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This article by John Ankerberg & John Weldon explains in detail why the
Biblical doctrine of the Holy Trinity is indeed a vital belief for
Christians to understand.

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Carl
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Why Is The Doctrine Of The Trinity A Vital Belief For Christians To
Understand?
by Dr. John Ankerberg & Dr. John Weldon

"When we speak of the Trinity, we must do so with caution and modesty, for,
as St. Augustine saith, "Nowhere else are more dangerous errors made, or is
research more difficult, or discovery more fruitful.'" (St. Thomas Aquinas,
Summa Theologica, ia q. xxi, 1272)

The biblical doctrine of the Trinity is vital to understand because it
concerns who God is, i.e., a proper realization of the nature of God as
Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. To understand the Trinity is to understand God
as He has revealed Himself to be.

Why is this important? Because if we are to worship God "in spirit and
truth" (John 4:24), as Jesus commanded, we must know and worship the one
true God as He really is. To fail to do this is to fail to know and worship
God-and this cannot bring Him glory. Thus, those who reject the Trinity
invariably deny the nature of God.

Consider several examples of professedly Christian religions that forcefully
reject what the Bible teaches. By denying the biblical teaching on the
Trinity, Jehovah's Witnesses make Jesus merely a creation of Jehovah and the
Holy Spirit Jehovah's impersonal force. Thus, Jesus "was actually a creature
of God" who earned his own salvation and immortality1 and the Holy Spirit
"is not a person at all but is God's invisible active force by means of
which God carries out his holy will and work."2

In rejecting the Trinity, Jehovah's Witnesses founder C. T. Russell
blasphemously stated that the God of Christianity "is plainly not Jehovah
but the ancient deity, hoary with the iniquity of the ages-Baal, the Devil
Himself."3 Second Watchtower President Judge Rutherford declared in a
similar fashion, "The doctrine of the Trinity is a false doctrine and is
promulgated by Satan for the purpose of defaming Jehovah's name"-and for
keeping others from "learning the truth of Jehovah and his Son, Jesus
Christ." Indeed, "God-fearing persons.find it a bit difficult to love and
worship a complicated, freakish-looking three-headed God."4 Surely,
teachings that caricature God in this manner do not bring to Him honor and
glory.

In a similar fashion, Mormons maintain that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit
are not immortal, but were individual spirit-men created by the sexual union
of their parent deities, each of whom then later evolved into Godhood.5
Mormonism thus rejects the ontological unity of the Father, Son and Holy
Spirit in teaching tritheism, or a belief in three separate Gods.

Indeed, Mormons are ultimately polytheists who reject the concept of one
true God. As a standard text on Mormon doctrine declares:

"As pertaining to this universe, there are three Gods: the Father, Son, and
Holy Ghost.. To us, speaking in the proper finite sense, these three are the
only Gods we worship. But in addition there is an infinite number of holy
personages, drawn from worlds without number, who have passed on to
exaltation [i.e., Godhood] and are thus gods."6

Mary Baker Eddy was the founder of Christian Science, another group that
claims to be truly Christian. Yet in her Science and Health with Key to the
Scriptures, the Bible of Christian Science, she writes:

"The theory of three persons in one God (that is, a personal Trinity or
Tri-unity) suggests polytheism, rather than the one ever-present I Am.. The
name Elohim is in the plural, but this plurality of Spirit does not imply
more than one God, nor does it imply three persons in one."7

Victor Paul Wierwille, founder of The Way International, reveals additional
common consequences of rejection of the Trinity-a denial not only of the
Person of Jesus Christ but also of His atoning Work on the cross. Wierwille
argues as follows:

"Through the years, the more and more I carefully researched God's Word for
knowledge, the less and less I found to substantiate a trinity. Even though
I had always accepted the idea of a three-in-one-God, I continually found
evidence in the Word of God which undermined a Christian trinity.. [Further]
If Jesus Christ is God.we have not yet been redeemed.. Our very
redemption.is dependent on Jesus Christ's being a man and not God.. So how
then did a trinitarian doctrine come about? It gradually evolved and gained
momentum in late 1st, 2nd, and 3rd centuries as pagans, who had converted to
Christianity, brought to Christianity some of their pagan beliefs and
practices. Trinitarianism then was confirmed at Nicaea in 325 by Church
bishops out of political expediency."8

In essence, the reason the Trinity is important to understand according to
its biblical and theological formulation is that failure to do so can lead
to heretical views about who God is. This in turn can lead to rejection of
the one true God and worship of a false God. But if the Bible is clear on
anything, it is clear that faith in and worship of a false God is powerless
to save people from their sins. Jesus Himself emphasized the importance of
having an accurate knowledge of God when he said, "And this is eternal life,
that they may know Thee, the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom Thou hast
sent" (John 17:3).

God warned Israel through the prophet Hosea, "My people are destroyed from
lack of knowledge" and "You shall acknowledge no God but me, no Savior
except me" (Hosea 4:6; 13:4). As their history so amply demonstrates, the
Israelites were spiritually ruined because they had rejected true knowledge
of God and had turned to false gods and idols. Unfortunately, in a similar
manner, those who deliberately reject the Trinity, knowing in advance what
the Bible teaches about it, only reveal their own lack of salvation (1
Corinthians 2:14). In other words, no one can consistently dishonor what the
Holy Spirit has revealed in Scripture as to the true nature of God and
logically claim to be a Christian.

Of course, prior knowledge of the Trinity, especially in its theological
formulation, is not necessary for a person to be saved. But once saved, it
is vital for Christians to know the true nature of the God who has so
graciously pardoned them. This explains why the Church has always recognized
the importance of a proper understanding of God and maintained that those
who reject the scriptural view of God, as long as they do so, cannot be
saved.

For example, in discussing the placing of a divine curse or anathema on
those who reject God, the Athanasian Creed

"...begins and ends with the solemn declaration that the catholic [i.e.,
universal] faith in the Trinity and the Incarnation is the indispensable
condition of salvation, and that those who reject it will be lost forever..
This anathema, in its natural historical sense, is not merely a solemn
warning against the great danger of heresy, nor, on the other hand, does it
demand, as a condition of salvation, a full knowledge, and assent to, the
logical statement of the doctrines set forth, (this would condemn the great
mass even of Christian believers); but it does mean to exclude from heaven
all who reject the divine truth therein taught. It requires everyone who
would be saved to believe in the only true and living God, Father, Son, and
Holy Ghost, one in essence, three in persons, and in one Jesus Christ, very
God and very man in one person."9

As Vladimir Lossky once put boldly in The Mystical Theology of the Eastern
Church (1957, p. 66), "Between the Trinity and Hell there lies no other
choice."

Thus, an examination of religions claiming to be Christian, who yet deny the
Trinity, invariably reveals that other key Christian doctrines, such as
salvation by grace through faith alone, are also rejected. In other words,
if one does not start with a proper respect for Scripture and its
understanding of God, it is unlikely one will get much else correct
biblically. This is exactly what we find in the world of the cults.

However, before we discuss what the Bible does teach about the Trinity, we
must also remember that this doctrine is something finite minds can never
fully comprehend. The Trinity may be logically defined, but this is partly
the problem because "the infinite truth of the Godhead lies far beyond the
boundaries of logic, which deals only with finite truths and categories."10
In other words, as an infinite being, God can never be fully understood by
any finite person. If we can't understand something as basic as particle
physics, who would argue we should be able to rationally comprehend all that
the infinite God is?

