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Chullin 94 - More Jewish 'Distinction' Toward Gentiles. (Jews Allowed to Lie Included) U_0102

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Jan 2, 2006, 6:28:32 PM1/2/06

Classic Repost from 9/30/1998

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Attention Lurkers! Attention! Many Jews try to convince others the Kol Nidre
only allows for vows to be broken with God and they insist that this does not
mean lying to others but now that I have introduced this you all should look for
this passage from what Jews write below:

"(The Damesek Eliezer adds that if a person has an enemy, he may
falsely impress him in order to make peace -- see Bava Metzia 87a.)
-ZW" (In other words- Lie to him! Tavish comment)

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http://www.shemayisrael.co.il/dafyomi2/chulin/insites/ch-dt-094.html
(New link active November 18, 2003. Archived locally as: DAFch-dt-094)

Chullin 94

1.SENDING A "YERECH" TO A NON-JEW
•Question: According to Abayye and Rava, the Braissa tells us that one
may send a non-Jew a full or cut Yerech in a place where they don't
announce the presence of Neveilos, or where it was announced that a
Neveilah is present in the market today. Why don't we prohibit the
sale for the two reasons mentioned earlier in the Sugya (beginning of
94a) in explanation of the Mishnah which prohibits such a sale, that
is, either that a Jew watching the non-Jew receive a Yerech from a Jew
will feel free to buy the Yerech from the non-Jew that received it, or
that the Jew is fooling the non-Jew into thinking that he received a
kosher piece of meat?

•Answer:
a.RASHI (DH Gezeirah) explains that this Braissa argues with the
Mishnah and is not worried about watchful Jewish buyers (nor about
fooling a non-Jew) when sending meat to a non-Jew's house as a
personal present b.TOSFOS (DH Amar) suggests that Abayye and Rava
understood our Mishnah differently -- as did the first answer of the
Gemara on 94a. They learned that the Mishnah was dealing with a market
in which the presence of Nevelos was not announced. As for fooling a
non-Jew, letting the non-Jew think it is kosher meat is prohibited
only in a sale, in which the non-Jew thought that he was paying for
one thing, and received another thing, but not when sending the
non-Jew a present. c.RABBENU TAM (quoted in the same Tosfos) explains
that we are only afraid a Jew will repurchase the meat, or that the
non-Jew will be fooled, when the Jew who sends him the meat specifies
that it is kosher (and it really is not). This is what happened in the
Mishnah's case. The Braissa is allowing one to send a Yerech to a
non-Jew only when you do not specify to him that it is kosher.

2.HALACHAH: GENEIVAS DA'AS
•Question: The Gemara explains that we do Hachrazah by saying that
there is meat available for non-Jewish butchers to buy. The Gemara
then asks why we do not specifically mention that the meat is a
Treifah, to which the Gemara replies that the butchers would not buy
the meat if they were told that it was from a Treifah. The Gemara
asks, if so we are misleading them by not mentioning the fact that it
is a Treifah, and it answers that the buyers are misleading
themselves.

Why, then, was it prohibited to open a barrel of wine which was sold
to a storekeeper, for a guest (94a)? If the guest thinks that you are
wasting an entire barrel on him, he is just misleading himself?

•Answer:
a.RASHI (DH Inhu) explains that it is only prohibited to open a barrel
for a guest if one lies to the guest and tells him that the barrel is
being opened solely in honor of the guest.

b.TOSFOS (DH Inhu) explains that it all depends on the likelihood
involved. In the case of opening barrels, there is no reason to assume
that these barrels were sold to a dealer. Therefoe, if he opened them
and gave his guest wine without mentioning that they were sold he is
misleading the guest. However, in a case where there are reasonable
grounds to assume a fact, it does not have to be spelled out. That is
why when a Jew publicizes that he has meat for a non-Jewish butcher to
buy, he does not have to spell out any more.

The SHULCHAN ARUCH (Choshen Mishpat 228:6) rules that one is not
allowed to mislead his friend into thinking that he did something for
him if he did not. For example: He should not plead with his friend to
eat with him if he knows that his friend has no intention of eating by
him... but if it is an act that his friend should realize was not done
for him, he is not obliged to tell the friend.

(The Damesek Eliezer adds that if a person has an enemy, he may
falsely impress him in order to make peace -- see Bava Metzia 87a.)
-ZW

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<END>

Need I say more? The above is what Jews teach about the rest of humanity as well
as the bigoted teachings in these archives:

NOW FOR WHAT THE TRUE RACIST BIGOTS TEACH TODAY:
(Excerpts from the archives below)

From: "Jews Want Legal and Financial Superiority Over the Non-Jew; Who is NOT a
"Brother" in Their Eyes!":

Deuteronomy 15:2,3 :: New International Version (NIV)
2 This is how it is to be done: Every creditor shall cancel the loan he has made
to his fellow Israelite. He shall not require payment from his fellow Israelite
or brother, because the LORD's time for canceling debts has been proclaimed.
3 You may require payment from a foreigner, but you must cancel any debt your
brother owes you.

