Catholic Church Tries To Silence Victims

[Mitchell Holman]

Catholic Church now trying to silence victims' support group
March 19, 2012


Ten years after Catholic bishops swore to clean up their
act after decades of sexual abuse by priests and cover-ups
by their leaders, the Catholic Church is proving that old
habits die hard. The New York Times reported last week that
attorneys for the church have subpoenaed records from the
Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, known to most
people as SNAP, as part of sex abuse lawsuits in St. Louis
and Kansas City. The subpoenas demand e-mail records and,
in some cases, testimony � even though SNAP isn�t directly
involved in the suits.

The church demanded 23 years of SNAP�s communication with
victims, though the victim in the suit is only 19. They�ve
wasted hundreds of hours of staff time and cost SNAP $50,000.
Now, SNAP is begging lawyers to work pro bono.

William Donohue, president of the Catholic League for
Religious and Civil Rights, outlined the strategy to the
Times: "SNAP is a menace to the Catholic Church," he said.
"There�s a growing consensus on the part of the bishops
that they had better ... buy some good lawyers and get
tough."

The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops denied turning up
the heat, but the Missouri strategy is clear: Make victims
afraid to talk to SNAP and bury them under legal fees � the
tactic corporations such as tobacco firms use to silence
smaller opponents: Intimidate, outspend.

For decades, the Catholic hierarchy � behind the backs of
its innocent clergy and millions of parishioners � used
intimidation and secrecy to hide accusations that priests
molested children. Now, it�s using the same tactics to
silence a group that gives aid and comfort to the priests�
victims.

SNAP is a support group, a referral center for victims. But
the church sees SNAP as ringleaders and organizers. They
want to bust SNAP the way sweatshops busted labor unions.
http://tinyurl.com/6ug9x8d

[Patrick]

"Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote...

> Catholic Church now trying to silence victims' support group
> March 19, 2012

The New York Times reported last week that
> attorneys for the church have subpoenaed records from the
> Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, known to most
> people as SNAP, as part of sex abuse lawsuits in St. Louis
> and Kansas City. The subpoenas demand e-mail records and,

> in some cases, testimony - even though SNAP isn't directly
> involved in the suits.

That is because SNAP has deliberately made KNOWN
false allegations, and has consistently reported false items
in bad faith. It is time for them to come forward (as the Church has)
with documentation, hate filled rants, lying e-mails, and deliberate
unsupported allegations.
Excellent news.

[W.T.S.]

In article <4r2dnejnP9d4B_XS...@posted.localnet>,
bark...@erinot.com says...

Bull shit. The Catholic Church is hardly a center for truth and
enlightenment. I'll take SNAPs word over the RCC any day of the week.


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[default]

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 10:34:15 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>>
>> That is because SNAP has deliberately made KNOWN
>> false allegations, and has consistently reported false items
>> in bad faith. It is time for them to come forward (as the Church has)
>> with documentation, hate filled rants, lying e-mails, and deliberate
>> unsupported allegations.
>> Excellent news.
>Bull shit. The Catholic Church is hardly a center for truth and
>enlightenment. I'll take SNAPs word over the RCC any day of the week.
>

Patsy is hardly a paragon of truth or enlightenment; so what did you
expect?

He still doesn't understand that people hate the Catholic Church for
very good reasons.

[Ray Fischer]

Patrick <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>"Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote...
>> Catholic Church now trying to silence victims' support group
>> March 19, 2012
>The New York Times reported last week that
>> attorneys for the church have subpoenaed records from the
>> Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, known to most
>> people as SNAP, as part of sex abuse lawsuits in St. Louis
>> and Kansas City. The subpoenas demand e-mail records and,
>> in some cases, testimony - even though SNAP isn't directly
>> involved in the suits.
>
>That is because SNAP has deliberately made KNOWN
>false allegations, and has consistently reported false items

According to corrupt perverts like Ratprick, any accusaiton against a
priest is false.

--
Ray Fischer | None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
rfis...@sonic.net | Goethe

[Patrick]

"W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:MPG.29d25f6f8...@news.west.earthlink.net...

> In article <4r2dnejnP9d4B_XS...@posted.localnet>,
> bark...@erinot.com says...
>> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote...
>> > Catholic Church now trying to silence victims' support group
>> > March 19, 2012
>> The New York Times reported last week that
>> > attorneys for the church have subpoenaed records from the
>> > Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, known to most
>> > people as SNAP, as part of sex abuse lawsuits in St. Louis
>> > and Kansas City. The subpoenas demand e-mail records and,
>> > in some cases, testimony - even though SNAP isn't directly
>> > involved in the suits.
>>
>> That is because SNAP has deliberately made KNOWN
>> false allegations, and has consistently reported false items
>> in bad faith. It is time for them to come forward (as the Church has)
>> with documentation, hate filled rants, lying e-mails, and deliberate
>> unsupported allegations.
>> Excellent news.
> Bull shit. The Catholic Church is hardly a center for truth and
> enlightenment. I'll take SNAPs word over the RCC any day of the week.

Of course you would.
You hate Catholics because we label you as a sinner.

[Patrick]

<default> wrote in message
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<yawn>
Yeah, I hate the USA because it once allowed slavery.
I hate Obamma because he sent troops into harms way.
I hate democraps because they allow children tobe murdered.
Yeah, yeah,..... gotcha.

[Patrick]

"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4f68c14e$0$11948$742e...@news.sonic.net...

> Patrick <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>>"Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote...
>>> Catholic Church now trying to silence victims' support group
>>> March 19, 2012
>>The New York Times reported last week that
>>> attorneys for the church have subpoenaed records from the
>>> Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, known to most
>>> people as SNAP, as part of sex abuse lawsuits in St. Louis
>>> and Kansas City. The subpoenas demand e-mail records and,
>>> in some cases, testimony - even though SNAP isn't directly
>>> involved in the suits.
>>
>>That is because SNAP has deliberately made KNOWN
>>false allegations, and has consistently reported false items
>
> According to corrupt perverts like Ratprick, any accusaiton against a
> priest is false.

Never said that, dork.
There have been a few evil fag priests.
Thank God, we are actively searching them out and dismissing them.

[W.T.S.]

In article <q6WdnRf14-dGb_XS...@posted.localnet>,
bark...@erinot.com says...

The Catholic Church is soaked in sin. It has no business calling anyone
a "sinner". Beyond that, the RCC is soaked in unspeakable crimes
against all humanity.

[Ray Fischer]

Patrick <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote in message

>> Patrick <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>>>"Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote...
>>>> Catholic Church now trying to silence victims' support group
>>>> March 19, 2012
>>>The New York Times reported last week that
>>>> attorneys for the church have subpoenaed records from the
>>>> Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, known to most
>>>> people as SNAP, as part of sex abuse lawsuits in St. Louis
>>>> and Kansas City. The subpoenas demand e-mail records and,
>>>> in some cases, testimony - even though SNAP isn't directly
>>>> involved in the suits.
>>>
>>>That is because SNAP has deliberately made KNOWN
>>>false allegations, and has consistently reported false items
>>
>> According to corrupt perverts like Ratprick, any accusaiton against a
>> priest is false.
>
>Never said that, dork.

According to the corrupt and evil Ratprick, the church is the victim
for enabling and protecting child molesters.

>There have been a few evil fag priests.

What about the ones who molest girls, you evil pervert?

[Paul Duca]

On Mar 20, 5:15 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> "Ray Fischer" <rfisc...@sonic.net> wrote in message

What else DOES Patrick have to thank for, now that he made it through
his cruise safely?

Paul

[Mitchell Holman]

"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in
news:ktGdnURs7530bvXS...@posted.localnet:

Don't forget the evil fag nuns who molest little girls.




Irish nun to face 87 charges of sexual abuse young girls
March 7, 2012

An Irish nun is to appear before a special sitting of
the country’s Circuit Court on 87 charges of the sexual
abuse of primary school girls.