As Dorothy L. Sayers once stated in Current Religious Thought (1957),

"Why do you complain that the proposition God is three in one is obscure and
mystical and yet acquiesce meekly in the physicist's fundamental formula,
'two P minus PQ equals IH over two Pi where I equals the square root of
minus one' when you know quite well that the square root of minus one is
paradoxical and Pi is incalculable?"

Consider that an ant could never comprehend all that a human being is, even
if it tried. Yet, if a human being could somehow become an ant, it might be
able to explain enough about what a human is so that the ant could gain
something of an understanding as to what a human is.

When we consider that God is, quite literally, infinitely removed from men,
the parallel suffers immeasurably. All we can truly understand about God is
what He has revealed to us in the Bible. And while this does give us a great
deal of accurate information, it obviously does not give us exhaustive
information that plumbs the depths of His infinity. Indeed, one of the
glories of eternal salvation (John 5:24; 6:47) will be that finite creatures
will forever learn wondrous things about the exhaustless glories and
perfections of an infinite God. This heavenly knowledge will make the things
learned on earth pale in contrast.

Regardless, what Christians can do is accept what God has revealed and what
the Church has formulated historically that is in accordance with biblical
teaching. So just what does it mean that God is a Trinity?

God has revealed that He is three persons or centers of consciousness within
one Godhead. Again, because the concept cannot be fully comprehended does
not mean the doctrine cannot be accurately described or defined. One good
definition of the Trinity is provided by noted church historian Philip
Schaff:

"God is one in three persons or hypostases [i.e., distinct persons of the
same nature], each person expressing the whole fullness of the Godhead, with
all his attributes. The term persona is taken neither in the old sense of a
mere personation or form of manifestation (prosopon, face, mask), nor in the
modern sense of an independent, separate being or individual, but in a sense
which lies between these two conceptions, and thus avoids Sabellianism on
the one hand, and Tritheism on the other. [Sabellianism taught that God was
one person only who existed in three different forms or manifestations;
tritheism refers to a belief in three separate gods.] The divine persons are
in one another, and form a perpetual intercommunication and motion within
the divine essence. Each person has all the divine attributes which are
inherent in the divine essence, but each has also a characteristic
individuality or property, which is peculiar to the person, and can not be
communicated; the Father is unbegotten, the Son begotten, the Holy Ghost is
proceeding. In this Trinity there is no priority or posteriority of time, no
superiority or inferiority of rank, but the three persons are coeternal and
coequal."11

It is important to note here that the Bible teaches both monotheism and
trinitarianism. It teaches a monotheistic view-that there is only one true
God-and a trinitarian view-that this one true God exists eternally as three
persons. This triunity of God was defended from earliest times as Christian
theologians and apologists were careful to safeguard both the unity of God
against tritheism and to also maintain the respective deity of the three
persons. As Gregory of Nyssa stated in his letter to Ablabius,

"To say that there are three gods.is wicked.not to bear witness to the deity
of the Son and the Spirit.is ungodly and absurd. .therefore one God must be
confessed by us according to the witness of Scripture, "Hear Israel, the
Lord your God is one Lord" (Deut. 6:4), even if the word "deity" extends
through the holy trinity."12

So, how do we know that the doctrine of the Trinity is biblical? That the
Trinity is a biblical doctrine can be seen from five simple statements
supported by the Bible. And, since the Jehovah's Witnesses are one group so
adamantly opposed to the doctrine as being something "pagan," "unreasonable"
and "of the devil," we thought it might be instructive to them to cite their
own Bible, The New World Translation (NWT; 1970 edition), in support of the
doctrine. (In the scriptures below, the term "Holy Spirit" is not
capitalized because Jehovah's Witnesses believe that "holy spirit" is merely
God's active, impersonal force, not a true Person.) Thus, even the New World
Translation teaches the doctrine of the Trinity.

1. There is only one true God: "For there is one God, and one mediator
between God and men." (1 Timothy 2:5 NWT, emphasis added; cf. Deuteronomy
4:35, 6:4; Isaiah 43:10).

2. The Father is God: "There is actually to us one God the Father.(1
Corinthians 8:6, NWT, emphasis added; cf. John 17:1-3; 2 Corinthians 1:3;
Philippians 2:11; Colossians 1:3; 1 Peter 1:2).

3. Jesus Christ, the Son, is God: ".but he [Jesus] was also calling God his
own Father, making himself equal to God": (John 5:18 NWT, emphasis added);
"In answer, Thomas said to him [Jesus]: 'My Lord and my God!'" (John 20:28
NWT, emphasis added, cf. Isaiah 9:6; John 1:1 Romans 9:5; Titus 2:13; 2
Peter 1:1).

4. The Holy Spirit is a Person, is eternal, and is therefore God: "However,
when that one arrives, the spirit of the truth, he will guide you into all
the truth, for he will not speak of his own impulse, but what things he
hears he will speak and he will declare to you the things coming" (John
14:13 NWT, emphasis added). The Holy Spirit is also eternal: "the
Father.will give you another helper to be with you forever, the spirit of
the truth" (John 14:16-17) "How much more will the blood of the Christ, who
through an everlasting spirit offered himself without blemish to God."
(Hebrews 9:14, NWT, emphasis added). The Holy Spirit is therefore God: "But
Peter said: 'Ananias, why has Satan emboldened you to play false to the holy
spirit..' You have played false, not to men, but to God" (Acts 5:3, 4 NWT,
emphasis added).

5. The Father, Son and Holy Spirit are distinct Persons with equal
authority: ".Baptizing them in the name of the Father and the Son and of the
Holy Spirit"; "Now I exhort you, brothers, through our Lord Jesus Christ and
through the love of the spirit, that you exert yourselves with me in prayers
to God for me"; "The undeserved kindness of the Lord Jesus Christ and the
love of God and the sharing in the holy spirit be with all of you" (Matthew
28:19; Romans 15:30; 2 Corinthians 13:14 NWT, emphasis added).

In Scripture, the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are clearly
distinguished, yet there is only one God. Thus, "There is. one Spirit. one
Lord [Jesus]. one God and Father of all." (Ephesians 4:4-6; cf., 1
Corinthians 12:4-11). Further, the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are never
identified as one Person only, as modern modalists teach, such as the United
Pentecostal Church/"Jesus Only" groups. For example, in John 6:38 Jesus
says, "I came down from heaven, not to do my own will, but the will of Him
that sent me." In that the will is the essence of personality, we certainly
have two personalities here.

