:11."
>>
>>So in other words, God felt regret that humans brought destruction
>>upon themselves by being so wicked.
>
>All that could have been avoided if God had amended his design.
>But God doesn't amend his design because he doesn't exist.

Then who created the complex super computer-like our brain?

>
>>>>But we are a different story. We ALL need to repent of our sins many
>>>>times.
>>>
>>>The old politician's trick; in addition to changing the subject, blame
>>>others for your errors. You are pretty good at those.
>>
>>You like that phrase, don't you. But in this instance it doesn't
>>apply. The subject wasn't changed, and no others were blamed for
>>anything I did.
>
>You blame us for God's stupidity.

I thought you said God doesn't exist:

"But God doesn't amend his design because he doesn't exist."

Then your statement doesn't apply.

>
>>>God has stockpiled WMDs and is funding terrorists.
>>>God's chosen people, the Taliban, are doing very well.
>>
>>Lies don't help anyone.
>
>The old politician's trick; in addition to changing the subject, blame
>others for your errors. You are pretty good at those.

:)

>
>>>>>The issues require God to amend his design and to intervene to
>>>>>prevent bad things happening. God can make everything good
>>>>>without making us robots.
>>>>
>>>>After God destroys the wicked, He will remove all the other bad
>>>>things.
>>>
>>>Why won't God rehabilitate bad people?
>>
>>Because they CHOOSE not be rehabilitated.
>
>My question is;
>Why won't God rehabilitate bad people?

Like you said, He doesn't exist. So your statement is meaningless.

>
>>Wrong and right are based upon God. He determines it. God can do no
>>wrong since He defines wrong.
>
>Is genocide always right or only when God does it?

Like you said, He doesn't exist. So your statement is meaningless.

>
>>>>>>>why has he not amended
>>>>>>>his design?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You don't mend something not damaged. As it says, "don't fix it if it
>>>>>>is not broken".
>>>
>>>God says he will fix his design.
>>
>>Show me where the Bible says that.
>
>You said God will fix his design soon.

Like you said, He doesn't exist. So your statement is meaningless.

>
>>>You said everything needs fixing.
>>
>>Pretty much. And God will fix the errors He did not cause.
>
>There are no errors God did not cause.

Like you said, He doesn't exist. So your statement is meaningless

>
>>>>>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended his design?
>>>>
>>>>God determines what is right and wrong. Thus everything He does is
>>>>righteous.
>>>
>>>Have you forgotten? God passed that to us when he trashed
>>>everything.
>>>
>>>Genesis 3:22
>>>And the LORD God said, “The man has now become like one of us,
>>>knowing good and evil.
>>>
>>>Oops again!
>>
>>You are misinterpreting again. Adam and Eve knew right and wrong. They
>>were told not to eat the forbidden fruit. They knew that. So in what
>>way did they become like God?
>
>What did the LORD God mean when he said, “The man has now
>become like one of us, knowing good and evil."?

Adam and Eve know what was wrong, as Eve quoted God's rules for eating
from the forbidden tree. After disobeying, they now decided for
themselves what was wrong and right.

>
>>They decided for themselves what was good and evil.
>
>They sacrificed themselves to help us.

That is about the last thing that could happen. Adam even tried to
blame God for Adam's disobedience. 'The woman, WHOM YOU GAVE TO ME,
offered me some, so I ate'.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>He planned for Adam and Eve to be around
>>>>>>>>>>>>forever if they obeyed Him.
>>>
>>>Slavery is never acceptable.
>>
>>It can be. One can willingly become a slave for God and Jesus. The
>>slavery of Africans is never acceptable.
>
>God disagrees.

Like you said, He doesn't exist. So your statement is meaningless.

>
>>Their Masters were usually
>>cruel and tortured them. They were treated worse than animals.
>>Slaves of the Israelites were regulated and had some rights.
>
>God never rescinded slavery.

Like you said, He doesn't exist. So your statement is meaningless.

Like you said, He doesn't exist. So your statement is meaningless.

How is this for clarification. Like you said, He doesn't exist. So
your statement is meaningless.

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Fri, 10 Sep 2021 08:30:23 +1000, Lucifer

<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 08:05:03 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 09 Sep 2021 05:48:25 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 08 Sep 2021 11:22:41 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 25 Jun 2021 08:39:17 +1000, Lucifer
>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>>>God wants us all to repent.
>>>
>>>Repent of being the way he made us?
>>
>>No, for all the sins we commit in Satan's world.
>
>It doesn't do us any good when God repents.
>
>>>>>That shows God KNOWS he did wrong by creating things
>>>>>the way they are.
>>>>
>>>>Not the way they are, but the way they were.
>>>
>>>The way they are now.
>>
>>Then you need to blame Satan. He is running the show (game) now.
>
>What would you think of a human father who left a known child
>molester in charge of his children to see if they would still love
>him?

Need to give him a cyanide soda.

>
>>>>>It's not easy to overcome God's ineptness but we have achieved
>>>>>much. When we relied on God our lifespan was 30 years.
>>>>
>>>>That was when we were sinful. Back in Genesis men lived for hundreds
>>>>of years. that was when they relied upon God.
>>>
>>>We now have medicine to help control panic attacks.
>>
>>And depression.
>
>How is man made medication able to override God's will?

You said you don't believe in God. Therefore your statement has no
meaning.

