, Mattb <
trdel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>Jesus dies for our sins and a few greedy men added to what Jesus said.
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>>You've been reading robt and mikey again.
>
> I've been reading history again and how it connects to the RCC and
>its control of governments. A time of pure evil. The worst of what
>the RCC did lasted for about 500 years and, is known as the Dark Ages.
>I've added that to the list.
Remarkably, we still utilize that same educational structure (invented
by and institutionalized by the Catholic Church) across the West,
almost a thousand years later. Even if it were the Catholic Church’s
only major contribution, I think that’s worth some serious respect.
matty does not look for anything good about the RCC.
matty thinks the Middle Ages was a period of utter darkness during
which no real learning occurred.
If the school version of this particular history is to be believed,
there was a thousand-year period during which, somehow, no
intellectual progress was made whatsoever. Everyone just sat around on
piles of mud waiting for this millennial blip on the timeline to pass
so we could all get back to learning.
poor matty believes this and preaches this.
The university system, a gift of Western civilization to the world,
was developed by the Catholic Church.”
“The university was an utterly new phenomenon in European history.
Nothing like it had existed in ancient Greece or Rome. The institution
that we recognize today, with its faculties, courses of study,
examinations, and degrees, as well as the distinction between
undergraduate and graduate study, comes to us directly from the
medieval world. The Church developed the university system because,
according to historian Lowrie Dalye, it was ‘the only institution in
Europe that showed consistent interest in the preservation and
cultivation of knowledge.’”
https://www.standleague.org/newsroom/blog/how-the-catholic-church-built-western-civilization.html
“The basic cause of cultural retrogression was not Christianity, but
barbarism; not religion but war. The human inundations [massive influx
of barbarians—more on this below] ruined or impoverished cities,
monasteries, libraries, schools and made impossible the life of the
scholar or the scientist. Perhaps the destruction would have been
worse had not the Church maintained some measure of order in a
crumbling civilization.”
You see, back around 400 AD Germanic barbarians from the North (the
Goths and Visigoths) were attacking—demolishing—Rome, the most
advanced civilization in history at the time. This was decimating
Roman culture.
That culture, which thrived between 8th century AD and 5th century BC,
was incredibly refined for its time.
For example, ancient Rome utilized a system of jurisprudence
(administration of law) which had formed over that period of more than
a thousand years.
The barbarians, however, who were tearing all that down, had a
different idea of justice using methods like trial by ordeal:
“In the barbarians’ view, law was more about simply stopping a fight
and keeping order than establishing justice. Thus, a person accused of
a crime might be subjected to the ordeal by hot water, in which he had
to reach into a pot of scalding water and retrieve a stone at the
bottom. His arm would then be bandaged. Three days later, when the
bandages were removed, the man was pronounced innocent if the wound
had begun to heal and scabs were visible. If not, his guilt was
established.”
This was the invading “culture” that would seek to replace Rome’s.
Imagine being a Roman at that time and going from “I might get a
pretty fair trial based on reason and justice” to “stick your hand in
this boiling water…”
Ouch.
Over the coming centuries, the monks, bishops and even the popes of
the Catholic Church would do much to rescue and preserve whatever
culture they could from the ashes of Rome’s fall.
Nicolas Steno (1638-1686), a Catholic priest who basically founded
the entire subject of geology. His curiosity and study of fossils and
the layers of the earth, or “strata,” uncovered an entirely new
subject. Steno observed the resemblance between the teeth of a
2,800-pound shark some fisherman had just caught (!) and some fossils
that had been dug up around that same time.
Steno was dissecting the shark and began to ask, “why were fossils
found inside of rocks?” Some very unscientific proposals were offered
back then like “spontaneous generation,” but Steno didn’t buy them.
“[Steno] found them scientifically dubious as well as offensive to his
idea of God, who would not act in a manner so random and purposeless.”
