Another gay ‘hate crime’ hoax

[J]

As with most of these so-called 'gay bashing' incidents, the entire
thing turned out to be a big lie. Is it any wonder why those who believe
in decency, morals, and truthfulness refuse to accept anything these
people say at face value?







http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/another-gay-hate-crime-hoax-victim-injured-himself-with-a-somersault








MISSOULA, August 9, 2012, (LifeSiteNews.com) – In yet another example
of an alleged “hate crime” unraveling, a young homosexual whose tale of
abuse became a national issue has admitted he made the whole thing up.

Joseph Baken admitted in court today that he had perpetrated a hoax by
telling police three men had beaten him because he was homosexual,
lacerating his face.

Baken initially said he entered the Missoula Club last Saturday to
celebrate his 22nd birthday, announced he was gay, and asked for
directions to a gay bar. He called the police three hours later, at 4:30
a.m, saying a man had lured him outside to smoke a cigarette, where two
other men joined him beating Baken and called him a “f—-ot.”

The website WipeOutHomophobia.com announced its immediate support for
the young man. Within hours, the Facebook post showing his bruised face
had garnered nearly half-a-million “likes.” The Huffington Post soon
introduced “Joseph” to a national constituency.

State Representative Ellie Hill, D-Missoula, seized upon the attack to
suggest sexual orientation be added to Montana’s hate crimes law, vowing
to introduce the bill in January. “What occurred over the weekend in
Missoula evidences” the need for such a law, she said.

However, video promptly surfaced showing Baken doing a backflip on a
paved street, shortly after a cameraman said he had “a sexy belly.” The
film captured Baken hurtling down toward the curb, and then smacking his
face in the areas that appear bruised in the photograph.

On Thursday, he pleaded guilty to filing a false police report. A judge
suspended a 180-day jail sentence and ordered him to pay a $300 fine.











--
J Young
jdyo...@ymail.com

http://www.americandecency.org/

[Syd M.]

On Aug 10, 12:18 am, J <jdyou...@ymail.com> wrote:
> As with most of these so-called 'gay bashing' incidents, the entire
> thing turned out to be a big lie.

Nope.
Only lie here is YOURS.

[ram...@truthonly.com.swordofbaal]

"J" wrote in message news:5runjk....@news.alt.net...

> As with most of these so-called 'gay bashing' incidents, the entire thing
> turned out to be a big lie. Is it any wonder why those who believe in
> decency, morals, and truthfulness refuse to accept anything these people
> say at face value?

We know all about "Those who believe in decency, morals" we have see in
history what they have done.



Christian atrocities

http://www.atheistnexus.org/profiles/blogs/religious-atrocities-history

Christianity has been more of a threat to society. Let the historical record
speak for itself...

Ancient Pagans

* As soon as Christianity became legal in the Roman Empire by imperial edict
(315), more and more pagan temples were destroyed by Christian mob. Pagan
priests were killed.

* Between 315 and 6th century thousands of pagan believers were slain.

* Examples of destroyed Temples: the Sanctuary of Aesculap in Aegaea, the
Temple of Aphrodite in Golgatha, Aphaka in Lebanon, the Heliopolis.

* Christian priests such as Mark of Arethusa or Cyrill of Heliopolis were
famous as "temple destroyer." [DA468]
* Pagan services became punishable by death in 356. [DA468]

* Christian Emperor Theodosius (408-450) even had children executed, because
they had been playing with remains of pagan statues. [DA469]

According to Christian chroniclers he "followed meticulously all Christian
teachings..."
* In 6th century pagans were declared void of all rights.
* In the early fourth century the philosopher Sopatros was executed on
demand of Christian authorities. [DA466]
* The world famous female philosopher Hypatia of Alexandria was torn to
pieces with glass fragments by a hysterical Christian mob led by a Christian
minister named Peter, in a church, in 415.
[DO19-25]

Mission

* Emperor Karl (Charlemagne) in 782 had 4500 Saxons, unwilling to convert to
Christianity, beheaded. [DO30]
* Peasants of Steding (Germany) unwilling to pay suffocating church taxes:
between 5,000 and 11,000 men, women and children slain 5/27/1234 near
Altenesch/Germany. [WW223]
* Battle of Belgrad 1456: 80,000 Turks slaughtered. [DO235]
* 15th century Poland: 1019 churches and 17987 villages plundered by Knights
of the Order. Number of victims unknown. [DO30]
* 16th and 17th century Ireland. English troops "pacified and civilized"
Ireland, where only Gaelic "wild Irish", "unreasonable beasts lived without
any knowledge of God or good manners, in common of their goods, cattle,
women, children and every other thing." One of the more successful soldiers,
a certain Humphrey Gilbert, half-brother of Sir Walter Raleigh, ordered that
"the heddes of all those (of what sort soever thei were) which were killed
in the daie, should be cutte off from their bodies... and should bee laied
on the ground by eche side of the waie", which effort to civilize the Irish
indeed caused "greate terrour to the people when thei sawe the heddes of
their dedde fathers, brothers, children, kinsfolke, and freinds on the
grounde".
Tens of thousands of Gaelic Irish fell victim to the carnage. [SH99, 225]


Crusades (1095-1291)