>
>>>>>>>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended
>>>>>>>his design?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>God knows no such thing.
>>>>>
>>>>>How can you say that? God says he will fix the problems
>>>>>caused by his poor design so he obviously knows.
>>>>
>>>>The Bible nowhere says that God's designs are poor. On the contrary,
>>>>God's original designs were perfect.
>>>
>>>The bible talks a lot about undesirable things in the world.
>>
>>And that is why he is asking for repentance.
>
>Given God KNOWS he did wrong why has he not amended
>his design?

You said you don't believe in God. Therefore your statement has no
meaning.

>
>>>>>>He planned for Adam and Eve to be around
>>>>>>forever if they obeyed Him.
>>>>>
>>>>>Then God set about ensuring they would disobey him.
>>>>>Please go on.
>>>>
>>>>Is 1 out of 1000 a small figure? That is basically what Adam faced. He
>>>>could eat from around 1000 trees. But it was hands off for just one
>>>>tree. And there is no indication that the forbidden tree was any
>>>>different from hundreds of others. Thus there was nothing gained by
>>>>eating of it.
>>>>
>>>>All that was accomplished was God's wrath, and Adam was deciding for
>>>>himself what was good and bad. BIG MISTAKE.
>
>Perhaps God thought it was the only way for us to have free will.

You said you don't believe in God. Therefore your statement has no
meaning.

>
>>>>>>And He had plans if they didn't. We are
>>>>>>getting up to the end of His plans as we speak.
>>>>>
>>>>>We are all just collateral damage, right?
>>>>>Is it possible God thinks he is playing a computer game?
>>>>
>>>>God doesn't think like humans:
>>>>
>>>>(Isaiah 55:8, 9) “For my thoughts are not your thoughts, And your ways
>>>>are not my ways,” declares Jehovah.  9 “For as the heavens are higher
>>>>than the earth, So my ways are higher than your ways And my thoughts
>>>>than your thoughts.
>>>
>>>So its very possible God thinks it all a game
>>
>>A game with no winners.
>
>God always wins.

True, but also you said you don't believe in God. Therefore your
statement really has no meaning to you.

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Wed, 01 Sep 2021 10:16:18 +1000, Lucifer

<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 11:16:20 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 15:03:02 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 11:11:32 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 09:57:43 +1000, Lucifer
>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>>>>>> Stephen Fry:
>>>>>>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>>>>>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>>>>>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>>>>>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>>>>>>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>>>>>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And God will clear that up soon, even though He didn't cause it.
>>>>>
>>>>>Wow. You really don't care.
>>>>
>>>>A lot more than you can realize.
>>>
>>>Sounds like you are proud of your lack of empathy.
>>
>>I can see that you don't have any for me. So who is lacking empathy.
>
>I have expressed concern for you. You have not expressed
>concern for those suffering under your God.

That is because no one is suffering under God. But that soon will
change.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>My religion goes by the Bible, thus does not accept evolution.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>That makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>>Next you will be saying you can't accept man made medication.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I have been, and do continue to accept it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Where is medicine for panic attacks you chose in the bible?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not everything on the planet is in the Bible. Neither is the Trinity,
>>>>>>hellfire, immortal soul, etc.
>>>>>
>>>>>So the Trinity, hellfire, immortal soul, etc could be true.
>>>>
>>>>Not a chance. The Bible already condemns them.
>>>
>>>Does the bible condemn evolution?
>>
>>Yes it does by stipulating that God created the universe and the first
>>two humans.
>
>The authors of the bible did not know about evolution.
>Many Christians are forced to accept evolution by the
>overwhelming evidence but they still believe in God.

The "overwhelming " evidence for God, is all the creation He made.
(with Jesus help)

>
>>>>>>>>>>Since evolution is bogus, there can be no real knowledge from it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If you keep saying that, and click your heels 3 times, you
>>>>>>>>>will cease to exist.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Only if I find that pot of gold at the rainbow's end.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If you cause evolution to disappear you will never have existed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I thought you didn't agree with evolution?
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't agree with your strawman.
>>>>
>>>>But what about the tin man?
>>>
>>>Why do you feel the need to create a strawman of evolution?
>>
>>I don't. I take on evolution directly. For example, dinosaurs became
>>birds. That is so ludicrous, that it isn't even funny anymore. Did a
>>monstrous T-Rex became a tiny sparrow? Only in your dreams.
>
>Only in your strawman.

Not mine. The Bible condemns evolution.

>
>>Even the founder of evolution, had his doubts about its validity.
>
>The fact that you find the need to lie about evolution tells
>me you do know its true.

If it were true, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

>
>>>>>Your God is not acceptable.
>>>>> Stephen Fry:
>>>>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>>>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>>>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>>>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>>>>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>>>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.
>>>>
>>>>And God causes none of that.
>
>The bible says he does. See Genesis 1.

The Bible refers to a person as "justice".

James
The Bible is truths
www.jw.org




>

Give me your example.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>Why did God decide to use human feaces to spread disease?
>>>>>>>>>>>For information Google open defecation.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>We don't know if a perfect person had disease.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why did God decide to use human feces to spread disease?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>He didn't.
>>>>>
>>>>>For information Google open defecation.
>>>>>For information Google open defecation.
>>>>
>>>>The Bible says to bury it. In other words, to be sanitary.
>>>
>>>Why did God decide to use human feces to spread disease?
>>>For information Google open defecation.
>>>For information Google open defecation.
>>
>>Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me.
>
>In what way do you think I tried to fool you?