For 1,900 years the historic Christian Church has found in the Bible the
doctrine of the Trinity. This can be seen by anyone who reads the Church
Fathers and studies the historic creeds. The creeds declared faith in only
one God, yet clearly taught that both the Son and the Holy Spirit were God.
For example, the Creed of Nicaea in 325 A.D. was the creed of 318 church
fathers. It reads, "We believe.in one Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God,
begotten of the Father as only begotten,. Light from Light, true God from
true God, begotten not created."13

The Constantinopolitan Creed of 381 A.D., a creed of 150 church fathers,
reads, "[We believe] in the Holy Spirit, the Lord and Life-giver, Who
proceeds from the Father, Who is worshiped and glorified together with the
Father and Son,."14

Although the official, precise definition and explanation of the Trinity
codified at Nicaea (351 A.D.) and Constantinople (381 A.D.) is lacking in
the New Testament and writings of the early church leaders, the fact of the
Trinity was clearly recognized by both the apostles and post-apostolic
fathers. Scholars of historical theology could be cited in abundant
confirmation, e.g., "The second-century Fathers were convinced that the
Godhead is a triad."15

And,

"From the Old Testament and the Judaism of the intertestamental period, the
early church accepted the conviction that God, the maker of heaven and
earth, is one.. In addition, even before the canonization of the New
Testament books, the apostolic traditions and popular faith of the church
were indelibly marked by the notion of a plurality of divine persons. The
idea of the triadic manifestation of the Godhead was present from the
earliest period as part of Christian piety and thinking. But no steps were
taken to work through the implications of this idea and to arrive at a
cohesive doctrine of God. The triadic pattern supplies the raw data from
which the more developed descriptions of the Christian doctrine of God will
come."16

Thus, in his book on the Trinity, God in Three Persons, E. Calvin Beisner
has provided an in- depth study of the historic development of the Trinity
from apostolic times through the final form of the Nicene Creed which was
adopted at the Council of Constantinople in A.D. 381. He includes a
line-by-line comparison of the Creed with New Testament teaching, proving
that the doctrine of the Trinity as thus formulated is biblical.17

Indeed, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are so effortlessly and
consistently linked in Scripture that to assume God is not three Persons
makes it impossible to understand some passages. For example, consider the
following Scriptures:

Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name
of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit (Matthew 28:19).

May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the
fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all (2 Corinthians 13:14).

For through him [Jesus] we both have access to the Father by one Spirit
(Ephesians 2:18; cf., 3:11-16).

But you, dear friends, build yourselves up in your most holy faith and pray
in the Holy Spirit. Keep yourselves in God's love as you wait for the mercy
of our Lord Jesus Christ to bring you to eternal life (Jude 20, 21).

To further illustrate, try answering the following questions without
concluding that the Bible teaches the doctrine of the Trinity:

1. Who raised Jesus from the dead? The Father (Romans 6:4; Acts 3:26; 1
Thessalonians 1:10)? The Son (John 2:19-21; 10:17, 18)? The Holy Spirit
(Romans 8:11)? Or God (Hebrews 13:20; Acts 13:30; 17:31)?

2. Who does the Bible say is God? The Father (Ephesians 4:6)? The Son (Titus
2:13; John 1:1,14; 20:28)? The Holy Spirit (Acts 5:3, 4)? Or God
(Deuteronomy 4:35; Isaiah, 45:18)?

3. Who created the world? The Father (Ephesians 3:9-14; 4:6)? The Son
(Colossians 1:16, 17; John 1:1-3)? The Holy Spirit (Genesis 1:2; Psalm
104:30)? Or God (Genesis 1:1; Hebrews 11:3)?

4. Who saves and regenerates man? The Father (1 Peter 1:3)? The Son (John
5:21, 4:14)? The Holy Spirit (John 3:6, Titus 3:5)? Or God (1 John 3:9)?

5. Who justifies man? The Father (Jeremiah 23:6, cf. 2 Corinthians 5:19)?
The Son (Romans 5:9; 10:4; 2 Corinthians 5:19, 21)? The Holy Spirit (1
Corinthians 6:11; Galatians 5:5)? Or God (Romans 4:6; 9:33)?

6. Who sanctifies man? The Father (Jude 1)? The Son (Titus 2:14)? The Holy
Spirit (1 Peter 1:2)? Or God (Exodus 31:13)?

7. Who propitiated God's just anger against man for his sins? The Father (1
John 4:14; John 3:16; 17:5; 18:11)? The Son (Matthew 26:28; John 1:29; 1
John 2:2)? The Holy Spirit (Hebrews 9:14)? Or God (2 Corinthians 5:19, 21;
Acts 20:28; 1 John 4:10)?

Thus, although one member of the Trinity may have a more prominent part in a
specific action or role such as creating, redeeming, etc., all three Persons
are still involved. What this means is that it is proper for purposes of
illustration to substitute (or include) any specific Person of the Trinity
in any event in the Old Testament or New Testament where the term "God" is
used. In fact, Scripture itself does this. In Acts 28:25-26 the Holy Spirit
is said to speak to Isaiah, but in Isaiah 6:8-9 the speaker of the same
words is said to be God.

In his Christian Theology, Millard J. Erickson offers six points that must
be included in a proper understanding of the doctrine of the Trinity:

1. There is only one God.

2. Each Person in the Godhead is equally deity.

3. The threeness and oneness of God constitute a paradox or an
antinomy-merely an apparent contradiction, not a genuine one. This is
because God's threeness and oneness do not exist in the same respect-i.e.,
they are not simultaneously affirming and denying the same thing at the same
time and in the same manner. God's oneness refers to the divine essence; His
threeness to the plurality of persons.

4. The Trinity is eternal-there have always been three persons, each of whom
is eternally divine. One or more of the Persons did not come into being at a
point in time or at some point in time became divine. There has never been
any change in the essential divine nature of the triune God. He is and will
be what He has always been forever.

5. The function of one member in the Trinity may for a time be subordinate
to one or both of the other members, although this does not mean He is in
anyway inferior in essence. Each Person of the Trinity has had, for a period
of time, a particular function unique to Himself. In other words, the
particular function that is sometimes unique to a given Person in the
Trinity is only a temporary role exercised for a given purpose. It does not
represent a change in His status or essence. When the second Person of the
Trinity incarnated and became Jesus Christ, He did not become less than the
Father, although He did become subordinate to the Father functionally. In
like manner, the Holy Spirit is now subordinated to the ministry of the Son
(John Chs. 14-16), as well as to the will of the Father, but He is not less
than they are.

Certain examples may illustrate this. A wife may have a subordinate role to
a husband, but she is also his equal. Equals in some business enterprise may
elect one of their number to serve as head or a chairperson for a period,
without any change in rank. During World War II, the highest ranking member
of an aircraft, the pilot, would nevertheless carefully subordinate his
decisions to the bombardier, a lower ranking officer.

6. Finally, as noted, the Trinity is incomprehensible. Even when we are in
heaven and fully redeemed, we will still not totally comprehend God because
it is impossible that a finite creature could ever comprehend an infinite
being: Thus, "Those aspects of God which we never fully comprehend should be
regarded as mysteries that go beyond our reason rather than as paradoxes
which conflict with reason."18

Indeed, the problems inherent in fully comprehending the doctrine of the
Trinity are also inherent in the Person of Jesus Christ. Thus, the doctrine
known as the hypostatic union assimilates all the biblical data in order to
accurately describe the nature of the Incarnation. It declares that Jesus is
undiminished deity and full humanity in one person. Jesus Christ is both God
and man. Jesus is not part human and part divine-he is fully man and fully
God.

Because of this He has two natures, one divine and one human. But He is not
two persons i.e., He is not schizophrenic. Further, He is one person with
two different kinds of consciousness (a divine consciousness and also a
human consciousness). Also, He is one person with two wills (if He truly has
two natures, then He must have two wills, one human and one divine),
however, Jesus Christ never had a conflict of wills.