* First Crusade: 1095 on command of pope Urban II. [WW11-41]
* Semlin/Hungary 6/24/96 thousands slain. Wieselburg/Hungary 6/12/96
thousands. [WW23]
* 9/9/96-9/26/96 Nikaia, Xerigordon (then Turkish), thousands respectively.
[WW25-27]
* Until January 1098 a total of 40 capital cities and 200 castles conquered
(number of slain unknown) [WW30]
* After 6/3/98 Antiochia (then Turkish) conquered, between 10,000 and 60,000
slain. 6/28/98 100,000 Turks (incl. women and children) killed. [WW32-35]
Here the Christians "did no other harm to the women found in [the enemy's]
tents - save that they ran their lances through their bellies," according to
Christian chronicler Fulcher of Chartres. [EC60]
* Marra (Maraat an-numan) 12/11/98 thousands killed. Because of the
subsequent famine "the already stinking corpses of the enemies were eaten by
the Christians" said chronicler Albert Aquensis. [WW36]
* Jerusalem conquered 7/15/1099 more than 60,000 victims (Jewish, Muslim,
men, women, children). [WW37-40]
In the words of one witness: "there [in front of Solomon's temple] was such
a carnage that our people were wading ankle-deep in the blood of our foes",
and after that "happily and crying for joy our people marched to our
Saviour's tomb, to honour it and to pay off our debt of gratitude."
* The Archbishop of Tyre, eye-witness, wrote: "It was impossible to look
upon the vast numbers of the slain without horror; everywhere lay fragments
of human bodies, and the very ground was covered with the blood of the
slain. It was not alone the spectacle of headless bodies and mutilated limbs
strewn in all directions that roused the horror of all who looked upon them.
Still more dreadful was it to gaze upon the victors themselves, dripping
with blood from head to foot, an ominous sight which brought terror to all
who met them. It is reported that within the Temple enclosure alone about
ten thousand infidels perished." [TG79]
* Christian chronicler Eckehard of Aura noted that "even the following
summer in all of Palestine the air was polluted by the stench of
decomposition". One million victims of the first crusade alone. [WW41]
* Battle of Askalon, 8/12/1099. 200,000 heathens slaughtered "in the name of
Our Lord Jesus Christ". [WW45]
* Fourth crusade: 4/12/1204 Constantinople sacked, number of victims
unknown, numerous thousands, many of them Christian. [WW141-148]
* Rest of Crusades in less detail: until the fall of Akkon 1291 probably 20
million victims (in the Holy land and Arab/Turkish areas alone). [WW224]

Note: All figures according to contemporary (Christian) chroniclers.

Heretics and Atheists

* Already in 385 C.E. the first Christians, the Spanish Priscillianus and
six followers, were beheaded for heresy in Trier/Germany [DO26]
* Manichaean heresy: a crypto-Christian sect decent enough to practice birth
control (and thus not as irresponsible as faithful Catholics) was
exterminated in huge campaigns all over the Roman empire between 372 C.E.
and 444 C.E. Numerous thousands of victims. [NC]
* Albigensians: the first Crusade intended to slay other Christians. [DO29]
The Albigensians (Cathars) viewed themselves as good Christians, but would
not accept Roman Catholic rule, and taxes, and prohibition of birth control.
[NC]
Begin of violence: on command of pope Innocent III (the greatest single mass
murderer prior to the Nazi era) in 1209. Bezi�rs (today France) 7/22/1209
destroyed, all the inhabitants were slaughtered. Number of victims
(including Catholics refusing to turn over their heretic neighbors and
friends) estimated between 20,000-70,000. [WW179-181]
* Carcassonne 8/15/1209, thousands slain. Other cities followed. [WW181]
* Subsequent 20 years of war until nearly all Cathars (probably half the
population of the Languedoc, today southern France) were exterminated.
[WW183]
* After the war ended (1229) the Inquisition was founded 1232 to search and
destroy surviving/hiding heretics. Last Cathars burned at the stake 1324.
[WW183]
* Estimated one million victims (Cathar heresy alone), [WW183]
* Other heresies: Waldensians, Paulikians, Runcarians, Josephites, and many
others. Most of these sects exterminated, (I believe some Waldensians live
today, yet they had to endure 600 years of persecution) I estimate at least
hundred thousand victims (including the Spanish inquisition but excluding
victims in the New World).
* Spanish Inquisitor Torquemada, a former Dominican friar, allegedly was
responsible for 10,220 burnings. [DO28]
* John Huss, a critic of papal infallibility and indulgences, was burned at
the stake in 1415. [LI475-522]
* Michael Sattler, leader of a baptist community, was burned at the stake in
Rottenburg, Germany, May 20, 1527. Several days later his wife and other
follwers were also executed. [KM]
* University professor B.Hubmaier burned at the stake 1538 in Vienna. [DO59]
* Giordano Bruno, Dominican monk, after having been incarcerated for seven
years, was burned at the stake for heresy on the Campo dei Fiori (Rome) on
2/17/1600.
* Thomas Aikenhead, a twenty-year-old scottish student of Edinburgh
University, was hanged for atheism and blasphemy.

Witches

* From the beginning of Christianity to 1484 probably more than several
thousand.
* In the era of witch hunting (1484-1750) according to modern scholars
several hundred thousand (about 80% female) burned at the stake or hanged.
[WV]


Religious Wars

* 15th century: Crusades against Hussites, thousands slain. [DO30]
* 1538 pope Paul III declared Crusade against apostate England and all
English as slaves of Church (fortunately had not power to go into action).
[DO31]
* 1568 Spanish Inquisition Tribunal ordered extermination of 3 million
rebels in (then Spanish) Netherlands. [DO31]
Between 5000 and 6000 Protestants were drowned by Spanish Catholic Troops,
"a disaster the burghers of Emden first realized when several thousand
broad-brimmed Dutch hats floated by." [SH216]
* 1572 In France about 20,000 Huguenots were killed on command of pope Pius
V. Until 17th century 200,000 flee. [DO31]
* 17th century: Catholics slay Gaspard de Coligny, a Protestant leader.
After murdering him, the Catholic mob mutilated his body, "cutting off his
head, his hands, and his genitals... and then dumped him into the river
[...but] then, deciding that it was not worthy of being food for the fish,
they hauled it out again [... and] dragged what was left ... to the gallows
of Montfaulcon, 'to be meat and carrion for maggots and crows'." [SH191]
* 17th century: Catholics sack the city of Magdeburg/Germany: roughly 30,000
Protestants were slain. "In a single church fifty women were found
beheaded," reported poet Friedrich Schiller, "and infants still sucking the
breasts of their lifeless mothers." [SH191]
* 17th century 30 years' war (Catholic vs. Protestant): at least 40% of
population decimated, mostly in Germany. [DO31-32]