FOREIGNER=GENTILE

Here are Jews proving FOREIGNER=GENTILE=NON-JEW=HEATHEN:

http://216.239.39.104/search?q=cache:HLx2iy_HSsQC:www.torahcc.org/mishna/5762/21-10-01/shabbat.htm+non-Jew+foreigner&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
(Archived locally as: 21-10-01_shabbat)
http://web.archive.org/web/20021118135324re_/www.torahcc.org/mishna/5762/21-10-01/shabbat.htm
(New active link for January 28, 2004. Archived locally as: 21-10-01-shabbat_2
and as: Torah Community Connections Mishna Yomit.htm [This web archive is
complete with all graphics.])

Week 100 - Shabbat - 27 October 2001

BAVA METZIA: CHAPTER 5: MISHNAH 6

One may not accept an ironclad investment from an Israelite, since it is
interest, but one may accept an ironclad investment from heathens. Furthermore,
one may borrow from them and loan to them with interest. The same applies to a
resident alien. An Israelite may loan the money of a heathen with the approval
of the heathen, but not with the approval of an Israelite...

But one may accept an ironclad investment from heathens - since it is permitted
to loan to a non-Jew for interest...

<END>

From: V2.1b Non-Jew Can't Pour Wine for a Jew -- Only a Fellow Jew Can!...

"We are not allowed to drink any wine or grape juice, or any drink
containing wine or grape juice, which has been touched by a non Jew
after the seal of the bottle has been opened.."

"Boiled wine is really for use when a non-Jew would be in the position of
pouring a cup for a Jew. At the seder, that shouldn't be an issue, as your cup
should be poured by a fellow Jew at the table."

"Wine contacted by an idolator at any stage of its preparation is the
basis to prohibit its consumption by a Jew... Kosher wine has two categories.
First is “not mevushal” which means it has not been cooked or boiled. It is
acceptable for a non Jew to handle the bottle as long as the seal is intact.
Once the seal is broken non Jews are prohibited access. The second category is
“mevushal.” The presumption is that wine boiled after pressing is not associated
with pagan use."

<END>

From: Bigotry by Jews Toward Non-Jews (Wine Bigotry) New Findings [In Their Own
Words Series]

"...Yayin Akum - wine touched by a non-Jew: Rabbis prohibited (even to derive
benefit from) the wine of a Jew if it was touched and moved (or even if it may
have been touched) by a non-Jew..."

" If some wine has been extracted from the grapes pressed in a tank, be it even
only a small quantity, or if some wine has been taken out of it into a vessel,
the entire contents of the tank is legally called wine, and it becomes forbidden
by the touch of a non-Jew even if only the kernels or the husks have been
touched. It is, therefore, forbidden to make use of the tanks of grapes found in
the house of a non-Jew, for it is likely that the non-Jew has already extracted
some wine from it. It is forbidden to let a non-Jew press grapes in a tank, even
if such a tank is provided with a stopper.
We must also be careful not to let a non-Jew remove the kernels and the husks
from the wine-press, even after we have already extracted the first and second
wine from it, as they might still be moist with wine.
If a non-Jew has poured water into wine with the intention of diluting it, we
are not allowed to drink from it. But if he had not intended to dilute it, or
even it if is only doubtful whether he has intended to do so, its use is
permissible.
If a non-Jew touches wine by means of something else (not a part of his
body), or if it is touched through his power, a rabbi should be consulted as to
the fitness of the wine.
When we send wine through a non-Jew, we must take the precaution of doubly
sealing the mouth or the faucet of the vessel.
There are many diverse laws regarding the wine that a Jew makes for a
non-Jew, for the purpose of selling it to Jewish consumers. In certain
instances, even double seals and a lock are of no avail. It is necessary to
consult an ordained rabbi as to what procedure to follow in such a case. The
scrupulous should avoid the use of such wine." <END>

<<Tavish comment: Those last two paragraphs should clue the truly clueless in on
how much Jews trust non-Jews!!!>>

Notice Jews teach that the rest of humanity are heathen and pagans!! Is that not
bigoted and hate mongering?

