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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/144020.stm
(Archived locally as: 144020)
Sunday, August 2, 1998 Published at 18:51 GMT 19:51 UK
World: Europe
Jews protest at Auschwitz crosses
The Yad Vashem Holocaust Museum in Israel has demanded that crosses which have
been put up at the Auschwitz concentration camp in Poland be removed to respect
Jewish feelings...
Yad Vashem branded the addition of the new crosses a "provocative act" by
"extreme groups."
The Director of Yad Vashem, Avner Shalev said that the crosses were "very
painful for any member of the Jewish people and many others." <END>

http://www.dailyillini.com/june_99/june15/opinions/column1.html
(Archived locally as: column1)
[I]n 1988, a 26-foot cross was erected by the Vatican to remember the 108 Roman
Catholics who died at Auschwitz.

All was well and good until a year or so ago, when Polish nationalists began
erecting smaller crosses. Roman Catholicism is the historic religion of Poland,
and many political extremists believed a return to a more conservative religious
past might slow the wave of westernization they felt was threatening Poland's
heritage. These smaller crosses, erected in the execution yards at Auschwitz,
were one of many attempts made by extremists to revive Poland's Catholicism.

I call these Catholics extremists because the crosses were in direct opposition
to the many Polish Jews who demanded that the crosses be taken down. Jewish
leaders objected to the crosses, saying they were not erected to memorialize
anyone, but to antagonize Polish Jews, most of whom, if not holocaust victims
themselves, lost family members to the Nazis... <END>

I got news for you Jews-- you weren't the only p;eople to die at Auschwitz so
stop gtrying to deprive other people of their rights! What happened at Auschwitz
wasn't exclusively Jewish!!!

http://www.jewishsf.com/bk980821/icrosses.htm
(Archived locally as: icrosses)
Crosses at Auschwitz aggravate tension between Poles and Jews
RUTH E. GRUBER

Jewish Telegraphic Agency
ROME -- A growing forest of more than 130 crosses placed near the gates of
Auschwitz has sparked a new crisis in the perpetually strained relations between
Poles and Jews.
The crisis, however, reflects more than just the continuing friction between
Jews and Polish Catholics over how the site of the former death camp should be
viewed and how the memory of the more than 1.5 million people who were murdered
there should be honored.
It also underscores tensions within Poland's Roman Catholic Church itself,
within the country's center-right coalition government and between the church
and state.
[T]ens of thousands of Polish Catholics also were killed at Auschwitz, and
Poles regard the camp as the symbol of Polish suffering under the Nazis... <END>

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The above makes it appear that Jews only object to crosses at Auschwitz BUT they
are the ones behind removing crosses from other places as well!

Special Note: In the following Classic Posts series I added some new links and
tried to get working links in place of old dead links. NOT all links below may
function today because web sites and wenb pages come and go.

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=34d3c8ed.607125438%40news.flash.net&rnum=1
Subject: Jews Object to Christian Crosses. The Defiling and the Request For
Removal of Christian Symbols to Appease Jewry!
Date: 1998/02/01
Message-ID: <34d3c8ed....@news.flash.net>

http://www.sddt.com/files/librarywire/97wireheadlines/03_97/DN97_03_05/DN97_03_05_1am.html

Jewish, Polish Leaders Sign Auschwitz Museum Preservation Plan

By MONIKA SCISLOWSKA Associated Press Writer

March 05, 1997

WARSAW, Poland (AP) - Crowning years of work, Jewish and Polish
leaders signed a $93.5-million agreement Wednesday to expand and
preserve the Auschwitz Museum at the site of the notorious former Nazi
death camp.

[ ... ]

Lerman and Israel Gutman, vice chairman of the Auschwitz Museum's
international council, headed a Jewish group that has been holding
talks with Polish officials on the museum.

Lerman said that people living on or near the museum premises will be
treated "humanely" as the project is implemented.

"We do not intend to come in with a bulldozer," he said.

Gutman said the declaration culminates years of talks on how to best
preserve the Auschwitz Museum, a "symbol of the great tragedy, an
accusation and a warning against the dangers in political life and in
man himself."

"It is a great lesson of history for the new generations," he added.

A solution is still being sought to the sensitive issue of religious
symbols around the museum. Jews oppose the presence of the Christian
crosses, while the Roman Catholic church says they commemorate the
suffering of all Auschwitz victims, Jews and Christians.

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Read again the "bottom line" in the last paragraph which states: "Jews
oppose the presence of the Christian crosses.." What does this tell
you all?