Jews

* Already in the 4th and 5th centuries synagogues were burned by Christians.
Number of Jews slain unknown.
* In the middle of the fourth century the first synagogue was destroyed on
command of bishop Innocentius of Dertona in Northern Italy. The first
synagogue known to have been burned down was near the river Euphrat, on
command of the bishop of Kallinikon in the year 388. [DA450]
* 694 17. Council of Toledo: Jews were enslaved, their property confiscated,
and their children forcibly baptized. [DA454]
* 1010 The Bishop of Limoges (France) had the cities' Jews, who would not
convert to Christianity, expelled or killed. [DA453]
* 1096 First Crusade: Thousands of Jews slaughtered, maybe 12.000 total.
Places: Worms 5/18/1096, Mainz 5/27/1096 (1100 persons), Cologne, Neuss,
Altenahr, Wevelinghoven, Xanten, Moers, Dortmund, Kerpen, Trier, Metz,
Regensburg, Prag and others (All locations Germany except Metz/France,
Prag/Czech) [EJ]
* 1147 Second Crusade: Several hundred Jews were slain in Ham, Sully,
Carentan, and Rameru (all locations in France). [WW57]
* 1189/90 Third Crusade: English Jewish communities sacked. [DO40]
* 1235, Fulda/Germany: 34 Jewish men and women slain. [DO41]
* 1257, 1267: Jewish communities of London, Canterbury, Northampton,
Lincoln, Cambridge, and others exterminated. [DO41]
* 1290 Bohemia (Poland) allegedly 10,000 Jews killed. [DO41]
* 1337 Starting in Deggendorf/Germany a Jew-killing craze reaches 51 towns
in Bavaria, Austria, Poland. [DO41]
* 1348 All Jews of Basel/Switzerland and Strasbourg/France (two thousand)
burned. [DO41]
* 1349 In more than 350 towns in Germany all Jews murdered, mostly burned
alive (in this one year more Jews were killed than Christians in 200 years
of ancient Roman persecution of Christians). [DO42]
* 1389 In Prag 3,000 Jews were slaughtered. [DO42]
* 1391 Seville's Jews killed (Archbishop Martinez leading). 4,000 were
slain, 25,000 sold as slaves. [DA454] Their identification was made easy by
the brightly colored "badges of shame" that all Jews above the age of ten
had been forced to wear.
* 1492 In the year Columbus set sail to conquer a New World, more than
150,000 Jews were expelled from Spain, many died on their way: 6/30/1492.
[MM470-476]
* 1648 Chmielnitzki massacres: In Poland about 200,000 Jews were slain.
[DO43]

Native Peoples

* Beginning with Columbus (a former slave trader and would-be Holy Crusader)
the conquest of the New World began, as usual understood as a means to
propagate Christianity.
* Within hours of landfall on the first inhabited island he encountered in
the Caribbean, Columbus seized and carried off six native people who, he
said, "ought to be good servants ... [and] would easily be made Christians,
because it seemed to me that they belonged to no religion." [SH200]
While Columbus described the Indians as "idolators" and "slaves, as many as
[the Crown] shall order," his pal Michele de Cuneo, Italian nobleman,
referred to the natives as "beasts" because "they eat when they are hungry,"
and made love "openly whenever they feel like it." [SH204-205]
* On every island he set foot on, Columbus planted a cross, "making the
declarations that are required" - the requerimiento - to claim the ownership
for his Catholic patrons in Spain. And "nobody objected." If the Indians
refused or delayed their acceptance (or understanding), the requerimiento
continued:

"I certify to you that, with the help of God, we shall powerfully enter in
your country and shall make war against you ... and shall subject you to the
yoke and obedience of the Church ... and shall do you all mischief that we
can, as to vassals who do not obey and refuse to receive their lord and
resist and contradict him." [SH66]

* Likewise in the words of John Winthrop, first governor of Massachusetts
Bay Colony: "justifieinge the undertakeres of the intended Plantation in New
England ... to carry the Gospell into those parts of the world, ... and to
raise a Bulworke against the kingdome of the Ante-Christ." [SH235]
* In average two thirds of the native population were killed by
colonist-imported smallpox before violence began. This was a great sign of
"the marvelous goodness and providence of God" to the Christians of course,
e.g. the Governor of the Massachusetts Bay Colony wrote in 1634, as "for the
natives, they are near all dead of the smallpox, so as the Lord hath cleared
our title to what we possess." [SH109,238]
* On Hispaniola alone, on Columbus visits, the native population (Arawak), a
rather harmless and happy people living on an island of abundant natural
resources, a literal paradise, soon mourned 50,000 dead. [SH204]
* The surviving Indians fell victim to rape, murder, enslavement and Spanish
raids.
* As one of the culprits wrote: "So many Indians died that they could not be
counted, all through the land the Indians lay dead everywhere. The stench
was very great and pestiferous." [SH69]
* The Indian chief Hatuey fled with his people but was captured and burned
alive. As "they were tying him to the stake a Franciscan friar urged him to
take Jesus to his heart so that his soul might go to heaven, rather than
descend into hell. Hatuey replied that if heaven was where the Christians
went, he would rather go to hell." [SH70]
* What happened to his people was described by an eyewitness:
"The Spaniards found pleasure in inventing all kinds of odd cruelties ...
They built a long gibbet, long enough for the toes to touch the ground to
prevent strangling, and hanged thirteen [natives] at a time in honor of
Christ Our Saviour and the twelve Apostles... then, straw was wrapped around
their torn bodies and they were burned alive." [SH72]
Or, on another occasion:
"The Spaniards cut off the arm of one, the leg or hip of another, and from
some their heads at one stroke, like butchers cutting up beef and mutton for
market. Six hundred, including the cacique, were thus slain like brute
beasts...Vasco [de Balboa] ordered forty of them to be torn to pieces by
dogs." [SH83]
* The "island's population of about eight million people at the time of
Columbus's arrival in 1492 already had declined by a third to a half before
the year 1496 was out." Eventually all the island's natives were
exterminated, so the Spaniards were "forced" to import slaves from other
caribbean islands, who soon suffered the same fate. Thus "the Caribbean's
millions of native people [were] thereby effectively liquidated in barely a
quarter of a century". [SH72-73] "In less than the normal lifetime of a
single human being, an entire culture of millions of people, thousands of
years resident in their homeland, had been exterminated." [SH75]
* "And then the Spanish turned their attention to the mainland of Mexico and
Central America. The slaughter had barely begun. The exquisite city of
Tenochtitl�n [Mexico city] was next." [SH75]
* Cortez, Pizarro, De Soto and hundreds of other Spanish conquistadors
likewise sacked southern and mesoamerican civilizations in the name of
Christ (De Soto also sacked Florida).
* "When the 16th century ended, some 200,000 Spaniards had moved to the
Americas. By that time probably more than 60,000,000 natives were dead."
[SH95]