By showing me examples of it.

>
>>>===================================
>>>>>>>>>>>God kills nine million children under five every year.
>>>>>>>>>>>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Substitute "God" for "Satan". That makes Satan's day.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>God is already in,
>>>>>>>"God kills nine million children under five every year.
>>>>>>>Can you imagine the distress of the mothers?"
>>>====================================
>>>
>>>>>>>You are totally without empathy. A true sociopath.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Recall a sociopath is one without a conscience. I have one.
>>>>>
>>>>>You show no concern for people suffering under your God.
>>
>>You are wrong. I do have concerns for innocent people who suffer. But
>>I don't blame God for their suffering.
>
>Why don't you blame the creator for his creation?

It is like the FMC, See past posts.

[Lucifer]

On Sun, 26 Sep 2021 08:34:05 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

>On Wed, 01 Sep 2021 10:16:18 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 11:16:20 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 15:03:02 +1000, Lucifer
>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 11:11:32 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 09:57:43 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

You may remember me saying the JWs were threatened with losing
their tax exempt status in Australia if they did not join a fund to
compensate victims.
They did join.

>>>>>>>> Stephen Fry:
>>>>>>>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>>>>>>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>>>>>>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>>>>>>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>>>>>>>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>>>>>>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And God will clear that up soon, even though He didn't cause it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Wow. You really don't care.
>>>>>
>>>>>A lot more than you can realize.
>>>>
>>>>Sounds like you are proud of your lack of empathy.
>>>
>>>I can see that you don't have any for me. So who is lacking empathy.
>>
>>I have expressed concern for you. You have not expressed
>>concern for those suffering under your God.
>
>That is because no one is suffering under God.
>But that soon will change.

You admitted there are people suffering now.
Is God going to make people suffer even more?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>My religion goes by the Bible, thus does not accept evolution.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>That makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>>>Next you will be saying you can't accept man made medication.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I have been, and do continue to accept it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Where is medicine for panic attacks you chose in the bible?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Not everything on the planet is in the Bible. Neither is the Trinity,
>>>>>>>hellfire, immortal soul, etc.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So the Trinity, hellfire, immortal soul, etc could be true.
>>>>>
>>>>>Not a chance. The Bible already condemns them.
>>>>
>>>>Does the bible condemn evolution?
>>>
>>>Yes it does by stipulating that God created the universe and the first
>>>two humans.
>>
>>The authors of the bible did not know about evolution.
>>Many Christians are forced to accept evolution by the
>>overwhelming evidence but they still believe in God.
>
>The "overwhelming " evidence for God, is all the creation He made.
>(with Jesus help)

Where can we see this evidence?

>>>>>>>>>>>Since evolution is bogus, there can be no real knowledge from it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>If you keep saying that, and click your heels 3 times, you
>>>>>>>>>>will cease to exist.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Only if I find that pot of gold at the rainbow's end.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>If you cause evolution to disappear you will never have existed.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I thought you didn't agree with evolution?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't agree with your strawman.
>>>>>
>>>>>But what about the tin man?
>>>>
>>>>Why do you feel the need to create a strawman of evolution?
>>>
>>>I don't. I take on evolution directly. For example, dinosaurs became
>>>birds. That is so ludicrous, that it isn't even funny anymore. Did a
>>>monstrous T-Rex became a tiny sparrow? Only in your dreams.
>>
>>Only in your strawman.
>
>Not mine. The Bible condemns evolution.

The creators of God knew nothing about evolution.

>>>Even the founder of evolution, had his doubts about its validity.
>>
>>The fact that you find the need to lie about evolution tells
>>me you do know its true.
>
>If it were true, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.

Did you remember to click your heels three times?

>>>>>>Your God is not acceptable.
>>>>>> Stephen Fry:
>>>>>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>>>>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>>>>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>>>>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>>>>>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>>>>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.
>>>>>
>>>>>And God causes none of that.
>>
>>The bible says he does. See Genesis 1.
>
>The Bible refers to a person as "justice".

What does that mean?

>James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 15:54:54 +1000, Lucifer

<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Sep 2021 08:34:05 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 01 Sep 2021 10:16:18 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 11:16:20 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 15:03:02 +1000, Lucifer
>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 11:11:32 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 09:57:43 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>You may remember me saying the JWs were threatened with losing
>their tax exempt status in Australia if they did not join a fund to
>compensate victims.
>They did join.

If you say so.

>
>>>>>>>>> Stephen Fry:
>>>>>>>>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>>>>>>>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>>>>>>>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>>>>>>>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>>>>>>>>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>>>>>>>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And God will clear that up soon, even though He didn't cause it.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Wow. You really don't care.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>A lot more than you can realize.
>>>>>
>>>>>Sounds like you are proud of your lack of empathy.
>>>>
>>>>I can see that you don't have any for me. So who is lacking empathy.
>>>
>>>I have expressed concern for you. You have not expressed
>>>concern for those suffering under your God.
>>
>>That is because no one is suffering under God.
>>But that soon will change.
>
>You admitted there are people suffering now.
>Is God going to make people suffer even more?

Looks like I need to stop sniffing glue.

Ignore my previous statement.

