Requirements for Ministers of the UPC....
Timmer
http://upci.net/licensing.htm
Interesting that there are Trinitarian Authors listed
Local licensing is the first step in the process of licensing. All local
license holders are entitled to...
1.. A subscription to the Pentecostal Herald
2.. A subscription to the Forward Magazine
3.. Life insurance package
4.. Perform funeral ceremonies
Each applicant must read the following:
1.. The Bible
2.. One book from each of the categories listed below
3.. Ministerial Manual of the United Pentecostal Church
4.. Meet the United Pentecostal Church International (1567220568) $5.99
5.. Any additional material required by the District Board
These items may be ordered at our secure Pentecostal Online Services.
Categories Order # Price Author(s)
I. The Bible
A. The Bible
II. New Birth
A. New Birth, The 0912315776 $9.99 David Bernard
B. Conversion Experience, The 0932581137 $7.99 Gary Erickson
III. Godhead
A. Oneness of God, The 0912315121 $9.99 David Bernard
B. Identity of Jesus Christ, The 0932581455 $7.99 Teklemariam
Gezahagne
C. God of Two Testaments, The 1567220452 $6.99 Robert Graves
IV. Holiness
A. In Search of Holiness 0912315407 $9.99 Loretta and D. Bernard
B. Practical Holiness 0912315911 $9.99 David Bernard
C. Why? A Study of Christian Standards 1567220436 $5.99 W.A.P.
Elective Series
V. 20th Century Church History
A. Azusa Street 0882704397 $8.99 Frank Bartleman
B. United We Stand 1567221343 $14.99 A.L. Clanton
C. Their Story: 20th Century Pentecostals 0912315059 $7.99 Fred
Foster
D. Phenomen of Pentecost Fran
VI. Bible Study
A. Exploring God's Word 1567221106 $10.00 Home Missions
B. Pentecostal Bible Study Course 9076111520 $149.95 PPH
C. Dividing the Word of Truth 9076111361 $16.95 Ralph Reynolds
D. Christian Development Course, Vol. 1 0961885300 $20.00 Crawford
Coon
E. Christian Development Course, Vol. 2 0961885319 $20.00 Crawford
Coon
VII. The Ministry
B. Intercessors, The 0932581684 $7.99 Denzil Holman
C. When Ye Fast 9113111383 $6.95 Joy Haney
D. May I Wash Your Feet 0932581870 $6.99 Joy Haney
General licensing is the second phase in the licensing process. All general
license holders have the following privileges...
1.. A subscription to the Pentecostal Herald
2.. A subscription to the Forward Magazine
3.. Life insurance package
4.. Perform funeral ceremonies
5.. Perform wedding ceremonies
6.. Perform practically all duties and responsibilities of the ministry
Each applicant must read the following:
1.. The complete Bible since receiving a local license (twice if granted a
general license without a local license)
2.. One book from each of the categories listed below
3.. The Pentecostal Minister (edited by J.L. Hall and David Bernard)
(0932581846) $9.99
4.. Any additional material required by the District Board
These items may be ordered at our secure Pentecostal Online Services.
Categories Order # Price Author(s)
I. The Bible
A. The Bible
II. Church History
A. Early Pentecostal Revival 0932581927 $9.99 James Tyson
B. Winds of God, The 0912315261 $8.99 Ethel Goss
C. Old-Time Preacher Men 1567220002 $8.99 Mary Wallace
D. History of Christian Doctrine, Vol. 1 1567220363 $9.99 David
Bernard
III. The Ministry
A. Best of E.L. Holley 9204713934 $12.95 J.R. Ensey
B. Conquest Through Prayer 0932581390 $8.99 Denzil Holman
C. For Preachers Only 0912315350 $7.99 J.T. Pugh
IV. Doctrinal Studies
A. Message of Romans, The 0932581188 $9.99 David Bernard
B. Questions Pentecostals Ask, Vol. 1 0932581072 $8.99 David Gray
C. Questions Pentecostals Ask, Vol. 2 093258196X $8.99 David Gray
D. Questions Pentecostals Ask, Vol. 3 0932581978 $8.99 David Gray
E. Spiritual Gifts 1567222048 $8.99 David Bernard
F. Holy Spirit, The 1567220541 $5.99 W.A.P. Elective Series
G. Pentecostal Worship 0932581528 $9.99 Gary Erickson
H. Handbook on Receiving the Holy Ghost 1567222056 $5.99 Fred Kinzie
V. Old Testament
A. Themes in O.T. Theology 0877847266 $14.99 William Dyrness
B. An Historical Survey of the Old Testament 0801062837 $19.99 John
Merrill
C. Tabernacle, Priesthood, and Offerings, The 0825437504 $14.99 Henry
Soltau
D. Ancient Wisdom for Today's World 0932581609 $9.99 Daniel Seagraves
VI. The Gospels
A. Short Life of Christ, A 0802818242 $18.00 Everett Harrison
B. Words and Works of Jesus Christ, The 0310309409 $29.99 J.D.
Pentecost
VII. Home Missions
A. Miracle Through the Fire 1567222021 $8.99 Tommy & Judy Hudson
B. Missions 9245111814 $3.55 Dorsey Burk
Ordination is the final phase of the licensing process. All ordained
ministers enjoy the privileges of...
