How to Distinguish Between True Prophets From False Prophets
Aaron Kim
The following passages describe false prophets a Oral Roberts, Jimmy
Swaggert, Billy Graham,etc. perfectly:
Paul wrote to the church in Galatia:
6 I marvel that ye are so soon removed from him that called you into the
grace of Christ unto another gospel:
7 Which is not another; but there be some that trouble you, and would
pervert the gospel of Christ.
8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any bother gospel unto you
than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.
Galatians 1
1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall
depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of
devils (Darwinism);
2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot
iron;
1 Timothy 4
3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after
their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;
4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned
unto fables.
2 Timothy 4
In an email exchange a Mormon talk show host in SLC actually made this
outrageous statement in an email exchange with us:
Van Hale 7/26:
They( Joseph Smith and Brigham Young) were both strong advocates of
progressive revelation, that much of what they believed would be added to or
overturned by future revelation. Art is the exact opposite of JS on many
important points. One must either choose JS or Art on some of the most
salient points. But, someone who is brainwashed would not see that.
He actually said one revelation by one Prophet can be "overturned" by
another revelation in the future.
Joseph Smith wrote:
As a matter of fact, the Prophet Joseph Smith warned members that the devil
could be detected "by his contradicting a former revelation" from the Lord.
(T.P.J.S., p. 215)
Here's one prominent example of a so called servant of God preaching false
doctrine. If you've like millions of others have watched Billy Graham's
Crusades where he preaches to a packed audience at sports stadiums you know
at the end of his "sermons" he says if you want to be saved come down around
the platform he's standing and raise your hand and say "I accept Jesus
Christ" as my Savior. Now you're saved he says. Maybe Billy Graham means
well but his false doctrines and wresting the scriptures for his own
purposes, his priestcraft must be exposed. Jesus said in the scriptures ,He
who believeth and is baptized shall be saved and He who doesn't shall be
damned. He said to be saved you have to be born again of the Spirit and
water. Yet here Billy Graham drones on that if you take a verbal oath that
you accept Jesus as your Savior , you're saved!
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26 Even so, come unto me and learn of my ways, and I will give unto you,
even as many as shall come, that peace which surpasseth understanding, and
if ye shall inquire of me concerning these things, will I the Lord manifest
by the influence and power of the Holy Ghost that these things are verily
true and are of me, saith the Lord.
Revelations of Jesus Christ sec. 6:26
Aaron Kim
<~=(Hey, WhaddyaKnow;JesusSaysI'mAWhosoeverToo!)=~>
> The following passages describe false prophets a Oral Roberts, Jimmy
> Swaggert, Billy Graham,etc. perfectly:
Give proof that *any* of the above men have *ever* referred to
themselves as "prophets" of God. *Then* you can judge them as
prophets, true or false - according to Scripture. Until you have done
so, you are bearing false witness and lying about their alleged gifts
of prophecy.
(Do you know what Jesus said about false prophets and those who preach
another Gospel?)
> Joseph Smith wrote:
Now - Joseph Smith...we know he referred to himself as a prophet.
Let's see how this self-proclaimed prophet weighs in the balance.
Will he come out wanting?
Take for instance a supposed "prophecy" from the
D&C. Joseph Smith proclaimed that a civil war would break out between
the Northern and Southern states. Okay, we know that much did
happen. Do you realize that while making that prediction that he also
claimed to have a revelation that the same war would be "poured out
upon all nations"? If you know American history, you know that never
happened. Furthermore, six months *prior* to this so-called
"prophecy", President Andrew Jackson was already expecting hostilities
to break out over South Carolina's rejection of a tariff act by
Congress - this much was, of course, reported in all of the newspapers
of the time (papers that Joseph Smith likely read). Moreover,
President Jackson was so concerned about the advent of war that he the
U.S. Army on alert.
So much for Joseph's "prophecy" about the coming Civil War.
Did you know that according to the Bible, true prophets of God are
right - 100% of the time? According to the Bible, a true prophet does
not lie and their predictions will be fulfilled. Look at Jeremiah
28:9, "But the prophet who prophesies peace will be recognized as one
truly sent by the LORD only if his prediction comes true." A true
prophet prophesies in the name of the Lord, not in his or her own name
and is inspired by the Holy Spirit. Look at 2 Pet. 1:21, "For
prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from
God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." A true prophet
does not give their own private interpretation of prophecy. Look at 2
Pet. 1:20, "Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of
Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation." A true
prophet edifies the church, counsels and advises it in religious
matters. Look at 1 Cor. 14:3, 4, "But everyone who prophesies speaks
to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort. He who
speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the
church." A true prophet's words will be in absolute harmony with the
words of the prophets that have preceded him or her. Look at Isaiah
8:20, "To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according
to this word, they have no light of dawn."