People do suffer under God today in the form of persecution.
But God will soon remove ALL suffering. (see Rev 21:3,4)

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>My religion goes by the Bible, thus does not accept evolution.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>That makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>Next you will be saying you can't accept man made medication.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I have been, and do continue to accept it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Where is medicine for panic attacks you chose in the bible?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Not everything on the planet is in the Bible. Neither is the Trinity,
>>>>>>>>hellfire, immortal soul, etc.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>So the Trinity, hellfire, immortal soul, etc could be true.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Not a chance. The Bible already condemns them.
>>>>>
>>>>>Does the bible condemn evolution?
>>>>
>>>>Yes it does by stipulating that God created the universe and the first
>>>>two humans.
>>>
>>>The authors of the bible did not know about evolution.
>>>Many Christians are forced to accept evolution by the
>>>overwhelming evidence but they still believe in God.
>>
>>The "overwhelming " evidence for God, is all the creation He made.
>>(with Jesus help)
>
>Where can we see this evidence?

You can't see the trees through the forest? Just look around. God's
evidence is all around you. Even crawling on your skin. Yet no life
forms have been seen on other planets and moons. None.

It must take a powerful intelligence to create it. Something God
hasn't done to them yet.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Since evolution is bogus, there can be no real knowledge from it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>If you keep saying that, and click your heels 3 times, you
>>>>>>>>>>>will cease to exist.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Only if I find that pot of gold at the rainbow's end.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If you cause evolution to disappear you will never have existed.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I thought you didn't agree with evolution?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I don't agree with your strawman.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>But what about the tin man?
>>>>>
>>>>>Why do you feel the need to create a strawman of evolution?
>>>>
>>>>I don't. I take on evolution directly. For example, dinosaurs became
>>>>birds. That is so ludicrous, that it isn't even funny anymore. Did a
>>>>monstrous T-Rex became a tiny sparrow? Only in your dreams.
>>>
>>>Only in your strawman.
>>
>>Not mine. The Bible condemns evolution.
>
>The creators of God knew nothing about evolution.

Since there is no "creators of God", the statement is moot.

>
>>>>Even the founder of evolution, had his doubts about its validity.
>>>
>>>The fact that you find the need to lie about evolution tells
>>>me you do know its true.
>>
>>If it were true, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
>
>Did you remember to click your heels three times?

I didn't. I can't fit into those narrow pointed shoes.

>
>>>>>>>Your God is not acceptable.
>>>>>>> Stephen Fry:
>>>>>>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>>>>>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>>>>>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>>>>>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>>>>>>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>>>>>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>And God causes none of that.
>>>
>>>The bible says he does. See Genesis 1.
>>
>>The Bible refers to a person as "justice".
>
>What does that mean?

I don't know. I don't recall writing that strange statement. Has
somebody been snipping and pasting?

[Lucifer]

On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 09:18:18 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 15:54:54 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Sun, 26 Sep 2021 08:34:05 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 01 Sep 2021 10:16:18 +1000, Lucifer
>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 11:16:20 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 15:03:02 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 11:11:32 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 09:57:43 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>You may remember me saying the JWs were threatened with losing
>>their tax exempt status in Australia if they did not join a fund to
>>compensate victims.
>>They did join.
>
>If you say so.

I watched an ABC Four Corners program on the horrors of JW.

>>>>>>>>>> Stephen Fry:
>>>>>>>>>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>>>>>>>>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>>>>>>>>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>>>>>>>>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>>>>>>>>>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>>>>>>>>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>And God will clear that up soon, even though He didn't cause it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Wow. You really don't care.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>A lot more than you can realize.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Sounds like you are proud of your lack of empathy.
>>>>>
>>>>>I can see that you don't have any for me. So who is lacking empathy.
>>>>
>>>>I have expressed concern for you. You have not expressed
>>>>concern for those suffering under your God.
>>>

>People do suffer under God today in the form of persecution.
>But God will soon remove ALL suffering. (see Rev 21:3,4)

You see? God knows he is doing a terrible wrong which he needs
to fix.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>My religion goes by the Bible, thus does not accept evolution.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>That makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>Next you will be saying you can't accept man made medication.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I have been, and do continue to accept it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Where is medicine for panic attacks you chose in the bible?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Not everything on the planet is in the Bible. Neither is the Trinity,
>>>>>>>>>hellfire, immortal soul, etc.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>So the Trinity, hellfire, immortal soul, etc could be true.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Not a chance. The Bible already condemns them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Does the bible condemn evolution?
>>>>>
>>>>>Yes it does by stipulating that God created the universe and the first
>>>>>two humans.
>>>>
>>>>The authors of the bible did not know about evolution.
>>>>Many Christians are forced to accept evolution by the
>>>>overwhelming evidence but they still believe in God.
>>>
>>>The "overwhelming " evidence for God, is all the creation He made.
>>>(with Jesus help)
>>
>>Where can we see this evidence?
>
>You can't see the trees through the forest? Just look around. God's
>evidence is all around you. Even crawling on your skin. Yet no life
>forms have been seen on other planets and moons. None.
>
>It must take a powerful intelligence to create it. Something God
>hasn't done to them yet.

Where can we see the evidence for God?