More on the situation concerning Jewish bigotry toward Christian
symbols:

http://www.endofman.com/False_Religion/shahakhatred.htm
Links active May 18, 2003: Archived locally as: shahakhatred)
Text also mirrored at: http://www.amenusa.org/isr28.htm
http://209.55.84.52/54927/64.html
http://jesus-messiah.com/apologetics/jewish/shahak.html
(Archived locally as: jewish-shahak)

Statement by professor Israel Shahak on the Jewish
hatred towards Christianity

[Professor Israel Shahak is an Israeli citizen,
former concentration camp inmate during WW II.]

Dishonouring Christian religious symbols is an old
religious duty in Judaism. Spitting on the cross,
an especially on the Crucifix, and spitting when a
Jew passes a church, have been obligatory from
around AD 200 for pious Jews. In the past, when the
danger of anti-Semitic hostility was a real one,
the pious Jews were commanded by their rabbis either
to spit so that the reason for doing so would
be unknown, or to spit onto their chests, not actually
on the cross or openly before the church. The
increasing strength of the Jewish state has caused
these customs to become more open again but there
should be no mistake: The spitting on the cross for
converts from Christianity to Judaism, organized in
Kibbutz Sa'ad and financed by the Israeli government
is a an act of traditional Jewish piety. It does not
seize to be barbaric, horrifying and wicked because
of this! On the contrary, it is worse because it is
so traditional, and much more dangerous as well, just
as the renewed anti-Semitism of the Nazis was
dangerous, because in part, it played on the
traditional anti-Semitic past.

This barbarous attitude of contempt and hate for
Christian religious symbols has grown in Israel. In
the 1950s Israel issued a series of stamps
representing pictures of Israeli cities. In the
picture of Nazareth, there was a church and on its
top a cross - almost invisible, perhaps the size of a
millimeter. Nevertheless, the religious parties,
supported by many on the Zionist "left" made a scandal
and the stamps were quickly withdrawn and replaced by
an almost identical series from which the microscopic
cross was withdrawn.

Then there was the long-drawn-out battle about
Christian influence in elementary arithmetic. Pious
Jews object to the international plus sign for it is a
cross, and it may in their opinion, influence little
children to convert to Christianity. Another
"explanation" holds; it would then be difficult to
"educate" them to spit on the cross, if they become
used to it in their arithmetic exercises. Until the
early 1970s two different sets of arithmetic books were
used in Israel. One for the secular schools, employing
an inverted "T" sign. In the early '70's the religious
fanatics "converted" the Labour Party to the great
danger of the cross in arithmetic, and from that time,
in all Hebrew elementary schools (and now many high
schools as well) the international plus sign has been
forbidden.

Similar development is visible in other areas of
education. Teaching the New Testament was always
forbidden, but in the old time conscientious teachers
of history used to circumvent the prohibition, by
organizing seminars or sending the students to
libraries (not the school libraries, of course).
About 10 years ago there was a wave of denouncing
such teachers. One in Jerualem was almost sacked, for
advising her history pupils, who were studying the
history of Jews in Palestine around 30-40 AD,
that it would be a good thing if they would read a
few chapters of the New Testament as a historical
aid. She retained her post only after humbly
promising not to do this again.

However in recent years, anti-Christian feelings are
literally exploding in Israel (and among Israel-
worshipping Jews in Diaspora too) together with the
increase of the Jewish fanaticism in all other areas
too.

The real enemies of truth here, as in many other
aspects of the Israel reality, are the socialists,
"liberals", "radicals", etc. in the USA. Imagine the
reaction of the US Liberals, and of such papers as
The Nation and New York Review of Books, not to speak
of the New York Times if in any state whatsoever, the
government financed spitting on a Star of David? But
when here in Israel, the government finances the
spitting on a cross, they are and will continue to be,
quite silent. More than this, they helpt to finance
it. United States taxpayers, who are of course mostly
Christians, are finacing at least half the Israeli
budget, one way or another, and therefore the spitting
on the cross too.

* * *
Professor Israel Shahak is an Israeli citizen,
former concentration camp inmate during WW II,
and the founder of Israel's Human Rights League.
His new book "Jewish History, Jewish Religion"
about Jewish hatred and contempt toward Gentiles,
is highly recommended.