The nun, whose name has been withheld by the State to
protect her victims, appeared at Sligo Circuit Court
on Tuesday.

The case was transferred from another county only last
week according to DPP barrister Dara Foynes. Newspaper
reports say that several of the nun’s alleged victims
were in court for the brief hearing. Those present heard
the barrister for the accused woman complain about the
delay in the trial. She said her client had been charged
in January 2010.

http://tinyurl.com/6mvqs4t

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <XnsA01C565151F1...@216.196.121.131>, Mitchell

• "Ye will know them by their fruits. "

--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <4r2dnejnP9d4B_XS...@posted.localnet>, "Patrick"

** So altar boys were only inadvertently touched like Duke said?

[Mr. Malthus]

In article <XnsA01C565151F1...@216.196.121.131>,
Mitchell Holman <nomailcomcast.net> wrote:

> Catholic Church now trying to silence victims' support group
> March 19, 2012
>
>
> Ten years after Catholic bishops swore to clean up their
> act after decades of sexual abuse by priests and cover-ups
> by their leaders, the Catholic Church is proving that old
> habits die hard. The New York Times reported last week that
> attorneys for the church have subpoenaed records from the
> Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, known to most

> people as SNAP...

This is totally to be expected from the priests of a false religion
whose existence has always been that of sexual predator upon their
communities.

This is why their entire "moral system" is based--predicated if you
will--upon trying to make people feel guilty about sex.

The only guilty sex is rape. Pedophilia seems to be the preferred flavor
of rape, starting with Jesus, according to the gospels.

We need to start punishing parents who expose their children to
dangerous men. Also punishing institutions that pay for pedophilia,
e.g., Catholic schools.

[Mr. Malthus]

Hiya, Pedo,

> That is because SNAP has deliberately made KNOWN

> false allegations...


Name one.

[Les Hellawell]

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 18:46:14 -0500, "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net>
wrote:

and just when you don't think they could get worse:

Dutch Roman Catholic church 'castrated' boys in 1950s

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17453849

"Up to 11 boys were castrated while in the care of the Dutch Roman
Catholic church in the 1950s to rid them of homosexuality, a newspaper
investigation has said. "

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <2u3jm79e8h4ri6qmd...@4ax.com>, Les Hellawell

• Castrating Homosexual boys is nuts.

[default]

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 08:24:10 +0000, Les Hellawell <les...@here.com>
wrote:

>>
>and just when you don't think they could get worse:
>
>Dutch Roman Catholic church 'castrated' boys in 1950s
>
>http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17453849
>
>"Up to 11 boys were castrated while in the care of the Dutch Roman
>Catholic church in the 1950s to rid them of homosexuality, a newspaper
>investigation has said. "
>
>

The total was 10 boys when I looked at it last week... One of the
things that is getting out is that the castrations were not exactly
"surgical" in nature. More like a botched job or no anesthesia used.
One wonders how many corpses will turn up if they look hard enough.

So far they don't mention any pre-pubescent boys.

Hard to believe there are still Catholics that deny the immorality of
the RCC.

I remember one of the nuns lecturing us about the inquisition and the
political popes of the middle ages, and how that was "all behind us
now."

[Mike Painter]

Sure they have and the scientists who reported cigarettes caused cancer
did the same thing.

The RCC knew this had been going on for centuries and did nothing.
The tobacco industry knew it from the work of Hitler's scientists and
did nothing.

[Patrick]

"W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote

> The Catholic Church is soaked in sin. It has no business calling anyone
> a "sinner". Beyond that, the RCC is soaked in unspeakable crimes
> against all humanity.

<yawn>

[Patrick]

"Les Hellawell" <les...@here.com> wrote

> and just when you don't think they could get worse:
> Dutch Roman Catholic church 'castrated' boys in 1950s
> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17453849
> "Up to 11 boys were castrated while in the care of the Dutch Roman
> Catholic church in the 1950s to rid them of homosexuality, a newspaper
> investigation has said. "

Probably helped the little fags to become straight.
Probably followed the advice of the shrinks of the day.
Fagotry used to be a disease in their DSM, dontchuknow?

[Patrick]

". R. L. Measures." <r...@somis.org> wrote
> . Castrating Homosexual boys is nuts.

The Catholic Church in the Netherlands castrated at least 10 boys in the
1950s to cure them of their homosexuality, or to punish them for accusing
clergy members of sexual abuse. A report states that "surgical removal of
testicles was regarded as a treatment for homosexuality and also as a
punishment for those who accused clergy of sexual abuse."

Makes sense to me.

[Patrick]

<default> wrote ...

>>"Up to 11 boys were castrated while in the care of the Dutch Roman
>>Catholic church in the 1950s to rid them of homosexuality, a newspaper
>>investigation has said. "

> The total was 10 boys when I looked at it last week... One of the
> things that is getting out is that the castrations were not exactly
> "surgical" in nature. More like a botched job or no anesthesia used.
> One wonders how many corpses will turn up if they look hard enough.
> So far they don't mention any pre-pubescent boys.

Only one case could be confirmed --- in 1956. There, court papers confirm,
he was castrated "at his own request", despite no submission of his written
consent. Sources told Mr Dohmen that the surgical removal of testicles was

regarded as a treatment for homosexuality and also as a punishment for those
who accused clergy of sexual abuse.

This "boy" died in 1958. This is the BIG confirmed case?
All the others were unconfirmed.

How do you confirm a case from 1958?

[Patrick]

"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote

> According to the corrupt and evil Ratprick, the church is the victim
> for enabling and protecting child molesters.

Nope. Never said that.
We kicked you and every fag buddy you have out.

[Patrick]

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[Patrick]

"Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:XnsA01CD70F03B37...@216.196.121.131...

Wait until the nun is identified, the charges are laid,
and she can defend herself. Wait until she is arrested,
indicted, and prosecuted.
In the meantime, you don't know shit about the case.

[W.T.S.]

In article <weqdnakimsd0kPfS...@posted.localnet>,
bark...@erinot.com says...

[Patrick]

". R. L. Measures." <r...@somis.org> wrote in message
news:rL-200312...@10.0.1.3...

Nope, never said that.
SNAP is awfully fast to accuse, but awfully slow
to provide any proof. They have not always provided
real details, real facts. When any person is accused
of abusing a child, this is devastating to their life.
Do you remember Cardinal Bernardin?

Public hysteria regarding child molestation has changed the rules
of the criminal justice system. Child physical and sexual abuse
cases must be defended in an entirely different manner than the
normal criminal case. In theory the constitutional rights of the
defendant are still in place, however in reality those rights do
not apply. The truth is: The accused is presumed to be guilty.

[Patrick]

"Mr. Malthus" <malth...@aol.com> wrote

> The only guilty sex is rape. Pedophilia seems to be the preferred flavor
> of rape, starting with Jesus, according to the gospels.

Didn't you like it?

[Zacharias Mulletstein]

"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in message
news:9O2dncYE2JAqjffS...@posted.localnet...

I wouldn't want to go on a cruise. Trapped on a boat with a bunch of senior
citizens? Not my idea of fun.

[Patrick]

"Mr. Malthus" <malth...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:0c4f41053e814112...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net...

Shame on SNAP: Even After Priest Is Exonerated, Group Attacks Falsely
Accused Cleric
August 11, 2011
Earlier this month (8/8/11), a Hawaii jury deliberated just minutes to
declare that Fr. Bohdan Borowec, a Ukrainian Catholic priest visiting on
vacation from Canada, was entirely innocent on charges of kidnapping and
sexual assault.
Defense attorney Shawn A. Luiz, working pro bono on the case, effectively
demonstrated that the claims against the priest were a complete fabrication
from a woman of scant credibility. In addition to having an established
mental health history, the unstable accuser had a record of making a false
accusation against a priest before.

http://www.themediareport.com/2011/08/11/shame-on-snap-even-after-priest-is-exonerated-group-attacks-falsely-accused-cleric/

[Patrick]

"Mr. Malthus" <malth...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:0c4f41053e814112...@msgid.frell.theremailer.net...

