Jesus Christ IS Lucifer...

[Lucifer]

Jesus Christ IS Lucifer...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfKyKM8RXrE

The Church wants you to believe that Jesus and Lucifer are enemies but
what if they were actually the same being? Not only does the bible
itself contain evidence towards this conclusion but there exist many
secret gospels and Christian books that corroborate this that were
banned and destroyed by the Church. Why did the Church destroy these
so-called blasphemous and heretical books? Because many of them
claimed to contain the secret truth. Could Jesus, the self-proclaimed
“Light of the World” and “Morning Star” be the same being as Lucifer
whose name in Latin literally means Lightbringer and morning star? And
could they have the same mission, to set humanity free and ultimately
overthrow God?

[zeb...@windstream.net]

"Lucifer" is NOT the name of the Devil. Neither is "Satan" or "Devil".
The Bible does not give his name. He is not worthy of a personal name.
The word is found in the KJV in Isaiah. The term means "shinning one",
and refers to the king of Babylon at the time. The word "Lucifer" is
taken from the Latin Vulgate translation and means "shinning one".

Jesus would never overthrow his Father. His Father and him are "one"
in spirit. 1`Fl (John 10:30)

James
The Bible is truths
www.jw.org

[Lucifer]

Just wanted to show you there are alternative viewpoints with their
own "proof."

>James

[Gregory Carr]

Total nonsense utter swill. There was a preacher in Canada who claimed that lucifer was JESUS'S half brother. Latin is that drivel the catholics use not a language used by any country.

The Bible’s answer
Yes, the Devil is real. He is “the ruler of the world,” a spirit creature who became wicked and rebelled against God. (John 14:30; Ephesians 6:11, 12) The Bible reveals the Devil’s personality through these names and descriptions:

Satan, which means “Resister.”—Job 1:6.

Devil, which means “Slanderer.”—Revelation 12:9.

Serpent, which is used in the Bible to mean “Deceiver.”—2 Corinthians 11:3.

Tempter.—Matthew 4:3.

Liar.—John 8:44.

https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/is-the-devil-real/

JESUS will not overthrow JEHOVAH.

[Ted]

On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 09:37:21 +1000, Lucifer
<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

That's silliness.

[Lucifer]

>Jesus Christ IS Lucifer...
>
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfKyKM8RXrE

>The Church wants you to believe that Jesus and Lucifer are enemies but
>what if they were actually the same being? Not only does the bible
>itself contain evidence towards this conclusion but there exist many
>secret gospels and Christian books that corroborate this that were
>banned and destroyed by the Church. Why did the Church destroy these
>so-called blasphemous and heretical books? Because many of them
>claimed to contain the secret truth. Could Jesus, the self-proclaimed
>“Light of the World” and “Morning Star” be the same being as Lucifer
>whose name in Latin literally means Lightbringer and morning star? And
>could they have the same mission, to set humanity free and ultimately
>overthrow God?

That makes sense and it fits with what I have been saying.
God is the evil one that is enslaving humanity.

[Gregory Carr]

What a lameo agreeing with his original post. Repent and get right with JESUS. The poster is afraid to use the name on his drivers license.

[Rod]

Luke 17:7-10 points out that God is a slave owner.

[zeb...@windstream.net]

>>in spirit. (John 10:30)

>
>Just wanted to show you there are alternative viewpoints with their
>own "proof."

Do you have a son? Is he trying to conquer you? Neither is Jesus with
his Father.

James
The Bible is truths
www.jw.org


>

>>James

[Lucifer]

I don't believe it either but I wanted to show there are alternatives

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 09:37:21 +1000, Lucifer
<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

That is the last things Satan wants. He don't want humanity set free,
he wants them to worship him. That is what he told Jesus when he
tempted him.