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PART II

Subject: Jews and Crosses
From: Doc Tavish <"tav...@phoenix.net>
Date: 1996/12/20
Message-ID: <59ed29$aej$2...@uhura.phoenix.net>

Attacks on Christian symbols by Jews

27A *** Houston Chronicle Sunday March 3, 1996
Cities with Christian symbols on official seals face lawsuits
Knight-Ridder Tribune News

WASHINGTON - The symbolic story of an American community may be
glimpsed in its official government seal: A sheaf of wheat signifies
one community's agricultural roots. A wrench suggests another's
industrial base. A covered wagon recalls a third community's founding
pioneers.
But what does a Christian cross on an official seal say? That the
city or county endorses one religion? Or that religious belief is
merely one element of its history?
The vexing constitutional questions that arise from religious
symbols on city seals already have divided several communities in
bitter conflict.
In a case now on the Supreme Court's doorstep, the city of
Edmond, Okla., is appealing a lower court's ruling that the city's
seal appeared to endorse Christianity and thus violated the
First Amendment principle of separation of church and state.
At stake, city officials say, are the government seals of
hundreds of U.S. cities and counties - each containing a religious
symbol, such as a cross, a church or a Bible.
The Edmond seal, designed in 1965, depicts a covered wagon, a
train, an oil well, a college tower and a Christian cross.
The seal is on view throughout the growing community north of
Oklahoma City: on city flags, official vehicles, city stationery,
uniforms worn by police officers and firefighters, utility bills,
signs at the city limits.
"We haven't endorsed any religion," protested Bob Rudkin, the
mayor of Edmond, in an interview. "The cross on the seal is part of
our heritage. The people who want to remove it want to rewrite history
and remove all religious symbols from public life. We're approaching
the ridiculous.
"The seals of 70 other cities in Oklahoma have religious
symbols," he said. "Most of our cities came from religion symbolism,
like Corpus Christi and Zion, Ill. Toledo, Ohio, was named
for a holy city in Spain. That's where we get 'Holy Toledo!"
"That's bogus," replied Martin Feldman, a Jewish car salesman
who, together with members of the Unitarian Church, challenged the
Edmond seal in court.
"What about my history? There's nothing wrong with Christianity,
it's a wonderful religion, but what's good for them is not necessarily
good for everyone else."
After a two-day trial, a federal judge approved the seal. The
judge concluded that the First Amendment did not require the city
government to ignore the importance of religion in its history.
But a Denver-based federal appeals panel disagreed. The court,
quoting a rabbi's testimony in an earlier seal case, recalled that
"the cross had at times symbolized outright oppression and persecution
of Jewish people."
It also has tragic associations for Lebanese Muslims and Northern
Irish Protestants, and may remind Native Americans in the Southwest of
"those who sought to extinguish their culture and religion," the court
noted.
Edmond officials said the overwhelming majority of the 66,000
residents in their city favored the cross and did not see any
government endorsement of Christianity in it.
But, replied the appeals court, "the comfort of the majority is
not the main concern of the Bill of Rights."
Many in the city protested, some angrily. Irate residents wrote
letters to newspapers. Members of the First Baptist Church formed a
huge cross on the church lawn. Some people distributed "Save Our Seal"
T-shirts.
In several other cities, seals bearing religious symbols have
been challenged and invalidated by federal courts. Among them were the
official seals of Zion and Rolling Meadows, Ill., and Bernalillo
County, N.M., all of which depicted crosses.
Fear of a lawsuit persuaded Logan, Utah, to remove a picture of
the Mormon temple from the city logo after an Assemblies of God pastor
complained that "the temple is more private and exclusive than any
private club in Logan" and "should not be a symbol chosen to represent
the public."
In Milledgeville, Ga., the word "Christianity" appeared on the
official logo until the city settled a lawsuit by removing the word
from large images of the seal. However, the word was allowed to remain
on stationery and documents, where it is too small to read.
But one official seal, in Austin survived court scrutiny despite
its depiction of a cross. A New Orleans based federal appeals court
saw no endorsement of religion in it.
The Supreme Court has declined to review cases about
cross-bearing seals in the past, but Edmond officials argue that the
issue is ripe for review, and the court is expected to decide
soon on whether to take the case.
Court rejection of the Edmond seal, the city officials say,
showed "hostility toward religion" and failed to "see the seal for
what it is - a collage of historical symbols."
But Micheal C. Salem of Nonnan, Okla., a lawyer representing the
challengers, said Edmond's portrayal of a cross amid an array of
secular symbols should offend Christians as well as non-Christians.
The seal, he said, is "a heresy just as incongruous as money
lenders in the temple." It takes the form of "diluted wine" or
"Christian-lite," he said.
Edmond has spent nearly $100,000 to defend its ubiquitous seals.
And if the city loses, Mayor Rudkin estimated it would cost another
$30,000 to remove them.
Joseph Conn, (a Jewish) spokesman for Americans United for
Separation of Church and State, said he anticipated more court
disputes over official seals.
"As we become more religiously pluralistic, the day when people
would tolerate a symbol of the majority faith on government property
is past," Conn said.