Christ's two natures were not altered by their union within the one person
of Christ; both divine and human characteristics and deeds may be attributed
to the Person of Christ under any of His names whether they are divine or
human titles. Also, both the human and divine natures of Christ may be
manifested during a single event. Finally, the union of Christ's two natures
was not altered by His death, burial, resurrection or ascension but will
remain throughout eternity.19

The above material illustrates the importance of precision for accurately
formulating the biblical data-and also how easily misconceptions might arise
concerning the nature of God. This is why God encourages and commands us to
"Be diligent to present yourself approved to God as a workman who does not
need to be ashamed, handling accurately the word of truth" (2 Timothy 2:15).
Christians should therefore study the doctrine of the Trinity in order to
know how to effectively deal with the biblical data and answer the arguments
of those in opposition:

"And the Lord's servant must not quarrel; instead, he must be kind to
everyone, able to teach, not resentful. Those who oppose him he must gently
instruct, in the hope that God will grant them repentance leading them to a
knowledge of the truth, and that they will come to their senses and escape
from the trap of the devil, who has taken them captive to do his will" (2
Timothy 2:24-26).

Thomas a Kempis once stated Christian priorities eloquently when he wrote
what is also a fitting conclusion to this article:

"Grant to us, O Lord, to know that which is worth knowing, to love that
which is worth loving, to praise that which pleaseth Thee most, to esteem
that which is most precious unto Thee, and to dislike whatsoever is evil in
Thy eyes. Grant us with true judgment to distinguish things that differ, and
above all to search out and to do what is well pleasing unto Thee, through
Jesus Christ our Lord. Amen."

Notes

1 q.v., "Jesus Christ," Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, Aid to Bible
Understanding (Brooklyn, NY: Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, 1971), p.
918, p. 437; Anthony A. Hoekema, The Four Major Cults (Grand Rapids, MI:
Eerdmans, 1970), p. 295 citing Let God Be True (1952), p. 74.

2 Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, Things in Which It Is Impossible for
God to Lie (Brooklyn, NY: Watchtower Bible and Tract Society, 1965), p. 269.

3 C. T. Russell, Studies in the Scriptures - Vol. 7: The Finished Mystery,
p. 410 cited by Wilton M. Nelson and Richard K. Smith, "Jehovah's Witnesses"
in David J. Hesselgrave, ed., Dynamic Religious Movements: Case Studies of
Rapidly Growing Religious Movements Around the World (Grand Rapids: Baker,
1978), p. 181.

4 Cited by Charles S. Braden, These Also Believe: A Study of Modern American
Cults and Minority Religious Movements (New York: Macmillan, 1970), p. 371
quoting Judge Rutherford's Uncovered (Brooklyn, NY: WBTS, 1937), pp. 48-49;
Let God Be True (1946), pp. 82-83, 93.

5 See John Ankerberg, John Weldon, Everything You Ever Wanted to Know About
Mormonism (Eugene, OR: Harvest House, 1992), ch. 10.

6 Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine (Salt Lake City: Bookcraft, 1977), pp.
270, 576-77.

7 Mary Baker Eddy, Science and Health with Key to the Scriptures (Boston,
MA: The First Church of Christ, Scientist, 1971), pp. 256, 515.

8 Victor Paul Wierwille, Jesus Christ Is Not God (New Knoxville, OH:
American Christian Press, 1975), pp. 2-3, 6-7, 25.

9 Philip Schaff, ed., rev. by David S. Schaff, The Creeds of Christendom:
With a History and Critical Notes - Vol. 1: The History of the Creeds (Grand
Rapids: Baker Book House, 1983), pp. 39-40.

10 Ibid., p. 38.

11 Ibid., the Greek term was transliterated.

12 "Gregory of Nyssa.to Ablabius," in William G. Rusch, trans. and ed., The
Trinitarian Controversy (Philadelphia: Fortress Press, 1980), pp. 149,
151-52.

13 John H. Leith, Creeds of the Churches: A Reader in Christian Doctrine
from the Bible to the Present 3rd ed., (Atlanta: John Knox Press, 1982), pp.
30-31.

14 Ibid., p. 33, emphasis added.

15 J. G. Davies, The Early Christian Church: A History of Its First Five
Centuries (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 1980), 97.

16 Rusch, 2, emphasis added.

17 E. Calvin Beisner, God in Three Persons (Wheaton, IL: Tyndale, 1984).

18 Millard J. Erickson, Christian Theology (Grand Rapids, MI: Baker, 1986,
one vol. edition), pp. 337-338.

19 For a good discussion see Robert Glenn Gromacki, The Virgin Birth:
Doctrine of Deity (New York: Thomas Nelson, 1974), chs. 9, 11-13.


dolf

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Linda Freeman (lfreemanli...@webtv.net): "The Trinity, okay, now
we're past that! Jesus said if you believe me you are one with me and
one with the Father.

The Trinity is no longer a Trinity but a U N I T Y!--"Just so, when
mankind (male and female) ate the apple, they gain knowledge of
opposites. ADAM AND EVE HAVE THROWN THEMSELVES OUT OF THE GARDEN OF
TIMELESS UNITY, JUST BY THE ACT OF RECOGNIZING DUALITY."

(ru) dolf: "Only if its illogical orthodox religious crap: Of special
interest, though, has been the circumstance in which a[n incommensurate]
complex structure at the conceptual level [of bi-polar duality]--say, a
pair of constituent elements and the relation between them--is expressed
by a unitary syntactic constituent, such as by a single [causative]
clause. Such telescoped representation was termed 'conflation'. Such
conflation [or marriage] of a complex conceptual structure into a single
clause occurs extensively in the representation of the Motion situation
and of the causative situation." [Talmy, Vol I 2000:11]

Ken [Cyberstalker] Kellogg (flak...@aol.com): "[Its a]n anxiety
disorder characterized by uncontrollable, unwanted thoughts and
repetitive, ritualized behaviors you feel compelled to perform. If you
have OCD, you probably recognize that your obsessive thoughts and
compulsive behaviors are irrational � but even so, you feel unable to
resist them and break free.

Like a needle getting stuck on an old record, obsessive-compulsive
disorder (OCD) causes the brain to get stuck on a particular thought or
urge.

(Like always having to be the last person to post in the same thread)."

(ru) dolf: "Oh you've met Carl McCluskey then!"

Ken [Cyberstalker] Kellogg (flak...@aol.com): "While Chung may still
technically be a doctor, he has no real practice and no admitting
privileges. His psychological problems and accompanying delusions have
caused him to become a complete failure as a human being not to mention
being a spamming fuckwit.

Chung has collected many awards
Kook of the Month, (06/06)
Coward of the Month, (10/06)
Coward of the Month, (11/06)
Coward of the Month, (12/06)
Coward of the Month, (11/07)
Looney Maroon Award, (06/06) and a slew of others."

(ru) dolf: "And Michael Jackson doesn't do Thriller... hahaha!"

Linda Freeman (lfreemanli...@webtv.net): "What's important is
that you should be able to tell from the fruits of Christianity that as
of today, it really hasn't panned out. It has waxed and waned like a
leaf swaying in the wind.

Why? Because mankind continues to be afraid to step outside of tradition.

Nothing can cover the message of Jesus. Not even the writings of Paul or
the Old Testament Jews or anybody else.

God is a good guy! Why can't you understand that? What didn't sound good
about Him is the ideas that people came up with.