Does Jesus want to overthrow God? On the contrary, God is Jesus' God
also, and he loves Him:

(Matthew 22:37) He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with
your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’

[tesla sTinker]

On 9/18/2021 4:17 PM, Rod scribbled:

where do you get such bull shit. He never says anything of the sort,
but then again, your reading a changed Bible likely, so that you do not
understand the garden of eden. It says no such thing,
It says this>>>

". 7 But which of you having a servant ploughing, or feeding cattle,
will say to him, when he is come from the field: Immediately go, sit
down to meat: 8 And will not rather say to him: Make ready my supper,
and gird thyself, and serve me, whilst I eat and drink, and afterwards
thou shalt eat and drink? 9 Doth he thank that servant, for doing the
things which he commanded him? 10 I think not. So you also, when you
shall have done all these things that are commanded you, say: We are
unprofitable servants; we have done that which we ought to do."

He is talking about the owner of the servant. God said, that the owner
will not thank him the servant. Which makes the owner a real ass.
Since when will the owner cook the servant dinner? These are God's
instructions to the owner, as in, what is good to do, and what is not
good to do.

Which makes what you just said, complete bull shit.

The one who enslaved humanity, was Adam, when he fell from grace.
Listening to the sinful woman. So, they were both cast out of the
garden of paradise. It was not God that disobeyed Himself.

[Lucifer]

On Sun, 26 Sep 2021 13:36:16 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:

>On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 09:37:21 +1000, Lucifer
><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>
>>Jesus Christ IS Lucifer...
>>
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfKyKM8RXrE
>>
>>The Church wants you to believe that Jesus and Lucifer are enemies but
>>what if they were actually the same being? Not only does the bible
>>itself contain evidence towards this conclusion but there exist many
>>secret gospels and Christian books that corroborate this that were
>>banned and destroyed by the Church. Why did the Church destroy these
>>so-called blasphemous and heretical books? Because many of them
>>claimed to contain the secret truth. Could Jesus, the self-proclaimed
>>“Light of the World” and “Morning Star” be the same being as Lucifer
>>whose name in Latin literally means Lightbringer and morning star? And
>>could they have the same mission, to set humanity free and ultimately
>>overthrow God?
>
>
>That is the last things Satan wants. He don't want humanity set free,
>he wants them to worship him. That is what he told Jesus when he
>tempted him.

You only have the word of people with a vested interest in
deceiving you.

>Does Jesus want to overthrow God?

I have said before that Jesus appears to be on our side.

>On the contrary, God is Jesus' God also, and he loves Him:

That's what Jesus haters say.

>(Matthew 22:37) He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with
>your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’

Who says that and why?

>James

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Mon, 27 Sep 2021 14:39:45 +1000, Lucifer
<LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:

>On Sun, 26 Sep 2021 13:36:16 -0400, zeb...@windstream.net wrote:
>
>>On Tue, 14 Sep 2021 09:37:21 +1000, Lucifer
>><LuciferMo...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Jesus Christ IS Lucifer...
>>>
>>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfKyKM8RXrE
>>>
>>>The Church wants you to believe that Jesus and Lucifer are enemies but
>>>what if they were actually the same being? Not only does the bible
>>>itself contain evidence towards this conclusion but there exist many
>>>secret gospels and Christian books that corroborate this that were
>>>banned and destroyed by the Church. Why did the Church destroy these
>>>so-called blasphemous and heretical books? Because many of them
>>>claimed to contain the secret truth. Could Jesus, the self-proclaimed
>>>“Light of the World” and “Morning Star” be the same being as Lucifer
>>>whose name in Latin literally means Lightbringer and morning star? And
>>>could they have the same mission, to set humanity free and ultimately
>>>overthrow God?
>>
>>
>>That is the last things Satan wants. He don't want humanity set free,
>>he wants them to worship him. That is what he told Jesus when he
>>tempted him.
>
>You only have the word of people with a vested interest in
>deceiving you.

I research what is told to me. I am not deceived.

>
>>Does Jesus want to overthrow God?
>
>I have said before that Jesus appears to be on our side.
>
>>On the contrary, God is Jesus' God also, and he loves Him:
>
>That's what Jesus haters say.