>>>>>>>>>>>>>Since evolution is bogus, there can be no real knowledge from it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>If you keep saying that, and click your heels 3 times, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>will cease to exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Only if I find that pot of gold at the rainbow's end.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>If you cause evolution to disappear you will never have existed.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I thought you didn't agree with evolution?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I don't agree with your strawman.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>But what about the tin man?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Why do you feel the need to create a strawman of evolution?
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't. I take on evolution directly. For example, dinosaurs became
>>>>>birds. That is so ludicrous, that it isn't even funny anymore. Did a
>>>>>monstrous T-Rex became a tiny sparrow? Only in your dreams.
>>>>
>>>>Only in your strawman.
>>>
>>>Not mine. The Bible condemns evolution.
>>
>>The creators of God knew nothing about evolution.
>
>Since there is no "creators of God", the statement is moot.

You said you believe in God.

>>>>>Even the founder of evolution, had his doubts about its validity.
>>>>
>>>>The fact that you find the need to lie about evolution tells
>>>>me you do know its true.
>>>
>>>If it were true, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
>>
>>Did you remember to click your heels three times?
>
>I didn't. I can't fit into those narrow pointed shoes.
>
>>
>>>>>>>>Your God is not acceptable.
>>>>>>>> Stephen Fry:
>>>>>>>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>>>>>>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>>>>>>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>>>>>>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>>>>>>>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>>>>>>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>And God causes none of that.
>>>>
>>>>The bible says he does. See Genesis 1.
>>>
>>>The Bible refers to a person as "justice".
>>
>>What does that mean?
>
>I don't know. I don't recall writing that strange statement. Has
>somebody been snipping and pasting?

Serious question. Do you have MPD?

>James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 08:23:28 +1000, Lucifer

<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 09:18:18 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 15:54:54 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 26 Sep 2021 08:34:05 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Wed, 01 Sep 2021 10:16:18 +1000, Lucifer
>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 11:16:20 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 15:03:02 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 11:11:32 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 09:57:43 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>You may remember me saying the JWs were threatened with losing
>>>their tax exempt status in Australia if they did not join a fund to
>>>compensate victims.
>>>They did join.
>>
>>If you say so.
>
>I watched an ABC Four Corners program on the horrors of JW.

And just what are the alleged horrors? I have no fears being a JW at
all. On the contrary, they go by the Bible which promises to make me
as happy as a clam. (are clams happy?)

>
>>>>>>>>>>> Stephen Fry:
>>>>>>>>>>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>>>>>>>>>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>>>>>>>>>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>>>>>>>>>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>>>>>>>>>>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>>>>>>>>>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>And God will clear that up soon, even though He didn't cause it.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>Wow. You really don't care.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>A lot more than you can realize.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Sounds like you are proud of your lack of empathy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I can see that you don't have any for me. So who is lacking empathy.
>>>>>
>>>>>I have expressed concern for you. You have not expressed
>>>>>concern for those suffering under your God.
>>>>
>>People do suffer under God today in the form of persecution.
>>But God will soon remove ALL suffering. (see Rev 21:3,4)
>
>You see? God knows he is doing a terrible wrong which he needs
>to fix.

You said you don't believe in God. Therefore your statement has no
meaning.

>

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>My religion goes by the Bible, thus does not accept evolution.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>That makes no sense.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Next you will be saying you can't accept man made medication.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I have been, and do continue to accept it.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>Where is medicine for panic attacks you chose in the bible?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Not everything on the planet is in the Bible. Neither is the Trinity,
>>>>>>>>>>hellfire, immortal soul, etc.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>So the Trinity, hellfire, immortal soul, etc could be true.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Not a chance. The Bible already condemns them.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Does the bible condemn evolution?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes it does by stipulating that God created the universe and the first
>>>>>>two humans.
>>>>>
>>>>>The authors of the bible did not know about evolution.
>>>>>Many Christians are forced to accept evolution by the
>>>>>overwhelming evidence but they still believe in God.
>>>>
>>>>The "overwhelming " evidence for God, is all the creation He made.
>>>>(with Jesus help)
>>>
>>>Where can we see this evidence?
>>
>>You can't see the trees through the forest? Just look around. God's
>>evidence is all around you. Even crawling on your skin. Yet no life
>>forms have been seen on other planets and moons. None.
>>
>>It must take a powerful intelligence to create it. Something God
>>hasn't done to them yet.
>
>Where can we see the evidence for God?

In His creations. You can recognize a famous painter by his paintings.
He don't have to physically be there to see who did the painting. It's
similar with God. His fingerprints and footprints are everywhere. All
you have to do is open your eyes and mind, or at least admit it is a
POSSIBILITY.

>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Since evolution is bogus, there can be no real knowledge from it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>If you keep saying that, and click your heels 3 times, you
>>>>>>>>>>>>>will cease to exist.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Only if I find that pot of gold at the rainbow's end.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>If you cause evolution to disappear you will never have existed.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I thought you didn't agree with evolution?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I don't agree with your strawman.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>But what about the tin man?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Why do you feel the need to create a strawman of evolution?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't. I take on evolution directly. For example, dinosaurs became
>>>>>>birds. That is so ludicrous, that it isn't even funny anymore. Did a
>>>>>>monstrous T-Rex became a tiny sparrow? Only in your dreams.
>>>>>
>>>>>Only in your strawman.
>>>>
>>>>Not mine. The Bible condemns evolution.
>>>
>>>The creators of God knew nothing about evolution.
>>
>>Since there is no "creators of God", the statement is moot.
>
>You said you believe in God.

That should be obvious to you by now.