1IT'S NOT ABOUT CATHOLIC PRIESTS
FACT: Catholic priests do not offend at a higher rate than clergy of other
religious denominations or employees of other institutions that deal with
youth.
Read more

Newsweek magazine, April 7, 2010:

"[E]xperts who study child abuse say they see little reason to conclude
that sexual abuse is mostly a Catholic issue. 'We don't see the Catholic
Church as a hotbed of this or a place that has a bigger problem than anyone
else,' said Ernie Allen, president of the National Center for Missing and
Exploited Children .

"Since the mid-1980s, insurance companies have offered sexual misconduct
coverage as a rider on liability insurance, and their own studies indicate
that Catholic churches are not higher risk than other congregations . It's
been that way for decades."

USA Today, June 6, 2010:

"If anyone believes that priests offend at a higher rate than teachers or
non-celibate clergy, then they should produce the evidence on which they are
basing that conclusion. I know of none. Saying 'everybody knows' does not
constitute scientific methodology."
- Dr. Philip Jenkins, Pennsylvania State University.


2STRANGE DAYS INDEED
FACT: The media's frenzied Catholic priest sex abuse storyline stems only
from a historical anomaly, as the vast majority of allegations occurred
during a narrow band of time from the 1960s to the early 1980s. During this
period the Church sent abusive priests to treatment, conforming to the
then-prevailing societal view that offenders could be successfully
rehabilitated but resulting in a high rate of recidivism.
Read more


Catholic Church Abuse Graph 1970-2009




"No one would hold a brain surgeon to today's standard of care for
professional decisions he made in 1970. Yet the decisions made in 1970 by
Catholic bishops, who routinely consulted with mental health professionals
about sick priests, are being judged by today's standards. Today, the
confidence of the mental health community about the likelihood of curing
sexual disorders is far less than it was in 1970."
- L. Martin Nussbaum, "Changing the Rules" (America magazine, 2006)

The Catholic Church was far from alone in its practice years ago of not
calling the police to report suspected abuse. During the 1970's, when the
Church was sending accused priests to psychological treatment, "the criminal
justice system was doing the very same thing with convicted offenders -
sending them to treatment instead of prison."

"From the 1950's to the 1980's, these treatment-based interventions for
sexual criminals were not only enormously prevalent in the United States,
but surveys of ordinary citizens showed that they were enormously popular .

"[T]he science of human sexuality and sexual offending is extraordinarily
young. Virtually all of the information we utilize today regarding the
treatment and supervision of sexual offenders has been discovered since
1985."
- Dr. Monica Applewhite, Ph.D.

According to the 2004 John Jay College report, 149 priests were "serial
abusers" (10+ victims) and accounted for an alarming 26% of all of the abuse
between 1950 and 2002.

Yet these 149 men represent only one-tenth of one percent of all priests who
served in the Catholic Church in the United States between 1950 and 2002.
Most accused priests (56%) have been the subject of only one allegation.



3YESTERDAY'S NEWS: CURRENT ACCUSATIONS AGAINST CATHOLIC PRIESTS ARE VERY
RARE
FACT: Almost all accusations against Catholic priests date from decades ago,
and indeed nearly half of all abuse accusations concern priests who are
already dead. In an institution of 77 million people, contemporaneous
accusations of abuse against Catholic clergy in the United States are very
rare, recently averaging only 8.5 "credible" allegations per year.
Read more

The Center for Applied Research in the Apostolate (CARA), the independent
research organization out of Georgetown University, has been tracking abuse
data regarding United States Catholic clergy for several years. CARA issues
annual reports through the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops
(USCCB).

According to CARA, here are the numbers of accusations involving a current
minor that were deemed "credible" each year from 2005 to 2010:

Year / # of accusations

2010 8
2009 6
2008 10
2007 4
2006 14
2005 9


Meanwhile, according to government numbers, in 2010 alone, there were 63,527
reported cases of child sexual abuse in the United States.



4THE STORY THE MEDIA WON'T REPORT: THE EPIDEMIC OF ABUSE AND COVER-UPS GOING
ON TODAY IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS
FACT: The incidence of sexual abuse by teachers in public schools today has
been estimated to be "more than 100 times" that by Catholic priests, and
there is alarming evidence of school officials covering up abuse and failing
to report suspected cases to authorities. Yet the mainstream media has
largely ignored this shocking story while still rehashing decades-old
allegations of abuse by Catholic priests.

[Patrick]

"Mike Painter" <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote ...

> On 3/20/2012 7:57 AM, Patrick wrote:
>> "Mitchell Holman"<nomailcomcast.net> wrote...
>>> Catholic Church now trying to silence victims' support group
>>> March 19, 2012
>> The New York Times reported last week that
>>> attorneys for the church have subpoenaed records from the
>>> Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, known to most
>>> people as SNAP, as part of sex abuse lawsuits in St. Louis
>>> and Kansas City. The subpoenas demand e-mail records and,
>>> in some cases, testimony - even though SNAP isn't directly
>>> involved in the suits.
>>
>> That is because SNAP has deliberately made KNOWN
>> false allegations, and has consistently reported false items
>> in bad faith. It is time for them to come forward (as the Church has)
>> with documentation, hate filled rants, lying e-mails, and deliberate
>> unsupported allegations.
>> Excellent news.

> The RCC knew this had been going on for centuries and did nothing.
> The tobacco industry knew it from the work of Hitler's scientists and did
> nothing.

<yawn>
Then, it is all your fault?

[Patrick]

"Zacharias Mulletstein" < wrote

> I wouldn't want to go on a cruise. Trapped on a boat with a bunch of
> senior citizens? Not my idea of fun.

The Oasis had 6,000 passengers. 2,000 staff.
Seven days where you don't have to pack, unpack, wake
up in a different location..... go to Broadway / Vegas style
shows, don't worry about drinking and driving, take
different excursions, go on a sub, swim with the dolphins,
ride a horse on a beach, go surfing or rock climbing or
playing golf on the ship..... Go on the zip line, do yer Karaoke
thing, listen to live music all day long, tablecloth - linen
service for any meals....21 different eating places, 10
pools, etc....

[Alan Ferris]

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 13:25:22 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
wrote:

>A report states that "surgical removal of
>testicles was regarded as a treatment for homosexuality and also as a
>punishment for those who accused clergy of sexual abuse."
>
>Makes sense to me.

Just showing how sick Barker is. No wonder he is shunned by all
decent Catholics.

--
Ferrit

()'.'.'()
( (T) )
( ) . ( )
(")_(")

[Alan Ferris]

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 17:15:28 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
wrote:

>> According to corrupt perverts like Ratprick, any accusaiton against a
>> priest is false.
>
>Never said that, dork.

But defended every one,

>There have been a few evil fag priests.

Thats it, blame it all on homosexuals whilst denying your own
tendancies.

>Thank God, we are actively searching them out and dismissing them.

So why do you always defend those who are found to hide them.

For those who still care about the sick pervert Barker here are his
real views on it all:

Barker on child abuse:

"+ STOP BLAMING THE CHURCH.
+ The media has deliberately manipulated the scandal. They have
attempted to discredit the Catholic Church without showing the problem
of child abuse in total." - "Pat Barker" <barker...@erinet.com>
Message-ID: <q1vo7vcdde2g8ca98...@4ax.com>

"+ There are so many more things to worry about in this world than a
few victims who were abused by some priest 40 years ago. If that was
the worst that ever happened to them, they should consider themselves
lucky." - "Pat Barker" <barker...@erinet.com>
Message-ID: <7qsg3v06647ibutl3hp82200f3q4nfc...@4ax.com>

-------------------

The Catholic Church in the Netherlands castrated at least 10 boys in
the 1950s to cure them of their homosexuality, or to punish them for

accusing clergy members of sexual abuse. A report states that

"surgical removal of testicles was regarded as a treatment for
homosexuality and also as a punishment for those who accused clergy of
sexual abuse."

