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Sue
Apr 20, 2005, 1:47:12 PM4/20/05
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Question for those who home church: How do you tithe?
Thanks - Sue
BarryAC
Apr 24, 2005, 7:39:29 PM4/24/05
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Hello Sue, God bless you.
My wife Malvina and myself are new to hc, at the moment we hold a Bible
study meeting on Sat. evenings. Our house is open, we are not rich, we offer
a drink and a snack, we ask for nothing except to meet in the name of Jesus.
We have no aspirations to accumulate capital to build our own church (i.e. a
physical structure with a roof!). Where we go from here is entirely
according to God's will. We visit ic's and give freely as the spirit moves
us. I enjoy the big ceremonial services, and would gladly pay for an
admission ticket as with any large professional stage performance or
concert. However, I ask that an ic does not insult my intellect by referring
to tithing, and suggest that I am robbing God. (I understand Malachi was
talking to the priests, not the laity). In the blessed name of Jesus, Barry
and Malvina AC.
My wife Malvina and myself are new to hc, at the moment we hold a Bible
study meeting on Sat. evenings. Our house is open, we are not rich, we offer
a drink and a snack, we ask for nothing except to meet in the name of Jesus.
We have no aspirations to accumulate capital to build our own church (i.e. a
physical structure with a roof!). Where we go from here is entirely
according to God's will. We visit ic's and give freely as the spirit moves
us. I enjoy the big ceremonial services, and would gladly pay for an
admission ticket as with any large professional stage performance or
concert. However, I ask that an ic does not insult my intellect by referring
to tithing, and suggest that I am robbing God. (I understand Malachi was
talking to the priests, not the laity). In the blessed name of Jesus, Barry
and Malvina AC.
Apostle Keith Williams
Apr 26, 2005, 3:52:49 AM4/26/05
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No, in Malachi, God said the nation of Israel robbed God (3:8-9). Call
on
the name of Christ Jesus and tell him that you will give God ten percent of
your
income and an offering. Tithes and offerings draw favor from God.
on
the name of Christ Jesus and tell him that you will give God ten percent of
your
income and an offering. Tithes and offerings draw favor from God.
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Sue
Apr 26, 2005, 3:52:40 AM4/26/05
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Thank you, Barry, for your response. May God bless you and Malvina as well.
My husband has started teaching a bible study in our home, and those who want to join us are welcome. We are not trying to start a new church, and are not attending an organized church right now. I'm not sure what you mean by "ic."
I asked about "tithing" just as a means of giving. I also do not believe we are mandated by God to give specifically 10%, which is what tithing means, I guess. I do believe that Jesus teaches us to give, and I want to give, and wondered what others do in this regard. Giving has always been an act of worship for me, and that's one of the only things I miss.
Thanks so much for your input.
Sue
>>>> BarryAC<barrym...@caribsurf.com> 4/24/2005 7:39:29 PM >>>
DavidGeorge
Apr 26, 2005, 2:44:22 PM4/26/05
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Do you mean that tithing manipulates God to do things for you? This
takes away from His sovereignty and makes the individual God.
takes away from His sovereignty and makes the individual God.
DavidGeorge
Apr 26, 2005, 2:44:27 PM4/26/05
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You are suggesting that you can manipulate God? You gotta be
kidding.....
kidding.....
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 01:52:49 CST, "Apostle Keith Williams"
<apostlekei...@juno.com> wrote:
DavidGeorge
Apr 26, 2005, 2:44:32 PM4/26/05
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This addresses the nation of Isreal, not an individual. The nation of
Isreal as known by Malachi, no longer exists. That nation was
divorced and destroyed by God in 70AD as a result of her harlotry and
her ultimate rejection of the Savior. This verse, pulled out of its
context, means nothing for us today.
Isreal as known by Malachi, no longer exists. That nation was
divorced and destroyed by God in 70AD as a result of her harlotry and
her ultimate rejection of the Savior. This verse, pulled out of its
context, means nothing for us today.