>
>>>>>>Even the founder of evolution, had his doubts about its validity.
>>>>>
>>>>>The fact that you find the need to lie about evolution tells
>>>>>me you do know its true.
>>>>
>>>>If it were true, we wouldn't even be having this conversation.
>>>
>>>Did you remember to click your heels three times?
>>
>>I didn't. I can't fit into those narrow pointed shoes.
>>
>>>
>>>>>>>>>Your God is not acceptable.
>>>>>>>>> Stephen Fry:
>>>>>>>>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>>>>>>>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>>>>>>>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>>>>>>>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>>>>>>>>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>>>>>>>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>And God causes none of that.
>>>>>
>>>>>The bible says he does. See Genesis 1.
>>>>
>>>>The Bible refers to a person as "justice".
>>>
>>>What does that mean?
>>
>>I don't know. I don't recall writing that strange statement. Has
>>somebody been snipping and pasting?
>
>Serious question. Do you have MPD?

As I said before, no. But I do have a bad memory at times.

[Lucifer]

On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 07:07:55 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

>On Tue, 28 Sep 2021 08:23:28 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 09:18:18 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 15:54:54 +1000, Lucifer
>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Sun, 26 Sep 2021 08:34:05 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Wed, 01 Sep 2021 10:16:18 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 11:16:20 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>On Mon, 30 Aug 2021 15:03:02 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 11:11:32 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>On Sun, 29 Aug 2021 09:57:43 +1000, Lucifer
>>>>>>>>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>You may remember me saying the JWs were threatened with losing
>>>>their tax exempt status in Australia if they did not join a fund to
>>>>compensate victims.
>>>>They did join.
>>>
>>>If you say so.
>>

>>I watched a ABC Four Corners program on the horrors of JW.

>
>And just what are the alleged horrors? I have no fears being a JW at
>all. On the contrary, they go by the Bible which promises to make me
>as happy as a clam. (are clams happy?)

There are many horrors of the JWs documented on the net.
There have been protests against shunting of ex members
and the covering up of child sexual abuse.

Stephen Fry:
I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.

>>>People do suffer under God today in the form of persecution.
>>>But God will soon remove ALL suffering. (see Rev 21:3,4)

You see? God knows he is doing a terrible wrong which he needs
to fix.

>>Where can we see the evidence for God?
>
>In His creations. You can recognize a famous painter by his paintings.
>He don't have to physically be there to see who did the painting. It's
>similar with God. His fingerprints and footprints are everywhere. All
>you have to do is open your eyes and mind, or at least admit it is a
>POSSIBILITY.

If an all everything God did not need to come from somewhere
and did not need to be created then neither does life.

Why is there only one God? The conditions that allow one God
to exist should allow for many Gods to exist.

>James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

That shunning business comes right out of the Bible. Thus people who
are opposed to shunning, appose the Bible:

(1 Corinthians 5:11) But now I am writing you to stop keeping company
with anyone called a brother who is sexually immoral or a greedy
person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner,
not even eating with such a man.

>and the covering up of child sexual abuse.

What you may call "covering up" may be that the person is highly
repentive and a first offence, etc. I am not qualified to get all the
details of such a circumstance, so it is hard to comment on it.

The JW's have an extensive policy concerning child abuse. For example:

"As with other religious organizations, Jehovah's Witnesses have been
obliged in recent years to develop child protection policies to deal
with cases of child abuse in their congregations. The Watch Tower
Society states that incidence of this crime among Jehovah’s Witnesses
is rare.[1]

Details of the Society's child abuse policies have been published in
Jehovah's Witnesses' publications, although more specific guidelines
are only made available to elders, or on request. Press releases
issued by the Watch Tower Society's Office of Public Information
confirm that if a person accused of molestation repeatedly denies the
charges of his victim, and there is no other witness to the incident,
"the elders cannot take action within the congregation at that time",
but would report to authorities if required by local laws.[2][3]
Contents

1 Policies
1.1 Advice to members
1.2 'Two witnesses'
1.3 Questioning the victim
1.4 Congregation discipline
1.5 Reproof and restrictions
1.6 Positions of responsibility
2 Reporting to civil authorities
2.1 Country-specific reporting rules for the UK
2.2 Cover-up allegations
3 Sex offender database
4 Support groups
5 Lawsuits
6 See also
7 References
8 External links
8.1 Critical
8.2 Supportive

Policies
Advice to members

The Watch Tower Society has published information on how to protect
children from sexual molestation, such as the articles, Protect Your
Children in the October 8, 1993 edition of Awake!, Help Your Children
to Thrive in Awake! of August 8, 1997, the series, Keep Your Children
Safe, in the November 2007 edition of Awake!, and in the book, Learn
from the Great Teacher. These articles focus on prevention, and do not
specifically state that a child or its parents should contact the
police in the event of molestation. They also suggest that, in some
countries, "the legal system may offer little hope of successful
prosecution." Whether or not a victim seeks professional treatment
from psychiatrists, psychologists or therapists is suggested as being
the personal decision of the victim (or the parents), but such ones
are warned to "make sure that any such professional will respect your
religious views."[4]

There is a lot more that can be said here on this subject. Just ask if
you want to hear more.

>
>
> Stephen Fry:
> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.

Yes, he spelled "god" correctly. Satan is the god of this world. (2
Cor 4:4) How dare the "god" of this world promote bone cancer in
children, etc.