1.. A subscription to the Pentecostal Herald
2.. A subscription to the Forward Magazine
3.. Life insurance package
4.. Perform funeral ceremonies
5.. Perform wedding ceremonies
6.. Perform practically all duties and responsibilities of the ministry
7.. The possibility of holding office
Each applicant must read the following:
1.. The complete Bible since receiving a general license
2.. One book from each of the categories listed below
3.. Doctrines of the Bible (edited by J.L. Hall and David Bernard
(0932581714) $9.99
4.. Any additional material required by the District Board
These items may be ordered at our secure Pentecostal Online Services.
Categories Order # Price Author(s)
I. The Bible
A. The Bible
II. Study of the Bible
A. God's Infallible Word 1567220010 $8.99 David Bernard
B. Bible-Its Origin and Use, The 1567220517 $5.99 W.A.P. Elective
Series
III. Church History
A. Trinitarian Controversy, The 1567220096 $5.99 David Bernard
B. History of the Christian Doctrine, Vol. 2 1567221874 $9.99 David
Bernard
C. History of the Christian Doctrine, Vol. 3 1567222218 $10.99 David
Bernard
D. Our God Is One 70-1-88825-120-4 $24.95 Talmudge French
IV. Doctrinal Studies
A. Literal Word: 1 Corinthians, The 1560438444 $30.00 M.D. Treece
B. Pastoral Epistles, The 0932581692 $8.99 J.R. Ensey
C. In the Name of Jesus 0932581951 $5.99 David Bernard
D. Symposium on Oneness Pentecostals 1986 093258103X $6.95 U.P.C.I.
E. Hebrews: Better Things, Vol. 1 1567221890 $8.99 Daniel Seagraves
F. Hebrews: Better Things, Vol. 2 1567221882 $8.99 Daniel Seagraves
G. Symposium on Oneness Pentecostals 1988 & 1990 0932581722 $8.99
U.P.C.I.
Sale $4.99
V. Theology
A. Themes From a Letter to Rome 156722136X $9.99 Daniel Seagraves
B. Oneness and Trinity 0932581811 $7.99 David Bernard
C. Bible Doctrines-Foundation of the Church 1567220509 $5.99 W.A.P.
Elective Series
D. John, the Gospel that Had to Be Written 1567220371 $9.99 Fred
Kinzie
VI. The Ministry
A. How to Prepare Sermons 0802437257 $16.99 William Evans
B. Dear Pastor: If the Sheep Could Speak 9076111627 $6.95 Raph
Reynolds
C. Biblical Preaching 0801077001 $17.99 Haddon Robinson
VII. Church Growth
A. Let My People Grow! 0932581412 $8.99 Tim Massengale
B. The Purpose Driven Church Rick Warren
Jim Wardrip
> Here are the requirements or you may look them up here...
> http://upci.net/licensing.htm
> Interesting that there are Trinitarian Authors listed
>
It's interesting that everyone seems to think it's so easy to become
licensed with the UPCI. What no one seems to understand is that in
order to get even a local license, one must prove to their church and
pastor that they're fit and qualified for the ministry. In most UPCI
churches that I know of, a new member usually has to attend church
faithfully and demonstrate their faith and commitment for about a year
before being asked to take ANY active roll in the church, including
playing music or teaching sunday school.
I came into the Apostolic Faith after being licensed as a Southern
Baptist minister. I can testify that it was so much easier to become
licensed in the Baptist church. In the Baptist church all that was
necessary was to talk to my pastor and have my license voted on in a
church business meeting. Took all of three weeks. It took over a
year in the organization to which I now belong (which will remain
nameless due to the expected harrassment of one internet "pastor")to
even get a district license.
Anyone who thinks the UPCI sells or gives away minister's license
should call a local UPCI church and have a talk with the minister.
Tell him that you want one and ask what you have to do to get it. You
may be surprised!
JW
Mike Bugal
> http://upci.net/licensing.htm
> Interesting that there are Trinitarian Authors listed
Not in any area bearing upon doctrine or theology.