Let's look at the following, considered to be prophecy by those who
follow the teachings of Joseph Smith:
Doctrine and Covenants 84:1-5, 31: This "prophecy", given Sept. 1832,
says a temple would be built on the temple lot in Jackson County,
Missouri "in this generation." A century and a half has passed and yet
no temple has been built in Jackson County, Missouri.
Doctrine and Covenants 97:19: This "prophecy" says that "Zion cannot
fall, neither be moved out of her place...." But, Zion *was* moved
from Jackson County, Missouri to Salt Lake City by Brigham Young.
Furthermore, D&C 101:17-21 says "...there is none other place
appointed than that which I have appointed;..." If the previous is
true, then Salt Lake City cannot be Zion, can it?
Doctrine and Covenants 114:1: This "prophecy", given in 1838 by Joseph
Smith, says that David W. Patten (one of the twelve apostles), was to
perform a mission in the Spring of 1839. If you read The History of
the Church, Vol. 3, Page 175, you'll see that David W. Patten died in
October of 1838.
Hmmm...
Doctrine and Covenants 117:12: This "prophecy" says that the name of
Oliver Granger would be held "in sacred remembrance from generation to
generation, forever and ever, saith the Lord." So, tell us, Aaron -
who *is* Oliver Granger and exactly why have most Mormons never heard
of him?
Journal of Discourses, Vol. 5, page 219: Heber C. Kimball said on
September 6, 1856, that, "The Church and kingdom to which we belong
will become the kingdom of our God and his Christ, and brother Brigham
Young will become President of the United States... and I am Vice-
President, and brother Wells is the Secretary of the Interior -- yes,
and of all the armies in the flesh... You may think I am joking; but I
am perfectly willing that brother Long should write every word of it;
for I can see it just as naturally as I can see the earth and the
productions thereof."
Yeah, riiiiight.
Now, this one is my personal favorite...
History of the Church, Vol. 2, page 182: Joseph Smith said in 1835,
"...it was the will of God that those who went to Zion, with a
determination to lay down their lives, if necessary, should be
ordained to the ministry, and go forth to prune the vineyard for the
last time, or the coming of the Lord, which was nigh -- even fifty-six
years should wind up the scene."
Did Jesus return in 1891 and we all missed it?
Consider the above carefully, Aaron. The Bible does not lie. Joseph
Smith did lie - and what I wrote above proves it. You can't make
Joseph Smith (or Art Bulla) a prophet just because you *want* him to
be. A prophet has to pass the test for prophets that God set forth in
the Bible verses
above. Unfortunately, Joseph Smith failed that test then, and he
still fails it today.
> Here's one prominent example of a so called servant of God preaching false
> doctrine.
Billy Graham is more of a servant of God than Art Bulla could ever
hope to be (as long as he sticks with the false doctrine and theology
he's currently teaching).
> If you've like millions of others have watched Billy Graham's
> Crusades where he preaches to a packed audience at sports stadiums you know
> at the end of his "sermons" he says if you want to be saved come down around
> the platform he's standing and raise your hand and say "I accept Jesus
> Christ" as my Savior. Now you're saved he says. Maybe Billy Graham means
> well but his false doctrines and wresting the scriptures for his own
> purposes, his priestcraft must be exposed. Jesus said in the scriptures , He
> who believeth and is baptized shall be saved and He who doesn't shall be
> damned. He said to be saved you have to be born again of the Spirit and
> water. Yet here Billy Graham drones on that if you take a verbal oath that
> you accept Jesus as your Savior , you're saved!
Show some Bible Scripture to prove your point, Aaron. None of the
above works magically, just because you proclaim it all to be so. Use
some decent references to back up your words. If you don't or can't,
then it's all just *your* opinion.
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki
WhaddyaKnow;JesusSaysI'mAWhosoeverToo!)=~>" <kaseybec...@gmail.com>
wrote:
Moslems say there is only one Prophet; they don't take kindly to
un-believers. A plague on both your houses, you ultimate Humanists.