Special note: Consider the following text that appears on page 44 from
the book named: THE WAR AGAINST THE JEWS 1933-1945 by Lucy S.
Dawidowicz. Bantam Books, New York #13084-6 May 1975.
"Political anti-Semitism began in Berlin with Adolf Stocker,
though Stocker did not actually begin with overt, explicit
anti-Semitism. In 1878, in Berlin, where he was a court preacher, he
founded the Christian Social Worker's party. The name
itself suggested the party's implicit anti-Semitic bias.* [see
footnote]

* [footnote on bottom of page 44] The word "Christian" in a European
organization's name indicated its anti-Semitic character. The classic
illustration is Admiral Horthy's joyous embrace of the secretary of
the American YMCA as the head of "such an important
anti-Semitic organization."

<END>

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=34d3cff8.608929203%40news.flash.net&rnum=2
Subject: Florida Laws on Roadside Memorials (Jews Object to Christian Crosses?)
Date: 1998/02/01
Message-ID: <34d3cff8....@news.flash.net>

New- Florida Laws on Roadside Memorials.

http://home1.gte.net/imago2/fllaws.html

Florida Laws

All markers MUST be erected on the property line with the concent of
the property owner. (Can use this optional form) due to these laws:

According to Florida Statute 479.11 (8) - No sign shall be erected,
used, operated, or maintained which is located upon the right-of-way
of any highway on the State Highway System, interstate highway system,
or federal-aid primary highway system. And F.S. 479.107 (1) states -
Any sign located on the right-of-way of a highway on the State Highway
System or on any portion of the interstate or federal-aid primary
highway system which is in violation of s. 479.11 (8) may be removed
by the Department of Transportation. Authorized highway memorial
markers are available through DOT only. Requests for markers should be
made to the Public Information Director for the District where the
marker would be located. Following is a list of Public Information

Directors and the counties that they represent:

[ ... ] Director's deleted

For the latest FDOT press release regarding the highway memorial
marker program please visit
www.dot.state.fl.us/moreDOT/spenews/flresum.htm

News Releases

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE: February 27, 1997

CONTACT: Dick Kane (904) 488-3111

Florida Department of Transportation to Resume Highway Safety Memorial
Marker Program in March

TALLAHASSEE--The Florida Department of Transportation (FDOT) will
resume its highway safety memorial marker program by March 31 after
redesigning a new marker that continues the department's highway
safety awareness policy and allows people to memorialize the loss of a
friend or loved one killed in a vehicle-related crash.

"Right from the start, we've tried to reach a compromise between the
department's safety-related program and the sensitivities of the
community," said FDOT Secretary Ben Watts.

[I'd bet this was made in reference to Jewry: "Right from the start,
we've tried to reach a compromise between the department's
safety-related program and the sensitivities of the community,"
Read the rest of the articles below and draw your own educated
conclusions! Tavish comment.]

"We believe we've achieved that goal with our new marker that will
heighten the public's awareness of highway safety as they drive along
the state's roadways."

The newly-designed marker (see below) will replace existing,
unauthorized memorials on the state's rights of way only if requested
by family members or friends of a crash fatality victim. Although all
unauthorized memorials will continue to be removed, every effort will
be made to contact the family or friends of the crash victim to return
their personal memorial and give them the opportunity to request a
FDOT-installed marker.

The department suspended placing new markers along the state's
highways January 10 due to the concern of some Floridians who
perceived the previously designed marker to be a religious symbol
rather than an internationally recognized safety symbol as FDOT had
intended.

The new memorial markers will be allowed to remain for a minimum of
one year. However, they will not be permitted within the limits of
active construction zones.

~~End of GOOGLE Archival Excerpt~~

http://groups.google.com/groups?q=&selm=35677ad7.14915461%40news.tavish-central.net&rnum=1
Subject: It Was Jews That Pushed to Have Crosses Removed From Florida Roadsides!
Jews Object to Christian Symbols!
Date: 1998/05/24
Message-ID: <35677ad7...@news.tavish-central.net>

I had just posted this piece and made the comment:

[I'd bet this was made in reference to Jewry: "Right from the start,
we've tried to reach a compromise between the department's
safety-related program and the sensitivities of the community,"
Read the rest of the articles below and draw your own educated
conclusions! Tavish comment.]

And low and behold I found that my suspicions were right on target! I
offer proof right after the following article. In the words of Jews
themselves let them be judged!

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