In Christ,
Mike Bugal
Founder, Heartland Chapel Ministries
http://www.heartlandchapel.org/
Mike Bugal
> It's interesting that everyone seems to think it's so easy to become
> licensed with the UPCI. What no one seems to understand is that in
> order to get even a local license, one must prove to their church and
> pastor that they're fit and qualified for the ministry. In most UPCI
> churches that I know of, a new member usually has to attend church
> faithfully and demonstrate their faith and commitment for about a year
> before being asked to take ANY active roll in the church, including
> playing music or teaching sunday school.
>
> I came into the Apostolic Faith after being licensed as a Southern
> Baptist minister. I can testify that it was so much easier to become
> licensed in the Baptist church. In the Baptist church all that was
> necessary was to talk to my pastor and have my license voted on in a
> church business meeting. Took all of three weeks. It took over a
> year in the organization to which I now belong (which will remain
> nameless due to the expected harrassment of one internet "pastor")to
> even get a district license.
Mr. Wardrip is being less than honest in his representation... at
least as far as implying that his example extends beyond his former
church. I don't know what type of Baptist church he belonged to, but
if they locally licensed him without doing exactly what he describes
his present organization doing they were poor stewards of their
ministry. That is NOT the norm in most Baptist churches nor any other
orthodox Christian denomination.
The point of comparision that is most telling, however, is what
happens above the level of the local license. You aren't going to get
anywhere above a local license in 99.99999% of Christian denominations
without a FORMAL education... an education that helps you to examine
God's Word more closely and accurately to know what you believe and
why you believe it. Contrast that to the "reading list" required of
the UPCI, a reading list composed strictly of Oneness Pentecostal
writers in any area that truly matters... doctrine and theology. Mr.
Wardrip says that he has a district license in his Oneness Pentecostal
sect. What Bible school, college, university ot seminary did he attend
to qualify for that license?
> Anyone who thinks the UPCI sells or gives away minister's license
> should call a local UPCI church and have a talk with the minister.
> Tell him that you want one and ask what you have to do to get it. You
> may be surprised!
I don't know who beside Fredericka said any such thing. I have never
said anything close to that personally. Where Fredericka got the "buy
a license" notion is beyond me. But that no formal education is
required to rise as far as you want to go in the UPCI (I have no idea
what sect Mr. Wardrip belongs to and therefore cannot speak of
that)has been made abundantly plain by both Mr. Wardrip's and Mr.
Bassett's testimony. An "education" that only views matters from one
side (and then intentionally distorts the opposing view into "strawman
arguments")is NOT an eduction... it's "brain washing".
John Fraser
Any number of factors can contribute to membership and rising within the
ranks. It could range from personality to need to money.
No matter how good you are, you're toast if you can't get along with
your superiors. Conversely, if they like you, you can get away with more
indiscretions. If people like you and think you have potential, you go
places. If not, you move horizontally if at all.
As in the teaching profession, I'm sure that professional
accomplishments make you good, particularly your paycheck. Unless they're
desperate, organizations don't promote dummies. They want someone who
represents them properly and can sell their ideas to prospective clients and
look good doing it. When they're desperate for a body count or using a lack
of judgement, the standards will be lowered.
As in any commercial business, the name of the game is ultimately money.
Sure, churches can claim that souls are their focus. But, no church gets by
for free and souls have no use for money. Ultimately, if you can attract
people, their money follows. The higher you go, the more responsibility one
accrues in this area. At the same time, good stewardship of that money is
rewarded and the responsibility for it also follows.
And besides, Mr. Wardrip is quit happy with his present organization.
Why would he want to publicly deride it as he can do unto others which he
was not happy with?
Cheers,
John
"Mike Bugal" <heartla...@socket.net> wrote in message
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Jim Wardrip
> Mr. Wardrip is being less than honest in his representation... at
> least as far as implying that his example extends beyond his former
> church. I don't know what type of Baptist church he belonged to, but
> if they locally licensed him without doing exactly what he describes
> his present organization doing they were poor stewards of their
> ministry. That is NOT the norm in most Baptist churches nor any other
> orthodox Christian denomination.
>
No where have I been less than honest in any representation of my
experience. I did not mention that I had grown up in this church and
was well known by the pastor and membership, however I was simply
talking about how simple the licensing process was compared to what is
required by the UPCI.
> Mr.Wardrip says that he has a district license in his Oneness Pentecostal
> sect. What Bible school, college, university ot seminary did he attend
> to qualify for that license?
I am a fully ordained minister in my organization. I also have a
college education and some seminary (SBC) after college. BTW, I
attended a state college, not connected with any Oneness Pentecostal
group.
> But that no formal education is
> required to rise as far as you want to go in the UPCI.
True. No formal education is required in the UPCI. However some of
the best and most fruitful ministers I know have NO formal training.
> I have no idea what sect Mr. Wardrip belongs to and therefore cannot speak of
> that)has been made abundantly plain by both Mr. Wardrip's and Mr.