Makes sense to me.

-----------------
P Barker 21-Mar-12

"+ Sometimes I wish that Uncle Skippy had been a priest when he was
abusing me. Then I would have had something tangible to blame. I
could yell at the church, the bishops and the priests. I could be
like all you other guys. " - Patrck Barker
Message-ID: <gbi18v43aeidscf09...@4ax.com>

[Alan Ferris]

On Tue, 20 Mar 2012 18:43:16 -0700 (PDT), Paul Duca
<paul....@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Never said that, dork.

>> There have been a few evil fag priests.

>> Thank God, we are actively searching them out and dismissing them.
>

>What else DOES Patrick have to thank for, now that he made it through
>his cruise safely?

What cruise? He could not post because he had to serve time for being
an asshole.

[Alan Ferris]

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 12:43:26 -0500, "Zacharias Mulletstein"
<zachariasm...@isalwaysright.com> wrote:

>
>
>"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in message
>news:9O2dncYE2JAqjffS...@posted.localnet...
>>

>> + Picked out a new car today.
>> + It will be delivered in 2-4 weeks.
>> + Would you like to discuss my next 2 cruises?
>
>I wouldn't want to go on a cruise. Trapped on a boat with a bunch of senior
>citizens? Not my idea of fun.

Especially if that pervert Barker is on there trying to pick up the
young boy waiters.

[Mitchell Holman]

"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in news:hMudndZWc-
8Ej_fSnZ2dn...@posted.localnet:

That tends to happen when the priest PLEADS guilty.



Pedophile priest pleads guilty
April 25, 2011

Catholic priest Alejandro Jose Castillo pleaded guilty
to one count of committing a lewd act on a child. He
will face one year in prison. He made the plea to escape
a possible 20 year prison sentence. I’m happy to see this
conviction. He supporters are vocal, aggressive and abusive.
It’s about time they shut up and pay attention to the victim.

His plea Monday at West Valley Superior Court is part of
a plea agreement with prosecutors that carries a sentence
of a year in county jail and requires that he register as
a sex offender.

Castillo had been charged with eight felony counts of
committing lewd or lascivious acts two years ago with a
12-year-old boy. Prosecutors dropped seven of the charges
as part of the agreement.
http://tinyurl.com/6rw7scq

[Alan Ferris]

On Wed, 21 Mar 2012 14:02:16 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
wrote:

Barker proving once again he has just no idea of what a real holiday
is about.

[Patrick]

Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote

It can't happen when the priest has been dead for 10 years.

> Pedophile priest pleads guilty
> April 25, 2011
> Catholic priest Alejandro Jose Castillo pleaded guilty

Hope he spends life in prison.
We don't need no fags in the priest ministry.

[linuxgal]

default wrote:

> I remember one of the nuns lecturing us about the inquisition and the
> political popes of the middle ages, and how that was "all behind us
> now."

When the clergy talks about behinds these days, beware.

[JohnN]

On Tuesday, March 20, 2012 9:32:56 AM UTC-4, Mitchell Holman wrote:
> Catholic Church now trying to silence victims' support group
> March 19, 2012
>
>

> Ten years after Catholic bishops swore to clean up their
> act after decades of sexual abuse by priests and cover-ups
> by their leaders, the Catholic Church is proving that old
> habits die hard. The New York Times reported last week that

> attorneys for the church have subpoenaed records from the
> Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, known to most
> people as SNAP, as part of sex abuse lawsuits in St. Louis
> and Kansas City. The subpoenas demand e-mail records and,

> in some cases, testimony � even though SNAP isn�t directly
> involved in the suits.
>
> The church demanded 23 years of SNAP�s communication with
> victims, though the victim in the suit is only 19. They�ve
> wasted hundreds of hours of staff time and cost SNAP $50,000.
> Now, SNAP is begging lawyers to work pro bono.
>
> William Donohue, president of the Catholic League for
> Religious and Civil Rights, outlined the strategy to the
> Times: "SNAP is a menace to the Catholic Church," he said.
> "There�s a growing consensus on the part of the bishops
> that they had better ... buy some good lawyers and get
> tough."
>
> The U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops denied turning up
> the heat, but the Missouri strategy is clear: Make victims
> afraid to talk to SNAP and bury them under legal fees � the
> tactic corporations such as tobacco firms use to silence
> smaller opponents: Intimidate, outspend.
>
> For decades, the Catholic hierarchy � behind the backs of
> its innocent clergy and millions of parishioners � used
> intimidation and secrecy to hide accusations that priests
> molested children. Now, it�s using the same tactics to
> silence a group that gives aid and comfort to the priests�
> victims.
>
> SNAP is a support group, a referral center for victims. But
> the church sees SNAP as ringleaders and organizers. They
> want to bust SNAP the way sweatshops busted labor unions.
> http://tinyurl.com/6ug9x8d

At least in the USA the Catholic Church didn't castrate the boys who objected to being raped. that is a blessing, right?

JohnN

[Mike Painter]

The snake inside you continues to show.

But keep it up, you help the atheist cause a lot.

[Mitchell Holman]

"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in news:ApedneC_iez8
__fSnZ2dnU...@posted.localnet:

But if priests rape young girls then that is
OK because they are not "fags", right?





The Forgotten Victims Of Priest Sexual Abuse: Girls
April 16 2010

Pat Wingert and Barbara Kantrowitz tackle the issue in
Newsweek, writing that previous conceptions of priest
sexual abuse "seemed to suggest that this scenario
ignored a whole segment of victims: young girls." In
talking to experts, they found that girls were less
likely to face abuse at the hands of priests - at least
among reported cases, there were four male victims for
every one female - but that it did happen. Girls were
typically younger at the time of the abuse, but they
were also more likely to be their abusers' only victim,
and perpetrators who had just one victim were less
likely to abuse for more than a year.
http://tinyurl.com/yyvsg9p

[Mike Painter]

And the number of priests who have had affairs with adult women is large.
Much of it would legally be rape in most states.

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <r56dnSCLt8Jmk_fS...@posted.localnet>, "Patrick"

<bark...@erinot.com> wrote:

>". R. L. Measures." <r...@somis.org> wrote
>> . Castrating Homosexual boys is nuts.
>
>The Catholic Church in the Netherlands castrated at least 10 boys in the
>1950s to cure them of their homosexuality, or to punish them for accusing
>clergy members of sexual abuse. A report states that "surgical removal of
>testicles was regarded as a treatment for homosexuality and also as a
>punishment for those who accused clergy of sexual abuse."
>
>Makes sense to me.

** As punishment for telling the truth about being buttrammed by a "fag"
priest?

--
Richard L. Measures. AG6K, 805-386-3734, www.somis.org

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <hMudndZWc-8Ej_fS...@posted.localnet>, "Patrick"

** Would you claim you had been buttrammed by a "fag" priest to get $$
from the RCC?

> They have not always provided
>real details, real facts. When any person is accused
>of abusing a child, this is devastating to their life.
>Do you remember Cardinal Bernardin?
>

** yes

>Public hysteria regarding child molestation has changed the rules
>of the criminal justice system. Child physical and sexual abuse
>cases must be defended in an entirely different manner than the
>normal criminal case. In theory the constitutional rights of the
>defendant are still in place, however in reality those rights do
>not apply. The truth is: The accused is presumed to be guilty.

** "Fag" priests do not normally bang altar-boys in view of a witness,

[Patrick]

"Mike Painter" <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:YO-dnUqWPvhuD_fS...@giganews.com...

Hey, don't blame the Catholics on this.
The leading shrinks of the time advised this.
After all, homosexuality was considered a disease.

[Patrick]

". R. L. Measures." <r...@somis.org> wrote in message
news:rL-220312...@10.0.1.3...