Of course no different were the founders of what today is the US of
Amerikkka.

* Although none of the settlers would have survived winter without native
help, they soon set out to expel and exterminate the Indians. Warfare among
(north American) Indians was rather harmless, in comparison to European
standards, and was meant to avenge insults rather than conquer land. In the
words of some of the pilgrim fathers: "Their Warres are farre less
bloudy...", so that there usually was "no great slawter of nether side".
Indeed, "they might fight seven yeares and not kill seven men." What is
more, the Indians usually spared women and children. [SH111]
* In the spring of 1612 some English colonists found life among the
(generally friendly and generous) natives attractive enough to leave
Jamestown - "being idell ... did runne away unto the Indyans," - to live
among them (that probably solved a sex problem).
"Governor Thomas Dale had them hunted down and executed: 'Some he apointed
(sic) to be hanged Some burned Some to be broken upon wheles, others to be
staked and some shott to deathe'." [SH105] Of course these elegant measures
were restricted for fellow Englishmen: "This was the treatment for those who
wished to act like Indians. For those who had no choice in the matter,
because they were the native people of Virginia" methods were different:
"when an Indian was accused by an Englishman of stealing a cup and failing
to return it, the English response was to attack the natives in force,
burning the entire community" down. [SH105]
* On the territory that is now Massachusetts the founding fathers of the
colonies were committing genocide, in what has become known as the "Peqout
War." The killers were New England Puritan Christians, refugees from
persecution in their own home country England.
* When however, a dead colonist was found, apparently killed by Narragansett
Indians, the Puritan colonists wanted revenge. Despite the Indian chief's
pledge they attacked.
Somehow they seem to have lost the idea of what they were after, because
when they were greeted by Pequot Indians (long-time foes of the
Narragansetts) the troops nevertheless made war on the Pequots and burned
their villages.
The puritan commander-in-charge John Mason after one massacre wrote: "And
indeed such a dreadful Terror did the Almighty let fall upon their Spirits,
that they would fly from us and run into the very Flames, where many of them
perished ... God was above them, who laughed his Enemies and the Enemies of
his People to Scorn, making them as a fiery Oven ... Thus did the Lord judge
among the Heathen, filling the Place with dead Bodies": men, women,
children. [SH113-114]
* So "the Lord was pleased to smite our Enemies in the hinder Parts, and to
give us their land for an inheritance". [SH111].
* Because of his readers' assumed knowledge of Deuteronomy, there was no
need for Mason to quote the words that immediately follow:
"Thou shalt save alive nothing that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly
destroy them..." (Deut 20)
* Mason's comrade Underhill recalled how "great and doleful was the bloody
sight to the view of the young soldiers" yet reassured his readers that
"sometimes the Scripture declareth women and children must perish with their
parents". [SH114]
* Other Indians were killed in successful plots of poisoning. The colonists
even had dogs especially trained to kill Indians and to devour children from
their mothers breasts, in the colonists' own words: "blood Hounds to draw
after them, and Mastives to seaze them." (This was inspired by Spanish
methods of the time)
In this way they continued until the extermination of the Pequots was near.
[SH107-119]
* The surviving handful of Indians "were parceled out to live in servitude.
John Endicott and his pastor wrote to the governor asking for 'a share' of
the captives, specifically 'a young woman or girle and a boy if you thinke
good'." [SH115]
* Other tribes were to follow the same path.
* Comment the Christian exterminators: "God's Will, which will at last give
us cause to say: How Great is His Goodness! and How Great is his Beauty!"
"Thus doth the Lord Jesus make them to bow before him, and to lick the
Dust!" [TA]
* Like today, lying was morally acceptable to Christians then. "Peace
treaties were signed with every intention to violate them: when the Indians
'grow secure uppon (sic) the treatie', advised the Council of State in
Virginia, 'we shall have the better Advantage both to surprise them, & cutt
downe theire Corne'." [SH106]
* In 1624 sixty heavily armed Englishmen cut down 800 defenseless Indian
men, women and children. [SH107]
* In a single massacre in "King Philip's War" of 1675 and 1676 some "600
Indians were destroyed. A delighted Cotton Mather, revered pastor of the
Second Church in Boston, later referred to the slaughter as a 'barbeque'."
[SH115]
* To summarize: Before the arrival of the English, the western Abenaki
people in New Hampshire and Vermont had numbered 12,000. Less than half a
century later about 250 remained alive - a destruction rate of 98%. The
Pocumtuck people had numbered more than 18,000, fifty years later they were
down to 920 - 95% destroyed. The Quiripi-Unquachog people had numbered about
30,000, fifty years later they were down to 1500 - 95% destroyed. The
Massachusetts people had numbered at least 44,000, fifty years later barely
6000 were alive - 81% destroyed. [SH118] These are only a few examples of
the multitude of tribes living before Christian colonists set their foot on
the New World. All this was before the smallpox epidemics of 1677 and 1678
had occurred. And the carnage was not over then.
* All the above was only the beginning of the European colonization, it was
before the frontier age actually had begun.
* A total of maybe more than 150 million Indians (of both Americas) were
destroyed in the period of 1500 to 1900, as an average two thirds by
smallpox and other epidemics, that leaves some 50 million killed directly by
violence, bad treatment and slavery.
* In many countries, such as Brazil, and Guatemala, this continues even
today.