The Nolalu Barn Owl
> Moslems say there is only one Prophet
No they don't and neither does the Koran.
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki
Barn Owls are great; you are not.
duke
Why not listen to Jesus in the 4 Gospels. He is Lord.
duke, American-American
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Ralph
"duke" <duckg...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 28 Sep 2007 08:10:44 -0700, "Aaron Kim" <aa...@artbulla.com>
> wrote:
>
> Why not listen to Jesus in the 4 Gospels. He is Lord.
Because he doesn't say the same thing in the four gospels :-))).
duke
>> Why not listen to Jesus in the 4 Gospels. He is Lord.
>Because he doesn't say the same thing in the four gospels :-))).
Not everybody experienced him in the same way.
The Nolalu Barn Owl
Be it as it may. The Koran identifies many prophets, not just one.
jamesandr...@googlemail.com
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> This show is dedicated to the redemption of Zion, revelations of Jesus
> Christ, authority, Priesthood, Kingdom of God, doctrine discussed pertaining
> to the salvation of Ephraim and Manasseh. During non broadcast hours you can
> also listen to archived shows.
>
> My Testimony of a Living Prophet:http://www.artbulla.com/zion/Aaron's%20Page.html
>
> 26 Even so, come unto me and learn of my ways, and I will give unto you,
> even as many as shall come, that peace which surpasseth understanding, and
> if ye shall inquire of me concerning these things, will I the Lord manifest
> by the influence and power of the Holy Ghost that these things are verily
> true and are of me, saith the Lord.
>
> Revelations of Jesus Christ sec. 6:26
>
> Aaron Kim
>
> www.artbulla.com
Just some thoughts... You mentioned Galatians 1 as describing false
prophets perfectly. A false prophet, says Paul, is anyone who does
not preach the gospel he preached. He called it a "different
gospel" (1:6). What is the gospel Paul preached? He gives the answer
in Gal 2: It is not a gospel of works, of anything done being
necessary for salvation, it is only by faith in the Lord Jesus
Christ. If you put your faith in the Lord Jesus Christ, you are
justified because of His work on the cross. Justification, right
standing before God, salvation, cannot be found by outward works, but
only through faith in Christ: "I do not nullify the grace of God, for
if justification were through the law, then Christ died for no
purpose." Paul's whole argument in Galatians therefore, is that
anyone who teaches that anything else is necessary for salvation,
other than justification by grace through faith in the Lord Jesus
Christ is necessary for salvation is a false teacher. The full
revelation for salvation was clear in the time of Paul and therefore,
anyone who said then, or says today, that other things are necessary
for salvation is a false prophet. Look at this outline of Galatians
and you will see Paul's argument clearly laid out:
1.1Background (1:1-2:14)
i.The Galatian error
a) Judaisers
b) Salvation by grace and works
ii.Paul's defence of his apostleship
a)Commissioned by Christ
b)Given the gospel by Christ
1.2Justification by Faith (2:15-4:31)
i.The difference between grace and works
ii.How justification is received apart from works
iii.The example of Abraham who was saved apart from works
iv.The allegorical interpretation of Hagar and Sarah
1.3Christian Liberty (5:1-15)
i.The bondage of the law
ii.The danger of falling back into bondage
iii.The Christian's attitude to the law
1.4The Way to Live: The Law of Christ (5:16-6:6)
i.How to fight sin
ii.The right and wrong way of living
1.5Closing Exhortations (6:7-18)
i.Reaping what you sow
ii.Boasting only in the cross
iii.Closing benediction of grace
So, salvation, as Paul understood it, was through faith alone in the
Lord Jesus Christ. When one has faith, something takes place in the
heart. The evidence of a true change in the heart is seen in outward
good works, but these are not done in order to earn salvation.
So, the test, according to Paul, whom you and others have quoted, is
whether a "prophet" is teaching whether one is saved through
"justification by faith" (Gal 2:15-16) or not.
Aaron Kim
"<~=(Hey, WhaddyaKnow;JesusSaysI'mAWhosoeverToo!)=~>"
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> On Sep 28, 8:10 am, "Aaron Kim" <aa...@artbulla.com> wrote:
>
>> The following passages describe false prophets a Oral Roberts, Jimmy
>> Swaggert, Billy Graham,etc. perfectly:
>
> Give proof that *any* of the above men have *ever* referred to
> themselves as "prophets" of God. *Then* you can judge them as
> prophets, true or false - according to Scripture. Until you have done
> so, you are bearing false witness and lying about their alleged gifts
> of prophecy.