On Tue, 26 Apr 2005 01:52:49 CST, "Apostle Keith Williams"
<apostlekei...@juno.com> wrote:
BarryAC
Apr 26, 2005, 10:31:09 PM4/26/05
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As I see it, taking the whole book, Malachi spends Chapters 1 & 2
reprimanding the priests for their corruption. When they become righteous,
then the righteous giving of the nation "will be pleasing to Him" (Mal: 3;
3,4). Therefore Malvina and myself do not give to ic's (that is,
institutional or established churches - not, of course, the Church for whom
Jesus shed His blood). If we did a cost analysis of our giving we probably
give more than 10% of our small pensions. We do not think we are miserly, we
do not horde money, we do not have large savings. We pay our taxes even
though we disagree with some government spending - and we vote in the
general elections. We have to live and survive in a corrupt human world, and
the ic's are all part of this corruption. With them we vote with our feet.
It seems absurd to us to hear sincere tithe givers saying "Ah well, we know
our church is only human, and our money will be misused, enabling pastors to
enjoy large salaries, big houses and cars and 1st class travel when they go
on foreign 'missions', but it is our Christian duty to give to the Lord!".
In other words, I agree: Give, yes! But to whom do we give? If we have a
beach picnic, we take extra food for the passing vagrants. We give to
charities, when we visit ic's, anyone collecting on the street or at the
door, as the Spirit moves us, and some of this money will go astray. All we
can do is trust in the Lord and let Him take control of our hearts. Be wise
as a serpent and as slippery as a snake. In the name of Jesus, Barry and
Malvina AC.
reprimanding the priests for their corruption. When they become righteous,
then the righteous giving of the nation "will be pleasing to Him" (Mal: 3;
3,4). Therefore Malvina and myself do not give to ic's (that is,
institutional or established churches - not, of course, the Church for whom
Jesus shed His blood). If we did a cost analysis of our giving we probably
give more than 10% of our small pensions. We do not think we are miserly, we
do not horde money, we do not have large savings. We pay our taxes even
though we disagree with some government spending - and we vote in the
general elections. We have to live and survive in a corrupt human world, and
the ic's are all part of this corruption. With them we vote with our feet.
It seems absurd to us to hear sincere tithe givers saying "Ah well, we know
our church is only human, and our money will be misused, enabling pastors to
enjoy large salaries, big houses and cars and 1st class travel when they go
on foreign 'missions', but it is our Christian duty to give to the Lord!".
In other words, I agree: Give, yes! But to whom do we give? If we have a
beach picnic, we take extra food for the passing vagrants. We give to
charities, when we visit ic's, anyone collecting on the street or at the
door, as the Spirit moves us, and some of this money will go astray. All we
can do is trust in the Lord and let Him take control of our hearts. Be wise
as a serpent and as slippery as a snake. In the name of Jesus, Barry and
Malvina AC.
Sue
Apr 27, 2005, 9:22:39 AM4/27/05
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To whom do we give indeed. I know that there are many ways to give other than with cash. We can give our time and talents too. That is actually a big way that those of you who lead these groups give. It takes a great deal of time to prepare to share bible studies with others, and probably even more in prayer. I see this as giving too. Helping the needy, visiting those in prisons or hospitals, and witnessing to others is giving. Thank you, Barry, for sharing some ways you give.
>>>> BarryAC<barrym...@caribsurf.com> 4/26/2005 10:31:09 PM >>>
Apostle Keith Williams
Apr 28, 2005, 11:29:56 PM4/28/05
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No, God wants us to give to His preachers today: like to the Levites, as
it is
written in Isaiah 66:21. Be encouraged to joyfully try to please God Who
blesses
us who love Him. I'm not letting any excuse come between me and God.
Apostle Keith Williams.
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it is
written in Isaiah 66:21. Be encouraged to joyfully try to please God Who
blesses
us who love Him. I'm not letting any excuse come between me and God.
Apostle Keith Williams.
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DavidGeorge
Apr 29, 2005, 9:18:02 AM4/29/05
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Do you offer the required wave offerings?
Kees Boer
Jul 26, 2005, 10:40:26 PM7/26/05
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If the "preachers" replaced the Levites, does that mean that preachers can't
have other jobs and aren't allowed to receive an inheritance?
have other jobs and aren't allowed to receive an inheritance?
Kees
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