More Glorious Events in U.S. History

* Reverend Solomon Stoddard, one of New England's most esteemed religious
leaders, in "1703 formally proposed to the Massachusetts Governor that the
colonists be given the financial wherewithal to purchase and train large
packs of dogs 'to hunt Indians as they do bears'." [SH241]

* Massacre of Sand Creek, Colorado 11/29/1864. Colonel John Chivington, a
former Methodist minister and still elder in the church ("I long to be
wading in gore") had a Cheyenne village of about 600, mostly women and
children, gunned down despite the chiefs' waving with a white flag: 400-500
killed.
From an eye-witness account: "There were some thirty or forty squaws
collected in a hole for protection; they sent out a little girl about six
years old with a white flag on a stick; she had not proceeded but a few
steps when she was shot and killed. All the squaws in that hole were
afterwards killed ..." [SH131]

* By the 1860s, "in Hawai'i the Reverend Rufus Anderson surveyed the carnage
that by then had reduced those islands' native population by 90 percent or
more, and he declined to see it as tragedy; the expected total die-off of
the Hawaiian population was only natural, this missionary said, somewhat
equivalent to 'the amputation of diseased members of the body'." [SH244]

20th Century Church Atrocities

Catholic extermination camps
Surprisingly few know that Nazi extermination camps in World War II were by
no means the only ones in Europe at the time. In the years 1942-1943 also in
Croatia existed numerous extermination camps, run by Catholic Ustasha under
their dictator Ante Paveli�, a practicing Catholic and regular visitor to
the then pope. There were even concentration camps exclusively for children!
In these camps - the most notorious was Jasenovac, headed by a Franciscan
friar - orthodox-Christian Serbians (and a substantial number of Jews) were
murdered. Like the Nazis the Catholic Ustasha burned their victims in kilns,
alive (the Nazis were decent enough to have their victims gassed first). But
most of the victims were simply stabbed, slain or shot to death, the number
of them being estimated between 300,000 and 600,000, in a rather tiny
country. Many of the killers were Franciscan friars. The atrocities were
appalling enough to induce bystanders of the Nazi "Sicherheitsdienst der
SS", watching, to complain about them to Hitler (who did not listen). The
pope knew about these events and did nothing to prevent them. [MV]

* Catholic terror in Vietnam
In 1954 Vietnamese freedom fighters - the Viet Minh - had finally defeated
the French colonial government in North Vietnam, which by then had been
supported by U.S. funds amounting to more than $2 billion. Although the
victorious assured religious freedom to all (most non-Buddhist Vietnamese
were Catholics), due to huge anticommunist propaganda campaigns many
Catholics fled to the South. With the help of Catholic lobbies in Washington
and Cardinal Spellman, the Vatican's spokesman in U.S. politics, who later
on would call the U.S. forces in Vietnam "Soldiers of Christ", a scheme was
concocted to prevent democratic elections which could have brought the
communist Viet Minh to power in the South as well, and the fanatic Catholic
Ngo Dinh Diem was made president of South Vietnam. [MW16ff]
Diem saw to it that U.S. aid, food, technical and general assistance was
given to Catholics alone, Buddhist individuals and villages were ignored or
had to pay for the food aids which were given to Catholics for free. The
only religious denomination to be supported was Roman Catholicism.
The Vietnamese McCarthyism turned even more vicious than its American
counterpart. By 1956 Diem promulgated a presidential order which read:

"Individuals considered dangerous to the national defense and common
security may be confined by executive order, to a concentration camp."

Supposedly to fight communism, thousands of Buddhist protesters and monks
were imprisoned in "detention camps." Out of protest dozens of Buddhist
teachers - male and female - and monks poured gasoline over themselves and
burned themselves. (Note that Buddhists burned themselves: in comparison
Christians tend to burn others). Meanwhile some of the prison camps, which
in the meantime were filled with Protestant and even Catholic protesters as
well, had turned into no-nonsense death camps. It is estimated that during
this period of terror (1955-1960) at least 24,000 were wounded - mostly in
street riots - 80,000 people were executed, 275,000 had been detained or
tortured, and about 500,000 were sent to concentration or detention camps.
[MW76-89].
To support this kind of government in the next decade thousands of American
GI's lost their life.