Nope.
As a health care technique to solve a mental health disorder,
as prescribed by the leading medical shrinks of the day.

[Patrick]

<default> wrote in message
news:orkjm75ftoous7958...@4ax.com...
> Les Hellawell <les...@here.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>and just when you don't think they could get worse:
>>
>>Dutch Roman Catholic church 'castrated' boys in 1950s
>>"Up to 11 boys were castrated while in the care of the Dutch Roman
>>Catholic church in the 1950s to rid them of homosexuality, a newspaper
>>investigation has said. "
>>
> The total was 10 boys when I looked at it last week... One of the
> things that is getting out is that the castrations were not exactly
> "surgical" in nature. More like a botched job or no anesthesia used.
> One wonders how many corpses will turn up if they look hard enough.
> So far they don't mention any pre-pubescent boys.

They don't mention the names of any boys, except for
the little fag who killed himself in 1956.
<yawn>

[Patrick]

"Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote

>>
>> It can't happen when the priest has been dead for 10 years.
>>
>>> Pedophile priest pleads guilty
>>> April 25, 2011
>>> Catholic priest Alejandro Jose Castillo pleaded guilty

>> Hope he spends life in prison.
>> We don't need no fags in the priest ministry.

> But if priests rape young girls then that is
> OK because they are not "fags", right?
> The Forgotten Victims Of Priest Sexual Abuse: Girls
> April 16 2010

<yawn>
Do you actually seek out Catholic Only related news stories?
What does that make you?
...........
hmmmmm..........
Tell you what, mitch.
Tell me a little about yourself.
Are you a fag? A pedo? How many marriages?
Do you have any kids? What is your education?
What do you do in order to obtain money?
Let everyone here know.
Then we can look up your "category"
and make fun of everyone like you.
Would that seem to be a fair deal?

[Patrick]

"Mike Painter" <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote

> And the number of priests who have had affairs with adult women is large.
> Much of it would legally be rape in most states.

<yawn>
And this doesn't happen in your world?

[Patrick]

". R. L. Measures." <r...@somis.org> wrote in message

news:rL-220312...@10.0.1.3...

And every priest who serves in the ministry
is not a child abuser.

[Mitchell Holman]

"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in news:0vWdnSq4pPk7hPbSnZ2dnUVZ_g-
dn...@posted.localnet:

> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote
>>>
>>> It can't happen when the priest has been dead for 10 years.
>>>
>>>> Pedophile priest pleads guilty
>>>> April 25, 2011
>>>> Catholic priest Alejandro Jose Castillo pleaded guilty
>
>>> Hope he spends life in prison.
>>> We don't need no fags in the priest ministry.
>
>> But if priests rape young girls then that is
>> OK because they are not "fags", right?
>> The Forgotten Victims Of Priest Sexual Abuse: Girls
>> April 16 2010
>
> <yawn>
> Do you actually seek out Catholic Only related news stories?
> What does that make you?

News stories about religion in a religion newsgroup.

Does that strike you as off-topic or something?

If thine eye offends thee...........

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <rd6dnT606sulhfbS...@posted.localnet>, "Patrick"

<bark...@erinot.com> wrote:

>". R. L. Measures." <r...@somis.org> wrote in message
>news:rL-220312...@10.0.1.3...
>> In article <r56dnSCLt8Jmk_fS...@posted.localnet>, "Patrick"
>> <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>>
>>>". R. L. Measures." <r...@somis.org> wrote
>>>> . Castrating Homosexual boys is nuts.
>>>
>>>The Catholic Church in the Netherlands castrated at least 10 boys in the
>>>1950s to cure them of their homosexuality, or to punish them for accusing
>>>clergy members of sexual abuse. A report states that "surgical removal of
>>>testicles was regarded as a treatment for homosexuality and also as a
>>>punishment for those who accused clergy of sexual abuse."
>>>
>>>Makes sense to me.
>>
>> ** As punishment for telling the truth about being buttrammed by a "fag"
>> priest?
>
>Nope.
>As a health care technique to solve a mental health disorder,
>as prescribed by the leading medical shrinks of the day.

** The report talked about punishment.

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <HKOdnb8HzpKLh_bS...@posted.localnet>, "Patrick"

** Why no answer to the question P.B. ?

>>> They have not always provided
>>>real details, real facts. When any person is accused
>>>of abusing a child, this is devastating to their life.
>>>Do you remember Cardinal Bernardin?
>>>
>> ** yes
>>
>>>Public hysteria regarding child molestation has changed the rules
>>>of the criminal justice system. Child physical and sexual abuse
>>>cases must be defended in an entirely different manner than the
>>>normal criminal case. In theory the constitutional rights of the
>>>defendant are still in place, however in reality those rights do
>>>not apply. The truth is: The accused is presumed to be guilty.
>>
>>
>> ** "Fag" priests do not normally bang altar-boys in view of a witness,
>
>And every priest who serves in the ministry
>is not a child abuser.

** The rate was c. 8% in this Archdiocese. Boston was about the same.
The highest rate was only about 18% as I recall. This could have been
largely avoided avoided with a simple sphygmomanometer test in RCC
seminaries.

[WangoTango]

In article <weqdnakimsd0kPfS...@posted.localnet>,
bark...@erinot.com says...
> "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote
>
> > The Catholic Church is soaked in sin. It has no business calling anyone
> > a "sinner". Beyond that, the RCC is soaked in unspeakable crimes
> > against all humanity.
>
> <yawn>

That is the saddest response of all time.
The "Church" has gotten itself into so much trouble that the flock just
doesn't give a shit anymore.

[Alan Ferris]

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:15:27 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
wrote:

Nobody advised the church to physically abuse children. Just as
nobody advised them to cover it up.
However all Catholic teaching says that it is wrong to abuse children.
So why did they do it?
Is it because like you they are just a bunch of cowardly perverts who
use the church as a crutch to make them feel normal?

[Alan Ferris]

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:17:03 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
wrote:

>>>Makes sense to me.
>>
>> ** As punishment for telling the truth about being buttrammed by a "fag"
>> priest?
>
>Nope.
>As a health care technique to solve a mental health disorder,
>as prescribed by the leading medical shrinks of the day.

But Barker cannot quote one eminent medical person recommending the
rape of children to prevent homosexuality, nor can he quote one
recommending the Vatican castrate victims to keep them silent.

But despite this he supports it because he needs victims to stay
silent, he lives in fear of his own children going to the authorities.

[Alan Ferris]

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:18:29 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
wrote:

Want to know more about the sick person who would support church abuse
of children, well a quick google search found this information posted
by himself:

-------------------
From: "Patrick Barker" <barker...@erinet.com>

However, I will play your game if you like:
SSAN: 516-58-6276, 11 Sep 48,3025 Old Heritage Way, Beavercreek OH
45432, 426-8281, Sears, Pennies,
Visa, MC, Furrows, Bryant Lane, live in a house worth $137,500.
Retired, 2 children;

MELANIE BARKER BERKMEN
Husband: Mehmet Berkmen
Son: Kaan Berkmen
Melanie Berkmen
Suffolk University
Department of Chemistry and Biochemistry
41 Temple St.
Boston, MA 02114
http://openwetware.org/wiki/User:Melanie_berkmen
http://openwetware.org/wiki/Berkmen
http://www.cfkeep.org/html/snapshot.php?id=29045795
email: mberk...@suffolk.edu


Melissa and Christopher Kalt
Children: Ashley and Abigail
1645 KEN KLARE DR
Dayton, OH 45432-1911
(937) 426-8536

I have nothing to hide or fear.
----------------------

[Alan Ferris]

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:23:09 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
wrote:

>...........
>hmmmmm..........
>Tell you what, mitch.
>Tell me a little about yourself.
>Are you a fag? A pedo? How many marriages?
>Do you have any kids? What is your education?
>What do you do in order to obtain money?