He wouldn't be responsible for the murder, starvation, disease, war,
etc., that He has been held responsible for. We are primitive and we
came up with that stuff!

Does it have to be a babe to convince you of what is soo simple to
understand?

I am walking with a Christian Discuss group now that is in sore need of
a lesson in philosophy and religious philosophy so that they may
understand how philosophy has played a part in the evolution of mans'
thinking.

If someone were to put something together and post it here I could share
it with my group. Perhaps it would serve to elevate their understanding
so that they could see the concreteness of the core message of the Bible
instead of making idols of the ignorant ideas of primitive men. I would
be ever so grateful! ""

"Before the beginning God planned. He planned something special,
something new. Something he had not done before. He planned to create.

For all eternity he had been alone. Throughout that span, he had done
nothing. There was nothing or no-one else for him to interact with.
Instead he had simply existed. And in that existence he had perfect
peace. He knew himself, understood himself, and rested in perfect
harmony with himself. However, within his mind dwelt infinity. And
throughout eternity he contemplated infinity.

At some point in those contemplations, something new came to him. It
came to him as his mind investigated the concept of mathematics.
Concepts had no tangible substance, yet existed in the mind. And
mathematics was one of the concepts that God delighted in. Its axioms
were true - its laws complete and absolute. And within this concept
something new came to him as he thought of the basic building blocks of
mathematics in relation to himself.

#0 � {ONE - LEGISLATIVE POWER}

and (ONE - TO MAKE LAWS FOR PEACE, ORDER, AND GOOD GOVERNMENT}

made {TWO - GOVERNOR GENERAL}

#15 {THREE - SALARY OF THE GOVERNOR GENERAL} �
#34 {FOUR - PROVISIONS RELATING TO THE GOVERNOR GENERAL} �
#65 {FIVE - SESSIONS OF PARLIAMENT, PROROGATION AND DISSOLUTION} �
#111 {SIX - YEARLY SESSION OF PARLIAMENT} �
#175 {SEVEN - THE SENATE} �
#260 {EIGHT - QUALIFICATION OF ELECTORS} �
#369 {NINE - METHOD OF ELECTION OF SENATORS} �
#Y2K {TEN - APPLICATION OF STATE LAWS} / #2000 / #6000 �

The Constitutional right to Marriage under the Australian Commonwealth
is defined by POWERS of PARLIAMENT under SECTION #51: "The Parliament
shall, subject to this Constitution, have power to make laws for the
peace, order, and good government of the Commonwealth with respect to:

i) trade and commerce with other countries, and among the States;
ii) taxation; but so as not to discriminate between States or parts of
States;
v) postal, telegraphic, telephonic, and other like services;
viii) astronomical and meteorological observations;
ix) quarantine;
xi) census and statics;
xiv) insurance, other than State insurance, also State insurance
extending beyond the limits of the State concerned;
xv) weights and measures;
xviii) copyrights, patents of inventions and designs, and trade marks;
xix) naturalization and aliens;
xx) foreign corporations, and trading or financial corporations formed
within the limits of the Commonwealth;
xxi) marriage;
xxii) divorce and matrimonial causes; and in relation thereto, parental
rights, and the custody and guardianship of infants.
xxiv) the service and execution throughout the Commonwealth of the civil
and criminal process and the judgments of the courts of the States;
xxv) the recognition throughout the Commonwealth of the laws, the public
Acts and records, and the judicial proceedings of the States;
xxvi) the people of any race for whom it is deemed necessary to make
special laws;
xxxvii) immigration and emigration;

He existed as one. There was no-one with him. However, within the laws
of mathematics one and one made two. That is where the idea was born.
What if there existed besides himself something else, something more
than the God who was one. His infinite mind considered the
possibilities. What else could exist apart from him? How would it come
into existence? What would it be like? And that is where the plan
began." [Daniel T.A. Daly, Chronicles of the Children of Destiny,
Prologue, Volume One �Morning Stars�]

According to media 2009.6.27 reports by Journalist Ian Munro (The Age):
VICTORIA'S mental health system is in crisis, state coroner David Drake
said yesterday while calling for sweeping changes in community care of
the mentally ill.

Mr Drake was reporting on the death of Andrew Curwood, 27, who was
stabbed to death by his paranoid schizophrenic flatmate at Ascot Vale on
December 9, 2005.

He said the decision to place Mr Curwood, who was schizophrenic,
outgoing and with a wide range of interests, with a young man who wanted
to live alone, who had a violent history and who had been diagnosed as
suffering a particularly severe schizophrenia that did not respond well
to medication, was "a mistake".

The outreach workers who made that decision were the least qualified to
assess the pair's suitability to live together, and the clinical teams
treating the men did not share information about their respective
patients. This meant that no one caring for Mr Curwood realised his life
was in danger, Mr Drake said.

"I find that the mental health system in this state is in crisis, in
that the availability of accommodation for persons suffering from
compromised mental health was and still is unsatisfactory at all
levels," he said.

"The spectre of there being no appropriate accommodation available for
people such as (Mr Curwood's killer) in the foreseeable future � served
to encourage what may be described as premature placements."

No serious follow-up was done to assess whether the two men were suited
to live together, although in August 2005, two days after Mr Curwood
moved in, his flatmate told a specialist he felt he would kill Mr
Curwood. The flatmate repeated the thought three times in the four
months they lived together.

http://www.theage.com.au/national/killing-highlights-a-system-in-crisis-20090626-czxf.html

- dolf
- http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/automata.html

dolf

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THE BIBLICAL COSMOLOGY (AS 10 COMMANDMENTS) IS ASSOCIATED TO A BALANCED
TERNARY DISTRIBUTED SYSTEM
"And after this law I made [Moses {Taken out; drawn forth} and the
Children of Israel {He who prevails with God; he who sees God}] know the
days of the Sabbath in the wilderness of Sin {Bush} which is between
Elim {The rams; the strong; stags} and Sinai {Bush; enmity}. And I also
related to you the Sabbaths of the land on Mount Sinai. And the years of
jubilee in the Sabbaths of years I related to you. But its year I have
not related to you ... on account of this I ordained for you the weeks
of years, and the years, and the jubilees as FORTY-NINE JUBILEES from
the days of Adam {Taken from 4 corners/ Earthy; red} until this day and
ONE WEEK AND TWO YEARS. [ie. 49J1W2D + 40 years = 49J7W where the
difference of 49.7 days occurs between the 365.2425 day topical year and
364 day religious calendars]

And there are still forty further years [as 5W5D given 6D = 2184 days as
the 2 x 1092 days of the 'oth-'wonders and signs' as being a 3 x 364 day
solar / 3 x 354 day lunar + 30 day intercalation cycle] to learn the
commands of the LORD until they cross over the shore of the land of
Canaan {Merchant; trader; or that humbles and subdues}, crossing over
the Jordan {The river of judgment: See also the Category of
Understanding #369 = #8, #300, #2, #4, #50, #5 as 'n. Thought of
Judgment'} to its western side."

"He brought them out, after he had shown wonders and signs in the land
of Egypt, and in the Red Sea, and in the wilderness forty years.