--Jewish Tradition will NEVER teach Non-Jews as being equals--
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/7bc330f46b155abb
Subject: Non-Jews: What is Taught About Them & How They are Viewed by 21st
Century Pharisees V3.0 T_0730
Message-ID: <8rgme19f1dh18o4ak...@4ax.com>
Date: 30 Jul 2005 09:20:42 GMT
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/36480e0b80694471
Subject: Bigotry by Jews Toward Non-Jews (Wine Bigotry) New Findings [In Their
Own Words Series] V3.0 S_0206 Date: Fri, 06 Feb 2004 10:14:23 -0600
Message-ID: <jne720pakjho7ogu4...@4ax.com>
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.religion.christian.lutheran/msg/850897cf461e635f
Subject: All Men Are Created Equal is NOT a Jewish Concept
Date: Wed, 11 Jun 2003 08:27:38 -0500
Message-ID: <b6beevshh8dcr43hk...@4ax.com>
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/4db5aaa7c28e706c
Subject: Jews Want Legal and Financial Superiority Over the Non-Jew; Who is NOT
a "Brother" in Their Eyes! V2.0b S_0128
Message-ID: <cv3i10h7uqn08niug...@4ax.com>
Date: 29 Jan 2004 14:21:07 GMT
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/a527bbc7dd9d2cb7
Subject: Bigoted Reasoning of Jews on Relations with Non-Jews From Chabad
Lubavitch Cyberspace Website
Message-ID: <ejoodv8ba5n1ja6k5...@4ax.com>
Date: Tue, 03 Jun 2003 04:19:19 -0500
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/18d77c37f152f53f
Subject: Exclusion Entirely of Non-Jews in the Jewish Scheme of Things! R_0426
Message-ID: <3eaade4a...@tavish-central.net>
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 19:30:53 GMT
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/15599d968cf0ba64?fwc=1
Subject: Lessons in Tanya- Hasidism - Only Jews Have Souls & Heavenly
Pre-Earthly Existence? T_0729
Date: Fri, 29 Jul 2005 20:58:45 GMT
Message-ID: <42ea9856....@news.tavish-central.net>
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.revisionism/msg/058c607f3cdf10b2?fwc=1
Subject: What Jews Teach About non-Jews and Their Souls (In Their Own Words)
V2.0 UPDATED T_0730
Message-ID: <nc4oe1l0r7ffpr934...@4ax.com>
Date: 31 Jul 2005 00:02:29 GMT
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/f51548f9d5d101a0
Subject: UPDATED LINKS!! About Kashrus and Supervision - What Jews Teach
Concerning non-Jews (In Their Own Words Series) V2.0 S_0114
Message-ID: <vf6a00t3gfv5fs3mt...@4ax.com>
Date: 14 Jan 2004 10:40:16 GMT
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/365592fafca54ceb
Subject: V2.1b Non-Jew Can't Pour Wine for a Jew -- Only a Fellow Jew Can!
(Classic Repost) New Links Added! S_0114
Message-ID: <6q6a00l6th5th925j...@4ax.com>
Date: 14 Jan 2004 10:39:48 GMT
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http://groups-beta.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/fff2dd48866e66d6
Subject: Jews Are Self Admitted "Separatists" and Aliens In Whatever Nation They
Reside In! V3.0b S_0110
Date: Sat, 10 Jan 2004 22:40:23 -0600
Message-ID: <hhi10010pfq6v2nas...@4ax.com>
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See how the material in the archive below relates to the archive just above:
http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.palestine/msg/6f80c57b5b3a1d25
Subject: Gentiles Used by Jews for Business Gains? S_0208
Message-ID: <4026ec2e....@tavish-central.net>
Date: 9 Feb 2004 02:08:30 GMT
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/f5ce35db89852187?fwc=1
Subject: Leading rabbi says key hummus ingredient not kosher when prepared by
non-Jews (More Jewish Bigotry Toward the Rest of Humanity!)
Message-ID: <hvr6d1d3f99t8rjht...@4ax.com>
Date: 12 Jul 2005 07:38:38 GMT
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http://groups.google.com/group/alt.conspiracy/msg/26926c9c7aa3cecb?fwc=1
Subject: Is My Prom Date Kosher? (More Jewish Bigotry Toward Non-Jews Exposed)
T_0822 Message-ID: <utpjg1dj7uiv40svq...@4ax.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Aug 2005 09:57:13 -0500

If anyone is under the false delusion that Jews view non-Jews as equal then the
above should give them some very serious material to think about. The Jewish
Agenda is world domination and one only needs to look at the Modern State of
Israel to see what Jews envision for the rest of humanity from their staging
ground Israel.

Jews prophesying non-Jews being in servitude to Jews:

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/ae970b4f2d934e0d?fwc=1
Subject: Anti-Christ Lubavitcher Jews Prophesy Non-Jews Being in Servitude to
Jews V3.0 T_0801
Message-ID: <bnkte15rvk07iiepm...@4ax.com>
Date: 2 Aug 2005 02:11:12 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/b5065dc88d9bc19f?fwc=1
Subject: "All non-Jews will willfully serve (the Divine purpose of) the Jewish
people." (In The Rebbe's Very Own EXACT Words!!) V2.1c S_0114
Message-ID: <ft2a0097vngqsbj9l...@4ax.com>
Date: 14 Jan 2004 10:39:32 GMT

One only needs to look at the Modern State of Israel to see what is taking place
in the staging ground for world conquest!!

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/3d9a75bb20795c52
Subject: Palestine was Changed to a Socialist Jewish State in 1948 by Ben-Gurion
with Communist Soviet Union's Support V4-0 T_0728
Message-ID: <qfqie1pqg5595f1bb...@4ax.com>
Date: 28 Jul 2005 23:47:06 GMT

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.nationalism.white/msg/75f209a402a1ad67
Subject: Who says Socialism and Communism aren't the same and are adhered to by
the same people? CP USA Speaks out! V2.5 S_0629
Message-ID: <gpu2e09d520ab2gkc...@4ax.com>
Date: 29 Jun 2004 15:48:54 GMT
The above archive proves that communists use socialism as a transitory stage to
a communist state and in their own words too I might add!