The “idea of God” part of this is the most interesting to me because
this science-God connection is a recurring theme for the monks,
bishops and various popes of the Church which serves to explain how
religion and science can not only coexist, but complement each other.
To illustrate this a bit better, though, we have to jump over to the
Catholic influence on architecture, yet another area of advance we can
greatly thank them for, in order to make the link between their
support of science and their faith in God:
“…this desire for geometric precision and numerical meaning, which
contributes significantly to the pleasure that aesthetes [those who
have a special appreciation of art and beauty] derive from these great
edifices [cathedrals which Catholics built, etc.] is no mere
coincidence. It derives from specifically Catholic ideas traceable to
the Church fathers. Saint Augustine, whose De Musica [a six-book
series on musical theory] would become the most aesthetic treatise of
the Middle Ages, considered architecture and music the noblest of the
arts, since their mathematical proportions were those of the universe
itself, and therefore elevated our minds to the divine order.”
I think this is beautiful and it’s a point I may never have considered
had the author not pointed it out: the early Catholic scientists’ or
artists’ recognition of something powerful and yet unknown, like a
higher power, is what drove them. It is this very idea that gave the
Catholics such an intense interest in the sciences and in constructing
a civilization to begin with.
They were building a ladder to God.
There are many other important scientific developments and even
sciences for which we can thank the Catholics. It would be too much to
dive into each one here, but this begins to paint the picture:
“The fact remains, as J. L. Heilbron of the University of
California-Berkeley points out, that the ‘Roman Catholic Church gave
more financial aid and social support to the study of astronomy for
over six centuries, from the recovery of ancient learning during the
Middle Ages into the Enlightenment, than any other, and probably all
other, institutions.’ …the Church’s contributions to science go well
beyond astronomy. Catholic theological ideas provided the basis for
scientific progress in the first place. Medieval thinkers laid down
some of the first principles of modern science. And Catholic priests,
loyal sons of the Church, have consistently displayed such interest
and accomplishment in the sciences, from mathematics to geometry,
optics, biology, astronomy, geology, seismology and a great many other
fields.
“…How much of this is generally known, and how many Western
civilization texts even mention it? To ask these questions is to
answer them. Yet thanks to the excellent work by recent historians of
science, who have been more and more willing to grant the Church her
due, no serious scholar shall ever again be able to repeat the tired
mythology about the alleged antagonism between religion and science.”
Having read all about it myself in Woods’ book, I couldn’t agree more.
So very many aspects of our civilized, modern lives today can be
traced back in some way to the Catholics’ beliefs and their desire to
reach God through science and knowledge.
Largely thanks to their dedication over the last 1,500 years, we now
experience a quality of life never available before in human history.
Book
This contribution of the Catholics has special meaning to me, since
Scientology is the result of one man’s discoveries in relating modern
science with spirituality. Thanks to that combo, I have a
deeper-than-ever understanding of myself and, consequently, an amazing
life.
I’m quite sure this could not have happened without the Catholic
Church’s commitment to their faith and desire to reach God through
science and art and the nearly untraceable number of side benefits
that have followed as a direct result and which influence us all.
Simply reading about all this in Woods’ excellent book has had an
effect on me personally, too. I’m no slouch, but to read about
characters like Steno, one could see these monks, saints and bishops,
et al, were incredibly industrious (and without today’s comforts, by
the way) as they strived, through their work, to understand the
infinite through God.
By witnessing the example they set, it has made me want to reach for
even higher ground in my own endeavors. I think we can all use a
little more of that in our lives: something bigger than ourselves—that
higher purpose—to strive towards.
It sounds like a lot to get from a single history book, and indeed it
was. But isn’t that how knowledge works? We learn something we didn’t
know before and then the subject—those people, groups, places and
events—get a little closer to us and may even become a part of our
lives in some way.
In short, we become less divided.
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You may thank me later, matty.
I know you are in awe of this material, and it will take you a while
to digest it.