This is that Moses, who said to the children of Israel, 'The Lord your
God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brethren. Him
shall you hear.' This is he who was in the congregation in the
wilderness with the angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our
fathers, the one who received the living oracles to give to us, whom our
fathers would not obey, but rejected." [Acts 7:36-39 (NKJV]]

#1 = [the major premise {YANG/FATHER/HEAVEN/MALE/FORM - Formula of
Universal Law}, which contains the law of that will:

7 x 24 x 13 = 2184 days of the 'oth cycle = 6D or 6 x 364 associated to
the 'constant sequence of sun and moon' as 354 x 3 + 30 day
intercalation = 1092 days x 2 = 2184 days] +

#2 = [the minor premise {YIN/MOTHER/EARTH/FEMALE/MATTER - Formula of
Humanity - HEAD OF STATE}, which contains the command to behave in
accordance with the law, that is, the principle of subsumption under the
law:

x 49 = 6J or 294 x 364 days or 365.2425 x 293 years - Vernal Equinox
Wednesday 20 March 1996 / 21 March = 1 Nisan 5756; and] +

#3 = [the conclusion {ZHUN/SON/SEA/ENUMERATE/OFFSPRING - Formula of
Autonomy}, which contains the verdict (sentence), that is laid down as
right in the case at hand: ... 6,000 topical years as Telos ('achariyth
as 122J3W1D) = Arch (re'shiyth as 3W1D) + c� [9(9�+1)/2]:

has #369 with Septet #41 {ie. #81 - #27 - #9 - #3 - #1} centric on {ie.
20 March 1996 + (5*364) + 182 = 12 Sept 2001 as 1st day of 7th solar
month = #0 - Zero point} 13-17 September 2001 / 18 September = 1 Tishri
5762. ref: "On [Sunday 16 September as] the 1st day of the [21st
priestly] course of Jachin {he that strengthens and makes steadfast} on
the 29th day of lunar month, on the 5th day of the 7th solar month."
[4Q321]] +

#4 = 'OTH Chronological Elements = #10 as {Totality of Nature = Formula
of Progression of individual phenomena: #1 = {0: 1} + #2 = {0: -1, 1: 1}
+ #3 = {0: 0, 1: 1} + #4 = {0: 1, 1: 1} = #10 = {0: 1, 1: 0, 2: 1}}

vCube Balanced Ternary System distribution: #1 = {0: 1}; #41 = {0: -1,
1: -1, 2: -1, 3: -1, 4: 1}; #81 = (0: 0, 1: 0, 2:0, 3:0, 4:1}

ONE: 1, 2, 3
TWO: 0, 3, 6
THREE: 0, 9, 18
FOUR: 0, 27, 54 = Chinese Tetragrammation (Yang, Yin, Zhun) of Number
(Imperial Governance of male - dragon, female (consort) - phoenix: 206
BCE to 220 CE published 2 BCE); cf: [Deuteronomy 4:1-20]
FIVE: 0, 81, 369 = 9(9�+1)/2 - Organisation of the Myriad of things
SIX: 0, 243, 729 = Appraisals within vCube (9 x 9 x 9)
SEVEN: 0, 729, 2187 = 17 March (Saint Patrick's Day and ipso facto 25
March) + 2 x 'OTH CYCLE of 1092 (6 x 364 = 6D) days as Genesis and
substantiation of Christian identity.

"And jubilees will pass until Israel is purified from all the sin of
fornication, and defilement and uncleanness, and sin and error. And they
will dwell in confidence in all the land. And then it will not have any
Satan or any evil (one). And the land will be purified from that time
and forever." [Jubilees 50:1-5]

If language has a semiotic basis in cosmology, this chronological
polarity shift at the time of Moses and the giving of the Ten
Commandments, has an equivalence in about #34 CE onwards--it is very
likely that such kinetic projections, loss of motor control and
autonomic auditory hallucinations, were all manifest by geist (or should
I say poltergeist) phenomenon--are entirely deterministic preverbal
cosmological rules, whose occurrence is then like a ribbon in time, as
threshold crossed with its arriving: "And suddenly there came a sound
from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house
where they were sitting.

And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat
upon each of them.

And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with
other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

And there were dwelling at Jerusalem Jews, devout men, out of every
nation under heaven.

Now when this was noised abroad, the multitude came together, and were
confounded, because that every man heard them speak in his own language.
And they were all amazed and marvelled, saying one to another, Behold,
are not all these which speak Galilaeans {wheel; revolution}?

And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?

Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and
in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia, Phrygia, and Pamphylia,
in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome,
Jews and proselytes, Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our
tongues the wonderful works of God.

And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another,
'What meaneth this?' Others mocking said, 'These men are full of new wine.'

But Peter {a rock or stone}, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his
voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea {the praise of the Lord;
confession}, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem {vision of peace:
hrumachis / chronos}, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third
hour of the day.

But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel {he that wills or
commands}; And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will
pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters
shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men
shall dream dreams: And on my servants and on my handmaidens I will pour
out in those days of my Spirit; and they shall prophesy..." [Acts 2:2-18
(KJV)]

The Kabbalistic mechanistic notion presented here, is that each of the
unique 729 x 2 = 1458 (male/female) appraisals and Dynamic Natural
Associators within the systems hierarchical and celestial core, operate
as daemons or dialectic temporal containers. Which is distinct from any
chronological steeping and calendaring or the New Testament era
millenium orientation of them as the hierarchical series of magic
squares: #0 � #15 � #34 � #65 � #111 � #175 � #260 � #369 � #Y2K / #2000
/ #6000 with its inherent #364 day / #365 day and #294 x 364 = 293 x
365.2425 / #400 contention and its Super Ego (HETEROS-Number marriage
binary apparatus of planetary mysticism) mechanised autonomic
transformative gnostic process of extrusion as the "different substance
or hypostasis" employed by Roman Imperial / Religious Governance as the
world created and ruled by a lesser divinity, the demiurge as ogliarch.
That the oligarchy ("the rule of the few") or the ecclesiatical
hierarchy of the Roman Catholic city-state, have often become
instruments of transformation, by insisting upon monarchs ("the rule of
the one") or dictators share power or giving credibility and impetus to
that process of change, such as occurred by the 20 July 1933 signing of
the Concordat with the German Reich, thereby opening the door to
governance by other 'party' elements of society.

Such osmosis of ideas and competence on individual and collective
consciousness is made entirely possible by the common linguistic,
volitive and universal origins of nomenclature. A notion equally
applicable to homeopathy from my view of the public Internet discussion
so far, regarding its mechanism of practice. As it is for an oncologist
managing chemotherapy treatment procedures--that these systems tend to
all have Kabbalistic paradigms as their semiotic basis. The Caduceus is
such a symbol, whose history of common usage, serves as a suitable
parable on confusion over what constitutes sin:

"As god of the high-road and the market-place Hermes was perhaps above
all else the patron of commerce and the fat purse: as a corollary, he
was the special protector of the traveling salesman. As spokesman for
the gods, he not only brought peace on earth (occasionally even the
peace of death), but his silver-tongued eloquence could always make the
worse appear the better cause. From this latter point of view, would not
his symbol be suitable for certain Congressmen, all medical quacks, book
agents and purveyors of vacuum cleaners, rather than for the
straight-thinking, straight-speaking therapist? As conductor of the dead
to their subterranean abode, his emblem would seem more appropriate on a
hearse than on a physician's car." [ref: Wikipedia 2009:Confusion with
the Caduceus]