Jesus is NOT God. He is God's firstborn Son. (Col 1:15)

>
>>(Matthew 22:37) He said to him: “‘You must love Jehovah your God with
>>your whole heart and with your whole soul and with your whole mind.’
>
>Who says that and why?

Matthew wrote it, and since we are playing in God's universe, it is
only right and respectful to do so.

James
The Bible is truths
www.jw.org


>

>>James

[Rod]

On 9/26/2021 2:06 PM, tesla sTinker wrote:
>
>
> On 9/18/2021 4:17 PM, Rod scribbled:
>> On 9/18/2021 12:13 AM, Lucifer wrote:
>>>> Jesus Christ IS Lucifer...
>>>>
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UfKyKM8RXrE
>>>
>>>> The Church wants you to believe that Jesus and Lucifer are enemies but
>>>> what if they were actually the same being? Not only does the bible
>>>> itself contain evidence towards this conclusion but there exist many
>>>> secret gospels and Christian books that corroborate this that were
>>>> banned and destroyed by the Church. Why did the Church destroy these
>>>> so-called blasphemous and heretical books? Because many of them
>>>> claimed to contain the secret truth. Could Jesus, the self-proclaimed
>>>> “Light of the World” and “Morning Star” be the same being as Lucifer
>>>> whose name in Latin literally means Lightbringer and morning star? And
>>>> could they have the same mission, to set humanity free and ultimately
>>>> overthrow God?
>>>
>>> That makes sense and it fits with what I have been saying.
>>> God is the evil one that is enslaving humanity.
>>>
>>
>> Luke 17:7-10 points out that God is a slave owner.
>
> where do you get such bull shit.  He never says anything of the sort,
> but then again, your reading a changed Bible likely, so that you do not
> understand the garden of eden.   It says no such thing,

It indeed speaks of slavery as a normal thing and acceptable to god,
and Revelation speaks of sealing the servants of our god in the
foreheads. That infers ownership you lying POS.

I'll have no part of it.

[Scientific (she/her)]

>>> JamesReligion is general is bullshit.

--
There is no verifiable evidence that gender dysphoria can be treated in
other ways than transitioning. None whatsoever.
Gender identity becomes unchangeable by age 4, something transphobes
fail to understand.
Scaring trans people away from transitioning and repressing their
identities *IS* conversion therapy.

[Scientific (she/her)]

[Ted]

Hey, I can relate. I suffer from species dysphoria myself. I've known
since I was 4 years old that I'm really a possum. And I've been
persecuted by transphobes my entire life. In fact, I'm still fighting
my insurance company because they refuse to pay for my prehensile
tail.

[Gregory Carr]

Good since I dislike you and don't want you in Paradise with me. There is nothing in the NT that indicates JESUS or the Apostles had slaves.

[Gregory Carr]

Transphobes? Is anyone actually afraid of you deviant dips? You ppl are killed with boring regularity in America https://www.hrc.org/resources/fatal-violence-against-the-transgender-and-gender-non-conforming-community-in-2021 37 in 2021 alone. It is a known fact that some ppl change their sex organs then change it back https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/media-s-detransition-narrative-fueling-misconceptions-trans-advocates-say-n1102686 who pays for all this in Canada the taxpayers which are only around 67% of the population have to pay for it. The Bible is perfectly clear about this trans ppl are ABOMINATIONS which is forbidden with the penalty being death.

The world would be a better place without homosexual sex acts.

The Bible and Talmud and Koran all forbid homosexual sex acts with the punishment being death. Homosexuals are only 1.7% of the CDN population and are overrepresented in the penal system, among the homeless, among the mentally ill with some ppl believing homosexuality itself is a mental illness like pedophilia and necrophilia and bestiality, among the alcoholic and drug addicted, AIDs is primarily a disease of homosexuals it costs CDN tax payers 25k a year to keep them alive. The recent rise in syphilus is caused by homosexual sex acts.