[default]

On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:59:25 +0000, Alan Ferris
<hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>Want to know more about the sick person who would support church abuse
>of children, well a quick google search found this information posted
>by himself:

I just filter him out, I've heard so many of his sick stupid arguments
reiterated over and over, and the cheesy cut and paste that, likely as
not, supports a point in contradiction of his own beliefs.

1. That's in the past
2. They fixed the problem
3. It is ancient history
4. If it didn't happen in Texas or Montana it is a third world
country
5. If you don't follow the church's teachings you will be sorry
6. I am happy
7. It must suck to be you
8. They are lying
9. It isn't plagiarism because someone else already said it
10. Fag's queers and homos are disgusting and shouldn't be around
decent folk
11. The church fired all the fag priests
12. The boys waited too long to report abuse
13. The priest died and can't defend himself (so it didn't happen)
14. Catholic Bashers will roast in hell
15. I help people
16. Morality is not determined by people

I could keep on; but what's the use?

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <drpmm7pg5bekkc6ec...@4ax.com>, Alan Ferris

<hairy....@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

>On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 08:15:27 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
>wrote:
>
>>"Mike Painter" <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>news:YO-dnUqWPvhuD_fS...@giganews.com...
>>> On 3/21/2012 10:25 AM, Patrick wrote:
>>>> ". R. L. Measures."<r...@somis.org> wrote
>>>>> . Castrating Homosexual boys is nuts.
>>>>
>>>> The Catholic Church in the Netherlands castrated at least 10 boys in the
>>>> 1950s to cure them of their homosexuality, or to punish them for accusing
>>>> clergy members of sexual abuse. A report states that "surgical removal of
>>>> testicles was regarded as a treatment for homosexuality and also as a
>>>> punishment for those who accused clergy of sexual abuse."
>>>>
>>>> Makes sense to me.
>>>>
>>> The snake inside you continues to show.
>>> But keep it up, you help the atheist cause a lot.
>>
>>Hey, don't blame the Catholics on this.
>>The leading shrinks of the time advised this.
>>After all, homosexuality was considered a disease.
>
>Nobody advised the church to physically abuse children. Just as
>nobody advised them to cover it up.
>However all Catholic teaching says that it is wrong to abuse children.
>So why did they do it?

• The supposedly infallible org. was trapped by what happened in 1079CE -
the mistake of adopting the mandatory vow of chastity in a mammon-driven
move to deprive the children of priests of their rightful inheritance.
Congrats to Pete Comestor to see where this flub was headed. .

"The devil never harmed the church so much as when the church herself
adopted the vow of celibacy."
- - Petrus Comestor

>Is it because like you they are just a bunch of cowardly perverts who
>use the church as a crutch to make them feel normal?

• However, as Duke successfully argued, gay altar boys benefitted.

>
>
>--
>Ferrit
>
> ()'.'.'()
> ( (T) )
> ( ) . ( )
> (")_(")

[Patrick]

Yeah, and Mitt will be using an etch-a-sketch to run his activities.

[Patrick]

<default> wrote in message
news:nr0nm7laa3a1bre1e...@4ax.com...

You got the most important ones.
Good for you.

[Patrick]

"WangoTango" <Asga...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.29d51b8cf...@news.east.earthlink.net...

The church doesn't pay attention to whiners and sinners.
You were kicked out, and you are pissed.
We understand.
Sour grapes.

[Patrick]

"Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
news:XnsA01E4E372EF75...@216.196.121.131...

Perhaps you are right.
You are jealous because we won't let you into the club.
Therefore, you find fault with the club.
I gotcha.

[Patrick]

Vut makes you tink we don do this?

[W.T.S.]

In article <V82dnYyDxa2qB_bS...@posted.localnet>,
bark...@erinot.com says...

Perhaps it's time for people to start kicking the Catholic Church out of
their lives. No "Church", no problem.


Abortion and sterilization, they save the lives, health and futures of
women and men alike!
>
http://www.rhrealitycheck.org/print/14481
>
http://www.jennyjerrome.org/
>
http://tinyurl.com/3j3fkch
>
http://www.egalitarian.biz/Plan-B--Remedy-of-a-Lifetime.html
>
http://www.thelizlibrary.org/liz/004.htm
>
Breed like rabbits, live like pigs.
Live like pigs, die like rats!
>
Modern Christian: Someone who can take time out from
complaining about "welfare mothers popping out babies we
have to feed" to complain about welfare mothers getting
abortions that PREVENT more babies to be raised at public
expense.
>
http://www.imnotsorry.net
>
http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17gbnyv0yzhevjpg/original.jpg

[Ray Fischer]

Patrick <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>"WangoTango" <Asga...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:MPG.29d51b8cf...@news.east.earthlink.net...
>> In article <weqdnakimsd0kPfS...@posted.localnet>,
>> bark...@erinot.com says...
>>> "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote
>>>
>>> > The Catholic Church is soaked in sin. It has no business calling
>>> > anyone
>>> > a "sinner". Beyond that, the RCC is soaked in unspeakable crimes
>>> > against all humanity.
>>>
>>> <yawn>
>>
>> That is the saddest response of all time.
>> The "Church" has gotten itself into so much trouble that the flock just
>> doesn't give a shit anymore.
>
>The church doesn't pay attention to whiners and sinners.

Especially when they're only whining about priests molesting
little girls.

--
Ray Fischer | None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.
rfis...@sonic.net | Goethe

[JTEM]

Demented bigot, Alan Ferris <hairy.fer...@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
[-----insane ranting deleted----]

Hey, "Alan.," I just checked this profile of yours
(one of many you employ/employed) and already
you've logged more than 4,100 anti Catholic
screeds.

Go on. Go to Google Groups and check this
particular profile. Then look for some of his
others and find thousands more under each...

Seriously, you are fucked up. You're a demented
anti Catholic bigot and you soil every thread you
post in. What's worse, because you always go
unchallenged by the atheistic "Mainstream," you
paint atheists as sniveling, ignorant bigots.

And, oh; fuck you.

Thanks in advance.

[JTEM]

Mike Painter <md.pain...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> And the number of priests who have had affairs with adult women is large.
> Much of it would legally be rape in most states.

This is just plain bullshit. You're making this stuff
up as you go.

It would be impossible to pursue criminal charges
in all instances except for where the Priest was
acting as a counselor. And this would apply to any
member of the clergy, for any religion. And it
wouldn't be rape.

Religious figures have sex all the time. Priests
aren't supposed to, but most people aren't
Catholic, and their religious leaders do date and
even have sex.

There's nothing wrong with it.

It's a problem WITHIN the Catholic church because
their chosen rules don't allow it. But, outside the
church hierarchy it isn't even an issue. It's not an issue
for you. Yet, here you are anyway....

[Paul Duca]

On Mar 21, 1:32 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> "Paul Duca" <paul.du...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> news:89423c5f-56f7-4bbf...@l7g2000vbw.googlegroups.com...
> On Mar 20, 5:15 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Ray Fischer" <rfisc...@sonic.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:4f68c14e$0$11948$742e...@news.sonic.net...

>
> > > Patrick <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> > >>"Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote...
> > >>> Catholic Church now trying to silence victims' support group
> > >>> March 19, 2012
> > >>The New York Times reported last week that
> > >>> attorneys for the church have subpoenaed records from the
> > >>> Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, known to most
> > >>> people as SNAP, as part of sex abuse lawsuits in St. Louis
> > >>> and Kansas City. The subpoenas demand e-mail records and,
> > >>> in some cases, testimony - even though SNAP isn't directly
> > >>> involved in the suits.
>
> > >>That is because SNAP has deliberately made KNOWN
> > >>false allegations, and has consistently reported false items
>

> > > According to corrupt perverts like Ratprick, any accusaiton against a
> > > priest is false.
>
> > Never said that, dork.
> > There have been a few evil fag priests.
> > Thank God, we are actively searching them out and dismissing them.
>
> What else DOES Patrick have to thank for, now that he made it through
> his cruise safely?
>
> + Picked out a new car today.
> + It will be delivered in 2-4 weeks.
> + Would you like to discuss my next 2 cruises?
> + One in October, and one next April 2013.
> + God is mighty good to me.
> + If you were a decent, loving Christian, God
> would be good to you also.  OH - if you pray,
> think some good thoughts for my bride.  She undergoes
> surgery next week. (Since you are keeping track of my life)

Why? If she dies, the wealth you brag you possess will get you a new
young trophy wife, who will

+Look better next to your new car
+Be more popular on your next cruises
+Prove the foundation of your existence--God only blesses Catholic
Republicans.