The literal definition of a prophet is one who has a testimony of Christ.
Now surely these men like Billy Graham who goes around preaching in front of
packed audiences to accept Jesus as the Savior must have had a testimony by
the Holy Ghost.
> (Do you know what Jesus said about false prophets and those who preach
> another Gospel?)
>
>> Joseph Smith wrote:
>
> Now - Joseph Smith...we know he referred to himself as a prophet.
> Let's see how this self-proclaimed prophet weighs in the balance.
> Will he come out wanting?
>
> Take for instance a supposed "prophecy" from the
> D&C. Joseph Smith proclaimed that a civil war would break out between
> the Northern and Southern states. Okay, we know that much did
> happen. Do you realize that while making that prediction that he also
> claimed to have a revelation that the same war would be "poured out
> upon all nations"? If you know American history, you know that never
> happened. Furthermore, six months *prior* to this so-called
> "prophecy", President Andrew Jackson was already expecting hostilities
> to break out over South Carolina's rejection of a tariff act by
> Congress - this much was, of course, reported in all of the newspapers
> of the time (papers that Joseph Smith likely read). Moreover,
> President Jackson was so concerned about the advent of war that he the
> U.S. Army on alert.
>
> So much for Joseph's "prophecy" about the coming Civil War.
Here is what the revelation said (from Doctrines and Covenants):
(Revelation and prophecy on war, given through Joseph Smith the Prophet,
December 25, 1832. HC 1: 301-302. This section was received at a time when
the brethren were reflecting and reasoning upon African slavery on the
American continent and the slavery of the children of men throughout the
world.)
3 For behold, the Southern States shall be divided against the Northern
States, and the Southern States will call on other nations, even the nation
of Great Britain, as it is called, and they shall also call upon other
nations, in order to defend themselves against other nations; and then war
shall be poured out upon all nations
D&C 87:3
If you read above, it didn't say as you falsely interpret that the "same war
would be 'poured out upon all nations'". It's talking about other wars that
would happen after the Civil War between the North and South which did
happen in World War 1 and WW2. The Civil War was the beginning of modern
warfare. Man's kind is not God's time. God does not work upon the stakes you
set up. For the Lord says my ways are not your ways.
> Did you know that according to the Bible, true prophets of God are
> right - 100% of the time? According to the Bible, a true prophet does
> not lie and their predictions will be fulfilled. Look at Jeremiah
> 28:9, "But the prophet who prophesies peace will be recognized as one
> truly sent by the LORD only if his prediction comes true." A true
> prophet prophesies in the name of the Lord, not in his or her own name
> and is inspired by the Holy Spirit.
Prophesies are conditional, do you understand? For example, when Jonah
prophesized to the Assyrians destruction, they repented and the Lord did not
go through with His punishment.
3 So Jonah arose, and went unto Nineveh, according to the word of the
LORD. Now Nineveh was an exceeding great city of three days' journey.
4 And Jonah began to enter into the city a day's journey, and he cried,
and said, Yet forty days, and Nineveh shall be overthrown.
5 So the people of Nineveh believed God, and proclaimed a fast, and put on
sackcloth, from the greatest of them even to the least of them.
6 For word came unto the king of Nineveh, and he arose from his throne,
and he laid his robe from him, and covered him with sackcloth, and sat in
ashes.
7 And he caused it to be proclaimed and published through Nineveh by the
decree of the king and his nobles, saying, Let neither man nor beast, herd
nor flock, taste any thing: let them not feed, nor drink water:
8 But let man and beast be covered with sackcloth, and cry mightily unto
God: yea, let them turn every one from his evil way, and from the violence
that is in their hands.
9 Who can tell if God will turn and repent, and turn away from his fierce
anger, that we perish not?
10 And God saw their works, that they turned from their evil way; and God
repented of the evil, that he had said that he would do unto them; and he
did it not.