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 New International Version (NIV)
9 Or do you not know that wrongdoers will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor men who have sex with men[a] 10 nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.

"Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable" (Leviticus 18:22) in the KJV is it is called an ABOMINATION the only word in the whole Bible to be in bold face.

"If a man lies with a man as one lies with woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads" (Leviticus 20:13).

1 TIMOTHY 1:10
KJ21 for whoremongers, for those who defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjurers, and for whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine
ASV for fornicators, for abusers of themselves with men, for menstealers, for liars, for false swearers, and if there be any other thing contrary to the sound doctrine;
and for sexually immoral persons, for homosexuals, for kidnappers and slave traders, for liars, for perjurers—and for whatever else is contrary to sound doctrine,

Romans 1:26-27

Paul writes: "God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error."

Jude 1:7
"Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them in like manner, giving themselves over to fornication, and going after strange flesh, are set forth for an example, suffering the vengeance of eternal fire." (KJV)

Piers Morgan fled America where he had been working at CNN for years after saying on live TV that the Bible had to be rewritten because of what it said about homosexuals. Piers is currently without work but scheduled to reappear on British TV in 2022 after he had a hissy fit on live TV and quit his job. Britain is a very fey country over 10% of its elected members of Parliament are openly queer the highest % in the world and the Queen (Defender Of The Faith) has knighted Dame Edna the famous British drag queen.

[Scientific (she/her)]

Transgender is real, trans-species is bullshit.

[Michael Christ]

Speciesphobe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

What a bigot!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!





Michael Christ


--
Rom 5:8  But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were
YET sinners, Christ died for us.

"To seek your own will is to seek your own glory".

"If God is not first in everything He is not first in anything".

"Sin is not what you do, it is what you are".

"What makes the bible the truth? The resonance of God".

"All men were born sinners. Why? Because all men were born not loving
God with all their heart, soul and mind. An abomination".

"Compromise will condemn you".

"There are no sinners in Christ Jesus".

"My sons are born of Me. In them is no darkness at all".

"You can't learn righteousness. Haven't you had enough time already to
know that?"

"The way of truth is the testimony of life".

"I merely speak the truth, what is revealed to me, and the cards fall
where God intends."

"Nothing that is produced is produced without first being faith."

"You can only find proof of God through faith because that is how we all
live, by faith."

"It is not what you do that matters, it is how you treat Me."

"Keep going forward. Forget about the past. Lift up your head, look
ahead."

"You cannot be free with guilt in your heart."

"Priority is everything".

"The truth doesn't need evidence, it is evidence."

"There is no greater possession a man has than his own will, to squander
it or to place it where it truly belongs."

"An atheist is a fool who thinks truth is found in living a lie."

"Saying 'prove it' [as a foundation] is merely a straw man, to a straw man."

"Wait, rest, be still, and know."

"No man can wash his own hands!!!"

"I find this in the Christianity religions: 'Nobody's perfect' they say,
and they use that as an excuse not to do what is perfect."

[zeb...@windstream.net]

On Sun, 3 Oct 2021 10:10:00 +0000, "Scientific (she/her)"
<sci...@is.truth> wrote:

You wish!

JW's represent the Bible 100% of the time. The true religion is going
to be based on the Bible, is it not? JW's doctrines ALL come from the
Bible. No church doctrines, or Creeds, Nor 4th century Trinity
beliefs. Nor Platonic pagan beliefs such as an "immortal soul".

For example, (Ezekiel 18:4) Look! All the souls—to me they belong. As
the soul of the father so also the soul of the son—to me they belong.
The soul who sins is the one who will die.

Doesn't sound like the "soul" is immortal to me!

Just what is the "soul"? Some kind of invisible blob that contains
your whole personality, and that survives death?

Read Ezek 18:4 again. A SOUL CAN DIE. Thus the BIBLE says one thing,
and the churches another thing. Which one do YOU believe?

James
Understand the Bible
www.jw.org

Got any Bible questions? Fire away.