Paul

[Ray Fischer]

JTEM <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Mike Painter <md.pain...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> And the number of priests who have had affairs with adult women is large.
>> Much of it would legally be rape in most states.
>
>This is just plain bullshit. You're making this stuff
>up as you go.

97% on the irony meter.

[Paul Duca]

On Mar 22, 5:34 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote in message
>
> news:XnsA01E4E372EF75...@216.196.121.131...
>
>
>

> > "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote in news:0vWdnSq4pPk7hPbSnZ2dnUVZ_g-

> > dn...@posted.localnet:
>
> >> "Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote
>
> >>>> It can't happen when the priest has been dead for 10 years.
>
> >>>>> Pedophile priest pleads guilty
> >>>>> April 25, 2011
> >>>>> Catholic priest Alejandro Jose Castillo pleaded guilty
>
> >>>> Hope he spends life in prison.
> >>>> We don't need no fags in the priest ministry.
>
> >>>   But if priests rape young girls then that is
> >>> OK because they are not "fags", right?
> >>> The Forgotten Victims Of Priest Sexual Abuse: Girls
> >>> April 16 2010
>
> >> <yawn>
> >> Do you actually seek out Catholic Only related news stories?
> >> What does that make you?
> >    News stories about religion in a religion newsgroup.
> >    Does that strike you as off-topic or something?
> >    If thine eye offends thee...........
>
> Perhaps you are right.
> You are jealous because we won't let you into the club.

> The only GOOD thing about the club is bragging about who we don't let in.

[Paul Duca]

On Mar 22, 8:17 am, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> ". R. L. Measures." <r...@somis.org> wrote in messagenews:rL-220312...@10.0.1.3...
>
>
>

> > In article <r56dnSCLt8Jmk_fSnZ2dnUVZ_hudn...@posted.localnet>, "Patrick"

> > <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
>
> >>". R. L. Measures." <r...@somis.org> wrote

> >>> .  Castrating Homosexual boys is nuts.
>
> >>The Catholic Church in the Netherlands castrated at least 10 boys in the
> >>1950s to cure them of their homosexuality, or to punish them for accusing
> >>clergy members of sexual abuse. A report states that "surgical removal of
> >>testicles was regarded as a treatment for homosexuality and also as a
> >>punishment for those who accused clergy of sexual abuse."
>
> >>Makes sense to me.
>
> > **  As punishment for telling the truth about being buttrammed by a "fag"
> > priest?
>
> Nope.
> As a health care technique to solve a mental health disorder,
> as prescribed by the leading medical shrinks of the day.

Why didn't they assume YOU needed it as a little boy?

Paul

[Paul Duca]

On Mar 21, 7:21 pm, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote
>
>
>

> >>>>"Mitchell Holman" <nomailcomcast.net> wrote...
> >>>>> Catholic Church now trying to silence victims' support group
> >>>>> March 19, 2012
> >>>>The New York Times reported last week that
> >>>>> attorneys for the church have subpoenaed records from the
> >>>>> Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, known to most
> >>>>> people as SNAP, as part of sex abuse lawsuits in St. Louis
> >>>>> and Kansas City. The subpoenas demand e-mail records and,
> >>>>> in some cases, testimony - even though SNAP isn't directly
> >>>>> involved in the suits.
>
> >>>>That is because SNAP has deliberately made KNOWN
> >>>>false allegations, and has consistently reported false items

> >>>>in bad faith.  It is time for them to come forward (as the Church has)
> >>>>with documentation, hate filled rants, lying e-mails, and deliberate
> >>>>unsupported allegations.
> >>>>Excellent news.
>
> >>> ** So altar boys were only inadvertently touched like Duke said?
>
> >> Nope, never said that.
> >> SNAP is awfully fast to accuse, but awfully slow

> >> to provide any proof.  They have not always provided

> >> real details, real facts.  When any person is accused
> >> of abusing a child, this is devastating to their life.
> >> Do you remember Cardinal Bernardin?
>

> >> Public hysteria regarding child molestation has changed the rules
> >> of the criminal justice system. Child physical and sexual abuse
> >> cases must be defended in an entirely different manner than the
> >> normal criminal case. In theory the constitutional rights of the
> >> defendant are still in place, however in reality those rights do
> >> not apply. The truth is: The accused is presumed to be guilty.
>

> >    That tends to happen when the priest PLEADS guilty.

>
> It can't happen when the priest has been dead for 10 years.
>
> > Pedophile priest pleads guilty
> > April 25, 2011
> > Catholic priest Alejandro Jose Castillo pleaded guilty
>
> Hope he spends life in prison.
> We don't need no fags in the priest ministry.

At least until the shortage of warm bodies in the pulpits makes the
Church think twice...

Paul

[Paul Duca]

On Mar 22, 8:25 am, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> ". R. L. Measures." <r...@somis.org> wrote in messagenews:rL-220312...@10.0.1.3...
>
>
>
> > In article <hMudndZWc-8Ej_fSnZ2dnUVZ_vidn...@posted.localnet>, "Patrick"

> > <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
>
> >>". R. L. Measures." <r...@somis.org> wrote in message
> >>news:rL-200312...@10.0.1.3...

> >>> In article <4r2dnejnP9d4B_XSnZ2dnUVZ_qmdn...@posted.localnet>, "Patrick"

> is not a child abuser, because none are fags (we THINK).

[Paul Duca]

On Mar 22, 8:15 am, "Patrick" <barker...@erinot.com> wrote:
> "Mike Painter" <md.pain...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> news:YO-dnUqWPvhuD_fS...@giganews.com...

>
> > On 3/21/2012 10:25 AM, Patrick wrote:
> >> ". R. L. Measures."<r...@somis.org>  wrote

> >>> .  Castrating Homosexual boys is nuts.
>
> >> The Catholic Church in the Netherlands castrated at least 10 boys in the
> >> 1950s to cure them of their homosexuality, or to punish them for accusing
> >> clergy members of sexual abuse. A report states that "surgical removal of
> >> testicles was regarded as a treatment for homosexuality and also as a
> >> punishment for those who accused clergy of sexual abuse."
>
> >> Makes sense to me.
>

> > The snake inside you continues to show.
> > But keep it up, you help the atheist cause a lot.
>
> Hey, don't blame the Catholics on this.
> The leading shrinks of the time advised this.

> After all, homosexuality was considered a disease--one of the many wonderful things about "the good old days".

[JTEM]

Shit head, rfisc...@sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote:

> JTEM  <jte...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >This is just plain bullshit. You're making this stuff
> >up as you go.

> 97% on the irony meter.

Wrong. You're posts always pin the scale at 100%.

[Alan Ferris]

He only has one so they felt sorry for him.

[Alan Ferris]

I keep laughing at the thought of barker crammed onto a boat with
thousands like him, must be a living hell. No wonder his poor wife is
going in for an elective lobotomy.

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <9vednZQs3sYlBPbS...@posted.localnet>, "Patrick"

** methinks I smelleth red herring.

[• R. L. Measures.]

In article <G-idna_-h9SaBvbS...@posted.localnet>, "Patrick"

** One of my students was enrolled in a seminary.

[W.T.S.]

In article <KNidnTuGX4d9jvfS...@posted.localnet>,
bark...@erinot.com says...
> "Mike Painter" <md.pa...@sbcglobal.net> wrote ...