Jonah 3:3-10
Look at 2 Pet. 1:21, "For
> prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from
> God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit." A true prophet
> does not give their own private interpretation of prophecy. Look at 2
> Pet. 1:20, "Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of
> Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation." A true
> prophet edifies the church, counsels and advises it in religious
> matters. Look at 1 Cor. 14:3, 4, "But everyone who prophesies speaks
> to men for their strengthening, encouragement and comfort. He who
> speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the
> church." A true prophet's words will be in absolute harmony with the
> words of the prophets that have preceded him or her. Look at Isaiah
> 8:20, "To the law and to the testimony! If they do not speak according
> to this word, they have no light of dawn."
>
> Let's look at the following, considered to be prophecy by those who
> follow the teachings of Joseph Smith:
>
> Doctrine and Covenants 84:1-5, 31: This "prophecy", given Sept. 1832,
> says a temple would be built on the temple lot in Jackson County,
> Missouri "in this generation." A century and a half has passed and yet
> no temple has been built in Jackson County, Missouri.
Brigham Young laid the cornerstone for it.
49 Verily, verily, I say unto you, that when I give a commandment to any of
the sons of men to do a work unto my name, and those sons of men go with all
their might and with all they have to perform that work, and cease not their
diligence, and their enemies come upon them and hinder them from performing
that work, behold, it behooveth me to require that work no more at the hands
of those sons of men, but to accept of their offerings.
D&C 124:49
>
> Doctrine and Covenants 97:19: This "prophecy" says that "Zion cannot
> fall, neither be moved out of her place...." But, Zion *was* moved
> from Jackson County, Missouri to Salt Lake City by Brigham Young.
The center stake was always at Independence, Missouri.
> Furthermore, D&C 101:17-21 says "...there is none other place
> appointed than that which I have appointed;..." If the previous is
> true, then Salt Lake City cannot be Zion, can it?
Brigham Young said that the Mormons would one day move back to Independence,
Missouri.The Mormons have to repent of their apostasy and accept the One
Mighty and Strong from D&C 85:7
7 And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and
strong, holding the scepter of power in his hand, clothed with light for a
covering, whose mouth shall utter words, eternal words; while his bowels
shall be a fountain of truth, to set in order the house of God, and to
arrange by blot the inheritances of the saints whose names are found, and
the names of their fathers, and of their children, enrolled in the book of
the law of God;
D&C 85:7
In addition, Bruce McConkie said that it is Mormon doctrine to move back to
Independence, Missouri
(Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 2d ed., p.532-533)
"In addition to the rebuilding of the Jerusalem of old, the latter-days are
to see the initial building of a New Jerusalem on the American continent, a
city which like its ancient counterpart will be a holy city, a Zion, a city
of God. (3 Ne. 20:22.) This New Jerusalem is to be built by The Church of
Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints; Jackson County, Missouri, is the spot
designated by revelation for its construction. (D. & C. 28; 42:8-9, 30-42;
45:66-67; 52:2, 42-43; 57:1-5; 58:7, 44-58; 84:2-5.) It shall be built when
the Lord directs. (Doctrines of Salvation, vol. 3, pp. 66-79; D. & C.
124:49-54.)
"This New Jerusalem on the American continent will have a dual origin. It
will be built by the saints on earth and it will also come down from heaven,
and the cities so originating will be united into one holy city. Moroni
recorded that America "was the place of the New Jerusalem, which should come
down out of heaven, and the holy sanctuary of the Lord. Behold, Ether saw
the days of Christ, and he spake concerning a New Jerusalem upon this land.
And he spake also concerning the house of Israel, and the Jerusalem from
whence Lehi should come - after it should be destroyed it should be built up
again, a holy city unto the Lord; wherefore, it could not be a new Jerusalem
for it had been in a time of old; but it should be built up again, and
become a holy city of the Lord; and it should be built unto the house of
Israel. And that a New Jerusalem should be built up upon this land, unto the
remnant of the seed of Joseph.
"The remnant of the house of Joseph shall be built upon this land; and it
shall be a land of their inheritance; and they shall build up a holy city
unto the Lord, like unto the Jerusalem of old; and they shall no more be
confounded, until the end come when the earth shall pass away. And there
shall be a new heaven and a new earth; and they shall be like unto the old
save the old have passed away, and all things have become new.