* Christianity kills the cat
On July 1, 1976, Anneliese Michel, a 23-year-old student of a teachers
college in Germany, died: she starved herself to death. For months she had
been haunted by demonic visions and apparitions, and for months two Catholic
priests - with explicit approval of the Catholic bishop of W�rzburg -
additionally pestered and tormented the wretched girl with their exorcist
rituals. After her death in Klingenberg hospital - her body was littered
with wounds - her parents, both of them fanatical Catholics, were sentenced
to six months for not having called for medical help. None of the priests
was punished: on the contrary, Miss Michel's grave today is a place of
pilgrimage and worship for a number of similarly faithful Catholics (in the
seventeenth century W�rzburg was notorious for it's extensive witch
burnings).
This case is only the tip of an iceberg of such evil superstition and has
become known only because of its lethal outcome. [SP80]

* Rwanda Massacres
In 1994 in the small African country of Rwanda in just a few months several
hundred thousand civilians were butchered, apparently a conflict of the Hutu
and Tutsi ethnic groups.
For quite some time I heard only rumors about Catholic clergy actively
involved in the 1994 Rwanda massacres. Odd denials of involvement were
printed in Catholic church journals, before even anybody had openly accused
members of the church.
Then, 10/10/96, in the newscast of S2 Aktuell, Germany - a station not at
all critical to Christianity - the following was stated:

"Anglican as well as Catholic priests and nuns are suspect of having
actively participated in murders. Especially the conduct of a certain
Catholic priest has been occupying the public mind in Rwanda's capital
Kigali for months. He was minister of the church of the Holy Family and
allegedly murdered Tutsis in the most brutal manner. He is reported to have
accompanied marauding Hutu militia with a gun in his cowl. In fact there has
been a bloody slaughter of Tutsis seeking shelter in his parish. Even two
years after the massacres many Catholics refuse to set foot on the threshold
of their church, because to them the participation of a certain part of the
clergy in the slaughter is well established. There is almost no church in
Rwanda that has not seen refugees - women, children, old - being brutally
butchered facing the crucifix.
According to eyewitnesses clergymen gave away hiding Tutsis and turned them
over to the machetes of the Hutu militia.
In connection with these events again and again two Benedictine nuns are
mentioned, both of whom have fled into a Belgian monastery in the meantime
to avoid prosecution. According to survivors one of them called the Hutu
killers and led them to several thousand people who had sought shelter in
her monastery. By force the doomed were driven out of the churchyard and
were murdered in the presence of the nun right in front of the gate. The
other one is also reported to have directly cooperated with the murderers of
the Hutu militia. In her case again witnesses report that she watched the
slaughtering of people in cold blood and without showing response. She is
even accused of having procured some petrol used by the killers to set on
fire and burn their victims alive..." [S2]

More recently the BBC aired:

Priests get death sentence for Rwandan genocide
BBC NEWS April 19, 1998

A court in Rwanda has sentenced two Roman Catholic priests to death for
their role in the genocide of 1994, in which up to a million Tutsis and
moderate Hutus were killed. Pope John Paul said the priests must be made to
account for their actions. Different sections of the Rwandan church have
been widely accused of playing an active role in the genocide of 1994...

* As can be seen from these events, to Christianity the Dark Ages never come
to an end.

[ram...@truthonly.com.swordofbaal]

"J" wrote in message news:5runjk....@news.alt.net...

> As with most of these so-called 'gay bashing' incidents, the entire thing
> turned out to be a big lie. Is it any wonder why
those who believe
> in decency, morals, and truthfulness
refuse to accept anything these
> people say at face value?

In case those previous things that "Those who believe in decency, morals,
and truthfulness" did was not enough, here are some more.........


Holy Inquisition


---------
The torture, imprisonment, and burning at the stake were to force the people
to follow the Christian faith
The Holy Inquisition stared in the 12 century and is still there now in a
lesser degree and is called Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.
It tortured and butchered people through hundreds and hundreds of years.
Estimates as high as 9 million were killed as a result of the Inquisition,
but it is possible that the actual number was less than this, but no
accurate number is known.
==================================
Most defendants confessed in the long run in order to escape the great
anguish and bitter torture.
Once found guilty (regardless) they were handed over to the civil
authorities to be "relaxed" (that is of course, burnt alive)
In 1252, Pope Innocent IV officially authorized the creation of the
horrifying Inquisition torture chambers. It also included anew perpetual
imprisonment or death at the stake without the bishops consent. Acquittal of
the accused was now virtually impossible. Thus, with a license granted by
the pope himself, Inquisitors were free to explore the depths of horror and
cruelty. Dressed as black-robed fiends with black cowls over their heads,
Inquisitors could extract confessions from just about anyone. The
Inquisition invented every conceivable devise to inflict pain by slowly
dismembering and dislocating the body.
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican29.htm
===============================================================
Joan of Arc is possible the most famous who was burnt at the stake, and then
later canonize as a Saint by the Catholic Church in 1920.
===============================================================
The inquisitorial trial generally favored the prosecution (the Church).
Confessing 'in full' was the best hope of receiving a lighter punishment -
but with little hope of escaping at least some punishment. And a 'full'
confession was one which implicated others, including other family members.
Torture could be used after 1252. On May 15, Pope Innocent IV issued a papal
bull entitled Ad exstirpanda, which authorized the use of torture by
inquisitors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Medieval_Inquisition
-------------------
From its beginning, the Papal Inquisition worked by ignoring all rules of
natural justice. Guilt was assumed from the start. The accused had no right
to see the evidence against them, or their accusers. They were not always
told what the charges were against them. They had no right to legal counsel,
and if exceptionally they were allowed a legal representative then the
representative risked being arrested for heresy as well.
People were charged on the say-so of hostile neighbours, known enemies and
professional informers who were paid on commission. False accusations, if
exposed, were excused if they were the result of "zeal for the Faith".
Guilty verdicts were assured - especially since, in addition to their
punishment, half of a guilty person's property was seized by the Church. The
Dominicans soon hit on the idea of digging up and trying dead people, so
that they could seize property from their heirs.
Torture became a favourite method of extracting confessions for offences
both real and fabricated. Its use was explicitly sanctioned by Pope Innocent
IV in 1252 in his bull ad extirpanda though it had been practiced from the
earliest days. Inquisitors and their assistants were permitted to absolve
one another for applying torture. Instruments of torture, like crusaders'
weapons, were routinely blessed with holy water.
Torture was applied to obtain whatever confessions were required, and
sometimes just to punish people that the Church authorities did not like -
people could be and were tortured even after they had confessed.
http://www.cathar.info/1209_inquisition.htm
====================================================
Spanish Inquisition
Evidence that was used to identify a crypto-Jew included the absence of
chimney smoke on Saturdays (a sign the family might secretly be honoring the
Sabbath) or the buying of many vegetables before the Passover.
--------
The Inquisition was extremely active between 1480 and 1530. Different
sources give different estimates of the number of trials and executions in
this period; Henry Kamen estimates about 2,000 executed, based on the
documentation of the autos-da-f�, the great majority being conversos of
Jewish origin. He offers striking statistics: 91.6% of those judged in
Valencia between 1484 and 1530 and 99.3% of those judged in Barcelona
between 1484 and 1505 were of Jewish origin.
--------
The first auto-da-f� was held in Seville on February 6, 1481: six people
were burned alive. From there, the Inquisition grew rapidly in the Kingdom
of Castile. By 1492, tribunals existed in eight Castilian cities.
many true and faithful Christians, because of the testimony of enemies,
rivals, slaves and other low people�and still less appropriate�without tests
of any kind, have been locked up in secular prisons, tortured and condemned
like relapsed heretics, deprived of their goods and properties, and given
over to the secular arm to be executed, at great danger to their souls,
giving a pernicious example and causing scandal to many
---------
The Inquisition not only hunted for Protestants and false converts from
Judaism, the conversos but also searched for false or relapsed converts
among the Moriscos, forced converts from Islam
----------
49,092 trials from the period 1560�1700
-----------
In 1506 at Seville the Inquisition made a special investigation into sodomy,
causing many arrests and many fugitives and burning 12 persons.
The tribunal of Zaragoza distinguished itself for its severity in judging
these offences: between 1571�1579, 101 men accused of sodomy were processed
and at least 35 were executed. In total, between 1570 and 1630 there were
534 trials (incl. 187 for homosexuality, 245 for bestiality, and 111 with
unknown specification of the charges) with 102 executions (incl. 27 for
homosexuality, 64 for bestiality and 11 uncertain cases).
------------
The historian Hernando del Pulgar, contemporary of Ferdinand and Isabella,
estimated that the Inquisition had burned at the stake 2,000 people and
reconciled another 15,000 by 1490 (just one decade after the Inquisition
began).[
------------
Holding Someone's feet to the fire: Torture with a view to the confession
for heresy. The target was positioned in a manner that allowed the
inquisitor to apply flames to the feet & lower body of the accused. This was
often done until the accused confessed or died.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_Inquisition
==================================
So there you have it Catholics, Protestants, Muslims, Jews were all victims
of the Inquisition.