Rabbi Jaakov Feldman (Project Genesis) comments that even the Kabbalah
sephirot -- the very building blocks of all cosmic reality, �are (only)
one of the mechanisms that the Supreme Will wanted to present His laws
through�, that their use is "not intrinsic to Him, but (rather) a
mechanism that He willfully chose" among an infinite number of them. As
such, nothing is other than as He wills it to be and that His choice of
the makeup of the cosmos was also on purpose and is just one of an
infinite number of possible cosmic makeups He might have opted for. For,
not only are the laws of nature one of His "inventions", but the very
fact that there�d be "nature� (ie. process, function, components,
properties, etc.) at all is an idea of His that wasn�t at all mandatory!
[(c) 2009 Rabbi Jaakov Feldman, Ramchal: Da at Tevunot -- The Knowing
Heart Section 1, Chapter 18]

We can think of the mechanistic and deterministic sinful nature against
the autonomic process of right to life in which human beings routinely
engage, as functionally equivalent to the lint filter within a clothes
dryer. And to illustrate this by drawing your attention to the
remarkable attributed correspondence which these have to the character
of the Gospel narratives, I have recently added the meta descriptors for
those Categories of Understanding which don't have a temporal connection:

var META_NONTEMPORAL = {
72: {}, 75: {}
143: {}, 148: {}, 184: {}, 196: {},
205: {}, 208: {}, 209: {}, 212: {}, 221: {}, 225: {}, 227: {}, 243:
{}, 258: {},
305: {},
422: {}, 442: {}, 463: {}, 464: {}, 487: {},
501: {}, 508: {}, 510: {}, 515: {}, 519: {}, 525: {}, 530: {}, 531:
{}, 534: {}, 535: {}, 536: {}, 547: {}, 564: {}, 569: {}, 573: {}, 574:
{}, 583: {}, 584: {}
}

There is then an ability for us to look at each of the dialectic
containers or daemon in which this notional manifest of 'sin' occurs by
using the vCube.html document with the ?telos:422 and ?zen:7,nous:65
search options.

Considering then, the Natural and Common Law precedent for regarding
these META_NONTEMPORAL {} deterministic Categories of Understanding as
operating within an economic capacity as function {ie. The emergence and
articulation of a temporal, knowledge management paradigm as pivotal
upon the events of: 11 September 2001 + 'OTH Cycle (#2184 days) + #500 =
16 January 2009} under the Sovereign State, is an equivalency to our
earlier discussion of meta descriptor [#174 / #209 - Good or #174 / #142
- Bad] inclination and moral dichotomy associated with the allotment of
Crown Land title--deeds [#209 - #8 #200 #1 = To ease the bowels;
excrements, dung] under the colonies as nomarchy in 1852 and the
liabilities of Section IX [#142 - #40, #6, #90, #1, #5 = Out-goings,
descents or lineages; privies or sewers] in the Letters Patent of 1900
to the Australian Commonwealth of 1901, it may well be a case of the
Lieutenant Governor exercising the natural, regulative and metempirical
principles of good governance as �certain powers, functions, and
authorities� declared to be vested within �the office of Governor
General and Commander in chief over Our said Commonwealth of Australia�.

As teleological circumscribing the Letters Patent associated to a
�private� status of a carriageway adjoining the North Melbourne exchange
the acrostic ethical overlay for the �OTH CYCLE, and of a 27 September
2001 .jackNote@zen: 4, row: 5, col: 7, nous: 63 [Super: #317 / #26 -
Ambiguous Reversals/ Virtue of Gravity; I-Ching: H3 - Initial
Difficulties; Tetra: 3 - Mired, Ego: #232 / #63 - Origins in Reversal/
Consider Beginnings; I-Ching: H51 - Thunderclap; Tetra: 62 - Doubt]
requirement for the attendance of the ambulance service at St Andrews
Street, North Melbourne�due to breaches of building security and
trans-substantive adverse reactions to Telstra�s construction in August
1999.

The Grapple Homoiotic Noumenon, is after all, a transexperiental and
transpersonal object onto which time stamped phenomenon is referred, as
to the basis or cause of its sense content. And as a heuristic {ie. a
method of solving problems for one which no algorithm is considered to
exist and which therefore depends on inductive reasoning from past
experience of similar problems} attributed to a chronological (24 hr day
/ topical year / Telos [122J3W1D] = Arch [3W1D] + c� [9(9�+1)/2)])
hermeneutical overlay as behavioral 'a priori', it may be considered in
and of itself a jurisprudent determination as to the integrity of
statements and whether, as the measure of their categorical nature, are
compliant with the natural, regulative free-will and metempirical
principles of our legislation as jurisprudent framework and accordingly
our human, religious and Australian Constitutional rights.

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THE BIBLICAL COSMOLOGY (AS 10 COMMANDMENTS) IS ASSOCIATED TO A BALANCED

According to media 2009.6.27 reports by Journalist Ian Munro (The Age):

http://www.theage.com.au/national/killing-highlights-a-system-in-crisis-20090626-czxf.html

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-- TAKEN FROM THE DAY

Today I went to the Chinese Gardens and gave them a copy of my virtual
cube--we discussed the possibility that as a paradigm of empire, it
ought to be possible to overly and orient the virtual Cube in a similar
manner and then observe the phenomenal events in the garden accordingly.

I had to pick up a newspaper which someone had left as litter by the
Rock Forest and the Tale of 'Ashima and the Landlord.'

"So spoke they to the king of Assyria {who is happy; or walks; or
looks}, saying: 'The nations who you have removed and placed in the
cities of Samaria {watch-mountain} do not know the rituals of the God of
the land; therefore he has sent lions among them, and indeed, they are
killing them because they do not know the rituals of the God of the land.

Then the king of Assyria commanded saying, 'Send there one of the
priests who you brought from there; let him go and dwell there, and let
him teach them the rituals of the God of the land.

Then one of the priests whom they had carried away from Samaria came and
dwelt in Bethel {the house of God}, and taught them how they should fear
the LORD.

However every nation continued to make gods of its own, and put them in
the houses of the high places which the Samaritans had made, every
nation in the cities where they dwelt.

The men of Babylon {confusion; mixture} made Succoth Benouth {the tents
of daughters, or young women; or prostitutes}, the men of Cuth {burning}
made Nergel {the great man; the hero}, and the men of Hamath {anger;
heat; a wall} made Ashima {crime; offense}, and the Avites {wicked,
perverse} made Nibhaz {budding; prophesying} and Tartak {chained; bound;
shut up}; and the Sepharvites {the two books; the two scribes} burned
their children in fire to Adrammelech {the cloak, glory, grandeur or
power of the king} and Anammelech {answer; poverty of the king}, the
gods of Sepharvaim.

So they feared the LORD, and from every class they appointed fro
themselves priests of the high places , who sacrificed for them in the
shrines of the high places. They feared the LORD, yet served their own
gods--according to the rituals of the nations from among whom they were
carried away." [2 Kings 17:26-33]

Following that I went to the circular void statue, with a plaque dated
28 April 2006 commemorating workers who were either injured on the job
or taken from the day and failed to return home as International Day of
Mourning.

Bowing momentarily before the statue to the accompaniment of La Chicane
Saltwater celtic lyrics...