> Bassett's testimony.
And you don't need to know. Why should I subject my denomination's
leadership to harrassment, questions, and complaints that people on
this newsgroup are famous for?
> An "education" that only views matters from oneside (and then intentionally > distorts the opposing view into "strawman
> arguments")is NOT an eduction...
Since your's is the opposing view, you would only be happy if everyone
presented your ideas. I wouldn't expect a Baptist school to teach
Oneness Theology, which as far as I know, they do not. Why do you
feel it's necessary for the UPCI to teach your position? Most
Apostolic ministers already have a better understanding of the trinity
doctrine than trinity believers.
> it's "brain washing".
Actually being saved is "blood washing", not "brain washing".
Mark Bassett
God did not require the worldly education of men and women through
scripture. Some were well educated by the world, like Moses and Isaiah,
while others were not (such as Amos, and the great majority of Apostles of
the New Testament).
We certainly feel that education can be a very positive thing. For example,
if nothing else, it could stop the mouths of such cynics and critics as you
are addressing here. Moreover, good education does much to allow debate and
evaluation of confusion that mankind has been victimized by, as his own
"cunning" has complicated the revelation of God, by means of religion.
There is one thing I would like to add, that I cannot remember being
mentioned. That is, it is better not to have men and women whose experience
with God is not a genuine, personal, scripturally defined relationship,
judging those who we wish to train in ministry, concerning their knowledge
of the scripture. No one, regardless of their doctrine and view of the
Bible, would hold back from warning that since training bends and twists the
knowledge of the Bible and many subsequent concepts in the direction of the
instructor's disposition, then instructors must be carefully chosen. For
example, a "big deal" is made when we hear that a particular school finds
people in it's staff that have a view that does not mathe the demoninations
own sectarian view. However, when they dismiss that professor, he will
certainly find a position at another school, whose supporters are not as
concerned with this area of doctrine.
Naturally, people who seek to help ministers with training try to be
concerned with the quality and purpose of the instruction, and most
certainly are interested in the viewpoint and general concepts that are
being imparted (by instructors, not by the Bible) are consistent with the
licensing agency. As I said before, while "making up your own mind" is
touted as a high moral platitute, it is silly, because we are dealing with
people who HAVE made up their minds, and are still eligable, daily to
thought, prayer and Bible reading, as well as reading WHATEVER the world has
to offer. Given this, it is absurd to suggest that we train ministers by
feeding them what we regard as ungodly and failing material related to the
Bible. As I mentioned, we don't think that Elijah's "school of prohphets"
taught many courses on "Baal Worship"
I would guess that a very small fraction of our ministers read greek, or
understand the ancient languages apart from use of the the commonly
available tools. But, I would further assert that acknoledgment of the wide
differences between doctrine in various denominations where the percentation
of language scholars was higher makess quick work of the false notion that
this is required for Christian ministry.
Our desire for ministry is to refine their ability to find methods for
beinging the revelation of God that is already in them by the breath of God,
to the surrounding world. We also wish to equip ministers to deal with the
constant battery that comes against all Chrsitians in this world that some
in denominations have called "post-Chrisitian". Sometimes a high level of
intellectual activity helps this process, and sometimes a poor balance
causes the level of "heart activity" to be choked off.
Unfortunately, seminaries have not typically produced spiritual people, and
if there is a bias against seminary education that is noted in these
comments, it is because of this reason.
I heard a news item last night speaking of the German clergy outraged
against a book being sold on television that seemed to advertise a
spiritually and emotionally balanced life, sent to people for free (70,000
Germans had asked for the book). The clergy exploited German law to have the
advertisements removed because it smacked of "American popular religion".
Though they could not identify it as a cult of some type, the organization
that printed the books is in West Miami, and was said to be "conservative".
Admitedly, the book only contained relatively sensible guidelines for living
a well balanced life, but, too late. In Germany, only 10% of the population
professes to be Christian. and the Clergy felt in needed to safeguard
whatever was left.
I repeat this story, because the German clergy's attitude* reminds me of
some of the whining we hear against people who might propose to minister
without having "education", as though anyone really knew what "education"
was actually going to do for (or to) the real people who might actually have
a call of God to preach the Word of God to their neighbors, or across the
World.
-mwb
*In Germany also, the 10% are typically politically liberal, and ironically
their churches are where the gay/lesbian lobby gets much support, as well as
other socialist causes. They certainly did not want the "church" being seen
as the source of conservative ideology, so the reputation of the
literature's printer was questioned. IMO, most of these grouses come down
to something similar.
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Mark Bassett
James in Calif
that I "thought" I knew, and after a couple of months found them trying to
deceive the saints and turn them against the pastor. It takes time to get
licensed in the church as a preacher for a reason.
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