"And then cometh the New Jerusalem; and blessed are they who dwell therein,
for it is they whose garments are white through the blood of the Lamb; and
they are they who are numbered among the remnant of the seed of Joseph, who
were of the house of Israel. And then also cometh the Jerusalem of old; and
the inhabitants thereof, blessed are they, for they have been washed in the
blood of the Lamb; and they are they who were scattered and gathered in from
the four quarters of the earth, and from the north countries, and are
partakers of the fulfilling of the covenant which God made with their
father, Abraham." (Ether 13:3-11.)
Enoch saw the latter-day restoration of the gospel and the subsequent
building of the New Jerusalem. "Righteousness and truth will I cause to
sweep the earth as with a flood, to gather out mine elect from the four
quarters of the earth, unto a place which I shall prepare," the Lord told
him, "an Holy City, that my people may gird up their loins, and be looking
forth for the time of my coming; for there shall be my tabernacle, and it
shall be called Zion, a New Jerusalem. And the Lord said unto Enoch: Then
shalt thou and all thy city meet them there, and we will receive them into
our bosom, and they shall see us; and we will fall upon their necks, and
they shall fall upon our necks, and we will kiss each other." (Moses
7:60-63.) Thus it is that the New Jerusalem shall be built by the saints and
shall also come down from heaven.
"Events to transpire after the millennial era and before the earth becomes a
celestial sphere have not been revealed. We do have an account, however, of
"the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God" a second time, that
is, after the earth has become a celestial planet. John refers to this
celestial city in Revelation 3:12 and then gives a somewhat detailed
description of it in the 21st chapter of the same book.
Having in mind these glorious truths relative to the millennial New
Jerusalem and the celestial city of the same name, knowing that Enoch's Zion
had been taken to heaven and would return again, the ancient prophets
"looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God,"
confessing the while "that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth."
And God "hath prepared for them a city" (Heb. 11:9-16), that is, he has
prepared it for those who gain salvation, for such "come unto mount Sion,
and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem." (Heb. 12:22.)
The significance of Independece, Missouri which makes it the location of
Zion is that it was the site of the last discourse of Adam to His posterity.
> Doctrine and Covenants 114:1: This "prophecy", given in 1838 by Joseph
> Smith, says that David W. Patten (one of the twelve apostles), was to
> perform a mission in the Spring of 1839. If you read The History of
> the Church, Vol. 3, Page 175, you'll see that David W. Patten died in
> October of 1838.
1 Verily thus saith the Lord: It is wisdom in my servant David W. Patten,
that he settle up all his business as soon as he possibly can, and make a
disposition of his merchandise, that he may perform a mission unto me next
spring, in company with others, even twelve including himself, to testify of
my name and bear glad tidings unto all the world.
D&C 1
The Lord wanted Him to go on a mission but not that He would. Circumstances
change. Because of a mob of Gentiles killed him. Jesus came to gather the
Jews but they killed Him too.
49 Verily, verily, I say unto you, that when I give a commandment to any of
the sons of men to do a work unto my name, and those sons of men go with all
their might and with all they have to perform that work, and cease not their
diligence, and their enemies come upon them and hinder them from performing
that work, behold, it behooveth me to require that work no more at the hands
of those sons of men, but to accept of their offerings.
D&C 124:49
> Hmmm...
>
> Doctrine and Covenants 117:12: This "prophecy" says that the name of
> Oliver Granger would be held "in sacred remembrance from generation to
> generation, forever and ever, saith the Lord." So, tell us, Aaron -
> who *is* Oliver Granger and exactly why have most Mormons never heard
> of him?
12,000,000 Mormons who have read Doctrine and Covenants know him as you do
now and do now. Jesus said the woman in Matthew 26:7 who poured the ointment
on His head would be remembered wherever the Gospel is preached.
> Journal of Discourses, Vol. 5, page 219: Heber C. Kimball said on
> September 6, 1856, that, "The Church and kingdom to which we belong
> will become the kingdom of our God and his Christ, and brother Brigham
> Young will become President of the United States... and I am Vice-
> President, and brother Wells is the Secretary of the Interior -- yes,
> and of all the armies in the flesh... You may think I am joking; but I
> am perfectly willing that brother Long should write every word of it;
> for I can see it just as naturally as I can see the earth and the
> productions thereof."
Prophecies are conditional.
> Yeah, riiiiight.
>
> Now, this one is my personal favorite...
You are an anti-Mormon and anti-Christ.