>
>>>>People do suffer under God today in the form of persecution.
>>>>But God will soon remove ALL suffering. (see Rev 21:3,4)
>
>You see? God knows he is doing a terrible wrong which he needs
>to fix.

God does not do the persecutions. That is done by Godless persons who
don't go by the Holy Bible. Lay the blame where it lies, on the
persecutor.

>
>>>Where can we see the evidence for God?
>>
>>In His creations. You can recognize a famous painter by his paintings.
>>He don't have to physically be there to see who did the painting. It's
>>similar with God. His fingerprints and footprints are everywhere. All
>>you have to do is open your eyes and mind, or at least admit it is a
>>POSSIBILITY.
>
>If an all everything God did not need to come from somewhere
>and did not need to be created then neither does life.

On the contrary, life always comes from life. God is life, and so are
His creations, from the tiny gnat to the great whales.

>
>Why is there only one God? The conditions that allow one God
>to exist should allow for many Gods to exist.

That is only if God was created by men. Why not have multitudes of
gods like the ancient Greeks, Romans, Egyptians and Babylonians. At
that time, the God of the Bible showed Himself and His strength to
those who believed. The gods of the pagan nations never showed
themselves. Yet they were worshipped. That is sad for them.

[Lucifer]

>>There have been protests against shunning of ex members

>
>That shunning business comes right out of the Bible. Thus people who
>are opposed to shunning, appose the Bible:

>(1 Corinthians 5:11) But now I am writing you to stop keeping company
>with anyone called a brother who is sexually immoral or a greedy
>person or an idolater or a reviler or a drunkard or an extortioner,
>not even eating with such a man.

1 Corinthians 5:11 does not apply here though it should apply
to your leaders who put money over the welfare of their people.

The information is out there. There have been protest marches
about the way JW treats the victims of sexual abuse and they
have been sued for destroying lives.

>> Stephen Fry:
>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.
>
>Yes, he spelled "god" correctly. Satan is the god of this world. (2
>Cor 4:4) How dare the "god" of this world promote bone cancer in
>children, etc.

Why do you worship such a monster?

>>>>>People do suffer under God today in the form of persecution.
>>>>>But God will soon remove ALL suffering. (see Rev 21:3,4)
>>
>>You see? God knows he is doing a terrible wrong which he needs
>>to fix.
>
>God does not do the persecutions. That is done by Godless persons who
>don't go by the Holy Bible. Lay the blame where it lies, on the
>persecutor.

Who is responsible for creating the persecutor?

>>>>Where can we see the evidence for God?
>>>
>>>In His creations. You can recognize a famous painter by his paintings.
>>>He don't have to physically be there to see who did the painting. It's
>>>similar with God. His fingerprints and footprints are everywhere. All
>>>you have to do is open your eyes and mind, or at least admit it is a
>>>POSSIBILITY.
>>
>>If an all everything God did not need to come from somewhere
>>and did not need to be created then neither does life.
>
>On the contrary, life always comes from life. God is life, and so are
>His creations, from the tiny gnat to the great whales.

What life did God come from?

>>Why is there only one God? The conditions that allow one God
>>to exist should allow for many Gods to exist.
>
>That is only if God was created by men. Why not have multitudes of
>gods like the ancient Greeks, Romans, Egyptians and Babylonians. At
>that time, the God of the Bible showed Himself and His strength to
>those who believed. The gods of the pagan nations never showed
>themselves. Yet they were worshipped. That is sad for them.

Why are there not multiple such Gods?

>James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Thu, 30 Sep 2021 05:57:41 +1000, Lucifer

If that were really true, they would be pushing their members to go to
College to get a high paying job. BUT THEY DON'T. They encourage their
members to go many hours in the door to door work. And in some cases,
to actually quit their jobs to do more preaching work.

I could sue you for deformation of character, but that doesn't mean
you are guilty.

>
>>> Stephen Fry:
>>> I will basically (it's known as theodicy I think) I'll say, "Bone
>>>cancer in children? What's that about? How dare you! How dare you
>>>create a world where there is such misery that is not our fault! It's
>>>not right. It is utterly, utterly evil. Why should I respect a
>>>capricious, mean-minded, stupid god who creates a world that is so
>>>full of injustice and pain. That's what I'd say.
>>
>>Yes, he spelled "god" correctly. Satan is the god of this world. (2
>>Cor 4:4) How dare the "god" of this world promote bone cancer in
>>children, etc.
>
>Why do you worship such a monster?

Because I love to see children with bone cancer, and worms coming out
of their eyes, and many starving to death, etc. Ask a stupid question
and get a stupid answer.

>
>>>>>>People do suffer under God today in the form of persecution.
>>>>>>But God will soon remove ALL suffering. (see Rev 21:3,4)
>>>
>>>You see? God knows he is doing a terrible wrong which he needs
>>>to fix.
>>
>>God does not do the persecutions. That is done by Godless persons who
>>don't go by the Holy Bible. Lay the blame where it lies, on the
>>persecutor.
>
>Who is responsible for creating the persecutor?

We are back to the FMC again. Don't convict the drunk Ford driver who
bought one, convict the manufacturer. Your logic doesn't work in the
real world.