[Paul Duca]

On Friday, August 10, 2012 12:18:20 AM UTC-4, J wrote:
> As with most of these so-called 'gay bashing' incidents, the entire
>
> thing turned out to be a big lie. Is it any wonder why those who believe
>

> in decency, morals, and truthfulness expect a LOT more reward than God
>
> ever plans to give them?

[J]

> mass murderer prior to the Nazi era) in 1209. Beziérs (today France)

> of Tenochtitlán [Mexico city] was next." [SH75]

> Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveliç, a practicing Catholic and

> Würzburg - additionally pestered and tormented the wretched girl with

> their exorcist rituals. After her death in Klingenberg hospital - her
> body was littered with wounds - her parents, both of them fanatical
> Catholics, were sentenced to six months for not having called for
> medical help. None of the priests was punished: on the contrary, Miss
> Michel's grave today is a place of pilgrimage and worship for a number

> of similarly faithful Catholics (in the seventeenth century Würzburg was

...and what does any of this crap have to do with some homo lying about
getting his ass beat?

[J]

On 8/11/2012 3:44 PM, ram...@truthonly.com.Sword of Baal wrote:
>
>

> mass murderer prior to the Nazi era) in 1209. Beziérs (today France)

> of Tenochtitlán [Mexico city] was next." [SH75]

> Ustasha under their dictator Ante Paveliç, a practicing Catholic and

> Würzburg - additionally pestered and tormented the wretched girl with

> their exorcist rituals. After her death in Klingenberg hospital - her
> body was littered with wounds - her parents, both of them fanatical
> Catholics, were sentenced to six months for not having called for
> medical help. None of the priests was punished: on the contrary, Miss
> Michel's grave today is a place of pilgrimage and worship for a number

> of similarly faithful Catholics (in the seventeenth century Würzburg was

...and what does any of this crap have to do with some homo lying about
getting his ass beat?

[ram...@truthonly.com.swordofbaal]

"J" wrote in message news:5s3rmj....@news.alt.net...

First of all if you think these facts are crap, prove they are wrong.

You post ONE person who may have lied about being bashed, when their are
thousands upon thousands who have been bashed. While I show "Those who
believe in decency, morals, and truthfulness" have killed millions and you
call that crap.

Here is more of what Christians have done.


http://www.atheistnexus.org/profiles/blogs/religious-atrocities-history

Jews and others

So much for your "Those who believe in decency, morals, and truthfulness" we
can see just what they are like.

[ram...@truthonly.com.swordofbaal]

"J" wrote in message news:5s3rr2....@news.alt.net...

On 8/11/2012 3:44 PM, ram...@truthonly.com.Sword of Baal wrote:
>
>
> "J" wrote in message news:5runjk....@news.alt.net...
>
>
>>> As with most of these so-called 'gay bashing' incidents, the entire
>>> thing turned out to be a big lie. Is it any wonder why those who
>>> believe in decency, morals, and truthfulness refuse to accept anything
>>> these people say at face value?
>
>
>
>
>> We know all about "Those who believe in decency, morals" we have see in
>> history what they have done.

> ..and what does any of this crap have to do with some homo lying about
> getting his ass beat?