> > On 3/20/2012 7:57 AM, Patrick wrote:
> >> "Mitchell Holman"<nomailcomcast.net> wrote...
> >>> Catholic Church now trying to silence victims' support group
> >>> March 19, 2012
> >> The New York Times reported last week that
> >>> attorneys for the church have subpoenaed records from the
> >>> Survivors Network of those Abused by Priests, known to most
> >>> people as SNAP, as part of sex abuse lawsuits in St. Louis
> >>> and Kansas City. The subpoenas demand e-mail records and,
> >>> in some cases, testimony - even though SNAP isn't directly
> >>> involved in the suits.
> >>
> >> That is because SNAP has deliberately made KNOWN
> >> false allegations,

<snip> Snipped at first line of lying bull shit and disinformation, why
repost Patrick's lies and nonsense? </snip>
Do you have anything to defend your child raping "Church" with anything
other than made up lies, disinformation, bull shit and nonsense?
No, you don't! The lie, disinformation, propaganda is the weapon of
choice for the Roman Catholic Church for 2,000 years now. Nothing has
changed, nothing will change.
No matter what the issue, the RCC remains a throw back to the dark ages.
It's long past time to rid ourselves of this monster that has darkened
all of our lives for so long.

[Patrick]

"Paul Duca" <paul....@gmail.com> wrote

> What else DOES Patrick have to thank for, now that he made it through
> his cruise safely?
>
> + Picked out a new car today.
> + It will be delivered in 2-4 weeks.
> + Would you like to discuss my next 2 cruises?
> + One in October, and one next April 2013.
> + God is mighty good to me.
> + If you were a decent, loving Christian, God
> would be good to you also. OH - if you pray,
> think some good thoughts for my bride. She undergoes
> surgery next week. (Since you are keeping track of my life)

-Why? If she dies, the wealth you brag you possess will get you a new
-young trophy wife, who will
-+Look better next to your new car
-+Be more popular on your next cruises
-+Prove the foundation of your existence--God only blesses Catholic
-Republicans.
-----------

Good points, all of them..... except
I don't want a new trophy wife.
I'm perfectly happy with the one I married (for life).

[Patrick]

"JTEM" <jte...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f7f4b4b0-aa99-41ff...@w5g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...

Excellent post.

[Patrick]

"Paul Duca" <paul....@gmail.com> wrote

> > Pedophile priest pleads guilty
> > April 25, 2011
> > Catholic priest Alejandro Jose Castillo pleaded guilty
>
> Hope he spends life in prison.
> We don't need no fags in the priest ministry.

At least until the shortage of warm bodies in the pulpits makes the
Church think twice...

+ Certainly it does.
+ We must be very careful who we select as parish
priests. We expect a lot from them. Once in a while,
some slime (like you) slips into the system and disappoints
us with evil behavior. We all sin. But, we cannot allow
shithead fags like you to lead our church parishes.

[Patrick]

". R. L. Measures." <r...@somis.org> wrote in message

news:rL-230312...@10.0.1.3...

Maybe he failed the sphymo test and was
embarrassed to tell you about it.

[Patrick]

"W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote

> Do you have anything to defend your child raping "Church" with anything
> other than made up lies, disinformation, bull shit and nonsense?

I do not defend you or your actions.

[Patrick]

"W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote

> Perhaps it's time for people to start kicking the Catholic Church out of
> their lives. No "Church", no problem.

That was your plan, eh?
We beat you to the punch when we threw you out.

[Patrick]

"Ray Fischer" <rfis...@sonic.net> wrote in message
news:4f6bf2fa$0$12003$742e...@news.sonic.net...

> Patrick <bark...@erinot.com> wrote:
>>"WangoTango" <Asga...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>news:MPG.29d51b8cf...@news.east.earthlink.net...
>>> In article <weqdnakimsd0kPfS...@posted.localnet>,
>>> bark...@erinot.com says...
>>>> "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote
>>>>
>>>> > The Catholic Church is soaked in sin. It has no business calling
>>>> > anyone
>>>> > a "sinner". Beyond that, the RCC is soaked in unspeakable crimes
>>>> > against all humanity.
>>>>
>>>> <yawn>
>>>
>>> That is the saddest response of all time.
>>> The "Church" has gotten itself into so much trouble that the flock just
>>> doesn't give a shit anymore.
>>
>>The church doesn't pay attention to whiners and sinners.
>
> Especially when they're only whining about priests molesting
> little girls.

Or lying about other allegations that are made up.

[Patrick]

"Attila" <<proc...@here.now> wrote in message
news:7jbom7dgqevgkv1uc...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 22 Mar 2012 17:31:43 -0400, "Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com>
> in alt.abortion with message-id

> <V82dnYyDxa2qB_bS...@posted.localnet> wrote:
>
>>"WangoTango" <Asga...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>>news:MPG.29d51b8cf...@news.east.earthlink.net...
>>> In article <weqdnakimsd0kPfS...@posted.localnet>,
>>> bark...@erinot.com says...
>>>> "W.T.S." <m1...@earthlink.net> wrote
>>>>
>>>> > The Catholic Church is soaked in sin. It has no business calling
>>>> > anyone
>>>> > a "sinner". Beyond that, the RCC is soaked in unspeakable crimes
>>>> > against all humanity.
>>>>
>>>> <yawn>
>>>
>>> That is the saddest response of all time.
>>> The "Church" has gotten itself into so much trouble that the flock just
>>> doesn't give a shit anymore.
>>
>>The church doesn't pay attention to whiners and sinners.

>>You were kicked out, and you are pissed.
>>We understand.
>>Sour grapes.
>
> I wish I had joined. I would love to be kicked out, with certificate,
> ceremony, and everything.

You still have a chance.
We'll leave a light on for you.

[Mitchell Holman]

Paul Duca <paul....@gmail.com> wrote in news:c58bc4d8-6a93-43d9-b7db-
34aa10...@do4g2000vbb.googlegroups.com:

The new Catholic Reality:



The Sudden Decline of the Catholic Church in America
Jul 20, 2011
http://tinyurl.com/6svuxgj



Catholic School Closings Need More Than A Miracle
January 30, 2012
http://tinyurl.com/89rapbz



Mexican Catholicism is on the Wane
April 10 2011
http://tinyurl.com/3mzl5ou



Reeling from sex-abuse scandals, the Roman Catholic
Church is losing members in droves.
APRIL 30, 2010
http://theweek.com/article/index/202388/catholics-in-crisis



Benedict XVI's drive to stop declining church attendance
17 Aug 2011
http://tinyurl.com/42aqzsr



More Catholic schools closing across U.S.
http://tinyurl.com/72rfcuf



44 Catholic Elementary Schools, 4 High Schools Closing
Jan 7, 2012
http://tinyurl.com/7vpx5z2

[Mitchell Holman]

"Patrick" <bark...@erinot.com> wrote in news:Npydnbd3Wq-
p9vHSnZ2dn...@posted.localnet:

At this point who is left to lead your parishes?




Church officials say priest shortage will worsen

(03/08/12) Church officials in Ogdensburg say Roman
Catholic parishes across the North Country will lose
roughly a third of their priests over the next decade.

The Diocese has expanded efforts to recruit new
seminarians willing to serve as priests. But the
rapid decline is forcing big changes in the way
Catholic churches operate.

The priest shortage is nothing new. Here in the North
Country and around the US, bishops have been grappling
for decades with a steady decline in new seminarians
and the rapid aging of the community of priests and nuns.

Bishop Terry LaValley says it’s still not clear when
the Diocese of Ogdensburg will stabilize. "That's very
difficult to say. There are so many variables. Age of
retirements, the deaths, the seminarians. So there are
so many variables, it's very difficult."

The numbers are daunting. A decade ago, there were 92
priests serving a 12,000 square mile area. That’s already
dropped to 62. And over the next decade, it’s expected to
plummet again to around 40.
http://tinyurl.com/7shcjl2