Open my eyes
Bigger
Listen to the melody
Swimming in Saltwater

Fol lol the doh fol the day
Fol lol the doh fol the day
Fol lol the doh fol the day
Fol lol the doh fol the day

Open my eyes
Saltwater rain
Open my eyes

Go on
Come in
Go on
Come in
Cleanse yourself
Go on
Come in

Our lifeforce
Our people's nation/our wild stormy nights

Fol lol the doh fol the day
Fol lol the doh fol the day
Fol lol the doh fol the day
Fol lol the doh fol the day

Open my eyes
Saltwater rain
Open my eyes
No more inside
Saltwater rain
Open my eyes

I was still listening to this when I came across some skateboarders
doing a competition in a building just off George Street near the
townhall--I stopped momentarily to see what was grasping the attention
of their monkeys, when I was approached a security guard (a Polynesian
Gorilla) who asked me to move.

I said, I'll do better than that I'll depart.

I had to ask him whether he muttered a curse under his breath--which he
denied.

Before leaving I commented to a youth who was part of the skateboarding
group on how antisocial the skateboarders were--he cursed at me.

Nous: #39
Time: 11:45 hrs
Date: 2009.9.19
Torah: #6 #5 #6 %81 = #17
Dao: Achieving Oneness, Root of Order
Tetra: #76 - Aggravation
I-Ching: H28 - Excess

Latin: Mirabilis {Great & High God} Alt: Natahyah {The Cutting of God} {
1. HELPS FIND PEACE AGAINST TROUBLE
2. GREAT PERSONALITIES
3. HUMILITY
4. Reno
}
Zerubbabel {Offspring of Babylon/A stranger at Babylon; dispersion of
confusion}

Strata Super (male): #505
39 #39 Achieving Oneness, Root of Order
117 #78 Recognizing Fidelity, Trust in Faith
144 #27 Greatest Functional Skill in Paradoxes
217 #73 Employing Deeming, Daring to Act
284 #67 Three Treasures
325 #41 Playing with Reversal, Sameness in Difference
397 #72 Self-Love, Holding Oneself Dear
448 #51 Natural Guides and Nursing Virtuosity
505 #57 Laissez Faire Politics, Simplicity In Habits

4 Categories
#40, #300, #100, #5, #20, #30, #10 Drinking-vessels
#40, #400, #50, #10, #5 n. Gift of Yah
#5, #90, #100, #10, #300 To make or declare perverse

#505 English Words: anterior; around; attire; circus; connubial;
defrauder; disinfection; double-reed; evader; full-scale; glucose;
hamstring; indemnification; javelin; languish; living; motet; mouse;
move; navigable; noncritical; nonelectric; phonetics; pilaster;
plastered; pulse; reeve; rooter; sappiness; scapula; scruff;
self-propelled; shrug; slough; stet; surface; teeter; test;
thin-skinned; threshold; totem; unbridgeable; unearned; vendible

Strata Ego (female): #381
39 #39 Achieving Oneness, Root of Order
78 #39 Achieving Oneness, Root of Order
108 #30 Government without Coercion, Be Chary of War
154 #46 Guiding Contentment, Moderation of Desire
229 #75 Destructive Envy, Harmed Through Greed
284 #55 Abstruse Mysterious Signs
315 #31 Military Stratagem, Quelling War
375 #60 Skill Rulership, Maintain One's Place
381 #6 Female Superiority, Completion of Form

8 Categories
#1, #300, #80 To use magic
#1, #300, #80 Magician, enchanter
#5, #6, #300, #70 n. Deliverance, --- earlier name of Joshua
#40, #10, #300, #1, #30 n. Who is What God is?
#40, #100, #50, #5, #40, #100, #6, #40 Pasture country
#5, #2, #100, #200, #70, #4 Until the morning (exclusive)
#70, #300, #5, #6 His maker

#381 English Words: affiliation; ammeter; bonito; chunk;
companionable; debunk; decimation; dentifrice; designate; dishonor;
disposable; dogcatcher; egoist; eternal; flume; forenoon; fulfil;
godfather; gooseflesh; heathendom; hesitance; highlighter; hostage;
medication; mulch; niceties; octagon; personae; peseta; pigment;
pitchman; plaintiff; politic; practice; predict; qua; realness;
referrer; reproof; seamless; shenanigans; shoehorn; slant; slipshod;
stogie; ulna

I'm still playing the melody an hour later...

"And the LORD rejected all the descendants of Israel {he that sees God;
he who prevails with God}, afflicted them, and delivered them into the
hand of plunderers, until he had cast them from his sight. For he tore
Israel from the house of David {well beloved; dear}, and they made
Jeroboam {he that opposes the people} the son of Nebat {that beholds}
king. Then Jeroboam drove Israel from following the LORD, and made them
commit a great sin.

For the children of Israel walked in all the sins of Jeroboam which he
did; they did not depart from them, until the LORD removed Israel out of
his sight, as he had said by all his servants the prophets.

So Israel was carried away from their own land to Assyria, as it is to
this day." [2 Kings 17:20-23]

"Isn't it barbaric to impale citizens on their national symbols as
former Victorian Premier Steve Bracks and Thwaites have sought to do--be
it an ANZAC Day memorial stone as idea imported from Egypt or a
crucifix? This view religious, racial and sexual vilification by
Australians is further sustained by a circular void statue accompanying,
with a plaque dated 28 April 2006 commemorating workers who were either
asbestos disease victims, injured on the job or taken from the day and
failed to return home as International Day of Mourning."
Bad karma I thought, is now going to come your way on this the Sabbath
day and you will never be forgiven.

- dolf
- http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/kangaroo.html


Carl <sai...@nettally.com> wrote:
> This article by John Ankerberg & John Weldon explains in detail why the
> Biblical doctrine of the Holy Trinity is indeed a vital belief for
> Christians to understand.
>

Raymond

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Jun 27, 2009, 3:28:20 AM6/27/09
to
On Jun 27, 11:55 am, "Carl" <sai...@nettally.com> wrote:

> This article by John Ankerberg & John Weldon explains in detail why the
> Biblical doctrine of the Holy Trinity is indeed a vital belief for
> Christians to understand.

Since when does GOD now means only Trinity and now the Trinity is a
vital,when it is God that is the Vital belief. Sounds like a cover up
for a teaching that has been accepted as truth, and then is
questioned, and is not a vital belief by itself. God is God, trinity
or Holy Trinity is only a term people have made up to explain their
concept of God.

Just like the Oneness doctrine or the Trinity doctrine nether of them
makes up what God is, and how God became God etc. God believe in God
the Creator the Almighty is what Christians have to understand and
accept, not a doctrine made up in school or classrooms, or in the mind
of a finite man. We can say I believe in Trinity or One God and end
up with Three what ever you need to explain how confused one is by
bring in such teachings.

It seems like today, a person is off the hook if they say they believe
in a Trinity as others that they believe in the ONENESS of God which
both sides will say The trinity is One God but the Oneness Pentecostal
says the same they believe in One God or the Oneness of God. I would
dare say it is vital to believe Jesus is the Lord and He is also God
as well as a man "son of man" and that only redemption is by the blood
of Jesus for all mankind if they accept Jesus, it is JESUS it is not a
belief in the trinity.

I could say more, only Carl has let it be known that he is not
responsible for what ever he post in these newsgroups.

Raymond
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>
> May God bless,
> Carl
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