>
>>>>>Where can we see the evidence for God?
>>>>
>>>>In His creations. You can recognize a famous painter by his paintings.
>>>>He don't have to physically be there to see who did the painting. It's
>>>>similar with God. His fingerprints and footprints are everywhere. All
>>>>you have to do is open your eyes and mind, or at least admit it is a
>>>>POSSIBILITY.
>>>
>>>If an all everything God did not need to come from somewhere
>>>and did not need to be created then neither does life.
>>
>>On the contrary, life always comes from life. God is life, and so are
>>His creations, from the tiny gnat to the great whales.
>
>What life did God come from?

You said you don't believe in God. Therefore your statement has no
meaning.

>

>>>Why is there only one God? The conditions that allow one God
>>>to exist should allow for many Gods to exist.
>>
>>That is only if God was created by men. Why not have multitudes of
>>gods like the ancient Greeks, Romans, Egyptians and Babylonians. At
>>that time, the God of the Bible showed Himself and His strength to
>>those who believed. The gods of the pagan nations never showed
>>themselves. Yet they were worshipped. That is sad for them.
>
>Why are there not multiple such Gods?

There are multiple such gods in pagandom.

[Lucifer]

They discourage members from getting edumacated because they
might learn they are being used!
For your own sake I encourage you to search the web for the truth
about JWs.

They are guilty.

>>>>>>>People do suffer under God today in the form of persecution.
>>>>>>>But God will soon remove ALL suffering. (see Rev 21:3,4)
>>>>
>>>>You see? God knows he is doing a terrible wrong which he needs
>>>>to fix.
>>>
>>>God does not do the persecutions. That is done by Godless persons who
>>>don't go by the Holy Bible. Lay the blame where it lies, on the
>>>persecutor.
>>
>>Who is responsible for creating the persecutor?
>
>We are back to the FMC again. Don't convict the drunk Ford driver who
>bought one, convict the manufacturer. Your logic doesn't work in the
>real world.

Who do you say is responsible for creating our brain such that it
can be affected by drugs?

>>>>>>Where can we see the evidence for God?
>>>>>
>>>>>In His creations. You can recognize a famous painter by his paintings.
>>>>>He don't have to physically be there to see who did the painting. It's
>>>>>similar with God. His fingerprints and footprints are everywhere. All
>>>>>you have to do is open your eyes and mind, or at least admit it is a
>>>>>POSSIBILITY.
>>>>
>>>>If an all everything God did not need to come from somewhere
>>>>and did not need to be created then neither does life.
>>>
>>>On the contrary, life always comes from life. God is life, and so are
>>>His creations, from the tiny gnat to the great whales.
>>
>>What life did God come from?
>
>You said you don't believe in God. Therefore your statement has no
>meaning.

You wrote,

"life always comes from life. God is life"

Why is there only one God? The conditions that allow one God

to exist should allow for many such Gods to exist.

>James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Fri, 01 Oct 2021 09:03:39 +1000, Lucifer

JW's put God before secularism.

Jesus never encouraged his followers to get a higher education. Rather
he encouraged his followers to do more preaching work. And that is
what JW's do.

>For your own sake I encourage you to search the web for the truth
>about JWs.

Truth? TRUTH on the web?? So far, all I have been hearing is lies,
lies, and more lies. One wonders if they even know what truth is.

They claim that JW's don't believe in Jesus. (not a JW teaching)
They say God is a Trinity. (not a JW teaching)
They claim only JW's will be saved. (not a JW teaching)
They say Jesus is God. (not a JW teaching)
They claim all good people go to Heaven. (the Bible shows some will
live forever on the earth)

You can't know that for sure for all of them. The Bible's justice is
not the same as civil justice.

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>>>>>>>>People do suffer under God today in the form of persecution.
>>>>>>>>But God will soon remove ALL suffering. (see Rev 21:3,4)
>>>>>
>>>>>You see? God knows he is doing a terrible wrong which he needs
>>>>>to fix.
>>>>
>>>>God does not do the persecutions. That is done by Godless persons who
>>>>don't go by the Holy Bible. Lay the blame where it lies, on the
>>>>persecutor.
>>>
>>>Who is responsible for creating the persecutor?
>>
>>We are back to the FMC again. Don't convict the drunk Ford driver who
>>bought one, convict the manufacturer. Your logic doesn't work in the
>>real world.
>
>Who do you say is responsible for creating our brain such that it
>can be affected by drugs?

It can also be affected by lack of oxygen and a fist to the jaw, or a
bullet through it, or a breakdown of the sugars from various foods,
etc.

>
>>>>>>>Where can we see the evidence for God?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>In His creations. You can recognize a famous painter by his paintings.
>>>>>>He don't have to physically be there to see who did the painting. It's
>>>>>>similar with God. His fingerprints and footprints are everywhere. All
>>>>>>you have to do is open your eyes and mind, or at least admit it is a
>>>>>>POSSIBILITY.
>>>>>
>>>>>If an all everything God did not need to come from somewhere
>>>>>and did not need to be created then neither does life.
>>>>
>>>>On the contrary, life always comes from life. God is life, and so are
>>>>His creations, from the tiny gnat to the great whales.
>>>
>>>What life did God come from?
>>
>>You said you don't believe in God. Therefore your statement has no
>>meaning.
>
>You wrote,
>"life always comes from life. God is life"

Again you are mentioning something you don't believe in. Yes, life
always comes from life, not from inaniment matter.

>
>Why is there only one God? The conditions that allow one God
>to exist should allow for many such Gods to exist.

Many nations do believe in multiple gods. Why is there only one God?
Because there is only one God. One Creator of all things long ago.