You talk about one incident, I talk about 9 Million who were killed,
tortured and gaoled by you crowd of "Those who believe in decency, morals
and truthfulness" now we can see just what this crowd is like, want more,
here you are, more of the hateful thing your crowd have done. Of course you
call it crap, so prove it is not facts.

--------------------------

3 Persecution of Homosexuals by Christians.

In both Ancient Rome and Greece homosexuality was permitted.

Once the Christian church became a power, the persecution of homosexuals
began.

Most of the ancient Near East adopted an attitude to homosexuality very
similar to that of classical
Greece and Rome which simply accepted it as long as it was done among
consenting adults

http://www.conservapedia.com/Greek_Homosexuality

==================

Negative attitudes towards same-sex relations continued following the
adoption of Christianity and in 390, laws were re-enacted, making such
relations punishable by death

http://www.enotes.com/topic/Homosexuality_in_ancient_Rome

-----------------------------

The Romans brought, as with other aspects of their culture, their sexual
morality to Spain.[1] Romans were open minded about their sexuality, and
relationships among men were commonplace. Among the Romans, bisexuality
seems to have been perceived as the ideal. Edward Gibbon mentions, of the
first fifteen emperors, "Claudius was the only one whose taste in love was
entirely correct"—the implication being that he was the only one not to take
men or boys as lovers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Spain


From various sources.

342 – The first law against same-sex marriage was promulgated by the
Christian emperors Constantius II and Constans.

529 – The Christian emperor Justinian I (527–565) made homosexuals a scape
goat for problems such as "famines, earthquakes, and pestilences.

589 – The Visigothic kingdom in Spain, is converted from Arianism to
Catholicism. This conversion leads to a revision of the law to conform to
those of Catholic countries. These revisions include provisions for the
persecution of gays and Jews.

1120 – Baldwin II of the Kingdom of Jerusalem, convenes the Council of
Nablus to address the vices within the Kingdom. The Council calls for the
burning of individuals who perpetually commit sodomy.

1232 – Pope Gregory IX starts the Inquisition in the Italian City-States.
Some cities called for banishment and/or amputation as punishments for 1st-
and 2nd-offending sodomites and burning for the 3rd or habitual offenders.

1250–1300 – Homosexual activity radically passes from being completely legal
in the most of Europe to incurring the death penalty in most European states

1260 – In France, first-offending sodomites lost their testicles, second
offenders lost their member, and third offenders were burned. Women caught
in same-sex acts could be mutilated and executed as well.

1265 – Thomas Aquinas argues that sodomy is second only to murder in the
ranking of sins.

1283 – The French Civil Code dictated that convicted sodomites not only were
burned but that their property was forfeited.

1327 – The deposed King Edward II of England is killed, allegedly by forcing
a red-hot poker through his rectum. Edward II had a history of conflict with
the nobility, who repeatedly banished his former lover Piers Gaveston, the
Earl of Cornwall.

1483 – The Spanish Inquisition begins. Sodomites were stoned, castrated, and
burned. Between

1540 and 1700, more than 1,600 people were prosecuted for sodomy.

1532 – Holy Roman Empire makes sodomy punishable by death.

1533 – King Henry VIII passes the Buggery Act 1533 making all male-male
sexual activity punishable by death.

1620 – Brandenburg-Prussia criminalizes sodomy, making it punishable by
death.

1624 – Richard Cornish of the Virginia Colony is tried and hanged for
sodomy.

1726 – Mother Clap's molly house in London is raided by police, resulting in
the execution of three men.

1903 – In New York on February 21, 1903, New York police conducted the first
United States recorded raid on a gay bathhouse, the Ariston Hotel Baths. 26
men were arrested and 12 brought to trial on sodomy charges; 7 men received
sentences ranging from 4 to 20 years in prison.
That is only scratching the surface of all those poor people thrown into
prison tortured and killed by these laws brought in by these Christians.

=========================

Yep we can see what 'nice' people these "Those who believe in decency,
morals, and truthfulness" heartless and vicious cretins. who will do
anything to force their beliefs on others.


Of course if you also call this crap, you can prove it is
wrong...................

So far you have failed to disprove any of the horrid hateful thing these
Christians have done.

[•R.Measures]

In article <uqLVr.427$tH2...@viwinnwfe01.internal.bigpond.com>,

> You talk about one incident, I talk about 9 Million who were killed, ...

• According to their own records the Holy Office of the
Inquisition/Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, c. 330,000 were
killed prior to 1830. ["Vicars of Christ", Fr. Peter DeRosa, 1988, New
York, NY, Crown Publishers.
Propagation of exaggerations about the Church of Rome does not abet your case.

[ram...@truthonly.com.swordofbaal]

"•R.Measures" wrote in message news:r-1208120...@10.0.1.3...

You may believe them, but as we have seen in recent times how the church
lied about its workers having sex with minors, hence I do not not believe
them.


I am sure no one knows just how many the church killed and tortured, but
there are many numbers quoted

http://www.cuttingedge.org/news/n1676.cfm
// As many as 75 million people paid the ultimate price, while many millions
more were intimidated, tortured\\

www.cs.unc.edu/~plaisted/estimates.doc
Numerous numbers some as high as 150 million, quite a few around the 50
million.

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican29.htm
//The estimate of the death toll during the Inquisitions ranged worldwide
from 600,000 to as high in the millions covering a span of almost six
centuries.\\



Have you read about the various tortures? For instance the pear?

All done in the name of religion and the church.

[Bill Taylor]

In article <5runjk....@news.alt.net>

The up with faggots movement has suffered a number of defeats
lately. They deserve every one that punches them in their faces.

[Paul Duca]

On Aug 12, 1:25 pm, Bill Taylor <nob...@nymu.eu> wrote:

Sounds like Mrs. Taylor's kept her legs shut a long, LONG time....


Paul