> History of the Church, Vol. 2, page 182: Joseph Smith said in 1835,
> "...it was the will of God that those who went to Zion, with a
> determination to lay down their lives, if necessary, should be
> ordained to the ministry, and go forth to prune the vineyard for the
> last time, or the coming of the Lord, which was nigh -- even fifty-six
> years should wind up the scene."
That was Joseph Smith giving his opinion in his confidence. Prophets are
only prophets when acting as such as Joseph said.
> Did Jesus return in 1891 and we all missed it?
>
> Consider the above carefully, Aaron. The Bible does not lie. Joseph
> Smith did lie - and what I wrote above proves it. You can't make
> Joseph Smith (or Art Bulla) a prophet just because you *want* him to
> be. A prophet has to pass the test for prophets that God set forth in
> the Bible verses
> above. Unfortunately, Joseph Smith failed that test then, and he
> still fails it today.
>
>> Here's one prominent example of a so called servant of God preaching
>> false
>> doctrine.
>
> Billy Graham is more of a servant of God than Art Bulla could ever
> hope to be (as long as he sticks with the false doctrine and theology
> he's currently teaching).
Billy Graham contradicts Acts 2:38 when he neglects to say that baptism is
necessary to be saved. You never hear him talk about receiving the Gift of
the Holy Spirit. Art's an Apostle, Billy is an Impostor. Presbyterian,
Baptist, are the harlots spoke of by John from their Catholic mother. You're
deceived by the devil. Your fathers murdered the Prophets.
4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with
gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand afull
of abominations and bfilthiness of her fornication:
5 And upon her forehead was a name written, aMYSTERY, bBABYLON THE GREAT,
THE cMOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Revelation 17:4-5
Pastor Dave
<aa...@artbulla.com> wrote:
>The literal definition of a prophet is one who has
>a testimony of Christ.
Actually, that isn't correct. Just FYI...
From the Hebrew: Nabiy (naw-bee') - Inspired man.
From the Greek: Prophetes (prof-ay'-tace) - a foreteller;
by analogy, an inspired speaker.
Biblically, a prophet was typically someone who foretold
events to come, by the inspiration of God, or one who
gave warnings of what would come, if the people did not
repent from what they were doing.
What you've done with the example of Billy Graham,
is to try to claim that a prophet is anyone who has a
testimony of Christ. That would make every Christian
a prophet. Yet the Bible makes a difference between
different gifts, with prophecy having been one of them
and shows that not all people had the same gifts
(1 Corinthians 12:27-30; Ephesians 4:11-13).
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<~=(A Whosoever Too)=~>
You and I agree on little in the groups, Dave, but on this I stand
with you.
To Aaron's detriment, his spiritual beliefs and limited understanding
of the Bible come from a man, rather than the Holy Spirit of God.
This young man has, sadly, become another victim of a cult-leader and
will not hear the Truth until he has ears to hear.
Hopefully, it will be sooner than the proverbial and often-too-late
"later".
Pastor Dave
Well, it says what it says. :)
>To Aaron's detriment, his spiritual beliefs and limited
>understanding of the Bible come from a man, rather
>than the Holy Spirit of God. This young man has,
>sadly, become another victim of a cult-leader and
>will not hear the Truth until he has ears to hear.
>
>Hopefully, it will be sooner than the proverbial
>and often-too-late "later".
While I believe in the leading of the Holy Spirit,
I'm not much one for people claiming that,
"the Holy Spirit gave me my understanding".
The fact is, most people disagree and they
all say that "the Holy Spirit told me" and
most of the time, they're wrong about what
they're saying. What runs the churches today,
unfortunately, is pride, not "the Holy Spirit".
I'm not saying I'm someone special. It took me
over 20 years to figure a lot of stuff out. But
one thing I never did claim was, "the Holy Spirit
told me". I do believe that I have been lead by
the Holy Spirit on various occasions, but the
fact is, He is not present in the way He was
at the time the Apostles lived, nor should He be.
Read your Bible and you will see that He was
present with greatness, surrounding great events.
And the mistake that 99.9% of Christians make,
is reading the Bible as if it's all about them today,
when they wouldn't do that with any other set of
ancient documents. The fact is, while we can all
learn from them, a lot of what they say applies
to that time, meaning things they said were
current in their time. So it is no surprise,
when so many people are off target, when they
open a Bible and pretend it was written just
the day before they opened it.
But thank you for your amen. :)